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    DadgeDadge Posts: 2,038
    Agh. Nicky Mor*n on the BBC. Going to have to watch Sky. (Until she goes over to their studio.)
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,961
    TGOHF said:

    Fascinating from Sir Lynton's business partner

    https://twitter.com/TextorMark/status/728361512901877760

    Titter !!
    Just as long as Khan wins London I am not bothered (I have £100 bet on him. I may have mentioned that)
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    Tom said:

    chestnut said:

    It's one thing for Corbyn to lose the WWC vote to UKIP, but if he can't lock in the student/middle class Lib Dem/Green vote, what is the point of him?

    To make a load of wankers feel better about themselves whilst offering worse than nothing to the people they claim to represent.
    Perhaps that could be the new Clause 4.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    TGOHF said:

    Fascinating from Sir Lynton's business partner

    https://twitter.com/TextorMark/status/728361512901877760

    Titter !!
    Time to go balls deep on Zac?
    Bit late for that :)
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @BBCsarahsmith: Scottish Labour tonight saying they thought they had already hit rock bottom but it turns out they may have further to fall yet
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    BBC News
    Alex Salmond

    "There would have to be a second referendum if we are dragged out of Europe against our will"

    Message ends.....
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    Scott_P said:

    @BBCsarahsmith: Scottish Labour tonight saying they thought they had already hit rock bottom but it turns out they may have further to fall yet

    Taxi for Kezia?
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Former Labour MP describes Scottish campaign as "Self immolation for Dummies"
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Taxi for Kezia?

    Bike
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,961

    TGOHF said:

    Fascinating from Sir Lynton's business partner

    https://twitter.com/TextorMark/status/728361512901877760

    Titter !!
    Time to go balls deep on Zac?
    Go on then... :)
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Mortimer said:

    Danny565 said:

    RobD said:



    Your argument is based on the premise that the "cycle" is defined by the general elections. The 2012 elections were probably more influenced by the ominshambles budget, rather than the fact it was a year from the previous election.

    How are you even going to make comparisons in wards where no election took place in 2011?

    That goes against political history, though. Every sitting government almost always gets its best results of an electoral cycle in the first year after a General Election -- the only exception was the 1979-83 cycle, where the Falklands Factor pushed Tories to a better performance in 1982 than they got in 1980.
    You're sounding like Hunchman.

    This electoral cycle rubbish is also pointless because only recently did we regularise the general elections to every 5 years.

    You want to compare to 2011 because comparison to 2012, when the same wards and councils were contested and thus the obvious comparator, is going to make Labour look like a hopeless political party.
    Everything goes in cycles Mortimer!
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    edited May 2016

    TGOHF said:

    Fascinating from Sir Lynton's business partner

    https://twitter.com/TextorMark/status/728361512901877760

    Titter !!
    Time to go balls deep on Zac?
    Given the miracle of last year, I'm giving Betfair punters circa £125 of the profits back tonight by doing exactly that... and cos Montie has been sticking the knife in to Zac tonight. Now that is a contra-indicator.
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    DadgeDadge Posts: 2,038
    Not surprised if turnouts are down. Here in Birmingham there was almost no inkling that any elections were going on. If Ian Kershaw was trying to kill democracy in the city, he seems to have succeeded...
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,572
    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    Fascinating from Sir Lynton's business partner

    https://twitter.com/TextorMark/status/728361512901877760

    Titter !!
    Time to go balls deep on Zac?
    Bit late for that :)
    Thanks to Henry and Tissue Price, I'm on both main candidates at 33/1 and 22/1

    I would like Khan to win, keeps Corbyn in place and gives us a fascinating by election in Tooting.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,530

    The large Cognac in front of me (purely for medicinal purposes) is proving that the frogs still get somethings right.

    I always think it tastes a bit metallic. Nothing beats a nice Scotch.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,572
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    philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    I feel a LibDem surge welling up.

    Voted for them twice today. Haven't done that for 20 years or so.
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Edinburgh Southern 3 way Tory SNP Labour according to Sky. About the only constituency Labour can win in Scotland tonight it seems!
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    General Election @UKGE2020

    Current state of English councillors (0.23am)

    Labour 59 (+4)
    LibDems 6 (-1)
    Cons 4 (0)
    Indy 3 (-3)
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Neil Hamilton has arrived at the count in Llanelli
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    SeanT said:

    MTimT said:

    SeanT said:

    MTimT said:



    Hong Kong is full of young French people these days, all speaking good English. I think the younger generation there is much less Francophone than their elders. They seem much more outward-looking.

    I'd agree. In the 90s, finding a French person speaking English outside of international business, diplomacy or science was hard to do. In this trip to Lille, hardly the cosmopolitan hub of France, I was struck by the fact that almost everyone in the hospitality industry (hotels, restaurants, coffee shops and sanwicheries, spoke English and WANTED to practice it!!! Even the people at the rail station ticket counter and information booth spoke English, I was stunned.
    Also agreed (tho the English spoken down here in the Rhone Valley is still lamentable.

    The French are certainly friendlier and keener to please. They've lost the last of that aloofness, the inbred sense of superiority. Decline has maybe made them nicer. A fine irony.
    At least the regional cheeses are still very French and superb! :)

    Where in the Rhone?
    Yep, the cheeses are still fab. Marvellously diverse.

    I'm in the Beaujolais. And very nice it is, apart from the tucker.
    Lucky you! Have a Fleurie or a Brouilly for me.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,961
    On BBC4 TOTP81 is playing the Birdy song with people dressed as birds
    On BBC2 John McDonnell is expecting steady Labour progress towards 2020
    There is only so much crazy I can take.

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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956
    John McDonnell scares me rigid. His ability to peddle hard left (and frankly farcical) leadership lines in such a believable and, dare I say it, empathic way is far, far better than Corbyn.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,572
    edited May 2016

    TGOHF said:

    Fascinating from Sir Lynton's business partner

    https://twitter.com/TextorMark/status/728361512901877760

    Titter !!
    Time to go balls deep on Zac?
    Given the miracle of last year, I'm giving Betfair punters circa £125 of the profits back tonight by doing exactly that... and cos Montie has been sticking the knife in to Zac tonight. Now that is a contra-indicator.
    If he pulls this off, then Sir Lynton Crosby = Jurgen Klopp
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    If the Tories beat Labour in Scotland tonight then it will just be a return to the 1950's when they outpolled Labour in the 1951, 1955 and 1959 general elections:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Scotland
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    Craig Woodhouse ‏@craigawoodhouse · 9m9 minutes ago

    Craig Woodhouse Retweeted Mike Gapes

    It's complex.

    Craig Woodhouse added,


    Mike Gapes @MikeGapes Labour losing seats in first year of opposition after Tory fiasco of recent weeks is very bad where is Straight talking, honest politics ?

    4 retweets 3 likes
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    edited May 2016

    Nuneaton!!! Oh happy memories

    htps://twitter.com/Samfr/status/728364444267483136

    What a surprise, Middle England not massive Corbyn fans! Shame.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    philiph said:

    I feel a LibDem surge welling up.

    Voted for them twice today. Haven't done that for 20 years or so.

    Who have you switched from?
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Come on Sky, let's get results reported

    BBC actually better so far in getting results out than Sky, obviously someone has been reading PB!
    Just can't make myself watch Sky.. I'm a terrible PB Tory.

    Wish the BBC had added the actual majority on their graphics when they listed the marginal/safe seats in order of majority.
    Turn over for 1981 ToTP on BBC4. Great stuff from OMD.
    Are they playing Enola Gay especially for Labour?
    A more obscure one.

    I love the costumes and hair of the forgotten acts and songs, and the gawky audience. A great window into the past.
    Are they editing all the yewtrees out?

    I happened to watch an episode of Camberwick green with my lad the other night (thanks, Radiohead!).

    He loved it :)

    Is Brian Cant still OK to like, untainted by the disease of the 70s?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    edited May 2016

    TGOHF said:

    Fascinating from Sir Lynton's business partner

    https://twitter.com/TextorMark/status/728361512901877760

    Titter !!
    Time to go balls deep on Zac?
    Given the miracle of last year, I'm giving Betfair punters circa £125 of the profits back tonight by doing exactly that... and cos Montie has been sticking the knife in to Zac tonight. Now that is a contra-indicator.
    If he pulls this of, then Sir Lynton Crosby = Jurgen Klopp
    Hereditary peerage, surely.
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    ArtistArtist Posts: 1,882
    UKIP having a good night seems to be the narrative on the BBC at the moment. Might change when we get some actual results.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,572
    RobD said:

    TGOHF said:

    Fascinating from Sir Lynton's business partner

    https://twitter.com/TextorMark/status/728361512901877760

    Titter !!
    Time to go balls deep on Zac?
    Given the miracle of last year, I'm giving Betfair punters circa £125 of the profits back tonight by doing exactly that... and cos Montie has been sticking the knife in to Zac tonight. Now that is a contra-indicator.
    If he pulls this off, then Sir Lynton Crosby = Jurgen Klopp
    Hereditary peerage, surely.
    Royal Dukedom
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822

    Kevin Alcock @kevina364

    Swing in Bury so far 5.4% Lab-Con against 2012.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    Fascinating from Sir Lynton's business partner

    https://twitter.com/TextorMark/status/728361512901877760

    Titter !!
    Time to go balls deep on Zac?
    Bit late for that :)
    Thanks to Henry and Tissue Price, I'm on both main candidates at 33/1 and 22/1

    I would like Khan to win, keeps Corbyn in place and gives us a fascinating by election in Tooting.
    Meh, my tip isn't even in the money any more. Though pleasingly I have managed to lay Sadiq 50%+ on 1st prefs at under 4/6 today.
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    TomTom Posts: 273

    TGOHF said:

    Fascinating from Sir Lynton's business partner

    https://twitter.com/TextorMark/status/728361512901877760

    Titter !!
    Time to go balls deep on Zac?
    Given the miracle of last year, I'm giving Betfair punters circa £125 of the profits back tonight by doing exactly that... and cos Montie has been sticking the knife in to Zac tonight. Now that is a contra-indicator.
    If he pulls this off, then Sir Lynton Crosby = Jurgen Klopp

    Wasn't aware of any of Crosby's clients finishing 7th
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @gabyhinsliff: Tory MPs must be literally fighting to do election night telly. 'Yes, I think it IS a bad night for Labour, since you mention it...'
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Mortimer said:

    John McDonnell scares me rigid. His ability to peddle hard left (and frankly farcical) leadership lines in such a believable and, dare I say it, empathic way is far, far better than Corbyn.

    Robert Harris quipped earlier that McIRA reminds him of a Met police chief.

    I think he's dangerously plausible.
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    philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704

    philiph said:

    I feel a LibDem surge welling up.

    Voted for them twice today. Haven't done that for 20 years or so.

    Who have you switched from?
    Tory at all (I think) elections since 1997, that was my first Tory vote. From 1971 to 96 a mix of 80% lib / libdem and labour / ind. a couple of times
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,572

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    Fascinating from Sir Lynton's business partner

    https://twitter.com/TextorMark/status/728361512901877760

    Titter !!
    Time to go balls deep on Zac?
    Bit late for that :)
    Thanks to Henry and Tissue Price, I'm on both main candidates at 33/1 and 22/1

    I would like Khan to win, keeps Corbyn in place and gives us a fascinating by election in Tooting.
    Meh, my tip isn't even in the money any more. Though pleasingly I have managed to lay Sadiq 50%+ on 1st prefs at under 4/6 today.
    Well done, just think in a few hours time, there'll markets on the 2020 London Mayoral Election.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,157
    Net change of councillors so far - Lab +4, LD -1, Con 0, UKIP 0, Ind -3
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,530
    philiph said:

    I feel a LibDem surge welling up.

    You have my sympathies - I do hope timely medical intervention can help.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,572
    Tom said:

    TGOHF said:

    Fascinating from Sir Lynton's business partner

    https://twitter.com/TextorMark/status/728361512901877760

    Titter !!
    Time to go balls deep on Zac?
    Given the miracle of last year, I'm giving Betfair punters circa £125 of the profits back tonight by doing exactly that... and cos Montie has been sticking the knife in to Zac tonight. Now that is a contra-indicator.
    If he pulls this off, then Sir Lynton Crosby = Jurgen Klopp

    Wasn't aware of any of Crosby's clients finishing 7th
    Premier League meh.

    Europa League is where it's at.
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    numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,515
    HYUFD said:

    Net change of councillors so far - Lab +4, LD -1, Con 0, UKIP 0, Ind -3

    Labour surge!
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,157
    Mortimer said:

    John McDonnell scares me rigid. His ability to peddle hard left (and frankly farcical) leadership lines in such a believable and, dare I say it, empathic way is far, far better than Corbyn.

    Which is why I think it will be McDonnell, not Corbyn, who leads Labour in 2020
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Alan Roden @AlanRoden

    Labour source: Rutherglen (James Kelly) has gone to SNP by several thousand votes. #SP16
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Changes in Newcastle with all 26 results in:

    Lab -6.7%
    LD -4.9%
    UKIP +13.2%
    Con +1.4%
    Greens +2.1%
    Ind +0.5%
    Others -5.7%
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,157
    Conservatives hold Havant
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,961
    Adam and the Ants!
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Mortimer said:

    John McDonnell scares me rigid. His ability to peddle hard left (and frankly farcical) leadership lines in such a believable and, dare I say it, empathic way is far, far better than Corbyn.

    Now I have to disagree from a Labour-pessimist POV!

    Corbyn atleast comes across as a nice enough guy, McDonnell comes across as quite slippery and unpleasant. Not to mention his ties to terrorists are deeper than Corbyn's ties (and certainly much more than the laughable claims of Sadiq Khan's "links").
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    TomTom Posts: 273
    HYUFD said:

    Mortimer said:

    John McDonnell scares me rigid. His ability to peddle hard left (and frankly farcical) leadership lines in such a believable and, dare I say it, empathic way is far, far better than Corbyn.

    Which is why I think it will be McDonnell, not Corbyn, who leads Labour in 2020
    Issue with McDonnell is he completely lacks judgement and is very easy to wind up - little red book incident not an aberration.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Perhaps Cameron knew exactly what he was doing when he savaged Corbyn this week.

    I was going to bed, but this is to delicious to miss.
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059

    Tom said:

    TGOHF said:

    Fascinating from Sir Lynton's business partner

    https://twitter.com/TextorMark/status/728361512901877760

    Titter !!
    Time to go balls deep on Zac?
    Given the miracle of last year, I'm giving Betfair punters circa £125 of the profits back tonight by doing exactly that... and cos Montie has been sticking the knife in to Zac tonight. Now that is a contra-indicator.
    If he pulls this off, then Sir Lynton Crosby = Jurgen Klopp

    Wasn't aware of any of Crosby's clients finishing 7th
    Premier League meh.

    Europa League is where it's at.
    for man u fans it'll be something to do on Thursdays.... nice for them to see Europe finally...
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    If he ends up a bit short the heavy Jewish area that couldn't vote is going to be a total clusterfuck...
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,157
    Labour hold Wolverhampton
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Newcastle

    Lab +2
    LD -2
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    Floater said:

    Perhaps Cameron knew exactly what he was doing when he savaged Corbyn this week.

    I was going to bed, but this is to delicious to miss.

    Feel free to head to bed! Mayoral count isn't until tomorrow unfortunately (someone please correct me if I'm wrong)
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956
    HYUFD said:

    Mortimer said:

    John McDonnell scares me rigid. His ability to peddle hard left (and frankly farcical) leadership lines in such a believable and, dare I say it, empathic way is far, far better than Corbyn.

    Which is why I think it will be McDonnell, not Corbyn, who leads Labour in 2020
    Blairites won't stand for that.

    Would trigger SDP Mk II.

    Only reason that Corbyn is still in place is because of his incompetence.
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    philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    AndyJS said:

    Changes in Newcastle with all 26 results in:

    Lab -6.7%
    LD -4.9%
    UKIP +13.2%
    Con +1.4%
    Greens +2.1%
    Ind +0.5%
    Others -5.7%

    Not good for parties with the L at the start of their name.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JamieRoss7: It's "squeaky bum time" for the SNP in Edinburgh Central, says source. Lots of Green constituency votes which they didn't expect.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    philiph said:

    I feel a LibDem surge welling up.

    Voted for them twice today. Haven't done that for 20 years or so.

    I was going to give all 3 of my votes to Lib Dems - I got in the booth and gave 2 to the blues - sorry Lib Dems!
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489
    Mortimer said:

    John McDonnell scares me rigid. His ability to peddle hard left (and frankly farcical) leadership lines in such a believable and, dare I say it, empathic way is far, far better than Corbyn.

    Fully agree, lets just hope he does not make it to the top spot.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited May 2016
    Is this surprising ?

    Alan Roden

    Tory source: Affluent areas of Edinburgh currently have Tories on nearly double the Labour vote. #sp16
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    FattyBolgerFattyBolger Posts: 299
    Nicky Morgan is rubbish
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    nice touch McDonnell having a little chair next to nicky morgan so she's the david owen to his david steel
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956
    Danny565 said:

    Mortimer said:

    John McDonnell scares me rigid. His ability to peddle hard left (and frankly farcical) leadership lines in such a believable and, dare I say it, empathic way is far, far better than Corbyn.

    Now I have to disagree from a Labour-pessimist POV!

    Corbyn atleast comes across as a nice enough guy, McDonnell comes across as quite slippery and unpleasant. Not to mention his ties to terrorists are deeper than Corbyn's ties (and certainly much more than the laughable claims of Sadiq Khan's "links").
    One day we'll find something we agree on.

    I'm glad you find him slippery though!
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,374
    Scott_P said:

    @JamieRoss7: It's "squeaky bum time" for the SNP in Edinburgh Central, says source. Lots of Green constituency votes which they didn't expect.

    Did they stand in the constituency? I thought they were only on the lists?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,157
    London LDs believe Sadiq Khan has won the Mayoralty
    https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/728368463870332929
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956
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    FattyBolgerFattyBolger Posts: 299
    McDonnell is frightening
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,374
    edited May 2016
    Conservatives hold Broxbourne. Sorry Nick.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Labour have gained a seat from Conservatives in Weymouth and Portland Melcombe Regis ward
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    AndyJS said:

    Changes in Newcastle with all 26 results in:

    Lab -6.7%
    LD -4.9%
    UKIP +13.2%
    Con +1.4%
    Greens +2.1%
    Ind +0.5%
    Others -5.7%

    But from when? On their own those figures mean little!
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Tories hold Broxbourne - yawn
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2016
    justin124 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Changes in Newcastle with all 26 results in:

    Lab -6.7%
    LD -4.9%
    UKIP +13.2%
    Con +1.4%
    Greens +2.1%
    Ind +0.5%
    Others -5.7%

    But from when? On their own those figures mean little!
    From 2012 of course. Every news agency is using that comparison.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,157
    SeanT said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mortimer said:

    John McDonnell scares me rigid. His ability to peddle hard left (and frankly farcical) leadership lines in such a believable and, dare I say it, empathic way is far, far better than Corbyn.

    Which is why I think it will be McDonnell, not Corbyn, who leads Labour in 2020
    I'm not sure the new Labour membership will vote en masse for McDonnell, tho. He hasn't got that "authentic" feel that Corbyn offers, the vest and megaphone shtick which made Jezbollah so popular.

    Despite being arguably even further Left, McDonnell seems "smoother", polished, more Blairy. This will put off many.



    Indeed but if Corbyn is assassinated McDonnell is the closest the membership can get to him and as you say he is more competent than Jezza, he could be Michael Howard to Corbyn's IDS
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    philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    Floater said:

    philiph said:

    I feel a LibDem surge welling up.

    Voted for them twice today. Haven't done that for 20 years or so.

    I was going to give all 3 of my votes to Lib Dems - I got in the booth and gave 2 to the blues - sorry Lib Dems!
    Are you a sentimental romantic without the courage of you convictions?

    Or maybe you are more sensible than me!
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JournoStephen: Scottish Labour is in open warfare as @IanMurrayMP accuses @Thomas_Docherty of "briefing against everyone" in Labour live on @STVNews.
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    DavidL said:

    Conservatives hold Broxbourne. Sorry Nick.

    mighty Hertfordshire blue stronghold, we don't like the red army in those parts... I think you confuse it with the stow.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Sunderland changes with all 25 results in, compared to 2012:

    Lab -7.4%
    Con +1.3%
    UKIP +6.3%
    LD +1.4%
    Greens +1.6%
    Ind -4.0%
    Others +0.8%
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    What sort of swing Lab/Con is needed to give Zac the job? We look to be in the ballpark using my guessing stick.

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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    DavidL said:

    Conservatives hold Broxbourne. Sorry Nick.

    Nick was Broxtowe was he not?
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596

    DavidL said:

    Conservatives hold Broxbourne. Sorry Nick.

    we don't like the red army in those parts....
    they had a fine choir
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    philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    edited May 2016
    DavidL said:

    Conservatives hold Broxbourne. Sorry Nick.

    bournre = herts
    stowe = notts (xmpnp patch)

    Edit God, I was slow!
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    Danny565 said:

    Mortimer said:

    John McDonnell scares me rigid. His ability to peddle hard left (and frankly farcical) leadership lines in such a believable and, dare I say it, empathic way is far, far better than Corbyn.

    Now I have to disagree from a Labour-pessimist POV!

    Corbyn atleast comes across as a nice enough guy, McDonnell comes across as quite slippery and unpleasant. Not to mention his ties to terrorists are deeper than Corbyn's ties (and certainly much more than the laughable claims of Sadiq Khan's "links").
    Corbyn also comes across as ineffectual though, which I think is his biggest problem of all (there's some competition, admittedly). McDonnell doesn't have the same hapless air about him.

    I think the more electable Conservative leaders (eg Cameron, May, even Boris) would easily beat a McDonnell-led Lab. Not sure about Gove.
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Iain Gray on BBC parliament from Haddington lol. You'd think after the pasting he took from Salmond all those years ago, he would have gracefully retired from the scene!
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,144
    Scott_P said:

    @BBCsarahsmith: Labour seem pretty sure they have lost every Glasgow constituency seat and fear a very bad night across Scotland.

    If Labour have lost every seat in Glasgow - GLASGOW FFS!!!- then let me stop you right there. Labour have ALREADY had a very bad night, whatever else happens.

    That's like the Republicans losing Utah. It's just explody-head stuff.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024

    What sort of swing Lab/Con is needed to give Zac the job? We look to be in the ballpark using my guessing stick.

    London is not Nuneaton!
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,157
    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mortimer said:

    John McDonnell scares me rigid. His ability to peddle hard left (and frankly farcical) leadership lines in such a believable and, dare I say it, empathic way is far, far better than Corbyn.

    Which is why I think it will be McDonnell, not Corbyn, who leads Labour in 2020
    Blairites won't stand for that.

    Would trigger SDP Mk II.

    Only reason that Corbyn is still in place is because of his incompetence.
    Where is the SDP Mk II going to win under FPTP, Blairites will not even be able to do a deal with Farron's LDs. They will have to grit their teeth and wait for Chuka in 2020
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    justin124 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Changes in Newcastle with all 26 results in:

    Lab -6.7%
    LD -4.9%
    UKIP +13.2%
    Con +1.4%
    Greens +2.1%
    Ind +0.5%
    Others -5.7%

    But from when? On their own those figures mean little!
    From 2012 when UKIP had no candidates at all in Newcastle
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591

    Scott_P said:

    @BBCsarahsmith: Labour seem pretty sure they have lost every Glasgow constituency seat and fear a very bad night across Scotland.

    If Labour have lost every seat in Glasgow - GLASGOW FFS!!!- then let me stop you right there. Labour have ALREADY had a very bad night, whatever else happens.

    That's like the Republicans losing Utah. It's just explody-head stuff.
    Hardly unexpected after the Labour wipeout there last year!

    Orkney declaration.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,961

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    Fascinating from Sir Lynton's business partner

    https://twitter.com/TextorMark/status/728361512901877760

    Titter !!
    Time to go balls deep on Zac?
    Bit late for that :)
    Thanks to Henry and Tissue Price, I'm on both main candidates at 33/1 and 22/1

    I would like Khan to win, keeps Corbyn in place and gives us a fascinating by election in Tooting.
    Meh, my tip isn't even in the money any more. Though pleasingly I have managed to lay Sadiq 50%+ on 1st prefs at under 4/6 today.
    As of five minutes on betfair the "lay" figures for Khan were:

    216.06 £3601@1.04
    125.00 £2500@1.05
    150.00 £2500@1.06

    So if you bet 491.06 and Zac wins you'd get £8601. Still time if anybody's willing...
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    Nicky Morgan is rubbish

    Yes.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @wallaceme: John Mann on Sky: "We were all told Jeremy was going to be bringing these 5 million voters who haven't voted before...that hasn't happened."
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Orkney comfortable LD hold - Labour vote 304 instead of 3004!
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,314
    What will tonight's results mean re accuracy of current opinion polls?

    OK, you could say locals are different to a GE.

    But if Lab has underperformed polls then it may imply pollsters changes to methodologies haven't done the trick.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited May 2016
    Bbc got the labour spin press release ...difficult with new leader to make inroads yadda yadda yadda.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822

    Nicky Morgan is rubbish

    Dreadful staring eyes. Do try to stick around - always read your posts.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    justin124 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Changes in Newcastle with all 26 results in:

    Lab -6.7%
    LD -4.9%
    UKIP +13.2%
    Con +1.4%
    Greens +2.1%
    Ind +0.5%
    Others -5.7%

    But from when? On their own those figures mean little!
    From 2012 when UKIP had no candidates at all in Newcastle
    Thanks - good to have someone who understands psephology!
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