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edited August 26 in General
imageThe Ayrshire hotelier is running scared – politicalbetting.com

Donald Trump backs out of a previously scheduled presidential debate on ABC after Kamala Harris replaces Joe Biden on the Democratic ticket. Now he says he’ll agree to debate Harris if it’s hosted by Fox News in a “full arena audience.” pic.twitter.com/6ASMDhkHh0

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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,505
    It appears there has been an incident at the protest in Stoke.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,972
    edited August 3
    1st like Trump.
    2nd like Harris?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    Béziers, twinned with Wick



  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,505
    edited August 3
    Leon said:

    Béziers, twinned with Wick



    Are you relocating permanently to France? You seem to be getting your 90 in 180 days in...
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,012
    Sandpit said:

    1st like Trump.
    2nd like Harris?

    It's honestly worth playing with this map:https://www.realclearpolling.com/maps/president/2024/cyom/electoral-college

    Harris gets Penn and Wisconsin, she wins. And I think it is increasingly likely that she will get both.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,114
    Leon said:

    Béziers, twinned with Wick



    Lovely part of France.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,956
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    It appears there has been an incident at the protest in Stoke.

    Have the rioters caused thousands of pounds of improvement to Stoke?

    It is interesting to note that the fella with the swastika tattoo last night in Sunderland is from Stoke.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,505
    edited August 3
    Looking at trending on twitter i can feel the classic russian tactics in play, boostering of both sides to farm outrage.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,330
    Leon said:

    Béziers, twinned with Wick



    One can see why, the poor French have no single malt distillery.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,505
    edited August 3
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    It appears there has been an incident at the protest in Stoke.

    Have the rioters caused thousands of pounds of improvement to Stoke?

    It is interesting to note that the fella with the swastika tattoo last night in Sunderland is from Stoke.
    Interestingly the levelling up fund gave a massive amount to a redevelopment of Hanley and its still a massive building site with bugger all been completed.

    I am not surprised a proper Nazi comes from Stoke, remember BNP at one point had a load of councillors there, basically by getting local candidates and convince people they weren't bad people.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,956
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Looking at trending on twitter i can feel the classic russian tactics in play, boostering of both sides to farm outrage.

    My friends in Manchester say they anti-racism rally is massively outnumbering the fascists in Piccadilly Gardens.

    Mostly insults being thrown.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,114
    Leon said:

    Béziers, twinned with Wick



    Saint-Guilhem-le-Désert is well worth a visit. Not far from you now.
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    edited August 3
    Now safely on the train again in rural Hertfordshire (actually was rural Middlesex), had a very nice Lebanese meal washed down with Beirut Beer (it really exists) then inspected a model village called London from the top of the Shard (which cost more than lunch).

    At and around London Bridge Station were large amounts of males chanting "We are Millwall, no one likes us, we don't care" , so the Borough area might best be avoided.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    edited August 3
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Leon said:

    Béziers, twinned with Wick



    Are you relocating permanently to France? You seem to be getting your 90 in 180 days in...
    An unexpected sequence of events got joined together. Friend offered his lovely house in Provence for a week for me to finish a flint. Then my older daughter said she fancied a French road trip and flew out for ten days, and we went all over, then I got some gazette commissions (like the hotel last night and now Béziers and others)

    So a week has turned into a month and it’s been a BLAST. France is so beautiful
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    Prtiti Patel asks for parliament to be recalled.

    https://x.com/pritipatel/status/1819607591518892279
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,114
    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    1st like Trump.
    2nd like Harris?

    It's honestly worth playing with this map:https://www.realclearpolling.com/maps/president/2024/cyom/electoral-college

    Harris gets Penn and Wisconsin, she wins. And I think it is increasingly likely that she will get both.
    If she can hold NM.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,956
    edited August 3
    BIB - Shocked.

    While foreign agitators and far-right leaders leapt upon false claims the Southport attack suspect was an immigrant who had arrived in a small boat, the allegations can be traced to social media accounts closer to home.

    The woman accused of being first to post a false Muslim name for the suspect is the managing director of a clothing company. The mother of three in her mid-fifties enjoys walking, is married to an artist and counts an actor among her children. The family live in a £1.5 million farmhouse in the rural north.

    She posted on Twitter/X that “Ali Al-Shakati” was the suspect, he was an “asylum seeker who came to the UK by boat last year” and was on an “MI6 watch list”.

    “If this is true, then all hell is about to break loose”, she wrote. The false information sped around the internet and played a part in prompting the anti-immigration riot in Southport the following evening. An hour after it was published, at 4.49pm on Monday, she deleted the post.

    The woman, who The Times is not naming, is a prominent campaigner against lockdowns and net-zero climate schemes. She had tens of thousands of followers before she deleted her account....

    ...Logically, a British tech company that reports on misinformation, said that her post was the first to contain the name. Her comment, the company said, went online 61 minutes before the Russian-linked Channel 3 Now website published an article which went viral online and was repeated on RT, the Russian broadcaster.

    “The name is amplified by Channel 3 Now,” Marc Jones, a disinformation expert, said. “It’s a fake news site … and they got loads of retweets.” Channel 3 Now later removed the article and apologised.

    The false claims were jumped upon by Tommy Robinson, the far-right activist, and Andrew Tate, a right-wing influencer with nine million followers on Twitter/X.

    The woman denied being the first to post the name, saying that she copied it from a fellow lockdown sceptic’s account and that Twitter/X’s time and date stamps could not be trusted.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/mother-of-three-sparked-havoc-with-false-claim-about-southport-suspect-bd6kkzgpn
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,114
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    BIB - Shocked.

    While foreign agitators and far-right leaders leapt upon false claims the Southport attack suspect was an immigrant who had arrived in a small boat, the allegations can be traced to social media accounts closer to home.

    The woman accused of being first to post a false Muslim name for the suspect is the managing director of a clothing company. The mother of three in her mid-fifties enjoys walking, is married to an artist and counts an actor among her children. The family live in a £1.5 million farmhouse in the rural north.

    She posted on Twitter/X that “Ali Al-Shakati” was the suspect, he was an “asylum seeker who came to the UK by boat last year” and was on an “MI6 watch list”.

    “If this is true, then all hell is about to break loose”, she wrote. The false information sped around the internet and played a part in prompting the anti-immigration riot in Southport the following evening. An hour after it was published, at 4.49pm on Monday, she deleted the post.

    The woman, who The Times is not naming, is a prominent campaigner against lockdowns and net-zero climate schemes. She had tens of thousands of followers before she deleted her account....

    ...Logically, a British tech company that reports on misinformation, said that her post was the first to contain the name. Her comment, the company said, went online 61 minutes before the Russian-linked Channel 3 Now website published an article which went viral online and was repeated on RT, the Russian broadcaster.

    “The name is amplified by Channel 3 Now,” Marc Jones, a disinformation expert, said. “It’s a fake news site … and they got loads of retweets.” Channel 3 Now later removed the article and apologised.

    The false claims were jumped upon by Tommy Robinson, the far-right activist, and Andrew Tate, a right-wing influencer with nine million followers on Twitter/X.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/mother-of-three-sparked-havoc-with-false-claim-about-southport-suspect-bd6kkzgpn

    Why are they not naming the person?

    You can find the name in seconds.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,880
    Thanks for the header :smile: , but not for the dethreading.

    In revenge, I'm going OT.

    FPT:
    Malmesbury said:

    tlg86 said:

    Malmesbury said:

    tlg86 said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Oh dear...

    "The BBC has removed a 2018 Children in Need campaign video from its websites after it emerged it featured the Southport stabbing suspect."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ced3dxeplp9o

    Obviously not been convicted, but what the hell has happened in the intervening years? The line about autism and unwillingness to leave the house or communicate with his family is completely different to what is seen in that trailer.
    There is a noted and known phenomenon of mid/late teens developing a combination of anxiety combined with ADHD and/autism. This leads to some quite bright and apparently happy children turning inwards and self isolating. Known a couple of examples among parents I know. As in refusing to leave their room for anything. Or talk to anyone.

    If the schools aren’t very supportive, this ends up with exclusion for non-attendance and the spiral gets worse.
    There was a guy I went to school with who, on first encountering him in Year 7, was a bit intimidating because he seemed so advanced with his maths and English. Five years later and his GCSEs were nothing special and he was a bit rebellious by 16. My guess is his parents pushed him hard at junior school and it burnt him out. But, that's nothing compared with what you're describing.
    Yup - that sounds like teenagers being teenagers.

    The kids who go through this describe being full of anger and fear. Both are almost without target - they feel inadequate and quite self loathing, but it is far more than that.

    The school my youngest goes to (private) is trying all the staff to deal with a wave of socialisation problems like this. Usually goes undiagnosed in most state schools - apart from excluding the children if they get really bad.
    Yes. There's a lot in this. It's about growing up, hormones and the rest, and also medical conditions and social conditions / conditioning.

    In addition to Aristotle's “Give me a child until he is 7 and I will show you the man.” and the Jesuit (and anybody else's) similar statements, the same goes for the ages 15 through the end of University - when we are all finding our attitudes for the first time.

    Which is why everybody from mainstream political parties and religions and any other groups, through the edgy (Hunt Sabs, fringe religions or religious sects) and over the edge (SWP, Al-Muhajiroun, far right groups etc) all aim for University age, with the aim of getting disciples and making them into committed members. At the edge cult-recruitment techniques apply.

    Most grow up, ask questions, and get a perspective and a balance. Some do not.

    Later life converts to whatever can be similar, especially if the recruiters seek to manipulate via social isolation etc.

    Turning someone into a killer by age 17 is probably unusual, if this is what happened here.

    A very perceptive comment I heard back in 1991 from a now-retired Church of England bishop called Graham Cray, who's lens into youth culture was via his interest in rock music, was that recruits at 15-18 were likely to be driven by fashion, and the "things that make teenagers, teenagers", and so may not last.

    So that for understanding developing culture in order to relate to it (for him as an open evangelical Christian trying to discern how to do mission in a changing culture) it was wiser to work with young adults aged 18-30, who were in a position to make mature decisions and evaluate whether a particular weltanschauung ("philosophy of life") was for them. He thought it was a better age group for understanding how the country would change.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,114
    edited August 3
    Andy_JS said:

    Prtiti Patel asks for parliament to be recalled.

    https://x.com/pritipatel/status/1819607591518892279

    Oh god please, no.

    Three day debate of grandstanding and windbaggery interspersed by wild rants from Reform MPs?

    No thanks. Keep them on holiday.
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    It appears there has been an incident at the protest in Stoke.

    Appears that two white youths have been stabbed and allegedly others attacked with axes and hammers.

    If you want to know more see Twix for a less cautious summary.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,330
    edited August 3
    MisterBedfordshire said:

    Now safely on the train again in rural Hertfordshire (actually was rural Middlesex), had a very nice Lebanese meal washed down with Beirut Beer (it really exists) then inspected a model village called London from the top of the Shard (which cost more than lunch).

    At and around London Bridge Station were large amounts of males chanting "We are Millwall, no one likes us, we don't care" , so the Borough area might best be avoided.

    Amazing how that station next to the rail bridge has been developed with a floral hat. Is that Cannon Street, and are those two towers the originals? I dimly remember a bombed-out and still roofless hulk in the 1980s.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,956
    rottenborough said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    BIB - Shocked.

    While foreign agitators and far-right leaders leapt upon false claims the Southport attack suspect was an immigrant who had arrived in a small boat, the allegations can be traced to social media accounts closer to home.

    The woman accused of being first to post a false Muslim name for the suspect is the managing director of a clothing company. The mother of three in her mid-fifties enjoys walking, is married to an artist and counts an actor among her children. The family live in a £1.5 million farmhouse in the rural north.

    She posted on Twitter/X that “Ali Al-Shakati” was the suspect, he was an “asylum seeker who came to the UK by boat last year” and was on an “MI6 watch list”.

    “If this is true, then all hell is about to break loose”, she wrote. The false information sped around the internet and played a part in prompting the anti-immigration riot in Southport the following evening. An hour after it was published, at 4.49pm on Monday, she deleted the post.

    The woman, who The Times is not naming, is a prominent campaigner against lockdowns and net-zero climate schemes. She had tens of thousands of followers before she deleted her account....

    ...Logically, a British tech company that reports on misinformation, said that her post was the first to contain the name. Her comment, the company said, went online 61 minutes before the Russian-linked Channel 3 Now website published an article which went viral online and was repeated on RT, the Russian broadcaster.

    “The name is amplified by Channel 3 Now,” Marc Jones, a disinformation expert, said. “It’s a fake news site … and they got loads of retweets.” Channel 3 Now later removed the article and apologised.

    The false claims were jumped upon by Tommy Robinson, the far-right activist, and Andrew Tate, a right-wing influencer with nine million followers on Twitter/X.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/mother-of-three-sparked-havoc-with-false-claim-about-southport-suspect-bd6kkzgpn

    Why are they not naming the person?

    You can find the name in seconds.
    I think they are playing it safe.

    You really don't want to get sued and/or have the rozzers on your back.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,399
    rottenborough said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    BIB - Shocked.

    While foreign agitators and far-right leaders leapt upon false claims the Southport attack suspect was an immigrant who had arrived in a small boat, the allegations can be traced to social media accounts closer to home.

    The woman accused of being first to post a false Muslim name for the suspect is the managing director of a clothing company. The mother of three in her mid-fifties enjoys walking, is married to an artist and counts an actor among her children. The family live in a £1.5 million farmhouse in the rural north.

    She posted on Twitter/X that “Ali Al-Shakati” was the suspect, he was an “asylum seeker who came to the UK by boat last year” and was on an “MI6 watch list”.

    “If this is true, then all hell is about to break loose”, she wrote. The false information sped around the internet and played a part in prompting the anti-immigration riot in Southport the following evening. An hour after it was published, at 4.49pm on Monday, she deleted the post.

    The woman, who The Times is not naming, is a prominent campaigner against lockdowns and net-zero climate schemes. She had tens of thousands of followers before she deleted her account....

    ...Logically, a British tech company that reports on misinformation, said that her post was the first to contain the name. Her comment, the company said, went online 61 minutes before the Russian-linked Channel 3 Now website published an article which went viral online and was repeated on RT, the Russian broadcaster.

    “The name is amplified by Channel 3 Now,” Marc Jones, a disinformation expert, said. “It’s a fake news site … and they got loads of retweets.” Channel 3 Now later removed the article and apologised.

    The false claims were jumped upon by Tommy Robinson, the far-right activist, and Andrew Tate, a right-wing influencer with nine million followers on Twitter/X.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/mother-of-three-sparked-havoc-with-false-claim-about-southport-suspect-bd6kkzgpn

    Why are they not naming the person?

    You can find the name in seconds.
    Ironically, that is what they said about the Southport (some say Stockport) stabber, and look where that ended, or, erm, started.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,505
    edited August 3
    Question....as the likes of the Times are checking this retrospectively, how do they know this individual is ground zero? They don't have access to twitter logs and so other earlier tweets might have claimed this then deleted the tweet... particularly if you are a bad faith actor, you get the rumour going then memory hole all those tweets.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,114
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    rottenborough said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    BIB - Shocked.

    While foreign agitators and far-right leaders leapt upon false claims the Southport attack suspect was an immigrant who had arrived in a small boat, the allegations can be traced to social media accounts closer to home.

    The woman accused of being first to post a false Muslim name for the suspect is the managing director of a clothing company. The mother of three in her mid-fifties enjoys walking, is married to an artist and counts an actor among her children. The family live in a £1.5 million farmhouse in the rural north.

    She posted on Twitter/X that “Ali Al-Shakati” was the suspect, he was an “asylum seeker who came to the UK by boat last year” and was on an “MI6 watch list”.

    “If this is true, then all hell is about to break loose”, she wrote. The false information sped around the internet and played a part in prompting the anti-immigration riot in Southport the following evening. An hour after it was published, at 4.49pm on Monday, she deleted the post.

    The woman, who The Times is not naming, is a prominent campaigner against lockdowns and net-zero climate schemes. She had tens of thousands of followers before she deleted her account....

    ...Logically, a British tech company that reports on misinformation, said that her post was the first to contain the name. Her comment, the company said, went online 61 minutes before the Russian-linked Channel 3 Now website published an article which went viral online and was repeated on RT, the Russian broadcaster.

    “The name is amplified by Channel 3 Now,” Marc Jones, a disinformation expert, said. “It’s a fake news site … and they got loads of retweets.” Channel 3 Now later removed the article and apologised.

    The false claims were jumped upon by Tommy Robinson, the far-right activist, and Andrew Tate, a right-wing influencer with nine million followers on Twitter/X.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/mother-of-three-sparked-havoc-with-false-claim-about-southport-suspect-bd6kkzgpn

    Why are they not naming the person?

    You can find the name in seconds.
    I think they are playing it safe.

    You really don't want to get sued and/or have the rozzers on your back.
    Don't worry, I'm not putting the name on here.

  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,471
    Andy_JS said:

    Prtiti Patel asks for parliament to be recalled.

    https://x.com/pritipatel/status/1819607591518892279

    AKA Priti Patel seeks to raise the profile of her dwindling leadership campaign.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,505
    edited August 3
    MisterBedfordshire said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    It appears there has been an incident at the protest in Stoke.

    Appears that two white youths have been stabbed and allegedly others attacked with axes and hammers.

    If you want to know more see Twix for a less cautious summary.
    There are differing accounts, and not from trustyworthy sources, hence why i said incident.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    BIB - Shocked.

    While foreign agitators and far-right leaders leapt upon false claims the Southport attack suspect was an immigrant who had arrived in a small boat, the allegations can be traced to social media accounts closer to home.

    The woman accused of being first to post a false Muslim name for the suspect is the managing director of a clothing company. The mother of three in her mid-fifties enjoys walking, is married to an artist and counts an actor among her children. The family live in a £1.5 million farmhouse in the rural north.

    She posted on Twitter/X that “Ali Al-Shakati” was the suspect, he was an “asylum seeker who came to the UK by boat last year” and was on an “MI6 watch list”.

    “If this is true, then all hell is about to break loose”, she wrote. The false information sped around the internet and played a part in prompting the anti-immigration riot in Southport the following evening. An hour after it was published, at 4.49pm on Monday, she deleted the post.

    The woman, who The Times is not naming, is a prominent campaigner against lockdowns and net-zero climate schemes. She had tens of thousands of followers before she deleted her account....

    ...Logically, a British tech company that reports on misinformation, said that her post was the first to contain the name. Her comment, the company said, went online 61 minutes before the Russian-linked Channel 3 Now website published an article which went viral online and was repeated on RT, the Russian broadcaster.

    “The name is amplified by Channel 3 Now,” Marc Jones, a disinformation expert, said. “It’s a fake news site … and they got loads of retweets.” Channel 3 Now later removed the article and apologised.

    The false claims were jumped upon by Tommy Robinson, the far-right activist, and Andrew Tate, a right-wing influencer with nine million followers on Twitter/X.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/mother-of-three-sparked-havoc-with-false-claim-about-southport-suspect-bd6kkzgpn

    It’s obvious and ghastly russian misinformation

    On the other hand there were people doing real detective work - who dug up eye witness accounts (none of the MSM would touch them) which turned out to be accurate in their descriptions. And one or two online sleuths found the villain’s real name and published it on TwiX

    That’s probably illegal and wrong but it’s better than the inflammatory bullshit pushed by the Russians

    At the same time all the online info relating to the villain’s family - eg his father’s records at companies house - all disappeared in the 48 hours after the crime (and before his ID was released to the media)

    Somebody was busy. Possibly the family themselves?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,114
    Hitler lovers completely outnumbered by anti-racism campaigners in Nottingham city.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,012
    rottenborough said:

    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    1st like Trump.
    2nd like Harris?

    It's honestly worth playing with this map:https://www.realclearpolling.com/maps/president/2024/cyom/electoral-college

    Harris gets Penn and Wisconsin, she wins. And I think it is increasingly likely that she will get both.
    If she can hold NM.
    Biden was 7-8 percentage points up there and with Harris doing better with Latinos and blacks it is likely she will be doing even better. No one has bothered to poll the state for a while. Virginia is more of a risk than NM.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082
    edited August 3
    MattW said:

    Thanks for the header :smile: , but not for the dethreading.

    In revenge, I'm going OT.

    FPT:

    Malmesbury said:

    tlg86 said:

    Malmesbury said:

    tlg86 said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Oh dear...

    "The BBC has removed a 2018 Children in Need campaign video from its websites after it emerged it featured the Southport stabbing suspect."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ced3dxeplp9o

    Obviously not been convicted, but what the hell has happened in the intervening years? The line about autism and unwillingness to leave the house or communicate with his family is completely different to what is seen in that trailer.
    There is a noted and known phenomenon of mid/late teens developing a combination of anxiety combined with ADHD and/autism. This leads to some quite bright and apparently happy children turning inwards and self isolating. Known a couple of examples among parents I know. As in refusing to leave their room for anything. Or talk to anyone.

    If the schools aren’t very supportive, this ends up with exclusion for non-attendance and the spiral gets worse.
    There was a guy I went to school with who, on first encountering him in Year 7, was a bit intimidating because he seemed so advanced with his maths and English. Five years later and his GCSEs were nothing special and he was a bit rebellious by 16. My guess is his parents pushed him hard at junior school and it burnt him out. But, that's nothing compared with what you're describing.
    Yup - that sounds like teenagers being teenagers.

    The kids who go through this describe being full of anger and fear. Both are almost without target - they feel inadequate and quite self loathing, but it is far more than that.

    The school my youngest goes to (private) is trying all the staff to deal with a wave of socialisation problems like this. Usually goes undiagnosed in most state schools - apart from excluding the children if they get really bad.
    Yes. There's a lot in this. It's about growing up, hormones and the rest, and also medical conditions and social conditions / conditioning.

    In addition to Aristotle's “Give me a child until he is 7 and I will show you the man.” and the Jesuit (and anybody else's) similar statements, the same goes for the ages 15 through the end of University - when we are all finding our attitudes for the first time.

    Which is why everybody from mainstream political parties and religions and any other groups, through the edgy (Hunt Sabs, fringe religions or religious sects) and over the edge (SWP, Al-Muhajiroun, far right groups etc) all aim for University age, with the aim of getting disciples and making them into committed members. At the edge cult-recruitment techniques apply.

    Most grow up, ask questions, and get a perspective and a balance. Some do not.

    Later life converts to whatever can be similar, especially if the recruiters seek to manipulate via social isolation etc.

    Turning someone into a killer by age 17 is probably unusual, if this is what happened here.

    A very perceptive comment I heard back in 1991 from a now-retired Church of England bishop called Graham Cray, who's lens into youth culture was via his interest in rock music, was that recruits at 15-18 were likely to be driven by fashion, and the "things that make teenagers, teenagers", and so may not last.

    So that for understanding developing culture in order to relate to it (for him as an open evangelical Christian trying to discern how to do mission in a changing culture) it was wiser to work with young adults aged 18-30, who were in a position to make mature decisions and evaluate whether a particular weltanschauung ("philosophy of life") was for them. He thought it was a better age group for understanding how the country would change.
    Yes. But I don’t think this was recruitment. If it was as described.

    I can also see, having seen an example of this personally, what would have happened if the withdrawal was met with forcible attempts at getting the kid out of his room.

    Think traditional (1950s UK style) thinking - “he needed to be forced out of it”.

    The rage and anger and fear would have become a maelstrom.

    I hope I am wrong. But it fits.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    MisterBedfordshire said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    It appears there has been an incident at the protest in Stoke.

    Appears that two white youths have been stabbed and allegedly others attacked with axes and hammers.

    If you want to know more see Twix for a less cautious summary.
    wtf?

    Remember when I was derided for predicting civil disorder and maybe even race war?

    We are going to a very very very dark place. We are right on the abyss. I hope this news report is completely wrong
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    Leon said:

    MisterBedfordshire said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    It appears there has been an incident at the protest in Stoke.

    Appears that two white youths have been stabbed and allegedly others attacked with axes and hammers.

    If you want to know more see Twix for a less cautious summary.
    wtf?

    Remember when I was derided for predicting civil disorder and maybe even race war?

    We are going to a very very very dark place. We are right on the abyss. I hope this news report is completely wrong
    Rachel Reeves was talking about the possibility of it in 2016.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rachel-reeves-brexit-immigration-labour-mp-riots-uk-conference-speech-a7334266.html
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,880
    edited August 3
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    It appears there has been an incident at the protest in Stoke.

    Not the sharpest knives in the drawer:

    An anti-immigration protester has claimed the Titanic sank because there was ‘too many people’ in a bizarre comparison to the UK.

    The Titanic sank due to a collision with an iceberg, not because of the number of people aboard the ship.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/uk-riots-live-hundreds-far-141059517.html
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    MisterBedfordshire said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    It appears there has been an incident at the protest in Stoke.

    Appears that two white youths have been stabbed and allegedly others attacked with axes and hammers.

    If you want to know more see Twix for a less cautious summary.
    wtf?

    Remember when I was derided for predicting civil disorder and maybe even race war?

    We are going to a very very very dark place. We are right on the abyss. I hope this news report is completely wrong
    Rachel Reeves was talking about the possibility of it in 2016.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rachel-reeves-brexit-immigration-labour-mp-riots-uk-conference-speech-a7334266.html
    I know. I linked to it earlier today

    My god this is bleak. Open racial conflict all over Britain
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,505
    On a more light hearted note...

    Spend a decade training. Counting every calorie. Measuring every vital. Getting 8.15 hours of sleep every night. Only to lose out on an Olympic medal because your dong wasn’t tucked. Devastating

    https://x.com/TrungTPhan/status/1819741229246304735
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    rottenborough said:

    Hitler lovers completely outnumbered by anti-racism campaigners in Nottingham city.

    You mean the anti racism campaigners who just brutally stabbed and axed two people?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,379
    Um. point of tech order. Twitter's timestamps are unreliable. ISTR that was discovered when Alec Baldwin's wife was accused of texting during a funeral, a point she hotly denied. IIUC things like timezones, lacation of the phone, relay towers and the location of the servers is an issue
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082
    rottenborough said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    rottenborough said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    BIB - Shocked.

    While foreign agitators and far-right leaders leapt upon false claims the Southport attack suspect was an immigrant who had arrived in a small boat, the allegations can be traced to social media accounts closer to home.

    The woman accused of being first to post a false Muslim name for the suspect is the managing director of a clothing company. The mother of three in her mid-fifties enjoys walking, is married to an artist and counts an actor among her children. The family live in a £1.5 million farmhouse in the rural north.

    She posted on Twitter/X that “Ali Al-Shakati” was the suspect, he was an “asylum seeker who came to the UK by boat last year” and was on an “MI6 watch list”.

    “If this is true, then all hell is about to break loose”, she wrote. The false information sped around the internet and played a part in prompting the anti-immigration riot in Southport the following evening. An hour after it was published, at 4.49pm on Monday, she deleted the post.

    The woman, who The Times is not naming, is a prominent campaigner against lockdowns and net-zero climate schemes. She had tens of thousands of followers before she deleted her account....

    ...Logically, a British tech company that reports on misinformation, said that her post was the first to contain the name. Her comment, the company said, went online 61 minutes before the Russian-linked Channel 3 Now website published an article which went viral online and was repeated on RT, the Russian broadcaster.

    “The name is amplified by Channel 3 Now,” Marc Jones, a disinformation expert, said. “It’s a fake news site … and they got loads of retweets.” Channel 3 Now later removed the article and apologised.

    The false claims were jumped upon by Tommy Robinson, the far-right activist, and Andrew Tate, a right-wing influencer with nine million followers on Twitter/X.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/mother-of-three-sparked-havoc-with-false-claim-about-southport-suspect-bd6kkzgpn

    Why are they not naming the person?

    You can find the name in seconds.
    I think they are playing it safe.

    You really don't want to get sued and/or have the rozzers on your back.
    Don't worry, I'm not putting the name on here.

    As i understand it, some of these monitoring outfits record/scan a vast array of sources as they post. Because of deletion/time expiring/editing etc
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,505
    MattW said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    It appears there has been an incident at the protest in Stoke.

    Not the sharpest knives in the drawer:

    An anti-immigration protester has claimed the Titanic sank because there was ‘too many people’ in a bizarre comparison to the UK.

    The Titanic sank due to a collision with an iceberg, not because of the number of people aboard the ship.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/uk-riots-live-hundreds-far-141059517.html
    Protests do seem to attract low IQ folk....we had the genius level lot who didn't know which river or sea they were chanting about.
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    MisterBedfordshire said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    It appears there has been an incident at the protest in Stoke.

    Appears that two white youths have been stabbed and allegedly others attacked with axes and hammers.

    If you want to know more see Twix for a less cautious summary.
    wtf?

    Remember when I was derided for predicting civil disorder and maybe even race war?

    We are going to a very very very dark place. We are right on the abyss. I hope this news report is completely wrong
    Rachel Reeves was talking about the possibility of it in 2016.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rachel-reeves-brexit-immigration-labour-mp-riots-uk-conference-speech-a7334266.html
    I know. I linked to it earlier today

    My god this is bleak. Open racial conflict all over Britain
    Not racial. Sectarian.

    See NI for a previous example.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,434
    FPT:
    The usual pinch of salt needed, but Ukraine claim to have hit a submarine again:

    "The Ukrainian General Staff reports that Ukrainian forces successfully struck a Russian submarine and an S-400 missile system in occupied Crimea. Four S-400 launchers were significantly damaged. The B-237 "Rostov-on-Don" submarine, hit in Sevastopol port, sank immediately. The submarine, valued at $300 million, was undergoing repairs after a previous attack in September 2023"

    https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1819731752924975447
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,880
    Leon said:

    rottenborough said:

    Hitler lovers completely outnumbered by anti-racism campaigners in Nottingham city.

    You mean the anti racism campaigners who just brutally stabbed and axed two people?
    You know that the perps were anti-racism campaigners?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,434
    Carnyx said:

    MisterBedfordshire said:

    Now safely on the train again in rural Hertfordshire (actually was rural Middlesex), had a very nice Lebanese meal washed down with Beirut Beer (it really exists) then inspected a model village called London from the top of the Shard (which cost more than lunch).

    At and around London Bridge Station were large amounts of males chanting "We are Millwall, no one likes us, we don't care" , so the Borough area might best be avoided.

    Amazing how that station next to the rail bridge has been developed with a floral hat. Is that Cannon Street, and are those two towers the originals? I dimly remember a bombed-out and still roofless hulk in the 1980s.
    Coincidentally enough, I saw this tweet earlier, showing the station before it was redeveloped
    https://x.com/TrainStations23/status/1819346575606370427
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    MisterBedfordshire said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    MisterBedfordshire said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    It appears there has been an incident at the protest in Stoke.

    Appears that two white youths have been stabbed and allegedly others attacked with axes and hammers.

    If you want to know more see Twix for a less cautious summary.
    wtf?

    Remember when I was derided for predicting civil disorder and maybe even race war?

    We are going to a very very very dark place. We are right on the abyss. I hope this news report is completely wrong
    Rachel Reeves was talking about the possibility of it in 2016.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rachel-reeves-brexit-immigration-labour-mp-riots-uk-conference-speech-a7334266.html
    I know. I linked to it earlier today

    My god this is bleak. Open racial conflict all over Britain
    Not racial. Sectarian.

    See NI for a previous example.
    I don’t know how we pull back from this

    The videos out of Stoke are horrific. So this will only inflame the “white” side more
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    Fuck me Béziers feels like an extremely nice place to live right now. Compared to Britain
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,973
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    It appears there has been an incident at the protest in Stoke.

    Have the rioters caused thousands of pounds of improvement to Stoke?

    It is interesting to note that the fella with the swastika tattoo last night in Sunderland is from Stoke.
    Interestingly the levelling up fund gave a massive amount to a redevelopment of Hanley and its still a massive building site with bugger all been completed.

    I am not surprised a proper Nazi comes from Stoke, remember BNP at one point had a load of councillors there, basically by getting local candidates and convince people they weren't bad people.
    Most of them were totally useless as councillors up and down the country. Soon fizzled out.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,114
    Leon said:

    rottenborough said:

    Hitler lovers completely outnumbered by anti-racism campaigners in Nottingham city.

    You mean the anti racism campaigners who just brutally stabbed and axed two people?
    That was Stoke.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,956
    Oh.

    Planned anti-immigration demo in Doncaster passes quietly after only one protester turns up

    https://x.com/DonnyFreePress/status/1819746240688488523
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,220
    A pretty cool finish in the men's road race:

    https://x.com/LosBrolin/status/1819757680837140724
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,012
    We had a protest in Dundee today. It was more than a tad bizarre. Most were waving the Bangladesh flag. Their posters were all in Bengali as was the chanting. Maybe 30 people. Absolutely no idea what it was about. If I hadn't recognised the flag I wouldn't even have known the country.

    Anyone any ideas?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,379
    Courtesy of Popbitch

    Knock knock.
    Who’s there?
    Kamala.
    Kamala who?
    You endorsed her, sir.

    https://popbitch.com/emails/benny-hizzle/
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,956
    DavidL said:

    We had a protest in Dundee today. It was more than a tad bizarre. Most were waving the Bangladesh flag. Their posters were all in Bengali as was the chanting. Maybe 30 people. Absolutely no idea what it was about. If I hadn't recognised the flag I wouldn't even have known the country.

    Anyone any ideas?

    To do with this.

    Fresh violence has broken out in Bangladesh between police and student protesters demanding justice for victims of recent unrest.

    Clashes were reported in the capital Dhaka and other cities on Wednesday. In the north-eastern city of Sylhet, an official claimed demonstrators had attacked police who in turn used tear gas.

    Photos sent from the southern city of Barisal to BBC Bangla show police in riot gear and wielding batons, barricading demonstrations and taking away protesters, many of whom are women.

    More than 200 people have been killed in this month's violence, mostly as a result of police opening fire. Nearly 10,000 people have reportedly been detained.

    Wednesday's "March for Justice" was called by the Students Against Discrimination movement.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1dm4519l48o
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,780
    Leon said:

    Fuck me Béziers feels like an extremely nice place to live right now. Compared to Britain

    That's because you don't live in Britain.

    You live in twatterland.
  • Tim_in_RuislipTim_in_Ruislip Posts: 435
    edited August 3
    DavidL said:

    We had a protest in Dundee today. It was more than a tad bizarre. Most were waving the Bangladesh flag. Their posters were all in Bengali as was the chanting. Maybe 30 people. Absolutely no idea what it was about. If I hadn't recognised the flag I wouldn't even have known the country.

    Anyone any ideas?

    https://www.crisisgroup.org/asia/south-asia/bangladesh/bangladesh-edge-after-crushing-quota-protests
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    Carnyx said:

    MisterBedfordshire said:

    Now safely on the train again in rural Hertfordshire (actually was rural Middlesex), had a very nice Lebanese meal washed down with Beirut Beer (it really exists) then inspected a model village called London from the top of the Shard (which cost more than lunch).

    At and around London Bridge Station were large amounts of males chanting "We are Millwall, no one likes us, we don't care" , so the Borough area might best be avoided.

    Amazing how that station next to the rail bridge has been developed with a floral hat. Is that Cannon Street, and are those two towers the originals? I dimly remember a bombed-out and still roofless hulk in the 1980s.
    As I understand it the roof structure survived but the glass was taken down and put in a safe storage warehouse for the duration. Alas the warehouse got bombed, destroying the lot.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,112
    MisterBedfordshire said:

    Now safely on the train again in rural Hertfordshire (actually was rural Middlesex)

    Potters Bar?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    MattW said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    It appears there has been an incident at the protest in Stoke.

    Not the sharpest knives in the drawer:

    An anti-immigration protester has claimed the Titanic sank because there was ‘too many people’ in a bizarre comparison to the UK.

    The Titanic sank due to a collision with an iceberg, not because of the number of people aboard the ship.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/uk-riots-live-hundreds-far-141059517.html
    Protests do seem to attract low IQ folk....we had the genius level lot who didn't know which river or sea they were chanting about.
    Their grasp of history is very dodgy as well.

    You see and hear as they think St George was an Englishman.

    Bloody St George, a foreigner, coming over here and taking the job of an Englishman, poor St Edmund, the first victim of the great replacement theory.
    Bloody foreign knights, taking the jobs of our previous immigrant overlord knights, rendering our fictional native predators extinct.

    Right, that does it. I’m founding the Order Of Prince Philip & Prince Albert. Our purpose will be to rail against all such furrin’ stuff. And honour the legacy of our patron saints. Proper Englishmen.
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 701
    Leon said:

    Fuck me Béziers feels like an extremely nice place to live right now. Compared to Britain

    I visited Beziers many years ago and I found it had a strange atmosphere. I understand there was a massacre there in the Middle Ages. Also, when I returned from Beziers, I read a Maigret novel in which there was a reference to a brothel in Beziers, which specialised in child prostitution. That had a ring of truth about it.

    Perhaps it was me, but it just struck me as a creepy place. Narbonne, on the other hand, I really liked.
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    MisterBedfordshire said:

    Now safely on the train again in rural Hertfordshire (actually was rural Middlesex)

    Potters Bar?
    That sliver of rural middlesex you pass just before you go into the tunnel near Scratchwood Services on the sprint to St Albans.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082
    DavidL said:

    We had a protest in Dundee today. It was more than a tad bizarre. Most were waving the Bangladesh flag. Their posters were all in Bengali as was the chanting. Maybe 30 people. Absolutely no idea what it was about. If I hadn't recognised the flag I wouldn't even have known the country.

    Anyone any ideas?

    A lots of people got killed by state security forces in protests in Bangladesh. Bangladeshis world wide are have protests about that.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,505
    edited August 3
    tlg86 said:

    A pretty cool finish in the men's road race:

    https://x.com/LosBrolin/status/1819757680837140724

    Nobody likes a show off....has he been on the baking soda and carbon monoxide?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,112
    MisterBedfordshire said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    MisterBedfordshire said:

    Now safely on the train again in rural Hertfordshire (actually was rural Middlesex)

    Potters Bar?
    That sliver of rural middlesex you pass just before you go into the tunnel near Scratchwood Services on the sprint to St Albans.
    No, that's the ECML, through Potters Bar. Potters Bar was in Middlesex, till transferred to Herts in 1965 when most of Middlesex became part of Greater London.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,434
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Oh.

    Planned anti-immigration demo in Doncaster passes quietly after only one protester turns up

    https://x.com/DonnyFreePress/status/1819746240688488523

    There were probably a few hundred there, all wandering about looking for a large group, and being too frit to go up to a stranger and aske them: "Are you a racist?" :)
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    MisterBedfordshire said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    MisterBedfordshire said:

    Now safely on the train again in rural Hertfordshire (actually was rural Middlesex)

    Potters Bar?
    That sliver of rural middlesex you pass just before you go into the tunnel near Scratchwood Services on the sprint to St Albans.
    No, that's the ECML, through Potters Bar. Potters Bar was in Middlesex, till transferred to Herts in 1965 when most of Middlesex became part of Greater London.
    Yes I think you are right, the bit of rural Middlesex I was admiring is in Greater London now.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,880
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    BIB - Shocked.

    While foreign agitators and far-right leaders leapt upon false claims the Southport attack suspect was an immigrant who had arrived in a small boat, the allegations can be traced to social media accounts closer to home.

    The woman accused of being first to post a false Muslim name for the suspect is the managing director of a clothing company. The mother of three in her mid-fifties enjoys walking, is married to an artist and counts an actor among her children. The family live in a £1.5 million farmhouse in the rural north.

    She posted on Twitter/X that “Ali Al-Shakati” was the suspect, he was an “asylum seeker who came to the UK by boat last year” and was on an “MI6 watch list”.

    “If this is true, then all hell is about to break loose”, she wrote. The false information sped around the internet and played a part in prompting the anti-immigration riot in Southport the following evening. An hour after it was published, at 4.49pm on Monday, she deleted the post.

    The woman, who The Times is not naming, is a prominent campaigner against lockdowns and net-zero climate schemes. She had tens of thousands of followers before she deleted her account....

    ...Logically, a British tech company that reports on misinformation, said that her post was the first to contain the name. Her comment, the company said, went online 61 minutes before the Russian-linked Channel 3 Now website published an article which went viral online and was repeated on RT, the Russian broadcaster.

    “The name is amplified by Channel 3 Now,” Marc Jones, a disinformation expert, said. “It’s a fake news site … and they got loads of retweets.” Channel 3 Now later removed the article and apologised.

    The false claims were jumped upon by Tommy Robinson, the far-right activist, and Andrew Tate, a right-wing influencer with nine million followers on Twitter/X.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/mother-of-three-sparked-havoc-with-false-claim-about-southport-suspect-bd6kkzgpn

    One thing that concerns me is the semi-conspiracy-loon tendency. We have seen that in anti-LTN circles, bleeding over into Mark Harper's transport policy.

    I had this on - of all places - Ashley Neal's Youtube channel. TBF it is the Just Cycling one, not the Driving one, and the former gets more drive-by trolls:

    @mattwardman Not interested, but clearly bristling at it. Definitely a cyclist. Lockdown supporter too?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,709
    MattW said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    It appears there has been an incident at the protest in Stoke.

    Not the sharpest knives in the drawer:

    An anti-immigration protester has claimed the Titanic sank because there was ‘too many people’ in a bizarre comparison to the UK.

    The Titanic sank due to a collision with an iceberg, not because of the number of people aboard the ship.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/uk-riots-live-hundreds-far-141059517.html
    Now, come on. We can make some logical assumptions to show this is correct.

    The Titanic left port on a scheduled sailing to America.

    But it would have been cancelled if there hadn't been passengers booked on it.*

    Therefore, it hit the iceberg because too many people were on it. If there hadn't been people on it, it wouldn't have been there.

    /sarcasmends.

    *Actually, as a mail ship it would have sailed anyway. But we're trying to understand the logic of these people.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    Anti racism campaigners marching with swords and smashing up Greggs

    https://x.com/steve_laws_/status/1819759144221507959?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,709
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    MattW said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    It appears there has been an incident at the protest in Stoke.

    Not the sharpest knives in the drawer:

    An anti-immigration protester has claimed the Titanic sank because there was ‘too many people’ in a bizarre comparison to the UK.

    The Titanic sank due to a collision with an iceberg, not because of the number of people aboard the ship.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/uk-riots-live-hundreds-far-141059517.html
    Protests do seem to attract low IQ folk....we had the genius level lot who didn't know which river or sea they were chanting about.
    Their grasp of history is very dodgy as well.

    You see and hear as they think St George was an Englishman.

    Bloody St George, a foreigner, coming over here and taking the job of an Englishman, poor St Edmund, the first victim of the great replacement theory.
    Edmund? What about St Augustine?

    Sure, he was an immigrant, but so Edward for a large chunk of his life.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,268
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    tlg86 said:

    A pretty cool finish in the men's road race:

    https://x.com/LosBrolin/status/1819757680837140724

    Nobody likes a show off....has he been on the baking soda and carbon monoxide?
    Did he change his name to Remco as part of a sponsorship deal?

    https://www.remco.co.uk/
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,112
    rottenborough said:

    Leon said:

    rottenborough said:

    Hitler lovers completely outnumbered by anti-racism campaigners in Nottingham city.

    You mean the anti racism campaigners who just brutally stabbed and axed two people?
    That was Stoke.
    "All northern(-ish) towns look the same to me!"
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,220
    williamglenn said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    tlg86 said:

    A pretty cool finish in the men's road race:

    https://x.com/LosBrolin/status/1819757680837140724

    Nobody likes a show off....has he been on the baking soda and carbon monoxide?
    Did he change his name to Remco as part of a sponsorship deal?

    https://www.remco.co.uk/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remco_(given_name)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    Anti racism campaigners marching with swords and smashing up Greggs

    https://x.com/steve_laws_/status/1819759144221507959?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    What first attracted you to an account that favours the forced repatriation of all non whites and has form for posting fake news?
    I did a Twitter search on “Stoke”
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,956
    Leon said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    Anti racism campaigners marching with swords and smashing up Greggs

    https://x.com/steve_laws_/status/1819759144221507959?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    What first attracted you to an account that favours the forced repatriation of all non whites and has form for posting fake news?
    I did a Twitter search on “Stoke”
    And Elon's algorithms did their work.

    But have a read of this.

    https://hopenothate.org.uk/case-files-steve-laws/
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,376
    Think we could do with a summer deluge to cool down some of these "protesters"
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,112
    GIN1138 said:

    Think we could do with a summer deluge to cool down some of these "protesters"

    Water cannon is legally available to the authorities only in NI!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    Anti racism campaigners marching with swords and smashing up Greggs

    https://x.com/steve_laws_/status/1819759144221507959?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    What first attracted you to an account that favours the forced repatriation of all non whites and has form for posting fake news?
    I did a Twitter search on “Stoke”
    And Elon's algorithms did their work.

    But have a read of this.

    https://hopenothate.org.uk/case-files-steve-laws/
    I’m pretty sure that video is real. I’ve no idea who the tweeter is. I just searched “stoke”

    There are now dozens of videos like that
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,220
    Things not going well at the IOC...

    https://x.com/iocmedia/status/1819667573698445793

    IOC MEDIA

    @iocmedia
    CORRECTION

    In today’s IOC – Paris 2024 press briefing, IOC President Bach said:
    “But I repeat, here, this is not a DSD case, this is about a woman taking part in a women’s competition, and I think I have explained this many times.”

    What was intended was:
    “But I repeat, here, this is not a transgender case, this is about a woman taking part in a women’s competition, and I think I have explained this many times.”
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Think we could do with a summer deluge to cool down some of these "protesters"

    Water cannon is legally available to the authorities only in NI!
    This feels like it is way beyond water cannon
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Think we could do with a summer deluge to cool down some of these "protesters"

    Water cannon is legally available to the authorities only in NI!
    There was a mayor of London, lambasted for buying a water cannon vehicle. I wonder what happened to him?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082
    SandraMc said:

    Leon said:

    Fuck me Béziers feels like an extremely nice place to live right now. Compared to Britain

    I visited Beziers many years ago and I found it had a strange atmosphere. I understand there was a massacre there in the Middle Ages. Also, when I returned from Beziers, I read a Maigret novel in which there was a reference to a brothel in Beziers, which specialised in child prostitution. That had a ring of truth about it.

    Perhaps it was me, but it just struck me as a creepy place. Narbonne, on the other hand, I really liked.
    If you are ever in Saint Bertrand-de-Comminges visit the Cathedral. The old verger may try and sell you an old manuscript, though - I wouldn’t recommend it.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,358
    Malmesbury said:

    DavidL said:

    We had a protest in Dundee today. It was more than a tad bizarre. Most were waving the Bangladesh flag. Their posters were all in Bengali as was the chanting. Maybe 30 people. Absolutely no idea what it was about. If I hadn't recognised the flag I wouldn't even have known the country.

    Anyone any ideas?

    A lots of people got killed by state security forces in protests in Bangladesh. Bangladeshis world wide are have protests about that.
    Awami league have also been organising pro govt protests in UK I think
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    More unusal flag combinations in Belfast.

    https://x.com/KellyMatshall/status/1819726592978854377?t=YS6er9t-6oiaz7LWOEIvMA&s=19
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,172
    edited August 3
    Why did TSE not use this in the header ?
    https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1819750067462402408
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082
    ydoethur said:

    MattW said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    It appears there has been an incident at the protest in Stoke.

    Not the sharpest knives in the drawer:

    An anti-immigration protester has claimed the Titanic sank because there was ‘too many people’ in a bizarre comparison to the UK.

    The Titanic sank due to a collision with an iceberg, not because of the number of people aboard the ship.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/uk-riots-live-hundreds-far-141059517.html
    Now, come on. We can make some logical assumptions to show this is correct.

    The Titanic left port on a scheduled sailing to America.

    But it would have been cancelled if there hadn't been passengers booked on it.*

    Therefore, it hit the iceberg because too many people were on it. If there hadn't been people on it, it wouldn't have been there.

    /sarcasmends.

    *Actually, as a mail ship it would have sailed anyway. But we're trying to understand the logic of these people.
    During the making of the film, they built a whole bunch of stuff, including replicas of the boat davits and boats.

    Some Titanic enthusiasts arranged a test. They bolted the davits to a quart side and replicated the loading and lowering of the boats.

    Even after practise, in daylight, with willing “passengers”, they couldn’t load as fast or get as many boats away in the time as the original crew did. In the dark, on a sloping deck…

    Apparently a big issue was the way the clinker built boats hogged as the passengers were loaded - unless you were used to this, it looked very frightening. Which explains why the plan ended up ( on the Titanic) to launch partly loaded and row round to the gangway to take on more passengers…
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    This is going viral

    “Police liaison tells a group of Muslims in Stoke that, “If you have any weapons discard them at the mosque”.

    How can anybody try to tell anyone that two-tier policing doesn’t exist?!”

    https://x.com/lewis_brackpool/status/1819764968754942426?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    MisterBedfordshire said:

    More unusal flag combinations in Belfast.

    https://x.com/KellyMatshall/status/1819726592978854377?t=YS6er9t-6oiaz7LWOEIvMA&s=19

    I think that might be the same scene as before, from a different angle.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    It’s almost comical. Almost

    Ye gods. Time for a gin and tonic in creepy Béziers
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082
    MisterBedfordshire said:

    More unusal flag combinations in Belfast.

    https://x.com/KellyMatshall/status/1819726592978854377?t=YS6er9t-6oiaz7LWOEIvMA&s=19

    It used to be, before the peace process, that racism against Muslims, Jews etc in NI was low.

    The haters had all the hating they needed.

    Since the peace process… yup, haters gotta hate..
  • Nunu5Nunu5 Posts: 976
    Leon said:

    Anti racism campaigners marching with swords and smashing up Greggs

    https://x.com/steve_laws_/status/1819759144221507959?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    If they have a blue tick they can't be trusted
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    Leon said:

    It’s almost comical. Almost

    Ye gods. Time for a gin and tonic in creepy Béziers

    @Leon this sums it up.

    https://x.com/jesse_marioneau/status/1819450257547415955?t=GAYI4NQ7rQP0mI9VUlCoWg&s=19
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ
    Anybody who breaks the law should be arrested. But what you are also witnessing in the UK right now is a concerted & most likely coordinated effort by the elite class to inflate "far right" to stigmatise & silence millions of ordinary people who object to mass immigration and its effects.
    4:22 PM · Aug 3, 2024
    55K Views"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1819755616186859748
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    DavidL said:

    rottenborough said:

    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    1st like Trump.
    2nd like Harris?

    It's honestly worth playing with this map:https://www.realclearpolling.com/maps/president/2024/cyom/electoral-college

    Harris gets Penn and Wisconsin, she wins. And I think it is increasingly likely that she will get both.
    If she can hold NM.
    Biden was 7-8 percentage points up there and with Harris doing better with Latinos and blacks it is likely she will be doing even better. No one has bothered to poll the state for a while. Virginia is more of a risk than NM.
    Even a slight uptick in Black voter turnout makes VA pretty safe for Harris. NM more problematic IMHO.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,956
    Nigelb said:

    Why did TSE not use this in the header ?
    https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1819750067462402408

    Updated the thread header now.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    The probability is that these protests will just burn themselves out, for the same reason that all protests are futile: people get identified due to technology then end up with really serious consequences in their lives. Sympathisers will not join in, the way they may have done historically.

    What I predict will happen is the response from government will just be along the lines of 'far right terrorism is the greatest challenge of our generation, worse even than Islamist terrorism', and then far right activists will be jailed for decades and given 'control' orders etc, similar to what as happens to Islamic terrorists. But I would be surprised if this solves the problem, I would guess it makes things worse.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,114
    Andy_JS said:

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ
    Anybody who breaks the law should be arrested. But what you are also witnessing in the UK right now is a concerted & most likely coordinated effort by the elite class to inflate "far right" to stigmatise & silence millions of ordinary people who object to mass immigration and its effects.
    4:22 PM · Aug 3, 2024
    55K Views"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1819755616186859748

    The guy's just obsessed with this "elite" he claims to have discovered are running the country.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,112
    Andy_JS said:

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ
    Anybody who breaks the law should be arrested. But what you are also witnessing in the UK right now is a concerted & most likely coordinated effort by the elite class to inflate "far right" to stigmatise & silence millions of ordinary people who object to mass immigration and its effects.
    4:22 PM · Aug 3, 2024
    55K Views"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1819755616186859748

    The Southport stabber wasn't an immigrant.
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