It used to be, before the peace process, that racism against Muslims, Jews etc in NI was low.
The haters had all the hating they needed.
Since the peace process… yup, haters gotta hate..
I really don’t think that’s the dynamic at work here
Much more like: Ireland has never before experienced mass non-western immigration. Like Denmark and Sweden before it, but more so. Ireland was always an exporter of people. Then it got some Eastern Europeans but they assimilated easily
Now they are getting non western migration in large numbers and for various reasons a lot of them don’t like it
"Matt Goodwin @GoodwinMJ Anybody who breaks the law should be arrested. But what you are also witnessing in the UK right now is a concerted & most likely coordinated effort by the elite class to inflate "far right" to stigmatise & silence millions of ordinary people who object to mass immigration and its effects. 4:22 PM · Aug 3, 2024 55K Views"
No, what we are seeing is calling people far right who attack mosques, Uber drivers, people with brown skin walking down the road, Black people on buses.
The murder was not even an migrant. And on top of all this violent crime is down despite record immigration levels. Migrants committ fewer crimes than natives.
So why protest mass migration now? Why conflate the issue of the grisly murders with the issue of mass migration? A lot of people are not dealing with the facts and it is brown and black people that will pay the price
But thing I know if the far right wants fight we minorities will not take things lying down! Our parents have fought way to hard to go backwards now.
The probability is that these protests will just burn themselves out, for the same reason that all protests are futile: people get identified due to technology then end up with really serious consequences in their lives. Sympathisers will not join in, the way they may have done historically.
What I predict will happen is the response from government will just be along the lines of 'far right terrorism is the greatest challenge of our generation, worse even than Islamist terrorism', and then far right activists will be jailed for decades and given 'control' orders etc, similar to what as happens to Islamic terrorists. But I would be surprised if this solves the problem, I would guess it makes things worse.
It isn't an either/or, both Islamic and Far-Right terrorism is a danger to our democratic society and we need to defend ourselves against both. The only difference between the two ideologies is that some otherwise respectable people seek to excuse and minimise the far-right.
It used to be, before the peace process, that racism against Muslims, Jews etc in NI was low.
The haters had all the hating they needed.
Since the peace process… yup, haters gotta hate..
I really don’t think that’s the dynamic at work here
Much more like: Ireland has never before experienced mass non-western immigration. Like Denmark and Sweden before it, but more so. Ireland was always an exporter of people. Then it got some Eastern Europeans but they assimilated easily
Now they are getting non western migration in large numbers and for various reasons a lot of them don’t like it
Just now: Irishman wins Gold in the men's Pommel Horse.
"Matt Goodwin @GoodwinMJ Anybody who breaks the law should be arrested. But what you are also witnessing in the UK right now is a concerted & most likely coordinated effort by the elite class to inflate "far right" to stigmatise & silence millions of ordinary people who object to mass immigration and its effects. 4:22 PM · Aug 3, 2024 55K Views"
No, what we are seeing is calling people far right who attack mosques, Uber drivers, people with brown skin walking down the road, Black people on buses.
The murder was not even an migrant. And on top of all this violent crime is down despite record immigration levels. Migrants committ fewer crimes than natives.
So why protest mass migration now? Why conflate the issue of the grisly murders with the issue of mass migration? A lot of people are not dealing with the facts and it is brown and black people that will pay the price
But thing I know if the far right wants fight we minorities will not take things lying down! Our parents have fought way to hard to go backwards now.
Is violent crime down? I really want to believe this but I have a hard time reconciling the data with what I see with my own eyes in london
The probability is that these protests will just burn themselves out, for the same reason that all protests are futile: people get identified due to technology then end up with really serious consequences in their lives. Sympathisers will not join in, the way they may have done historically.
What I predict will happen is the response from government will just be along the lines of 'far right terrorism is the greatest challenge of our generation, worse even than Islamist terrorism', and then far right activists will be jailed for decades and given 'control' orders etc, similar to what as happens to Islamic terrorists. But I would be surprised if this solves the problem, I would guess it makes things worse.
It isn't an either/or, both Islamic and Far-Right terrorism is a danger to our democratic society and we need to defend ourselves against both. The only difference between the two ideologies is that some otherwise respectable people seek to excuse and minimise the far-right.
And no one tries ti excuse or minimise Islamist violence??? Have you heard of Jeremy Corbyn? Seen any of these pro Palestinian marches?
"Matt Goodwin @GoodwinMJ Anybody who breaks the law should be arrested. But what you are also witnessing in the UK right now is a concerted & most likely coordinated effort by the elite class to inflate "far right" to stigmatise & silence millions of ordinary people who object to mass immigration and its effects. 4:22 PM · Aug 3, 2024 55K Views"
"Matt Goodwin @GoodwinMJ Anybody who breaks the law should be arrested. But what you are also witnessing in the UK right now is a concerted & most likely coordinated effort by the elite class to inflate "far right" to stigmatise & silence millions of ordinary people who object to mass immigration and its effects. 4:22 PM · Aug 3, 2024 55K Views"
No, what we are seeing is calling people far right who attack mosques, Uber drivers, people with brown skin walking down the road, Black people on buses.
The murder was not even an migrant. And on top of all this violent crime is down despite record immigration levels. Migrants committ fewer crimes than natives.
So why protest mass migration now? Why conflate the issue of the grisly murders with the issue of mass migration? A lot of people are not dealing with the facts and it is brown and black people that will pay the price
But thing I know if the far right wants fight we minorities will not take things lying down! Our parents have fought way to hard to go backwards now.
Is violent crime down? I really want to believe this but I have a hard time reconciling the data with what I see with my own eyes in london
The probability is that these protests will just burn themselves out, for the same reason that all protests are futile: people get identified due to technology then end up with really serious consequences in their lives. Sympathisers will not join in, the way they may have done historically.
What I predict will happen is the response from government will just be along the lines of 'far right terrorism is the greatest challenge of our generation, worse even than Islamist terrorism', and then far right activists will be jailed for decades and given 'control' orders etc, similar to what as happens to Islamic terrorists. But I would be surprised if this solves the problem, I would guess it makes things worse.
It isn't an either/or, both Islamic and Far-Right terrorism is a danger to our democratic society and we need to defend ourselves against both. The only difference between the two ideologies is that some otherwise respectable people seek to excuse and minimise the far-right.
And no one tries ti excuse or minimise Islamist violence??? Have you heard of Jeremy Corbyn? Seen any of these pro Palestinian marches?
The Southport stabber wasn't a Muslim or a Palestinian.
"Matt Goodwin @GoodwinMJ Anybody who breaks the law should be arrested. But what you are also witnessing in the UK right now is a concerted & most likely coordinated effort by the elite class to inflate "far right" to stigmatise & silence millions of ordinary people who object to mass immigration and its effects. 4:22 PM · Aug 3, 2024 55K Views"
"Matt Goodwin @GoodwinMJ Anybody who breaks the law should be arrested. But what you are also witnessing in the UK right now is a concerted & most likely coordinated effort by the elite class to inflate "far right" to stigmatise & silence millions of ordinary people who object to mass immigration and its effects. 4:22 PM · Aug 3, 2024 55K Views"
No, what we are seeing is calling people far right who attack mosques, Uber drivers, people with brown skin walking down the road, Black people on buses.
The murder was not even an migrant. And on top of all this violent crime is down despite record immigration levels. Migrants committ fewer crimes than natives.
So why protest mass migration now? Why conflate the issue of the grisly murders with the issue of mass migration? A lot of people are not dealing with the facts and it is brown and black people that will pay the price
But thing I know if the far right wants fight we minorities will not take things lying down! Our parents have fought way to hard to go backwards now.
Is violent crime down? I really want to believe this but I have a hard time reconciling the data with what I see with my own eyes in london
The probability is that these protests will just burn themselves out, for the same reason that all protests are futile: people get identified due to technology then end up with really serious consequences in their lives. Sympathisers will not join in, the way they may have done historically.
What I predict will happen is the response from government will just be along the lines of 'far right terrorism is the greatest challenge of our generation, worse even than Islamist terrorism', and then far right activists will be jailed for decades and given 'control' orders etc, similar to what as happens to Islamic terrorists. But I would be surprised if this solves the problem, I would guess it makes things worse.
It isn't an either/or, both Islamic and Far-Right terrorism is a danger to our democratic society and we need to defend ourselves against both. The only difference between the two ideologies is that some otherwise respectable people seek to excuse and minimise the far-right.
And no one tries ti excuse or minimise Islamist violence??? Have you heard of Jeremy Corbyn? Seen any of these pro Palestinian marches?
Corbyn is against all violence, you might consider him naïve but have you ever heard him say anything different? If the pro-Palestinian marches were anything like what's going on today then you might have an argument but they aren't are they.
At least the olympics are proving to be a nice distraction from all the unrest
I’m not really sure how to gauge what’s happening. It seems to be getting worse but then I’m dubious about the stuff on X now. TikTok seems to have quite stark live videos of events - mostly in the north - of unrest.
"Matt Goodwin @GoodwinMJ Anybody who breaks the law should be arrested. But what you are also witnessing in the UK right now is a concerted & most likely coordinated effort by the elite class to inflate "far right" to stigmatise & silence millions of ordinary people who object to mass immigration and its effects. 4:22 PM · Aug 3, 2024 55K Views"
No one is claiming they are legitimate protesters. If it’s like Sunlan most will be from outside the area. Looting shops is not legitimate protest just like blocking motorways isn’t.
Treat them exactly the same as they treated the rioters after the riots over the death of drug dealer Hacksaw Mark Duggan.
"Matt Goodwin @GoodwinMJ Anybody who breaks the law should be arrested. But what you are also witnessing in the UK right now is a concerted & most likely coordinated effort by the elite class to inflate "far right" to stigmatise & silence millions of ordinary people who object to mass immigration and its effects. 4:22 PM · Aug 3, 2024 55K Views"
"Matt Goodwin @GoodwinMJ Anybody who breaks the law should be arrested. But what you are also witnessing in the UK right now is a concerted & most likely coordinated effort by the elite class to inflate "far right" to stigmatise & silence millions of ordinary people who object to mass immigration and its effects. 4:22 PM · Aug 3, 2024 55K Views"
No, what we are seeing is calling people far right who attack mosques, Uber drivers, people with brown skin walking down the road, Black people on buses.
The murder was not even an migrant. And on top of all this violent crime is down despite record immigration levels. Migrants committ fewer crimes than natives.
So why protest mass migration now? Why conflate the issue of the grisly murders with the issue of mass migration? A lot of people are not dealing with the facts and it is brown and black people that will pay the price
But thing I know if the far right wants fight we minorities will not take things lying down! Our parents have fought way to hard to go backwards now.
Is violent crime down? I really want to believe this but I have a hard time reconciling the data with what I see with my own eyes in london
The probability is that these protests will just burn themselves out, for the same reason that all protests are futile: people get identified due to technology then end up with really serious consequences in their lives. Sympathisers will not join in, the way they may have done historically.
What I predict will happen is the response from government will just be along the lines of 'far right terrorism is the greatest challenge of our generation, worse even than Islamist terrorism', and then far right activists will be jailed for decades and given 'control' orders etc, similar to what as happens to Islamic terrorists. But I would be surprised if this solves the problem, I would guess it makes things worse.
It isn't an either/or, both Islamic and Far-Right terrorism is a danger to our democratic society and we need to defend ourselves against both. The only difference between the two ideologies is that some otherwise respectable people seek to excuse and minimise the far-right.
And no one tries ti excuse or minimise Islamist violence??? Have you heard of Jeremy Corbyn? Seen any of these pro Palestinian marches?
Violent crime is down 28% in England and and Wales since the pandemic (2020). Ofcourse immigration has surged massively since then, including the small boats.
Total crime down 17%.
We might feel like it's going up but we do need to use statistics and fact. Two people can have different feelings about the same topic.
Immigration itself is not increasing crime. Despite pockets of crime committed by people if colour
The tabloid feedback is the more worrying aspect than the actually limited incidents so far.
The Mail is whipping its readers into a similar frenzy of fear, for instance. Another total and spectacular failure of the British press' s marvellous system on "self-regulation".
"Matt Goodwin @GoodwinMJ Anybody who breaks the law should be arrested. But what you are also witnessing in the UK right now is a concerted & most likely coordinated effort by the elite class to inflate "far right" to stigmatise & silence millions of ordinary people who object to mass immigration and its effects. 4:22 PM · Aug 3, 2024 55K Views"
No, what we are seeing is calling people far right who attack mosques, Uber drivers, people with brown skin walking down the road, Black people on buses.
The murder was not even an migrant. And on top of all this violent crime is down despite record immigration levels. Migrants committ fewer crimes than natives.
So why protest mass migration now? Why conflate the issue of the grisly murders with the issue of mass migration? A lot of people are not dealing with the facts and it is brown and black people that will pay the price
But thing I know if the far right wants fight we minorities will not take things lying down! Our parents have fought way to hard to go backwards now.
Is violent crime down? I really want to believe this but I have a hard time reconciling the data with what I see with my own eyes in london
The probability is that these protests will just burn themselves out, for the same reason that all protests are futile: people get identified due to technology then end up with really serious consequences in their lives. Sympathisers will not join in, the way they may have done historically.
What I predict will happen is the response from government will just be along the lines of 'far right terrorism is the greatest challenge of our generation, worse even than Islamist terrorism', and then far right activists will be jailed for decades and given 'control' orders etc, similar to what as happens to Islamic terrorists. But I would be surprised if this solves the problem, I would guess it makes things worse.
It isn't an either/or, both Islamic and Far-Right terrorism is a danger to our democratic society and we need to defend ourselves against both. The only difference between the two ideologies is that some otherwise respectable people seek to excuse and minimise the far-right.
And no one tries ti excuse or minimise Islamist violence??? Have you heard of Jeremy Corbyn? Seen any of these pro Palestinian marches?
Corbyn is against all violence, you might consider him naïve but have you ever heard him say anything different? If the pro-Palestinian marches were anything like what's going on today then you might have an argument but they aren't are they.
He was “good friends” with Hamas you fecking idiot
"Matt Goodwin @GoodwinMJ Anybody who breaks the law should be arrested. But what you are also witnessing in the UK right now is a concerted & most likely coordinated effort by the elite class to inflate "far right" to stigmatise & silence millions of ordinary people who object to mass immigration and its effects. 4:22 PM · Aug 3, 2024 55K Views"
No, what we are seeing is calling people far right who attack mosques, Uber drivers, people with brown skin walking down the road, Black people on buses.
The murder was not even an migrant. And on top of all this violent crime is down despite record immigration levels. Migrants committ fewer crimes than natives.
So why protest mass migration now? Why conflate the issue of the grisly murders with the issue of mass migration? A lot of people are not dealing with the facts and it is brown and black people that will pay the price
But thing I know if the far right wants fight we minorities will not take things lying down! Our parents have fought way to hard to go backwards now.
Is violent crime down? I really want to believe this but I have a hard time reconciling the data with what I see with my own eyes in london
The probability is that these protests will just burn themselves out, for the same reason that all protests are futile: people get identified due to technology then end up with really serious consequences in their lives. Sympathisers will not join in, the way they may have done historically.
What I predict will happen is the response from government will just be along the lines of 'far right terrorism is the greatest challenge of our generation, worse even than Islamist terrorism', and then far right activists will be jailed for decades and given 'control' orders etc, similar to what as happens to Islamic terrorists. But I would be surprised if this solves the problem, I would guess it makes things worse.
It isn't an either/or, both Islamic and Far-Right terrorism is a danger to our democratic society and we need to defend ourselves against both. The only difference between the two ideologies is that some otherwise respectable people seek to excuse and minimise the far-right.
And no one tries ti excuse or minimise Islamist violence??? Have you heard of Jeremy Corbyn? Seen any of these pro Palestinian marches?
Violent crime is down 28% in England and and Wales since the pandemic (2020). Ofcourse immigration has surged massively since then, including the small boats.
Total crime down 17%.
We might feel like it's going up but we do need to use statistics and fact. Two people can have different feelings about the same topic.
Immigration itself is not increasing crime. Despite pockets of crime committed by people if colour
More: whilst shop thefts are up crime in general is down according to two different surveys since the surge of immigration.
About a dozen of the nazi scum in Leicester, kettled by about 30 cops, over 100 counter demonstrators, but all quite peaceable at the moment. The usual shoppers (including me) drifting by. Sidewalk diners and folks dressed for weddings just 50 yards away unbothered.
"Matt Goodwin @GoodwinMJ Anybody who breaks the law should be arrested. But what you are also witnessing in the UK right now is a concerted & most likely coordinated effort by the elite class to inflate "far right" to stigmatise & silence millions of ordinary people who object to mass immigration and its effects. 4:22 PM · Aug 3, 2024 55K Views"
No, what we are seeing is calling people far right who attack mosques, Uber drivers, people with brown skin walking down the road, Black people on buses.
The murder was not even an migrant. And on top of all this violent crime is down despite record immigration levels. Migrants committ fewer crimes than natives.
So why protest mass migration now? Why conflate the issue of the grisly murders with the issue of mass migration? A lot of people are not dealing with the facts and it is brown and black people that will pay the price
But thing I know if the far right wants fight we minorities will not take things lying down! Our parents have fought way to hard to go backwards now.
Is violent crime down? I really want to believe this but I have a hard time reconciling the data with what I see with my own eyes in london
The probability is that these protests will just burn themselves out, for the same reason that all protests are futile: people get identified due to technology then end up with really serious consequences in their lives. Sympathisers will not join in, the way they may have done historically.
What I predict will happen is the response from government will just be along the lines of 'far right terrorism is the greatest challenge of our generation, worse even than Islamist terrorism', and then far right activists will be jailed for decades and given 'control' orders etc, similar to what as happens to Islamic terrorists. But I would be surprised if this solves the problem, I would guess it makes things worse.
It isn't an either/or, both Islamic and Far-Right terrorism is a danger to our democratic society and we need to defend ourselves against both. The only difference between the two ideologies is that some otherwise respectable people seek to excuse and minimise the far-right.
But do you see it with your own eyes in person, or do you see it with your own eyes via social media?
Comparing the availability of videos of incidents with any points in history beyond the last few years is utterly pointless. And having lived and worked in various areas in London myself, I certainly haven't seen a rise in crime in person.
A lovely sunny day with Llandudno full of tourists enjoying its attractions, and driving home from Asda past the RNLI boathouse on the promenade, with lots of people on the Summit of the Little Orme taking in the fantastic views it is hard to realise what is happening in our Cities and Towns with rioting that is just horrible to witness
It seems it is mainly active in all those towns left behind with successive governments and it does raise profound questions as to why now and how it can be defused
I really do fear that this is not something that will be resolved easily, or soon, no matter how many agitators are jailed and it really is the first major crises for Starmer and his government
About a dozen of the nazi scum in Leicester, kettled by about 30 cops, over 100 counter demonstrators, but all quite peaceable at the moment. The usual shoppers (including me) drifting by. Sidewalk diners and folks dressed for weddings just 50 yards away unbothered.
Mail: "Riots sweep Britain"
The word sweep doing a hell of a lot of lifting there.
Anyone claiming "legitimate concerns" can fuck right off
Congratulations on posting that before Leon or Mister Bedfordshire.
It’s all hideous
We are pitching into hell
Oh get a grip. We are nothing of the sort. You are in proper drama queen mode today (welcome back by the way, I always enjoy your contributions).
lol. I’m having a big fat gin and tonic in one of Béziers many pretty squares. It should sort me out
Incidentally @SandraMc might bw on to something. There is a faint hint of oddness to the place. Obvs Béziers is the town where they famously slaughtered all the heretics - “slay them all; God will know his own”
But there is also a hot fast strange wind blowing. Like a hot mistral. Shutters banging. Babies crying
"Matt Goodwin @GoodwinMJ Anybody who breaks the law should be arrested. But what you are also witnessing in the UK right now is a concerted & most likely coordinated effort by the elite class to inflate "far right" to stigmatise & silence millions of ordinary people who object to mass immigration and its effects. 4:22 PM · Aug 3, 2024 55K Views"
No, what we are seeing is calling people far right who attack mosques, Uber drivers, people with brown skin walking down the road, Black people on buses.
The murder was not even an migrant. And on top of all this violent crime is down despite record immigration levels. Migrants committ fewer crimes than natives.
So why protest mass migration now? Why conflate the issue of the grisly murders with the issue of mass migration? A lot of people are not dealing with the facts and it is brown and black people that will pay the price
But thing I know if the far right wants fight we minorities will not take things lying down! Our parents have fought way to hard to go backwards now.
Is violent crime down? I really want to believe this but I have a hard time reconciling the data with what I see with my own eyes in london
The probability is that these protests will just burn themselves out, for the same reason that all protests are futile: people get identified due to technology then end up with really serious consequences in their lives. Sympathisers will not join in, the way they may have done historically.
What I predict will happen is the response from government will just be along the lines of 'far right terrorism is the greatest challenge of our generation, worse even than Islamist terrorism', and then far right activists will be jailed for decades and given 'control' orders etc, similar to what as happens to Islamic terrorists. But I would be surprised if this solves the problem, I would guess it makes things worse.
It isn't an either/or, both Islamic and Far-Right terrorism is a danger to our democratic society and we need to defend ourselves against both. The only difference between the two ideologies is that some otherwise respectable people seek to excuse and minimise the far-right.
And no one tries ti excuse or minimise Islamist violence??? Have you heard of Jeremy Corbyn? Seen any of these pro Palestinian marches?
Violent crime is down 28% in England and and Wales since the pandemic (2020). Ofcourse immigration has surged massively since then, including the small boats.
Total crime down 17%.
We might feel like it's going up but we do need to use statistics and fact. Two people can have different feelings about the same topic.
Immigration itself is not increasing crime. Despite pockets of crime committed by people if colour
"Matt Goodwin @GoodwinMJ Anybody who breaks the law should be arrested. But what you are also witnessing in the UK right now is a concerted & most likely coordinated effort by the elite class to inflate "far right" to stigmatise & silence millions of ordinary people who object to mass immigration and its effects. 4:22 PM · Aug 3, 2024 55K Views"
No, what we are seeing is calling people far right who attack mosques, Uber drivers, people with brown skin walking down the road, Black people on buses.
The murder was not even an migrant. And on top of all this violent crime is down despite record immigration levels. Migrants committ fewer crimes than natives.
So why protest mass migration now? Why conflate the issue of the grisly murders with the issue of mass migration? A lot of people are not dealing with the facts and it is brown and black people that will pay the price
But thing I know if the far right wants fight we minorities will not take things lying down! Our parents have fought way to hard to go backwards now.
Is violent crime down? I really want to believe this but I have a hard time reconciling the data with what I see with my own eyes in london
The probability is that these protests will just burn themselves out, for the same reason that all protests are futile: people get identified due to technology then end up with really serious consequences in their lives. Sympathisers will not join in, the way they may have done historically.
What I predict will happen is the response from government will just be along the lines of 'far right terrorism is the greatest challenge of our generation, worse even than Islamist terrorism', and then far right activists will be jailed for decades and given 'control' orders etc, similar to what as happens to Islamic terrorists. But I would be surprised if this solves the problem, I would guess it makes things worse.
It isn't an either/or, both Islamic and Far-Right terrorism is a danger to our democratic society and we need to defend ourselves against both. The only difference between the two ideologies is that some otherwise respectable people seek to excuse and minimise the far-right.
And no one tries ti excuse or minimise Islamist violence??? Have you heard of Jeremy Corbyn? Seen any of these pro Palestinian marches?
Violent crime is down 28% in England and and Wales since the pandemic (2020). Ofcourse immigration has surged massively since then, including the small boats.
Total crime down 17%.
We might feel like it's going up but we do need to use statistics and fact. Two people can have different feelings about the same topic.
Immigration itself is not increasing crime. Despite pockets of crime committed by people if colour
I would like to believe this. But I am also conscious that we have a police force who can't be arsed to turn up when people have had a break in. Or been mugged. Who denied hundreds of young girls were being raped because they are no better than they ought to be. Or something. Who seem to have given up on road traffic offences.
It is increasingly difficult to have confidence in recorded crime when the only point in reporting anything is to get an insurance number. Peoples perceptions are distorted by overly dramatic media coverage but do we really believe crime is falling?
About a dozen of the nazi scum in Leicester, kettled by about 30 cops, over 100 counter demonstrators, but all quite peaceable at the moment. The usual shoppers (including me) drifting by. Sidewalk diners and folks dressed for weddings just 50 yards away unbothered.
Mail: "Riots sweep Britain"
The word sweep doing a hell of a lot of lifting there.
Haven’t there always been sporadic outbursts from young white yobs in Britain? Or do we think this daily kick-off is something new, perhaps super-charged by social media?
"Matt Goodwin @GoodwinMJ Anybody who breaks the law should be arrested. But what you are also witnessing in the UK right now is a concerted & most likely coordinated effort by the elite class to inflate "far right" to stigmatise & silence millions of ordinary people who object to mass immigration and its effects. 4:22 PM · Aug 3, 2024 55K Views"
No, what we are seeing is calling people far right who attack mosques, Uber drivers, people with brown skin walking down the road, Black people on buses.
The murder was not even an migrant. And on top of all this violent crime is down despite record immigration levels. Migrants committ fewer crimes than natives.
So why protest mass migration now? Why conflate the issue of the grisly murders with the issue of mass migration? A lot of people are not dealing with the facts and it is brown and black people that will pay the price
But thing I know if the far right wants fight we minorities will not take things lying down! Our parents have fought way to hard to go backwards now.
Is violent crime down? I really want to believe this but I have a hard time reconciling the data with what I see with my own eyes in london
The probability is that these protests will just burn themselves out, for the same reason that all protests are futile: people get identified due to technology then end up with really serious consequences in their lives. Sympathisers will not join in, the way they may have done historically.
What I predict will happen is the response from government will just be along the lines of 'far right terrorism is the greatest challenge of our generation, worse even than Islamist terrorism', and then far right activists will be jailed for decades and given 'control' orders etc, similar to what as happens to Islamic terrorists. But I would be surprised if this solves the problem, I would guess it makes things worse.
It isn't an either/or, both Islamic and Far-Right terrorism is a danger to our democratic society and we need to defend ourselves against both. The only difference between the two ideologies is that some otherwise respectable people seek to excuse and minimise the far-right.
And no one tries ti excuse or minimise Islamist violence??? Have you heard of Jeremy Corbyn? Seen any of these pro Palestinian marches?
Violent crime is down 28% in England and and Wales since the pandemic (2020). Ofcourse immigration has surged massively since then, including the small boats.
Total crime down 17%.
We might feel like it's going up but we do need to use statistics and fact. Two people can have different feelings about the same topic.
Immigration itself is not increasing crime. Despite pockets of crime committed by people if colour
I would like to believe this. But I am also conscious that we have a police force who can't be arsed to turn up when people have had a break in. Or been mugged. Who denied hundreds of young girls were being raped because they are no better than they ought to be. Or something. Who seem to have given up on road traffic offences.
It is increasingly difficult to have confidence in recorded crime when the only point in reporting anything is to get an insurance number. Peoples perceptions are distorted by overly dramatic media coverage but do we really believe crime is falling?
I highly doubt shops are reporting all the shop lifting. People certainly aren't reporting every time they get their phone snatched.
The big one that definitely isn't getting picked up, fraud.
I was a "victim" (I didn't personally lose money, other people did) of a common insurance scam, where people sell insurance online to mostly young people and they register the insurance using details of somebody else and use a stolen credit card. I was put on 10+ vehicles in a week across different insurances. I of course queried this and the insurance companies just shrugged and said yeah yeah, happens every day, all sorted, and I said, do I need to ring the police etc, no no, just report it to fraud non-profit (I can't remember name off the top of my head). I did, never got a response.
It is why we have the British Crime Survey, but we have seen how much trouble polling companies have getting representative samples these days.
"Matt Goodwin @GoodwinMJ Anybody who breaks the law should be arrested. But what you are also witnessing in the UK right now is a concerted & most likely coordinated effort by the elite class to inflate "far right" to stigmatise & silence millions of ordinary people who object to mass immigration and its effects. 4:22 PM · Aug 3, 2024 55K Views"
No, what we are seeing is calling people far right who attack mosques, Uber drivers, people with brown skin walking down the road, Black people on buses.
The murder was not even an migrant. And on top of all this violent crime is down despite record immigration levels. Migrants committ fewer crimes than natives.
So why protest mass migration now? Why conflate the issue of the grisly murders with the issue of mass migration? A lot of people are not dealing with the facts and it is brown and black people that will pay the price
But thing I know if the far right wants fight we minorities will not take things lying down! Our parents have fought way to hard to go backwards now.
Is violent crime down? I really want to believe this but I have a hard time reconciling the data with what I see with my own eyes in london
The probability is that these protests will just burn themselves out, for the same reason that all protests are futile: people get identified due to technology then end up with really serious consequences in their lives. Sympathisers will not join in, the way they may have done historically.
What I predict will happen is the response from government will just be along the lines of 'far right terrorism is the greatest challenge of our generation, worse even than Islamist terrorism', and then far right activists will be jailed for decades and given 'control' orders etc, similar to what as happens to Islamic terrorists. But I would be surprised if this solves the problem, I would guess it makes things worse.
It isn't an either/or, both Islamic and Far-Right terrorism is a danger to our democratic society and we need to defend ourselves against both. The only difference between the two ideologies is that some otherwise respectable people seek to excuse and minimise the far-right.
And no one tries ti excuse or minimise Islamist violence??? Have you heard of Jeremy Corbyn? Seen any of these pro Palestinian marches?
Violent crime is down 28% in England and and Wales since the pandemic (2020). Ofcourse immigration has surged massively since then, including the small boats.
Total crime down 17%.
We might feel like it's going up but we do need to use statistics and fact. Two people can have different feelings about the same topic.
Immigration itself is not increasing crime. Despite pockets of crime committed by people if colour
I would like to believe this. But I am also conscious that we have a police force who can't be arsed to turn up when people have had a break in. Or been mugged. Who denied hundreds of young girls were being raped because they are no better than they ought to be. Or something. Who seem to have given up on road traffic offences.
It is increasingly difficult to have confidence in recorded crime when the only point in reporting anything is to get an insurance number. Peoples perceptions are distorted by overly dramatic media coverage but do we really believe crime is falling?
Crime surveys cover unreported crime too, that too has been dropping for years.
It appears there has been an incident at the protest in Stoke.
Appears that two white youths have been stabbed and allegedly others attacked with axes and hammers.
If you want to know more see Twix for a less cautious summary.
wtf?
Remember when I was derided for predicting civil disorder and maybe even race war?
We are going to a very very very dark place. We are right on the abyss. I hope this news report is completely wrong
So not surprised that the two of you are creaming yourselves over fake news on social media. Sad.
Sadly, it’s not fake. Not the white thugs beating up the black guy and not the Muslim thugs stabbing the white guys
it’s all too real
James Tapper In the midst of dealing with disorder in Stoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire Police issued a statement debunking claims that a stabbing had taken place.
“We can confirm this information is false and no stabbings have been reported to police or emergency responders, despite videos fuelling speculation on social media.
“We can confirm a man was injured after being hit by a blunt object that was thrown. His injuries are not thought to be serious and he has been taken to hospital for treatment,” the force said.
"Matt Goodwin @GoodwinMJ Anybody who breaks the law should be arrested. But what you are also witnessing in the UK right now is a concerted & most likely coordinated effort by the elite class to inflate "far right" to stigmatise & silence millions of ordinary people who object to mass immigration and its effects. 4:22 PM · Aug 3, 2024 55K Views"
No, what we are seeing is calling people far right who attack mosques, Uber drivers, people with brown skin walking down the road, Black people on buses.
The murder was not even an migrant. And on top of all this violent crime is down despite record immigration levels. Migrants committ fewer crimes than natives.
So why protest mass migration now? Why conflate the issue of the grisly murders with the issue of mass migration? A lot of people are not dealing with the facts and it is brown and black people that will pay the price
But thing I know if the far right wants fight we minorities will not take things lying down! Our parents have fought way to hard to go backwards now.
Is violent crime down? I really want to believe this but I have a hard time reconciling the data with what I see with my own eyes in london
The probability is that these protests will just burn themselves out, for the same reason that all protests are futile: people get identified due to technology then end up with really serious consequences in their lives. Sympathisers will not join in, the way they may have done historically.
What I predict will happen is the response from government will just be along the lines of 'far right terrorism is the greatest challenge of our generation, worse even than Islamist terrorism', and then far right activists will be jailed for decades and given 'control' orders etc, similar to what as happens to Islamic terrorists. But I would be surprised if this solves the problem, I would guess it makes things worse.
It isn't an either/or, both Islamic and Far-Right terrorism is a danger to our democratic society and we need to defend ourselves against both. The only difference between the two ideologies is that some otherwise respectable people seek to excuse and minimise the far-right.
But do you see it with your own eyes in person, or do you see it with your own eyes via social media?
Comparing the availability of videos of incidents with any points in history beyond the last few years is utterly pointless. And having lived and worked in various areas in London myself, I certainly haven't seen a rise in crime in person.
Shoplifting is off the dial, and it seems to go unreported, and I’ve seen it surge from nowhere, and I’ve seen it get violent several times
Indeed London feels more violent now - to me - than it has for a decade or two; tho it felt a lot worse in the grotty early-mid 80s. Purely anecdotal (apart from the shoplifting, which I have witnessed)
Anyone claiming "legitimate concerns" can fuck right off
Go have a crywank over Brexit you mug. With that twat with the top hat.
This is just blatant criminality. All the perps should be arrested, prosecuted and if found guilty suffer the consequences.
It does not diminish concerns as to the direction of the country people may have.
Is it past the lagershed already?
On a day like today, with everything that's going on, a little bit less anger in the air can't hurt.
Indeed, some people are still furious over the failure of Brexit.
Anyway, it'll soon be first bell in the second dog, and time to find that bottle of Provencal rose in the fridge and settle down with a decent book while the home grown Arran Pilots cook.
There is growing speculation that a stabbing has taken place as a result of the disorder today. We can confirm this information is false and no stabbings have been reported to police or emergency responders, despite videos fuelling speculation on social media.
We can confirm a man was injured after being hit by a blunt object that was thrown. His injuries are not thought to be serious and he has been taken to hospital for treatment.
It appears there has been an incident at the protest in Stoke.
Appears that two white youths have been stabbed and allegedly others attacked with axes and hammers.
If you want to know more see Twix for a less cautious summary.
wtf?
Remember when I was derided for predicting civil disorder and maybe even race war?
We are going to a very very very dark place. We are right on the abyss. I hope this news report is completely wrong
So not surprised that the two of you are creaming yourselves over fake news on social media. Sad.
Sadly, it’s not fake. Not the white thugs beating up the black guy and not the Muslim thugs stabbing the white guys
it’s all too real
It appears that the severe head injuries inflicted on the two gentlemen (of which there is primae facie video evidence) were inflicted with weapons other than insertion of knives.
So not fake news other than in the technicality sense.
Which is why was cautious and said that it *appears* that they had been stabbed rather than saying they had been as the twitter reports accompanying the videos.
I also refrained from speculating as to who the perpetrators were.
"Matt Goodwin @GoodwinMJ Anybody who breaks the law should be arrested. But what you are also witnessing in the UK right now is a concerted & most likely coordinated effort by the elite class to inflate "far right" to stigmatise & silence millions of ordinary people who object to mass immigration and its effects. 4:22 PM · Aug 3, 2024 55K Views"
No, what we are seeing is calling people far right who attack mosques, Uber drivers, people with brown skin walking down the road, Black people on buses.
The murder was not even an migrant. And on top of all this violent crime is down despite record immigration levels. Migrants committ fewer crimes than natives.
So why protest mass migration now? Why conflate the issue of the grisly murders with the issue of mass migration? A lot of people are not dealing with the facts and it is brown and black people that will pay the price
But thing I know if the far right wants fight we minorities will not take things lying down! Our parents have fought way to hard to go backwards now.
Is violent crime down? I really want to believe this but I have a hard time reconciling the data with what I see with my own eyes in london
The probability is that these protests will just burn themselves out, for the same reason that all protests are futile: people get identified due to technology then end up with really serious consequences in their lives. Sympathisers will not join in, the way they may have done historically.
What I predict will happen is the response from government will just be along the lines of 'far right terrorism is the greatest challenge of our generation, worse even than Islamist terrorism', and then far right activists will be jailed for decades and given 'control' orders etc, similar to what as happens to Islamic terrorists. But I would be surprised if this solves the problem, I would guess it makes things worse.
It isn't an either/or, both Islamic and Far-Right terrorism is a danger to our democratic society and we need to defend ourselves against both. The only difference between the two ideologies is that some otherwise respectable people seek to excuse and minimise the far-right.
And no one tries ti excuse or minimise Islamist violence??? Have you heard of Jeremy Corbyn? Seen any of these pro Palestinian marches?
Violent crime is down 28% in England and and Wales since the pandemic (2020). Ofcourse immigration has surged massively since then, including the small boats.
Total crime down 17%.
We might feel like it's going up but we do need to use statistics and fact. Two people can have different feelings about the same topic.
Immigration itself is not increasing crime. Despite pockets of crime committed by people if colour
I would like to believe this. But I am also conscious that we have a police force who can't be arsed to turn up when people have had a break in. Or been mugged. Who denied hundreds of young girls were being raped because they are no better than they ought to be. Or something. Who seem to have given up on road traffic offences.
It is increasingly difficult to have confidence in recorded crime when the only point in reporting anything is to get an insurance number. Peoples perceptions are distorted by overly dramatic media coverage but do we really believe crime is falling?
You're right that recorded crime isn't accurate, but it never really has been because of huge variations in practice, changes in the law etc. Most academics rely more on the (British) Crime Survey, which records people's experience of crime via pretty sophisticated research techniques. It's a complex picture, but the Crime Survey does indeed show a decline in crime over the last 30 years. Huge variations by category though - e.g. sexual offences up, burglary and car crime significantly down.
"Matt Goodwin @GoodwinMJ Anybody who breaks the law should be arrested. But what you are also witnessing in the UK right now is a concerted & most likely coordinated effort by the elite class to inflate "far right" to stigmatise & silence millions of ordinary people who object to mass immigration and its effects. 4:22 PM · Aug 3, 2024 55K Views"
No, what we are seeing is calling people far right who attack mosques, Uber drivers, people with brown skin walking down the road, Black people on buses.
The murder was not even an migrant. And on top of all this violent crime is down despite record immigration levels. Migrants committ fewer crimes than natives.
So why protest mass migration now? Why conflate the issue of the grisly murders with the issue of mass migration? A lot of people are not dealing with the facts and it is brown and black people that will pay the price
But thing I know if the far right wants fight we minorities will not take things lying down! Our parents have fought way to hard to go backwards now.
Is violent crime down? I really want to believe this but I have a hard time reconciling the data with what I see with my own eyes in london
The probability is that these protests will just burn themselves out, for the same reason that all protests are futile: people get identified due to technology then end up with really serious consequences in their lives. Sympathisers will not join in, the way they may have done historically.
What I predict will happen is the response from government will just be along the lines of 'far right terrorism is the greatest challenge of our generation, worse even than Islamist terrorism', and then far right activists will be jailed for decades and given 'control' orders etc, similar to what as happens to Islamic terrorists. But I would be surprised if this solves the problem, I would guess it makes things worse.
It isn't an either/or, both Islamic and Far-Right terrorism is a danger to our democratic society and we need to defend ourselves against both. The only difference between the two ideologies is that some otherwise respectable people seek to excuse and minimise the far-right.
And no one tries ti excuse or minimise Islamist violence??? Have you heard of Jeremy Corbyn? Seen any of these pro Palestinian marches?
Violent crime is down 28% in England and and Wales since the pandemic (2020). Ofcourse immigration has surged massively since then, including the small boats.
Total crime down 17%.
We might feel like it's going up but we do need to use statistics and fact. Two people can have different feelings about the same topic.
Immigration itself is not increasing crime. Despite pockets of crime committed by people if colour
I would like to believe this. But I am also conscious that we have a police force who can't be arsed to turn up when people have had a break in. Or been mugged. Who denied hundreds of young girls were being raped because they are no better than they ought to be. Or something. Who seem to have given up on road traffic offences.
It is increasingly difficult to have confidence in recorded crime when the only point in reporting anything is to get an insurance number. Peoples perceptions are distorted by overly dramatic media coverage but do we really believe crime is falling?
You're right that recorded crime isn't accurate, but it never really has been because of huge variations in practice, changes in the law etc. Most academics rely more on the (British) Crime Survey, which records people's experience of crime via pretty sophisticated research techniques. It's a complex picture, but the Crime Survey does indeed show a decline in crime over the last 30 years. Huge variations by category though - e.g. sexual offences up, burglary and car crime significantly down.
You see this is when you start to have a bit of an issue. Insurance companies premiums are through the roof, certain cars you can't even get insurance because they are so many being nicked e.g. Range Rover.
Maybe it was joy riding and now its stolen to order to ship abroad, perhaps there was a lot more joy riding, but in recent years cars stolen to order for export / ripped for parts, is a major problem.
"Matt Goodwin @GoodwinMJ Anybody who breaks the law should be arrested. But what you are also witnessing in the UK right now is a concerted & most likely coordinated effort by the elite class to inflate "far right" to stigmatise & silence millions of ordinary people who object to mass immigration and its effects. 4:22 PM · Aug 3, 2024 55K Views"
No, what we are seeing is calling people far right who attack mosques, Uber drivers, people with brown skin walking down the road, Black people on buses.
The murder was not even an migrant. And on top of all this violent crime is down despite record immigration levels. Migrants committ fewer crimes than natives.
So why protest mass migration now? Why conflate the issue of the grisly murders with the issue of mass migration? A lot of people are not dealing with the facts and it is brown and black people that will pay the price
But thing I know if the far right wants fight we minorities will not take things lying down! Our parents have fought way to hard to go backwards now.
Is violent crime down? I really want to believe this but I have a hard time reconciling the data with what I see with my own eyes in london
The probability is that these protests will just burn themselves out, for the same reason that all protests are futile: people get identified due to technology then end up with really serious consequences in their lives. Sympathisers will not join in, the way they may have done historically.
What I predict will happen is the response from government will just be along the lines of 'far right terrorism is the greatest challenge of our generation, worse even than Islamist terrorism', and then far right activists will be jailed for decades and given 'control' orders etc, similar to what as happens to Islamic terrorists. But I would be surprised if this solves the problem, I would guess it makes things worse.
It isn't an either/or, both Islamic and Far-Right terrorism is a danger to our democratic society and we need to defend ourselves against both. The only difference between the two ideologies is that some otherwise respectable people seek to excuse and minimise the far-right.
But do you see it with your own eyes in person, or do you see it with your own eyes via social media?
Comparing the availability of videos of incidents with any points in history beyond the last few years is utterly pointless. And having lived and worked in various areas in London myself, I certainly haven't seen a rise in crime in person.
Shoplifting is off the dial, and it seems to go unreported, and I’ve seen it surge from nowhere, and I’ve seen it get violent several times
Indeed London feels more violent now - to me - than it has for a decade or two; tho it felt a lot worse in the grotty early-mid 80s. Purely anecdotal (apart from the shoplifting, which I have witnessed)
I cannot really comment, except that it’s hard to “hide” rising violent crime from official statistics.
What I suspect has happened is that shoplifting and low-level crimes - vandalism, flytipping - and even general social nuisance like the habit of listening to iPhones on full volume on public transport - have all escalated.
"Matt Goodwin @GoodwinMJ Anybody who breaks the law should be arrested. But what you are also witnessing in the UK right now is a concerted & most likely coordinated effort by the elite class to inflate "far right" to stigmatise & silence millions of ordinary people who object to mass immigration and its effects. 4:22 PM · Aug 3, 2024 55K Views"
No, what we are seeing is calling people far right who attack mosques, Uber drivers, people with brown skin walking down the road, Black people on buses.
The murder was not even an migrant. And on top of all this violent crime is down despite record immigration levels. Migrants committ fewer crimes than natives.
So why protest mass migration now? Why conflate the issue of the grisly murders with the issue of mass migration? A lot of people are not dealing with the facts and it is brown and black people that will pay the price
But thing I know if the far right wants fight we minorities will not take things lying down! Our parents have fought way to hard to go backwards now.
Is violent crime down? I really want to believe this but I have a hard time reconciling the data with what I see with my own eyes in london
The probability is that these protests will just burn themselves out, for the same reason that all protests are futile: people get identified due to technology then end up with really serious consequences in their lives. Sympathisers will not join in, the way they may have done historically.
What I predict will happen is the response from government will just be along the lines of 'far right terrorism is the greatest challenge of our generation, worse even than Islamist terrorism', and then far right activists will be jailed for decades and given 'control' orders etc, similar to what as happens to Islamic terrorists. But I would be surprised if this solves the problem, I would guess it makes things worse.
It isn't an either/or, both Islamic and Far-Right terrorism is a danger to our democratic society and we need to defend ourselves against both. The only difference between the two ideologies is that some otherwise respectable people seek to excuse and minimise the far-right.
But do you see it with your own eyes in person, or do you see it with your own eyes via social media?
Comparing the availability of videos of incidents with any points in history beyond the last few years is utterly pointless. And having lived and worked in various areas in London myself, I certainly haven't seen a rise in crime in person.
Shoplifting is off the dial, and it seems to go unreported, and I’ve seen it surge from nowhere, and I’ve seen it get violent several times
Indeed London feels more violent now - to me - than it has for a decade or two; tho it felt a lot worse in the grotty early-mid 80s. Purely anecdotal (apart from the shoplifting, which I have witnessed)
I cannot really comment, except that it’s hard to “hide” rising violent crime from official statistics.
What I suspect has happened is that shoplifting and low-level crimes - vandalism, flytipping - and even general social nuisance like the habit of listening to iPhones on full volume on public transport - have all escalated.
This all gives the sense of rising menace.
Overall, the police recorded 2.1 million offences of violence against the person in the year ending March 2023. This was a 20% rise compared with the pre-coronavirus pandemic year ending March 2020 (1.8 million offences) and a slight increase (1%) compared with the year ending March 2022. Violence with injury was 6% higher (573,791 offences) than levels recorded in the year ending March 2020 (540,870 offences). In addition, violence without injury increased by 14% to 828,673 offences compared with the year ending March 2020 (728,265 offences).
One thing we know is that early 2010s, knife crime was mainly a London thing, its supposedly down a little bit in London, but its now widespread across the country, most likely driven by county lines. I did post a chart the other day that showed the changes and some towns that are traditionally nothing boring towns the rise is really large.
"Matt Goodwin @GoodwinMJ Anybody who breaks the law should be arrested. But what you are also witnessing in the UK right now is a concerted & most likely coordinated effort by the elite class to inflate "far right" to stigmatise & silence millions of ordinary people who object to mass immigration and its effects. 4:22 PM · Aug 3, 2024 55K Views"
No, what we are seeing is calling people far right who attack mosques, Uber drivers, people with brown skin walking down the road, Black people on buses.
The murder was not even an migrant. And on top of all this violent crime is down despite record immigration levels. Migrants committ fewer crimes than natives.
So why protest mass migration now? Why conflate the issue of the grisly murders with the issue of mass migration? A lot of people are not dealing with the facts and it is brown and black people that will pay the price
But thing I know if the far right wants fight we minorities will not take things lying down! Our parents have fought way to hard to go backwards now.
Is violent crime down? I really want to believe this but I have a hard time reconciling the data with what I see with my own eyes in london
The probability is that these protests will just burn themselves out, for the same reason that all protests are futile: people get identified due to technology then end up with really serious consequences in their lives. Sympathisers will not join in, the way they may have done historically.
What I predict will happen is the response from government will just be along the lines of 'far right terrorism is the greatest challenge of our generation, worse even than Islamist terrorism', and then far right activists will be jailed for decades and given 'control' orders etc, similar to what as happens to Islamic terrorists. But I would be surprised if this solves the problem, I would guess it makes things worse.
It isn't an either/or, both Islamic and Far-Right terrorism is a danger to our democratic society and we need to defend ourselves against both. The only difference between the two ideologies is that some otherwise respectable people seek to excuse and minimise the far-right.
And no one tries ti excuse or minimise Islamist violence??? Have you heard of Jeremy Corbyn? Seen any of these pro Palestinian marches?
Violent crime is down 28% in England and and Wales since the pandemic (2020). Ofcourse immigration has surged massively since then, including the small boats.
Total crime down 17%.
We might feel like it's going up but we do need to use statistics and fact. Two people can have different feelings about the same topic.
Immigration itself is not increasing crime. Despite pockets of crime committed by people if colour
I would like to believe this. But I am also conscious that we have a police force who can't be arsed to turn up when people have had a break in. Or been mugged. Who denied hundreds of young girls were being raped because they are no better than they ought to be. Or something. Who seem to have given up on road traffic offences.
It is increasingly difficult to have confidence in recorded crime when the only point in reporting anything is to get an insurance number. Peoples perceptions are distorted by overly dramatic media coverage but do we really believe crime is falling?
You're right that recorded crime isn't accurate, but it never really has been because of huge variations in practice, changes in the law etc. Most academics rely more on the (British) Crime Survey, which records people's experience of crime via pretty sophisticated research techniques. It's a complex picture, but the Crime Survey does indeed show a decline in crime over the last 30 years. Huge variations by category though - e.g. sexual offences up, burglary and car crime significantly down.
You see this is when you start to have a bit of an issue. Insurance companies premiums are through the roof, certain cars you can't even get insurance because they are so many being nicked e.g. Range Rover.
Maybe it was joy riding and now its stolen to order to ship abroad, perhaps there was a lot more joy riding, but in recent years cars stolen to order for export / ripped for parts, is a major problem.
I think it's theft from, rather than of, cars that's fallen the most. I remember my car being broken into several times in the 90s for the cassette player - nothing to nick, and/or not financially worth it, these days.
Anyone claiming "legitimate concerns" can fuck right off
Congratulations on posting that before Leon or Mister Bedfordshire.
It’s all hideous
We are pitching into hell
No, we will endure, as we always do.
Brits always smash the fascists, from Cable Street to the National Front.
We'll smash these bunch of twats you seem eager to embolden/defend.
I mean this with all kindness, but you're turning into a late era Plato, and I really don't want that.
Besides anything else, the rioting is a symptom of extreme weakness rather than strength. They're lashing out because they're pitiful and impotent, and deep down they know it.
"Matt Goodwin @GoodwinMJ Anybody who breaks the law should be arrested. But what you are also witnessing in the UK right now is a concerted & most likely coordinated effort by the elite class to inflate "far right" to stigmatise & silence millions of ordinary people who object to mass immigration and its effects. 4:22 PM · Aug 3, 2024 55K Views"
No, what we are seeing is calling people far right who attack mosques, Uber drivers, people with brown skin walking down the road, Black people on buses.
The murder was not even an migrant. And on top of all this violent crime is down despite record immigration levels. Migrants committ fewer crimes than natives.
So why protest mass migration now? Why conflate the issue of the grisly murders with the issue of mass migration? A lot of people are not dealing with the facts and it is brown and black people that will pay the price
But thing I know if the far right wants fight we minorities will not take things lying down! Our parents have fought way to hard to go backwards now.
Is violent crime down? I really want to believe this but I have a hard time reconciling the data with what I see with my own eyes in london
The probability is that these protests will just burn themselves out, for the same reason that all protests are futile: people get identified due to technology then end up with really serious consequences in their lives. Sympathisers will not join in, the way they may have done historically.
What I predict will happen is the response from government will just be along the lines of 'far right terrorism is the greatest challenge of our generation, worse even than Islamist terrorism', and then far right activists will be jailed for decades and given 'control' orders etc, similar to what as happens to Islamic terrorists. But I would be surprised if this solves the problem, I would guess it makes things worse.
It isn't an either/or, both Islamic and Far-Right terrorism is a danger to our democratic society and we need to defend ourselves against both. The only difference between the two ideologies is that some otherwise respectable people seek to excuse and minimise the far-right.
And no one tries ti excuse or minimise Islamist violence??? Have you heard of Jeremy Corbyn? Seen any of these pro Palestinian marches?
Violent crime is down 28% in England and and Wales since the pandemic (2020). Ofcourse immigration has surged massively since then, including the small boats.
Total crime down 17%.
We might feel like it's going up but we do need to use statistics and fact. Two people can have different feelings about the same topic.
Immigration itself is not increasing crime. Despite pockets of crime committed by people if colour
I would like to believe this. But I am also conscious that we have a police force who can't be arsed to turn up when people have had a break in. Or been mugged. Who denied hundreds of young girls were being raped because they are no better than they ought to be. Or something. Who seem to have given up on road traffic offences.
It is increasingly difficult to have confidence in recorded crime when the only point in reporting anything is to get an insurance number. Peoples perceptions are distorted by overly dramatic media coverage but do we really believe crime is falling?
You're right that recorded crime isn't accurate, but it never really has been because of huge variations in practice, changes in the law etc. Most academics rely more on the (British) Crime Survey, which records people's experience of crime via pretty sophisticated research techniques. It's a complex picture, but the Crime Survey does indeed show a decline in crime over the last 30 years. Huge variations by category though - e.g. sexual offences up, burglary and car crime significantly down.
You see this is when you start to have a bit of an issue. Insurance companies premiums are through the roof, certain cars you can't even get insurance because they are so many being nicked e.g. Range Rover.
Maybe it was joy riding and now its stolen to order to ship abroad, perhaps there was a lot more joy riding, but in recent years cars stolen to order for export / ripped for parts, is a major problem.
I think it's theft from, rather than of, cars that's fallen the most. I remember my car being broken into several times in the 90s for the cassette player - nothing to nick, and/or not financially worth it, these days.
That would make sense. Nobody is nicking car stereos these days, also you might as well nick the whole car as it is so easy with keyless entry. Same as nobody really nicks tvs from people's homes.
I think we have gone through a cycle. 80s cars were dead easy to nick. All those cosworths that would go every day. The 2000s, it started getting trickier. And then some moron thought that keyless entry and reprogrammable keys was a genius idea, along with a port in your car that anybody can plug into and talk to the internal computer.
"Matt Goodwin @GoodwinMJ Anybody who breaks the law should be arrested. But what you are also witnessing in the UK right now is a concerted & most likely coordinated effort by the elite class to inflate "far right" to stigmatise & silence millions of ordinary people who object to mass immigration and its effects. 4:22 PM · Aug 3, 2024 55K Views"
No, what we are seeing is calling people far right who attack mosques, Uber drivers, people with brown skin walking down the road, Black people on buses.
The murder was not even an migrant. And on top of all this violent crime is down despite record immigration levels. Migrants committ fewer crimes than natives.
So why protest mass migration now? Why conflate the issue of the grisly murders with the issue of mass migration? A lot of people are not dealing with the facts and it is brown and black people that will pay the price
But thing I know if the far right wants fight we minorities will not take things lying down! Our parents have fought way to hard to go backwards now.
Is violent crime down? I really want to believe this but I have a hard time reconciling the data with what I see with my own eyes in london
The probability is that these protests will just burn themselves out, for the same reason that all protests are futile: people get identified due to technology then end up with really serious consequences in their lives. Sympathisers will not join in, the way they may have done historically.
What I predict will happen is the response from government will just be along the lines of 'far right terrorism is the greatest challenge of our generation, worse even than Islamist terrorism', and then far right activists will be jailed for decades and given 'control' orders etc, similar to what as happens to Islamic terrorists. But I would be surprised if this solves the problem, I would guess it makes things worse.
It isn't an either/or, both Islamic and Far-Right terrorism is a danger to our democratic society and we need to defend ourselves against both. The only difference between the two ideologies is that some otherwise respectable people seek to excuse and minimise the far-right.
But do you see it with your own eyes in person, or do you see it with your own eyes via social media?
Comparing the availability of videos of incidents with any points in history beyond the last few years is utterly pointless. And having lived and worked in various areas in London myself, I certainly haven't seen a rise in crime in person.
Shoplifting is off the dial, and it seems to go unreported, and I’ve seen it surge from nowhere, and I’ve seen it get violent several times
Indeed London feels more violent now - to me - than it has for a decade or two; tho it felt a lot worse in the grotty early-mid 80s. Purely anecdotal (apart from the shoplifting, which I have witnessed)
I cannot really comment, except that it’s hard to “hide” rising violent crime from official statistics.
What I suspect has happened is that shoplifting and low-level crimes - vandalism, flytipping - and even general social nuisance like the habit of listening to iPhones on full volume on public transport - have all escalated.
This all gives the sense of rising menace.
Overall, the police recorded 2.1 million offences of violence against the person in the year ending March 2023. This was a 20% rise compared with the pre-coronavirus pandemic year ending March 2020 (1.8 million offences) and a slight increase (1%) compared with the year ending March 2022. Violence with injury was 6% higher (573,791 offences) than levels recorded in the year ending March 2020 (540,870 offences). In addition, violence without injury increased by 14% to 828,673 offences compared with the year ending March 2020 (728,265 offences).
It appears there has been an incident at the protest in Stoke.
Appears that two white youths have been stabbed and allegedly others attacked with axes and hammers.
If you want to know more see Twix for a less cautious summary.
wtf?
Remember when I was derided for predicting civil disorder and maybe even race war?
We are going to a very very very dark place. We are right on the abyss. I hope this news report is completely wrong
So not surprised that the two of you are creaming yourselves over fake news on social media. Sad.
Sadly, it’s not fake. Not the white thugs beating up the black guy and not the Muslim thugs stabbing the white guys
it’s all too real
It appears that the severe head injuries inflicted on the two gentlemen (of which there is primae facie video evidence) were inflicted with weapons other than insertion of knives.
So not fake news other than in the technicality sense.
Which is why was cautious and said that it *appears* that they had been stabbed rather than saying they had been as the twitter reports accompanying the videos.
I also refrained from speculating as to who the perpetrators were.
indeed. Fairly obvious that something bad happened to this guy. It seems to be from Stoke
It appears there has been an incident at the protest in Stoke.
Appears that two white youths have been stabbed and allegedly others attacked with axes and hammers.
If you want to know more see Twix for a less cautious summary.
wtf?
Remember when I was derided for predicting civil disorder and maybe even race war?
We are going to a very very very dark place. We are right on the abyss. I hope this news report is completely wrong
So not surprised that the two of you are creaming yourselves over fake news on social media. Sad.
Sadly, it’s not fake. Not the white thugs beating up the black guy and not the Muslim thugs stabbing the white guys
it’s all too real
It appears that the severe head injuries inflicted on the two gentlemen (of which there is primae facie video evidence) were inflicted with weapons other than insertion of knives.
So not fake news other than in the technicality sense.
Which is why was cautious and said that it *appears* that they had been stabbed rather than saying they had been as the twitter reports accompanying the videos.
I also refrained from speculating as to who the perpetrators were.
Perhaps both of you should just shut the fuck up until we know more of what is going on, instead of spreading rumours and tittle-tattle that may well be wrong, yet might have drastic effects if believed?
On a more pleasant subject: The new Boeing CEO is getting good notices: "Congratulations, Kelly Ortberg. You’ve just landed a job that is simultaneously the best and worst in Corporate America.
Hear me out. As the next CEO of Boeing, Ortberg is taking over a once-mighty American institution that’s languishing in its dirtbag era, like a star high school quarterback who let himself go after graduation and can’t shut up about the glory days.
He seems to have the right experience, from what I have read, and he has already made a good decision, to bring the headquarters back home to the Seattle area.
(I am appalled by the pay, and the payoff, his predecessor is getting.)
Haven’t there always been sporadic outbursts from young white yobs in Britain? Or do we think this daily kick-off is something new, perhaps super-charged by social media?
Haven’t there always been sporadic outbursts from young white yobs in Britain? Or do we think this daily kick-off is something new, perhaps super-charged by social media?
This is on a different scale.
So far it doesn't seem to have on 2010 riots level, for a couple of days that got really out of hand and authorities had totally lost control, although mainly in London, there were other major cities that were only just hanging on at times.
We could do with some classic British summertime rain before it escalates further.
There is growing speculation that a stabbing has taken place as a result of the disorder today. We can confirm this information is false and no stabbings have been reported to police or emergency responders, despite videos fuelling speculation on social media.
We can confirm a man was injured after being hit by a blunt object that was thrown. His injuries are not thought to be serious and he has been taken to hospital for treatment.
An eyewitness report in the link above. A group of 'English lads' were on one side of the street throwing bricks, then a group of 'Muslim lads' appeared down the street. One person was hit on the head with a hammer, who you can see in the background of the video. He appears to be 'up' (i.e. not dead or unconscious) by the end of the video.
So while it's entirely wrong to say there are Muslims going round stabbing 'English' on the streets, as some people are saying on Twitter, today hasn't exactly been a day of racial harmony, either.
Haven’t there always been sporadic outbursts from young white yobs in Britain? Or do we think this daily kick-off is something new, perhaps super-charged by social media?
This is on a different scale.
It’s very hard to tell from afar. You really do lose touch of things even if, when I lived in London, I wouldn’t have first hand experience of a race riot.
Another example, I cannot understand at all why a Jenrick appears to be front-runner to take over the Conservatives. From this distance he appears to be electoral kryptonite.
The two stranded American astronauts make me think that NASA officials should read Heinlein's short story, "Delilah and the Space-Rigger", especially the very end.
"Matt Goodwin @GoodwinMJ Anybody who breaks the law should be arrested. But what you are also witnessing in the UK right now is a concerted & most likely coordinated effort by the elite class to inflate "far right" to stigmatise & silence millions of ordinary people who object to mass immigration and its effects. 4:22 PM · Aug 3, 2024 55K Views"
No, what we are seeing is calling people far right who attack mosques, Uber drivers, people with brown skin walking down the road, Black people on buses.
The murder was not even an migrant. And on top of all this violent crime is down despite record immigration levels. Migrants committ fewer crimes than natives.
So why protest mass migration now? Why conflate the issue of the grisly murders with the issue of mass migration? A lot of people are not dealing with the facts and it is brown and black people that will pay the price
But thing I know if the far right wants fight we minorities will not take things lying down! Our parents have fought way to hard to go backwards now.
Is violent crime down? I really want to believe this but I have a hard time reconciling the data with what I see with my own eyes in london
The probability is that these protests will just burn themselves out, for the same reason that all protests are futile: people get identified due to technology then end up with really serious consequences in their lives. Sympathisers will not join in, the way they may have done historically.
What I predict will happen is the response from government will just be along the lines of 'far right terrorism is the greatest challenge of our generation, worse even than Islamist terrorism', and then far right activists will be jailed for decades and given 'control' orders etc, similar to what as happens to Islamic terrorists. But I would be surprised if this solves the problem, I would guess it makes things worse.
It isn't an either/or, both Islamic and Far-Right terrorism is a danger to our democratic society and we need to defend ourselves against both. The only difference between the two ideologies is that some otherwise respectable people seek to excuse and minimise the far-right.
And no one tries ti excuse or minimise Islamist violence??? Have you heard of Jeremy Corbyn? Seen any of these pro Palestinian marches?
Violent crime is down 28% in England and and Wales since the pandemic (2020). Ofcourse immigration has surged massively since then, including the small boats.
Total crime down 17%.
We might feel like it's going up but we do need to use statistics and fact. Two people can have different feelings about the same topic.
Immigration itself is not increasing crime. Despite pockets of crime committed by people if colour
I would like to believe this. But I am also conscious that we have a police force who can't be arsed to turn up when people have had a break in. Or been mugged. Who denied hundreds of young girls were being raped because they are no better than they ought to be. Or something. Who seem to have given up on road traffic offences.
It is increasingly difficult to have confidence in recorded crime when the only point in reporting anything is to get an insurance number. Peoples perceptions are distorted by overly dramatic media coverage but do we really believe crime is falling?
I highly doubt shops are reporting all the shop lifting. People certainly aren't reporting every time they get their phone snatched.
The big one that definitely isn't getting picked up, fraud.
I was a "victim" (I didn't personally lose money, other people did) of a common insurance scam, where people sell insurance online to mostly young people and they register the insurance using details of somebody else and use a stolen credit card. I was put on 10+ vehicles in a week across different insurances. I of course queried this and the insurance companies just shrugged and said yeah yeah, happens every day, all sorted, and I said, do I need to ring the police etc, no no, just report it to fraud non-profit (I can't remember name off the top of my head). I did, never got a response.
It is why we have the British Crime Survey, but we have seen how much trouble polling companies have getting representative samples these days.
Yes, I have reservations about the British Crime Survey too.
A friend of mine who is quite vulnerable had people come to his door and offer to cut his hedges for him. They did about 1.5 hrs work and charged him £500. They demanded a cheque off him to ensure that they were going to come back in October to complete the work, supposedly. He got the cheque stopped and told them to go away (other words may have been used) when they came back to complain about that. No police involvement at any time. What's the point?
I am not sure that he would have reported himself of being the victim of fraud to the BCS either, if anyone had ever asked. But it was.
"Matt Goodwin @GoodwinMJ Anybody who breaks the law should be arrested. But what you are also witnessing in the UK right now is a concerted & most likely coordinated effort by the elite class to inflate "far right" to stigmatise & silence millions of ordinary people who object to mass immigration and its effects. 4:22 PM · Aug 3, 2024 55K Views"
No, what we are seeing is calling people far right who attack mosques, Uber drivers, people with brown skin walking down the road, Black people on buses.
The murder was not even an migrant. And on top of all this violent crime is down despite record immigration levels. Migrants committ fewer crimes than natives.
So why protest mass migration now? Why conflate the issue of the grisly murders with the issue of mass migration? A lot of people are not dealing with the facts and it is brown and black people that will pay the price
But thing I know if the far right wants fight we minorities will not take things lying down! Our parents have fought way to hard to go backwards now.
Is violent crime down? I really want to believe this but I have a hard time reconciling the data with what I see with my own eyes in london
The probability is that these protests will just burn themselves out, for the same reason that all protests are futile: people get identified due to technology then end up with really serious consequences in their lives. Sympathisers will not join in, the way they may have done historically.
What I predict will happen is the response from government will just be along the lines of 'far right terrorism is the greatest challenge of our generation, worse even than Islamist terrorism', and then far right activists will be jailed for decades and given 'control' orders etc, similar to what as happens to Islamic terrorists. But I would be surprised if this solves the problem, I would guess it makes things worse.
It isn't an either/or, both Islamic and Far-Right terrorism is a danger to our democratic society and we need to defend ourselves against both. The only difference between the two ideologies is that some otherwise respectable people seek to excuse and minimise the far-right.
But do you see it with your own eyes in person, or do you see it with your own eyes via social media?
Comparing the availability of videos of incidents with any points in history beyond the last few years is utterly pointless. And having lived and worked in various areas in London myself, I certainly haven't seen a rise in crime in person.
Shoplifting is off the dial, and it seems to go unreported, and I’ve seen it surge from nowhere, and I’ve seen it get violent several times
Indeed London feels more violent now - to me - than it has for a decade or two; tho it felt a lot worse in the grotty early-mid 80s. Purely anecdotal (apart from the shoplifting, which I have witnessed)
I cannot really comment, except that it’s hard to “hide” rising violent crime from official statistics.
What I suspect has happened is that shoplifting and low-level crimes - vandalism, flytipping - and even general social nuisance like the habit of listening to iPhones on full volume on public transport - have all escalated.
This all gives the sense of rising menace.
Overall, the police recorded 2.1 million offences of violence against the person in the year ending March 2023. This was a 20% rise compared with the pre-coronavirus pandemic year ending March 2020 (1.8 million offences) and a slight increase (1%) compared with the year ending March 2022. Violence with injury was 6% higher (573,791 offences) than levels recorded in the year ending March 2020 (540,870 offences). In addition, violence without injury increased by 14% to 828,673 offences compared with the year ending March 2020 (728,265 offences).
I was responding to the notion that violent crime is down. But - it would seems that it’s not down at all.
Yes, that fits with my perception that it is rising somewhat
Also, how much crime goes unreported. I was technically “mugged” about a year ago, a kid came swanning by on a pushbike and plucked my iPhone from my foolish hands (googling as I walked). I guess that is technically a violent crime but it didn’t feel violent, I just felt like a twonk for being robbed so easily
And of course I didn’t go to the cops. What would they do. I had insurance. Vodafone replaced it next day
About a dozen of the nazi scum in Leicester, kettled by about 30 cops, over 100 counter demonstrators, but all quite peaceable at the moment. The usual shoppers (including me) drifting by. Sidewalk diners and folks dressed for weddings just 50 yards away unbothered.
There is growing speculation that a stabbing has taken place as a result of the disorder today. We can confirm this information is false and no stabbings have been reported to police or emergency responders, despite videos fuelling speculation on social media.
We can confirm a man was injured after being hit by a blunt object that was thrown. His injuries are not thought to be serious and he has been taken to hospital for treatment.
An eyewitness report in the link above. A group of 'English lads' were on one side of the street throwing bricks, then a group of 'Muslim lads' appeared down the street. One person was hit on the head with a hammer, who you can see in the background of the video. He appears to be 'up' (i.e. not dead or unconscious) by the end of the video.
So while it's entirely wrong to say there are Muslims going round stabbing 'English' on the streets, as some people are saying on Twitter, today hasn't exactly been a day of racial harmony, either.
I fear things will escalate after nightfall.
Turns out it was a bit premature to say “Starmer and Cooper have handled this really well”
It appears there has been an incident at the protest in Stoke.
Appears that two white youths have been stabbed and allegedly others attacked with axes and hammers.
If you want to know more see Twix for a less cautious summary.
wtf?
Remember when I was derided for predicting civil disorder and maybe even race war?
We are going to a very very very dark place. We are right on the abyss. I hope this news report is completely wrong
So not surprised that the two of you are creaming yourselves over fake news on social media. Sad.
Sadly, it’s not fake. Not the white thugs beating up the black guy and not the Muslim thugs stabbing the white guys
it’s all too real
It appears that the severe head injuries inflicted on the two gentlemen (of which there is primae facie video evidence) were inflicted with weapons other than insertion of knives.
So not fake news other than in the technicality sense.
Which is why was cautious and said that it *appears* that they had been stabbed rather than saying they had been as the twitter reports accompanying the videos.
I also refrained from speculating as to who the perpetrators were.
indeed. Fairly obvious that something bad happened to this guy. It seems to be from Stoke
"I know this definitely happened cos some random bloke/woman/bot posted a video on Twitter!!!" Soon we'll be reporting as fact the unsubstantiated claims of Sharon on the local Facebook group, who got the 'facts' from her sister's mate whose kids go to the same school as somebody whose cousin saw it happen. Really.
Haven’t there always been sporadic outbursts from young white yobs in Britain? Or do we think this daily kick-off is something new, perhaps super-charged by social media?
This is on a different scale.
So far it doesn't seem to have on 2010 riots level, for a couple of days that got really out of hand and authorities had totally lost control, although mainly in London, there were other major cities that were only just hanging on at times.
We could do with some classic British summertime rain before it escalates further.
But it’s much much worse than the plasma screen riots, in one way, because this is rioting BETWEEN two sides, with major racial/sectarian elements
The plasma screen riots simply needed the coppers to get a grip - and they did, It was mindless stupidity and - belatedly - it was crushed, Sadly this is of a different level of seriousness as it has such potential for escalation, and now a Rubicon has been crossed
The 2010 riots felt surreal; this feels darkly ominous
The probability is that these protests will just burn themselves out, for the same reason that all protests are futile: people get identified due to technology then end up with really serious consequences in their lives. Sympathisers will not join in, the way they may have done historically.
What I predict will happen is the response from government will just be along the lines of 'far right terrorism is the greatest challenge of our generation, worse even than Islamist terrorism', and then far right activists will be jailed for decades and given 'control' orders etc, similar to what as happens to Islamic terrorists. But I would be surprised if this solves the problem, I would guess it makes things worse.
It isn't an either/or, both Islamic and Far-Right terrorism is a danger to our democratic society and we need to defend ourselves against both. The only difference between the two ideologies is that some otherwise respectable people seek to excuse and minimise the far-right.
The important thing is the difference between them
One group is a bunch of violent thugs who base their thuggery, sociopathy and hatred on misunderstanding books they haven’t read and history that is fictional.
The other….
I can remember plenty of people telling me the “we must condemn but understand the grievances thing” about Capn. Hooky and his crew.
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Much more like: Ireland has never before experienced mass non-western immigration. Like Denmark and Sweden before it, but more so. Ireland was always an exporter of people. Then it got some Eastern Europeans but they assimilated easily
Now they are getting non western migration in large numbers and for various reasons a lot of them don’t like it
The murder was not even an migrant. And on top of all this violent crime is down despite record immigration levels. Migrants committ fewer crimes than natives.
So why protest mass migration now? Why conflate the issue of the grisly murders with the issue of mass migration? A lot of people are not dealing with the facts and it is brown and black people that will pay the price
But thing I know if the far right wants fight we minorities will not take things lying down! Our parents have fought way to hard to go backwards now.
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Serious disorder is now taking place in Hull
https://x.com/bmay/status/1819765667073056893
Anyone claiming "legitimate concerns" can fuck right off
Definitely not people simply being 'stifled" by the elite on having a "legitimate debate about immigration."
This is a very different sport to what I played at school.
We are pitching into hell
I’m not really sure how to gauge what’s happening. It seems to be getting worse but then I’m dubious about the stuff on X now. TikTok seems to have quite stark live videos of events - mostly in the north - of unrest.
Treat them exactly the same as they treated the rioters after the riots over the death of drug dealer Hacksaw Mark Duggan.
This is just blatant criminality. All the perps should be arrested, prosecuted and if found guilty suffer the consequences.
It does not diminish concerns as to the direction of the country people may have.
Brits always smash the fascists, from Cable Street to the National Front.
We'll smash these bunch of twats you seem eager to embolden/defend.
I mean this with all kindness, but you're turning into a late era Plato, and I really don't want that.
Violent crime is down 28% in England and and Wales since the pandemic (2020). Ofcourse immigration has surged massively since then, including the small boats.
Total crime down 17%.
We might feel like it's going up but we do need to use statistics and fact. Two people can have different feelings about the same topic.
Immigration itself is not increasing crime. Despite pockets of crime committed by people if colour
The Mail is whipping its readers into a similar frenzy of fear, for instance. Another total and spectacular failure of the British press' s marvellous system on "self-regulation".
Total social media bollx.
Then I can spend weeks comparing him to Dominic Raab with the full support of PB lefties who disapprove of such things.
We have seen an unprecedented surge in immigration and despite our feelings crime is not up because of it
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67161967.amp
Comparing the availability of videos of incidents with any points in history beyond the last few years is utterly pointless. And having lived and worked in various areas in London myself, I certainly haven't seen a rise in crime in person.
A lovely sunny day with Llandudno full of tourists enjoying its attractions, and driving home from Asda past the RNLI boathouse on the promenade, with lots of people on the Summit of the Little Orme taking in the fantastic views it is hard to realise what is happening in our Cities and Towns with rioting that is just horrible to witness
It seems it is mainly active in all those towns left behind with successive governments and it does raise profound questions as to why now and how it can be defused
I really do fear that this is not something that will be resolved easily, or soon, no matter how many agitators are jailed and it really is the first major crises for Starmer and his government
The word sweep doing a hell of a lot of lifting there.
Incidentally @SandraMc might bw on to something. There is a faint hint of oddness to the place. Obvs Béziers is the town where they famously slaughtered all the heretics - “slay them all; God will know his own”
But there is also a hot fast strange wind blowing. Like a hot mistral. Shutters banging. Babies crying
LE DARK NOOM EST ICI
It is increasingly difficult to have confidence in recorded crime when the only point in reporting anything is to get an insurance number. Peoples perceptions are distorted by overly dramatic media coverage but do we really believe crime is falling?
it’s all too real
Haven’t there always been sporadic outbursts from young white yobs in Britain? Or do we think this daily kick-off is something new, perhaps super-charged by social media?
The big one that definitely isn't getting picked up, fraud.
I was a "victim" (I didn't personally lose money, other people did) of a common insurance scam, where people sell insurance online to mostly young people and they register the insurance using details of somebody else and use a stolen credit card. I was put on 10+ vehicles in a week across different insurances. I of course queried this and the insurance companies just shrugged and said yeah yeah, happens every day, all sorted, and I said, do I need to ring the police etc, no no, just report it to fraud non-profit (I can't remember name off the top of my head). I did, never got a response.
It is why we have the British Crime Survey, but we have seen how much trouble polling companies have getting representative samples these days.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/crimeinenglandandwales/yearendingseptember2023#:~:text=6.-,Violence,the year ending September 2022
On a day like today, with everything that's going on, a little bit less anger in the air can't hurt.
In the midst of dealing with disorder in Stoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire Police issued a statement debunking claims that a stabbing had taken place.
“We can confirm this information is false and no stabbings have been reported to police or emergency responders, despite videos fuelling speculation on social media.
“We can confirm a man was injured after being hit by a blunt object that was thrown. His injuries are not thought to be serious and he has been taken to hospital for treatment,” the force said.
Four men were arrested over the incident.
Guradian
Indeed London feels more violent now - to me - than it has for a decade or two; tho it felt a lot worse in the grotty early-mid 80s. Purely anecdotal (apart from the shoplifting, which I have witnessed)
Anyway, it'll soon be first bell in the second dog, and time to find that bottle of Provencal rose in the fridge and settle down with a decent book while the home grown Arran Pilots cook.
We can confirm a man was injured after being hit by a blunt object that was thrown. His injuries are not thought to be serious and he has been taken to hospital for treatment.
So not fake news other than in the technicality sense.
Which is why was cautious and said that it *appears* that they had been stabbed rather than saying they had been as the twitter reports accompanying the videos.
I also refrained from speculating as to who the perpetrators were.
Maybe it was joy riding and now its stolen to order to ship abroad, perhaps there was a lot more joy riding, but in recent years cars stolen to order for export / ripped for parts, is a major problem.
What I suspect has happened is that shoplifting and low-level crimes - vandalism, flytipping - and even general social nuisance like the habit of listening to iPhones on full volume on public transport - have all escalated.
This all gives the sense of rising menace.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/crimeinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2023#:~:text=This was a 20% rise,March 2020 (540,870 offences).
I think we have gone through a cycle. 80s cars were dead easy to nick. All those cosworths that would go every day. The 2000s, it started getting trickier. And then some moron thought that keyless entry and reprogrammable keys was a genius idea, along with a port in your car that anybody can plug into and talk to the internal computer.
https://x.com/ryanskars/status/1819781304394695091?s=61&t=GGp3Vs1t1kTWDiyA-odnZg
And what is happening here?
https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1819765546721722495?s=61&t=GGp3Vs1t1kTWDiyA-odnZg
There’s a zillion vids and pix
Hear me out. As the next CEO of Boeing, Ortberg is taking over a once-mighty American institution that’s languishing in its dirtbag era, like a star high school quarterback who let himself go after graduation and can’t shut up about the glory days.
There’s a laundry list of problems Ortberg will have to confront on Day One, and he’ll be operating under intense scrutiny from a rabid audience of shareholders, regulators, customers and even the FBI." source: https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/01/business/boeing-new-ceo-kelly-ortberg-nightcap/index.html
(Mostly.)
He seems to have the right experience, from what I have read, and he has already made a good decision, to bring the headquarters back home to the Seattle area.
(I am appalled by the pay, and the payoff, his predecessor is getting.)
We could do with some classic British summertime rain before it escalates further.
An eyewitness report in the link above. A group of 'English lads' were on one side of the street throwing bricks, then a group of 'Muslim lads' appeared down the street. One person was hit on the head with a hammer, who you can see in the background of the video. He appears to be 'up' (i.e. not dead or unconscious) by the end of the video.
So while it's entirely wrong to say there are Muslims going round stabbing 'English' on the streets, as some people are saying on Twitter, today hasn't exactly been a day of racial harmony, either.
I fear things will escalate after nightfall.
You really do lose touch of things even if, when I lived in London, I wouldn’t have first hand experience of a race riot.
Another example, I cannot understand at all why a Jenrick appears to be front-runner to take over the Conservatives. From this distance he appears to be electoral kryptonite.
A friend of mine who is quite vulnerable had people come to his door and offer to cut his hedges for him. They did about 1.5 hrs work and charged him £500. They demanded a cheque off him to ensure that they were going to come back in October to complete the work, supposedly. He got the cheque stopped and told them to go away (other words may have been used) when they came back to complain about that. No police involvement at any time. What's the point?
I am not sure that he would have reported himself of being the victim of fraud to the BCS either, if anyone had ever asked. But it was.
Also, how much crime goes unreported. I was technically “mugged” about a year ago, a kid came swanning by on a pushbike and plucked my iPhone from my foolish hands (googling as I walked). I guess that is technically a violent crime but it didn’t feel violent, I just felt like a twonk for being robbed so easily
And of course I didn’t go to the cops. What would they do. I had insurance. Vodafone replaced it next day
So a crime happened and no one notes it down
Far right: *conducts race war*
Far right: "Told you!"
The plasma screen riots simply needed the coppers to get a grip - and they did, It was mindless stupidity and - belatedly - it was crushed, Sadly this is of a different level of seriousness as it has such potential for escalation, and now a Rubicon has been crossed
The 2010 riots felt surreal; this feels darkly ominous
One group is a bunch of violent thugs who base their thuggery, sociopathy and hatred on misunderstanding books they haven’t read and history that is fictional.
The other….
I can remember plenty of people telling me the “we must condemn but understand the grievances thing” about Capn. Hooky and his crew.