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How Britain voted – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,164
edited August 4 in General
How Britain voted – politicalbetting.com

Each pollster has a slightly different take on the 2024 UK election from their mega samples. For me the most interesting aspect of this data set was @IpsosUK finding of a direct collapse of Conservative support to Labour amongst ABs which online panels didn’t pick up as well. https://t.co/432KurwnZq

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,642
    FPT
    Sandpit said:

    Latest IT screwup: Spotify.

    Their update today crashes the app if you attempt to use a Bluetooth device as the output. Don’t update it if you haven’t already.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tech/spotify-down-bug-outage-music-app-crash-bluetooth-b1173921.html

    Apple Music for the win.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,843
    Second like the Tories
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,078

    FPT

    Sandpit said:

    Latest IT screwup: Spotify.

    Their update today crashes the app if you attempt to use a Bluetooth device as the output. Don’t update it if you haven’t already.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tech/spotify-down-bug-outage-music-app-crash-bluetooth-b1173921.html

    Apple Music for the win.
    Or just travel with your personal string quartet.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,865
    Third like the Tories deserved
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,559
    "@YouGovAmerica
    NEW: Economist/YouGov Poll, July 27-30

    % of registered voters who plan to vote for...
    Harris: 46%
    Trump: 44%

    July 21-23 poll:
    Trump: 44%
    Harris: 41%

    https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_5LIBPv8.pdf#page=8"

    https://x.com/YouGovAmerica/status/1818636275345150185
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,843

    Just had my first glimpse of BMX gymnastics.

    Do we have a rival here to synchronised swimming for the silliest Olympic sport?

    There are a couple of older ladies at my local pool who practice synchronised swimming every so often. It's really impressive to see them do it; I can barely see any movement out of time. One of them has been doing it for forty years!

    I'd also point out they seem to practice moves for ages before they go for a bit of a routine. It seems to be a bit like a jigsaw; the entire thing looks complex, but it comprises a whole host of simpler moves.

    It may look silly, but it's impressive.
    Nobody is arguing otherwise, but Sport? An Olympic Sport?
    Less boring than Cricket...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,642
    Andy_JS said:

    "@YouGovAmerica
    NEW: Economist/YouGov Poll, July 27-30

    % of registered voters who plan to vote for...
    Harris: 46%
    Trump: 44%

    July 21-23 poll:
    Trump: 44%
    Harris: 41%

    https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_5LIBPv8.pdf#page=8"

    https://x.com/YouGovAmerica/status/1818636275345150185

    She's got the big mo.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,091
    Nigelb said:

    FPT

    Sandpit said:

    Latest IT screwup: Spotify.

    Their update today crashes the app if you attempt to use a Bluetooth device as the output. Don’t update it if you haven’t already.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tech/spotify-down-bug-outage-music-app-crash-bluetooth-b1173921.html

    Apple Music for the win.
    Or just travel with your personal string quartet.
    There is also humming. Perhaps a jaunty whistle.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    Just had my first glimpse of BMX gymnastics.

    Do we have a rival here to synchronised swimming for the silliest Olympic sport?

    There are a couple of older ladies at my local pool who practice synchronised swimming every so often. It's really impressive to see them do it; I can barely see any movement out of time. One of them has been doing it for forty years!

    I'd also point out they seem to practice moves for ages before they go for a bit of a routine. It seems to be a bit like a jigsaw; the entire thing looks complex, but it comprises a whole host of simpler moves.

    It may look silly, but it's impressive.
    It's not a sport, and nor are many of the pointless exercises that appear in the 'Olympics' – a grossly overinflated event composed of non-sports that nobody cares about and Mickey Mouse competitions of those that people do care about.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,642
    Nigelb said:

    FPT

    Sandpit said:

    Latest IT screwup: Spotify.

    Their update today crashes the app if you attempt to use a Bluetooth device as the output. Don’t update it if you haven’t already.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tech/spotify-down-bug-outage-music-app-crash-bluetooth-b1173921.html

    Apple Music for the win.
    Or just travel with your personal string quartet.
    I once hired a violin player for a romantic dinner.

    It was great for the first minute he played then it became a bit weird and awkward afterwards.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,091
    Andy_JS said:

    "@YouGovAmerica
    NEW: Economist/YouGov Poll, July 27-30

    % of registered voters who plan to vote for...
    Harris: 46%
    Trump: 44%

    July 21-23 poll:
    Trump: 44%
    Harris: 41%

    https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_5LIBPv8.pdf#page=8"

    https://x.com/YouGovAmerica/status/1818636275345150185

    Provided she doesn't mess up the VP pick, she's going to win I think.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,902
    viewcode said:

    Nigelb said:

    FPT

    Sandpit said:

    Latest IT screwup: Spotify.

    Their update today crashes the app if you attempt to use a Bluetooth device as the output. Don’t update it if you haven’t already.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tech/spotify-down-bug-outage-music-app-crash-bluetooth-b1173921.html

    Apple Music for the win.
    Or just travel with your personal string quartet.
    There is also humming. Perhaps a jaunty whistle.
    Children do not seem to whistle these days. I blame the teachers.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    Andy_JS said:

    "@YouGovAmerica
    NEW: Economist/YouGov Poll, July 27-30

    % of registered voters who plan to vote for...
    Harris: 46%
    Trump: 44%

    July 21-23 poll:
    Trump: 44%
    Harris: 41%

    https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_5LIBPv8.pdf#page=8"

    https://x.com/YouGovAmerica/status/1818636275345150185

    She's got the big mo.
    Harris (+5)
    Trump (=0)

    It would seem so...
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,998

    eek said:

    Rachel Reeves has argued that the social care cap, set in motion by the Boris Johnson administration, is unaffordable, but her decision to scrap it represents yet another abnegation of responsibility by a government unwilling to grapple with this slow motion disaster. There ought to be a proper insurance scheme enabling people to protect themselves and their assets against the catastrophic costs of longtime social care. For various reasons, the market is unwilling to provide this, so it must fall to the Government to provide solutions. Instead, we get sticking plasters.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/30/this-is-just-the-start-of-labour-war-on-pensioners/


    Remember what happened to the last Party Leader who tried to fix Social care, she went from a reasonable majority to a coalition with the DUP to remain in power.

    Social care is sadly in the too complex, no upside, blooming expensive box which means the can will continue to be kicked down the road...
    It also should be low priority.

    People with assets paying for their own care at the end of their life - what's wrong with that?

    People with a "rainy day fund" paying for their own care when they have a rainy day - what's wrong with that?

    If the only downside is people get less of an inheritance, then taxpayers money should not be there to fund your inheritance. Get a job instead.
    Well maybe the same could be said for people requiring medical care? No? Why shouldn't they use their assets to pay for those expensive operations? What, really, is the difference?

    (Declaration. My family has seen £500k go out to pay for two grandmothers, so far. Not what the very hard-working grandfathers had hoped for.).
    I'm sorry for that, and I'm not trying to be disrespectful but what had they hoped for?
    They couldn't surely be hoping to take it with them?

    Why should those who are working very hard today, who don't have assets, be taxed to fund the protection of those who worked hard in the past?

    Especially since most value in property "assets" especially weren't worked for and are the result of house prices rising. If that unearned gain is lost then it may not be what you hoped for, but nor is it what those who are working hard today should be getting taxed in order for anyone to avoid.
    What had they hoped for?

    To pass on at least some of the assets they had built up over 40+ years of pretty demanding employment to their nearest and dearest family members.

    It's actually a fairly common human instinct. And arguably helps to promote responsibility and a sense that we owe something to the future. Not to be despised.
    I don't despise it.

    And if there's anything left over after they've spent their own money on their own care they can do so. And if they spend it all on themselves, that's entirely reasonable too.

    However those who are doing demanding employment today shouldn't be taxed to fund an unearned inheritance for others. That's not what taxes are there for.

    If you want a state level "insurance" then a Dilnot policy ring fenced out of inheritance tax would be a form of insurance - those getting an inheritance would have the bulk of their inheritance be insured via that tax.

    But it's not something those working today should be paying for.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    FPT

    Sandpit said:

    Latest IT screwup: Spotify.

    Their update today crashes the app if you attempt to use a Bluetooth device as the output. Don’t update it if you haven’t already.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tech/spotify-down-bug-outage-music-app-crash-bluetooth-b1173921.html

    Apple Music for the win.
    Yeah, it's a far superior platform. Also works with Djay, which Spotify does not.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,642
    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "@YouGovAmerica
    NEW: Economist/YouGov Poll, July 27-30

    % of registered voters who plan to vote for...
    Harris: 46%
    Trump: 44%

    July 21-23 poll:
    Trump: 44%
    Harris: 41%

    https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_5LIBPv8.pdf#page=8"

    https://x.com/YouGovAmerica/status/1818636275345150185

    Provided she doesn't mess up the VP pick, she's going to win I think.
    Kamala Harris: Basil II

    Donald Trump: Samuel of Bulgaria

    2024 election = The Battle of Kleidion

    (I fucking hope, I am still scarred by 2016.)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,843

    Nigelb said:

    FPT

    Sandpit said:

    Latest IT screwup: Spotify.

    Their update today crashes the app if you attempt to use a Bluetooth device as the output. Don’t update it if you haven’t already.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tech/spotify-down-bug-outage-music-app-crash-bluetooth-b1173921.html

    Apple Music for the win.
    Or just travel with your personal string quartet.
    I once hired a violin player for a romantic dinner.

    It was great for the first minute he played then it became a bit weird and awkward afterwards.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M4UTbXgX-c
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,902
    FPT
    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Theodore Dalrymple
    Cultural Decay Can Hardly Go Further
    On France’s sordid Olympic spectacle"

    https://www.city-journal.org/article/on-frances-sordid-olympic-spectacle

    I can't help thinking that it is not necessary that Dalrymple be pleased, but that the French people were. Were they?
    According to The Rest is Entertainment, the French audience loved the Olympics opening ceremony which the rest of us can agree was not a patch on Beijing or London.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM7IopG38Uk&t=2205s

    French television and audience tastes are in a world of their own, apparently. There was (and could be) no rehearsal, and commentators were not given the schedule, so were left to their own devices to identify torch bearers, singers and so on.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,586
    Okay, so judging by the last thread I’m in a small minority who believes in local taxation being set by local property prices, rather than a national scale of property prices which totally screws half the country south of Birmingham, and makes it pretty much impossible to live anywhere near London if you’re a key worker or in the service industry.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,974

    Nigelb said:

    FPT

    Sandpit said:

    Latest IT screwup: Spotify.

    Their update today crashes the app if you attempt to use a Bluetooth device as the output. Don’t update it if you haven’t already.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tech/spotify-down-bug-outage-music-app-crash-bluetooth-b1173921.html

    Apple Music for the win.
    Or just travel with your personal string quartet.
    I once hired a violin player for a romantic dinner.

    It was great for the first minute he played then it became a bit weird and awkward afterwards.
    Abide With Me not the best choice for a tune. Still, gave you the chance to use that going down like the Titanic line you'd been saving.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,998
    Sandpit said:

    Okay, so judging by the last thread I’m in a small minority who believes in local taxation being set by local property prices, rather than a national scale of property prices which totally screws half the country south of Birmingham, and makes it pretty much impossible to live anywhere near London if you’re a key worker or in the service industry.

    You say local expenditure, but do you agree that nationally mandated expenditure, like care or SEN provision, should be funded by the national government making those demands?
  • Just had my first glimpse of BMX gymnastics.

    Do we have a rival here to synchronised swimming for the silliest Olympic sport?

    There are a couple of older ladies at my local pool who practice synchronised swimming every so often. It's really impressive to see them do it; I can barely see any movement out of time. One of them has been doing it for forty years!

    I'd also point out they seem to practice moves for ages before they go for a bit of a routine. It seems to be a bit like a jigsaw; the entire thing looks complex, but it comprises a whole host of simpler moves.

    It may look silly, but it's impressive.
    Nobody is arguing otherwise, but Sport? An Olympic Sport?
    Less boring than Cricket...
    Great Britain are the current gold medal holders for cricket in the Olympic Games.

    I understand that cricket may well be an olympic sport for 2028.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,370

    Nigelb said:

    FPT

    Sandpit said:

    Latest IT screwup: Spotify.

    Their update today crashes the app if you attempt to use a Bluetooth device as the output. Don’t update it if you haven’t already.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tech/spotify-down-bug-outage-music-app-crash-bluetooth-b1173921.html

    Apple Music for the win.
    Or just travel with your personal string quartet.
    I once hired a violin player for a romantic dinner...then it became a bit weird and awkward afterwards.
    You have a lot in common with Boris Johnson.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,649
    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "@YouGovAmerica
    NEW: Economist/YouGov Poll, July 27-30

    % of registered voters who plan to vote for...
    Harris: 46%
    Trump: 44%

    July 21-23 poll:
    Trump: 44%
    Harris: 41%

    https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_5LIBPv8.pdf#page=8"

    https://x.com/YouGovAmerica/status/1818636275345150185

    Provided she doesn't mess up the VP pick, she's going to win I think.
    Apparently she's going for Ben Shapiro. Obviously some kind of 4D move.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,415

    viewcode said:

    Nigelb said:

    FPT

    Sandpit said:

    Latest IT screwup: Spotify.

    Their update today crashes the app if you attempt to use a Bluetooth device as the output. Don’t update it if you haven’t already.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tech/spotify-down-bug-outage-music-app-crash-bluetooth-b1173921.html

    Apple Music for the win.
    Or just travel with your personal string quartet.
    There is also humming. Perhaps a jaunty whistle.
    Children do not seem to whistle these days.
    That's not a bad thing.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,998

    Just had my first glimpse of BMX gymnastics.

    Do we have a rival here to synchronised swimming for the silliest Olympic sport?

    There are a couple of older ladies at my local pool who practice synchronised swimming every so often. It's really impressive to see them do it; I can barely see any movement out of time. One of them has been doing it for forty years!

    I'd also point out they seem to practice moves for ages before they go for a bit of a routine. It seems to be a bit like a jigsaw; the entire thing looks complex, but it comprises a whole host of simpler moves.

    It may look silly, but it's impressive.
    Nobody is arguing otherwise, but Sport? An Olympic Sport?
    Less boring than Cricket...
    Great Britain are the current gold medal holders for cricket in the Olympic Games.

    I understand that cricket may well be an olympic sport for 2028.
    In Los Angeles?

    Some mistake surely?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,559
    Don't know if this has been flagged up yet on here.

    "Stats for Lefties 🍉🏳️‍⚧️
    @LeftieStats
    🚨 NEW: David Lammy confirms Labour has DITCHED its plans to recognise a Palestinian state.

    Labour will instead delay recognition indefinitely, making it conditional on Israel feeling "safe and secure" as part of a "credible" and "viable" peace process."

    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/1818241569691963547
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,586
    edited July 31

    Sandpit said:

    Okay, so judging by the last thread I’m in a small minority who believes in local taxation being set by local property prices, rather than a national scale of property prices which totally screws half the country south of Birmingham, and makes it pretty much impossible to live anywhere near London if you’re a key worker or in the service industry.

    You say local expenditure, but do you agree that nationally mandated expenditure, like care or SEN provision, should be funded by the national government making those demands?
    I think the taxation and spending should be as local as possible.

    Under the current CT system, a two-bed apartment anywhere in the country roughly pays the same amount of council tax, and a three-bed house also pays pretty much the same anywhere.

    Now, there’s arguments for a revaluation to catch areas that have gentrified over the past 30 years, and there’s arguments for adding more bands, but the basic princple of council tax is sound.

    The problems come when people say that “A Band D property in Richmond, London, pays way less council tax than a Bad D property in Richmond, Yorkshire”. Well that’s because the London property is a small flat and the Yorkshire one a large house. It’s a fundamental misunderstanding of how local taxes work, and the media don’t understand it either because they all live in London.

    Anything that, as with stamp duty, uses a national scale of house prices to determine taxes paid, will make the poll tax riots look like a minor scuffle in the pub at closing time.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,020
    edited July 31
    Huw Edwards pleads guilty to possessing indecent images of children ‘as young as seven’. Edwards “was not only of good character but of exemplary character”, Mr Evans said,

    Getting sacked from your job for inappropriate interacts with a vulnerable young person amongst other things rather disqualifies you from playing the exemplary character card.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,405
    Andy_JS said:

    Don't know if this has been flagged up yet on here.

    "Stats for Lefties 🍉🏳️‍⚧️
    @LeftieStats
    🚨 NEW: David Lammy confirms Labour has DITCHED its plans to recognise a Palestinian state.

    Labour will instead delay recognition indefinitely, making it conditional on Israel feeling "safe and secure" as part of a "credible" and "viable" peace process."

    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/1818241569691963547

    Yes but it's David Lammy

    He probably thinks he's dealing with Emperor Palestine and the wookies run Israel
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "@YouGovAmerica
    NEW: Economist/YouGov Poll, July 27-30

    % of registered voters who plan to vote for...
    Harris: 46%
    Trump: 44%

    July 21-23 poll:
    Trump: 44%
    Harris: 41%

    https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_5LIBPv8.pdf#page=8"

    https://x.com/YouGovAmerica/status/1818636275345150185

    Provided she doesn't mess up the VP pick, she's going to win I think.
    Apparently she's going for Ben Shapiro. Obviously some kind of 4D move.
    She has said not to read too much into the location of the announcement.

    It's perfectly possible that someone will be getting the nod but Mr Shapiro speaks at the rally.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,586

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "@YouGovAmerica
    NEW: Economist/YouGov Poll, July 27-30

    % of registered voters who plan to vote for...
    Harris: 46%
    Trump: 44%

    July 21-23 poll:
    Trump: 44%
    Harris: 41%

    https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_5LIBPv8.pdf#page=8"

    https://x.com/YouGovAmerica/status/1818636275345150185

    Provided she doesn't mess up the VP pick, she's going to win I think.
    Apparently she's going for Ben Shapiro. Obviously some kind of 4D move.
    A fast-talking Jewish Conservative would certainly balance the ticket.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370

    Just had my first glimpse of BMX gymnastics.

    Do we have a rival here to synchronised swimming for the silliest Olympic sport?

    There are a couple of older ladies at my local pool who practice synchronised swimming every so often. It's really impressive to see them do it; I can barely see any movement out of time. One of them has been doing it for forty years!

    I'd also point out they seem to practice moves for ages before they go for a bit of a routine. It seems to be a bit like a jigsaw; the entire thing looks complex, but it comprises a whole host of simpler moves.

    It may look silly, but it's impressive.
    Nobody is arguing otherwise, but Sport? An Olympic Sport?
    Less boring than Cricket...
    Great Britain are the current gold medal holders for cricket in the Olympic Games.

    I understand that cricket may well be an olympic sport for 2028.
    In Los Angeles?

    Some mistake surely?
    T20 is coming into the olympics to attract an Indian audience - I expect it will be a permanent addition.

    The big issue is that the T20 world cup needs to be shifted so it's not held 2 months before the Olympics.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,020
    Andy_JS said:

    Don't know if this has been flagged up yet on here.

    "Stats for Lefties 🍉🏳️‍⚧️
    @LeftieStats
    🚨 NEW: David Lammy confirms Labour has DITCHED its plans to recognise a Palestinian state.

    Labour will instead delay recognition indefinitely, making it conditional on Israel feeling "safe and secure" as part of a "credible" and "viable" peace process."

    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/1818241569691963547

    Be interesting if they go through with the rather symbolic arms export ban now that Israel will definitely need firepower to defend itself after killing top Hamas and Hezbollah officials.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,370

    Andy_JS said:

    Don't know if this has been flagged up yet on here.

    "Stats for Lefties 🍉🏳️‍⚧️
    @LeftieStats
    🚨 NEW: David Lammy confirms Labour has DITCHED its plans to recognise a Palestinian state.

    Labour will instead delay recognition indefinitely, making it conditional on Israel feeling "safe and secure" as part of a "credible" and "viable" peace process."

    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/1818241569691963547

    Yes but it's David Lammy

    He probably thinks he's dealing with Emperor Palestine and the wookies run Israel
    It's also not what he said if you take the trouble to watch the clip. AndyJS is a little bit naughty posting a fake news far left tweet.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,020

    Andy_JS said:

    Don't know if this has been flagged up yet on here.

    "Stats for Lefties 🍉🏳️‍⚧️
    @LeftieStats
    🚨 NEW: David Lammy confirms Labour has DITCHED its plans to recognise a Palestinian state.

    Labour will instead delay recognition indefinitely, making it conditional on Israel feeling "safe and secure" as part of a "credible" and "viable" peace process."

    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/1818241569691963547

    Yes but it's David Lammy

    He probably thinks he's dealing with Emperor Palestine and the wookies run Israel
    It's also not what he said if you take the trouble to watch the clip. AndyJS is a little bit naughty posting a fake news far left tweet.
    StatsForLefties is the dodgy doctor librarian from Northern Ireland righr?
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    edited July 31
    This is a bit awkward.

    Skwakbox are claiming that Rachel Reeves got £1,200 parliamentary expenses for energy bills for her London KPs home in 2023/24 citing IPSA

    https://skwawkbox.org/2024/07/30/rachel-freeze-reeves-has-claimed-1000s-in-energy-bills-on-second-home/
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,649

    Andy_JS said:

    Don't know if this has been flagged up yet on here.

    "Stats for Lefties 🍉🏳️‍⚧️
    @LeftieStats
    🚨 NEW: David Lammy confirms Labour has DITCHED its plans to recognise a Palestinian state.

    Labour will instead delay recognition indefinitely, making it conditional on Israel feeling "safe and secure" as part of a "credible" and "viable" peace process."

    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/1818241569691963547

    Be interesting if they go through with the rather symbolic arms export ban now that Israel will definitely need firepower to defend itself after killing top Hamas and Hezbollah officials.
    Some of the Iran cheerleaders on social media seem to think they're a blusted flush and are giving up on them.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,370

    Huw Edwards pleads guilty to possessing indecent images of children ‘as young as seven’. Edwards “was not only of good character but of exemplary character”, Mr Evans said,

    Getting sacked from your job for inappropriate interacts with a vulnerable young person amongst other things rather disqualifies you from playing the exemplary character card.

    I am not defending Edwards but did you just read the headline before commenting?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,998
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Okay, so judging by the last thread I’m in a small minority who believes in local taxation being set by local property prices, rather than a national scale of property prices which totally screws half the country south of Birmingham, and makes it pretty much impossible to live anywhere near London if you’re a key worker or in the service industry.

    You say local expenditure, but do you agree that nationally mandated expenditure, like care or SEN provision, should be funded by the national government making those demands?
    I think the taxation and spending should be as local as possible.

    Under the current CT system, a two-bed apartment anywhere in the country roughly pays the same amount of council tax, and a three-bed house also pays pretty much the same anywhere.

    Now, there’s arguments for a revaluation to catch areas that have gentrified over the past 30 years, and there’s arguments for adding more bands, but the basic princple of council tax is sound.

    The problems come when people say that “A Band D property in Richmond, London, pays way less council tax than a Bad D property in Richmond, Yorkshire”. Well that’s because the London property is a small flat and the Yorkshire one a large house. It’s a fundamental misunderstanding of how local taxes work, and the media don’t understand it either because they all live in London.

    Anything that, as with stamp duty, uses a national scale of house prices to determine taxes paid, will make the poll tax riots look like a minor scuffle in the pub at closing time.
    None of that is an argument against it being the right thing to do.

    And if the expenditure is demanded nationally in laws set by Westminster then national taxation is as local as it should be.

    If it's to be local taxation it should be for demands made locally, not nationally.

    As for it being potentially unpopular, that's true, but if it's both the right thing to do and unpopular then year one of having a landslide majority is the right time do the right but unpopular thing.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,020
    edited July 31

    Huw Edwards pleads guilty to possessing indecent images of children ‘as young as seven’. Edwards “was not only of good character but of exemplary character”, Mr Evans said,

    Getting sacked from your job for inappropriate interacts with a vulnerable young person amongst other things rather disqualifies you from playing the exemplary character card.

    I am not defending Edwards but did you just read the headline before commenting?
    I commented on the previous thread, saying it is a strange case, there is clearly more going on. There is now.more detail of the sort of material he was being sent, which was unclear originally.

    My point was more laughable lawyer saying my client, most upstanding person ever...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,078

    Nigelb said:

    FPT

    Sandpit said:

    Latest IT screwup: Spotify.

    Their update today crashes the app if you attempt to use a Bluetooth device as the output. Don’t update it if you haven’t already.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tech/spotify-down-bug-outage-music-app-crash-bluetooth-b1173921.html

    Apple Music for the win.
    Or just travel with your personal string quartet.
    I once hired a violin player for a romantic dinner.

    It was great for the first minute he played then it became a bit weird and awkward afterwards.
    You could have saved a lot of you'd just hired him for a minute.

    (Just for clarification - you weren't hiring him to have a romantic dinner with you ?
    That would be a tiny bit weird.)
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,436

    Nigelb said:

    FPT

    Sandpit said:

    Latest IT screwup: Spotify.

    Their update today crashes the app if you attempt to use a Bluetooth device as the output. Don’t update it if you haven’t already.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tech/spotify-down-bug-outage-music-app-crash-bluetooth-b1173921.html

    Apple Music for the win.
    Or just travel with your personal string quartet.
    I once hired a violin player for a romantic dinner...then it became a bit weird and awkward afterwards.
    You have a lot in common with Boris Johnson.
    That has GOT to be one of the most unpleasant remarks ever made by one poster about another!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,370

    Nigelb said:

    FPT

    Sandpit said:

    Latest IT screwup: Spotify.

    Their update today crashes the app if you attempt to use a Bluetooth device as the output. Don’t update it if you haven’t already.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tech/spotify-down-bug-outage-music-app-crash-bluetooth-b1173921.html

    Apple Music for the win.
    Or just travel with your personal string quartet.
    I once hired a violin player for a romantic dinner...then it became a bit weird and awkward afterwards.
    You have a lot in common with Boris Johnson.
    That has GOT to be one of the most unpleasant remarks ever made by one poster about another!
    It was a joke about a Russian violinist. But no, you are right it turned into a very clumsy life-changing insult. My apologies.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,091
    Andy_JS said:

    Don't know if this has been flagged up yet on here.

    "Stats for Lefties 🍉🏳️‍⚧️
    @LeftieStats
    🚨 NEW: David Lammy confirms Labour has DITCHED its plans to recognise a Palestinian state.

    Labour will instead delay recognition indefinitely, making it conditional on Israel feeling "safe and secure" as part of a "credible" and "viable" peace process."

    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/1818241569691963547

    I like LeftieStats, especially their habit of highlighting Greens's unexpectedly high polling numbers in very specific constituencies which nobody else had noticed... :)
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,405
    Labour hit the sleaze path early

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnd064lx50lo
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,436
    edited July 31

    Just had my first glimpse of BMX gymnastics.

    Do we have a rival here to synchronised swimming for the silliest Olympic sport?

    There are a couple of older ladies at my local pool who practice synchronised swimming every so often. It's really impressive to see them do it; I can barely see any movement out of time. One of them has been doing it for forty years!

    I'd also point out they seem to practice moves for ages before they go for a bit of a routine. It seems to be a bit like a jigsaw; the entire thing looks complex, but it comprises a whole host of simpler moves.

    It may look silly, but it's impressive.
    Nobody is arguing otherwise, but Sport? An Olympic Sport?
    Less boring than Cricket...
    Great Britain are the current gold medal holders for cricket in the Olympic Games.

    I understand that cricket may well be an olympic sport for 2028.
    The French have the silver. I don't think the bronze was awarded.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,400

    Nigelb said:

    FPT

    Sandpit said:

    Latest IT screwup: Spotify.

    Their update today crashes the app if you attempt to use a Bluetooth device as the output. Don’t update it if you haven’t already.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tech/spotify-down-bug-outage-music-app-crash-bluetooth-b1173921.html

    Apple Music for the win.
    Or just travel with your personal string quartet.
    I once hired a violin player for a romantic dinner.

    It was great for the first minute he played then it became a bit weird and awkward afterwards.
    Abide With Me not the best choice for a tune. Still, gave you the chance to use that going down like the Titanic line you'd been saving.
    That would be Nearer My God To Thee.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,879
    Afternoon all :)

    Some interesting comparisons with 2019 - from IPSOS-MORI's own figures:

    18-24: Labour 41% (-21), Greens 19%, Liberal Democrats 16% (+7), Reform 8%, Conservative 5% (-14)
    25-34: Labour 47%, (-4), Reform 13%, Greens 12%, Liberal Democrats 11% (-), Conservatives 10% (-17)
    65+ Conservative 43% (-21), Labour 23% (+6), Reform 14%, Liberal Democrat 12% (+1), Greens 2%

    It rather gives lie to this notion all the young are embracing "right wing" politics. It was a clear rejection of the old duopoly to perhaps a new one (Greens and Liberal Democrats).
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,020
    edited July 31

    Labour hit the sleaze path early

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnd064lx50lo

    TBF, I think that is the most minor of minor ruling breaking. She has other houses rented out between her and her husband that are registered.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,586

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Okay, so judging by the last thread I’m in a small minority who believes in local taxation being set by local property prices, rather than a national scale of property prices which totally screws half the country south of Birmingham, and makes it pretty much impossible to live anywhere near London if you’re a key worker or in the service industry.

    You say local expenditure, but do you agree that nationally mandated expenditure, like care or SEN provision, should be funded by the national government making those demands?
    I think the taxation and spending should be as local as possible.

    Under the current CT system, a two-bed apartment anywhere in the country roughly pays the same amount of council tax, and a three-bed house also pays pretty much the same anywhere.

    Now, there’s arguments for a revaluation to catch areas that have gentrified over the past 30 years, and there’s arguments for adding more bands, but the basic princple of council tax is sound.

    The problems come when people say that “A Band D property in Richmond, London, pays way less council tax than a Bad D property in Richmond, Yorkshire”. Well that’s because the London property is a small flat and the Yorkshire one a large house. It’s a fundamental misunderstanding of how local taxes work, and the media don’t understand it either because they all live in London.

    Anything that, as with stamp duty, uses a national scale of house prices to determine taxes paid, will make the poll tax riots look like a minor scuffle in the pub at closing time.
    None of that is an argument against it being the right thing to do.

    And if the expenditure is demanded nationally in laws set by Westminster then national taxation is as local as it should be.

    If it's to be local taxation it should be for demands made locally, not nationally.

    As for it being potentially unpopular, that's true, but if it's both the right thing to do and unpopular then year one of having a landslide majority is the right time do the right but unpopular thing.
    No, it’s a totally mad idea. The local spending should be funded by locally-raised taxes.

    I’m arguing for localisation, you’re arguing for centralisation, both of which are valid. But the issue is that you can’t base it on a national scale of house prices, because there’s currently a massive regional inequality in house prices which will always be there. Your idea would make every housing problem in London worse than it is already, and that’s why it’s the wrong thing to do.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,370

    Andy_JS said:

    Don't know if this has been flagged up yet on here.

    "Stats for Lefties 🍉🏳️‍⚧️
    @LeftieStats
    🚨 NEW: David Lammy confirms Labour has DITCHED its plans to recognise a Palestinian state.

    Labour will instead delay recognition indefinitely, making it conditional on Israel feeling "safe and secure" as part of a "credible" and "viable" peace process."

    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/1818241569691963547

    Yes but it's David Lammy

    He probably thinks he's dealing with Emperor Palestine and the wookies run Israel
    It's also not what he said if you take the trouble to watch the clip. AndyJS is a little bit naughty posting a fake news far left tweet.
    StatsForLefties is the dodgy doctor librarian from Northern Ireland righr?
    One could interpret what Lammy said in the way it was quoted if one is a raging Corbynista. But it isn't what he said.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370

    This is a bit awkward.

    Skwakbox are claiming that Rachel Reeves got £1,200 parliamentary expenses for energy bills for her London KPs home in 2023/24 citing IPSA

    https://skwawkbox.org/2024/07/30/rachel-freeze-reeves-has-claimed-1000s-in-energy-bills-on-second-home/

    It's not at all awkward - all expenses regarding keeping a separate home are allowed expenses.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,161
    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "@YouGovAmerica
    NEW: Economist/YouGov Poll, July 27-30

    % of registered voters who plan to vote for...
    Harris: 46%
    Trump: 44%

    July 21-23 poll:
    Trump: 44%
    Harris: 41%

    https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_5LIBPv8.pdf#page=8"

    https://x.com/YouGovAmerica/status/1818636275345150185

    Provided she doesn't mess up the VP pick, she's going to win I think.
    I still think she should choose Trump.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,161

    Just had my first glimpse of BMX gymnastics.

    Do we have a rival here to synchronised swimming for the silliest Olympic sport?

    There are a couple of older ladies at my local pool who practice synchronised swimming every so often. It's really impressive to see them do it; I can barely see any movement out of time. One of them has been doing it for forty years!

    I'd also point out they seem to practice moves for ages before they go for a bit of a routine. It seems to be a bit like a jigsaw; the entire thing looks complex, but it comprises a whole host of simpler moves.

    It may look silly, but it's impressive.
    Nobody is arguing otherwise, but Sport? An Olympic Sport?
    Less boring than Cricket...
    Great Britain are the current gold medal holders for cricket in the Olympic Games.

    I understand that cricket may well be an olympic sport for 2028.
    In Los Angeles?

    Some mistake surely?
    We play cricket in LA.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,020

    Andy_JS said:

    Don't know if this has been flagged up yet on here.

    "Stats for Lefties 🍉🏳️‍⚧️
    @LeftieStats
    🚨 NEW: David Lammy confirms Labour has DITCHED its plans to recognise a Palestinian state.

    Labour will instead delay recognition indefinitely, making it conditional on Israel feeling "safe and secure" as part of a "credible" and "viable" peace process."

    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/1818241569691963547

    Yes but it's David Lammy

    He probably thinks he's dealing with Emperor Palestine and the wookies run Israel
    It's also not what he said if you take the trouble to watch the clip. AndyJS is a little bit naughty posting a fake news far left tweet.
    StatsForLefties is the dodgy doctor librarian from Northern Ireland righr?
    One could interpret what Lammy said in the way it was quoted if one is a raging Corbynista. But it isn't what he said.
    My question was is it that Dr Eoin thing who used to run green benches (or whatever it was called) and had to regularly apologise under threat of legal action to Tories for mischaracterising / twisting stats about them.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,194
    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    Some interesting comparisons with 2019 - from IPSOS-MORI's own figures:

    18-24: Labour 41% (-21), Greens 19%, Liberal Democrats 16% (+7), Reform 8%, Conservative 5% (-14)
    25-34: Labour 47%, (-4), Reform 13%, Greens 12%, Liberal Democrats 11% (-), Conservatives 10% (-17)
    65+ Conservative 43% (-21), Labour 23% (+6), Reform 14%, Liberal Democrat 12% (+1), Greens 2%

    It rather gives lie to this notion all the young are embracing "right wing" politics. It was a clear rejection of the old duopoly to perhaps a new one (Greens and Liberal Democrats).

    What about 35 - 64 ?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,998

    Huw Edwards pleads guilty to possessing indecent images of children ‘as young as seven’. Edwards “was not only of good character but of exemplary character”, Mr Evans said,

    Getting sacked from your job for inappropriate interacts with a vulnerable young person amongst other things rather disqualifies you from playing the exemplary character card.

    I am not defending Edwards but did you just read the headline before commenting?
    I commented on the previous thread, saying it is a strange case, there is clearly more going on. There is now.more detail of the sort of material he was being sent, which was unclear originally.

    My point was more laughable lawyer saying my client, most upstanding person ever...
    From the sound of it he was sent underage material, including Category A images of children aged 7-9 being abused and rather than reporting it to the Police continued to correspond with the guy for another year.

    If someone sent me an image of a 7-9 year old being abused I would not continue to correspond with or request images from that individual.

    Sick.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,879
    edited July 31

    Labour hit the sleaze path early

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnd064lx50lo

    You don't like this new Government much, do you?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,370

    Labour hit the sleaze path early

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnd064lx50lo

    TBF, I think that is the most minor of minor ruling breaking. She has other houses rented out between her and her husband that are registered.
    Cut the Field Marshal some slack. It is only three weeks in and he is still grieving.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,405
    stodge said:

    Labour hit the sleaze path early

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnd064lx50lo

    You don't like this new Government much, do you?
    Same as the old one. I didnt like that either.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,642
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    FPT

    Sandpit said:

    Latest IT screwup: Spotify.

    Their update today crashes the app if you attempt to use a Bluetooth device as the output. Don’t update it if you haven’t already.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tech/spotify-down-bug-outage-music-app-crash-bluetooth-b1173921.html

    Apple Music for the win.
    Or just travel with your personal string quartet.
    I once hired a violin player for a romantic dinner.

    It was great for the first minute he played then it became a bit weird and awkward afterwards.
    You could have saved a lot of you'd just hired him for a minute.

    (Just for clarification - you weren't hiring him to have a romantic dinner with you ?
    That would be a tiny bit weird.)
    No, my romantic dinner wasn’t with the violin player.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,586
    edited July 31
    FPT:
    Nigelb said:

    Uber is partnering with BYD to bring 100,000 EVs to the platform globally. Partnership in Europe, LatAm and later other markets. NOT the U.S. Driver financing incentives, lease terms, charging discounts and insurance help.
    https://x.com/EdLudlow/status/1818602826358026747

    Prestige win for Chinese car manufacturing.

    More evidence of Uber being one of the scummiest tech companies. They’re #2 on my personal list, behind Airbnb.

    Hope the Chinese EVs destined for Uber get a 100% tariff applied, this is a clearly an attempt by the Chinese company to get Uber’s Western lawyers and lobbyists fighting their cause.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370

    This is a bit awkward.

    Skwakbox are claiming that Rachel Reeves got £1,200 parliamentary expenses for energy bills for her London KPs home in 2023/24 citing IPSA

    https://skwawkbox.org/2024/07/30/rachel-freeze-reeves-has-claimed-1000s-in-energy-bills-on-second-home/

    2 things to add

    1) the choice of website to link to is "interesting"
    2) it's day old news that the main stream press don't seem to care about, I wonder why that is..
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,998

    This is a bit awkward.

    Skwakbox are claiming that Rachel Reeves got £1,200 parliamentary expenses for energy bills for her London KPs home in 2023/24 citing IPSA

    https://skwawkbox.org/2024/07/30/rachel-freeze-reeves-has-claimed-1000s-in-energy-bills-on-second-home/

    One of the earliest changes I'd have made in Liz Truss's position would have been to ban politicians from claiming any parliamentary expenses for energy costs. How dare they legislate to make energy more expensive and pass their part of that bill to the taxpayer?
    Now there's something I can agree with you on!
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,405
    edited July 31

    Labour hit the sleaze path early

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnd064lx50lo

    TBF, I think that is the most minor of minor ruling breaking. She has other houses rented out between her and her husband that are registered.
    It's our starter for ten.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,370

    Andy_JS said:

    Don't know if this has been flagged up yet on here.

    "Stats for Lefties 🍉🏳️‍⚧️
    @LeftieStats
    🚨 NEW: David Lammy confirms Labour has DITCHED its plans to recognise a Palestinian state.

    Labour will instead delay recognition indefinitely, making it conditional on Israel feeling "safe and secure" as part of a "credible" and "viable" peace process."

    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/1818241569691963547

    Yes but it's David Lammy

    He probably thinks he's dealing with Emperor Palestine and the wookies run Israel
    It's also not what he said if you take the trouble to watch the clip. AndyJS is a little bit naughty posting a fake news far left tweet.
    StatsForLefties is the dodgy doctor librarian from Northern Ireland righr?
    One could interpret what Lammy said in the way it was quoted if one is a raging Corbynista. But it isn't what he said.
    My question was is it that Dr Eoin thing who used to run green benches (or whatever it was called) and had to regularly apologise under threat of legal action to Tories for mischaracterising / twisting stats about them.
    I don't know, they are often quoted on the Novara YouTube channel.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,727

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    FPT

    Sandpit said:

    Latest IT screwup: Spotify.

    Their update today crashes the app if you attempt to use a Bluetooth device as the output. Don’t update it if you haven’t already.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tech/spotify-down-bug-outage-music-app-crash-bluetooth-b1173921.html

    Apple Music for the win.
    Or just travel with your personal string quartet.
    I once hired a violin player for a romantic dinner.

    It was great for the first minute he played then it became a bit weird and awkward afterwards.
    You could have saved a lot of you'd just hired him for a minute.

    (Just for clarification - you weren't hiring him to have a romantic dinner with you ?
    That would be a tiny bit weird.)
    No, my romantic dinner wasn’t with the violin player.
    The soup course is challenging while playing a violin
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,405

    Labour hit the sleaze path early

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnd064lx50lo

    TBF, I think that is the most minor of minor ruling breaking. She has other houses rented out between her and her husband that are registered.
    Cut the Field Marshal some slack. It is only three weeks in and he is still grieving.
    Since I didnt vote for the last govt there;s nothing to grieve about only the depressing certainty that Reeves is going to fk things up.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,400
    eek said:

    This is a bit awkward.

    Skwakbox are claiming that Rachel Reeves got £1,200 parliamentary expenses for energy bills for her London KPs home in 2023/24 citing IPSA

    https://skwawkbox.org/2024/07/30/rachel-freeze-reeves-has-claimed-1000s-in-energy-bills-on-second-home/

    2 things to add

    1) the choice of website to link to is "interesting"
    2) it's day old news that the main stream press don't seem to care about, I wonder why that is..
    I'm amazed Skwawkbox is still going.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,370

    Labour hit the sleaze path early

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnd064lx50lo

    TBF, I think that is the most minor of minor ruling breaking. She has other houses rented out between her and her husband that are registered.
    Cut the Field Marshal some slack. It is only three weeks in and he is still grieving.
    Since I didnt vote for the last govt there;s nothing to grieve about only the depressing certainty that Reeves is going to fk things up.
    Surely the golden legacy she inherited from the last Government remains safe.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,405

    Labour hit the sleaze path early

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnd064lx50lo

    TBF, I think that is the most minor of minor ruling breaking. She has other houses rented out between her and her husband that are registered.
    Cut the Field Marshal some slack. It is only three weeks in and he is still grieving.
    Since I didnt vote for the last govt there;s nothing to grieve about only the depressing certainty that Reeves is going to fk things up.
    Surely the golden legacy she inherited from the last Government remains safe.
    You forget that legacy would have been even more golden if she had been CoE during Covid.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,438

    This is a bit awkward.

    Skwakbox are claiming that Rachel Reeves got £1,200 parliamentary expenses for energy bills for her London KPs home in 2023/24 citing IPSA

    https://skwawkbox.org/2024/07/30/rachel-freeze-reeves-has-claimed-1000s-in-energy-bills-on-second-home/

    One of the earliest changes I'd have made in Liz Truss's position would have been to ban politicians from claiming any parliamentary expenses for energy costs. How dare they legislate to make energy more expensive and pass their part of that bill to the taxpayer?
    Now there's something I can agree with you on!
    Haha - I am glad.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370
    edited July 31

    Labour hit the sleaze path early

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnd064lx50lo

    TBF, I think that is the most minor of minor ruling breaking. She has other houses rented out between her and her husband that are registered.
    Cut the Field Marshal some slack. It is only three weeks in and he is still grieving.
    Since I didnt vote for the last govt there;s nothing to grieve about only the depressing certainty that Reeves is going to fk things up.
    Given what she has inherited - not completely fk things up will take a miracle worker...


    Note the differences in opinion here - I know it's Hunt's fked up NI cuts that have created a lot of the problems, you are pretending that those tax cuts were not a desperate attempt to win some votes.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,091

    Andy_JS said:

    Don't know if this has been flagged up yet on here.

    "Stats for Lefties 🍉🏳️‍⚧️
    @LeftieStats
    🚨 NEW: David Lammy confirms Labour has DITCHED its plans to recognise a Palestinian state.

    Labour will instead delay recognition indefinitely, making it conditional on Israel feeling "safe and secure" as part of a "credible" and "viable" peace process."

    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/1818241569691963547

    Yes but it's David Lammy

    He probably thinks he's dealing with Emperor Palestine and the wookies run Israel
    It's also not what he said if you take the trouble to watch the clip. AndyJS is a little bit naughty posting a fake news far left tweet.
    StatsForLefties is the dodgy doctor librarian from Northern Ireland righr?
    If memory serves, that would be the Northern Irish cisgender Dr Eoin Clarke, who as a PhD is perfectly entitled to use the honorific "Dr", as is our illustrious God Of All Trains Dr Sunil Prasannan. Dr Clarke used to run the blog http://www.greenbenchesuk.com/, formerly http://eoin-clarke.blogspot.com/, which was linked to from PB in the old days

    StatsForLefties is the English non-binary statistician Ell Folan, who runs https://statsforlefties.wordpress.com/

    They are probably not the same person.

    :):):):):):)
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,370

    Huw Edwards pleads guilty to possessing indecent images of children ‘as young as seven’. Edwards “was not only of good character but of exemplary character”, Mr Evans said,

    Getting sacked from your job for inappropriate interacts with a vulnerable young person amongst other things rather disqualifies you from playing the exemplary character card.

    I am not defending Edwards but did you just read the headline before commenting?
    I commented on the previous thread, saying it is a strange case, there is clearly more going on. There is now.more detail of the sort of material he was being sent, which was unclear originally.

    My point was more laughable lawyer saying my client, most upstanding person ever...
    From the sound of it he was sent underage material, including Category A images of children aged 7-9 being abused and rather than reporting it to the Police continued to correspond with the guy for another year.

    If someone sent me an image of a 7-9 year old being abused I would not continue to correspond with or request images from that individual.

    Sick.
    Put like that, you do have a point.

    Man, this place is so calm this afternoon without you know who's shouty posts.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,020
    edited July 31
    ydoethur said:

    eek said:

    This is a bit awkward.

    Skwakbox are claiming that Rachel Reeves got £1,200 parliamentary expenses for energy bills for her London KPs home in 2023/24 citing IPSA

    https://skwawkbox.org/2024/07/30/rachel-freeze-reeves-has-claimed-1000s-in-energy-bills-on-second-home/

    2 things to add

    1) the choice of website to link to is "interesting"
    2) it's day old news that the main stream press don't seem to care about, I wonder why that is..
    I'm amazed Skwawkbox is still going.
    All the Maomentum lot have got to get their news from somewhere...no idea about Skwawkbox or The Canary, but I think it can be rather profitable endeavour to be in these left / right wing niches. Owen Jones makes more money than ever and I presume LoutsEaters (the Carl Benjamin thing) is extremely profitable given a fancy studio.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,405
    eek said:

    Labour hit the sleaze path early

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnd064lx50lo

    TBF, I think that is the most minor of minor ruling breaking. She has other houses rented out between her and her husband that are registered.
    Cut the Field Marshal some slack. It is only three weeks in and he is still grieving.
    Since I didnt vote for the last govt there;s nothing to grieve about only the depressing certainty that Reeves is going to fk things up.
    Given what she has inherited - not completing fk things up will take a miracle worker...

    She's no miracle worker, Given old Sir Shifty claims he is ruthless you have to wonder if she'll last the course.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,194
    eek said:

    Labour hit the sleaze path early

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnd064lx50lo

    TBF, I think that is the most minor of minor ruling breaking. She has other houses rented out between her and her husband that are registered.
    Cut the Field Marshal some slack. It is only three weeks in and he is still grieving.
    Since I didnt vote for the last govt there;s nothing to grieve about only the depressing certainty that Reeves is going to fk things up.
    Given what she has inherited - not completely fk things up will take a miracle worker...


    Note the differences in opinion here - I know it's Hunt's fked up NI cuts that have created a lot of the problems, you are pretending that those tax cuts were not a desperate attempt to win some votes.
    There was nothing preventing Labour from reversing it if they had so wished.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,020
    edited July 31
    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Don't know if this has been flagged up yet on here.

    "Stats for Lefties 🍉🏳️‍⚧️
    @LeftieStats
    🚨 NEW: David Lammy confirms Labour has DITCHED its plans to recognise a Palestinian state.

    Labour will instead delay recognition indefinitely, making it conditional on Israel feeling "safe and secure" as part of a "credible" and "viable" peace process."

    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/1818241569691963547

    Yes but it's David Lammy

    He probably thinks he's dealing with Emperor Palestine and the wookies run Israel
    It's also not what he said if you take the trouble to watch the clip. AndyJS is a little bit naughty posting a fake news far left tweet.
    StatsForLefties is the dodgy doctor librarian from Northern Ireland righr?
    If memory serves, that would be the Northern Irish cisgender Dr Eoin Clarke, who as a PhD is perfectly entitled to use the honorific "Dr", as is our illustrious God Of All Trains Dr Sunil Prasannan. Dr Clarke used to run the blog http://www.greenbenchesuk.com/, formerly http://eoin-clarke.blogspot.com/, which was linked to from PB in the old days

    StatsForLefties is the English non-binary statistician Ell Folan, who runs https://statsforlefties.wordpress.com/

    They are probably not the same person.

    :):):):):):)
    Stand corrected. So similar in style, highly selective stats / comments and twist them.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,586

    ydoethur said:

    eek said:

    This is a bit awkward.

    Skwakbox are claiming that Rachel Reeves got £1,200 parliamentary expenses for energy bills for her London KPs home in 2023/24 citing IPSA

    https://skwawkbox.org/2024/07/30/rachel-freeze-reeves-has-claimed-1000s-in-energy-bills-on-second-home/

    2 things to add

    1) the choice of website to link to is "interesting"
    2) it's day old news that the main stream press don't seem to care about, I wonder why that is..
    I'm amazed Skwawkbox is still going.
    All the Maomentum lot have got to get their news from somewhere...no idea about Skwawkbox or The Canary, but I think it can be rather profitable endeavour to be in these left / right wing niches. Owen Jones makes more money than ever and I presume LoutsEaters (the Carl Benjamin thing) is extremely profitable given a fancy studio.
    There’s an international, especially in the US, market for these fringe views.

    Russell Brand now has nearly 7m Youtube subscribers, and the Lotus Eaters guys did a tour of the US conservative podcasts around the RNC.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,078
    Cohort study of cardiovascular safety of different COVID-19 vaccination doses among 46 million adults in England

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-49634-x
    This study used whole population longitudinal health records from over 45.7 million adults in England to quantify associations of first, second and booster doses of COVID-19 vaccine brands used during the first two years of the UK vaccine rollout with the incidence of arterial and venous thromboses, thrombocytopenia and myocarditis. Estimated hazard ratios were adjusted for a wide range of potential confounders. The incidence of thrombotic and cardiovascular complications was generally lower after each dose of each vaccine brand. Exceptions, consistent with previous findings that have been recognised by medicines regulators, included rare complications of the ChAdOx1 vaccine (ICVT and thrombocytopenia, due to vaccine-induced immune thrombocytopenia and thrombosis) and the mRNA vaccines (myocarditis and pericarditis). There were few differences between subgroups defined by demographic and clinical characteristics. These findings, in conjunction with the long-term higher risk of severe cardiovascular and other complications associated with COVID-19, offer compelling evidence supporting the net cardiovascular benefit of COVID vaccination.

    The strengths of this study lie in the representativeness of the whole population data, offering an overview of thrombotic events after vaccination, as well as the comprehensive analyses of different vaccine dose and brand combinations in the general population. Consequently, the findings should apply to nations with comparable demographics and healthcare systems. The very large sample size facilitated estimation of associations with rare outcomes, within time periods after vaccination, and within population subgroups. The extensive longitudinal coverage of the health records also allowed examination of events after the first, second, and booster vaccinations. We addressed potential confounding by adjusting for a wide-range of demographic factors and prior diagnoses available in primary and secondary care records, defined using clinician-validated code lists that are accessible via our GitHub repository (available at https://github.com/BHFDSC/CCU002_06). Our analysis adhered to a pre-specified protocol with one deviation: we censored all analyses 26 weeks after vaccination to avoid interference from subsequent vaccinations..
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,436

    Huw Edwards pleads guilty to possessing indecent images of children ‘as young as seven’. Edwards “was not only of good character but of exemplary character”, Mr Evans said,

    Getting sacked from your job for inappropriate interacts with a vulnerable young person amongst other things rather disqualifies you from playing the exemplary character card.

    I am not defending Edwards but did you just read the headline before commenting?
    I commented on the previous thread, saying it is a strange case, there is clearly more going on. There is now.more detail of the sort of material he was being sent, which was unclear originally.

    My point was more laughable lawyer saying my client, most upstanding person ever...
    From the sound of it he was sent underage material, including Category A images of children aged 7-9 being abused and rather than reporting it to the Police continued to correspond with the guy for another year.

    If someone sent me an image of a 7-9 year old being abused I would not continue to correspond with or request images from that individual.

    Sick.
    Put like that, you do have a point.

    Man, this place is so calm this afternoon without you know who's shouty posts.
    Has he been banned again?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,020
    edited July 31
    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    eek said:

    This is a bit awkward.

    Skwakbox are claiming that Rachel Reeves got £1,200 parliamentary expenses for energy bills for her London KPs home in 2023/24 citing IPSA

    https://skwawkbox.org/2024/07/30/rachel-freeze-reeves-has-claimed-1000s-in-energy-bills-on-second-home/

    2 things to add

    1) the choice of website to link to is "interesting"
    2) it's day old news that the main stream press don't seem to care about, I wonder why that is..
    I'm amazed Skwawkbox is still going.
    All the Maomentum lot have got to get their news from somewhere...no idea about Skwawkbox or The Canary, but I think it can be rather profitable endeavour to be in these left / right wing niches. Owen Jones makes more money than ever and I presume LoutsEaters (the Carl Benjamin thing) is extremely profitable given a fancy studio.
    There’s an international, especially in the US, market for these fringe views.

    Russell Brand now has nearly 7m Youtube subscribers, and the Lotus Eaters guys did a tour of the US conservative podcasts around the RNC.
    Has gone all very quiet on the investigations into Brand and also those who enabled his behaviour.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,091

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Don't know if this has been flagged up yet on here.

    "Stats for Lefties 🍉🏳️‍⚧️
    @LeftieStats
    🚨 NEW: David Lammy confirms Labour has DITCHED its plans to recognise a Palestinian state.

    Labour will instead delay recognition indefinitely, making it conditional on Israel feeling "safe and secure" as part of a "credible" and "viable" peace process."

    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/1818241569691963547

    Yes but it's David Lammy

    He probably thinks he's dealing with Emperor Palestine and the wookies run Israel
    It's also not what he said if you take the trouble to watch the clip. AndyJS is a little bit naughty posting a fake news far left tweet.
    StatsForLefties is the dodgy doctor librarian from Northern Ireland righr?
    If memory serves, that would be the Northern Irish cisgender Dr Eoin Clarke, who as a PhD is perfectly entitled to use the honorific "Dr", as is our illustrious God Of All Trains Dr Sunil Prasannan. Dr Clarke used to run the blog http://www.greenbenchesuk.com/, formerly http://eoin-clarke.blogspot.com/, which was linked to from PB in the old days

    StatsForLefties is the English non-binary statistician Ell Folan, who runs https://statsforlefties.wordpress.com/

    They are probably not the same person.

    :):):):):):)
    Stand corrected. So similar in style, highly selective stats / comments and twist them.
    Oh indeed, but that doesn't mean they can't be useful. I forget who it was who said it, but somebody once pointed out that partisan and biased sources are often very good at finding things that a more objective observer would have overlooked.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,370
    edited July 31

    Huw Edwards pleads guilty to possessing indecent images of children ‘as young as seven’. Edwards “was not only of good character but of exemplary character”, Mr Evans said,

    Getting sacked from your job for inappropriate interacts with a vulnerable young person amongst other things rather disqualifies you from playing the exemplary character card.

    I am not defending Edwards but did you just read the headline before commenting?
    I commented on the previous thread, saying it is a strange case, there is clearly more going on. There is now.more detail of the sort of material he was being sent, which was unclear originally.

    My point was more laughable lawyer saying my client, most upstanding person ever...
    From the sound of it he was sent underage material, including Category A images of children aged 7-9 being abused and rather than reporting it to the Police continued to correspond with the guy for another year.

    If someone sent me an image of a 7-9 year old being abused I would not continue to correspond with or request images from that individual.

    Sick.
    Put like that, you do have a point.

    Man, this place is so calm this afternoon without you know who's shouty posts.
    Has he been banned again?
    Possibly. It's very quiet.

    If he has, he could be on for a hatrick this week.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,749
    I had to laugh at Trump's latest social media ravings:
    "[Jewish people] are dropping Kamala and the Democrats like flies"

    As people get older, they do tend to get confused about figures of speech.
  • Huw Edwards pleads guilty to possessing indecent images of children ‘as young as seven’. Edwards “was not only of good character but of exemplary character”, Mr Evans said,

    Getting sacked from your job for inappropriate interacts with a vulnerable young person amongst other things rather disqualifies you from playing the exemplary character card.

    I am not defending Edwards but did you just read the headline before commenting?
    I commented on the previous thread, saying it is a strange case, there is clearly more going on. There is now.more detail of the sort of material he was being sent, which was unclear originally.

    My point was more laughable lawyer saying my client, most upstanding person ever...
    From the sound of it he was sent underage material, including Category A images of children aged 7-9 being abused and rather than reporting it to the Police continued to correspond with the guy for another year.

    If someone sent me an image of a 7-9 year old being abused I would not continue to correspond with or request images from that individual.

    Sick.
    Put like that, you do have a point.

    Man, this place is so calm this afternoon without you know who's shouty posts.
    Has he been banned again?
    Possibly. It's very quiet.

    If he has, he could be on for a hatrick this week.
    Banned by the look of it, what did he do this time?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,998
    eek said:

    Labour hit the sleaze path early

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnd064lx50lo

    TBF, I think that is the most minor of minor ruling breaking. She has other houses rented out between her and her husband that are registered.
    Cut the Field Marshal some slack. It is only three weeks in and he is still grieving.
    Since I didnt vote for the last govt there;s nothing to grieve about only the depressing certainty that Reeves is going to fk things up.
    Given what she has inherited - not completely fk things up will take a miracle worker...


    Note the differences in opinion here - I know it's Hunt's fked up NI cuts that have created a lot of the problems, you are pretending that those tax cuts were not a desperate attempt to win some votes.
    Garbage. Those NI cuts were the beginning of the right thing to do.

    NI should be abolished altogether.

    If you want to put Income Tax up by the same amount NI comes down then that is no change for those working for a living but to exempt some from tax is not the solution.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,436
    edited July 31
    Chris said:

    I had to laugh at Trump's latest social media ravings:
    "[Jewish people] are dropping Kamala and the Democrats like flies"

    As people get older, they do tend to get confused about figures of speech.

    Dropping flies is a Trump speciality, isn't it?

    Or am I demonstrating that I'm an older person?
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370
    edited July 31

    eek said:

    Labour hit the sleaze path early

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnd064lx50lo

    TBF, I think that is the most minor of minor ruling breaking. She has other houses rented out between her and her husband that are registered.
    Cut the Field Marshal some slack. It is only three weeks in and he is still grieving.
    Since I didnt vote for the last govt there;s nothing to grieve about only the depressing certainty that Reeves is going to fk things up.
    Given what she has inherited - not completely fk things up will take a miracle worker...


    Note the differences in opinion here - I know it's Hunt's fked up NI cuts that have created a lot of the problems, you are pretending that those tax cuts were not a desperate attempt to win some votes.
    Garbage. Those NI cuts were the beginning of the right thing to do.

    NI should be abolished altogether.

    If you want to put Income Tax up by the same amount NI comes down then that is no change for those working for a living but to exempt some from tax is not the solution.
    Those tax cuts were unaffordable - that was the only point I was making here.

    I do however agree that in this day and age Employee NI is not a great tax, some of it should be retained for to cover the pension and out of work benefits but the vast majority of it should be applied to both workers and pensioners either in a different tax for health / social care or as part of income tax.

    Employer NI is a different matter and we should be thankful it's only 13.8%. Elsewhere in Europe is a lot more than that.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,405
    edited July 31
    eek said:

    Labour hit the sleaze path early

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnd064lx50lo

    TBF, I think that is the most minor of minor ruling breaking. She has other houses rented out between her and her husband that are registered.
    Cut the Field Marshal some slack. It is only three weeks in and he is still grieving.
    Since I didnt vote for the last govt there;s nothing to grieve about only the depressing certainty that Reeves is going to fk things up.
    Given what she has inherited - not completely fk things up will take a miracle worker...


    Note the differences in opinion here - I know it's Hunt's fked up NI cuts that have created a lot of the problems, you are pretending that those tax cuts were not a desperate attempt to win some votes.
    Oh you added a bit

    Reeves is simply spinless. I could respect her is she wantd to increase public pay and came clean about it. Instead she us hiding behind others to avoid the heat. Coward.

    And it's not as if people cant see through it. Now she's fked up even more by dragging the OBR in to things. If the OBR is meant to be non political , it now ii is now firmly in the political arena, And she has jusr painted herself in to a corner. as it owns her. That's not what a CoE should be doing.

    And then of course there's the general loss of credibility as she backtracks on previous promises, changes policy and bribes her mates. Pre election you had a go at me for say she should cut spending and you told me there was no room for cuts. What would you say about the £1.5bn cut to pensioners heating ?

    Clearly there is room and there will be more cuts to come. But instead of building infrastructure of or cutting the deficit, she'll simply spend on rubbish and we'll be no better off.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,998
    Phil said:

    Selebian said:

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Don't know if this has been flagged up yet on here.

    "Stats for Lefties 🍉🏳️‍⚧️
    @LeftieStats
    🚨 NEW: David Lammy confirms Labour has DITCHED its plans to recognise a Palestinian state.

    Labour will instead delay recognition indefinitely, making it conditional on Israel feeling "safe and secure" as part of a "credible" and "viable" peace process."

    https://x.com/LeftieStats/status/1818241569691963547

    Yes but it's David Lammy

    He probably thinks he's dealing with Emperor Palestine and the wookies run Israel
    It's also not what he said if you take the trouble to watch the clip. AndyJS is a little bit naughty posting a fake news far left tweet.
    StatsForLefties is the dodgy doctor librarian from Northern Ireland righr?
    If memory serves, that would be the Northern Irish cisgender Dr Eoin Clarke, who as a PhD is perfectly entitled to use the honorific "Dr", as is our illustrious God Of All Trains Dr Sunil Prasannan. Dr Clarke used to run the blog http://www.greenbenchesuk.com/, formerly http://eoin-clarke.blogspot.com/, which was linked to from PB in the old days

    StatsForLefties is the English non-binary statistician Ell Folan, who runs https://statsforlefties.wordpress.com/

    They are probably not the same person.

    :):):):):):)
    I'm also a non-binary statistician. I work mostly in base 10.
    Doesn’t everyone?
    Indeed.

    Every base, whether it be binary, decimal or hexadecimal, is base 10.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,436
    Given that there's to be a rise of 5.5% in the salary of the person who replaced me, will there a similar increase in my pension?

    Just asking.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370

    eek said:

    Labour hit the sleaze path early

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnd064lx50lo

    TBF, I think that is the most minor of minor ruling breaking. She has other houses rented out between her and her husband that are registered.
    Cut the Field Marshal some slack. It is only three weeks in and he is still grieving.
    Since I didnt vote for the last govt there;s nothing to grieve about only the depressing certainty that Reeves is going to fk things up.
    Given what she has inherited - not completely fk things up will take a miracle worker...


    Note the differences in opinion here - I know it's Hunt's fked up NI cuts that have created a lot of the problems, you are pretending that those tax cuts were not a desperate attempt to win some votes.
    Oh you added a bit

    Reeves is simply spinless. I could respect her is she wantd to increase public pay and came clean about it. Instead she us hiding behind others to avoid the heat. Coward.

    And it's not as if people cant see through it. Noe she's fked up even more by dragging the OBR in to things. If the OBR is meant to be non political , it now ii is now firmly in the political arena, And she has jusr painted herself in to a corner. as it owns her. That's not what a CoE s should be doing.

    And then of course there's the general loss of credibility as she backtracks on previous promises, changes policy and bribes her mates. Pre election you had a go at me for say she should cut spending and you told me there was no room for cuts. What would you say about the £1.5bn cut to pensioners heating ?

    Clearly there is room and there will be more cuts to come. But instead of building infrastructure of or cutting the defict, she'll simply spend on rubbish and we'll be no better off.
    To answer that I will refer back to my point / question from yesterday.

    Why from the middle of nowhere did Rishi call an election just as the independent pay panels handed to the Government their recommendations?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,879
    Pulpstar said:

    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    Some interesting comparisons with 2019 - from IPSOS-MORI's own figures:

    18-24: Labour 41% (-21), Greens 19%, Liberal Democrats 16% (+7), Reform 8%, Conservative 5% (-14)
    25-34: Labour 47%, (-4), Reform 13%, Greens 12%, Liberal Democrats 11% (-), Conservatives 10% (-17)
    65+ Conservative 43% (-21), Labour 23% (+6), Reform 14%, Liberal Democrat 12% (+1), Greens 2%

    It rather gives lie to this notion all the young are embracing "right wing" politics. It was a clear rejection of the old duopoly to perhaps a new one (Greens and Liberal Democrats).

    What about 35 - 64 ?
    Ask and ye shall probably receive in the fullness of time.

    35-44: Labour 41% (+2), Conservative 17% (-19), Reform 14%, Liberal Democrat 13% (-), Greens 7%
    45-54: Labour 36% (+8), Conservative 22% (-24), Reform 17%, Liberal Democrats 14% (-), Greens 8%
    55-64: Labour 32% (+5), Conservative 27% (-22), Reform 19%, Liberal Democrat 12% (+1), Greens 4%

    One or two obvious trends but among 18-24 year olds there was a swing TO the Conservatives from Labour of 3.5%, among 25-34 year olds it was a swing from Labour to the Conservatives of 6.5%, at 35-44 it was 9.5%, at 45-54 16%, at 55-64 13.5% and among 65+ also 13.5%

    Duopoly (Con-Lab combined vote) 46%, 57%, 58%, 58%, 59% and 64% among the age groups.

    A lot to chew over in the numbers provided and one or two myths can be dispelled.

    Turnout helped the Conservatives salvage something from the wreckage as 73% voted in the strongest Conservative group and only 37% in the weakest. Labour's vote share impacted by abstentions and weaknes sin the 18-34 age group.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,586

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    eek said:

    This is a bit awkward.

    Skwakbox are claiming that Rachel Reeves got £1,200 parliamentary expenses for energy bills for her London KPs home in 2023/24 citing IPSA

    https://skwawkbox.org/2024/07/30/rachel-freeze-reeves-has-claimed-1000s-in-energy-bills-on-second-home/

    2 things to add

    1) the choice of website to link to is "interesting"
    2) it's day old news that the main stream press don't seem to care about, I wonder why that is..
    I'm amazed Skwawkbox is still going.
    All the Maomentum lot have got to get their news from somewhere...no idea about Skwawkbox or The Canary, but I think it can be rather profitable endeavour to be in these left / right wing niches. Owen Jones makes more money than ever and I presume LoutsEaters (the Carl Benjamin thing) is extremely profitable given a fancy studio.
    There’s an international, especially in the US, market for these fringe views.

    Russell Brand now has nearly 7m Youtube subscribers, and the Lotus Eaters guys did a tour of the US conservative podcasts around the RNC.
    Has gone all very quiet on the investigations into Brand and also those who enabled his behaviour.
    He’s not someone I personally pay much attention to except when he’s in trouble, just can’t stand his style. It does appear to be much more difficult now to ‘cancel’ someone with an online presence, absent actual criminal charges or convictions.

    I think that Youtube and Facebook are now worried about people they cancel taking an audience to Twitter and Rumble, which in most cases should be seen as a good thing.
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