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After sacking her Chancellor the money goes on a 2022 Truss exit – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 8,489
edited October 20 in General
imageAfter sacking her Chancellor the money goes on a 2022 Truss exit – politicalbetting.com

A group of senior Tories have been holding discussions + have decided the following: the sacking of @KwasiKwarteng will prompt them to come out publicly next week + call on @trussliz to resign. My source: “These are serious people. The PM will find it difficult to survive.”

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  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 2,021
    Yes I think this is where we are heading - possibly as early as next week

    DYOR
  • MPartridgeMPartridge Posts: 151
    Does anyone actually think truss will be gone this year?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 47,042
    Liz Truss has nothing to commend her as Prime Minister.

    Nothing.

    Just get gone, lass. You'll never be remotely happy while you are in Downing Street.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 1,844
    edited October 14
    Kwarteng isn't a scapegoat; it's a folie à deux. They have a secret plan for growth and anyone who doubts it is a traitor.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 55,103

    Does anyone actually think truss will be gone this year?

    me
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 48,176
    Don't worry. Cummings has wargamed this!!!
  • MPartridgeMPartridge Posts: 151

    Does anyone actually think truss will be gone this year?

    me
    I can see 2023, but surely in the next 10 weeks is just too short
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 72,757
    Hunt seems a good choice as CoE to me. Is Sunak that bitter about losing ?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 19,597
    Pulpstar said:

    Hunt seems a good choice as CoE to me. Is Sunak that bitter about losing ?

    Me too, as I said yesterday.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 28,225
    Remember - this is number of times markets forced a change in PM in Greece since 2009 debt crisis

    Papandreou
    Papademos
    Samaras
    Pikrammenos
    Tsipras
    Thanou
    Tsipras again
    Mitsotakis

    In Italy

    Berlusconi
    Monti
    Letta

    Of course @trussliz isn't safe. This is the start, not the end

    https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1580890598998802437
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,620

    Does anyone actually think truss will be gone this year?

    me
    I can see 2023, but surely in the next 10 weeks is just too short
    If there's a leadership contest, presumably that stretches things out until Christmas.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 4,121
    edited October 14

    Does anyone actually think truss will be gone this year?

    Yes. I think she’ll have resigned by the end of the month

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 47,042

    Does anyone actually think truss will be gone this year?

    I do.

    There is no argument for sacking Kwarteng that doesn't equally apply to the Prime Minister.

    The buck stops in 10, Downing Street, not 11.
  • PaulSimonPaulSimon Posts: 34
    I've never understood the appeal of Jeremy Hunt, except that he sort of looks the part. He also has a paternalistic authoritarian streak and always argued for longer and harder lockdowns, and various other nanny state meddling.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 28,225
    CONFIRMED:

    Jeremy Hunt is the new chancellor

    He'll be announced shortly at Liz Truss's press conference https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1580890171213766656
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 47,042
    rkrkrk said:

    Does anyone actually think truss will be gone this year?

    me
    I can see 2023, but surely in the next 10 weeks is just too short
    If there's a leadership contest, presumably that stretches things out until Christmas.
    "If..."

    There won't be.
  • DearPBDearPB Posts: 437
    rkrkrk said:

    Does anyone actually think truss will be gone this year?

    me
    I can see 2023, but surely in the next 10 weeks is just too short
    If there's a leadership contest, presumably that stretches things out until Christmas.
    There can't possibly be a leadership contest
  • DearPBDearPB Posts: 437
    PaulSimon said:

    I've never understood the appeal of Jeremy Hunt, except that he sort of looks the part. He also has a paternalistic authoritarian streak and always argued for longer and harder lockdowns, and various other nanny state meddling.

    He doesn't look the part at all; all he has to commend him is that when I met him at a party nearly 20 years ago he could keep up with my drinking
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 15,922
    PaulSimon said:

    I've never understood the appeal of Jeremy Hunt, except that he sort of looks the part. He also has a paternalistic authoritarian streak and always argued for longer and harder lockdowns, and various other nanny state meddling.

    He looks the part and kept relatively quiet whilst everyone else was talking shit. Doesn't make him any good, but that is his appeal.
  • DearPBDearPB Posts: 437

    Does anyone actually think truss will be gone this year?

    I do.

    There is no argument for sacking Kwarteng that doesn't equally apply to the Prime Minister.

    The buck stops in 10, Downing Street, not 11.
    Kwarteng's blood is in the water, the sharks are circling
  • RobDRobD Posts: 57,985
    Had to be Hunt?
  • Does anyone actually think truss will be gone this year?

    Yes, I do.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 16,467
    PaulSimon said:

    I've never understood the appeal of Jeremy Hunt, except that he sort of looks the part. He also has a paternalistic authoritarian streak and always argued for longer and harder lockdowns, and various other nanny state meddling.

    He argued for less drastic action on covid sooner. If the UK had done that instead of futzing around for 2 weeks making up theories about how maybe it wasn't very dangerous and you should just let everyone get it they may not even have needed the lockdowns.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 28,225
    CONFIRMED:

    Chris Philp is out as Chief Secretary to the Treasury and will be replaced by Ed Argar

    Not clear if anything's happening with other ministerial roles


    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1580899279564312576
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 28,225
    It is starting 👀

    Time to Bring Back Boris

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/10/14/time-bring-back-boris/
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,673

    Does anyone actually think truss will be gone this year?

    Yes, I do.
    I had thought a majority of us think that now. How can anyone possibility think she can survive this when she said 9 days “she was in lockstep with her chancellor”
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 32,214

    Does anyone actually think truss will be gone this year?

    I do.

    There is no argument for sacking Kwarteng that doesn't equally apply to the Prime Minister.

    The buck stops in 10, Downing Street, not 11.
    Case of "you have no authority here, Liz Truss".

    Neither with Tory MPs nor the Markets nor the Country nor even - post U turns and after this - with Tory members.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 28,225
    Therese Coffey holding a call with Tory MPs at 2.15pm

    https://twitter.com/elenicourea/status/1580899249423687680
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 20,044
    Scott_xP said:

    CONFIRMED:

    Jeremy Hunt is the new chancellor

    He'll be announced shortly at Liz Truss's press conference https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1580890171213766656

    Don't understand this decision.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 3,204
    I think that Truss will stay PM for as long as she can, she seems to be have little self awareness about how terrible the situation is for her. She could go on for quite some time if the chancellor is effectively running the whole show. The appointment of someone like Hunt to chancellor could change everything, in this respect. And it is hard to see the polls getting worse for the tories, they are more likely to improve.

    The question is do the Tory MPs act? I suspect when it comes down to it they won't be able to agree on a successor and there are MP's who will throw a spanner in the works on any coronation - this could be either from the Boris Johnson loyalist wing or the Suella Braverman/ERG wing.

    Just because the tories need to remove Truss doesn't mean it will actually happen.

  • DJ41DJ41 Posts: 513
    edited October 14

    Does anyone actually think truss will be gone this year?

    I do.

    There is no argument for sacking Kwarteng that doesn't equally apply to the Prime Minister.

    The buck stops in 10, Downing Street, not 11.
    If only Keir Starmer could make that point, and as succinctly as you do.
    My feeling is Truss will limp on for at least 10 days, possibly longer. But anything could happen. Interesting that there are now two former foreign secretaries in Nos 10 and 11. When did that last happen?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 28,225
    Westminster’s most hard-line advocates of free markets and lower taxes are looking on in despair as their agenda crumbles under the weight of political pressure and chaos in the markets https://trib.al/NSutcKR https://twitter.com/BloombergUK/status/1580899932705525769/photo/1
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 19,551
    edited October 14

    Yes I think this is where we are heading - possibly as early as next week

    DYOR

    Yeah, it's all over. Think they will move against her next week and try to have a coronation of Sunak. The question is will the ERG and Tory members let it happen? Or will they find another candidate to challenge? Maybe Penny or Kemi?

    If they do have a coronation of Sunak after he was rejected by the membership it's not totally impossible the party could split... In which case another winter crisis election could rapidly start to become likely?

    Hold on to your hats it's gonna be a bumpy few weeks...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,854
    edited October 14
    Andy_JS said:

    Scott_xP said:

    CONFIRMED:

    Jeremy Hunt is the new chancellor

    He'll be announced shortly at Liz Truss's press conference https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1580890171213766656

    Don't understand this decision.
    Greater love hath no woman than this, that she should lay down her friends for her life.

    With apologies to Jeremy Thorpe.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 28,225
    Jeremy Hunt confirmed. It is just 39 days since your tweet about there being no white men in any of the great offices of state.

    https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1580900706613342208
  • AlistairMAlistairM Posts: 1,527
    edited October 14
    Not sure why Hunt is taking the job. Does he want to be tied to Liz Truss? Not sure it will do his re-election chances any good. Or maybe he knows he's toast and just wants a big job on his CV for his future career.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 16,467
    darkage said:

    I think that Truss will stay PM for as long as she can, she seems to be have little self awareness about how terrible the situation is for her. She could go on for quite some time if the chancellor is effectively running the whole show. The appointment of someone like Hunt to chancellor could change everything, in this respect. And it is hard to see the polls getting worse for the tories, they are more likely to improve.

    The question is do the Tory MPs act? I suspect when it comes down to it they won't be able to agree on a successor and there are MP's who will throw a spanner in the works on any coronation - this could be either from the Boris Johnson loyalist wing or the Suella Braverman/ERG wing.

    Just because the tories need to remove Truss doesn't mean it will actually happen.

    That's an Interesting angle. If the centre/left aren't prepared to let it go to the members, she doesn't have to satisfy the majority of the party. She just has to make sure her opponents are in two mutually antagonistic camps so they can't get together around a unity candidate. That shouldn't be too hard since they're predisposed to feuding.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 15,922
    Also got matched on Truss 2025 or later @ 46. That is just as silly a price as the 7 was for 2022, not impossible to reach 25 without a GE.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,620
    DearPB said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Does anyone actually think truss will be gone this year?

    me
    I can see 2023, but surely in the next 10 weeks is just too short
    If there's a leadership contest, presumably that stretches things out until Christmas.
    There can't possibly be a leadership contest
    It's possible surely? I mean otherwise the MPs have to just decide themselves.
    Can they agree convincingly to pick Sunak/Wallace/whoever? Feels difficult to me.

    But we are in uncharted territory here.
  • Does anyone actually think truss will be gone this year?

    She will be gone *this month*
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 28,225
    British politics has got the feeling of the 1988 England cricket team about it: four captains in one summer, followed by a thrashing the next year and 16 years in the wilderness, despite a huge triumph in the Ashes only two years earlier. (Boris plays Mike Gatting naturally)

    https://twitter.com/patrick_kidd/status/1580895174393094145
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 55,103
    Nelson's view this morning:

    "Of course, there could be an even worse option: that Ms Truss caves, gives up on her agenda, increases taxes and then just staggers on anyway. In doing so she’d become pointless, an emblem of a Conservative Party drained of ideas and personnel, unable to enact its own agenda and regarding its principles as politically unsellable."
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 42,977
    Farage is on manoeuvres.

    @Nigel_Farage
    After 12 years of Tory misrule, we need a realignment in British politics.


    https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1580885183493873664
  • Andy_JS said:

    Scott_xP said:

    CONFIRMED:

    Jeremy Hunt is the new chancellor

    He'll be announced shortly at Liz Truss's press conference https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1580890171213766656

    Don't understand this decision.
    He’s comptent, which is what the country needs.

    You don’t last as Health Secretary for six years without having competence, nous, and steel.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 2,021
    Scott_xP said:
    Note that Liz mentions the energy scheme and the NI change. Not the CT so its virtually certain now that it will go back to 25% albeit maybe with some modifications as to what level of profit. Also no mention of IT change - that could still go!
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,673
    Has Truss signed off her letter to Kwarteng as..err.. Kwarteng himself?

    https://twitter.com/shippersunbound/status/1580901215722143744?s=46&t=s_ViaGSYR4mS1xWYRHGmAw
  • DJ41DJ41 Posts: 513
    Scott_xP said:
    "one of the most significant fiscal interventions in modern times" - hahaha!
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 28,225
    Unusual times: the prime minister now serves at the pleasure of her chancellor, to the extent she serves at all. Hunt PM-in-all-but-name if he wants to be...
    https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1580901752962158593


    First order of business: Hire Tom Scholar...
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 3,204
    edited October 14

    Has Truss signed off her letter to Kwarteng as..err.. Kwarteng himself?

    https://twitter.com/shippersunbound/status/1580901215722143744?s=46&t=s_ViaGSYR4mS1xWYRHGmAw

    WTF!!!!!

    That is absolutely hilarious if true. What a bunch of clowns.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 4,556
    edited October 14
    Scott_xP said:
    Unless I'm being daft, the sign off line is from Kwarteng 'The Right Honourable Kwasi Kwarteng MP' (no idea about the actual signature). 'Senior moment' from whoever did the actual typing up at No 10?

    ETA: Ah, already noted upthread
  • UnpopularUnpopular Posts: 555
    Andy_JS said:

    Scott_xP said:

    CONFIRMED:

    Jeremy Hunt is the new chancellor

    He'll be announced shortly at Liz Truss's press conference https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1580890171213766656

    Don't understand this decision.
    Agreed. Unless Hunt's going to use his platform as Chancellor to call on Truss to resign, I don't really see why Hunt would tie himself to a dying government like this.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 55,103
    GIN1138 said:

    Yes I think this is where we are heading - possibly as early as next week

    DYOR

    Yeah, it's all over. Think they will move against her next week and try to have a coronation of Sunak. The question is will the ERG and Tory members let it happen? Or will they find another candidate to challenge? Maybe Penny or Kemi?

    If they do have a coronation of Sunak after he was rejected by the membership it's not totally impossible the party could split... In which case another winter crisis election could rapidly start to become likely?

    Hold on to your hats it's gonna be a bumpy few weeks...
    And Farage has woken up.
  • Liz Truss is going to surprise on the upside.

    Move over Roger, Leon is the new Rogerdamus

    This calls for a special celebration, a Coronation indeed.

    Perhaps we could have a special thread devoted to all the celebrated anti-tipsters PB has known, and an appreciation of the long, long period Roger has worn the Crown. He has done so nobly, and with good humour, but time for him to move over now.

    Arise King Leondamus, the greatest anti-tipster this Site has ever known.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 72,757
    Selebian said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Unless I'm being daft, the sign off line is from Kwarteng (no idea about the actual signature). 'Senior moment' from whoever did the actual typing up at No 10?
    Maybe Truss asked Kwarteng to write both letters and she'd sign hers ?
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,620

    Andy_JS said:

    Scott_xP said:

    CONFIRMED:

    Jeremy Hunt is the new chancellor

    He'll be announced shortly at Liz Truss's press conference https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1580890171213766656

    Don't understand this decision.
    He’s comptent, which is what the country needs.

    You don’t last as Health Secretary for six years without having competence, nous, and steel.
    He's also independent minded, was comfortable criticising Boris Johnson... shows that she is reaching outside of her immediate group of supporters.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 15,922

    Has Truss signed off her letter to Kwarteng as..err.. Kwarteng himself?

    https://twitter.com/shippersunbound/status/1580901215722143744?s=46&t=s_ViaGSYR4mS1xWYRHGmAw

    At least Boris could organise a piss up and didnt even need the brewery.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 6,927
    edited October 14
    Truss 2022 Exit just gone to 2 (ie Evens) on Betfair.

    Was 2.4 a few mins ago.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 41,912
    Lay the favourite!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 45,281
    DearPB said:

    PaulSimon said:

    I've never understood the appeal of Jeremy Hunt, except that he sort of looks the part. He also has a paternalistic authoritarian streak and always argued for longer and harder lockdowns, and various other nanny state meddling.

    He doesn't look the part at all; all he has to commend him is that when I met him at a party nearly 20 years ago he could keep up with my drinking
    Unless you're Leon's latest incarnation, that doesn't tell us much.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 28,225
    Therese Coffey is holding an emergency call for Liz Truss's remaining supporters at 2:15pm - just before the press conference.
    https://twitter.com/breeallegretti/status/1580901884390305792
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 28,225
    A group of senior Conservatives have decided to call publicly on Liz Truss to resign following her sacking of Kwasi Kwarteng⁦, reports the BBC.

    “Liz Truss campaigned on these tax cuts…. It is absurd for her to blame Kwasi.” https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-63221738
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,520

    Nelson's view this morning:

    "Of course, there could be an even worse option: that Ms Truss caves, gives up on her agenda, increases taxes and then just staggers on anyway. In doing so she’d become pointless, an emblem of a Conservative Party drained of ideas and personnel, unable to enact its own agenda and regarding its principles as politically unsellable."

    Thats pretty much nailed on.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 4,121
    Selebian said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Unless I'm being daft, the sign off line is from Kwarteng 'The Right Honourable Kwasi Kwarteng MP' (no idea about the actual signature). 'Senior moment' from whoever did the actual typing up at No 10?
    No that’s the style of Downing Street letters I think. Addressee at bottom.

  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,673
    Pulpstar said:

    Selebian said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Unless I'm being daft, the sign off line is from Kwarteng (no idea about the actual signature). 'Senior moment' from whoever did the actual typing up at No 10?
    Maybe Truss asked Kwarteng to write both letters and she'd sign hers ?
    Maybe they’re both the same person?!

    Doesn’t exactly reassure me that Truss is thinking clearly or competently right now. She can’t even sign off a letter with her own name
  • ChrisChris Posts: 8,882
    Send out the clowns. There ought not be clowns.
  • DJ41DJ41 Posts: 513
    Unpopular said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Scott_xP said:

    CONFIRMED:

    Jeremy Hunt is the new chancellor

    He'll be announced shortly at Liz Truss's press conference https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1580890171213766656

    Don't understand this decision.
    Agreed. Unless Hunt's going to use his platform as Chancellor to call on Truss to resign, I don't really see why Hunt would tie himself to a dying government like this.
    Zahawi being the recent precedent for doing exactly that.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 4,556
    Pulpstar said:

    Selebian said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Unless I'm being daft, the sign off line is from Kwarteng (no idea about the actual signature). 'Senior moment' from whoever did the actual typing up at No 10?
    Maybe Truss asked Kwarteng to write both letters and she'd sign hers ?
    Well, he's very warm about himself, isn't he? :smile:
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 15,922
    Scott_xP said:

    British politics has got the feeling of the 1988 England cricket team about it: four captains in one summer, followed by a thrashing the next year and 16 years in the wilderness, despite a huge triumph in the Ashes only two years earlier. (Boris plays Mike Gatting naturally)

    https://twitter.com/patrick_kidd/status/1580895174393094145

    Ben Wallace looks just a little like Graham Gooch....
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 3,204
    Selebian said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Unless I'm being daft, the sign off line is from Kwarteng 'The Right Honourable Kwasi Kwarteng MP' (no idea about the actual signature). 'Senior moment' from whoever did the actual typing up at No 10?
    The letter would have almost certainly been written by an advisor or civil servant; someone made an embarrassing error.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 57,150
    One irony of Brexit is that its made our politics more European. We appear to have become Italy.

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1580865449763667968
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 15,922
    darkage said:

    Selebian said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Unless I'm being daft, the sign off line is from Kwarteng 'The Right Honourable Kwasi Kwarteng MP' (no idea about the actual signature). 'Senior moment' from whoever did the actual typing up at No 10?
    The letter would have almost certainly been written by an advisor or civil servant; someone made an embarrassing error.
    If you are going to sack your most senior appointee, and apparently long time friend, would you not write the letter yourself, or at least read the thing?
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,506
    Any chance they might bring back the Treasury Perm Sec?
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,321

    Pulpstar said:

    Selebian said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Unless I'm being daft, the sign off line is from Kwarteng (no idea about the actual signature). 'Senior moment' from whoever did the actual typing up at No 10?
    Maybe Truss asked Kwarteng to write both letters and she'd sign hers ?
    Maybe they’re both the same person?!

    Doesn’t exactly reassure me that Truss is thinking clearly or competently right now. She can’t even sign off a letter with her own name
    Bit funny when you consider the Westminster speculation as to the nature of their relationship.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 55,103
    Scott_xP said:

    A group of senior Conservatives have decided to call publicly on Liz Truss to resign following her sacking of Kwasi Kwarteng⁦, reports the BBC.

    “Liz Truss campaigned on these tax cuts…. It is absurd for her to blame Kwasi.” https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-63221738

    Sunday papers are going be a bloodbath.

    More popcorn, Jeeves!!!
  • Andy_JS said:

    Scott_xP said:

    CONFIRMED:

    Jeremy Hunt is the new chancellor

    He'll be announced shortly at Liz Truss's press conference https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1580890171213766656

    Don't understand this decision.
    He’s comptent, which is what the country needs.

    You don’t last as Health Secretary for six years without having competence, nous, and steel.
    Selebian said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Unless I'm being daft, the sign off line is from Kwarteng 'The Right Honourable Kwasi Kwarteng MP' (no idea about the actual signature). 'Senior moment' from whoever did the actual typing up at No 10?

    ETA: Ah, already noted upthread
    Selebian said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Unless I'm being daft, the sign off line is from Kwarteng 'The Right Honourable Kwasi Kwarteng MP' (no idea about the actual signature). 'Senior moment' from whoever did the actual typing up at No 10?

    ETA: Ah, already noted upthread
    My God. She has to go; we literally have an imbecile as PM.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,854
    Scott_xP said:

    Therese Coffey is holding an emergency call for Liz Truss's remaining supporters at 2:15pm - just before the press conference.
    https://twitter.com/breeallegretti/status/1580901884390305792

    What, both of them?
  • ChrisChris Posts: 8,882
    Selebian said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Unless I'm being daft, the sign off line is from Kwarteng 'The Right Honourable Kwasi Kwarteng MP' (no idea about the actual signature). 'Senior moment' from whoever did the actual typing up at No 10?

    ETA: Ah, already noted upthread
    I think the signature reads "Diz Lust". Or maybe "Liz Dust". Or something like that. Does it really make much difference?
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 4,556

    Selebian said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Unless I'm being daft, the sign off line is from Kwarteng 'The Right Honourable Kwasi Kwarteng MP' (no idea about the actual signature). 'Senior moment' from whoever did the actual typing up at No 10?
    No that’s the style of Downing Street letters I think. Addressee at bottom.

    Ah, indeed -see e.g. Johnson's to Sunak:
    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/rishi-sunaks-resignation-letter-and-the-prime-ministers-response

    I'd never noticed that before. Looks odd (hasn't in the past normally appeared right under the signature, I think, which is why I noticed it this time)
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 4,121

    Scott_xP said:
    What The Actual Fuck is she doing writing that letter?
    1. "We share the same vision" - so having sacked him you say you remain handcuffed to him and the ideas you had to sack him for
    2. "I deeply respect the decision you have made today" - she *sacked* him. What decision - to not go down fighting?
    3. "I know you will continue to support the mission" which is such a disaster that she has just sacked both the Chancellor and the Chief Secretary

    She has completely fucked this. You sack both senior ministers in the Treasury when you are blaming them for a disaster, not because you still back them and the policies.
    She isn’t cut out for this job.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 45,281
    Andy_JS said:

    Scott_xP said:

    CONFIRMED:

    Jeremy Hunt is the new chancellor

    He'll be announced shortly at Liz Truss's press conference https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1580890171213766656

    Don't understand this decision.
    I'm guessing the list of those who would take the job while she's still in office is pretty short.
    And Hunt was the least incredible.

    I don't think it saves her.
  • DearPBDearPB Posts: 437
    Nigelb said:

    DearPB said:

    PaulSimon said:

    I've never understood the appeal of Jeremy Hunt, except that he sort of looks the part. He also has a paternalistic authoritarian streak and always argued for longer and harder lockdowns, and various other nanny state meddling.

    He doesn't look the part at all; all he has to commend him is that when I met him at a party nearly 20 years ago he could keep up with my drinking
    Unless you're Leon's latest incarnation, that doesn't tell us much.
    Oh I can drink! I was on martinis.

    About two hours in I asked I what he did for a living. Oh I'm in the Shadow Cabinet he said. Oops
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 41,912

    One irony of Brexit is that its made our politics more European. We appear to have become Italy.

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1580865449763667968

    At least it means that the people in charge can be replaced. As we have seen.
  • UnpopularUnpopular Posts: 555
    DJ41 said:

    Unpopular said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Scott_xP said:

    CONFIRMED:

    Jeremy Hunt is the new chancellor

    He'll be announced shortly at Liz Truss's press conference https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1580890171213766656

    Don't understand this decision.
    Agreed. Unless Hunt's going to use his platform as Chancellor to call on Truss to resign, I don't really see why Hunt would tie himself to a dying government like this.
    Zahawi being the recent precedent for doing exactly that.
    Exactly, would be wild if it happened twice! I have revised my assessment slightly. Essentially being PM in all but name, throwing the mask (or human shield) in the bin at the best opportunity and assuming the role yourself when it suits, is probably not a bad position to be in.

    Either way, he's behind her as Sir Humphrey might note.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,854
    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Scott_xP said:

    CONFIRMED:

    Jeremy Hunt is the new chancellor

    He'll be announced shortly at Liz Truss's press conference https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1580890171213766656

    Don't understand this decision.
    I'm guessing the list of those who would take the job while she's still in office is pretty short.
    And Hunt was the least incredible.

    I don't think it saves her.
    Meanwhile Hunt, in one bound, has made himself the obvious unity candidate if she is toppled.

    People are asking why he would accept. Ask rather, why wouldn't he?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 57,985

    Has Truss signed off her letter to Kwarteng as..err.. Kwarteng himself?

    https://twitter.com/shippersunbound/status/1580901215722143744?s=46&t=s_ViaGSYR4mS1xWYRHGmAw

    Am genuinely howling laughing here. I know that sometimes No10 writes both letters. But FFS don't forget to change the name on the bottom. What a fucking brilliant effort they have made
    I wonder if it was deliberate.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 55,103
    DearPB said:

    Nigelb said:

    DearPB said:

    PaulSimon said:

    I've never understood the appeal of Jeremy Hunt, except that he sort of looks the part. He also has a paternalistic authoritarian streak and always argued for longer and harder lockdowns, and various other nanny state meddling.

    He doesn't look the part at all; all he has to commend him is that when I met him at a party nearly 20 years ago he could keep up with my drinking
    Unless you're Leon's latest incarnation, that doesn't tell us much.
    Oh I can drink! I was on martinis.

    About two hours in I asked I what he did for a living. Oh I'm in the Shadow Cabinet he said. Oops
    The question remains unanswered then?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 32,214
    DearPB said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Does anyone actually think truss will be gone this year?

    me
    I can see 2023, but surely in the next 10 weeks is just too short
    If there's a leadership contest, presumably that stretches things out until Christmas.
    There can't possibly be a leadership contest
    The contest is responsible for this in a way. Truss spent the summer performing for the activists, rolling out the phrases and sentiments they love to hear, basking in the warm glow of it, and she mistook that bubble for the real world, entered number 10 all pumped up and under the impression she was a winner with great ideas, that to know her was to love her and the country would soon come to see what the Tory members saw. Not a good prep for the job of PM at a challenging complex time. Should never happen again.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 4,121
    Chris said:

    Selebian said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Unless I'm being daft, the sign off line is from Kwarteng 'The Right Honourable Kwasi Kwarteng MP' (no idea about the actual signature). 'Senior moment' from whoever did the actual typing up at No 10?

    ETA: Ah, already noted upthread
    I think the signature reads "Diz Lust". Or maybe "Liz Dust". Or something like that. Does it really make much difference?
    Is Diz Lust her dominatrix alter-ego?
  • ChrisChris Posts: 8,882
    darkage said:

    Selebian said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Unless I'm being daft, the sign off line is from Kwarteng 'The Right Honourable Kwasi Kwarteng MP' (no idea about the actual signature). 'Senior moment' from whoever did the actual typing up at No 10?
    The letter would have almost certainly been written by an advisor or civil servant; someone made an embarrassing error.
    "Just sign it, Kwasi. I'll do the rest."

    "Oh - on second thoughts, don't bother even to sign it. Trust me to take care of everything."
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 15,922

    One irony of Brexit is that its made our politics more European. We appear to have become Italy.

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1580865449763667968

    Not an unforeseen irony, but an obvious inevitability given the disparate Brexit coalition and the lies that were sold.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,854
    Oh hello, more incoming:

    NASUWT TO BALLOT MEMBERS FOR INDUSTRIAL ACTION OVER PAY

    The NASUWT-The Teachers’ Union is today announcing it will be balloting its members for industrial action over the failure by Government and employers to guarantee teachers and headteachers a fully-funded real-terms pay award of 12%.

    The NASUWT is recommending that members vote Yes to taking strike action and Yes to support action short of strike action.

    Today’s announcement comes after Ministers failed to engage in negotiations with the NASUWT, despite repeated calls to do so.

    Ballot papers will be issued to members from 27 October and the ballot will close on 9 January with the result to be announced immediately.

    The NASUWT’s campaign for a 12% pay award for teachers will include ballots of members in schools and sixth form colleges in England, Scotland and Wales.

    Dr Patrick Roach, NASUWT General Secretary said:

    “The NASUWT has done everything possible to seek a resolution to this dispute and to avoid escalation of industrial action in schools and colleges.

    “The Government has failed to recognise the damaging impact of years of real terms pay cuts on the morale of teachers and which is fuelling the teacher recruitment and retention crisis.

    “The 5% pay award for teachers and headteachers is unacceptable at a time when inflation is running at more than 10% and it will result in even more financial misery for hard working teachers.

    “The Government must ensure additional money is provided to schools and colleges to ensure that this year’s pay award does not become a lottery for teachers.

    “Teaching is at the bottom of the graduate pay league table. Teachers need and deserve a fully funded pay award which will begin the process of restoring the real terms value of teachers’ pay.

    “Ministers will be entirely responsible for industrial action unless they act immediately to deliver a better pay deal for teachers.”

    ENDS
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 45,281

    darkage said:

    I think that Truss will stay PM for as long as she can, she seems to be have little self awareness about how terrible the situation is for her. She could go on for quite some time if the chancellor is effectively running the whole show. The appointment of someone like Hunt to chancellor could change everything, in this respect. And it is hard to see the polls getting worse for the tories, they are more likely to improve.

    The question is do the Tory MPs act? I suspect when it comes down to it they won't be able to agree on a successor and there are MP's who will throw a spanner in the works on any coronation - this could be either from the Boris Johnson loyalist wing or the Suella Braverman/ERG wing.

    Just because the tories need to remove Truss doesn't mean it will actually happen.

    That's an Interesting angle. If the centre/left aren't prepared to let it go to the members, she doesn't have to satisfy the majority of the party. She just has to make sure her opponents are in two mutually antagonistic camps so they can't get together around a unity candidate. That shouldn't be too hard since they're predisposed to feuding.
    If MPs (correctly) decide that it's a matter of self preservation, then some of the factional division becomes irrelevant.

    If they haven't worked that out now, then they might as well go down with her at the next election.
  • Jeremy Hunt new COE
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 55,103
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Scott_xP said:

    CONFIRMED:

    Jeremy Hunt is the new chancellor

    He'll be announced shortly at Liz Truss's press conference https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1580890171213766656

    Don't understand this decision.
    I'm guessing the list of those who would take the job while she's still in office is pretty short.
    And Hunt was the least incredible.

    I don't think it saves her.
    Meanwhile Hunt, in one bound, has made himself the obvious unity candidate if she is toppled.

    People are asking why he would accept. Ask rather, why wouldn't he?
    Certainly puts him right back in the game.

    One might say in 'the thick of it' even.
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