Watching that press conference and I've come to a profound realisation.
Gordon Brown is no longer the worst PM of my lifetime.
Steady. Has she sold our gold at the bottom of the market? Has she set up a financial regulatory system which was positively designed to have no one at the wheel when things went wrong? Has she had the first runs on UK banks since the 19th century? Has she set her party and the country up to have a GE and then run away from it? Has she hung on in Downing Street having clearly lost her majority (ok, that one might be arguable)?
Given time, maybe but she has barely started.
It took Gordon Brown thirteen years and the crash of Lehmman Bros 3,500 miles across the Atlantic to realise your accusations, some of which are disputable.
Truss/Kwarteng had barely been in fully functioning (after the late Monarch's departure) office for thirteen hours before they had a) a run on the pound b) crashed the gilts market c) raised mortgage rates to a 25 year high d) achieved a 30 point Labour polling lead and e) returned the mantle of "the Nasty Party" to the Conservatives after decades of detoxification.
You have to hand it to the ERG, they backed a Remainer, Truss over a Leaver, Sunak and ignored those who wanted to back Leaver Badenoch.
They now have a Remainer as PM and Remainer Hunt as Chancellor, Boris' opponent from 2019 of course and a staunch May loyalist.
One can't help but laugh at Mark Francois who is responsible for this!
There is only one person responsible and that is your toxic hero Johnson
No. Boris won the Tories this majority and ERG backers like Baker turning on him and Francois then ordering the ERG to back Truss has meant they have now seen a Leaver PM and Leaver Chancellor in Boris and Sunak replaced by Remainer Truss as PM and Remainer Hunt as Chancellor.
This now looks more like it could be more like the old May government than the Boris government
Boris toxic and irresponsible behaviour led us to today
And by the way you voted remain
No, the likes of you forcing him out over partygate led to today and a bigger Starmer lead than ever there was under Boris.
Yes I did vote Remain and will remain loyal to this government (as I was to the May government) and Hunt is a serious figure for the Treasury and a proper Tory but I also respected the Leave vote and it was only Boris who delivered Brexit
I didn’t force him out
Boris behaviour became so toxic he was unacceptable to the vast majority of ordinary people
HYUFD is like a babysitting agency which sends you a heroin-addicted thief whom you reject, so they send you a convicted paedophile instead. When you complain about the paedophile they say Well, you should've stuck with the thief.
Colourful but correct.
Boris remains unsuitable, and in a personal level not policy which is most remarkable. You have to be really sleazy for MPs to not look the other way.
This all starts with Boris. He is the one that has triggered the destruction of this Government with his dishonesty, corruption, damage to the constitution and gutting of many of the sensible Conservatives from the party.
One could argue it goes back to Cameron re the Referendum, but I think that is unfair. He probably had little choice and although Brexit was a near impossible task it could have been done much better and without all the subsequent Boris stuff that was not Brexit related.
As far as I am concerned this all lays at Boris's door. Truss is simply an inevitable corollary of it all.
No, Boris was the one who delivered Brexit and with a trade deal and crushed your party and Labour in 2019. Boris also delivered the vaccines and furlough with Sunak and had a broader cabinet than Truss' was.
The mistake was getting rid of Boris
You're persistently pretending to act like 2022 Boris was the same as 2019 Boris.
The very fact they were able to oust him shows his unsuitability - someone who won as big as he did should never have been vulnerable so soon, he should have been untouchable.
That he was removed shows just how sleazy and incompetent a figure he was - yes he was hated by opponents, but he threw away his own support.
The Labour lead over the Tories has doubled since Boris was removed and the economy crashed.
It was always you and the liberal left who wanted Boris out as you feared him, the Tory parliamentary party was stupid enough to listen you over a case of after work drinks and a birthday cake. Pathetic!!!!
O/T but specially for @TSE - French win more battles than British/English (and logically the latter should be disqualified for cheating by getting the Irish, Scottish, Welsh added to their team during the match).
“The creation of Modern France through expansion goes back to the establishment of a small kingdom in the area around Paris in the late tenth century and was not completed until the incorporation of Nice and Savoy in 1860. The existing "hexagon" was the result of a long series of wars and conquests involving the triumph of French language and culture over what once were autonomous and culturally distinctive communities. The assimilation of Gascons, Savoyards, Occitans, Basques, and others helped to sustain the myth that French overseas expansionism in the nineteenth century, especially to North and West Africa, was a continuation of the same assimilationist project.” —George M. Fredrickson, Standford University.
Every American executive and engineer working in China’s semiconductor manufacturing industry resigned yesterday, paralyzing Chinese manufacturing overnight.
One round of sanctions from Biden did more damage than all four years of performative sanctioning under Trump.
Trump and his "Republican" fellow grifters are big-time bull-shit artists, as demonstrated by their strictly rhetorical opposition to their fellow Putinists in Beijing.
You have to hand it to the ERG, they backed a Remainer, Truss over a Leaver, Sunak and ignored those who wanted to back Leaver Badenoch.
They now have a Remainer as PM and Remainer Hunt as Chancellor, Boris' opponent from 2019 of course and a staunch May loyalist.
One can't help but laugh at Mark Francois who is responsible for this!
There is only one person responsible and that is your toxic hero Johnson
No. Boris won the Tories this majority and ERG backers like Baker turning on him and Francois then ordering the ERG to back Truss has meant they have now seen a Leaver PM and Leaver Chancellor in Boris and Sunak replaced by Remainer Truss as PM and Remainer Hunt as Chancellor.
This now looks more like it could be more like the old May government than the Boris government
Boris toxic and irresponsible behaviour led us to today
And by the way you voted remain
No, the likes of you forcing him out over partygate led to today and a bigger Starmer lead than ever there was under Boris.
Yes I did vote Remain and will remain loyal to this government (as I was to the May government) and Hunt is a serious figure for the Treasury and a proper Tory but I also respected the Leave vote and it was only Boris who delivered Brexit
I didn’t force him out
Boris behaviour became so toxic he was unacceptable to the vast majority of ordinary people
HYUFD is like a babysitting agency which sends you a heroin-addicted thief whom you reject, so they send you a convicted paedophile instead. When you complain about the paedophile they say Well, you should've stuck with the thief.
Colourful but correct.
Boris remains unsuitable, and in a personal level not policy which is most remarkable. You have to be really sleazy for MPs to not look the other way.
This all starts with Boris. He is the one that has triggered the destruction of this Government with his dishonesty, corruption, damage to the constitution and gutting of many of the sensible Conservatives from the party.
One could argue it goes back to Cameron re the Referendum, but I think that is unfair. He probably had little choice and although Brexit was a near impossible task it could have been done much better and without all the subsequent Boris stuff that was not Brexit related.
As far as I am concerned this all lays at Boris's door. Truss is simply an inevitable corollary of it all.
No, Boris was the one who delivered Brexit and with a trade deal and crushed your party and Labour in 2019. Boris also delivered the vaccines and furlough with Sunak and had a broader cabinet than Truss' was.
The mistake was getting rid of Boris
Why are you defending somebody put a known groper in a senior position then lied about it?
Do you even possess a moral compass?
Why should Tories care less what a LD voter like you thinks? You even voted LD in 2019 when Boris won a landslide, you wanted him out years before Pincher, who let us not forget lost the whip under Boris anyway
You have to hand it to the ERG, they backed a Remainer, Truss over a Leaver, Sunak and ignored those who wanted to back Leaver Badenoch.
They now have a Remainer as PM and Remainer Hunt as Chancellor, Boris' opponent from 2019 of course and a staunch May loyalist.
One can't help but laugh at Mark Francois who is responsible for this!
There is only one person responsible and that is your toxic hero Johnson
No. Boris won the Tories this majority and ERG backers like Baker turning on him and Francois then ordering the ERG to back Truss has meant they have now seen a Leaver PM and Leaver Chancellor in Boris and Sunak replaced by Remainer Truss as PM and Remainer Hunt as Chancellor.
This now looks more like it could be more like the old May government than the Boris government
Boris toxic and irresponsible behaviour led us to today
And by the way you voted remain
No, the likes of you forcing him out over partygate led to today and a bigger Starmer lead than ever there was under Boris.
Yes I did vote Remain and will remain loyal to this government (as I was to the May government) and Hunt is a serious figure for the Treasury and a proper Tory but I also respected the Leave vote and it was only Boris who delivered Brexit
I didn’t force him out
Boris behaviour became so toxic he was unacceptable to the vast majority of ordinary people
HYUFD is like a babysitting agency which sends you a heroin-addicted thief whom you reject, so they send you a convicted paedophile instead. When you complain about the paedophile they say Well, you should've stuck with the thief.
Colourful but correct.
Boris remains unsuitable, and in a personal level not policy which is most remarkable. You have to be really sleazy for MPs to not look the other way.
This all starts with Boris. He is the one that has triggered the destruction of this Government with his dishonesty, corruption, damage to the constitution and gutting of many of the sensible Conservatives from the party.
One could argue it goes back to Cameron re the Referendum, but I think that is unfair. He probably had little choice and although Brexit was a near impossible task it could have been done much better and without all the subsequent Boris stuff that was not Brexit related.
As far as I am concerned this all lays at Boris's door. Truss is simply an inevitable corollary of it all.
No, Boris was the one who delivered Brexit and with a trade deal and crushed your party and Labour in 2019. Boris also delivered the vaccines and furlough with Sunak and had a broader cabinet than Truss' was.
The mistake was getting rid of Boris
You're persistently pretending to act like 2022 Boris was the same as 2019 Boris.
The very fact they were able to oust him shows his unsuitability - someone who won as big as he did should never have been vulnerable so soon, he should have been untouchable.
That he was removed shows just how sleazy and incompetent a figure he was - yes he was hated by opponents, but he threw away his own support.
The Labour lead over the Tories has doubled since Boris was removed and the economy crashed.
It was always you and the liberal left who wanted Boris out as you feared him, the Tory parliamentary party was stupid enough to listen you over a case of after work drinks and a birthday cake. Pathetic!!!!
Mr Patterson was a birthday cake? What did he do, jump out of it wearing only a gold lame jockstrap?!
The penny has finally dropped that they need to get the sensible remainers back in to sort out the mess. I am relieved, was dreading it being Redwood or Rees-Mogg. Truss is back-tracking so fast you can see the sparks flying.
This has absolutely nothing to do with Brexit.
Don't be a dick.
No need to resort to personal abuse because someone sees things differently.
I clearly see a correlation between John Major's "bastards" taking over the Tory party/membership and the shambles in which we now find ourselves in.
You cannot separate Brexit from the politicians that led the campaigns to get us out. I have been convinced from the outset that this is how it would end up. I can barely think of a competent Brexiteer, Gove possibly.
Take a good hard look at the calibre of what we've has since the "Get Brexit Done" election - Johnson, Patel, Braverman, Rees-Mogg, Kwatang, Dorries, Raab the list goes on and on. Practically every one has proved to be a disaster in office. At least we can be thankful that Farage and Banks weren't eligible for high office.
On the other side of the coin lots of competent Tory politicians headed for the exits.
It is no surprise whatsoever that Truss has panicked and gone for one of the few sane senior Tories left to try and save her skin.. It was widely believed that Hunt had no chance in the leadership election because of his Remainer views and yet here we are a few short weeks later and he's promoted to the CoE and favourite to be next leader.
If Brexit is being discredited (as I believe it is) then it is the Brexiteers themselves that are trashing it. 5 years from now we will be back in the single market at the very least.
I voted for Brexit and I agree with your analysis. The state of the Tory party now, and the intellectual vacuum within, is a direct consequence of Brexit.
Basically, if you take this forum as a proxy. You've got Barty and LuckyGuy as the Rees-Mogg fruit loops with Casino being the eccentric but fundamentally sound, Gove.
Brexit is highly correlated with being a thicky and / or crazy person. I'm more of the latter, I think/hope.
The problem is that the people you mentioned are so invested in Brexit they are completely blinded to the negative consequences. Fortunately I think the scales are slowly but surely dropping from eyes of many leavers.
Sooner later people are going to look at the likes of Rees-Mogg et al and say, "hang on a minute aren't these the idiots that promised us the sunlit uplands after Brexit? "
I am invested in Britain. I felt we could have made EU membership work with politicians and civil servants determined to prioritise the UK's national interests, but we had politicians and civil servants determined to gold plate every piece of idiocy going. Now that we have left, it is true, I see little point in rejoining, and would prefer to build a successful and modestly independent country that only fevered remoaners insist is totally impossible (because reasons).
The reversal of the corporation tax cut is as stupid a move by Truss as could have been, especially when combined with keeping the removal on the cap on bankers' bonuses.
What's been lost in the stereotyping "it's a big bung for businesses" is that plenty of self-employed people - including myself - set up limited companies to reduce the tax burden. Yes, we may pay lower taxes overall but then we don't have paid holidays, sickness cover, access to work supplemented pension schemes or - especially for those in the state sector - defined benefit pensions.
Now, for those of who of us who take dividends out, we have effectively had 6p in the pound wiped off our dividend payout potential.
The big companies will be fine, they will pay their accountants to find ways to reduce the tax rate. Small companies - not so much.
Holiday/sick/pension should be covered by the rate you charge, not subsidised by full taxpayers
Usual greed, they want their 600 a day and then don't want to pay tax. Pathetic.
The yield on 30-year bonds now indicates markets are more worried, not less, since Liz Truss sacked Kwasi Kwarteng, u-turned on £17bn a year of corporation tax and replaced him with Jeremy Hunt. One can only speculate why. It may be to do with her performance in the presser: https://twitter.com/andyverity/status/1580925884915388416/photo/1
Or perhaps it undermines the whole infantile theory about why the market turbulence happened in the first place.
Watching that press conference and I've come to a profound realisation.
Gordon Brown is no longer the worst PM of my lifetime.
Steady. Has she sold our gold at the bottom of the market? Has she set up a financial regulatory system which was positively designed to have no one at the wheel when things went wrong? Has she had the first runs on UK banks since the 19th century? Has she set her party and the country up to have a GE and then run away from it? Has she hung on in Downing Street having clearly lost her majority (ok, that one might be arguable)?
Given time, maybe but she has barely started.
It took Gordon Brown thirteen years and the crash of Lehmman Bros 3,500 miles across the Atlantic to realise your accusations, some of which are disputable.
Truss/Kwarteng had barely been in fully functioning (after the late Monarch's departure) office for thirteen hours before they had a) a run on the pound b) crashed the gilts market c) raised mortgage rates to a 25 year high d) achieved a 30 point Labour polling lead and e) returned the mantle of "the Nasty Party" to the Conservatives after decades of detoxification.
Beth Rigby @BethRigby · 9m Cabinet minister tells me "this isn't going to last". Hunt a good choice who'll appeal to the moderate wing of the party, but Truss is not performing "She abandoned one firewall with policy change, then another firewall sacking her chancellor. The only firewall left is her"
I have time for Vicky Young, but even she was struggling to explain the Truss performance. Being PM isn't for everyone, and intellgence isn't essential but self-awareness is.
Boris had arrogance on his side, but I'm not sure what Liz has.
I do feel sorry for her because it must but awful for someone with so many "limitations" to become Prime Minister and then have it all implode within a few days and have the entire country pointing and laughing at you.
It's a shame her husband or daughters didn't take her to one side at the start and say sorry, but please don't so this. You're an amazing person but you just aren't a Prime Minister.
Or even "You're clueless. What on earth makes you think you could be prime minister? Idiot!"
Just back from a 20 minute walk. Has she quit yet?
I'm going against the grain, I think she's done enough to be a puppet PM until the new year.
Her best, possibly only, chance is that the Tory party is so split into different camps that finding a replacement that people could coalesce on is going to be difficult.
There is, in my view, a pretty compelling argument that the government's economic policy is now Rishi's policy and that he should get a chance to implement it, just as she and Kwarteng got a chance to implement hers.
That's the real challenge - there's at least two groups of Brexiteers, who don't really like each other: the current Singapore-on-Thames set still just about hanging on to the steering wheel, and the anti-immigration set such as (ironically) Braverman and Patel.
Then there's the of red wallers who have some vestigial loyalty to Johnson who perhaps float between the two but aren't loyal to either.
Add to that the remnants of the pragmatic ex-remainer group who have accepted Brexit, but who will not be trusted by either of the hard Brexiter groups, and the people who backed Sunak, who are hated for bringing down Johnson.
So there's about 5 groups and I can't see how they can even get any 3 to coalesce around a single candidate.
You have to hand it to the ERG, they backed a Remainer, Truss over a Leaver, Sunak and ignored those who wanted to back Leaver Badenoch.
They now have a Remainer as PM and Remainer Hunt as Chancellor, Boris' opponent from 2019 of course and a staunch May loyalist.
One can't help but laugh at Mark Francois who is responsible for this!
There is only one person responsible and that is your toxic hero Johnson
No. Boris won the Tories this majority and ERG backers like Baker turning on him and Francois then ordering the ERG to back Truss has meant they have now seen a Leaver PM and Leaver Chancellor in Boris and Sunak replaced by Remainer Truss as PM and Remainer Hunt as Chancellor.
This now looks more like it could be more like the old May government than the Boris government
Boris toxic and irresponsible behaviour led us to today
And by the way you voted remain
No, the likes of you forcing him out over partygate led to today and a bigger Starmer lead than ever there was under Boris.
Yes I did vote Remain and will remain loyal to this government (as I was to the May government) and Hunt is a serious figure for the Treasury and a proper Tory but I also respected the Leave vote and it was only Boris who delivered Brexit
I didn’t force him out
Boris behaviour became so toxic he was unacceptable to the vast majority of ordinary people
HYUFD is like a babysitting agency which sends you a heroin-addicted thief whom you reject, so they send you a convicted paedophile instead. When you complain about the paedophile they say Well, you should've stuck with the thief.
Colourful but correct.
Boris remains unsuitable, and in a personal level not policy which is most remarkable. You have to be really sleazy for MPs to not look the other way.
This all starts with Boris. He is the one that has triggered the destruction of this Government with his dishonesty, corruption, damage to the constitution and gutting of many of the sensible Conservatives from the party.
One could argue it goes back to Cameron re the Referendum, but I think that is unfair. He probably had little choice and although Brexit was a near impossible task it could have been done much better and without all the subsequent Boris stuff that was not Brexit related.
As far as I am concerned this all lays at Boris's door. Truss is simply an inevitable corollary of it all.
No, Boris was the one who delivered Brexit and with a trade deal and crushed your party and Labour in 2019. Boris also delivered the vaccines and furlough with Sunak and had a broader cabinet than Truss' was.
The mistake was getting rid of Boris
Why are you defending somebody put a known groper in a senior position then lied about it?
Do you even possess a moral compass?
Why should Tories care less what a LD voter like you thinks?...
Since you're down to about 20% of voters, perhaps you should be less picky ?
"The mission remains the same" == "Nothing has changed" ???
"This PM will self destruct in..."
Too late, my time has come Sends shivers down my spine Body's aching all the time Goodbye everybody, I've got to go Gotta leave you all behind and face the truth
Just laid Truss to be out this year at 1.78. Still far greener if she goes this year but now green either way.
That performance she gave just now had all the hallmarks of someone who knows they do not have much longer in the job but have to go through the motions until the moment of departure comes.
It was perfunctory, uninformative, and bland. The writing is on the wall, and she knows it.
Definitely gone by the end of the year, Morris; maybe even by the end of next week.
Many thought that, despite it being the constitutional position, allowing the Conservative Party to choose the PM somehow wasn't right. Allowing to them (even if just the MPs this time) to have another go because they made a mess last time will be even more unacceptable.
Chope thinks the Tories are "a laughing stock". Janet Yellen must be pleased she completely wasted her time meeting Kwarteng yesterday when she could have been talking to serious people
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You have to hand it to the ERG, they backed a Remainer, Truss over a Leaver, Sunak and ignored those who wanted to back Leaver Badenoch.
They now have a Remainer as PM and Remainer Hunt as Chancellor, Boris' opponent from 2019 of course and a staunch May loyalist.
One can't help but laugh at Mark Francois who is responsible for this!
There is only one person responsible and that is your toxic hero Johnson
No. Boris won the Tories this majority and ERG backers like Baker turning on him and Francois then ordering the ERG to back Truss has meant they have now seen a Leaver PM and Leaver Chancellor in Boris and Sunak replaced by Remainer Truss as PM and Remainer Hunt as Chancellor.
This now looks more like it could be more like the old May government than the Boris government
Boris toxic and irresponsible behaviour led us to today
And by the way you voted remain
No, the likes of you forcing him out over partygate led to today and a bigger Starmer lead than ever there was under Boris.
Yes I did vote Remain and will remain loyal to this government (as I was to the May government) and Hunt is a serious figure for the Treasury and a proper Tory but I also respected the Leave vote and it was only Boris who delivered Brexit
I didn’t force him out
Boris behaviour became so toxic he was unacceptable to the vast majority of ordinary people
HYUFD is like a babysitting agency which sends you a heroin-addicted thief whom you reject, so they send you a convicted paedophile instead. When you complain about the paedophile they say Well, you should've stuck with the thief.
Colourful but correct.
Boris remains unsuitable, and in a personal level not policy which is most remarkable. You have to be really sleazy for MPs to not look the other way.
This all starts with Boris. He is the one that has triggered the destruction of this Government with his dishonesty, corruption, damage to the constitution and gutting of many of the sensible Conservatives from the party.
One could argue it goes back to Cameron re the Referendum, but I think that is unfair. He probably had little choice and although Brexit was a near impossible task it could have been done much better and without all the subsequent Boris stuff that was not Brexit related.
As far as I am concerned this all lays at Boris's door. Truss is simply an inevitable corollary of it all.
No, Boris was the one who delivered Brexit and with a trade deal and crushed your party and Labour in 2019. Boris also delivered the vaccines and furlough with Sunak and had a broader cabinet than Truss' was.
You have to hand it to the ERG, they backed a Remainer, Truss over a Leaver, Sunak and ignored those who wanted to back Leaver Badenoch.
They now have a Remainer as PM and Remainer Hunt as Chancellor, Boris' opponent from 2019 of course and a staunch May loyalist.
One can't help but laugh at Mark Francois who is responsible for this!
There is only one person responsible and that is your toxic hero Johnson
No. Boris won the Tories this majority and ERG backers like Baker turning on him and Francois then ordering the ERG to back Truss has meant they have now seen a Leaver PM and Leaver Chancellor in Boris and Sunak replaced by Remainer Truss as PM and Remainer Hunt as Chancellor.
This now looks more like it could be more like the old May government than the Boris government
Boris toxic and irresponsible behaviour led us to today
And by the way you voted remain
No, the likes of you forcing him out over partygate led to today and a bigger Starmer lead than ever there was under Boris.
Yes I did vote Remain and will remain loyal to this government (as I was to the May government) and Hunt is a serious figure for the Treasury and a proper Tory but I also respected the Leave vote and it was only Boris who delivered Brexit
I didn’t force him out
Boris behaviour became so toxic he was unacceptable to the vast majority of ordinary people
HYUFD is like a babysitting agency which sends you a heroin-addicted thief whom you reject, so they send you a convicted paedophile instead. When you complain about the paedophile they say Well, you should've stuck with the thief.
Colourful but correct.
Boris remains unsuitable, and in a personal level not policy which is most remarkable. You have to be really sleazy for MPs to not look the other way.
This all starts with Boris. He is the one that has triggered the destruction of this Government with his dishonesty, corruption, damage to the constitution and gutting of many of the sensible Conservatives from the party.
One could argue it goes back to Cameron re the Referendum, but I think that is unfair. He probably had little choice and although Brexit was a near impossible task it could have been done much better and without all the subsequent Boris stuff that was not Brexit related.
As far as I am concerned this all lays at Boris's door. Truss is simply an inevitable corollary of it all.
No, Boris was the one who delivered Brexit and with a trade deal and crushed your party and Labour in 2019. Boris also delivered the vaccines and furlough with Sunak and had a broader cabinet than Truss' was.
The mistake was getting rid of Boris
You're persistently pretending to act like 2022 Boris was the same as 2019 Boris.
The very fact they were able to oust him shows his unsuitability - someone who won as big as he did should never have been vulnerable so soon, he should have been untouchable.
That he was removed shows just how sleazy and incompetent a figure he was - yes he was hated by opponents, but he threw away his own support.
The Labour lead over the Tories has doubled since Boris was removed and the economy crashed.
It was always you and the liberal left who wanted Boris out as you feared him, the Tory parliamentary party was stupid enough to listen you over a case of after work drinks and a birthday cake. Pathetic!!!!
Does your self proclaimed Christianity extend one miilimetre beyond the pleasure of interfering in the decisions of pregnant women who want to be not pregnant? Have you any moral standards at all?
O/T but specially for @TSE - French win more battles than British/English (and logically the latter should be disqualified for cheating by getting the Irish, Scottish, Welsh added to their team during the match).
“The creation of Modern France through expansion goes back to the establishment of a small kingdom in the area around Paris in the late tenth century and was not completed until the incorporation of Nice and Savoy in 1860. The existing "hexagon" was the result of a long series of wars and conquests involving the triumph of French language and culture over what once were autonomous and culturally distinctive communities. The assimilation of Gascons, Savoyards, Occitans, Basques, and others helped to sustain the myth that French overseas expansionism in the nineteenth century, especially to North and West Africa, was a continuation of the same assimilationist project.” —George M. Fredrickson, Standford University.
If the change is needed, the 1922 need to facilitate conditions under which it can happen and give the parliamentarian market confidence to act if feels it needs to do so.
That can only be in the form of rule changes, but ones with an eye to the longer term, not just for today. Such as one or more of (brainstorming):
- Removing or seriously reducing the 1 year protection (maybe 3 months?) - MPs each get two votes on the candidates to put forward for PM - Conclave type system for putting candidates forward with 2/3 approval needed for each candidate - Member vote in government replaced by constituency association meetings and backing. - An elected position of a genuine Heir-Apparent Deputy to be voted on an annual basis, negating the need for leadership elections.
Afternoon all! Myself and my wife have been wandering around Ipswich hospital all day, plus of course the hours drive to and from. Gather there's some big news! As the guy driving us home, taxi driver called Mohammed, said this country seems in a dreadful mess!
Come on @Heathener you say you have the post. In front of you. So just cut and paste. Takes seconds. And link, please.
Surprised to see you so animated about being accused of saying something a bit silly.
I’m travelling around the world for free. Again. Always makes me feisty
But, really, PB-era can’t go around accusing others of lying and saying “I have the proof right here” and then not actually provide the proof
We have PB standards and it has always been up to me, in the end, to uphold them
@heathener says she has the exact quote I made, unironically calling liz truss the “Tory saviour, a diamond in the rough” and much else. So all she has to is paste it and link it
Why does she have to? Fuck all will happen if she doesn't.
No, it's the only way to shut him up. Could have taken up the best part of the next half dozen threads otherwise.
Leon is Heathener ffs. The whole thing is just him having a bizarre onanistic chat with himself. It's obviously a boring flight.
This keeps coming up - there is no way that Leon is Heathener.
There bloody is way, he as good as admitted it before her last long absence.
Like I say, he hints/admits it because it flatters to be thought of as being capable of pulling that off.
It's a No. Trust me.
I thought Leon was simply SeanT (and a few others). I know he brought both in on the day of the Queen's funeral. Didn't he get into a fight with himself on that day?
The reversal of the corporation tax cut is as stupid a move by Truss as could have been, especially when combined with keeping the removal on the cap on bankers' bonuses.
What's been lost in the stereotyping "it's a big bung for businesses" is that plenty of self-employed people - including myself - set up limited companies to reduce the tax burden. Yes, we may pay lower taxes overall but then we don't have paid holidays, sickness cover, access to work supplemented pension schemes or - especially for those in the state sector - defined benefit pensions.
Now, for those of who of us who take dividends out, we have effectively had 6p in the pound wiped off our dividend payout potential.
The big companies will be fine, they will pay their accountants to find ways to reduce the tax rate. Small companies - not so much.
Holiday/sick/pension should be covered by the rate you charge, not subsidised by full taxpayers
Isnt the rise in CT just for companies with profits over £50k as well? And only fully implemented on those over £250k.
Self employed people are either earning plenty or not impacted.
A VoNC would be a good idea from Labour right now. Get every Tory MP to sign up to the Truss government so that they own this abject mess.
I don't agree. A VONC would be poor politics from Starmer. No Tory MP would vote with Labour, as it would mean a GE and they're not going to vote to lose their jobs.
Starmer should keep on exactly as he is: preparing Labour for government, and letting the Tories bring about their own destruction with just the occasional nudge from him when they need a bit more help - which is rarely.
You have to hand it to the ERG, they backed a Remainer, Truss over a Leaver, Sunak and ignored those who wanted to back Leaver Badenoch.
They now have a Remainer as PM and Remainer Hunt as Chancellor, Boris' opponent from 2019 of course and a staunch May loyalist.
One can't help but laugh at Mark Francois who is responsible for this!
There is only one person responsible and that is your toxic hero Johnson
No. Boris won the Tories this majority and ERG backers like Baker turning on him and Francois then ordering the ERG to back Truss has meant they have now seen a Leaver PM and Leaver Chancellor in Boris and Sunak replaced by Remainer Truss as PM and Remainer Hunt as Chancellor.
This now looks more like it could be more like the old May government than the Boris government
Boris toxic and irresponsible behaviour led us to today
And by the way you voted remain
No, the likes of you forcing him out over partygate led to today and a bigger Starmer lead than ever there was under Boris.
Yes I did vote Remain and will remain loyal to this government (as I was to the May government) and Hunt is a serious figure for the Treasury and a proper Tory but I also respected the Leave vote and it was only Boris who delivered Brexit
I didn’t force him out
Boris behaviour became so toxic he was unacceptable to the vast majority of ordinary people
HYUFD is like a babysitting agency which sends you a heroin-addicted thief whom you reject, so they send you a convicted paedophile instead. When you complain about the paedophile they say Well, you should've stuck with the thief.
Colourful but correct.
Boris remains unsuitable, and in a personal level not policy which is most remarkable. You have to be really sleazy for MPs to not look the other way.
This all starts with Boris. He is the one that has triggered the destruction of this Government with his dishonesty, corruption, damage to the constitution and gutting of many of the sensible Conservatives from the party.
One could argue it goes back to Cameron re the Referendum, but I think that is unfair. He probably had little choice and although Brexit was a near impossible task it could have been done much better and without all the subsequent Boris stuff that was not Brexit related.
As far as I am concerned this all lays at Boris's door. Truss is simply an inevitable corollary of it all.
The economic problems have two major proximate causes - Russia's invasion of Ukraine (the Tory response being supported by all parties) and lockdown (the Tory response being opposed by all parties only for not being big enough).
That is fair until the point we arrive at the OBS- free- mini-non-budget-economic-statement. That was a fiasco entirely of Kwarteng's making. It exacebated an already dangerous situation, and has continued so to do.
Your economic “dangerous situation” not even a bit bigged up by you following the over the top media coverage of it, in your opinion?
In my opinion, if the polls had hardly moved, hardly dropped, little political pressure on Truss from her own party, Kwarteng would still be there. Tell me I’m wrong.
It’s the poll movement driving this, the public alienation from the bad politics of the mini budget, not a economic volcano to be appeased.
The real pressure on UK from the markets has not even begun yet.
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Watching that press conference and I've come to a profound realisation.
Gordon Brown is no longer the worst PM of my lifetime.
Steady. Has she sold our gold at the bottom of the market? Has she set up a financial regulatory system which was positively designed to have no one at the wheel when things went wrong? Has she had the first runs on UK banks since the 19th century? Has she set her party and the country up to have a GE and then run away from it? Has she hung on in Downing Street having clearly lost her majority (ok, that one might be arguable)?
Given time, maybe but she has barely started.
It took Gordon Brown thirteen years and the crash of Lehmman Bros 3,500 miles across the Atlantic to realise your accusations, some of which are disputable.
Truss/Kwarteng had barely been in fully functioning (after the late Monarch's departure) office for thirteen hours before they had a) a run on the pound b) crashed the gilts market c) raised mortgage rates to a 25 year high d) achieved a 30 point Labour polling lead and e) returned the mantle of "the Nasty Party" to the Conservatives after decades of detoxification.
Truss might interestingly be the shortest PM ever, but she does have a fairly unusual distinction of also being one of the few PMs (certainly post war) to serve two monarchs.
That'll be an interesting trivia question a few decades from now.
On topic, although I didn't want Truss, it was not for me to decide (not being a Conservative member). I think however, the idea that the members can and should be excluded from the vote going forward is a really really bad idea. What is the point of being a Conservative party member therefore?
The rules should probably be different, perhaps the idea that MPs put themselves forward (with a base level of support) who are then voted on by the members with the (say) top three going to MP ballot, but to exclude them completely isn't going to sit well with members, or anyone who respects democracy.
Of course, the better option would be to force a new PM to call a GE within X months of taking office, to confirm the party's choice by the voters (or otherwise, as the case may be). Still think Truss should've done that, but too late now.
The yield on 30-year bonds now indicates markets are more worried, not less, since Liz Truss sacked Kwasi Kwarteng, u-turned on £17bn a year of corporation tax and replaced him with Jeremy Hunt. One can only speculate why. It may be to do with her performance in the presser: https://twitter.com/andyverity/status/1580925884915388416/photo/1
Or perhaps it undermines the whole infantile theory about why the market turbulence happened in the first place.
It may do but you shouldn't spring a radical change of policy without preparing the ground and building support first. Particularly a change that is electorally unpopular.
I think the problem may be that she’d spent months doing what politicians do during a GE - travelling the country, making her pitch - following which members voted and she got the job. So she imagined she had a mandate for pushing ahead with her changes when in reality there is an ocean between a real election victory and a grudging preference expressed by a tiny number of economically inactive geriatrics.
You have to hand it to the ERG, they backed a Remainer, Truss over a Leaver, Sunak and ignored those who wanted to back Leaver Badenoch.
They now have a Remainer as PM and Remainer Hunt as Chancellor, Boris' opponent from 2019 of course and a staunch May loyalist.
One can't help but laugh at Mark Francois who is responsible for this!
There is only one person responsible and that is your toxic hero Johnson
No. Boris won the Tories this majority and ERG backers like Baker turning on him and Francois then ordering the ERG to back Truss has meant they have now seen a Leaver PM and Leaver Chancellor in Boris and Sunak replaced by Remainer Truss as PM and Remainer Hunt as Chancellor.
This now looks more like it could be more like the old May government than the Boris government
Boris toxic and irresponsible behaviour led us to today
And by the way you voted remain
No, the likes of you forcing him out over partygate led to today and a bigger Starmer lead than ever there was under Boris.
Yes I did vote Remain and will remain loyal to this government (as I was to the May government) and Hunt is a serious figure for the Treasury and a proper Tory but I also respected the Leave vote and it was only Boris who delivered Brexit
I didn’t force him out
Boris behaviour became so toxic he was unacceptable to the vast majority of ordinary people
HYUFD is like a babysitting agency which sends you a heroin-addicted thief whom you reject, so they send you a convicted paedophile instead. When you complain about the paedophile they say Well, you should've stuck with the thief.
Colourful but correct.
Boris remains unsuitable, and in a personal level not policy which is most remarkable. You have to be really sleazy for MPs to not look the other way.
This all starts with Boris. He is the one that has triggered the destruction of this Government with his dishonesty, corruption, damage to the constitution and gutting of many of the sensible Conservatives from the party.
One could argue it goes back to Cameron re the Referendum, but I think that is unfair. He probably had little choice and although Brexit was a near impossible task it could have been done much better and without all the subsequent Boris stuff that was not Brexit related.
As far as I am concerned this all lays at Boris's door. Truss is simply an inevitable corollary of it all.
No, Boris was the one who delivered Brexit and with a trade deal and crushed your party and Labour in 2019. Boris also delivered the vaccines and furlough with Sunak and had a broader cabinet than Truss' was.
The mistake was getting rid of Boris
Why are you defending somebody put a known groper in a senior position then lied about it?
Do you even possess a moral compass?
Why should Tories care less what a LD voter like you thinks? You even voted LD in 2019 when Boris won a landslide, you wanted him out years before Pincher, who let us not forget lost the whip under Boris anyway
I don't think that's a fair response.
It's not about his opinion; he is asking you to reflect on whether your values allow you to be comfortable with Boris now you are aware of his flaws.
You have to hand it to the ERG, they backed a Remainer, Truss over a Leaver, Sunak and ignored those who wanted to back Leaver Badenoch.
They now have a Remainer as PM and Remainer Hunt as Chancellor, Boris' opponent from 2019 of course and a staunch May loyalist.
One can't help but laugh at Mark Francois who is responsible for this!
There is only one person responsible and that is your toxic hero Johnson
No. Boris won the Tories this majority and ERG backers like Baker turning on him and Francois then ordering the ERG to back Truss has meant they have now seen a Leaver PM and Leaver Chancellor in Boris and Sunak replaced by Remainer Truss as PM and Remainer Hunt as Chancellor.
This now looks more like it could be more like the old May government than the Boris government
Boris toxic and irresponsible behaviour led us to today
And by the way you voted remain
No, the likes of you forcing him out over partygate led to today and a bigger Starmer lead than ever there was under Boris.
Yes I did vote Remain and will remain loyal to this government (as I was to the May government) and Hunt is a serious figure for the Treasury and a proper Tory but I also respected the Leave vote and it was only Boris who delivered Brexit
I didn’t force him out
Boris behaviour became so toxic he was unacceptable to the vast majority of ordinary people
HYUFD is like a babysitting agency which sends you a heroin-addicted thief whom you reject, so they send you a convicted paedophile instead. When you complain about the paedophile they say Well, you should've stuck with the thief.
Colourful but correct.
Boris remains unsuitable, and in a personal level not policy which is most remarkable. You have to be really sleazy for MPs to not look the other way.
This all starts with Boris. He is the one that has triggered the destruction of this Government with his dishonesty, corruption, damage to the constitution and gutting of many of the sensible Conservatives from the party.
One could argue it goes back to Cameron re the Referendum, but I think that is unfair. He probably had little choice and although Brexit was a near impossible task it could have been done much better and without all the subsequent Boris stuff that was not Brexit related.
As far as I am concerned this all lays at Boris's door. Truss is simply an inevitable corollary of it all.
No, Boris was the one who delivered Brexit and with a trade deal and crushed your party and Labour in 2019. Boris also delivered the vaccines and furlough with Sunak and had a broader cabinet than Truss' was.
The mistake was getting rid of Boris
You're persistently pretending to act like 2022 Boris was the same as 2019 Boris.
The very fact they were able to oust him shows his unsuitability - someone who won as big as he did should never have been vulnerable so soon, he should have been untouchable.
That he was removed shows just how sleazy and incompetent a figure he was - yes he was hated by opponents, but he threw away his own support.
The Labour lead over the Tories has doubled since Boris was removed and the economy crashed.
It was always you and the liberal left who wanted Boris out as you feared him, the Tory parliamentary party was stupid enough to listen you over a case of after work drinks and a birthday cake. Pathetic!!!!
We wanted him out because he was a lying shit, totally unfit for office and an embarrassment for the country.
The fact that your party is stupid enough to replace him with Truss is not the fault of the Labour Party.
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That’s a lot. In theory just the existence of the scheme was supposed to deter the market.
A Tory MP boasting on TV couple of days ago that it’s just £2bn spent.
The government is supposed to underwrite pension funds, not the bank? What do we think the nigh on TWENTY BILLION has bought? Have naughty people, overly greedy for many years just received an I’ll deserved bail out and get out of jail free card at the UK tax payers expense?
Every American executive and engineer working in China’s semiconductor manufacturing industry resigned yesterday, paralyzing Chinese manufacturing overnight.
One round of sanctions from Biden did more damage than all four years of performative sanctioning under Trump.
Trump and his "Republican" fellow grifters are big-time bull-shit artists, as demonstrated by their strictly rhetorical opposition to their fellow Putinists in Beijing.
Just back from a 20 minute walk. Has she quit yet?
I'm going against the grain, I think she's done enough to be a puppet PM until the new year.
It's very volatile, and therefore very hard to read, but I tend to agree. All the drawbacks of MPs acting to get rid of her still apply, and it is still the case that there's no compelling alternative. A zombie government staggering on, with Hunt effectively running it on a caretaker basis, looks quite likely to me. But who knows?
At some point Tory MPs have to face the question of who leads them into the next election. But if Hunt can convince that he'll keep the ship of state afloat for the next few months then the urgency of replacing Truss disappears, and instead making sure your favoured candidate takes over rises in importance.
That makes it harder for them to settle on a unity candidate, though I guess that if Hunt does bring some order the obvious solution is to make the de facto PM the de jure PM.
And yet. MPs are clearly not happy. They may be in a reckless mood.
Watching that press conference and I've come to a profound realisation.
Gordon Brown is no longer the worst PM of my lifetime.
Steady. Has she sold our gold at the bottom of the market? Has she set up a financial regulatory system which was positively designed to have no one at the wheel when things went wrong? Has she had the first runs on UK banks since the 19th century? Has she set her party and the country up to have a GE and then run away from it? Has she hung on in Downing Street having clearly lost her majority (ok, that one might be arguable)?
Given time, maybe but she has barely started.
It took Gordon Brown thirteen years and the crash of Lehmman Bros 3,500 miles across the Atlantic to realise your accusations, some of which are disputable.
Truss/Kwarteng had barely been in fully functioning (after the late Monarch's departure) office for thirteen hours before they had a) a run on the pound b) crashed the gilts market c) raised mortgage rates to a 25 year high d) achieved a 30 point Labour polling lead and e) returned the mantle of "the Nasty Party" to the Conservatives after decades of detoxification.
Truss might interestingly be the shortest PM ever, but she does have a fairly unusual distinction of also being one of the few PMs (certainly post war) to serve two monarchs.
That'll be an interesting trivia question a few decades from now.
On topic, although I didn't want Truss, it was not for me to decide (not being a Conservative member). I think however, the idea that the members can and should be excluded from the vote going forward is a really really bad idea. What is the point of being a Conservative party member therefore?
The rules should probably be different, perhaps the idea that MPs put themselves forward (with a base level of support) who are then voted on by the members with the (say) top three going to MP ballot, but to exclude them completely isn't going to sit well with members, or anyone who respects democracy.
Of course, the better option would be to force a new PM to call a GE within X months of taking office, to confirm the party's choice by the voters (or otherwise, as the case may be). Still think Truss should've done that, but too late now.
You do realise membership voting was introduced (and later regretted and deprecated) by William Hague, himself elected by MPs only? A lorra people saw a point in being party members prior to that (membership has halved from there).
Afternoon all! Myself and my wife have been wandering around Ipswich hospital all day, plus of course the hours drive to and from. Gather there's some big news! As the guy driving us home, taxi driver called Mohammed, said this country seems in a dreadful mess!
Paul Kelso @pkelso · 19m New: @bankofengland emergency gilt buying scheme concludes having spent £19.3bn of the £65bn set aside, £1.5bn of it today
That’s a lot. In theory just the existence of the scheme was supposed to deter the market.
A Tory MP boasting on TV couple of days ago that it’s just £2bn spent.
The government is supposed to underwrite pension funds, not the bank? What do we think the nigh on TWENTY BILLION has bought? Have naughty people, overly greedy for many years just received an I’ll deserved bail out at the UK tax payers expense?
Afternoon all! Myself and my wife have been wandering around Ipswich hospital all day, plus of course the hours drive to and from. Gather there's some big news! As the guy driving us home, taxi driver called Mohammed, said this country seems in a dreadful mess!
Watching that press conference and I've come to a profound realisation.
Gordon Brown is no longer the worst PM of my lifetime.
Steady. Has she sold our gold at the bottom of the market? Has she set up a financial regulatory system which was positively designed to have no one at the wheel when things went wrong? Has she had the first runs on UK banks since the 19th century? Has she set her party and the country up to have a GE and then run away from it? Has she hung on in Downing Street having clearly lost her majority (ok, that one might be arguable)?
Given time, maybe but she has barely started.
It took Gordon Brown thirteen years and the crash of Lehmman Bros 3,500 miles across the Atlantic to realise your accusations, some of which are disputable.
Truss/Kwarteng had barely been in fully functioning (after the late Monarch's departure) office for thirteen hours before they had a) a run on the pound b) crashed the gilts market c) raised mortgage rates to a 25 year high d) achieved a 30 point Labour polling lead and e) returned the mantle of "the Nasty Party" to the Conservatives after decades of detoxification.
Truss might interestingly be the shortest PM ever, but she does have a fairly unusual distinction of also being one of the few PMs (certainly post war) to serve two monarchs.
That'll be an interesting trivia question a few decades from now.
On topic, although I didn't want Truss, it was not for me to decide (not being a Conservative member). I think however, the idea that the members can and should be excluded from the vote going forward is a really really bad idea. What is the point of being a Conservative party member therefore?
The rules should probably be different, perhaps the idea that MPs put themselves forward (with a base level of support) who are then voted on by the members with the (say) top three going to MP ballot, but to exclude them completely isn't going to sit well with members, or anyone who respects democracy.
Of course, the better option would be to force a new PM to call a GE within X months of taking office, to confirm the party's choice by the voters (or otherwise, as the case may be). Still think Truss should've done that, but too late now.
What was the point of being a party member before they were able to vote for party leader? It wasn't that long ago.
It might make sense in a time with mass memberships, but that time is not now, so all it does it make a bunch of weirdos feel entitled. It also gives opportunity for people to go to war with their own MPs, by claiming member backing is more important, as HYUFD and Rees-Mogg claim.
Afternoon all! Myself and my wife have been wandering around Ipswich hospital all day, plus of course the hours drive to and from. Gather there's some big news! As the guy driving us home, taxi driver called Mohammed, said this country seems in a dreadful mess!
You should have asked whether he was from Albania before you got in!
You have to hand it to the ERG, they backed a Remainer, Truss over a Leaver, Sunak and ignored those who wanted to back Leaver Badenoch.
They now have a Remainer as PM and Remainer Hunt as Chancellor, Boris' opponent from 2019 of course and a staunch May loyalist.
One can't help but laugh at Mark Francois who is responsible for this!
There is only one person responsible and that is your toxic hero Johnson
No. Boris won the Tories this majority and ERG backers like Baker turning on him and Francois then ordering the ERG to back Truss has meant they have now seen a Leaver PM and Leaver Chancellor in Boris and Sunak replaced by Remainer Truss as PM and Remainer Hunt as Chancellor.
This now looks more like it could be more like the old May government than the Boris government
Boris toxic and irresponsible behaviour led us to today
And by the way you voted remain
No, the likes of you forcing him out over partygate led to today and a bigger Starmer lead than ever there was under Boris.
Yes I did vote Remain and will remain loyal to this government (as I was to the May government) and Hunt is a serious figure for the Treasury and a proper Tory but I also respected the Leave vote and it was only Boris who delivered Brexit
I didn’t force him out
Boris behaviour became so toxic he was unacceptable to the vast majority of ordinary people
HYUFD is like a babysitting agency which sends you a heroin-addicted thief whom you reject, so they send you a convicted paedophile instead. When you complain about the paedophile they say Well, you should've stuck with the thief.
Colourful but correct.
Boris remains unsuitable, and in a personal level not policy which is most remarkable. You have to be really sleazy for MPs to not look the other way.
This all starts with Boris. He is the one that has triggered the destruction of this Government with his dishonesty, corruption, damage to the constitution and gutting of many of the sensible Conservatives from the party.
One could argue it goes back to Cameron re the Referendum, but I think that is unfair. He probably had little choice and although Brexit was a near impossible task it could have been done much better and without all the subsequent Boris stuff that was not Brexit related.
As far as I am concerned this all lays at Boris's door. Truss is simply an inevitable corollary of it all.
The economic problems have two major proximate causes - Russia's invasion of Ukraine (the Tory response being supported by all parties) and lockdown (the Tory response being opposed by all parties only for not being big enough).
I'm not talking about the economic problems. At no point did I mention them in what I posted. Both were/are very challenging and I doubt anyone else would have been any better at handling them.
However they are not the cause of this Govts issues (although they don't help). Boris's opportunistic grasping of the Brexit debacle and subsequent behaviour is what has destroyed this Govt. They were plummeting the depths before he finally and rightly got removed and it has been downhill ever since as a consequence.
Paul Kelso @pkelso · 19m New: @bankofengland emergency gilt buying scheme concludes having spent £19.3bn of the £65bn set aside, £1.5bn of it today
That’s a lot. In theory just the existence of the scheme was supposed to deter the market.
A Tory MP boasting on TV couple of days ago that it’s just £2bn spent.
The government is supposed to underwrite pension funds, not the bank? What do we think the nigh on TWENTY BILLION has bought? Have naughty people, overly greedy for many years just received an I’ll deserved bail out and get out of jail free card at the UK tax payers expense?
The Bank has bought gilts off the pension funds because they need liquidity v quickly. The £20b has bought government ious which it can sell back to the market. One day. Ho hum.
One thing Hunt has been very very consistent on is the strong support for high speed rail, often referring to his experiences on the bullet trains in Japan and how desirable it would be to have a similar service in this country.
Wonder if he lasts long enough to have any influence whatsoever if he'll work to re-instate some of the cuts to NPR and HS2 ?
Watching that press conference and I've come to a profound realisation.
Gordon Brown is no longer the worst PM of my lifetime.
Steady. Has she sold our gold at the bottom of the market? Has she set up a financial regulatory system which was positively designed to have no one at the wheel when things went wrong? Has she had the first runs on UK banks since the 19th century? Has she set her party and the country up to have a GE and then run away from it? Has she hung on in Downing Street having clearly lost her majority (ok, that one might be arguable)?
Given time, maybe but she has barely started.
It took Gordon Brown thirteen years and the crash of Lehmman Bros 3,500 miles across the Atlantic to realise your accusations, some of which are disputable.
Truss/Kwarteng had barely been in fully functioning (after the late Monarch's departure) office for thirteen hours before they had a) a run on the pound b) crashed the gilts market c) raised mortgage rates to a 25 year high d) achieved a 30 point Labour polling lead and e) returned the mantle of "the Nasty Party" to the Conservatives after decades of detoxification.
Truss might interestingly be the shortest PM ever, but she does have a fairly unusual distinction of also being one of the few PMs (certainly post war) to serve two monarchs.
That'll be an interesting trivia question a few decades from now.
On topic, although I didn't want Truss, it was not for me to decide (not being a Conservative member). I think however, the idea that the members can and should be excluded from the vote going forward is a really really bad idea. What is the point of being a Conservative party member therefore?
The rules should probably be different, perhaps the idea that MPs put themselves forward (with a base level of support) who are then voted on by the members with the (say) top three going to MP ballot, but to exclude them completely isn't going to sit well with members, or anyone who respects democracy.
Of course, the better option would be to force a new PM to call a GE within X months of taking office, to confirm the party's choice by the voters (or otherwise, as the case may be). Still think Truss should've done that, but too late now.
You do realise membership voting was introduced (and later regretted and deprecated) by William Hague, himself elected by MPs only? A lorra people saw a point in being party members prior to that (membership has halved from there).
£25 shouldn't buy you a vote.
Indeed - you should get a whole bundle of votes for that, given that voting for Corbyn only cost £3
Every American executive and engineer working in China’s semiconductor manufacturing industry resigned yesterday, paralyzing Chinese manufacturing overnight.
One round of sanctions from Biden did more damage than all four years of performative sanctioning under Trump.
Trump and his "Republican" fellow grifters are big-time bull-shit artists, as demonstrated by their strictly rhetorical opposition to their fellow Putinists in Beijing.
If you label everyone you don't like a "Putinist", it loses any analytical value.
One thing Hunt has been very very consistent on is the strong support for high speed rail, often referring to his experiences on the bullet trains in Japan and how desirable it would be to have a similar service in this country.
Wonder if he lasts long enough to have any influence whatsoever if he'll work to re-instate some of the cuts to NPR and HS2 ?
At the moment I find I am getting vibes more of Mr Huskisson when I think of Tories and new railways.
Watching that press conference and I've come to a profound realisation.
Gordon Brown is no longer the worst PM of my lifetime.
Steady. Has she sold our gold at the bottom of the market? Has she set up a financial regulatory system which was positively designed to have no one at the wheel when things went wrong? Has she had the first runs on UK banks since the 19th century? Has she set her party and the country up to have a GE and then run away from it? Has she hung on in Downing Street having clearly lost her majority (ok, that one might be arguable)?
Given time, maybe but she has barely started.
It took Gordon Brown thirteen years and the crash of Lehmman Bros 3,500 miles across the Atlantic to realise your accusations, some of which are disputable.
Truss/Kwarteng had barely been in fully functioning (after the late Monarch's departure) office for thirteen hours before they had a) a run on the pound b) crashed the gilts market c) raised mortgage rates to a 25 year high d) achieved a 30 point Labour polling lead and e) returned the mantle of "the Nasty Party" to the Conservatives after decades of detoxification.
Truss might interestingly be the shortest PM ever, but she does have a fairly unusual distinction of also being one of the few PMs (certainly post war) to serve two monarchs.
That'll be an interesting trivia question a few decades from now.
On topic, although I didn't want Truss, it was not for me to decide (not being a Conservative member). I think however, the idea that the members can and should be excluded from the vote going forward is a really really bad idea. What is the point of being a Conservative party member therefore?
The rules should probably be different, perhaps the idea that MPs put themselves forward (with a base level of support) who are then voted on by the members with the (say) top three going to MP ballot, but to exclude them completely isn't going to sit well with members, or anyone who respects democracy.
Of course, the better option would be to force a new PM to call a GE within X months of taking office, to confirm the party's choice by the voters (or otherwise, as the case may be). Still think Truss should've done that, but too late now.
What was the point of being a party member before they were able to vote for party leader? It wasn't that long ago.
Delivering leaflets gets you out of the house, and moving more?
Paul Kelso @pkelso · 19m New: @bankofengland emergency gilt buying scheme concludes having spent £19.3bn of the £65bn set aside, £1.5bn of it today
That’s a lot. In theory just the existence of the scheme was supposed to deter the market.
A Tory MP boasting on TV couple of days ago that it’s just £2bn spent.
The government is supposed to underwrite pension funds, not the bank? What do we think the nigh on TWENTY BILLION has bought? Have naughty people, overly greedy for many years just received an I’ll deserved bail out at the UK tax payers expense?
You have to hand it to the ERG, they backed a Remainer, Truss over a Leaver, Sunak and ignored those who wanted to back Leaver Badenoch.
They now have a Remainer as PM and Remainer Hunt as Chancellor, Boris' opponent from 2019 of course and a staunch May loyalist.
One can't help but laugh at Mark Francois who is responsible for this!
There is only one person responsible and that is your toxic hero Johnson
No. Boris won the Tories this majority and ERG backers like Baker turning on him and Francois then ordering the ERG to back Truss has meant they have now seen a Leaver PM and Leaver Chancellor in Boris and Sunak replaced by Remainer Truss as PM and Remainer Hunt as Chancellor.
This now looks more like it could be more like the old May government than the Boris government
Boris toxic and irresponsible behaviour led us to today
And by the way you voted remain
No, the likes of you forcing him out over partygate led to today and a bigger Starmer lead than ever there was under Boris.
Yes I did vote Remain and will remain loyal to this government (as I was to the May government) and Hunt is a serious figure for the Treasury and a proper Tory but I also respected the Leave vote and it was only Boris who delivered Brexit
I didn’t force him out
Boris behaviour became so toxic he was unacceptable to the vast majority of ordinary people
HYUFD is like a babysitting agency which sends you a heroin-addicted thief whom you reject, so they send you a convicted paedophile instead. When you complain about the paedophile they say Well, you should've stuck with the thief.
Colourful but correct.
Boris remains unsuitable, and in a personal level not policy which is most remarkable. You have to be really sleazy for MPs to not look the other way.
This all starts with Boris. He is the one that has triggered the destruction of this Government with his dishonesty, corruption, damage to the constitution and gutting of many of the sensible Conservatives from the party.
One could argue it goes back to Cameron re the Referendum, but I think that is unfair. He probably had little choice and although Brexit was a near impossible task it could have been done much better and without all the subsequent Boris stuff that was not Brexit related.
As far as I am concerned this all lays at Boris's door. Truss is simply an inevitable corollary of it all.
No, Boris was the one who delivered Brexit and with a trade deal and crushed your party and Labour in 2019. Boris also delivered the vaccines and furlough with Sunak and had a broader cabinet than Truss' was.
The mistake was getting rid of Boris
Why are you defending somebody put a known groper in a senior position then lied about it?
Do you even possess a moral compass?
Why should Tories care less what a LD voter like you thinks?...
Since you're down to about 20% of voters, perhaps you should be less picky ?
If Truss goes I’m not sure a successor will pull Hunt out of the Treasury (unless he is the successor). 5 chancellors in a year would be beyond ridiculous. Does create a slight hiccup in the idea of the Rishi/Penny dream team.
You have to hand it to the ERG, they backed a Remainer, Truss over a Leaver, Sunak and ignored those who wanted to back Leaver Badenoch.
They now have a Remainer as PM and Remainer Hunt as Chancellor, Boris' opponent from 2019 of course and a staunch May loyalist.
One can't help but laugh at Mark Francois who is responsible for this!
There is only one person responsible and that is your toxic hero Johnson
No. Boris won the Tories this majority and ERG backers like Baker turning on him and Francois then ordering the ERG to back Truss has meant they have now seen a Leaver PM and Leaver Chancellor in Boris and Sunak replaced by Remainer Truss as PM and Remainer Hunt as Chancellor.
This now looks more like it could be more like the old May government than the Boris government
Boris toxic and irresponsible behaviour led us to today
And by the way you voted remain
No, the likes of you forcing him out over partygate led to today and a bigger Starmer lead than ever there was under Boris.
Yes I did vote Remain and will remain loyal to this government (as I was to the May government) and Hunt is a serious figure for the Treasury and a proper Tory but I also respected the Leave vote and it was only Boris who delivered Brexit
I didn’t force him out
Boris behaviour became so toxic he was unacceptable to the vast majority of ordinary people
HYUFD is like a babysitting agency which sends you a heroin-addicted thief whom you reject, so they send you a convicted paedophile instead. When you complain about the paedophile they say Well, you should've stuck with the thief.
Colourful but correct.
Boris remains unsuitable, and in a personal level not policy which is most remarkable. You have to be really sleazy for MPs to not look the other way.
This all starts with Boris. He is the one that has triggered the destruction of this Government with his dishonesty, corruption, damage to the constitution and gutting of many of the sensible Conservatives from the party.
One could argue it goes back to Cameron re the Referendum, but I think that is unfair. He probably had little choice and although Brexit was a near impossible task it could have been done much better and without all the subsequent Boris stuff that was not Brexit related.
As far as I am concerned this all lays at Boris's door. Truss is simply an inevitable corollary of it all.
No, Boris was the one who delivered Brexit and with a trade deal and crushed your party and Labour in 2019. Boris also delivered the vaccines and furlough with Sunak and had a broader cabinet than Truss' was.
The mistake was getting rid of Boris
You're persistently pretending to act like 2022 Boris was the same as 2019 Boris.
The very fact they were able to oust him shows his unsuitability - someone who won as big as he did should never have been vulnerable so soon, he should have been untouchable.
That he was removed shows just how sleazy and incompetent a figure he was - yes he was hated by opponents, but he threw away his own support.
The Labour lead over the Tories has doubled since Boris was removed and the economy crashed.
It was always you and the liberal left who wanted Boris out as you feared him, the Tory parliamentary party was stupid enough to listen you over a case of after work drinks and a birthday cake. Pathetic!!!!
We wanted him out because he was a lying shit, totally unfit for office and an embarrassment for the country.
The fact that your party is stupid enough to replace him with Truss is not the fault of the Labour Party.
You wanted him out because he won the biggest Tory victory over you since Thatcher. No other alternative Conservative leader threatened the liberal left like Boris did
A week is long time in politics – The Cons grab a couple of points from Reform & a couple of points from Labour – but there's still a formidable 21 point gap (Field 13-14 Oct)
Con: 28% (+4 from 6-7 Oct) Lab: 49% (-2) Lib Dem 10% (0) Green 5%(0) Reform UK:4%(-2) SNP 3% (0)
You have to hand it to the ERG, they backed a Remainer, Truss over a Leaver, Sunak and ignored those who wanted to back Leaver Badenoch.
They now have a Remainer as PM and Remainer Hunt as Chancellor, Boris' opponent from 2019 of course and a staunch May loyalist.
One can't help but laugh at Mark Francois who is responsible for this!
There is only one person responsible and that is your toxic hero Johnson
No. Boris won the Tories this majority and ERG backers like Baker turning on him and Francois then ordering the ERG to back Truss has meant they have now seen a Leaver PM and Leaver Chancellor in Boris and Sunak replaced by Remainer Truss as PM and Remainer Hunt as Chancellor.
This now looks more like it could be more like the old May government than the Boris government
Boris toxic and irresponsible behaviour led us to today
And by the way you voted remain
No, the likes of you forcing him out over partygate led to today and a bigger Starmer lead than ever there was under Boris.
Yes I did vote Remain and will remain loyal to this government (as I was to the May government) and Hunt is a serious figure for the Treasury and a proper Tory but I also respected the Leave vote and it was only Boris who delivered Brexit
I didn’t force him out
Boris behaviour became so toxic he was unacceptable to the vast majority of ordinary people
HYUFD is like a babysitting agency which sends you a heroin-addicted thief whom you reject, so they send you a convicted paedophile instead. When you complain about the paedophile they say Well, you should've stuck with the thief.
Colourful but correct.
Boris remains unsuitable, and in a personal level not policy which is most remarkable. You have to be really sleazy for MPs to not look the other way.
This all starts with Boris. He is the one that has triggered the destruction of this Government with his dishonesty, corruption, damage to the constitution and gutting of many of the sensible Conservatives from the party.
One could argue it goes back to Cameron re the Referendum, but I think that is unfair. He probably had little choice and although Brexit was a near impossible task it could have been done much better and without all the subsequent Boris stuff that was not Brexit related.
As far as I am concerned this all lays at Boris's door. Truss is simply an inevitable corollary of it all.
No, Boris was the one who delivered Brexit and with a trade deal and crushed your party and Labour in 2019. Boris also delivered the vaccines and furlough with Sunak and had a broader cabinet than Truss' was.
The mistake was getting rid of Boris
Why are you defending somebody put a known groper in a senior position then lied about it?
Do you even possess a moral compass?
Why should Tories care less what a LD voter like you thinks?...
Since you're down to about 20% of voters, perhaps you should be less picky ?
He still voted LD in 2019 when Boris won 43%
Politicians are supposed to court the electorate, not hold grudges against it.
You have to hand it to the ERG, they backed a Remainer, Truss over a Leaver, Sunak and ignored those who wanted to back Leaver Badenoch.
They now have a Remainer as PM and Remainer Hunt as Chancellor, Boris' opponent from 2019 of course and a staunch May loyalist.
One can't help but laugh at Mark Francois who is responsible for this!
There is only one person responsible and that is your toxic hero Johnson
No. Boris won the Tories this majority and ERG backers like Baker turning on him and Francois then ordering the ERG to back Truss has meant they have now seen a Leaver PM and Leaver Chancellor in Boris and Sunak replaced by Remainer Truss as PM and Remainer Hunt as Chancellor.
This now looks more like it could be more like the old May government than the Boris government
Boris toxic and irresponsible behaviour led us to today
And by the way you voted remain
No, the likes of you forcing him out over partygate led to today and a bigger Starmer lead than ever there was under Boris.
Yes I did vote Remain and will remain loyal to this government (as I was to the May government) and Hunt is a serious figure for the Treasury and a proper Tory but I also respected the Leave vote and it was only Boris who delivered Brexit
I didn’t force him out
Boris behaviour became so toxic he was unacceptable to the vast majority of ordinary people
HYUFD is like a babysitting agency which sends you a heroin-addicted thief whom you reject, so they send you a convicted paedophile instead. When you complain about the paedophile they say Well, you should've stuck with the thief.
Colourful but correct.
Boris remains unsuitable, and in a personal level not policy which is most remarkable. You have to be really sleazy for MPs to not look the other way.
This all starts with Boris. He is the one that has triggered the destruction of this Government with his dishonesty, corruption, damage to the constitution and gutting of many of the sensible Conservatives from the party.
One could argue it goes back to Cameron re the Referendum, but I think that is unfair. He probably had little choice and although Brexit was a near impossible task it could have been done much better and without all the subsequent Boris stuff that was not Brexit related.
As far as I am concerned this all lays at Boris's door. Truss is simply an inevitable corollary of it all.
No, Boris was the one who delivered Brexit and with a trade deal and crushed your party and Labour in 2019. Boris also delivered the vaccines and furlough with Sunak and had a broader cabinet than Truss' was.
The mistake was getting rid of Boris
I know we will never agree on this and I was going to respond but I can see it isn't necessary because of all the many excellent responses already, but I am baffled as to why someone like you, a Christian, can support someone with so few morals. I also can't see how you can't see that he started all this off. He created a long trail of corruption, deception and lies that is destroying the Conservative party. Liz Truss is there because of him. He would not have been removed if he had been honest. Why do you think the Conservative MPs removed him? It wasn't the LDs or Labour party that did it.
Omnisis also asks: If tomorrow there were another referendum on EU membership, how do you think you would vote? Stay out of the EU 35% Rejoin the EU 51% Would not vote 7% Don’t know 7%
Excl WNV/DK: If tomorrow there were another referendum on EU membership, how do you think you would vote? Stay out of the EU 40% Rejoin the EU 60%
A week is long time in politics – The Cons grab a couple of points from Reform & a couple of points from Labour – but there's still a formidable 21 point gap (Field 13-14 Oct)
Con: 28% (+4 from 6-7 Oct) Lab: 49% (-2) Lib Dem 10% (0) Green 5%(0) Reform UK:4%(-2) SNP 3% (0)
You have to hand it to the ERG, they backed a Remainer, Truss over a Leaver, Sunak and ignored those who wanted to back Leaver Badenoch.
They now have a Remainer as PM and Remainer Hunt as Chancellor, Boris' opponent from 2019 of course and a staunch May loyalist.
One can't help but laugh at Mark Francois who is responsible for this!
There is only one person responsible and that is your toxic hero Johnson
No. Boris won the Tories this majority and ERG backers like Baker turning on him and Francois then ordering the ERG to back Truss has meant they have now seen a Leaver PM and Leaver Chancellor in Boris and Sunak replaced by Remainer Truss as PM and Remainer Hunt as Chancellor.
This now looks more like it could be more like the old May government than the Boris government
Boris toxic and irresponsible behaviour led us to today
And by the way you voted remain
No, the likes of you forcing him out over partygate led to today and a bigger Starmer lead than ever there was under Boris.
Yes I did vote Remain and will remain loyal to this government (as I was to the May government) and Hunt is a serious figure for the Treasury and a proper Tory but I also respected the Leave vote and it was only Boris who delivered Brexit
I didn’t force him out
Boris behaviour became so toxic he was unacceptable to the vast majority of ordinary people
HYUFD is like a babysitting agency which sends you a heroin-addicted thief whom you reject, so they send you a convicted paedophile instead. When you complain about the paedophile they say Well, you should've stuck with the thief.
Colourful but correct.
Boris remains unsuitable, and in a personal level not policy which is most remarkable. You have to be really sleazy for MPs to not look the other way.
This all starts with Boris. He is the one that has triggered the destruction of this Government with his dishonesty, corruption, damage to the constitution and gutting of many of the sensible Conservatives from the party.
One could argue it goes back to Cameron re the Referendum, but I think that is unfair. He probably had little choice and although Brexit was a near impossible task it could have been done much better and without all the subsequent Boris stuff that was not Brexit related.
As far as I am concerned this all lays at Boris's door. Truss is simply an inevitable corollary of it all.
The economic problems have two major proximate causes - Russia's invasion of Ukraine (the Tory response being supported by all parties) and lockdown (the Tory response being opposed by all parties only for not being big enough).
That is fair until the point we arrive at the OBS- free- mini-non-budget-economic-statement. That was a fiasco entirely of Kwarteng's making. It exacebated an already dangerous situation, and has continued so to do.
Your economic “dangerous situation” not even a bit bigged up by you following the over the top media coverage of it, in your opinion?
In my opinion, if the polls had hardly moved, hardly dropped, little political pressure on Truss from her own party, Kwarteng would still be there. Tell me I’m wrong.
It’s the poll movement driving this, the public alienation from the bad politics of the mini budget, not a economic volcano to be appeased.
The real pressure on UK from the markets has not even begun yet.
My understanding of economics is from A levels, long, long ago. So long ago that @BartholomewRoberts has explained to me that supply no longer affects demand, and vice-versa, and increasing the money supply is no longer the inflationary hard and fast rule it once was. I will concede to his greater understanding, and likewise yourself. Like the bank of England, I panicked when the cost of gilts went through the roof, and despite their earlier attempts at selling Government Bonds to counter inflation the BoE had to buy, buy, buy, and in order to avert an unprecedented pensions crisis. I am relieved to learn that my foolhardy knee-jerk fear was an error shared with both the BoE and the ratings agencies.
Nonetheless I concur with your notion that "the real pressure on the UK from the markets has not even begun yet".
Liz Truss has tried to reassured the markets by very publicly agreeing with them that she hasn’t got a clue what she’s doing. Somehow, it hasn’t worked.
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https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1580909013788610560
My @NBCNews colleagues and I spent the last month finding the root of America's hottest, dumbest urban legend:
Schools are leaving out litterboxes for kids who identify as furries.
Despite what Joe Rogan says, it's not true.
But its origins are grimmer than you'd ever imagine...
The punchline.
https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1580916262628380672
Here's the reality: We reached out to every school rumored to have a litter box.
We found one: in a "go bucket" for a possible mass shooting (lockdown).
The rumor is a way to marginalize LGBTQ youth.
Here's our full story. It was a lot of work. I hope you read it:
Truss/Kwarteng had barely been in fully functioning (after the late Monarch's departure) office for thirteen hours before they had a) a run on the pound b) crashed the gilts market c) raised mortgage rates to a 25 year high d) achieved a 30 point Labour polling lead and e) returned the mantle of "the Nasty Party" to the Conservatives after decades of detoxification.
It was always you and the liberal left
who wanted Boris out as you feared him, the Tory parliamentary party was stupid enough to listen you over a case of after work drinks and a birthday cake. Pathetic!!!!
@BethRigby
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9m
Cabinet minister tells me "this isn't going to last". Hunt a good choice who'll appeal to the moderate wing of the party, but Truss is not performing "She abandoned one firewall with policy change, then another firewall sacking her chancellor. The only firewall left is her"
Anyone else resigned/sacked yet?
Who is the CoE?
Then there's the of red wallers who have some vestigial loyalty to Johnson who perhaps float between the two but aren't loyal to either.
Add to that the remnants of the pragmatic ex-remainer group who have accepted Brexit, but who will not be trusted by either of the hard Brexiter groups, and the people who backed Sunak, who are hated for bringing down Johnson.
So there's about 5 groups and I can't see how they can even get any 3 to coalesce around a single candidate.
Sends shivers down my spine
Body's aching all the time
Goodbye everybody, I've got to go
Gotta leave you all behind and face the truth
Janet Yellen must be pleased she completely wasted her time meeting Kwarteng yesterday when she could have been talking to serious people
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That can only be in the form of rule changes, but ones with an eye to the longer term, not just for today. Such as one or more of (brainstorming):
- Removing or seriously reducing the 1 year
protection (maybe 3 months?)
- MPs each get two votes on the candidates to put forward for PM
- Conclave type system for putting candidates forward with 2/3 approval needed for each candidate
- Member vote in government replaced by constituency association meetings and backing.
- An elected position of a genuine Heir-Apparent Deputy to be voted on an annual basis, negating the need for leadership elections.
Myself and my wife have been wandering around Ipswich hospital all day, plus of course the hours drive to and from.
Gather there's some big news!
As the guy driving us home, taxi driver called Mohammed, said this country seems in a dreadful mess!
I know he brought both in on the day of the Queen's funeral. Didn't he get into a fight with himself on that day?
https://twitter.com/ilove_aviation/status/1580537491886862338
Self employed people are either earning plenty or not impacted.
Paul Kelso
@pkelso
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emergency gilt buying scheme concludes having spent £19.3bn of the £65bn set aside, £1.5bn of it today
Starmer should keep on exactly as he is: preparing Labour for government, and letting the Tories bring about their own destruction with just the occasional nudge from him when they need a bit more help - which is rarely.
In my opinion, if the polls had hardly moved, hardly dropped, little political pressure on Truss from her own party, Kwarteng would still be there. Tell me I’m wrong.
It’s the poll movement driving this, the public alienation from the bad politics of the mini budget, not a economic volcano to be appeased.
The real pressure on UK from the markets has not even begun yet.
I guess it boils down to "Nothing has Changed. Nothing. Has. Changed."
That'll be an interesting trivia question a few decades from now.
On topic, although I didn't want Truss, it was not for me to decide (not being a Conservative member).
I think however, the idea that the members can and should be excluded from the vote going forward is a really really bad idea.
What is the point of being a Conservative party member therefore?
The rules should probably be different, perhaps the idea that MPs put themselves forward (with a base level of support) who are then voted on by the members with the (say) top three going to MP ballot, but to exclude them completely isn't going to sit well with members, or anyone who respects democracy.
Of course, the better option would be to force a new PM to call a GE within X months of taking office, to confirm the party's choice by the voters (or otherwise, as the case may be). Still think Truss should've done that, but too late now.
@Nigel_Farage
Remainer Jeremy Hunt is the new Chancellor, joining forces with our Remainer PM.
This Conservative party has no authority, no decency and has failed our country.
Brexit is not complete, open border immigration continues and lies are told at every election. The Conservative party needs replacing.
A new proportional voting system will kill @Conservatives off, and after 12 years of Tory misrule — they deserve it.
It's not about his opinion; he is asking you to reflect on whether your values allow you to be comfortable with Boris now you are aware of his flaws.
Clearly he wouldn't want Johnson either way.
The new chancellor will be running the show, and Truss will be a sort of ‘PRINO’ – prime minister in name only
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-hunt-chancellor-liz-truss-new-prime-minister-b2202928.html
I'm only an accountant after all.
The fact that your party is stupid enough to replace him with Truss is not the fault of the Labour Party.
A Tory MP boasting on TV couple of days ago that it’s just £2bn spent.
The government is supposed to underwrite pension funds, not the bank? What do we think the nigh on TWENTY BILLION has bought? Have naughty people, overly greedy for many years just received an I’ll deserved bail out and get out of jail free card at the UK tax payers expense?
That makes it harder for them to settle on a unity candidate, though I guess that if Hunt does bring some order the obvious solution is to make the de facto PM the de jure PM.
And yet. MPs are clearly not happy. They may be in a reckless mood.
£25 shouldn't buy you a vote.
"....Er... Robert...Pest...On..." was the highlight for me.
Does the government bail out DB pensions?
It might make sense in a time with mass memberships, but that time is not now, so all it does it make a bunch of weirdos feel entitled. It also gives opportunity for people to go to war with their own MPs, by claiming member backing is more important, as HYUFD and Rees-Mogg claim.
However they are not the cause of this Govts issues (although they don't help). Boris's opportunistic grasping of the Brexit debacle and subsequent behaviour is what has destroyed this Govt. They were plummeting the depths before he finally and rightly got removed and it has been downhill ever since as a consequence.
Will new Chancellor Jeremy Hunt prioritise increasing aid spending from 0.5pc to 0.7pc - or cutting taxes?
https://twitter.com/LaylaMoran/status/1580940133527736320
Wonder if he lasts long enough to have any influence whatsoever if he'll work to re-instate some of the cuts to NPR and HS2 ?
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1580945609447460864
https://twitter.com/_iPed/status/1580888729807646720
Con: 28% (+4 from 6-7 Oct)
Lab: 49% (-2)
Lib Dem 10% (0)
Green 5%(0)
Reform UK:4%(-2)
SNP 3% (0)
https://twitter.com/Omnisis/status/1580911185620189185
Definitely @elonmusk is among the world's top private donors supporting Ukraine.
Starlink is an essential element of our critical infrastructure.
https://twitter.com/FedorovMykhailo/status/1580934203385860097
Stay out of the EU 35%
Rejoin the EU 51%
Would not vote 7%
Don’t know 7%
Excl WNV/DK: If tomorrow there were another referendum on EU membership, how do you think you would vote?
Stay out of the EU 40%
Rejoin the EU 60%
Nonetheless I concur with your notion that "the real pressure on the UK from the markets has not even begun yet".
https://twitter.com/Ed_Miliband/status/1580931307185401856
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/liz-truss-clueless-kwarteng-sacked-uturn-b2202973.html https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1580947176595017728/photo/1