This is the biggest CON meltdown of all time! Goes well beyond Black Wednesday 1992.
Don't forget May's Conservatives were dead in the water. Six months later Johnson won an eighty seat landslide. The Conservative Party is like a cockroach, it will survive nuclear Armageddon, and thrive.
Can't remember who said it, but grand election victories are about change.
BoZo won big by promising change from Parliamentary stalemate.
All Starmer has to do is offer change from this shitshow.
What all Tory MPs know: Liz Truss now has the Ed Miliband problem. As he knifed his brother for the Labour leadership, she has hatcheted her best mate to try to retain power.
Come on @Heathener you say you have the post. In front of you. So just cut and paste. Takes seconds. And link, please.
Surprised to see you so animated about being accused of saying something a bit silly.
I’m travelling around the world for free. Again. Always makes me feisty
But, really, PB-era can’t go around accusing others of lying and saying “I have the proof right here” and then not actually provide the proof
We have PB standards and it has always been up to me, in the end, to uphold them
@heathener says she has the exact quote I made, unironically calling liz truss the “Tory saviour, a diamond in the rough” and much else. So all she has to is paste it and link it
Why does she have to? Fuck all will happen if she doesn't.
No, it's the only way to shut him up. Could have taken up the best part of the next half dozen threads otherwise.
Leon is Heathener ffs. The whole thing is just him having a bizarre onanistic chat with himself. It's obviously a boring flight.
Are you not Leon as well?
Perhaps we are all Leon? Every post is really from one of his alter egos!
The big issue (for UK politics) are the millions of people on mortgages taken out when interest rates were ludicrously low. If they increase too rapidly the economic and political results will be catastrophic. It is like a UXB or a rolling set of bombs detonating as people re-mortgage. Gradual interest rate rises during a period of inflation that does not cut living standards too much and doesn't get out of control is the only way of avoiding mayhem.
What all Tory MPs know: Liz Truss now has the Ed Miliband problem. As he knifed his brother for the Labour leadership, she has hatcheted her best mate to try to retain power.
This is the biggest CON meltdown of all time! Goes well beyond Black Wednesday 1992.
Don't forget May's Conservatives were dead in the water. Six months later Johnson won an eighty seat landslide. The Conservative Party is like a cockroach, it will survive nuclear Armageddon, and thrive.
Being like a cockroach isn't of itself any guarantee of survival.
You have to hand it to the ERG, they backed a Remainer, Truss over a Leaver, Sunak and ignored those who wanted to back Leaver Badenoch.
They now have a Remainer as PM and Remainer Hunt as Chancellor, Boris' opponent from 2019 of course and a staunch May loyalist.
One can't help but laugh at Mark Francois who is responsible for this!
There is only one person responsible and that is your toxic hero Johnson
No. Boris won the Tories this majority and ERG backers like Baker turning on him and Francois then ordering the ERG to back Truss has meant they have now seen a Leaver PM and Leaver Chancellor in Boris and Sunak replaced by Remainer Truss as PM and Remainer Hunt as Chancellor.
This now looks more like it could be more like the old May government than the Boris government
Boris toxic and irresponsible behaviour led us to today
And by the way you voted remain
No, the likes of you forcing him out over partygate led to today and a bigger Starmer lead than ever there was under Boris.
Yes I did vote Remain and will remain loyal to this government (as I was to the May government) and Hunt is a serious figure for the Treasury and a proper Tory but I also respected the Leave vote and it was only Boris who delivered Brexit
I didn’t force him out
Boris behaviour became so toxic he was unacceptable to the vast majority of ordinary people
HYUFD is like a babysitting agency which sends you a heroin-addicted thief whom you reject, so they send you a convicted paedophile instead. When you complain about the paedophile they say Well, you should've stuck with the thief.
Colourful but correct.
Boris remains unsuitable, and in a personal level not policy which is most remarkable. You have to be really sleazy for MPs to not look the other way.
I think Hunt has some of the same weaknesses as Truss, despite being a more polished performer: opportunistic, intellectually shallow, and overly prone to ideological fads and telling people what he thinks they want to hear.
He's the expedient choice. I wouldn't actually let him get up to much - hopefully that's a lesson that's been learned with Kwasi.
I’d say opinion of MPs right now is significantly harsher than after Boris Johnson appeared to have misled folk about Chris Pincher. Overwhelming mood is that Liz Truss will be gone soon. https://twitter.com/AnushkaAsthana/status/1580923152921608193
Come on @Heathener you say you have the post. In front of you. So just cut and paste. Takes seconds. And link, please.
Surprised to see you so animated about being accused of saying something a bit silly.
I’m travelling around the world for free. Again. Always makes me feisty:
But, really, PB-era can’t go around accusing others of lying and saying “I have the proof right here” and then not actually provide the proof:
We have PB standards and it has always been up to me, in the end, to uphold them:
@heathener says she has the exact quote I made, unironically calling liz truss the “Tory saviour, a diamond in the rough” and much else. So all she has to is paste it and link it:
I see she has. Dear oh dear. How embarrassing.
Still you have a way to go to match my "she looks fit and well to me, I think she has years yet" contribution about the Queen on the day before she died.
In the last few months we've also had: Ukrainian professors have spotted aliens. It's the real deal.
Turns out it was total bollocks, as I said so at the time.
Long time no see! How are Dipsy and Laa-Laa? Your diction has improved no end by the way!
Hardly surprising - who could type with those hands ?
🚨MARKET REACTION🚨 This line is heading the WRONG way, as far as Liz Truss is concerned. She will have hoped that these long term interest rates wld FALL following her speech. Instead they’re on the way UP.
As a public servant Mark Carney declines to offer a 'value judgement' on Brexit. He's happy to give a neutral valuation though: “Put it this way, in 2016 the British economy was 90 per cent the size of Germany’s. Now it is less than 70 per cent." Boom.
What all Tory MPs know: Liz Truss now has the Ed Miliband problem. As he knifed his brother for the Labour leadership, she has hatcheted her best mate to try to retain power. That's the one thing voters always remembered about Ed, and Truss won't ever shake it off either. https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1580921838309294081
I think there are many reasons to reject her before you reach that one.
“An embarrassingly robotic performance. I'm not sure the parliamentary party or markets will be reassured or convinced by her single automaton answer to legitimate journalistic questions" https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1580923231997157377
What all Tory MPs know: Liz Truss now has the Ed Miliband problem. As he knifed his brother for the Labour leadership, she has hatcheted her best mate to try to retain power. That's the one thing voters always remembered about Ed, and Truss won't ever shake it off either. https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1580921838309294081
I think that's a big misreading of the situation. She trusted him to be COE despite not great experience and being very dodgy on policy, because of their bond, or because he knew where the bodies were buried. In return, he shat the bed. He's been a lot more costly to her than she has to him.
Come on @Heathener you say you have the post. In front of you. So just cut and paste. Takes seconds. And link, please.
Surprised to see you so animated about being accused of saying something a bit silly.
I’m travelling around the world for free. Again. Always makes me feisty
But, really, PB-era can’t go around accusing others of lying and saying “I have the proof right here” and then not actually provide the proof
We have PB standards and it has always been up to me, in the end, to uphold them
@heathener says she has the exact quote I made, unironically calling liz truss the “Tory saviour, a diamond in the rough” and much else. So all she has to is paste it and link it
Why does she have to? Fuck all will happen if she doesn't.
No, it's the only way to shut him up. Could have taken up the best part of the next half dozen threads otherwise.
Leon is Heathener ffs. The whole thing is just him having a bizarre onanistic chat with himself. It's obviously a boring flight.
Are you not Leon as well?
Perhaps we are all Leon? Every post is really from one of his alter egos!
Nah, I'm Eadric not Leon.
No, you are actually an AI created by Leon. We all are.
🚨MARKET REACTION🚨 This line is heading the WRONG way, as far as Liz Truss is concerned. She will have hoped that these long term interest rates wld FALL following her speech. Instead they’re on the way UP.
What all Tory MPs know: Liz Truss now has the Ed Miliband problem. As he knifed his brother for the Labour leadership, she has hatcheted her best mate to try to retain power. That's the one thing voters always remembered about Ed, and Truss won't ever shake it off either. https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1580921838309294081
Which is a shame for him as I still say he didnt knife anybody.
As a public servant Mark Carney declines to offer a 'value judgement' on Brexit. He's happy to give a neutral valuation though: “Put it this way, in 2016 the British economy was 90 per cent the size of Germany’s. Now it is less than 70 per cent." Boom.
I think Hunt has some of the same weaknesses as Truss, despite being a more polished performer: opportunistic, intellectually shallow, and overly prone to ideological fads and telling people what he thinks they want to hear.
A bit of polish would go a long way at the moment.
As a public servant Mark Carney declines to offer a 'value judgement' on Brexit. He's happy to give a neutral valuation though: “Put it this way, in 2016 the British economy was 90 per cent the size of Germany’s. Now it is less than 70 per cent." Boom.
"She is the real deal." "She has the empathy" "[She has the] cleverness to win the next election for the Tories." "Somehow, not by merit, purely by luck, the Tories have unearthed a star." "She espouses rightwing beliefs with humanity and humour." "Articulate woman." "Fascinating."
It's fine. We all make mistakes from time to time. The fool fails to admit it.
QED
lol. OK fair enough I said that. You somewhat exaggerated my remarks - but it doesn’t look like I was joking either
I shall eat humble pie and grits for breakfast
Who wants to own up to liking the pictured post? And who wants to go back and unlike asap?
Can't be bothered to go and find it, but I'd guess maybe LG and our piratical friend on current form, struggling for the third to be honest. Liz Truss fans please [come forward and] explain?
I don't recall the post, but I'd happily like it now. I find it funny how everyone's predictions about winning the next election are being held up to ridicule; unless I miss my guess, we haven't had the election.
I'm not ridiculing. I've got bets (from ages ago) on Con most seats and Con majority I did however predict Truss would be shit, although I thought (and may have said) that she may well get a short poll boost before reality hit home.
(I really need Truss gone before the GE. Luckily they're only small bets)
Remember the glory days when you and I were playing Starmer Next PM like a violin? Imagine if somebody had said back then that he'd be the Next PM bar TWO but still be PM in 2024. God we'd have larfed and pointed.
And on the betting front let me again say how much I hope my old pal @isam returns, me sat here holding my 3/1 docket with him that Starmzy is PM post the GE.
Come on @Heathener you say you have the post. In front of you. So just cut and paste. Takes seconds. And link, please.
Surprised to see you so animated about being accused of saying something a bit silly.
I’m travelling around the world for free. Again. Always makes me feisty
But, really, PB-era can’t go around accusing others of lying and saying “I have the proof right here” and then not actually provide the proof
We have PB standards and it has always been up to me, in the end, to uphold them
@heathener says she has the exact quote I made, unironically calling liz truss the “Tory saviour, a diamond in the rough” and much else. So all she has to is paste it and link it
Why does she have to? Fuck all will happen if she doesn't.
No, it's the only way to shut him up. Could have taken up the best part of the next half dozen threads otherwise.
Leon is Heathener ffs. The whole thing is just him having a bizarre onanistic chat with himself. It's obviously a boring flight.
Are you not Leon as well?
Perhaps we are all Leon? Every post is really from one of his alter egos!
Nah, I'm Eadric not Leon.
No, you are actually an AI created by Leon. We all are.
There are a few on here who are definitely not an I, artificial or real.
Come on @Heathener you say you have the post. In front of you. So just cut and paste. Takes seconds. And link, please.
Surprised to see you so animated about being accused of saying something a bit silly.
I’m travelling around the world for free. Again. Always makes me feisty
But, really, PB-era can’t go around accusing others of lying and saying “I have the proof right here” and then not actually provide the proof
We have PB standards and it has always been up to me, in the end, to uphold them
@heathener says she has the exact quote I made, unironically calling liz truss the “Tory saviour, a diamond in the rough” and much else. So all she has to is paste it and link it
Why does she have to? Fuck all will happen if she doesn't.
No, it's the only way to shut him up. Could have taken up the best part of the next half dozen threads otherwise.
Leon is Heathener ffs. The whole thing is just him having a bizarre onanistic chat with himself. It's obviously a boring flight.
Are you not Leon as well?
Perhaps we are all Leon? Every post is really from one of his alter egos!
Nah, I'm Eadric not Leon.
No, you are actually an AI created by Leon. We all are.
There are a few on here who are definitely not an I, artificial or real.
My father (a professional philosopher) always wondered if it was possible to create Artificial Stupidity.
This is the biggest CON meltdown of all time! Goes well beyond Black Wednesday 1992.
Black Wednesday was the banks and traders taking on the government over one specific thing (the ERM). That was not a problem of the party in government being in complete meltdown, like it is now.
The penny has finally dropped that they need to get the sensible remainers back in to sort out the mess. I am relieved, was dreading it being Redwood or Rees-Mogg. Truss is back-tracking so fast you can see the sparks flying.
This has absolutely nothing to do with Brexit.
Don't be a dick.
No need to resort to personal abuse because someone sees things differently.
I clearly see a correlation between John Major's "bastards" taking over the Tory party/membership and the shambles in which we now find ourselves in.
You cannot separate Brexit from the politicians that led the campaigns to get us out. I have been convinced from the outset that this is how it would end up. I can barely think of a competent Brexiteer, Gove possibly.
Take a good hard look at the calibre of what we've has since the "Get Brexit Done" election - Johnson, Patel, Braverman, Rees-Mogg, Kwatang, Dorries, Raab the list goes on and on. Practically every one has proved to be a disaster in office. At least we can be thankful that Farage and Banks weren't eligible for high office.
On the other side of the coin lots of competent Tory politicians headed for the exits.
It is no surprise whatsoever that Truss has panicked and gone for one of the few sane senior Tories left to try and save her skin.. It was widely believed that Hunt had no chance in the leadership election because of his Remainer views and yet here we are a few short weeks later and he's promoted to the CoE and favourite to be next leader.
If Brexit is being discredited (as I believe it is) then it is the Brexiteers themselves that are trashing it. 5 years from now we will be back in the single market at the very least.
She'll be in Downing Street with a big grin saying to everybody who will listen
"That went REALLY well didn't it...."
JUST TYPE THE FUCKING RESIGNATION LETTER, LIZ.....
I think it would be terribly unfair on the Dead Ringers team if she resigns before they get a chance to satirise her leadership. They've already missed out on a chance to make something of Kwarteng, and he had such a distinctive accent that would surely have been perfect for them.
I think Hunt has some of the same weaknesses as Truss, despite being a more polished performer: opportunistic, intellectually shallow, and overly prone to ideological fads and telling people what he thinks they want to hear.
A bit of polish would go a long way at the moment.
Come on @Heathener you say you have the post. In front of you. So just cut and paste. Takes seconds. And link, please.
Surprised to see you so animated about being accused of saying something a bit silly.
I’m travelling around the world for free. Again. Always makes me feisty
But, really, PB-era can’t go around accusing others of lying and saying “I have the proof right here” and then not actually provide the proof
We have PB standards and it has always been up to me, in the end, to uphold them
@heathener says she has the exact quote I made, unironically calling liz truss the “Tory saviour, a diamond in the rough” and much else. So all she has to is paste it and link it
Why does she have to? Fuck all will happen if she doesn't.
No, it's the only way to shut him up. Could have taken up the best part of the next half dozen threads otherwise.
Leon is Heathener ffs. The whole thing is just him having a bizarre onanistic chat with himself. It's obviously a boring flight.
Are you not Leon as well?
Perhaps we are all Leon? Every post is really from one of his alter egos!
Nah, I'm Eadric not Leon.
No, you are actually an AI created by Leon. We all are.
There are a few on here who are definitely not an I, artificial or real.
My father (a professional philosopher) always wondered if it was possible to create Artificial Stupidity.
“An embarrassingly robotic performance. I'm not sure the parliamentary party or markets will be reassured or convinced by her single automaton answer to legitimate journalistic questions" https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1580923231997157377
Why hasn't Starmer announced he'll lay down a Parliamentary VoNC on Monday? Just get it over with for christ sake. The Conservative MPs who vote with him won't lose the whip, because then there would be no one left to whip.
Come on @Heathener you say you have the post. In front of you. So just cut and paste. Takes seconds. And link, please.
Surprised to see you so animated about being accused of saying something a bit silly.
I’m travelling around the world for free. Again. Always makes me feisty:
But, really, PB-era can’t go around accusing others of lying and saying “I have the proof right here” and then not actually provide the proof:
We have PB standards and it has always been up to me, in the end, to uphold them:
@heathener says she has the exact quote I made, unironically calling liz truss the “Tory saviour, a diamond in the rough” and much else. So all she has to is paste it and link it:
I see she has. Dear oh dear. How embarrassing.
Still you have a way to go to match my "she looks fit and well to me, I think she has years yet" contribution about the Queen on the day before she died.
In the last few months we've also had: Ukrainian professors have spotted aliens. It's the real deal.
Turns out it was total bollocks, as I said so at the time.
Don't recall that one. I'm assiduous to a fault but even I skim and filter on here sometimes. You have to.
As a public servant Mark Carney declines to offer a 'value judgement' on Brexit. He's happy to give a neutral valuation though: “Put it this way, in 2016 the British economy was 90 per cent the size of Germany’s. Now it is less than 70 per cent." Boom.
🚨MARKET REACTION🚨 This line is heading the WRONG way, as far as Liz Truss is concerned. She will have hoped that these long term interest rates wld FALL following her speech. Instead they’re on the way UP.
I just think it's a tragedy that the Tory party can't just be transformed into a reality TV show, provided the people concerned are kept well away from anything that could affect real life.
Think how entertaining it could be - a Dorries premiership, a Rees Mogg premiership, a Fabricant premiership - say one a week for 13 weeks or something. Provided it was a bit of fun.
The yield on 30-year bonds now indicates markets are more worried, not less, since Liz Truss sacked Kwasi Kwarteng, u-turned on £17bn a year of corporation tax and replaced him with Jeremy Hunt. One can only speculate why. It may be to do with her performance in the presser: https://twitter.com/andyverity/status/1580925884915388416/photo/1
What all Tory MPs know: Liz Truss now has the Ed Miliband problem. As he knifed his brother for the Labour leadership, she has hatcheted her best mate to try to retain power. That's the one thing voters always remembered about Ed, and Truss won't ever shake it off either. https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1580921838309294081
Which is a shame for him as I still say he didnt knife anybody.
I had my misgivings about Ed, but it did gall how the Tories were able to paint him on the one hand as weak and spineless and on the other as a vile traitor who axed his brother.
While David might have made the better leader (and I'm not so sure he would have), he had no claim to leadership by right of birth order.
I think Hunt has some of the same weaknesses as Truss, despite being a more polished performer: opportunistic, intellectually shallow, and overly prone to ideological fads and telling people what he thinks they want to hear.
A bit of polish would go a long way at the moment.
The few PBers still supporting this government are doing a lot of polishing.
She'll be in Downing Street with a big grin saying to everybody who will listen
"That went REALLY well didn't it...."
JUST TYPE THE FUCKING RESIGNATION LETTER, LIZ.....
I think it would be terribly unfair on the Dead Ringers team if she resigns before they get a chance to satirise her leadership. They've already missed out on a chance to make something of Kwarteng, and he had such a distinctive accent that would surely have been perfect for them.
I heard Dead Ringers do her.
It was the death knell of anybody wanting to be treated as a serious politician. Brutal.
Come on @Heathener you say you have the post. In front of you. So just cut and paste. Takes seconds. And link, please.
Surprised to see you so animated about being accused of saying something a bit silly.
I’m travelling around the world for free. Again. Always makes me feisty
But, really, PB-era can’t go around accusing others of lying and saying “I have the proof right here” and then not actually provide the proof
We have PB standards and it has always been up to me, in the end, to uphold them
@heathener says she has the exact quote I made, unironically calling liz truss the “Tory saviour, a diamond in the rough” and much else. So all she has to is paste it and link it
Why does she have to? Fuck all will happen if she doesn't.
No, it's the only way to shut him up. Could have taken up the best part of the next half dozen threads otherwise.
Leon is Heathener ffs. The whole thing is just him having a bizarre onanistic chat with himself. It's obviously a boring flight.
Are you not Leon as well?
Perhaps we are all Leon? Every post is really from one of his alter egos!
Nah, I'm Eadric not Leon.
No, you are actually an AI created by Leon. We all are.
There are a few on here who are definitely not an I, artificial or real.
My father (a professional philosopher) always wondered if it was possible to create Artificial Stupidity.
As far as "stupidity" is concerned, there is an abundance of natural talent, particularly in No.10 at the moment
I think Hunt has some of the same weaknesses as Truss, despite being a more polished performer: opportunistic, intellectually shallow, and overly prone to ideological fads and telling people what he thinks they want to hear.
He's the expedient choice. I wouldn't actually let him get up to much - hopefully that's a lesson that's been learned with Kwasi.
On many issues Hunt has always been very much on the left of the party. As he seems very much the cuckoo in this particular cabinet nest, it doesn’t for one moment suggest agreements and stability.
What all Tory MPs know: Liz Truss now has the Ed Miliband problem. As he knifed his brother for the Labour leadership, she has hatcheted her best mate to try to retain power. That's the one thing voters always remembered about Ed, and Truss won't ever shake it off either. https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1580921838309294081
Which is a shame for him as I still say he didnt knife anybody.
I don't think it's really true either. It was certainly far less prominent than the idea of a hung parliament giving Sturgeon a veto.
Come on @Heathener you say you have the post. In front of you. So just cut and paste. Takes seconds. And link, please.
Surprised to see you so animated about being accused of saying something a bit silly.
I’m travelling around the world for free. Again. Always makes me feisty
But, really, PB-era can’t go around accusing others of lying and saying “I have the proof right here” and then not actually provide the proof
We have PB standards and it has always been up to me, in the end, to uphold them
@heathener says she has the exact quote I made, unironically calling liz truss the “Tory saviour, a diamond in the rough” and much else. So all she has to is paste it and link it
Why does she have to? Fuck all will happen if she doesn't.
No, it's the only way to shut him up. Could have taken up the best part of the next half dozen threads otherwise.
Leon is Heathener ffs. The whole thing is just him having a bizarre onanistic chat with himself. It's obviously a boring flight.
It's a semi-plausible theory. But I'm unconvinced, as he can't usually maintain a different character for more than a day without being obvious.
The Heathener construct is Mystic Rose and there's a 0% chance of it being Leon imo. But he'd like it to be thought so - because it takes considerable skill to pull off an alter ego for any period of time and it's not the same skill as being (which he is) a vivid and charismatic writer.
Of course in and amongst the rubble from the press conference, Liz did manage to sneak out that spending wouldn’t rise as quickly as previously stated. So there will be below-inflation rises. Or cuts, essentially.
“An embarrassingly robotic performance. I'm not sure the parliamentary party or markets will be reassured or convinced by her single automaton answer to legitimate journalistic questions" https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1580923231997157377
I think Hunt has some of the same weaknesses as Truss, despite being a more polished performer: opportunistic, intellectually shallow, and overly prone to ideological fads and telling people what he thinks they want to hear.
A bit of polish would go a long way at the moment.
How about
Polish indeed.
Jeszcze Polska nie zginęła, Kiedy my żyjemy. Co nam obca przemoc wzięła, Szablą odbierzemy.
Why hasn't Starmer announced he'll lay down a Parliamentary VoNC on Monday? Just get it over with for christ sake. The Conservative MPs who vote with him won't lose the whip, because then there would be no one left to whip.
I think Hunt has some of the same weaknesses as Truss, despite being a more polished performer: opportunistic, intellectually shallow, and overly prone to ideological fads and telling people what he thinks they want to hear.
He's the expedient choice. I wouldn't actually let him get up to much - hopefully that's a lesson that's been learned with Kwasi.
On many issues Hunt has always been very much on the left of the party. As he seems very much the cuckoo in this particular cabinet nest, it doesn’t for one moment suggest agreements and stability.
Is this really happening?
Look, Labour have stumped for a boring middle aged white guy, the Tories were fools not to do the same!
I think Hunt has some of the same weaknesses as Truss, despite being a more polished performer: opportunistic, intellectually shallow, and overly prone to ideological fads and telling people what he thinks they want to hear.
A bit of polish would go a long way at the moment.
How about
That’s a tache the legend that is Graham Gooch would have been proud of.
The yield on 30-year bonds now indicates markets are more worried, not less, since Liz Truss sacked Kwasi Kwarteng, u-turned on £17bn a year of corporation tax and replaced him with Jeremy Hunt. One can only speculate why. It may be to do with her performance in the presser: https://twitter.com/andyverity/status/1580925884915388416/photo/1
The ironic thing really, all this fuss, all this gesture politics is over not very much “market turbulence” or problems at all compared to all the pressure and drama to come in the weeks and months ahead.
At least Boris could organise a piss up and didnt even need the brewery.
For me this removes any last vestige of missing him. The one and only plus was he could be "entertaining" - well I'm sorry but this from Truss is entertainment par excellence. There'll be a blockbuster movie and maybe some oscars if they cast it well. Johnson was a great big tedious yawn of a bore by comparison.
Who would play Truss ?
Carrie era Sissy Spacek for me.
That's not a bad call; she could do the mix of determination, awkwardness and vulnerability.
And wreaking havoc! ... albeit not of the intentional righteous variety.
Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico · 49m I don't blame Truss. This isn't her fault. But her entire economic agenda, including her specific flagship policy, has been destroyed. She can't carry on with any honour. She is now nothing more than a spokesperson for policies & a policy agenda over which she has no control.
Why hasn't Starmer announced he'll lay down a Parliamentary VoNC on Monday? Just get it over with for christ sake. The Conservative MPs who vote with him won't lose the whip, because then there would be no one left to whip.
VONC in her, not her government?
Vote to deduct £100 from her salary as PM to help pay for Growth
Why hasn't Starmer announced he'll lay down a Parliamentary VoNC on Monday? Just get it over with for christ sake. The Conservative MPs who vote with him won't lose the whip, because then there would be no one left to whip.
Best guess, he thinks he benefits more by leaving the Tories in office, rather than having a general election when he'll need to come up with some policies.
Why hasn't Starmer announced he'll lay down a Parliamentary VoNC on Monday? Just get it over with for christ sake. The Conservative MPs who vote with him won't lose the whip, because then there would be no one left to whip.
Best guess, he thinks he benefits more by leaving the Tories in office, rather than having a general election when he'll need to come up with some policies.
Don't interrupt the enemy when they are making a mistake?
You have to hand it to the ERG, they backed a Remainer, Truss over a Leaver, Sunak and ignored those who wanted to back Leaver Badenoch.
They now have a Remainer as PM and Remainer Hunt as Chancellor, Boris' opponent from 2019 of course and a staunch May loyalist.
One can't help but laugh at Mark Francois who is responsible for this!
There is only one person responsible and that is your toxic hero Johnson
No. Boris won the Tories this majority and ERG backers like Baker turning on him and Francois then ordering the ERG to back Truss has meant they have now seen a Leaver PM and Leaver Chancellor in Boris and Sunak replaced by Remainer Truss as PM and Remainer Hunt as Chancellor.
This now looks more like it could be more like the old May government than the Boris government
Boris toxic and irresponsible behaviour led us to today
And by the way you voted remain
No, the likes of you forcing him out over partygate led to today and a bigger Starmer lead than ever there was under Boris.
Yes I did vote Remain and will remain loyal to this government (as I was to the May government) and Hunt is a serious figure for the Treasury and a proper Tory but I also respected the Leave vote and it was only Boris who delivered Brexit
I didn’t force him out
Boris behaviour became so toxic he was unacceptable to the vast majority of ordinary people
HYUFD is like a babysitting agency which sends you a heroin-addicted thief whom you reject, so they send you a convicted paedophile instead. When you complain about the paedophile they say Well, you should've stuck with the thief.
Colourful but correct.
Boris remains unsuitable, and in a personal level not policy which is most remarkable. You have to be really sleazy for MPs to not look the other way.
This all starts with Boris. He is the one that has triggered the destruction of this Government with his dishonesty, corruption, damage to the constitution and gutting of many of the sensible Conservatives from the party.
One could argue it goes back to Cameron re the Referendum, but I think that is unfair. He probably had little choice and although Brexit was a near impossible task it could have been done much better and without all the subsequent Boris stuff that was not Brexit related.
As far as I am concerned this all lays at Boris's door. Truss is simply an inevitable corollary of it all.
I have time for Vicky Young, but even she was struggling to explain the Truss performance. Being PM isn't for everyone, and intellgence isn't essential but self-awareness is.
Boris had arrogance on his side, but I'm not sure what Liz has.
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BoZo won big by promising change from Parliamentary stalemate.
All Starmer has to do is offer change from this shitshow.
May lost control and was not up to it, yet was bizarrely assured at times. We didn't believe nothing had changed, but she did at least
Edit: LOL. I switched on and Sky were just showing the whole thing again. I thought it was live.
Boris remains unsuitable, and in a personal level not policy which is most remarkable. You have to be really sleazy for MPs to not look the other way.
How could it possibly be worse?
Jehovah! Jehovah! Jehovah!
https://twitter.com/AnushkaAsthana/status/1580923152921608193
Not Liz Truss, that's who.
https://alexmassie.substack.com/p/the-debatable-land-30-who-governs?utm_source=twitter&sd=pf
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Senior backbencher: "She's near the end now".
This line is heading the WRONG way, as far as Liz Truss is concerned.
She will have hoped that these long term interest rates wld FALL following her speech.
Instead they’re on the way UP.
Early days. Lots of other stuff going on.
But still: not encouraging. https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1580924019913605125/photo/1
Furious about Hunt.
Furious with the party generally.
Said she's leaving the party if Truss goes and the members don't get a vote.
I suspect she'll be leaving the party therefore........
Liz Truss makes Theresa May look like Abraham Lincoln in comparison.
https://www.ft.com/content/f1f0a66a-fa2c-4d70-9874-8003bdb3fb53
This is from an MP that supported truss…
“An embarrassingly robotic performance. I'm not sure the parliamentary party or markets will be reassured or convinced by her single automaton answer to legitimate journalistic questions"
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1580923231997157377
MPs saying they think press conference made things worse. A senior former minister: “she has to go”
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1580923113843236865
I did mention it, I think, but not sure if it counts as a tip backing Truss at 46 to be gone this year during the weekend after the not-a-budget.
And on the betting front let me again say how much I hope my old pal @isam returns, me sat here holding my 3/1 docket with him that Starmzy is PM post the GE.
I clearly see a correlation between John Major's "bastards" taking over the Tory party/membership and the shambles in which we now find ourselves in.
You cannot separate Brexit from the politicians that led the campaigns to get us out. I have been convinced from the outset that this is how it would end up. I can barely think of a competent Brexiteer, Gove possibly.
Take a good hard look at the calibre of what we've has since the "Get Brexit Done" election - Johnson, Patel, Braverman, Rees-Mogg, Kwatang, Dorries, Raab the list goes on and on. Practically every one has proved to be a disaster in office. At least we can be thankful that Farage and Banks weren't eligible for high office.
On the other side of the coin lots of competent Tory politicians headed for the exits.
It is no surprise whatsoever that Truss has panicked and gone for one of the few sane senior Tories left to try and save her skin.. It was widely believed that Hunt had no chance in the leadership election because of his Remainer views and yet here we are a few short weeks later and he's promoted to the CoE and favourite to be next leader.
If Brexit is being discredited (as I believe it is) then it is the Brexiteers themselves that are trashing it. 5 years from now we will be back in the single market at the very least.
Just get it over with for christ sake.
The Conservative MPs who vote with him won't lose the whip, because then there would be no one left to whip.
Think how entertaining it could be - a Dorries premiership, a Rees Mogg premiership, a Fabricant premiership - say one a week for 13 weeks or something. Provided it was a bit of fun.
While David might have made the better leader (and I'm not so sure he would have), he had no claim to leadership by right of birth order.
Leaked WhatsApp messages reveal a major row going on between Tory MPs
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1580926951602393088/photo/1
It was the death knell of anybody wanting to be treated as a serious politician. Brutal.
Her time will be so short she won't even get a book deal for her memoirs...
Is this really happening?
The thing is that Liz is that she never had any power or authority in the first place...
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Kiedy my żyjemy.
Co nam obca przemoc wzięła,
Szablą odbierzemy.
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I don't blame Truss. This isn't her fault. But her entire economic agenda, including her specific flagship policy, has been destroyed. She can't carry on with any honour. She is now nothing more than a spokesperson for policies & a policy agenda over which she has no control.
One could argue it goes back to Cameron re the Referendum, but I think that is unfair. He probably had little choice and although Brexit was a near impossible task it could have been done much better and without all the subsequent Boris stuff that was not Brexit related.
As far as I am concerned this all lays at Boris's door. Truss is simply an inevitable corollary of it all.
Boris had arrogance on his side, but I'm not sure what Liz has.