Ironic that, at the end of the Platinum Jubilee, the Conservatives might finish off the Queen's 16th Prime Minister.
Perfect end to the celebrations, as I said last night
This is definitely the highlight of the jubilee. It is The Biggie that everyone will remember. Just as the Sex Pistols hitting Number One was the clear highlight of the silver jubilee.
God save the Queen A fascist regime They made you a moron Potential H-bomb
God save the Queen She ain't no human being There is no future In England's dreaming
Don't be told about what you want Don't be told about what you need No future, no future, no future for you
God save the Queen We mean it, man We love our Queen God saves
God save the Queen Tourists are money But our figurehead Is not what she seems
God save history God save your mad parade Oh Lord, have mercy! All crimes are paid
When there's no future, how can there be sin? We're the flowers in the dustbin We're the poison in the human machine We're the future, we're the future
God save the Queen We mean it, man We love our Queen God saves
God save the Queen We mean it, man We love our Queen God saves
No future, no future No future, no future No future, no future No future, no future
No future, no future No future, no future No future for you
Songwriting and delivery at its very best. John Lydon is one of England’s national treasures.
The irony being that the Queen continued on and the Sex Pistols imploded.
I suppose Jim Callaghan's 'fascist regime' did lose power less than two years later.
You say imploded but they are back on the telly. Sex Pistols: banned by the BBC; dramatised by Netflix.
The way the song and their whole "thing" has been absorbed and become "establishment" - the only surprise is that they didn't play at the concert on the weekend.
Anyone remember the comedy of Weller trying to claim that only people who agreed with the politics could like "Eton Rifles"?
Strange that they appear to think a new leader would be unable to focus on the problems facing the country. Are they saying Boris will sabotage a new leader?
Johnson is arrogant enough to believe that if the problems are hard for him to solve they'll be impossible for anyone else.
The MPs turned to Boris only when things got very desperate and they felt he was the only option to recover position and win a GE. They were right.
It would be very on brand for them to then junk him unceremoniously once they felt he was no longer needed.
I dont expect it, but it has logic.
Boris did what he was put there to do.
But its done now. That's not a reason to keep him.
If a team fighting against relegation sacks the Manager and brings in a specialist Manager that knows how to win relegation scraps manages to avoid relegation, then that's job done - but if you then want to go on to do well in the League you might look to move on from that Manager and find a new one afterwards.
Tho I do wonder what will happen to the blind rage of the Remoaners, when and if Boris goes. Will it finally dissipate, or will they simply move on to the next target for their angst?
You would think seeing the PM removed by MPs writing letters would disabuse people of the idea that we have a fascist government, but I'm not hopeful.
Me neither. If Boris goes I reckon the Remoaners might feel a moment of triumph, then a weird bit of depression. Post coitum omne animal tiriste est
Then they will resume normal service, attacking some other figure or institution. Because theirs is a pathology, not a passion
Have you read Jesse Norman's excoriating letter? No mention of Brexit (other than law-breaking on the NI protocol). Just an attack on Boris's useless government, where serious issues are responded to with crap policies like Rwanda, banning noisy protests, privatising Channel 4, a nuclear power station in every town, and so on. He basically says the government has neither mission nor vision, just empty rhetoric.
Yes, I read it, and - as I said below - it is powerful. Unfortunately he nails this government all-too-accurately. Directionless and constantly in campaign mode. Enough
Fraser Nelson on R4 sounds pretty confident that Johnson will win and says the vote has come too early for those who wish to depose him.
It's amazing how holding a ministerial job makes MPs unable to think a couple of steps ahead. The swing in Tiverton I reckon will be bigger than Christchurch. How many voting for Boris today will suddenly go "Oh" when that happens.
Tho I do wonder what will happen to the blind rage of the Remoaners, when and if Boris goes. Will it finally dissipate, or will they simply move on to the next target for their angst?
You would think seeing the PM removed by MPs writing letters would disabuse people of the idea that we have a fascist government, but I'm not hopeful.
Me neither. If Boris goes I reckon the Remoaners might feel a moment of triumph, then a weird bit of depression. Post coitum omne animal tiriste est
Then they will resume normal service, attacking some other figure or institution. Because theirs is a pathology, not a passion
You’re the one that can’t move on from Brexit given your continual droning on about Remoaners ! There is no moment of triumph for Remainers given the UK is out and won’t be going back anytime soon.
There are genuinely lots of people who think Boris is the only thing holding Brexit up and that if he goes, we'll swiftly start rejoining.
Tho I do wonder what will happen to the blind rage of the Remoaners, when and if Boris goes. Will it finally dissipate, or will they simply move on to the next target for their angst?
You would think seeing the PM removed by MPs writing letters would disabuse people of the idea that we have a fascist government, but I'm not hopeful.
Me neither. If Boris goes I reckon the Remoaners might feel a moment of triumph, then a weird bit of depression. Post coitum omne animal tiriste est
Then they will resume normal service, attacking some other figure or institution. Because theirs is a pathology, not a passion
You’re the one that can’t move on from Brexit given your continual droning on about Remoaners ! There is no moment of triumph for Remainers given the UK is out and won’t be going back anytime soon.
There are genuinely lots of people who think Boris is the only thing holding Brexit up and that if he goes, we'll swiftly start rejoining.
The MPs turned to Boris only when things got very desperate and they felt he was the only option to recover position and win a GE. They were right.
It would be very on brand for them to then junk him unceremoniously once they felt he was no longer needed.
I dont expect it, but it has logic.
Boris did what he was put there to do.
But its done now. That's not a reason to keep him.
If a team fighting against relegation sacks the Manager and brings in a specialist Manager that knows how to win relegation scraps manages to avoid relegation, then that's job done - but if you then want to go on to do well in the League you might look to move on from that Manager and find a new one afterwards.
R4 - contrasting views between Fraser Nelson “rebels have moved too soon” and Sebastian Payne “unless it’s a big win Johnson is not out of danger as 1922 can change rules”. If there is contest, coronation may be preferred.
I don't see how a coronation is possible. After IDS a coronation was possible because Howard was the "old cardinal" who could be the Leader of the Opposition who'd take the forthcoming election defeat allowing the "young cardinals" to step forwards and have their own time afterwards.
Whoever replaces Boris is Prime Minister. No way will every contender step aside from that.
And regardless of anything else they are likely to be the last Tory Prime Minister for a while. While it's unlikely that Labour will win an outright majority at the next election (the SNP has seen to that) the Tory party is very likely to lose some seats in 2024 and in most likelihoods enough seats to lose their majority.
It's just amazing how little the Tories learned from Labour's Corbyn years. The idea that the electorate will shrug its shoulders and forget that it detests Johnson because he has won a leadership vote of confidence is for the fairies.
Corbyn VONC was 2016
In GE2017 Labour under Corbyn achieved the biggest increase in its vote share since WW2.
You as usual are mixing up your wish with the reality of what the electorate actually did.
Corbyn lost and then went on to lose again.
Gained seats and votes in 2017
SO says so
Reality the electorate detested him so much an extra 4 million voted for his party than at the previous GE
It's just amazing how little the Tories learned from Labour's Corbyn years. The idea that the electorate will shrug its shoulders and forget that it detests Johnson because he has won a leadership vote of confidence is for the fairies.
Corbyn VONC was 2016
In GE2017 Labour under Corbyn achieved the biggest increase in its vote share since WW2.
You as usual are mixing up your wish with the reality of what the electorate actually did.
Corbyn lost and then went on to lose again.
Gained seats and votes in 2017
SO says so
Reality the electorate detested him so much an extra 4 million voted for his party than at the previous GE
Well he's not coming back should Starmer fall, and neither is your Blairite King of the North.
Ironic that, at the end of the Platinum Jubilee, the Conservatives might finish off the Queen's 16th Prime Minister.
Perfect end to the celebrations, as I said last night
This is definitely the highlight of the jubilee. It is The Biggie that everyone will remember. Just as the Sex Pistols hitting Number One was the clear highlight of the silver jubilee.
God save the Queen A fascist regime They made you a moron Potential H-bomb
God save the Queen She ain't no human being There is no future In England's dreaming
Don't be told about what you want Don't be told about what you need No future, no future, no future for you
God save the Queen We mean it, man We love our Queen God saves
God save the Queen Tourists are money But our figurehead Is not what she seems
God save history God save your mad parade Oh Lord, have mercy! All crimes are paid
When there's no future, how can there be sin? We're the flowers in the dustbin We're the poison in the human machine We're the future, we're the future
God save the Queen We mean it, man We love our Queen God saves
God save the Queen We mean it, man We love our Queen God saves
No future, no future No future, no future No future, no future No future, no future
No future, no future No future, no future No future for you
Songwriting and delivery at its very best. John Lydon is one of England’s national treasures.
The irony being that the Queen continued on and the Sex Pistols imploded.
I suppose Jim Callaghan's 'fascist regime' did lose power less than two years later.
You say imploded but they are back on the telly. Sex Pistols: banned by the BBC; dramatised by Netflix.
To be watched by the middle aged middle class.
The Sex Pistols are now part of the establishment.
Ageing happens to us all eventually.
Before punk the counterculture of the 60s underwent the same process. People who were young then grew up to be the establishment of the future.
The Beatles, Dylan, Doors, Hendrix etc have long been listened to more by establishment figures than revolutionary ones I expect.
After punk, hip hop has become increasingly establishment too.
Fraser Nelson on R4 sounds pretty confident that Johnson will win and says the vote has come too early for those who wish to depose him.
I heard Fraser Nelson on the radio maybe last week, maybe before. Was asked if the PM would win the vote? He sounded as if he genuinely was shocked anyone could even ask the question. Confidence is great. Complacency isn't.
Fraser Nelson on R4 sounds pretty confident that Johnson will win and says the vote has come too early for those who wish to depose him.
It's amazing how holding a ministerial job makes MPs unable to think a couple of steps ahead. The swing in Tiverton I reckon will be bigger than Christchurch. How many voting for Boris today will suddenly go "Oh" when that happens.
I doubt it, even the Shropshire North swing wasn't as big as Christchurch in 1993.
Though of course the Tories lost Christchurch in that by election having ousted PM Thatcher as leader only 3 years before
“Liz Truss has the gravitas and temperament to navigate the Ukraine situation “
Words nobody said ever.
Johnsons been fine on Ukraine, as I say let him continue to be a representative on it.
Good point. The Ukes love BJ and it would have the benefit of his defenestration not being seen as a total rejection of his Govt's record, which it shoudn't be as it is quite defensible. Would also help to suppress some of the bitterness of the fall-out. However not sure Boris would go for it. Would depend on who the successor is.
If Boris loses he will leave politics shortly afterwards
He’s had the biggest job, and done some remarkable things (whether you like him or not). He’s still young enough to make major money as writer/speaker/pundit and he will want to start doing that ASAP
Tho I do wonder what will happen to the blind rage of the Remoaners, when and if Boris goes. Will it finally dissipate, or will they simply move on to the next target for their angst?
You would think seeing the PM removed by MPs writing letters would disabuse people of the idea that we have a fascist government, but I'm not hopeful.
Me neither. If Boris goes I reckon the Remoaners might feel a moment of triumph, then a weird bit of depression. Post coitum omne animal tiriste est
Then they will resume normal service, attacking some other figure or institution. Because theirs is a pathology, not a passion
You’re the one that can’t move on from Brexit given your continual droning on about Remoaners ! There is no moment of triumph for Remainers given the UK is out and won’t be going back anytime soon.
There are genuinely lots of people who think Boris is the only thing holding Brexit up and that if he goes, we'll swiftly start rejoining.
Sure, but it's a bit like when people pointed out Trump said Boris was Britain Trump. Yes, but do you agree with what Trump/FBPE twitter says? As i dont.
Tho I do wonder what will happen to the blind rage of the Remoaners, when and if Boris goes. Will it finally dissipate, or will they simply move on to the next target for their angst?
You would think seeing the PM removed by MPs writing letters would disabuse people of the idea that we have a fascist government, but I'm not hopeful.
Me neither. If Boris goes I reckon the Remoaners might feel a moment of triumph, then a weird bit of depression. Post coitum omne animal tiriste est
Then they will resume normal service, attacking some other figure or institution. Because theirs is a pathology, not a passion
You’re the one that can’t move on from Brexit given your continual droning on about Remoaners ! There is no moment of triumph for Remainers given the UK is out and won’t be going back anytime soon.
There are genuinely lots of people who think Boris is the only thing holding Brexit up and that if he goes, we'll swiftly start rejoining.
Tho I do wonder what will happen to the blind rage of the Remoaners, when and if Boris goes. Will it finally dissipate, or will they simply move on to the next target for their angst?
You would think seeing the PM removed by MPs writing letters would disabuse people of the idea that we have a fascist government, but I'm not hopeful.
Me neither. If Boris goes I reckon the Remoaners might feel a moment of triumph, then a weird bit of depression. Post coitum omne animal tiriste est
Then they will resume normal service, attacking some other figure or institution. Because theirs is a pathology, not a passion
You’re the one that can’t move on from Brexit given your continual droning on about Remoaners ! There is no moment of triumph for Remainers given the UK is out and won’t be going back anytime soon.
There are genuinely lots of people who think Boris is the only thing holding Brexit up and that if he goes, we'll swiftly start rejoining.
R4 - contrasting views between Fraser Nelson “rebels have moved too soon” and Sebastian Payne “unless it’s a big win Johnson is not out of danger as 1922 can change rules”. If there is contest, coronation may be preferred.
I don't see how a coronation is possible. After IDS a coronation was possible because Howard was the "old cardinal" who could be the Leader of the Opposition who'd take the forthcoming election defeat allowing the "young cardinals" to step forwards and have their own time afterwards.
Whoever replaces Boris is Prime Minister. No way will every contender step aside from that.
Exactly, no way if Boris goes Hunt or Sunak get a coronation. Raab, Truss, Patel, Gove, maybe Wallace too will also stand and fancy their chances if winning once it gets to the membership
“Liz Truss has the gravitas and temperament to navigate the Ukraine situation “
Words nobody said ever.
Johnsons been fine on Ukraine, as I say let him continue to be a representative on it.
Good point. The Ukes love BJ and it would have the benefit of his defenestration not being seen as a total rejection of his Govt's record, which it shoudn't be as it is quite defensible. Would also help to suppress some of the bitterness of the fall-out. However not sure Boris would go for it. Would depend on who the successor is.
If Boris loses he will leave politics shortly afterwards
He’s had the biggest job, and done some remarkable things (whether you like him or not). He’s still young enough to make major money as writer/speaker/pundit and he will want to start doing that ASAP
Ironic that, at the end of the Platinum Jubilee, the Conservatives might finish off the Queen's 16th Prime Minister.
Perfect end to the celebrations, as I said last night
This is definitely the highlight of the jubilee. It is The Biggie that everyone will remember. Just as the Sex Pistols hitting Number One was the clear highlight of the silver jubilee.
God save the Queen A fascist regime They made you a moron Potential H-bomb
God save the Queen She ain't no human being There is no future In England's dreaming
Don't be told about what you want Don't be told about what you need No future, no future, no future for you
God save the Queen We mean it, man We love our Queen God saves
God save the Queen Tourists are money But our figurehead Is not what she seems
God save history God save your mad parade Oh Lord, have mercy! All crimes are paid
When there's no future, how can there be sin? We're the flowers in the dustbin We're the poison in the human machine We're the future, we're the future
God save the Queen We mean it, man We love our Queen God saves
God save the Queen We mean it, man We love our Queen God saves
No future, no future No future, no future No future, no future No future, no future
No future, no future No future, no future No future for you
Songwriting and delivery at its very best. John Lydon is one of England’s national treasures.
The irony being that the Queen continued on and the Sex Pistols imploded.
I suppose Jim Callaghan's 'fascist regime' did lose power less than two years later.
You say imploded but they are back on the telly. Sex Pistols: banned by the BBC; dramatised by Netflix.
To be watched by the middle aged middle class.
The Sex Pistols are now part of the establishment.
Ageing happens to us all eventually.
Before punk the counterculture of the 60s underwent the same process. People who were young then grew up to be the establishment of the future.
The Beatles, Dylan, Doors, Hendrix etc have long been listened to more by establishment figures than revolutionary ones I expect.
After punk, hip hop has become increasingly establishment too.
Punk was really a middle-class phenomenon. Not many 1976-7 working class kids could afford a leather jacket with safety pins or a blue mohican.
Fraser Nelson on R4 sounds pretty confident that Johnson will win and says the vote has come too early for those who wish to depose him.
I heard Fraser Nelson on the radio maybe last week, maybe before. Was asked if the PM would win the vote? He sounded as if he genuinely was shocked anyone could even ask the question. Confidence is great. Complacency isn't.
“Liz Truss has the gravitas and temperament to navigate the Ukraine situation “
Words nobody said ever.
Johnsons been fine on Ukraine, as I say let him continue to be a representative on it.
Good point. The Ukes love BJ and it would have the benefit of his defenestration not being seen as a total rejection of his Govt's record, which it shoudn't be as it is quite defensible. Would also help to suppress some of the bitterness of the fall-out. However not sure Boris would go for it. Would depend on who the successor is.
If Boris loses he will leave politics shortly afterwards
He’s had the biggest job, and done some remarkable things (whether you like him or not). He’s still young enough to make major money as writer/speaker/pundit and he will want to start doing that ASAP
Ironic that, at the end of the Platinum Jubilee, the Conservatives might finish off the Queen's 16th Prime Minister.
Perfect end to the celebrations, as I said last night
This is definitely the highlight of the jubilee. It is The Biggie that everyone will remember. Just as the Sex Pistols hitting Number One was the clear highlight of the silver jubilee.
God save the Queen A fascist regime They made you a moron Potential H-bomb
God save the Queen She ain't no human being There is no future In England's dreaming
Don't be told about what you want Don't be told about what you need No future, no future, no future for you
God save the Queen We mean it, man We love our Queen God saves
God save the Queen Tourists are money But our figurehead Is not what she seems
God save history God save your mad parade Oh Lord, have mercy! All crimes are paid
When there's no future, how can there be sin? We're the flowers in the dustbin We're the poison in the human machine We're the future, we're the future
God save the Queen We mean it, man We love our Queen God saves
God save the Queen We mean it, man We love our Queen God saves
No future, no future No future, no future No future, no future No future, no future
No future, no future No future, no future No future for you
Songwriting and delivery at its very best. John Lydon is one of England’s national treasures.
The irony being that the Queen continued on and the Sex Pistols imploded.
I suppose Jim Callaghan's 'fascist regime' did lose power less than two years later.
You say imploded but they are back on the telly. Sex Pistols: banned by the BBC; dramatised by Netflix.
To be watched by the middle aged middle class.
The Sex Pistols are now part of the establishment.
Ageing happens to us all eventually.
Before punk the counterculture of the 60s underwent the same process. People who were young then grew up to be the establishment of the future.
The Beatles, Dylan, Doors, Hendrix etc have long been listened to more by establishment figures than revolutionary ones I expect.
After punk, hip hop has become increasingly establishment too.
Punk was really a middle-class phenomenon. Not many 1976-7 working class kids could afford a leather jacket with safety pins or a blue mohican.
Tho I do wonder what will happen to the blind rage of the Remoaners, when and if Boris goes. Will it finally dissipate, or will they simply move on to the next target for their angst?
You would think seeing the PM removed by MPs writing letters would disabuse people of the idea that we have a fascist government, but I'm not hopeful.
Me neither. If Boris goes I reckon the Remoaners might feel a moment of triumph, then a weird bit of depression. Post coitum omne animal tiriste est
Then they will resume normal service, attacking some other figure or institution. Because theirs is a pathology, not a passion
You’re the one that can’t move on from Brexit given your continual droning on about Remoaners ! There is no moment of triumph for Remainers given the UK is out and won’t be going back anytime soon.
There are genuinely lots of people who think Boris is the only thing holding Brexit up and that if he goes, we'll swiftly start rejoining.
That's nuts. Which is not that surprising, given the source
Some closer alignment is likely over time, either under SKS/another Labour leader or a Conservative PM some way down the line. But no Tory is going to win the membership ballot on any kind of rejoin/big change to Brexit platform, not get away with a post-victory reverse ferret with the current set of MPs, I should think.
Betting-wise, I want Johnson to stay. Even personally, I think it might be better for him to stay and have a meltdown at the next GE than to go (that does depend on who the next leader would be). But I certainly don't think Johnson's departure is would deliver the kind of EU relationship (cutting the pointless new red tape) I would like to see before the next GE.
Fraser Nelson on R4 sounds pretty confident that Johnson will win and says the vote has come too early for those who wish to depose him.
I heard Fraser Nelson on the radio maybe last week, maybe before. Was asked if the PM would win the vote? He sounded as if he genuinely was shocked anyone could even ask the question. Confidence is great. Complacency isn't.
If Johnson loses tonight I assume the first vote for a new leader will be on Wednesday.
There will be a period to get nominations with suitable support first, Last time the 1922 committee gave people a week to do that so if Boris goes today the closing date for nominations will probably be next Monday.
See, here’s you - @Scott_xP - a wanky Remoaner, cutting and pasting another wanky Remoaner on Twitter, and he in turn is retweeted by the FBPE wankers
All the greatest anger against him is driven by the imbecile Remoaners
It’s almost enough to get me to support Boris again, but…. Not quite enough. Not this time
Tho I do wonder what will happen to the blind rage of the Remoaners, when and if Boris goes. Will it finally dissipate, or will they simply move on to the next target for their angst?
That, I think is at the heart of it. Intelligent Brexiteers will recognize that the job now is to focus on un-fucking the things that Johnson's version of Brexit has fucked; and that will necessarily take the wind out of the sails of most Remainers. It's hard to look coherent if you are protesting someone doing more or less what you would recommend yourself; only the ultra-hard-line "pretend it never happened and imagine everyone will agree to us proceeding as if it were still 2016" fruit loops will be left on that particular island.
I'm not for a minute suggesting that there is such as a species as the Intelligent Brexiteer on the Tory benches, but you never know.
I noticed Dan Hannah - an intelligent Brexiteer - was talking about the Single Market at the weekend. He wasn’t suggesting we should rejoin, but the mere fact he used the words is intriguing
With Boris gone it will be easier to have that much-delayed debate as to what Brexit should do, and what it can’t do. Tho whether the Tories are capable of that debate is a different matter
Hannan has always been consistent in his support for the Single Market, he wanted to get out of the political structures and wasn’t particularly bothered by FoM.
He’s however correct in his argument that, now we are out of the SM, the UK needs to proactively take advantage of the opportunities offered by such an arrangement. Expect a candidate in the leadership contest, if we get one, to be pushing this line.
All these years, the Conservative Party thought that Boris Johnson was cleverly playing an oaf, and it turns out he wasn’t a talented actor after all but simply an oaf.
Ironic that, at the end of the Platinum Jubilee, the Conservatives might finish off the Queen's 16th Prime Minister.
Perfect end to the celebrations, as I said last night
This is definitely the highlight of the jubilee. It is The Biggie that everyone will remember. Just as the Sex Pistols hitting Number One was the clear highlight of the silver jubilee.
God save the Queen A fascist regime They made you a moron Potential H-bomb
God save the Queen She ain't no human being There is no future In England's dreaming
Don't be told about what you want Don't be told about what you need No future, no future, no future for you
God save the Queen We mean it, man We love our Queen God saves
God save the Queen Tourists are money But our figurehead Is not what she seems
God save history God save your mad parade Oh Lord, have mercy! All crimes are paid
When there's no future, how can there be sin? We're the flowers in the dustbin We're the poison in the human machine We're the future, we're the future
God save the Queen We mean it, man We love our Queen God saves
God save the Queen We mean it, man We love our Queen God saves
No future, no future No future, no future No future, no future No future, no future
No future, no future No future, no future No future for you
Songwriting and delivery at its very best. John Lydon is one of England’s national treasures.
The irony being that the Queen continued on and the Sex Pistols imploded.
I suppose Jim Callaghan's 'fascist regime' did lose power less than two years later.
You say imploded but they are back on the telly. Sex Pistols: banned by the BBC; dramatised by Netflix.
To be watched by the middle aged middle class.
The Sex Pistols are now part of the establishment.
Ageing happens to us all eventually.
Before punk the counterculture of the 60s underwent the same process. People who were young then grew up to be the establishment of the future.
The Beatles, Dylan, Doors, Hendrix etc have long been listened to more by establishment figures than revolutionary ones I expect.
After punk, hip hop has become increasingly establishment too.
Punk was really a middle-class phenomenon. Not many 1976-7 working class kids could afford a leather jacket with safety pins or a blue mohican.
You didn't need a leather jacket to listen, though
The MPs turned to Boris only when things got very desperate and they felt he was the only option to recover position and win a GE. They were right.
It would be very on brand for them to then junk him unceremoniously once they felt he was no longer needed.
I dont expect it, but it has logic.
Boris did what he was put there to do.
But its done now. That's not a reason to keep him.
If a team fighting against relegation sacks the Manager and brings in a specialist Manager that knows how to win relegation scraps manages to avoid relegation, then that's job done - but if you then want to go on to do well in the League you might look to move on from that Manager and find a new one afterwards.
Or. You could do a Burnley.
You only dare say that because OGH is in Belgium!
Ha! Serious point though. Maybe 2019 GE was the equivalent of Sean Dyche leading BFC into Europe? Some years later they're in the relegation zone. They changed, got a brief bounce, but the inevitable happened. Dyche was always the best man for the job. The problem was it was Burnley. Not the bloke at the top. That may be an analogy for this. Or it may not.
Ironic that, at the end of the Platinum Jubilee, the Conservatives might finish off the Queen's 16th Prime Minister.
Perfect end to the celebrations, as I said last night
This is definitely the highlight of the jubilee. It is The Biggie that everyone will remember. Just as the Sex Pistols hitting Number One was the clear highlight of the silver jubilee.
God save the Queen A fascist regime They made you a moron Potential H-bomb
God save the Queen She ain't no human being There is no future In England's dreaming
Don't be told about what you want Don't be told about what you need No future, no future, no future for you
God save the Queen We mean it, man We love our Queen God saves
God save the Queen Tourists are money But our figurehead Is not what she seems
God save history God save your mad parade Oh Lord, have mercy! All crimes are paid
When there's no future, how can there be sin? We're the flowers in the dustbin We're the poison in the human machine We're the future, we're the future
God save the Queen We mean it, man We love our Queen God saves
God save the Queen We mean it, man We love our Queen God saves
No future, no future No future, no future No future, no future No future, no future
No future, no future No future, no future No future for you
Songwriting and delivery at its very best. John Lydon is one of England’s national treasures.
The irony being that the Queen continued on and the Sex Pistols imploded.
I suppose Jim Callaghan's 'fascist regime' did lose power less than two years later.
You say imploded but they are back on the telly. Sex Pistols: banned by the BBC; dramatised by Netflix.
To be watched by the middle aged middle class.
The Sex Pistols are now part of the establishment.
Ageing happens to us all eventually.
Before punk the counterculture of the 60s underwent the same process. People who were young then grew up to be the establishment of the future.
The Beatles, Dylan, Doors, Hendrix etc have long been listened to more by establishment figures than revolutionary ones I expect.
After punk, hip hop has become increasingly establishment too.
Punk was really a middle-class phenomenon. Not many 1976-7 working class kids could afford a leather jacket with safety pins or a blue mohican.
That’s not true from my personal experience; and you could make the same false claim for many other youth subcultures of the 20th century
Mods for instance. Sharply dressed upper-working-class lower-middle-class kids from the London suburbs and dormitory towns. They somehow managed to afford the threads yet they definitely weren’t bourgeois
Ironic that, at the end of the Platinum Jubilee, the Conservatives might finish off the Queen's 16th Prime Minister.
Perfect end to the celebrations, as I said last night
This is definitely the highlight of the jubilee. It is The Biggie that everyone will remember. Just as the Sex Pistols hitting Number One was the clear highlight of the silver jubilee.
God save the Queen A fascist regime They made you a moron Potential H-bomb
God save the Queen She ain't no human being There is no future In England's dreaming
Don't be told about what you want Don't be told about what you need No future, no future, no future for you
God save the Queen We mean it, man We love our Queen God saves
God save the Queen Tourists are money But our figurehead Is not what she seems
God save history God save your mad parade Oh Lord, have mercy! All crimes are paid
When there's no future, how can there be sin? We're the flowers in the dustbin We're the poison in the human machine We're the future, we're the future
God save the Queen We mean it, man We love our Queen God saves
God save the Queen We mean it, man We love our Queen God saves
No future, no future No future, no future No future, no future No future, no future
No future, no future No future, no future No future for you
Songwriting and delivery at its very best. John Lydon is one of England’s national treasures.
The irony being that the Queen continued on and the Sex Pistols imploded.
I suppose Jim Callaghan's 'fascist regime' did lose power less than two years later.
You say imploded but they are back on the telly. Sex Pistols: banned by the BBC; dramatised by Netflix.
To be watched by the middle aged middle class.
The Sex Pistols are now part of the establishment.
Ageing happens to us all eventually.
Before punk the counterculture of the 60s underwent the same process. People who were young then grew up to be the establishment of the future.
The Beatles, Dylan, Doors, Hendrix etc have long been listened to more by establishment figures than revolutionary ones I expect.
After punk, hip hop has become increasingly establishment too.
Punk was really a middle-class phenomenon. Not many 1976-7 working class kids could afford a leather jacket with safety pins or a blue mohican.
The kids were into Emerson, Lake and Palmer?
Their older brothers tucked Led Zeppelin albums under their arms; their younger brothers became pastiche Mods. Girls had not been invented in the 70s.
Tho I do wonder what will happen to the blind rage of the Remoaners, when and if Boris goes. Will it finally dissipate, or will they simply move on to the next target for their angst?
You would think seeing the PM removed by MPs writing letters would disabuse people of the idea that we have a fascist government, but I'm not hopeful.
Me neither. If Boris goes I reckon the Remoaners might feel a moment of triumph, then a weird bit of depression. Post coitum omne animal tiriste est
Then they will resume normal service, attacking some other figure or institution. Because theirs is a pathology, not a passion
You’re the one that can’t move on from Brexit given your continual droning on about Remoaners ! There is no moment of triumph for Remainers given the UK is out and won’t be going back anytime soon.
There are genuinely lots of people who think Boris is the only thing holding Brexit up and that if he goes, we'll swiftly start rejoining.
See, here’s you - @Scott_xP - a wanky Remoaner, cutting and pasting another wanky Remoaner on Twitter, and he in turn is retweeted by the FBPE wankers
All the greatest anger against him is driven by the imbecile Remoaners
It’s almost enough to get me to support Boris again, but…. Not quite enough. Not this time
Tho I do wonder what will happen to the blind rage of the Remoaners, when and if Boris goes. Will it finally dissipate, or will they simply move on to the next target for their angst?
That, I think is at the heart of it. Intelligent Brexiteers will recognize that the job now is to focus on un-fucking the things that Johnson's version of Brexit has fucked; and that will necessarily take the wind out of the sails of most Remainers. It's hard to look coherent if you are protesting someone doing more or less what you would recommend yourself; only the ultra-hard-line "pretend it never happened and imagine everyone will agree to us proceeding as if it were still 2016" fruit loops will be left on that particular island.
I'm not for a minute suggesting that there is such as a species as the Intelligent Brexiteer on the Tory benches, but you never know.
I noticed Dan Hannah - an intelligent Brexiteer - was talking about the Single Market at the weekend. He wasn’t suggesting we should rejoin, but the mere fact he used the words is intriguing
With Boris gone it will be easier to have that much-delayed debate as to what Brexit should do, and what it can’t do. Tho whether the Tories are capable of that debate is a different matter
Hannan has always been consistent in his support for the Single Market, he wanted to get out of the political structures and wasn’t particularly bothered by FoM.
He’s however correct in his argument that, now we are out of the SM, the UK needs to proactively take advantage of the opportunities offered by such an arrangement. Expect a candidate in the leadership contest, if we get one, to be pushing this line.
Yes, that’s what I expect, too
As predicted by me on here, it will be Starmer who comes under intense pressure to go for SM/CU membership. And it will accord with his instincts
@NadineDorries PM won 80 seat majority, delivered Brexit, drove testing/vaccine delivery prog, introduced furlough, removed all COVID restrictions opening our economy, first leader to assist Ukraine + has delivered lowest unemployment since 1974. Every big decision bang on. He 💯 has my vote.
Tho I do wonder what will happen to the blind rage of the Remoaners, when and if Boris goes. Will it finally dissipate, or will they simply move on to the next target for their angst?
You would think seeing the PM removed by MPs writing letters would disabuse people of the idea that we have a fascist government, but I'm not hopeful.
Me neither. If Boris goes I reckon the Remoaners might feel a moment of triumph, then a weird bit of depression. Post coitum omne animal tiriste est
Then they will resume normal service, attacking some other figure or institution. Because theirs is a pathology, not a passion
You’re the one that can’t move on from Brexit given your continual droning on about Remoaners ! There is no moment of triumph for Remainers given the UK is out and won’t be going back anytime soon.
There are genuinely lots of people who think Boris is the only thing holding Brexit up and that if he goes, we'll swiftly start rejoining.
That's nuts. Which is not that surprising, given the source
Some closer alignment is likely over time, either under SKS/another Labour leader or a Conservative PM some way down the line. But no Tory is going to win the membership ballot on any kind of rejoin/big change to Brexit platform, not get away with a post-victory reverse ferret with the current set of MPs, I should think.
Betting-wise, I want Johnson to stay. Even personally, I think it might be better for him to stay and have a meltdown at the next GE than to go (that does depend on who the next leader would be). But I certainly don't think Johnson's departure is would deliver the kind of EU relationship (cutting the pointless new red tape) I would like to see before the next GE.
The EU will overplay their hand if a new British PM takes office believing that he or she will be "practical" and fold to all their negotiating lines.
They will continue to misread British politics. You can set your clock by it.
If Johnson loses tonight I assume the first vote for a new leader will be on Wednesday.
There will be a period to get nominations with suitable support first, Last time the 1922 committee gave people a week to do that so if Boris goes today the closing date for nominations will probably be next Monday.
So even in a coronation he beats Brown, good for him.
Ironic that, at the end of the Platinum Jubilee, the Conservatives might finish off the Queen's 16th Prime Minister.
Perfect end to the celebrations, as I said last night
This is definitely the highlight of the jubilee. It is The Biggie that everyone will remember. Just as the Sex Pistols hitting Number One was the clear highlight of the silver jubilee.
God save the Queen A fascist regime They made you a moron Potential H-bomb
God save the Queen She ain't no human being There is no future In England's dreaming
Don't be told about what you want Don't be told about what you need No future, no future, no future for you
God save the Queen We mean it, man We love our Queen God saves
God save the Queen Tourists are money But our figurehead Is not what she seems
God save history God save your mad parade Oh Lord, have mercy! All crimes are paid
When there's no future, how can there be sin? We're the flowers in the dustbin We're the poison in the human machine We're the future, we're the future
God save the Queen We mean it, man We love our Queen God saves
God save the Queen We mean it, man We love our Queen God saves
No future, no future No future, no future No future, no future No future, no future
No future, no future No future, no future No future for you
Songwriting and delivery at its very best. John Lydon is one of England’s national treasures.
The irony being that the Queen continued on and the Sex Pistols imploded.
I suppose Jim Callaghan's 'fascist regime' did lose power less than two years later.
You say imploded but they are back on the telly. Sex Pistols: banned by the BBC; dramatised by Netflix.
To be watched by the middle aged middle class.
The Sex Pistols are now part of the establishment.
Ageing happens to us all eventually.
Before punk the counterculture of the 60s underwent the same process. People who were young then grew up to be the establishment of the future.
The Beatles, Dylan, Doors, Hendrix etc have long been listened to more by establishment figures than revolutionary ones I expect.
After punk, hip hop has become increasingly establishment too.
Punk was really a middle-class phenomenon. Not many 1976-7 working class kids could afford a leather jacket with safety pins or a blue mohican.
Sounds just like those blocking roads and pulling down statues in 2022. The anti-establishment mood of the day seems to be teenage rebellion against their parents, rather than actually wanting to pull down the system. Just like the ‘young communists’ would hate actual communism, unless their own parents had seats in the Duma.
Ironic that, at the end of the Platinum Jubilee, the Conservatives might finish off the Queen's 16th Prime Minister.
Perfect end to the celebrations, as I said last night
This is definitely the highlight of the jubilee. It is The Biggie that everyone will remember. Just as the Sex Pistols hitting Number One was the clear highlight of the silver jubilee.
God save the Queen A fascist regime They made you a moron Potential H-bomb
God save the Queen She ain't no human being There is no future In England's dreaming
Don't be told about what you want Don't be told about what you need No future, no future, no future for you
God save the Queen We mean it, man We love our Queen God saves
God save the Queen Tourists are money But our figurehead Is not what she seems
God save history God save your mad parade Oh Lord, have mercy! All crimes are paid
When there's no future, how can there be sin? We're the flowers in the dustbin We're the poison in the human machine We're the future, we're the future
God save the Queen We mean it, man We love our Queen God saves
God save the Queen We mean it, man We love our Queen God saves
No future, no future No future, no future No future, no future No future, no future
No future, no future No future, no future No future for you
Songwriting and delivery at its very best. John Lydon is one of England’s national treasures.
The irony being that the Queen continued on and the Sex Pistols imploded.
I suppose Jim Callaghan's 'fascist regime' did lose power less than two years later.
You say imploded but they are back on the telly. Sex Pistols: banned by the BBC; dramatised by Netflix.
To be watched by the middle aged middle class.
The Sex Pistols are now part of the establishment.
Ageing happens to us all eventually.
Before punk the counterculture of the 60s underwent the same process. People who were young then grew up to be the establishment of the future.
The Beatles, Dylan, Doors, Hendrix etc have long been listened to more by establishment figures than revolutionary ones I expect.
After punk, hip hop has become increasingly establishment too.
Punk was really a middle-class phenomenon. Not many 1976-7 working class kids could afford a leather jacket with safety pins or a blue mohican.
That’s not true from my personal experience; and you could make the same false claim for many other youth subcultures of the 20th century
Mods for instance. Sharply dressed upper-working-class lower-middle-class kids from the London suburbs and dormitory towns. They somehow managed to afford the threads yet they definitely weren’t bourgeois
On the one hand obviously he should go, on the other hand the lesson for his successor is likely to be it's fine to undermine democracy so long as you don't hold illegal parties in Downing Street - unless the successor is somewhat principled.
Conservative MPs should never have allowed him to become PM, they knew what he is.
Tho I do wonder what will happen to the blind rage of the Remoaners, when and if Boris goes. Will it finally dissipate, or will they simply move on to the next target for their angst?
You would think seeing the PM removed by MPs writing letters would disabuse people of the idea that we have a fascist government, but I'm not hopeful.
Me neither. If Boris goes I reckon the Remoaners might feel a moment of triumph, then a weird bit of depression. Post coitum omne animal tiriste est
Then they will resume normal service, attacking some other figure or institution. Because theirs is a pathology, not a passion
You’re the one that can’t move on from Brexit given your continual droning on about Remoaners ! There is no moment of triumph for Remainers given the UK is out and won’t be going back anytime soon.
There are genuinely lots of people who think Boris is the only thing holding Brexit up and that if he goes, we'll swiftly start rejoining.
Johnson's problem is that the voters no longer support him and he is massively damaging his party. The booing should be the final straw for even the most loyal of MPs.
Ironic that, at the end of the Platinum Jubilee, the Conservatives might finish off the Queen's 16th Prime Minister.
Perfect end to the celebrations, as I said last night
This is definitely the highlight of the jubilee. It is The Biggie that everyone will remember. Just as the Sex Pistols hitting Number One was the clear highlight of the silver jubilee.
God save the Queen A fascist regime They made you a moron Potential H-bomb
God save the Queen She ain't no human being There is no future In England's dreaming
Don't be told about what you want Don't be told about what you need No future, no future, no future for you
God save the Queen We mean it, man We love our Queen God saves
God save the Queen Tourists are money But our figurehead Is not what she seems
God save history God save your mad parade Oh Lord, have mercy! All crimes are paid
When there's no future, how can there be sin? We're the flowers in the dustbin We're the poison in the human machine We're the future, we're the future
God save the Queen We mean it, man We love our Queen God saves
God save the Queen We mean it, man We love our Queen God saves
No future, no future No future, no future No future, no future No future, no future
No future, no future No future, no future No future for you
Songwriting and delivery at its very best. John Lydon is one of England’s national treasures.
The irony being that the Queen continued on and the Sex Pistols imploded.
I suppose Jim Callaghan's 'fascist regime' did lose power less than two years later.
You say imploded but they are back on the telly. Sex Pistols: banned by the BBC; dramatised by Netflix.
To be watched by the middle aged middle class.
The Sex Pistols are now part of the establishment.
Ageing happens to us all eventually.
Before punk the counterculture of the 60s underwent the same process. People who were young then grew up to be the establishment of the future.
The Beatles, Dylan, Doors, Hendrix etc have long been listened to more by establishment figures than revolutionary ones I expect.
After punk, hip hop has become increasingly establishment too.
Punk was really a middle-class phenomenon. Not many 1976-7 working class kids could afford a leather jacket with safety pins or a blue mohican.
That’s not true from my personal experience; and you could make the same false claim for many other youth subcultures of the 20th century
Mods for instance. Sharply dressed upper-working-class lower-middle-class kids from the London suburbs and dormitory towns. They somehow managed to afford the threads yet they definitely weren’t bourgeois
Erm, how old were you in 1976?
Old enough to see older siblings getting deeply into punk, safety pins and all. And they were definitely comp kids
Ironic that, at the end of the Platinum Jubilee, the Conservatives might finish off the Queen's 16th Prime Minister.
Perfect end to the celebrations, as I said last night
This is definitely the highlight of the jubilee. It is The Biggie that everyone will remember. Just as the Sex Pistols hitting Number One was the clear highlight of the silver jubilee.
God save the Queen A fascist regime They made you a moron Potential H-bomb
God save the Queen She ain't no human being There is no future In England's dreaming
Don't be told about what you want Don't be told about what you need No future, no future, no future for you
God save the Queen We mean it, man We love our Queen God saves
God save the Queen Tourists are money But our figurehead Is not what she seems
God save history God save your mad parade Oh Lord, have mercy! All crimes are paid
When there's no future, how can there be sin? We're the flowers in the dustbin We're the poison in the human machine We're the future, we're the future
God save the Queen We mean it, man We love our Queen God saves
God save the Queen We mean it, man We love our Queen God saves
No future, no future No future, no future No future, no future No future, no future
No future, no future No future, no future No future for you
Songwriting and delivery at its very best. John Lydon is one of England’s national treasures.
The irony being that the Queen continued on and the Sex Pistols imploded.
I suppose Jim Callaghan's 'fascist regime' did lose power less than two years later.
You say imploded but they are back on the telly. Sex Pistols: banned by the BBC; dramatised by Netflix.
To be watched by the middle aged middle class.
The Sex Pistols are now part of the establishment.
Ageing happens to us all eventually.
Before punk the counterculture of the 60s underwent the same process. People who were young then grew up to be the establishment of the future.
The Beatles, Dylan, Doors, Hendrix etc have long been listened to more by establishment figures than revolutionary ones I expect.
After punk, hip hop has become increasingly establishment too.
Punk was really a middle-class phenomenon. Not many 1976-7 working class kids could afford a leather jacket with safety pins or a blue mohican.
The kids were into Emerson, Lake and Palmer?
Their older brothers tucked Led Zeppelin albums under their arms; their younger brothers became pastiche Mods. Girls had not been invented in the 70s.
Tho I do wonder what will happen to the blind rage of the Remoaners, when and if Boris goes. Will it finally dissipate, or will they simply move on to the next target for their angst?
You would think seeing the PM removed by MPs writing letters would disabuse people of the idea that we have a fascist government, but I'm not hopeful.
Me neither. If Boris goes I reckon the Remoaners might feel a moment of triumph, then a weird bit of depression. Post coitum omne animal tiriste est
Then they will resume normal service, attacking some other figure or institution. Because theirs is a pathology, not a passion
You’re the one that can’t move on from Brexit given your continual droning on about Remoaners ! There is no moment of triumph for Remainers given the UK is out and won’t be going back anytime soon.
There are genuinely lots of people who think Boris is the only thing holding Brexit up and that if he goes, we'll swiftly start rejoining.
The MPs turned to Boris only when things got very desperate and they felt he was the only option to recover position and win a GE. They were right.
It would be very on brand for them to then junk him unceremoniously once they felt he was no longer needed.
I dont expect it, but it has logic.
It would be very much karma for Boris to be junked unceremoniously once it was felt felt he was no longer needed...
Allegra Mostyn-Owen, Marina Wheeler, Helen Mcintyre, Petronella Wyatt, Anna Fazackerly and many other women will be having a good chortle this evening.
Tho I do wonder what will happen to the blind rage of the Remoaners, when and if Boris goes. Will it finally dissipate, or will they simply move on to the next target for their angst?
You would think seeing the PM removed by MPs writing letters would disabuse people of the idea that we have a fascist government, but I'm not hopeful.
Me neither. If Boris goes I reckon the Remoaners might feel a moment of triumph, then a weird bit of depression. Post coitum omne animal tiriste est
Then they will resume normal service, attacking some other figure or institution. Because theirs is a pathology, not a passion
You’re the one that can’t move on from Brexit given your continual droning on about Remoaners ! There is no moment of triumph for Remainers given the UK is out and won’t be going back anytime soon.
There are genuinely lots of people who think Boris is the only thing holding Brexit up and that if he goes, we'll swiftly start rejoining.
His depression will be profound - when the next PM is just as resolute on the EU.
I doubt that is strictly true. I hope a replacement will be more constructive in solving the issues in our relationship with the EU and we can iron out some of the bumps, although it depends upon who is elected, but the idea that Brexit is reversed is for the birds, so yes he may still be depressed.
See, here’s you - @Scott_xP - a wanky Remoaner, cutting and pasting another wanky Remoaner on Twitter, and he in turn is retweeted by the FBPE wankers
All the greatest anger against him is driven by the imbecile Remoaners
It’s almost enough to get me to support Boris again, but…. Not quite enough. Not this time
Tho I do wonder what will happen to the blind rage of the Remoaners, when and if Boris goes. Will it finally dissipate, or will they simply move on to the next target for their angst?
That, I think is at the heart of it. Intelligent Brexiteers will recognize that the job now is to focus on un-fucking the things that Johnson's version of Brexit has fucked; and that will necessarily take the wind out of the sails of most Remainers. It's hard to look coherent if you are protesting someone doing more or less what you would recommend yourself; only the ultra-hard-line "pretend it never happened and imagine everyone will agree to us proceeding as if it were still 2016" fruit loops will be left on that particular island.
I'm not for a minute suggesting that there is such as a species as the Intelligent Brexiteer on the Tory benches, but you never know.
I noticed Dan Hannah - an intelligent Brexiteer - was talking about the Single Market at the weekend. He wasn’t suggesting we should rejoin, but the mere fact he used the words is intriguing
With Boris gone it will be easier to have that much-delayed debate as to what Brexit should do, and what it can’t do. Tho whether the Tories are capable of that debate is a different matter
Daniel Hannan is a stupid person's idea of an intelligent Brexiteer.
So we get the VONC and we will know after 8pm this evening if Boris will survive it. My guess is he narrowly willl
I respect that guess @HYUFD but in reality a narrow win is a defeat for Johnson.
Personally I think he'll lose now because the momentum's heavily against him.
A narrow win would likely be very bad for the Conservative Party. If Johnson hangs on, as he is lkely to do in that situation, the Party would have the lamest of lame ducks as Leader.
Tho I do wonder what will happen to the blind rage of the Remoaners, when and if Boris goes. Will it finally dissipate, or will they simply move on to the next target for their angst?
You would think seeing the PM removed by MPs writing letters would disabuse people of the idea that we have a fascist government, but I'm not hopeful.
Me neither. If Boris goes I reckon the Remoaners might feel a moment of triumph, then a weird bit of depression. Post coitum omne animal tiriste est
Then they will resume normal service, attacking some other figure or institution. Because theirs is a pathology, not a passion
You’re the one that can’t move on from Brexit given your continual droning on about Remoaners ! There is no moment of triumph for Remainers given the UK is out and won’t be going back anytime soon.
There are genuinely lots of people who think Boris is the only thing holding Brexit up and that if he goes, we'll swiftly start rejoining.
That's nuts. Which is not that surprising, given the source
Some closer alignment is likely over time, either under SKS/another Labour leader or a Conservative PM some way down the line. But no Tory is going to win the membership ballot on any kind of rejoin/big change to Brexit platform, not get away with a post-victory reverse ferret with the current set of MPs, I should think.
Betting-wise, I want Johnson to stay. Even personally, I think it might be better for him to stay and have a meltdown at the next GE than to go (that does depend on who the next leader would be). But I certainly don't think Johnson's departure is would deliver the kind of EU relationship (cutting the pointless new red tape) I would like to see before the next GE.
The EU will overplay their hand if a new British PM takes office believing that he or she will be "practical" and fold to all their negotiating lines.
They will continue to misread British politics. You can set your clock by it.
I imagine they're quite bemused by the whole thing and may well hold fire until someone comes to them with some proposals for change. If not, they really are stupid. What was it Bush said? Fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again. Whole legions of EU beaurocrats who would surely rather commit hara-kiri than draft any more EU-UK agreements
Ironic that, at the end of the Platinum Jubilee, the Conservatives might finish off the Queen's 16th Prime Minister.
Perfect end to the celebrations, as I said last night
This is definitely the highlight of the jubilee. It is The Biggie that everyone will remember. Just as the Sex Pistols hitting Number One was the clear highlight of the silver jubilee.
God save the Queen A fascist regime They made you a moron Potential H-bomb
God save the Queen She ain't no human being There is no future In England's dreaming
Don't be told about what you want Don't be told about what you need No future, no future, no future for you
God save the Queen We mean it, man We love our Queen God saves
God save the Queen Tourists are money But our figurehead Is not what she seems
God save history God save your mad parade Oh Lord, have mercy! All crimes are paid
When there's no future, how can there be sin? We're the flowers in the dustbin We're the poison in the human machine We're the future, we're the future
God save the Queen We mean it, man We love our Queen God saves
God save the Queen We mean it, man We love our Queen God saves
No future, no future No future, no future No future, no future No future, no future
No future, no future No future, no future No future for you
Songwriting and delivery at its very best. John Lydon is one of England’s national treasures.
The irony being that the Queen continued on and the Sex Pistols imploded.
I suppose Jim Callaghan's 'fascist regime' did lose power less than two years later.
You say imploded but they are back on the telly. Sex Pistols: banned by the BBC; dramatised by Netflix.
To be watched by the middle aged middle class.
The Sex Pistols are now part of the establishment.
Ageing happens to us all eventually.
Before punk the counterculture of the 60s underwent the same process. People who were young then grew up to be the establishment of the future.
The Beatles, Dylan, Doors, Hendrix etc have long been listened to more by establishment figures than revolutionary ones I expect.
After punk, hip hop has become increasingly establishment too.
Punk was really a middle-class phenomenon. Not many 1976-7 working class kids could afford a leather jacket with safety pins or a blue mohican.
Soz but that's total bollocks. Of course there were middle class/poshos involved but the core of it was yer actual working class yoof.
Those who criticise it I'm thinking were busy listening to Boney M or Brotherhood of Man.
If you went to the Marquee, Vortex, 100 Club, Roxy, Music Machine, Hope & Anchor, Dingwalls, Nashville, as well as the larger venues - Roundhouse, Rainbow, Hammersmith Odeon then later Bridge House, etc it was full of "working class kids".
All these years, the Conservative Party thought that Boris Johnson was cleverly playing an oaf, and it turns out he wasn’t a talented actor after all but simply an oaf.
It is often useful, as a general tactic in life...to give the slight impression that you are deliberately pretending to not know what is going on. Because the reality may be that you dont know what is going on but people won't be able to tell the difference.
Tho I do wonder what will happen to the blind rage of the Remoaners, when and if Boris goes. Will it finally dissipate, or will they simply move on to the next target for their angst?
You would think seeing the PM removed by MPs writing letters would disabuse people of the idea that we have a fascist government, but I'm not hopeful.
Me neither. If Boris goes I reckon the Remoaners might feel a moment of triumph, then a weird bit of depression. Post coitum omne animal tiriste est
Then they will resume normal service, attacking some other figure or institution. Because theirs is a pathology, not a passion
You’re the one that can’t move on from Brexit given your continual droning on about Remoaners ! There is no moment of triumph for Remainers given the UK is out and won’t be going back anytime soon.
There are genuinely lots of people who think Boris is the only thing holding Brexit up and that if he goes, we'll swiftly start rejoining.
So we get the VONC and we will know after 8pm this evening if Boris will survive it. My guess is he narrowly willl
I respect that guess @HYUFD but in reality a narrow win is a defeat for Johnson.
Personally I think he'll lose now because the momentum's heavily against him.
A narrow win would likely be very bad for the Conservative Party. If Johnson hangs on, as he is lkely to do in that situation, the Party would have the lamest of lame ducks as Leader.
And there will be clamour to vote again when the party loses the two by-elections as deposers lament that they have shot their bolt prematurely.
Well, I for one am seriously pissed off with Conservative MPs today.
Returning to work after a four day weekend was always going to be hard. I have to complete tedious paper work for a pre-budget presentation. Now full concentration is now next to impossible. There is a full day of idle, pointless speculation on PB to engage in.
So thanks a bunch Brady and the rest of your miserable lot.
Tho I do wonder what will happen to the blind rage of the Remoaners, when and if Boris goes. Will it finally dissipate, or will they simply move on to the next target for their angst?
You would think seeing the PM removed by MPs writing letters would disabuse people of the idea that we have a fascist government, but I'm not hopeful.
Me neither. If Boris goes I reckon the Remoaners might feel a moment of triumph, then a weird bit of depression. Post coitum omne animal tiriste est
Then they will resume normal service, attacking some other figure or institution. Because theirs is a pathology, not a passion
You’re the one that can’t move on from Brexit given your continual droning on about Remoaners ! There is no moment of triumph for Remainers given the UK is out and won’t be going back anytime soon.
There are genuinely lots of people who think Boris is the only thing holding Brexit up and that if he goes, we'll swiftly start rejoining.
Ironic that, at the end of the Platinum Jubilee, the Conservatives might finish off the Queen's 16th Prime Minister.
Perfect end to the celebrations, as I said last night
This is definitely the highlight of the jubilee. It is The Biggie that everyone will remember. Just as the Sex Pistols hitting Number One was the clear highlight of the silver jubilee.
God save the Queen A fascist regime They made you a moron Potential H-bomb
God save the Queen She ain't no human being There is no future In England's dreaming
Don't be told about what you want Don't be told about what you need No future, no future, no future for you
God save the Queen We mean it, man We love our Queen God saves
God save the Queen Tourists are money But our figurehead Is not what she seems
God save history God save your mad parade Oh Lord, have mercy! All crimes are paid
When there's no future, how can there be sin? We're the flowers in the dustbin We're the poison in the human machine We're the future, we're the future
God save the Queen We mean it, man We love our Queen God saves
God save the Queen We mean it, man We love our Queen God saves
No future, no future No future, no future No future, no future No future, no future
No future, no future No future, no future No future for you
Songwriting and delivery at its very best. John Lydon is one of England’s national treasures.
The irony being that the Queen continued on and the Sex Pistols imploded.
I suppose Jim Callaghan's 'fascist regime' did lose power less than two years later.
You say imploded but they are back on the telly. Sex Pistols: banned by the BBC; dramatised by Netflix.
To be watched by the middle aged middle class.
The Sex Pistols are now part of the establishment.
Ageing happens to us all eventually.
Before punk the counterculture of the 60s underwent the same process. People who were young then grew up to be the establishment of the future.
The Beatles, Dylan, Doors, Hendrix etc have long been listened to more by establishment figures than revolutionary ones I expect.
After punk, hip hop has become increasingly establishment too.
Punk was really a middle-class phenomenon. Not many 1976-7 working class kids could afford a leather jacket with safety pins or a blue mohican.
Sounds just like those blocking roads and pulling down statues in 2022. The anti-establishment mood of the day seems to be teenage rebellion against their parents, rather than actually wanting to pull down the system. Just like the ‘young communists’ would hate actual communism, unless their own parents had seats in the Duma.
The Dyma only existed before and after the Soviet Union. Not during. The closest analog was the Supreme Soviet. ☭
My ideal is a relatively safe pair of hands able to govern effectively and take the Conservatives gracefully into the spell in opposition that they desperately need. Hunt fits the bill. The defence secretary is another.
The worst case is lurching to an extreme or electing an ego trip merchant. Patel, Mogg or Truss. The damage they would do to the country would be immense.
They could do a lot worse than making Jesse Norman leader. That letter absolutely nailed the clown
See, here’s you - @Scott_xP - a wanky Remoaner, cutting and pasting another wanky Remoaner on Twitter, and he in turn is retweeted by the FBPE wankers
All the greatest anger against him is driven by the imbecile Remoaners
It’s almost enough to get me to support Boris again, but…. Not quite enough. Not this time
Tho I do wonder what will happen to the blind rage of the Remoaners, when and if Boris goes. Will it finally dissipate, or will they simply move on to the next target for their angst?
That, I think is at the heart of it. Intelligent Brexiteers will recognize that the job now is to focus on un-fucking the things that Johnson's version of Brexit has fucked; and that will necessarily take the wind out of the sails of most Remainers. It's hard to look coherent if you are protesting someone doing more or less what you would recommend yourself; only the ultra-hard-line "pretend it never happened and imagine everyone will agree to us proceeding as if it were still 2016" fruit loops will be left on that particular island.
I'm not for a minute suggesting that there is such as a species as the Intelligent Brexiteer on the Tory benches, but you never know.
I noticed Dan Hannah - an intelligent Brexiteer - was talking about the Single Market at the weekend. He wasn’t suggesting we should rejoin, but the mere fact he used the words is intriguing
With Boris gone it will be easier to have that much-delayed debate as to what Brexit should do, and what it can’t do. Tho whether the Tories are capable of that debate is a different matter
Daniel Hannan is a stupid person's idea of an intelligent Brexiteer.
That quote by Julie Burchill, “PERSON XXXXX is a stupid person’s idea of an intelligent person” has always struck me as the stupid person’s idea of an intelligent aphorism. Interesting that you use it
My gut says the snap vote makes it better for BoJo which is why I have greened out of the exit date market but I really, really don't know (which is another reason I have exited the market)
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Anyone remember the comedy of Weller trying to claim that only people who agreed with the politics could like "Eton Rifles"?
How many voting for Boris today will suddenly go "Oh" when that happens.
@Andrew_Adonis
If Boris goes, Brexit goes
https://twitter.com/Andrew_Adonis/status/1481539354006802432
The Tories won't want to hold the next GE before the new boundaries are in place, and it's still slightly more than 12 months before they'll be ready.
Before punk the counterculture of the 60s underwent the same process. People who were young then grew up to be the establishment of the future.
The Beatles, Dylan, Doors, Hendrix etc have long been listened to more by establishment figures than revolutionary ones I expect.
After punk, hip hop has become increasingly establishment too.
What an attractive spectacle.
Was asked if the PM would win the vote?
He sounded as if he genuinely was shocked anyone could even ask the question.
Confidence is great. Complacency isn't.
Personally I think he'll lose now because the momentum's heavily against him.
Though of course the Tories lost Christchurch in that by election having ousted PM Thatcher as leader only 3 years before
He’s had the biggest job, and done some remarkable things (whether you like him or not). He’s still young enough to make major money as writer/speaker/pundit and he will want to start doing that ASAP
I thought TSE was referring to OGH (...the Platy Joob's long holiday) (!)
But should have spotted, no apostrophe.
https://youtu.be/C6ZDsUGiGqM
So sad, we feel your pain Leon. Hang in there.
OMG I remember Our Tune. Yes that saccharine music. Lol
Some closer alignment is likely over time, either under SKS/another Labour leader or a Conservative PM some way down the line. But no Tory is going to win the membership ballot on any kind of rejoin/big change to Brexit platform, not get away with a post-victory reverse ferret with the current set of MPs, I should think.
Betting-wise, I want Johnson to stay. Even personally, I think it might be better for him to stay and have a meltdown at the next GE than to go (that does depend on who the next leader would be). But I certainly don't think Johnson's departure is would deliver the kind of EU relationship (cutting the pointless new red tape) I would like to see before the next GE.
He’s however correct in his argument that, now we are out of the SM, the UK needs to proactively take advantage of the opportunities offered by such an arrangement. Expect a candidate in the leadership contest, if we get one, to be pushing this line.
Serious point though.
Maybe 2019 GE was the equivalent of Sean Dyche leading BFC into Europe? Some years later they're in the relegation zone. They changed, got a brief bounce, but the inevitable happened.
Dyche was always the best man for the job.
The problem was it was Burnley. Not the bloke at the top.
That may be an analogy for this. Or it may not.
Mods for instance. Sharply dressed upper-working-class lower-middle-class kids from the London suburbs and dormitory towns. They somehow managed to afford the threads yet they definitely weren’t bourgeois
The pro ejection leaflet is, I guess, shorter:
"He's an embarassment and he'll cost you your job at the next election".
As predicted by me on here, it will be Starmer who comes under intense pressure to go for SM/CU membership. And it will accord with his instincts
In their dreams
But Boris’ big problem is that lots of his MPs don’t know what he stands for anymore, or what he wants to deliver
This is feeding the partygate disillusionment https://twitter.com/anushkaasthana/status/1533724934492536834
Just far, far wider than he was implying.
@NadineDorries
PM won 80 seat majority, delivered Brexit, drove testing/vaccine delivery prog, introduced furlough, removed all COVID restrictions opening our economy, first leader to assist Ukraine + has delivered lowest unemployment since 1974. Every big decision bang on. He 💯 has my vote.
https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1533724348510527488
They will continue to misread British politics. You can set your clock by it.
Significant move. Now:
1.38 Wins, 3.50 Loses
Compared to on here the outside world seems pretty confident that Johnson will win this.
I think you have to take a bit of that 3.5?
Conservative MPs should never have allowed him to become PM, they knew what he is.
https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1533721564390338560
From the vaccine rollout to our response to Russian aggression, the PM has shown the strong leadership our country needs.
I am backing him today and will continue to back him as we focus on growing the economy, tackling the cost of living and clearing the Covid backlogs.
According to the Beeb 16 of 22 Cabinet members have publicly backed Boris already. I'd be curious who the 6 who haven't yet are.
The legislation has been passed and we have left. The process to go back will take years even if some mythical new PM started the process to tomorrow.
As Osborne has been saying, you have to "take" power. No one will hand it over.
Those who criticise it I'm thinking were busy listening to Boney M or Brotherhood of Man.
If you went to the Marquee, Vortex, 100 Club, Roxy, Music Machine, Hope & Anchor, Dingwalls, Nashville, as well as the larger venues - Roundhouse, Rainbow, Hammersmith Odeon then later Bridge House, etc it was full of "working class kids".
The ERG effectively whipped their bloc against May. Sentiment against Boris can be found in all parts of the party, but I don't know how deep it is.
I expect him to survive but it could easily be a collapse.
Boris Johnson MP
They are obliged to say so but can still cast a secret ballot against him.
Returning to work after a four day weekend was always going to be hard. I have to complete tedious paper work for a pre-budget presentation. Now full concentration is now next to impossible. There is a full day of idle, pointless speculation on PB to engage in.
So thanks a bunch Brady and the rest of your miserable lot.
Is win and then call a snap election for the end of this year.