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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,735
    Interesting account of a Ukrainian farmer in western Ukraine, with last year's harvest still waiting to export.

    here is a story for you to stop blaming Ukraine for an upcoming food crisis: my father is a farmer in Lviv region, a Western part of Ukraine near the Polish border. he had a lot of clients abroad and his produce in large amounts was transported by the Black sea. 1/...
    https://twitter.com/readerwriternow/status/1533719101754966016
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited June 2022
    Applicant said:

    And Blair and Thatcher. SKS would be the same too.
    Forgot Blair!
    Thatcher had ministerial experience alongside LOTO
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,135
    👀 Another Tory MP on Govt payroll texts to say: 'Rebels are confident of 133'.

    That's the threshold at which Boris Johnson fares worse than Theresa May.

    TMay won her confidence vote by 63%... and even then stood down as party leader 6 months later.

    https://twitter.com/LOS_Fisher/status/1533786870819209221
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,629
    Nigelb said:

    Did we do this ?

    I’m sorry to have to resign as the PM’s Anti-Corruption Tsar but, after his reply last week about the Ministerial Code, it’s pretty clear he has broken it. That’s a resigning matter for me, and it should be for the PM too. Here’s my letter to him explaining why.
    https://twitter.com/JohnPenroseNews/status/1533753928483061760

    Yes, but it bears reiterating.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,219
    Nigelb said:

    There's another western leader who even more richly deserves the order of the boot.

    https://twitter.com/Hromadske/status/1533750041449488387
    The German government is not supplying tanks to Ukraine because it fears that Ukrainian troops could use them to invade Russia, reported Spiegel, citing its sources.

    The bit in the linked article that I question is - "{Germany sent} 1,500 Strela anti-aircraft missiles."

    If Germanys sent any shoulder launched Russian missiles, they would be 30 years old. 30 year old solid rocket fuel is lethally dangerous unless proven otherwise.
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379

    Forgot Blair!
    Thatcher had ministerial experience alongside LOTO
    Ministerial experience, but not one of the great offices.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,735
    Scott_xP said:

    Conservative MP tells me that a significant amount of arm twisting is going on to get them to tweet support for Boris Johnson. The ring round is in full swing.
    https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1533785552503418881

    In this afternoon’s vote I will be unable to give my support to the Prime Minister. The country has reason to be grateful to Boris Johnson for getting Brexit done after a period of uncertainty and for securing a successful vaccine programme in the face of the pandemic.
    https://twitter.com/MarkPawsey/status/1533781441766645761
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    No one had IDS in that list of eligible runners and riders who fit the criteria.
    Please.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    Have now heard a number of political journalists saying he won't lose.
    I think he may well.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    Reports the Dorries thread about Hunt has convinced a few.
    That he has to go.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,135
    Education Sec Nadhim Zahawi on Dorries v Hunt: 'I'm heartbroken that colleagues are suddenly having to attack each other'
    https://twitter.com/JasonGroves1/status/1533786944433696768
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    Wait, what?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-61703174

    South Africans have condemned Irish airline Ryanair for making them take a test in the Afrikaans language on UK flights, calling it discriminatory.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,188
    TOPPING said:

    Are we going to do a tally of who on PB thinks what.

    I think Boris loses. My reasoning is that it will (indeed has already been) one damn thing after another and if they keep him it is only a matter of time before he Borises up again and we are back to where we started all the while the polls tanking.

    He has tainted the party and although has had successes that was then and we are left with a very flawed leader.*

    Took the 5.1 bf at modest levels.

    *Of course we always were but it is becoming more transparent to people by the day.

    I think he loses by 5-10.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited June 2022
    Applicant said:

    Ministerial experience, but not one of the great offices.
    Yes but i was talking about PMs with only LOTO experience, no ministerial of any kind - MacDonald, Cameron and Blair whom i'd totally overlooked.

    Edit - Wilson, for example had also never held a great office of State
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,629
    Mortimer said:

    I think he loses by 5-10.
    I hope he loses, I suspect he will win by around 65.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,135
    Sarah Montague on The World at One just invented a new compendium cabinet loyalist, Nadhim Dorries. Artistic impressions welcome.
    https://twitter.com/DAaronovitch/status/1533789057049821186
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939
    Mortimer said:

    I think he loses by 5-10.
    I'm on the lose list too.
    Not a single positive reason yet put forward to keep him. Any that are all look to the past not the future.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,135
    🚨

    Absolutely brutal JL Partners poll for The Telegraph which will worry Tory MPs:

    - 63% of voters now have negative view of PM

    - 93% of those with negative view unlikely to change their mind

    - 62% believe PM should not lead Tories into next election
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/06/06/boris-johnson-news-confidence-vote-partygate-tory-mps/
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,823
    We're over in the next thread, everyone.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,135
    I'm hearing the thread below from the Culture Secretary about Jeremy Hunt has incensed some MPs and is tempting some to vote against the Prime Minister -- because they feel it comes with his endorsement
    https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1533763405844185088?s=20&t=Vh5EGuDeEVl1VoXo9ivr-w
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,135
    ...
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Right, my fully uneducated opinion gives Boris a 25% chance of losing today.

    Which, disappointingly is about what the markets think as well so I haven't even came up with a controversial opinion.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,630
    Nigelb said:

    I wonder if he will ?

    I understand the Tory MP accused of rape will be allowed to vote in today's confidence vote in Boris Johnson.

    It is because he has not had the whip suspended

    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1533754523604361218

    Accused but not charged - off course he should be allowed to vote. What land do we live in an accusation is enough to stop you voting?
  • Old_HandOld_Hand Posts: 50
    To paraphrase the advice of Niccolo Machiavelli written five centuries ago, to stay in power a leader has either to be loved or feared. We will see later which applies in Great Britain today.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,735

    The bit in the linked article that I question is - "{Germany sent} 1,500 Strela anti-aircraft missiles."

    If Germanys sent any shoulder launched Russian missiles, they would be 30 years old. 30 year old solid rocket fuel is lethally dangerous unless proven otherwise.
    Probably.
    If properly stored, some solid propellant motors have a shelf life of up to 25 years, but the reported condition of these didn't indicate they'd been particularly well looked after - and 30 years is more than pushing it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,735
    Old_Hand said:

    To paraphrase the advice of Niccolo Machiavelli written five centuries ago, to stay in power a leader has either to be loved or feared. We will see later which applies in Great Britain today.

    Or neither.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,735

    Accused but not charged - off course he should be allowed to vote. What land do we live in an accusation is enough to stop you voting?
    Also arrested and bailed.

    I didn't wonder whether he would or should be allowed to vote, but whether he would do so.
  • PJHPJH Posts: 815
    Leon said:

    Quite so. Boris is actually not that bad as PM, per se

    Of course if you think Brexit is the greatest British disaster since the Somme then you will think he is terrible, but try and set that aside and you are left with a very good campaigner, who won two brilliant victories (the referendum and the 2019 GE) who crushed Corbynism and has shown himself notably superior to most of his European counterparts in several crucial areas: vaccines to beat Covid, taking his nation out of lockdown, and serious support for Ukraine. He also brought off AUKUS

    That makes him far better than Brown and TMay, to my mind. Probably better than Cameron?

    Unfortunately he has deep personal flaws which are proving to be fatal. Mainly, he needs to be liked. I am pretty sure this is Why partygate. He didn’t want to be the balloon-popping naysayer in Number 10, it’s not his style, so he let it all get out of hand, and turned an indulgent blind eye. So his staff would like him. Ooops

    Also, he has no socio-economic vision for the country. None. Levelling up is all rhetoric and bluff. What else? A bridge to Rockall? A space centre for Newent? Meanwhile his government, like the PM himself, spaffs money everywhere

    One day we will be sufficiently far beyond Brexit that Boris will get a fair appraisal, and history will be surprisingly kind, I reckon. But we won’t achieve this neutral perspective for a looooooong time

    I disagree. He's easily the worst of my lifetime. Lazy, no grasp of detail, indecisive, insecure, says the first thing that comes into his head, no clear policy other than whatever's best for Boris today. And a thoroughly dishonest and unproncipled person as you do clearly say.

    There are some upsides to this - his laziness means that a capable subordinate will be left alone without interference and can deliver. Unfortunately his insecurity means that anyone capable will be cut down as a threat - apart from Michael Gove, who is clearly unelectable as a PM.

    Where you are completely right is that he is a phenomenal politician - and that is a major part of being a successful PM. He seems to have a great sense for the way the wind is blowing in terms of what's popular in the country. He does have a sense of vision in vague terms, and can sell a story emotionally. His 'Boris' persona is memorable and at least initially appealing. Above all he can smell a threat a mile off and is utterly ruthless in going for the jugular in squashing it.

    His political skill has made him electorally unassailable, until he has been found out as PM, which needs so much more.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,201

    If there's an iota of truth in that, its truly shocking. Thank goodness Hunt wasn't PM is so. 😲
    What was government policy for inbound flights: self-isolation or quarantine hotels?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100

    What was Margaret Thatcher? I thought she was education secretary?
    LoO
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,201
    New thread.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594

    It is but it's far more likely Tory MPs bottle it than not.

    If there were a clear alternative polling much better he'd already be gone.
    He's not without some qualities, but he's also just plain lucky on top of that.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594
    Scott_xP said:

    Just spoke to a @BorisJohnson supporter who hopes the number of MPs calling for him to go will be under 100. At that rate the MP thinks he will be fine. But the MP fears 120 no votes which means PM would struggle. If it is 150 or more no votes then the PM “is finished”
    https://twitter.com/nicholaswatt/status/1533781685141217284

    The 'just 1 vote' stuff is probably bluster. There's a reason Thatcher knew her lead was a problem (yes it was a different system too).
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,677
    kle4 said:

    The 'just 1 vote' stuff is probably bluster. There's a reason Thatcher knew her lead was a problem (yes it was a different system too).
    It's quite effective bluster, though. Say he wins by 10. What do his opponents do to force him out? They could change the rules and force another vote. say he then wins by 8, and remains defiant. What then? There comes a point where even the Parliamentary party will get fed up with being asked the dame thing until they get the "right" answer, as they always accused the EU of doing.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594
    Scott_xP said:

    👀 Another Tory MP on Govt payroll texts to say: 'Rebels are confident of 133'.

    That's the threshold at which Boris Johnson fares worse than Theresa May.

    TMay won her confidence vote by 63%... and even then stood down as party leader 6 months later.

    https://twitter.com/LOS_Fisher/status/1533786870819209221

    True, but rebels should be wary of thinking theyll get another go so soon. May quit as her government was paralysed, leading to electoral humiliation. Are they prepared in 6-12 months to bring government to a halt?

    This could be it - only wound him and all you might achieve is him bleeding all over the party for 2 years. Like Corbyn.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,219
    Nigelb said:

    Probably.
    If properly stored, some solid propellant motors have a shelf life of up to 25 years, but the reported condition of these didn't indicate they'd been particularly well looked after - and 30 years is more than pushing it.
    One small crack in the grain and you'd be redoing Sir Hiram Maxim at Plumstead....
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,555

    Arthur Balfour is the last one.
    Campbell-Bannerman, Cameron and MacDonald only had LOTO experience
    Balfour was Leader of the Opposition in the House of Commons from 1892-95 and First Lord of the Treasury from 1895-1902.
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