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  • TazTaz Posts: 16,921
    edited July 2024

    Paging Big G!
    Depends how it's calculated of course. I wasn't, the last time I tried to do so..
    Does that not include the value of their pensions and properties ? In the case of DB the actuarial values. So it is a little misleading. Sure they could sell up but they still need somewhere to live and the pension has to last their life. For a DC pensions to make it last you should be drawing around 5% a year.

    A million in assets/pensions is not the same as having loads of disposable cash that is easy to access.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    The Athletic NYT - Canada loses Olympic drone-spying appeal as new FIFA details emerge ahead of must-win game

    The Court of Arbitration for Sport on Wednesday upheld a six-point Olympic tournament deduction for the Canadian women’s soccer team in a drone spying scandal, affirming FIFA’s choice to heavily limit the reigning gold medalist facing sharp questions about its tactics to engineer a repeat.

    The dismissal of Canada’s appeal came hours before the entire field, with 12 teams split among three divisions, was set to compete in the final games of group play, a decisive moment with four teams to be eliminated by the end of Wednesday night.

    It also came as FIFA released a full report of the findings that led to its decision to punish Canada for using a drone to watch New Zealand practice ahead of their Olympic opener. The report revealed a damning picture of Canada’s use of drones to surveil opposing training sessions.

    Emails from Bev Priestman, Canada’s coach who was sent home from the Olympics as national officials tried to shield players from fallout, mentioned regular spying in both men’s and women’s soccer, which Priestman described in one correspondence as something that “can be the difference between winning and losing.” . . .
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,773
    Last night the first time that God save the KING played at the pool for 100 years for the 4x200m freestylers. Interesting stat.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,138

    Kamala Harris seems perfectly nice, very smiley. I can't help but question though why given the opportunity of being VP to a waning President, she has failed to distinguish herself to the point of Biden being the preferred candidate until his deficiencies were so glaring they could no longer be denied.

    I expect readers to be familiar with "Wag the Dog"

    When the story of Kamala's victory is written, there will be people who claim that Biden's late departure was perfectly planned to rope a dope Trump into the wrong campaign with the wrong VP pick...
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,334
    Cookie said:

    I don't recall Sandpit flag waving for Trump?
    It's possible to be dubious about the merits of a candidate without supporting that candidates opponent. Especially in an election in which you don't have a vote.
    Are there any out and out Trump supporters on PB? I know @HYUFD is at least somewhat supportive, but even the much missed Plato wasn't entirely in his camp.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,608
    Cookie said:

    I don't recall Sandpit flag waving for Trump?
    It's possible to be dubious about the merits of a candidate without supporting that candidates opponent. Especially in an election in which you don't have a vote.
    He seems to be something of an enthusiast, but that's for him rather than me to confirm.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    Several people have pointed out that Trump's performance in the debate wasn't great either. He just wasn't as bad as Biden. He's clearly on the decline too.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,227
    GIN1138 said:

    To be fair there's not as many words that rhyme with Kamala but if anyone can do it, @Sunil_Prasannan can :D
    Whamala Bamala thank you Kamala?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,138
    @ProjectLincoln

    Newly surfaced audio: JD Vance on record bashing Trump's immigration policies and border wall.

    "I don't think if you build a great Mexican wall all of a sudden you all these steel mill jobs are going to come back to southern Ohio"

    https://x.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1818715753337770486
  • Omnium said:

    Charles Laughton was the name I was searching for.
    I thought you meant Charles Hawtrey.
  • Taz said:

    Does that not include the value of their pensions and properties ? In the case of DB the actuarial values. So it is a little misleading. Sure they could sell up but they still need somewhere to live and the pension has to last their life. For a DC pensions to make it last you should be drawing around 5% a year.

    A million in assets/pensions is not the same as having loads of disposable cash that is easy to access.
    DB pension. Multiply the gross annual amount by 20 to get the equivalent cash value.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,334
    edited July 2024

    I thought you meant Charles Hawtrey.
    Clearly that's who I was getting mixed up with, but Laughton was my reader of choice.

    Edit: No doubt @williamglenn has moved on though, so it's no longer of interest.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,288
    Cookie said:

    I don't recall Sandpit flag waving for Trump?
    It's possible to be dubious about the merits of a candidate without supporting that candidates opponent. Especially in an election in which you don't have a vote.
    Me either.
    But he is pretty conservative, and I think he underestimates Harris.
    It takes a bit more than an empty suit to pull off the sort of political mood shift we’ve seen in the last week.

    I certainly didn’t predict she pull it off.
    But the conventional wisdom was wrong, which is why it was possibly to carry on backing her at around 2.8, at the same time it was clear the polls were suggesting a tossup election.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,322
    Omnium said:

    Are there any out and out Trump supporters on PB? I know @HYUFD is at least somewhat supportive, but even the much missed Plato wasn't entirely in his camp.
    Hmmm. My reading of posts is that @HYUFD is not the slightest in his camp. I believe he has said he would vote democrat if in America. I'm sure he will put me right if I have that wrong. Plato on the other hand was hook, line and sinker a Trump fan.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,773
    Marchand is really, really special.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,709
    This is incredible. How stupid is the DWP system for carers.

    One of the people in this video has a kindly boss who sits down and tries to work out how she can continue working as a cleaner for the following week and not go over her carer working allowance. There's little bonuses to factor in etc.

    Mind bumbling complicated.

    Madness.

    These are people who actively want to work and yet everyday the press scream about millions doing nothing.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/video/2024/jul/30/im-under-attack-and-fighting-back-the-scandal-trapping-carers-video?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign&utm_content=ap_ayegtw80qn
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Seattle Times - X suspends ‘White Dudes for Harris’ account after massive fundraiser

    Elon Musk’s social media platform X suspended “White Dudes for Harris” Monday night, shortly after a massive fundraising call where almost 200,000 people helped raise more than $4 million for the vice president and presumptive Democratic nominee.

    The account, @dudes4harris, was reinstated Tuesday morning after it was blocked hours before because of “a user report” for “violating our rules against evading suspension,” according to a screenshot shared with The Washington Post. Organizer Ross Morales Rocketto said the group submitted a complaint to X, but had no other direct communication from the platform. . . .

    The suspension on X, which occurred as the group and its allies were posting heavily about the event after it ended, reflects broader concerns among Democrats that the platform, which Musk bought in 2022, could be used to influence the online discourse in the months leading to the presidential election.

    SSI - With reference to last para above - that's one way of putting it!
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,334
    kjh said:

    Hmmm. My reading of posts is that @HYUFD is not the slightest in his camp. I believe he has said he would vote democrat if in America. I'm sure he will put me right if I have that wrong. Plato on the other hand was hook, line and sinker a Trump fan.
    Completely apologise to @HYUFD if I've misrepresented him.

  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,538

    DB pension. Multiply the gross annual amount by 20 to get the equivalent cash value.
    Any pensioner calculating his net worth shouldn't overlook his teeth. I was informed today that I may need two implants which, of course, causes me to gnash them even harder.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,031
    GIN1138 said:

    Wonder if Huw had a his house raided at any point (presumably he did?) BBC didn't put a helicopter up over his house!
    "Lessons have been learnt...."
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,690
    Can someone explain to me why the plod are asking for more time to question the child killer? Why haven't they charged him with murder yet? Why does it feel as though they're dragging this out, there's a dozen eye witnesses and they actually caught him at the scene of the crime with the murder weapon in his hands.

    What more do they need to know from questioning him, or is it that if they charge him there's a high chance that a judge may waive anonymity and there's political pressure to drag this out?
  • kjh said:

    Hmmm. My reading of posts is that @HYUFD is not the slightest in his camp. I believe he has said he would vote democrat if in America. I'm sure he will put me right if I have that wrong. Plato on the other hand was hook, line and sinker a Trump fan.
    HYUFD said when Biden pulled out that he'd vote Trump over the "woke" Kamala.

    Not sure if he stands by that still.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,709
    edited July 2024
    At the end of the video i posted a bit ago. One of the women wins a tribunal and the judge says her wages should be averaged for carers allowance over a four week cycle.

    The fucking DWP appeal!!!!

    Talk about productivity in the public sector.

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,455
    Scott_xP said:

    @ProjectLincoln

    Newly surfaced audio: JD Vance on record bashing Trump's immigration policies and border wall.

    "I don't think if you build a great Mexican wall all of a sudden you all these steel mill jobs are going to come back to southern Ohio"

    https://x.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1818715753337770486

    He should have couched his language a bit better, if his heart was settee on higher office.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,773
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,953
    Omnium said:

    Are there any out and out Trump supporters on PB? I know @HYUFD is at least somewhat supportive, but even the much missed Plato wasn't entirely in his camp.
    Leon (and his many aliases).

    While Leon can be a pain in the ass, and sometimes express *difficult* views, he's valid as a poster here because he espouses a kind of alt-right viewpoint most of us don't share but that is fairly common outside of PB. He was the only remotely reform-curious poster on this site during the GE despite them polling approx 1/5 of the population at one point. So I think from a betting standpoint it's wise to have those views in the mix.

    I aslo realise his views piss a lot of people off, like Farooq, who is a pretty intelligent guy, and I would rather he came back.

    The best way to disprove some of Leon's more Taki-esque points is to engage in thoughtful and rational debate and to force those ideas into the crucible. Banning him, or flouncing because you don't want to engage with him, is a bit of a cop out.

    I find myself in vehement agreement with Leon 50% of the time and equally as opposed to him the other half.
  • MaxPB said:

    Can someone explain to me why the plod are asking for more time to question the child killer? Why haven't they charged him with murder yet? Why does it feel as though they're dragging this out, there's a dozen eye witnesses and they actually caught him at the scene of the crime with the murder weapon in his hands.

    What more do they need to know from questioning him, or is it that if they charge him there's a high chance that a judge may waive anonymity and there's political pressure to drag this out?

    Part 1 - I believe its relatively standard practice for the Police to maintain suspects pre-charge custodial time for as long as they can as once they charge then they need all the evidence etc lined up already so better to dot every i and cross every t now.

    This is part of the reason why Blair's desired extensions to detention without charge were wrong as well as being totally illiberal.

    Part 2 - No, definitely not. AFAIK anonymity is only waived post-conviction (see the killers of Brianna Ghey for comparison) so short of an early guilty plea that's not happening for another year or more given delays to our courts combined with how long murder trials take.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,709
    Foxy said:

    He should have couched his language a bit better, if his heart was settee on higher office.
    Did Trump use the same vetting company as Tice and Farage for Reform candidates?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,709

    ALASTAIR CAMPBELL
    @campbellclaret
    ·
    35m
    If you want to see a big orange white man digging himself into a big black hole switch to
    @CNN
    now. Trump at the convention for black journalists. What an utterly disgusting human being. Methinks
    @KamalaHarris
    is really getting to him
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    MaxPB said:

    Can someone explain to me why the plod are asking for more time to question the child killer? Why haven't they charged him with murder yet? Why does it feel as though they're dragging this out, there's a dozen eye witnesses and they actually caught him at the scene of the crime with the murder weapon in his hands.

    What more do they need to know from questioning him, or is it that if they charge him there's a high chance that a judge may waive anonymity and there's political pressure to drag this out?

    I don't know and after last night's events I wonder if we would be better to avoid speculation about it all for now. I do think Merseyside Police may not have helped themselves by being so coy thus far.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,773

    Part 1 - I believe its relatively standard practice for the Police to maintain suspects pre-charge custodial time for as long as they can as once they charge then they need all the evidence etc lined up already so better to dot every i and cross every t now.

    This is part of the reason why Blair's desired extensions to detention without charge were wrong as well as being totally illiberal.

    Part 2 - No, definitely not. AFAIK anonymity is only waived post-conviction (see the killers of Brianna Ghey for comparison) so short of an early guilty plea that's not happening for another year or more given delays to our courts combined with how long murder trials take.
    Whilst I agree with point 1 I also think that the priority for the police is to find out if anyone else has helped set this up or facilitated what has happened. Once he is charged their ability to speak to him and explore that is more limited.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,756


    ALASTAIR CAMPBELL
    @campbellclaret
    ·
    35m
    If you want to see a big orange white man digging himself into a big black hole switch to
    @CNN
    now. Trump at the convention for black journalists. What an utterly disgusting human being. Methinks
    @KamalaHarris
    is really getting to him

    What an utterly disgusting human being.

    ooh the irony
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,497
    Roger said:

    I was sitting in an outside restaurant in Villefranche with a girl and an American guitar player started playing for us. The guitar player said to my friend 'Do you like Bono?'. 'Yes' she said 'Your bottom is in the exact same place his was last night'. 'Really' she said ' I'll never wipe it again'
    Evidence you know people who have shit for brains?
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,855

    Part 1 - I believe its relatively standard practice for the Police to maintain suspects pre-charge custodial time for as long as they can as once they charge then they need all the evidence etc lined up already so better to dot every i and cross every t now.

    This is part of the reason why Blair's desired extensions to detention without charge were wrong as well as being totally illiberal.

    Part 2 - No, definitely not. AFAIK anonymity is only waived post-conviction (see the killers of Brianna Ghey for comparison) so short of an early guilty plea that's not happening for another year or more given delays to our courts combined with how long murder trials take.
    As a purely theoretical question, what happens if he turns 18 this month?

    Does that mean he can then be named, or does it depend on his age when the crime occurred?

    I guess if he is charged that will render this irrelevant.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,497

    As a purely theoretical question, what happens if he turns 18 this month?

    Does that mean he can then be named, or does it depend on his age when the crime occurred?

    I guess if he is charged that will render this irrelevant.
    It depends on the age when the offence was committed
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,401

    What an utterly disgusting human being.

    ooh the irony
    Campbell's re-invention as doyen of centrist commentators demonstates that, sadly, shamelessness is one of the most powerful forces on the planet.
  • DavidL said:

    Whilst I agree with point 1 I also think that the priority for the police is to find out if anyone else has helped set this up or facilitated what has happened. Once he is charged their ability to speak to him and explore that is more limited.
    That's an excellent point, well made.
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,921

    What an utterly disgusting human being.

    ooh the irony
    Pot comments on kettle.
  • I see things are a bit lively in whitehall this evening.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,079
    DavidL said:
    Thing is, it didn't used to piss everyone off. Enough people were enjoyed it, or were prepared to put up with it, for it to be a viable strategy. Shithousing HRC worked. And it came close to working against Biden.

    Something is different now. A lot of that must be Trump's age; the art of spite is to do it with enough elegance that it doesn't get spotted until it's too late. Think Maradona's Hand of God. Trump is now a bit too old, a bit to clunky to get away with it. Plus, he's been doing it for a decade. We have all seen the movie, we know where to look if we want to look. (Plenty don't want to look, of course.)

    It helps that Harris seems to have a strong Trump immunity field around her. Must send him potty.

    (Something similar happened to Johnson, though that was more an ageing comedian taking his catchphrases out for one tour too many. Whatever his talents in 2019, he isn't the solution to the Conservative's problems now.)
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,138
    Regrets, I've had a few...

    @KamalaHQ
    Q: Is JD Vance ready on day one?

    Trump: What?

    Q: Is he ready on day one?

    Trump: Well, the Vice President does not have any impact
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,921
    carnforth said:

    Campbell's re-invention as doyen of centrist commentators demonstates that, sadly, shamelessness is one of the most powerful forces on the planet.
    Truss seems to be trying to do the same as a right wing commentator.

    Campbell is such a dick, on his centrist Dad podcast he was criticising the sentences passed down on the ‘whole truth five’ and when called out admitted he’d not even bothered with the judges sentencing notes.
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,921

    I see things are a bit lively in whitehall this evening.

    Hopefully it will piss down tomorrow evening and nip any more protests in the bud. Last thing we need is an escalation.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,079

    I don't know and after last night's events I wonder if we would be better to avoid speculation about it all for now. I do think Merseyside Police may not have helped themselves by being so coy thus far.
    In the medium term, it will all come out, whatever "it" is. If the public being told stuff sooner puts the right outcome at any sort of risk at all, I'd prefer right to soon.

    It's not human nature, and 21st century media really goes against that attitude, but it's got to be the right thing to do.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,497
    Taz said:

    Hopefully it will piss down tomorrow evening and nip any more protests in the bud. Last thing we need is an escalation.
    Protests are good according to the guardian
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,921
    Pagan2 said:

    Protests are good according to the guardian
    As long as they agree with the protesters, of course.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,497
    Taz said:

    As long as they agree with the protesters, of course.
    Well naturally its the nature of the guardian....things we agree with are good etc....same as the mail or the telegraph etc
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,138
    Did they really just pull Trump off stage half way through?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,867
    Omnium said:

    Completely apologise to @HYUFD if I've misrepresented him.

    I don’t think Hyufd is pro-Trump.

    What he definitely is, is anti-Harris.

    Why, I’m not sure.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,221
    ydoethur said:

    I don’t think Hyufd is pro-Trump.

    What he definitely is, is anti-Harris.

    Why, I’m not sure.
    Kamala Harris supported the Duchess of Sussex in the royal racism scandal.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,504

    Who needs a freaking helicopter, when a fricking drone is way cheaper and more effective?

    Just ask the Canadian Olympic soccer team! (Or maybe don't?)
    The news organisations lost their enthusiasm for doorstepping/helicoptering people when the Cliff Richard disaster happened.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,855
    Pagan2 said:

    It depends on the age when the offence was committed
    Thanks.

    I guess stopping the rumour mills won't matter in a week or so as the mob will have moved on.

    Leaving the victims to carry on dealing with the aftermath for, well, another 80 years or so.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,455
    Scott_xP said:

    Did they really just pull Trump off stage half way through?

    It seems so.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    algarkirk said:

    Hudgely underrated cathedral because the town isn't great these days, and the cathedral precincts are less than optimal. But original burial place of Mary QoS, and Katherine of Aragon. Brilliant ceiling. Closely linked too to the slight mystery of Archdeacon Wakeford and a lady who was not his wife, beautifully written up by John Treherne in 'Dangerous Precincts', one of very few books to mention Algarkirk on the first page.
    Thanks; have put that down for the Abebooks list.

  • Foxy said:

    It seems so.
    What's happened? Don't see anything on the news and Google just brings up stuff about the shooting weeks ago.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,644
    Steve Rotherham is by some way the least impressive of the metro mayors. (Apart from Khan, obviously.)
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/31/liverpool-mayor-southport-suspect-religion-irrelevant/
  • Cookie said:

    Steve Rotherham is by some way the least impressive of the metro mayors. (Apart from Khan, obviously.)
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/31/liverpool-mayor-southport-suspect-religion-irrelevant/

    Mr Rotheram said: “Let’s be absolutely brutal and honest – what are those questions that remain unanswered?

    “Well, the name of the individual. That’s because of legal reasons, that person’s 17. The one that social media wants to find out is the religion of that person. So you have to ask yourself the question ‘why would anybody want to know the religion of the perpetrator of this vicious and heinous crime?’

    “And it’s to do with exactly what we just talked about earlier, which is to stir up more tension in this community.”


    He's 100% correct.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,130

    What an utterly disgusting human being.

    ooh the irony
    What's happened to the funny guy who spent his days on Oxford Road at Haze of Dope (AKA Days of Hope) lolling around with some of the best funny men ever to come out of the UK? You sound strangely bitter at the moment......
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,334
    ydoethur said:

    I don’t think Hyufd is pro-Trump.

    What he definitely is, is anti-Harris.

    Why, I’m not sure.
    Which bit of "Completely apologise to @HYUFD if I've misrepresented him." wasn't clear?
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,219
    edited July 2024
    Just seen Trump’s “is Harris Indian or black” comments.

    Boy, he really doesn’t know how to deal with her does he?

    He’s on the back foot and it’s showing.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,690

    Mr Rotheram said: “Let’s be absolutely brutal and honest – what are those questions that remain unanswered?

    “Well, the name of the individual. That’s because of legal reasons, that person’s 17. The one that social media wants to find out is the religion of that person. So you have to ask yourself the question ‘why would anybody want to know the religion of the perpetrator of this vicious and heinous crime?’

    “And it’s to do with exactly what we just talked about earlier, which is to stir up more tension in this community.”


    He's 100% correct.
    Religion may be a big factor here, we know Muslim men have got problems with women and infidels etc...

    To say it's "irrelevant" isn't the truth. It may be irrelevant, it may not be.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,495
    Foxy said:

    It seems so.
    Context?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,455

    What's happened? Don't see anything on the news and Google just brings up stuff about the shooting weeks ago.
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1818721449059692702?t=M0O1Xi2SW--Dd9dams6fYA&s=19

    He has been tweeting bits of the interview.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,690
    Taz said:

    Hopefully it will piss down tomorrow evening and nip any more protests in the bud. Last thing we need is an escalation.
    No we don't need an escalation, we do need for the people to send a message to the government and police that this is unacceptable and the seemingly blasé nature of the PM in dealing with the fallout of the murders and subsequent anger from him against the idiot rioters is only going to make people more angry. His priorities are clear from where they're standing - he's siding with the child murderer because they think the child murderer is an immigrant Muslim (with no evidence, of course).
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,838
    Foxy said:

    It seems so.
    Does the Republican Party have an equivalent to the 25th Amendment for its presidential nominees?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    edited July 2024

    The Great Fen Project is quite interesting too.
    https://www.greatfen.org.uk/

    Includes the UK's lowest point (in the fields near Holme Fen) and Woodwalton Fen, one of the first nature reserves.

    Though Peterborough itself isn't great, cathedral or not.

    Ooh, that reminds me of something I learnt about at school - the Posts to show the fen shrinkage.

    https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/holme-fen-posts

    I never did get to see them. What with this and @algarkirk 's post I'm thinking it is time to have a trip to Peterborough again. In my younger days I went on a coupe of excursions to the claypits - quite something - not just the fossils but the sheer size and the excavators and conveyor belts. I imagine they are all filled in with London rubbish now.

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,504

    DB pension. Multiply the gross annual amount by 20 to get the equivalent cash value.
    Which is why some people say that the state pension is an asset worth £230k to the individual.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,130
    OT.....Of nothing in particular: isn't La Marseilaise a wonderful National Anthem? It always reminds me of Casablanca.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,138
    @PippaCrerar

    EXCL: Kemi Badenoch asked officials to pay for holiday flight to United States with taxpayers’ money while in government but was rebuffed by former department’s top civil servant 👇🏼

    https://x.com/PippaCrerar/status/1818734191023911185
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,867
    Omnium said:

    Which bit of "Completely apologise to @HYUFD if I've misrepresented him." wasn't clear?
    It was clear.

    I was just elaborating on what his position seems to be.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,867
    Foxy said:

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1818721449059692702?t=M0O1Xi2SW--Dd9dams6fYA&s=19

    He has been tweeting bits of the interview.
    Did Trump make all those crazy remarks on race and gender in an interview conducted by an African American woman?

    If so, he's even more doolally than I thought.

    No wonder his team were frantic to get him out of there.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,495
    Carnyx said:

    Ooh, that reminds me of something I learnt about at school - the Posts to show the fen shrinkage.

    https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/holme-fen-posts

    I never did get to see them. What with this and @algarkirk 's post I'm thinking it is time to have a trip to Peterborough again. In my younger days I went on a coupe of excursions to the claypits - quite something - not just the fossils but the sheer size and the excavators and conveyor belts. I imagine they are all filled in with London rubbish now.

    Somewhat ironically, I get this when I try to visit https://www.greatfen.org.uk/


  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,504
    MaxPB said:

    Can someone explain to me why the plod are asking for more time to question the child killer? Why haven't they charged him with murder yet? Why does it feel as though they're dragging this out, there's a dozen eye witnesses and they actually caught him at the scene of the crime with the murder weapon in his hands.

    What more do they need to know from questioning him, or is it that if they charge him there's a high chance that a judge may waive anonymity and there's political pressure to drag this out?

    Because of the layers of legal cruft that have been added over the years, arresting people and charging them don’t mean exactly what they sound like.

    In particular various legal rights come into play.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,507
    MaxPB said:

    Religion may be a big factor here, we know Muslim men have got problems with women and infidels etc...

    To say it's "irrelevant" isn't the truth. It may be irrelevant, it may not be.
    BBC News - Did social media fan the flames of riot in Southport?
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd1e8d7llg9o

    "That he appears to have no known links to Islam"

    But it still might be relevant?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,644
    Roger said:

    OT.....Of nothing in particular: isn't La Marseilaise a wonderful National Anthem? It always reminds me of Casablanca.

    Best one, I'd say.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,982
    edited July 2024
    Scott_xP said:

    @PippaCrerar

    EXCL: Kemi Badenoch asked officials to pay for holiday flight to United States with taxpayers’ money while in government but was rebuffed by former department’s top civil servant 👇🏼

    https://x.com/PippaCrerar/status/1818734191023911185

    The Guardian really have a thing about Kemi. It feels a bit like the not the right type of non-white person, so gets even more incoming.

    "Badenoch had travelled to Mexico for an official visit to discuss the UK’s bid to join the CPTPP Indo-Pacific trade bloc, of which Mexico was a founding member, as well as bilateral trade with the country. Her business class flight there was covered by her department.

    But before travelling, she asked the office of DBT permanent secretary, Gareth Davies, whether the department would pick up the bill for a flight to Dallas, where she was holidaying with her family, as the overall cost was lower than a business class return from Mexico."

    Hardly paying for your husband dirty movies on the tax payer or even asking if moat cleaning is included as necessary expense.

    When I was in academia, we used to be allowed to do this kind of thing, if you were going to a conference anyway, if it was cheaper or no more money, you could still expense a multi-hop journey.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,010
    Sea of Yorkshire flags up in Tickhill !
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,204
    On lotteries, FWIW: Years ago, I saw an analysis in, if I recall correctly, Slate, that showed that tickets to those US lotteries that accumulate prizes could have positive expected values. The math is too tricky for me to do in my head -- and depends on whether you live in a state with an income tax, but the logic is simple enough: For example, If the prize accumulates to a billion dollars, and fewer than 300 million tickets are sold, then it is likely that the expected value of any ticket is positive, even after taxes.

    (You also have to calculate the chances that one or more other people will pick the same number you did, in which case the prize would be divided.)
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,497
    Foxy said:

    Non violent protesters are good. Throwing bricks at police and places of worship are not.

    It really isn't difficult to understand.
    Define non violennt protestors. I suspect your view is people who throws bricks or firebombs at police. I agree that is violent protest. However I also class someone who cuts a poor families income by 20% because they couldn't get to work as violent protest...I suspect you dismiss that as invcovience and non violent
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,221
    Pulpstar said:

    Sea of Yorkshire flags up in Tickhill !

    Yorkshire Day tomorrow!
  • MaxPB said:

    No we don't need an escalation, we do need for the people to send a message to the government and police that this is unacceptable and the seemingly blasé nature of the PM in dealing with the fallout of the murders and subsequent anger from him against the idiot rioters is only going to make people more angry. His priorities are clear from where they're standing - he's siding with the child murderer because they think the child murderer is an immigrant Muslim (with no evidence, of course).
    Sorry but no, everyone decent should be standing with law and order here.

    Which is against the murder, in favour of the Police being given space to do their job, in favour of the law being maintained about protecting the identity of under 18 suspects (see the cutting down every law to get to the devil quote) and against the trouble-makers who are trying to abuse this incident to instil even more violence.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    Did Trump use the same vetting company as Tice and Farage for Reform candidates?
    He used his own pride & joy - Donald J. Trump, Jr.

    Who was even more gormless & clueless than per usual.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,079
    Scott_xP said:

    @PippaCrerar

    EXCL: Kemi Badenoch asked officials to pay for holiday flight to United States with taxpayers’ money while in government but was rebuffed by former department’s top civil servant 👇🏼

    https://x.com/PippaCrerar/status/1818734191023911185

    Oh dear. Has KB fallen for the "ignore the possibility that the journalist will have a second story" trick?

    That's as old as Donald Trump sounds.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,497

    Sorry but no, everyone decent should be standing with law and order here.

    Which is against the murder, in favour of the Police being given space to do their job, in favour of the law being maintained about protecting the identity of under 18 suspects (see the cutting down every law to get to the devil quote) and against the trouble-makers who are trying to abuse this incident to instil even more violence.
    When the police start upholding the law let us know and we will give them space
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,219

    The Guardian really have a thing about Kemi. It feels a bit like the not the right type of non-white person, so gets even more incoming.

    "Badenoch had travelled to Mexico for an official visit to discuss the UK’s bid to join the CPTPP Indo-Pacific trade bloc, of which Mexico was a founding member, as well as bilateral trade with the country. Her business class flight there was covered by her department.

    But before travelling, she asked the office of DBT permanent secretary, Gareth Davies, whether the department would pick up the bill for a flight to Dallas, where she was holidaying with her family, as the overall cost was lower than a business class return from Mexico."

    Hardly paying for your husband dirty movies on the tax payer or even asking if moat cleaning is included as necessary expense.

    When I was in academia, we used to be allowed to do this kind of thing, if you were going to a conference anyway, if it was cheaper or no more money, you could still expense a multi-hop journey.
    Minister asks if she is permitted to expense something.

    Minister is told no.

    Minister doesn’t expense the thing.

    Big deal.

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,455
    Pagan2 said:

    Define non violennt protestors. I suspect your view is people who throws bricks or firebombs at police. I agree that is violent protest. However I also class someone who cuts a poor families income by 20% because they couldn't get to work as violent protest...I suspect you dismiss that as invcovience and non violent
    Er no. As usual your fantasy about my views is completely delusional.
  • MaxPB said:

    Religion may be a big factor here, we know Muslim men have got problems with women and infidels etc...

    To say it's "irrelevant" isn't the truth. It may be irrelevant, it may not be.
    Its irrelevant for the vigilantes causing violence to find it out before it goes to trial.

    If its a factor its relevant for the Police and the courts to do their job.

    What almost certainly is relevant more than religion is sex. Girls and women being attacked by a man. But all some people want is to spark a race war.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,888
    Carnyx said:

    Ooh, that reminds me of something I learnt about at school - the Posts to show the fen shrinkage.

    https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/holme-fen-posts

    I never did get to see them. What with this and @algarkirk 's post I'm thinking it is time to have a trip to Peterborough again. In my younger days I went on a coupe of excursions to the claypits - quite something - not just the fossils but the sheer size and the excavators and conveyor belts. I imagine they are all filled in with London rubbish now.

    I've been to the Holme Fen posts a couple of times - I've never taken my son there though, despite often zooming up and down the A1(M) near them. They're quite impressive, in an understated manner.

    I think the clay pits have changed a fair bit - there are far fewer chimneys then there used to be.

    Oh, and I can also recommend, in a way, a visit to Flag Fen to see the Bronze Age walkway.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,982
    edited July 2024

    Minister asks if she is permitted to expense something.

    Minister is told no.

    Minister doesn’t expense the thing.

    Big deal.

    Well minister asks can expense something that will save the taxpayer money and works for own personal schedule...what an absolute non-scandal. It Daily Mirror level stuff, and up there with outrage that PM takes private plane to international event.

    And I say that as somebody does have that much time for Kemi.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,497
    Foxy said:

    Er no. As usual your fantasy about my views is completely delusional.
    Did you not like most left wingers complain about the jso sentences....pretty sure you did
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 852
    MaxPB said:

    Religion may be a big factor here, we know Muslim men have got problems with women and infidels etc...

    To say it's "irrelevant" isn't the truth. It may be irrelevant, it may not be.
    Misogyny is a feature of almost all religions particularly the more traditional or extreme sects for example US Christians, Catholicism, orthodox Christianity and Judaism. The likelihood is this will have been an unhappy, maladjusted male teen with mental illness just as it is in most school attacks.
    The only reason that there are calls to know his religion is so that those people have an excuse to violently attack innocent people/institutions.
  • Pagan2 said:

    When the police start upholding the law let us know and we will give them space
    A suspect is in custody.

    So they've started.

    The wheels are in motion.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,495

    Yorkshire Day tomorrow!
    Every day is Yorkshire Day!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,455
    Pagan2 said:

    When the police start upholding the law let us know and we will give them space
    For example by arresting and questioning the knife attack suspect?
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