Biden withdraws from the 2024 White House race – politicalbetting.com
NEW: JOE BIDEN WILL NOT CONTEST THE 2024 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. https://t.co/I6odRCWIwb
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I think I can fairly take the credit for this.Benpointer said:
Biden's exit is becoming the fusion power generation of politics - always just around the corner.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Perhaps possible, that Joe Biden will not withdraw from 2024 POTUS race, until AFTER Bibi Netanyahu addresses joint session of Congress on Wednesday.Scott_xP said:@lucyprebblish
What if Biden keeps forgetting he’s agreed to step down
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Grrr, you will be on the naughty step if we end up Hillary Clinton, Michelle Obama, or Gavin Newsom as the Dem nominee or President next January.Benpointer said:
I think I can fairly take the credit for this.Benpointer said:
Biden's exit is becoming the fusion power generation of politics - always just around the corner.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Perhaps possible, that Joe Biden will not withdraw from 2024 POTUS race, until AFTER Bibi Netanyahu addresses joint session of Congress on Wednesday.Scott_xP said:@lucyprebblish
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Total Pelosi victory.
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Harris 1.41
Michelle 14
Newsom 16
Whitmer 16
Hillary 17
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A month too late.1
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No, I think he made the decision for himself.Benpointer said:
I think I can fairly take the credit for this.Benpointer said:
Biden's exit is becoming the fusion power generation of politics - always just around the corner.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Perhaps possible, that Joe Biden will not withdraw from 2024 POTUS race, until AFTER Bibi Netanyahu addresses joint session of Congress on Wednesday.Scott_xP said:@lucyprebblish
What if Biden keeps forgetting he’s agreed to step down
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Start rewatching the last season of The West Wing. First convention to actually choose a candidate in how long?0
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None of those - Whitmer, I reckon.TheScreamingEagles said:
Grrr, you will be on the naughty step if we end up Hillary Clinton, Michelle Obama, or Gavin Newsom as the Dem nominee or President next January.Benpointer said:
I think I can fairly take the credit for this.Benpointer said:
Biden's exit is becoming the fusion power generation of politics - always just around the corner.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Perhaps possible, that Joe Biden will not withdraw from 2024 POTUS race, until AFTER Bibi Netanyahu addresses joint session of Congress on Wednesday.Scott_xP said:@lucyprebblish
What if Biden keeps forgetting he’s agreed to step down
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Trump is so stuffed.0
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I’d be very surprised.TheScreamingEagles said:
Grrr, you will be on the naughty step if we end up Hillary Clinton, Michelle Obama, or Gavin Newsom as the Dem nominee or President next January.Benpointer said:
I think I can fairly take the credit for this.Benpointer said:
Biden's exit is becoming the fusion power generation of politics - always just around the corner.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Perhaps possible, that Joe Biden will not withdraw from 2024 POTUS race, until AFTER Bibi Netanyahu addresses joint session of Congress on Wednesday.Scott_xP said:@lucyprebblish
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Inevitable0
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No stepping down from POTUS, no endorsement of Harris. "Over to you Pelosi you sort this shitshow out "1
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I'm not sure. A month ago and Trump would've got the initiative back by surviving the assassination attempt. Now that's all going to be old news.FrancisUrquhart said:A month too late.
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Thank goodness, at last. I think its too late for anyone but Harris. It would have been different if he had stood down last year but right now the Democrats need to get behind a single candidate really fast and it has to be someone who has to be already known. Too late for the governors or even Buttigieg although I would want him on the ticket. He is just too good to waste.0
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Clearly Joe Biden is NOT receiving spiritual-psephological guidance from The Vicar.
Key to this decision was NOT likes of Barack Obama or Nancy Pelosi or etc. etc. etc.
Instead, Jill Biden.2 -
Biden does the right thing and bows out with still a lot of love and respect from Dems .
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I believe Newsom has many many skeletons which will be dragged out by Trump and co and negate a lot of attacks on Trump. Whitmer would be sensible option but Harris has as close to incumbency as possible so she will be favourite.MikeL said:Harris 1.41
Michelle 14
Newsom 16
Whitmer 16
Hillary 17
Very close if not Harris.
He’s not known as Gruesome Newsom for no reason. Michelle not interested and really would be taking one for the world if she steps up, and Hilary is toxic.1 -
This is the best election ever
One candidate has been shot and the other has pulled out before it's even started
There's surely huge intrigue and interest to come
The Dem nomination for starters..2 -
I'm not in this market
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Anticipating the tears ... hopefully of Chump.0 -
JESUS EFFING FLIP! I GO AWAY FOR A FEW HOURS (I did some DIY. It's a bit wobbly) AND THIS BLOODY HAPPENS. IT'S YOUR FAULT PB! BAD YOU! 2
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Goodness me.0
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1968? (The Dems went on to lose. the winner in 1968 was Richard Nixon. So that's reassuringMalmesbury said:Start rewatching the last season of The West Wing. First convention to actually choose a candidate in how long?
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An un-presidented development.0
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Reasonable timing I think. If the Dems get this right they could be entering election time with a bit of a new leader honeymoon. But then again they may crash further.
Come on Democrats. We need the next few months to be the American “deuxième tour”. Choose someone half decent. Choose Mayor Pete.0 -
All I need for all my lays to come in is for the Dems to find someone who can beat Trump. Saving the civilised world at the same time would be a bonus.1
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Biden is cracking value at 10003
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Well it’s redeemed my very exposed book.BlancheLivermore said:This is the best election ever
One candidate has been shot and the other has pulled out before it's even started
There's surely huge intrigue and interest to come
The Dem nomination for starters..
If he’d stayed, it would have cost me.1 -
No he isn't. He's quite to the right on abortion compared to the Dem baseNigelb said:
“I will speak to the nation later this week.”Pulpstar said:No stepping down from POTUS, no endorsement of Harris. "Over to you Pelosi you sort this shitshow out "
The VP market is very interesting.
Is Shapiro really a shoe in ?0 -
Newsom is very slimy , Michelle doesn’t want to know , Hillary , no chance and Whitmer would be a great pick but I think it will be Harris .1
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FUUUCK! FUUCK! FUUCK! All the model predictions are dead! This is really going to screw things up!2
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The failure to endorse Harris shows that Pelosi has got her way on a contested convention, so that's moot.Nigelb said:
“I will speak to the nation later this week.”Pulpstar said:No stepping down from POTUS, no endorsement of Harris. "Over to you Pelosi you sort this shitshow out "
The VP market is very interesting.
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Jeez, did you have to do that? I was feeling quite cheered by Biden's announcement.viewcode said:
1968? (The Dems went on to lose. the winner in 1968 was Richard Nixon. So that's reassuring)Malmesbury said:Start rewatching the last season of The West Wing. First convention to actually choose a candidate in how long?
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Well well well. PBers got it right again, more so than other places. We said on Friday night he'd be gone as candidate within 72 hours.1
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Is that the latest Tussauds set piece?williamglenn said:Total Pelosi victory.
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Who says debates don't matter, folks?5
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Thank God.0
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More than 10 comments? Tim to go OT:
There's a lot of recent architecture around Cathedrals - what do we think are good (and "good") examples?WhisperingOracle said:
Where is this?Leon said:Today’s photo
A rare example of very old being slightly enhanced - to my mind - by very new
Looks interesting.0 -
Pelosi is still a master strategist.0
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At least the Dems now have a chance in November
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A rare foray onto this forum. I hope everyone is well. I think particularly of my friends @Big_G_NorthWales and @OldKingCole and respective spouses.
3.5 years ago I placed a bet on an outsider Democrat to be the 2024 nominee and winner. Nice odds
I’m not going to say who because I don’t want to jinx things but even now there are some stunning odds on various candidates if you move fast.
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Agree with most of above, though just how "gruesome" is Newsom is highly debatable, my guess is WAY less than you think.boulay said:
I believe Newsom has many many skeletons which will be dragged out by Trump and co and negate a lot of attacks on Trump. Whitmer would be sensible option but Harris has as close to incumbency as possible so she will be favourite.MikeL said:Harris 1.41
Michelle 14
Newsom 16
Whitmer 16
Hillary 17
Very close if not Harris.
He’s not known as Gruesome Newsom for no reason. Michelle not interested and really would be taking one for the world if she steps up, and Hilary is toxic.
As for Gretchen Whitmer, reckon she's make a VERY good Vice Presidential nominee. Past denials of interest not worth much AFTER the Biden announcement.
Josh Shapiro also in the frame, and is also attractive prospect IMHO.1 -
Yes!! My book is transformed and so are the prospects of stopping Donald Trump.
As per 26th May 1989 ... (sorry TSE)
"It's up for grabs now".0 -
But clear from that letter that he won't resign immediately as president in favour of Harris, as speculated previously.0
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Commiserations to those whose betting books have been adversely affected by this decision. (Genuinely, not being sarcastic).1
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Giving her WAY to much credit (or blame depending on viewpoint) methinks.Nunu5 said:Pelosi is still a master strategist.
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He should have made this announcement at his inauguration.
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Imagine, for a moment, if neither Trump nor Biden had made it to the vote. We were within six inches.BlancheLivermore said:This is the best election ever
One candidate has been shot and the other has pulled out before it's even started
There's surely huge intrigue and interest to come
The Dem nomination for starters..
Just a reminder too that Trump is no spring chicken. Trump will be older than Biden is now by the end of term in January 2029
If the Dems are sensible they might well show up his age to their advantage.
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He did it too late, but now there is a chance for the Democrats.
Fascinatingly, he has not endorsed or hinted at an alternative candidate. I assumed he would tell his delegates to back Harris. If he does not - wow; it could be a rollercoaster few weeks.0 -
BIDEN ENDORSES HARRIS
"Joe Biden
@JoeBiden
My fellow Democrats, I have decided not to accept the nomination and to focus all my energies on my duties as President for the remainder of my term. My very first decision as the party nominee in 2020 was to pick Kamala Harris as my Vice President. And it’s been the best decision I’ve made. Today I want to offer my full support and endorsement for Kamala to be the nominee of our party this year. Democrats — it’s time to come together and beat Trump. Let’s do this."
https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1815087772216303933
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It think Sen. Manchin calling on him to step down was the final straw.0
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Biden has endorsed Kamala.1
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It's TSE.viewcode said:JESUS EFFING FLIP! I GO AWAY FOR A FEW HOURS (I did some DIY. It's a bit wobbly) AND THIS BLOODY HAPPENS. IT'S YOUR FAULT PB! BAD YOU!
He's been behind every world crisis since he started editing the Site.1 -
Sighs of relief in Kyiv, I'm sure
Moscow not so chipper0 -
I'm in the money!!! Ker-fucking-chin!!!!!
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Joe Biden
@JoeBiden
My fellow Democrats, I have decided not to accept the nomination and to focus all my energies on my duties as President for the remainder of my term. My very first decision as the party nominee in 2020 was to pick Kamala Harris as my Vice President. And it’s been the best decision I’ve made. Today I want to offer my full support and endorsement for Kamala to be the nominee of our party this year. Democrats — it’s time to come together and beat Trump. Let’s do this.1 -
I understand Newsom has had a lively past which I personally wouldn’t care about but it’s something that could be weaponised against him if he is attacking Trump for being less than pure. The dems need competence mixed with being clean.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Agree with most of above, though just how "gruesome" is Newsom is highly debatable, my guess is WAY less than you think.boulay said:
I believe Newsom has many many skeletons which will be dragged out by Trump and co and negate a lot of attacks on Trump. Whitmer would be sensible option but Harris has as close to incumbency as possible so she will be favourite.MikeL said:Harris 1.41
Michelle 14
Newsom 16
Whitmer 16
Hillary 17
Very close if not Harris.
He’s not known as Gruesome Newsom for no reason. Michelle not interested and really would be taking one for the world if she steps up, and Hilary is toxic.
As for Gretchen Whitmer, reckon she's make a VERY good Vice Presidential nominee. Past denials of interest not worth much AFTER the Biden announcement.
Josh Shapiro also in the frame, and is also attractive prospect IMHO.
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Well, my post was a minute too early haha!BatteryCorrectHorse said:Biden has endorsed Kamala.
Harris v Trump will be a fascinating contest.0 -
Kamala surely odds on to win the election now.0
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I don’t think Whitmer wants to be a VP and I doubt you’d get a joint woman ticket if Harris wins the nomination . Shapiro is great, a fantastic speaker.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Agree with most of above, though just how "gruesome" is Newsom is highly debatable, my guess is WAY less than you think.boulay said:
I believe Newsom has many many skeletons which will be dragged out by Trump and co and negate a lot of attacks on Trump. Whitmer would be sensible option but Harris has as close to incumbency as possible so she will be favourite.MikeL said:Harris 1.41
Michelle 14
Newsom 16
Whitmer 16
Hillary 17
Very close if not Harris.
He’s not known as Gruesome Newsom for no reason. Michelle not interested and really would be taking one for the world if she steps up, and Hilary is toxic.
As for Gretchen Whitmer, reckon she's make a VERY good Vice Presidential nominee. Past denials of interest not worth much AFTER the Biden announcement.
Josh Shapiro also in the frame, and is also attractive prospect IMHO.
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Yes. June 2024 was probably the most consequential TV debate in all political history. It CHANGED historyCasino_Royale said:Who says debates don't matter, folks?
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Updated the thread header with this.
My fellow Democrats, I have decided not to accept the nomination and to focus all my energies on my duties as President for the remainder of my term. My very first decision as the party nominee in 2020 was to pick Kamala Harris as my Vice President. And it’s been the best decision I’ve made. Today I want to offer my full support and endorsement for Kamala to be the nominee of our party this year. Democrats — it’s time to come together and beat Trump. Let’s do this.
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Six millimeters more likeHeathener said:
Imagine, for a moment, if neither Trump nor Biden had made it to the vote. We were within six inches.BlancheLivermore said:This is the best election ever
One candidate has been shot and the other has pulled out before it's even started
There's surely huge intrigue and interest to come
The Dem nomination for starters..
Just a reminder too that Trump is no spring chicken. Trump will be older than Biden is now by the end of term in January 2029
If the Dems are sensible they might well show up his age to their advantage.
But are they sensible?
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Somewhat surprised Biden as endorsed Harris, but not what you'd call shocked.
Essentially he's released his super-majority of 2024 Democratic National Convention delegates to her. Which in addition to other factors will likely be persuasive to most if hardly all.0 -
Biden endorsement takes Harris from 1.4 to 1.2.0
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Nowhere near. But she stands a better chance than Biden, so it’s the right decision.BatteryCorrectHorse said:Kamala surely odds on to win the election now.
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Democrat nominee
Harris 1.24
Newsom 29
H Clinton 38
Whitmer 40
M Obama 40
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I hope and pray that Jill Biden did persuade her husband to take this momentous, if personally difficult decision for himSeaShantyIrish2 said:Clearly Joe Biden is NOT receiving spiritual-psephological guidance from The Vicar.
Key to this decision was NOT likes of Barack Obama or Nancy Pelosi or etc. etc. etc.
Instead, Jill Biden.
It would be evidence of her putting her love for her husband first, especially as he may not see it that way as many of those suffering dementia struggle to accept the condition and the essential changes needed to adapt to it
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With the most enormous reluctance - an infinite mega-tonnage of reluctance - yesNunu5 said:
I’d far far prefer a sane anti woke Republican. I’d vote for Vance in a heartbeat. But Trump? No1 -
Others may yet throw their hats in the ring. I’m not sure she has it sewn up.BatteryCorrectHorse said:Kamala surely odds on to win the election now.
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I reckon that's a wise decision, because it means the spotlight will turn almost immediately on to Trump - and Vance - without the distraction of more speculation about divisions among the Democrats.TheScreamingEagles said:Updated the thread header with this.
My fellow Democrats, I have decided not to accept the nomination and to focus all my energies on my duties as President for the remainder of my term. My very first decision as the party nominee in 2020 was to pick Kamala Harris as my Vice President. And it’s been the best decision I’ve made. Today I want to offer my full support and endorsement for Kamala to be the nominee of our party this year. Democrats — it’s time to come together and beat Trump. Let’s do this.
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Now totally green on the market.
Wow!!!
Huge times.
Is TSE on holiday?
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I am absolutely knackered.Peter_the_Punter said:
It's TSE.viewcode said:JESUS EFFING FLIP! I GO AWAY FOR A FEW HOURS (I did some DIY. It's a bit wobbly) AND THIS BLOODY HAPPENS. IT'S YOUR FAULT PB! BAD YOU!
He's been behind every world crisis since he started editing the Site.
A public service announcement.
I am taking a holiday from the 16th of August through to the 26th of August.
Edit also a holiday from the 25th of September through to 6th of October.4 -
You're forgetting the six inches of solid bone between his ear and his brain.geoffw said:
Six millimeters more likeHeathener said:
Imagine, for a moment, if neither Trump nor Biden had made it to the vote. We were within six inches.BlancheLivermore said:This is the best election ever
One candidate has been shot and the other has pulled out before it's even started
There's surely huge intrigue and interest to come
The Dem nomination for starters..
Just a reminder too that Trump is no spring chicken. Trump will be older than Biden is now by the end of term in January 2029
If the Dems are sensible they might well show up his age to their advantage.
But are they sensible?1 -
Doesn’t she get his donations as she was on the original ticket . That helps of course .SeaShantyIrish2 said:Somewhat surprised Biden as endorsed Harris, but not what you'd call shocked.
Essentially he's released his super-majority of 2024 Democratic National Convention delegates to her. Which in addition to other factors will likely be persuasive to most if hardly all.1 -
Election winner
Trump 1.62
Harris 3.4
M Obama 42
Newsom 48
Whitmer 95
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Is Clacton what it was though?TheScreamingEagles said:
I am absolutely knackered.Peter_the_Punter said:
It's TSE.viewcode said:JESUS EFFING FLIP! I GO AWAY FOR A FEW HOURS (I did some DIY. It's a bit wobbly) AND THIS BLOODY HAPPENS. IT'S YOUR FAULT PB! BAD YOU!
He's been behind every world crisis since he started editing the Site.
A public service announcement.
I am taking a holiday from the 16th of August through to the 26th of August.3 -
Game, set and match Trump if the Democrats endorse Harris after Biden's withdrawal and follow his mistaken recommendation.
Harris would lose all the rustbelt swing states Biden won in 2020 and probably lead the Democrats to their worst defeat in the Electoral College since Dukakis as well as losing the popular vote.
Newsom would be just as bad, Democrats only hope now a rustbelt governor like Shapiro or Buttigieg2 -
Thank you @Heathener and my wife and I are fortunate not to be experiencing dementia yet, but have a lot of experience of it in the family and with our peersHeathener said:A rare foray onto this forum. I hope everyone is well. I think particularly of my friends @Big_G_NorthWales and @OldKingCole and respective spouses.
3.5 years ago I placed a bet on an outsider Democrat to be the 2024 nominee and winner. Nice odds
I’m not going to say who because I don’t want to jinx things but even now there are some stunning odds on various candidates if you move fast.
A lot depends on whether you think Kamala is a shoo-in for the nomination.
We are pleased on a personal level for the Biden family the decision is made
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Actually I am going to Trump's hotel in Scotland for the first part of the August holiday.Omnium said:
Is Clacton what it was though?TheScreamingEagles said:
I am absolutely knackered.Peter_the_Punter said:
It's TSE.viewcode said:JESUS EFFING FLIP! I GO AWAY FOR A FEW HOURS (I did some DIY. It's a bit wobbly) AND THIS BLOODY HAPPENS. IT'S YOUR FAULT PB! BAD YOU!
He's been behind every world crisis since he started editing the Site.
A public service announcement.
I am taking a holiday from the 16th of August through to the 26th of August.0 -
I think this is the right decision but it makes me feel unaccountably sad. I think Biden is an enormously decent man and his presidency has been a great success. when he was campaigning in 2020 I was always impressed by his decency and empathy. It's sad it has to end like this.6
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I meant the models. There are a pile of American political scientists that produce models and each election year they produce predictions which can then be measured. See https://centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/ or Sabato's Crystal Ball. Some use polls, some use econometrics some use keys or Primary votes.Nunu5 said:
Are they? The polls seem quite sticky despite many big twists and turnsmviewcode said:FUUUCK! FUUCK! FUUCK! All the model predictions are dead! This is really going to screw things up!
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I think you're making too many assumptions too quickly.HYUFD said:Game, set and match Trump if the Democrats endorse Harris after Biden's withdrawal and follow his mistaken recommendation.
Harris would lose all the rustbelt swing states Biden won in 2020 and probably lead the Democrats to their worst defeat in the Electoral College since Dukakis as well as losing the popular vote.
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Trump wishes he had six inches of solid bone.ydoethur said:
You're forgetting the six inches of solid bone between his ear and his brain.geoffw said:
Six millimeters more likeHeathener said:
Imagine, for a moment, if neither Trump nor Biden had made it to the vote. We were within six inches.BlancheLivermore said:This is the best election ever
One candidate has been shot and the other has pulled out before it's even started
There's surely huge intrigue and interest to come
The Dem nomination for starters..
Just a reminder too that Trump is no spring chicken. Trump will be older than Biden is now by the end of term in January 2029
If the Dems are sensible they might well show up his age to their advantage.
But are they sensible?2 -
Thanks TSE. I will liquidate my share portfolio accordingly.TheScreamingEagles said:
I am absolutely knackered.Peter_the_Punter said:
It's TSE.viewcode said:JESUS EFFING FLIP! I GO AWAY FOR A FEW HOURS (I did some DIY. It's a bit wobbly) AND THIS BLOODY HAPPENS. IT'S YOUR FAULT PB! BAD YOU!
He's been behind every world crisis since he started editing the Site.
A public service announcement.
I am taking a holiday from the 16th of August through to the 26th of August.
Edit also a holiday from the 25th of September through to 6th of October.2 -
Biden has endorsed Kamala Harris according to The Guardian.
Biden’s Twitter:
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The first opinion polls will be crucial. I guess they have already done some, but it’s not quite the same when it’s hypothetical (okay, it’s still hypothetical but it’s got to be someone else now so might focus the mind more).williamglenn said:
Others may yet throw their hats in the ring. I’m not sure she has it sewn up.BatteryCorrectHorse said:Kamala surely odds on to win the election now.
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Very funny. We were within a hair's breadth of turmoilydoethur said:
You're forgetting the six inches of solid bone between his ear and his brain.geoffw said:
Six millimeters more likeHeathener said:
Imagine, for a moment, if neither Trump nor Biden had made it to the vote. We were within six inches.BlancheLivermore said:This is the best election ever
One candidate has been shot and the other has pulled out before it's even started
There's surely huge intrigue and interest to come
The Dem nomination for starters..
Just a reminder too that Trump is no spring chicken. Trump will be older than Biden is now by the end of term in January 2029
If the Dems are sensible they might well show up his age to their advantage.
But are they sensible?
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FUCK YEAH! GO KAMALA! BEAT HIS [REDACTED] BOTTOM!Andy_JS said:BIDEN ENDORSES HARRIS
"Joe Biden
@JoeBiden
My fellow Democrats, I have decided not to accept the nomination and to focus all my energies on my duties as President for the remainder of my term. My very first decision as the party nominee in 2020 was to pick Kamala Harris as my Vice President. And it’s been the best decision I’ve made. Today I want to offer my full support and endorsement for Kamala to be the nominee of our party this year. Democrats — it’s time to come together and beat Trump. Let’s do this."
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Vance is more dangerous than Trump. He would sell out Ukraine in a second and systematically degrade democracy in the US. The sane, anti-woke Republicans are people like Jeb Bush and Mitt Romney, who have been purged from the party. The lunatics are in charge of that asylum now.Leon said:
With the most enormous reluctance - an infinite mega-tonnage of reluctance - yesNunu5 said:
I’d far far prefer a sane anti woke Republican. I’d vote for Vance in a heartbeat. But Trump? No4 -
No, Trump remains odds-on; Kamala 3.5 or 5/2 in old money. For one thing, Trump definitely is the GOP nominee, and even with Biden's endorsement, Harris is not yet certain.BatteryCorrectHorse said:Kamala surely odds on to win the election now.
That said, many punters will not have seen the news.0 -
Harris is a prosecutor that represents law and order against the convicted criminal leading the Republicans.HYUFD said:Game, set and match Trump if the Democrats endorse Harris after Biden's withdrawal and follow his mistaken recommendation.
Harris would lose all the rustbelt swing states Biden won in 2020 and probably lead the Democrats to their worst defeat in the Electoral College since Dukakis as well as losing the popular vote.
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If the Dems do win the White House in November then Biden will go down as one of the truly great Presidents.Stereodog said:I think this is the right decision but it makes me feel unaccountably sad. I think Biden is an enormously decent man and his presidency has been a great success. when he was campaigning in 2020 I was always impressed by his decency and empathy. It's sad it has to end like this.
Defeated Trump then stood aside to help defeat Trump.4
