Penny Mordaunt is hectoring and constantly interrupting. Really hope she loses her seat. Ghastly woman.
Less of the misogyny please, referring to her sex as a derogatory point is beneath you. You could have said “ghastly person” but ghastly woman is so loaded with some retro sexist memories of “to the manor born” and all that.
I like how all the OnlyFans references were ok but "ghastly woman" was somehow noteworthy
I was being ever so serious. Heathener is suitably strong, apparently accomplished and confident to give it out and take it back - it would probs be more sexist to think anyone had to rein it in because she’s a she.
Yeah I don’t have a problem with you calling it out. But what is to the manor born?
Really? Penelope Kieth, Richard Bowles? Huge in the late 1970s.
Peter Bowles, but his character was Richard De Vere...
Richard De Vere was also in Pretty Woman.
Pretty Woman, by the way, was released closer to the time that Anthony Eden was PM than to today.
I don’t care if that is true. It’s wonderful like the fact that on a time basis it’s more accurate to depict a human to being mauled by a T-Rex than a stegosaurus.
Alas, it's actually true Eden 1957 -> Pretty Woman 1990 -> Now 2024 33 years, 34 years.
My reference for that era is the song Ride On Time by Black Box, which was #1 all summer in 1989, 35 years ago.
35 years before that, was 1954, the era of Doris Day and Frank Sinatra.
Victorian era (59 years) The Beatles formed (64 years) Now
Does anyone agree with me that it will slightly take the shine off a big Labour win if the Tories and RefUK combined get more votes than Labour? For example if it's Lab 40%, Con 25%, Ref 16%.
Labour would probably have the biggest majority in living memory, or dead memory come to that. That will be the story nobody will much care about vote share, apart from nerds and wonks.
Are Reclaim standing anywhere? I saw that they are offering £5k to any candidate of any party that will agree to their 4 key policies.
I get confused between them all. Reform, Reclaim, Rebound, Resuscitate, Regurgitate, Repatriate.
Repeat ad infinitum
Is that the conspiracy brigade that Lawrence Fox fronts?
I know it is Fox's mob but I honestly don't know what they stand for. Have they ever made that clear or is it just another vanity project?
I think it's basically conspiracy twitter copy-pasted into a pdf. Gay nazi communists are putting sex-change chemicals in the vaccines sort of unhinged drivel.
Penny Mordaunt is hectoring and constantly interrupting. Really hope she loses her seat. Ghastly woman.
Less of the misogyny please, referring to her sex as a derogatory point is beneath you. You could have said “ghastly person” but ghastly woman is so loaded with some retro sexist memories of “to the manor born” and all that.
I like how all the OnlyFans references were ok but "ghastly woman" was somehow noteworthy
I was being ever so serious. Heathener is suitably strong, apparently accomplished and confident to give it out and take it back - it would probs be more sexist to think anyone had to rein it in because she’s a she.
Yeah I don’t have a problem with you calling it out. But what is to the manor born?
Really? Penelope Kieth, Richard Bowles? Huge in the late 1970s.
Peter Bowles was in TTMB with Penelope Richard Briars was in the Good Life with Penelope
I know! Schoolboy error from me. Trying to wind up Heathener who is somehow about 70 and 17 at the same time. It’s not like To The Manor Born is an obscure TV series. It’s one from the classics of the age, and as has been said, both stands up well AND is an interesting social/historical commentary.
I can't drag anyone for not knowing a series that is considered a classic. I'd never seen Seinfeld until recently. It was ok.
But the point is you had heard of it.
Sure, but I'd also argue that Seinfeld was a bigger phenomenon than TTMB.
Not in the U.K. The final episode was watched by 27 million viewers. Twenty-seven million.
27 million viewers for one of merely 20 episodes half a century ago doesn't trump millions of viewers week in, week out, for years when it was on over 180 episodes.
I'd definitely say Seinfeld was a far bigger phenomenon.
That's the problem with British TV over American TV, the American TV becomes a much bigger phenomenon not just because its American but because it goes on for much longer.
In the U.K. I’d definitely argue TTMB was bigger. Seinfeld was shown on Ch4, what were its audiences like in the U.K.? Globally yes Seinfeld is bigger, but that wasn’t my point. My point was that I cannot believe the Heathener character (aged 17/70) has not even heard of it.
Penny Mordaunt is hectoring and constantly interrupting. Really hope she loses her seat. Ghastly woman.
Less of the misogyny please, referring to her sex as a derogatory point is beneath you. You could have said “ghastly person” but ghastly woman is so loaded with some retro sexist memories of “to the manor born” and all that.
I like how all the OnlyFans references were ok but "ghastly woman" was somehow noteworthy
I was being ever so serious. Heathener is suitably strong, apparently accomplished and confident to give it out and take it back - it would probs be more sexist to think anyone had to rein it in because she’s a she.
Yeah I don’t have a problem with you calling it out. But what is to the manor born?
Really? Penelope Kieth, Richard Bowles? Huge in the late 1970s.
I don’t know who they are. Before my time.
The 1970’s are half a century ago
I know the phrase ‘to the manner born’
Been on TV many times since then. You are something of an Enigma. Kids that can be left while you write books in Norway, so adult, but doesn’t remember the late seventies (or re-runs in the eighties). Uses a stick to beat people off in supermarkets. I guess we all have our knowledge gaps - music is mine. So often on PB reports that X or Y has died and I have no idea who they are.
Music used to be one of my specialist subjects, I just looked at the current top 20 singles and the only one I know (by artist/title) is Houdini by Eminem, that is a new entry at #1.
Other than Eminem, I heard #4 (A bar song (Tipsy)) for the first time earlier today, my wife asked me to play it while driving which was a challenge with the speech recognition as at first it just played a random bar song playlist instead.
Both my wife and I love #10 (Austin), that's a lot of fun and one I regularly play.
My wife likes #19 (Beautiful Things) so I listen to that a few times, I'm not too fussed with it.
The rest of the Top 20 I don't recognise. But then again a lot of the music I stream is new[ish] but may never have made the Top 20 in this country, music like other entertainment forms is a lot more diverse nowadays, we don't all listen to the same things.
Interesting.
There’s probably a handful I’d know to listen to, but wouldn’t know artist and title - but I don’t listen to a lot of music radio any more, preferring talk stations and podcasts on long journeys, or doing down a random YouTube music rabbithole which tends to suggest older songs that I know anyway.
I’d love to know what the radio edit of the Eminem track sounds like, becuase the video edit is definitely not anywhere close to radio-friendly.
I had a browse through. I recognised a few but I could only actually remember "Without Me" and the Disturbed cover of "Sound of Silence". Both of which are from my younger years. There's a good research paper I saw that graphed music score vs age you were when the music was released and there's a very clear filter effect from old music (slightly higher rating for stuff released 20 years before you were born), a big peak in your teens and then it falls off a cliff. I guess we all stay teenagers when it comes to music.
More and more teens and young adults are however going to older bands, went out with my father the other day to his local and the barmaid we both know had on a green day tshirt because she prefer the older bands and she is just 20, likewise my 30 year old son is into acdc, foofighters, motorhead, hawkwind, rush and pink floyd
I think that's probably not a representative sample. I used to think that when I listened to Bruce Springsteen, ABBA and The Rolling Stones when I was a kid but turns out I was the odd one out there. I also used to think the 80s was a bad time for music; which outranks libertarianism as my number one cringe teenage belief.
When I was a kid it was an oddity, we all knew one, according to most young people I know there is a large percentage of them that prefer the golden oldies
For example I have an american friend and her 14 year old daughter often jumps on skype with us and she is always asking for music recommendations and the other night the three of us did jethro tull, hawkwind, faun and damh the bard for an hour or two according to her mother she is digging into their bibliography ever since as she was blown away
That's a fine set of music.
to be fair she plays an instrument and tull will always generally interest musicians
Penny Mordaunt is hectoring and constantly interrupting. Really hope she loses her seat. Ghastly woman.
Less of the misogyny please, referring to her sex as a derogatory point is beneath you. You could have said “ghastly person” but ghastly woman is so loaded with some retro sexist memories of “to the manor born” and all that.
I like how all the OnlyFans references were ok but "ghastly woman" was somehow noteworthy
I was being ever so serious. Heathener is suitably strong, apparently accomplished and confident to give it out and take it back - it would probs be more sexist to think anyone had to rein it in because she’s a she.
Yeah I don’t have a problem with you calling it out. But what is to the manor born?
Really? Penelope Kieth, Richard Bowles? Huge in the late 1970s.
Peter Bowles, but his character was Richard De Vere...
Richard De Vere was also in Pretty Woman.
Pretty Woman, by the way, was released closer to the time that Anthony Eden was PM than to today.
I don’t care if that is true. It’s wonderful like the fact that on a time basis it’s more accurate to depict a human to being mauled by a T-Rex than a stegosaurus.
Alas, it's actually true Eden 1957 -> Pretty Woman 1990 -> Now 2024 33 years, 34 years.
My reference for that era is the song Ride On Time by Black Box, which was #1 all summer in 1989, 35 years ago.
35 years before that, was 1954, the era of Doris Day and Frank Sinatra.
Victorian era (59 years) The Beatles formed (64 years) Now
D-Day - more precisely, as pointed out on here today, OVERLORD - was closer to the American Civil War than today ...
Penny Mordaunt is hectoring and constantly interrupting. Really hope she loses her seat. Ghastly woman.
Less of the misogyny please, referring to her sex as a derogatory point is beneath you. You could have said “ghastly person” but ghastly woman is so loaded with some retro sexist memories of “to the manor born” and all that.
I like how all the OnlyFans references were ok but "ghastly woman" was somehow noteworthy
I was being ever so serious. Heathener is suitably strong, apparently accomplished and confident to give it out and take it back - it would probs be more sexist to think anyone had to rein it in because she’s a she.
Yeah I don’t have a problem with you calling it out. But what is to the manor born?
Really? Penelope Kieth, Richard Bowles? Huge in the late 1970s.
I don’t know who they are. Before my time.
The 1970’s are half a century ago
I know the phrase ‘to the manner born’
Been on TV many times since then. You are something of an Enigma. Kids that can be left while you write books in Norway, so adult, but doesn’t remember the late seventies (or re-runs in the eighties). Uses a stick to beat people off in supermarkets. I guess we all have our knowledge gaps - music is mine. So often on PB reports that X or Y has died and I have no idea who they are.
Music used to be one of my specialist subjects, I just looked at the current top 20 singles and the only one I know (by artist/title) is Houdini by Eminem, that is a new entry at #1.
Other than Eminem, I heard #4 (A bar song (Tipsy)) for the first time earlier today, my wife asked me to play it while driving which was a challenge with the speech recognition as at first it just played a random bar song playlist instead.
Both my wife and I love #10 (Austin), that's a lot of fun and one I regularly play.
My wife likes #19 (Beautiful Things) so I listen to that a few times, I'm not too fussed with it.
The rest of the Top 20 I don't recognise. But then again a lot of the music I stream is new[ish] but may never have made the Top 20 in this country, music like other entertainment forms is a lot more diverse nowadays, we don't all listen to the same things.
Interesting.
There’s probably a handful I’d know to listen to, but wouldn’t know artist and title - but I don’t listen to a lot of music radio any more, preferring talk stations and podcasts on long journeys, or doing down a random YouTube music rabbithole which tends to suggest older songs that I know anyway.
I’d love to know what the radio edit of the Eminem track sounds like, becuase the video edit is definitely not anywhere close to radio-friendly.
I had a browse through. I recognised a few but I could only actually remember "Without Me" and the Disturbed cover of "Sound of Silence". Both of which are from my younger years. There's a good research paper I saw that graphed music score vs age you were when the music was released and there's a very clear filter effect from old music (slightly higher rating for stuff released 20 years before you were born), a big peak in your teens and then it falls off a cliff. I guess we all stay teenagers when it comes to music.
More and more teens and young adults are however going to older bands, went out with my father the other day to his local and the barmaid we both know had on a green day tshirt because she prefer the older bands and she is just 20, likewise my 30 year old son is into acdc, foofighters, motorhead, hawkwind, rush and pink floyd
I think that's probably not a representative sample. I used to think that when I listened to Bruce Springsteen, ABBA and The Rolling Stones when I was a kid but turns out I was the odd one out there. I also used to think the 80s was a bad time for music; which outranks libertarianism as my number one cringe teenage belief.
When I was a kid it was an oddity, we all knew one, according to most young people I know there is a large percentage of them that prefer the golden oldies
The information revolution has made the scene so much wider than what's on the shelf in a record store or Woolworths. It's easy to listen to 1930s dance bands or 1950s Congolese rumba, and to find out enough about them to become a fan. And to expose you to them in the first place, there are musicians like Leyland Kirby ("The Caretaker") and Bob Stanley (off Saint Etienne, turned historical pop music ephemerist par excellence).
Does anyone agree with me that it will slightly take the shine off a big Labour win if the Tories and RefUK combined get more votes than Labour? For example if it's Lab 40%, Con 25%, Ref 16%.
No, of course it would not.
No more than the shine is taken off a big Tory win if the Labour and Lib Dem votes combined are more than the Tory vote.
Tory 40%, Lab 25%, LD 16% is still a landslide Tory victory. Lab 40%, Tory 25%, Refuk 16% is still a landslide Labour victory.
Penny Mordaunt is hectoring and constantly interrupting. Really hope she loses her seat. Ghastly woman.
Less of the misogyny please, referring to her sex as a derogatory point is beneath you. You could have said “ghastly person” but ghastly woman is so loaded with some retro sexist memories of “to the manor born” and all that.
I like how all the OnlyFans references were ok but "ghastly woman" was somehow noteworthy
I was being ever so serious. Heathener is suitably strong, apparently accomplished and confident to give it out and take it back - it would probs be more sexist to think anyone had to rein it in because she’s a she.
Yeah I don’t have a problem with you calling it out. But what is to the manor born?
Really? Penelope Kieth, Richard Bowles? Huge in the late 1970s.
Peter Bowles was in TTMB with Penelope Richard Briars was in the Good Life with Penelope
I know! Schoolboy error from me. Trying to wind up Heathener who is somehow about 70 and 17 at the same time. It’s not like To The Manor Born is an obscure TV series. It’s one from the classics of the age, and as has been said, both stands up well AND is an interesting social/historical commentary.
I can't drag anyone for not knowing a series that is considered a classic. I'd never seen Seinfeld until recently. It was ok.
But the point is you had heard of it.
Sure, but I'd also argue that Seinfeld was a bigger phenomenon than TTMB.
Not in the U.K. The final episode was watched by 27 million viewers. Twenty-seven million.
27 million viewers for one of merely 20 episodes half a century ago doesn't trump millions of viewers week in, week out, for years when it was on over 180 episodes.
I'd definitely say Seinfeld was a far bigger phenomenon.
That's the problem with British TV over American TV, the American TV becomes a much bigger phenomenon not just because its American but because it goes on for much longer.
In the U.K. I’d definitely argue TTMB was bigger. Seinfeld was shown on Ch4, what were its audiences like in the U.K.? Globally yes Seinfeld is bigger, but that wasn’t my point. My point was that I cannot believe the Heathener character (aged 17/70) has not even heard of it.
Also fewer people had tvs when TTMB was on. If your parents were watching it you weren’t able to go to your room and watch the equivalent of Seinfeld to add to their ratings.
Heathener is Marina Hyde so enjoy her snark and fun.
Penny Mordaunt is hectoring and constantly interrupting. Really hope she loses her seat. Ghastly woman.
Less of the misogyny please, referring to her sex as a derogatory point is beneath you. You could have said “ghastly person” but ghastly woman is so loaded with some retro sexist memories of “to the manor born” and all that.
I like how all the OnlyFans references were ok but "ghastly woman" was somehow noteworthy
I was being ever so serious. Heathener is suitably strong, apparently accomplished and confident to give it out and take it back - it would probs be more sexist to think anyone had to rein it in because she’s a she.
Yeah I don’t have a problem with you calling it out. But what is to the manor born?
Really? Penelope Kieth, Richard Bowles? Huge in the late 1970s.
Peter Bowles was in TTMB with Penelope Richard Briars was in the Good Life with Penelope
I know! Schoolboy error from me. Trying to wind up Heathener who is somehow about 70 and 17 at the same time. It’s not like To The Manor Born is an obscure TV series. It’s one from the classics of the age, and as has been said, both stands up well AND is an interesting social/historical commentary.
I can't drag anyone for not knowing a series that is considered a classic. I'd never seen Seinfeld until recently. It was ok.
But the point is you had heard of it.
Sure, but I'd also argue that Seinfeld was a bigger phenomenon than TTMB.
Not in the U.K. The final episode was watched by 27 million viewers. Twenty-seven million.
27 million viewers for one of merely 20 episodes half a century ago doesn't trump millions of viewers week in, week out, for years when it was on over 180 episodes.
I'd definitely say Seinfeld was a far bigger phenomenon.
That's the problem with British TV over American TV, the American TV becomes a much bigger phenomenon not just because its American but because it goes on for much longer.
I remember the hype in the US around the last episodes of both MASH and Friends. There were parties and the whole weekend national news was dominated by the fact that a sitcom was ending.
That last episode of MASH is still the most watched episode of any TV series in US history. 121 Million people watched it.
In the largest town in traditionally Tory East Wiltshire (it's a new seat, the old (Michael Ancram) Devizes seat, but without Devizes and with a bit more of the army on Salisbury Plain), Marlborough, I have seen one big "Winning Here" sign, outside the LibDem candidate's house, and two Labour posters in windows
I have not seen a single thing promoting the Tories or Danny Kruger, even at the two Tory town councillor ladies' houses on my route. They did have a stall at the market last week, but it seemed rather quiet
The Lib Dem candidate, David Kinnaird, is ex-Army. He might well be able to win over the new Salisbury Plain bits of the constituency. I haven't talked to enough people to elevate my knowledge above anecdata, but I haven't spoken to anyone who has met met him who wasn't impressed by him
The consensus in my little focus group is that he'd be a fine representative for the constituency in Parliament
I don't think it's likely that he'll win, but he might be value. What are the odds for East Wiltshire (or is it Wiltshire East)?
Pretty sure we've got East Wiltshire, SW Wiltshire, and Salisbury covered on here, let's see if we can get posters to cover all Wiltshire.
Haven't been back there in the last couple of years. So I don't know the local mood. My guess would be the same split is there - the locals are looking Reform'y, the incomers very Lib Dem.
Penny Mordaunt is hectoring and constantly interrupting. Really hope she loses her seat. Ghastly woman.
Less of the misogyny please, referring to her sex as a derogatory point is beneath you. You could have said “ghastly person” but ghastly woman is so loaded with some retro sexist memories of “to the manor born” and all that.
I like how all the OnlyFans references were ok but "ghastly woman" was somehow noteworthy
I was being ever so serious. Heathener is suitably strong, apparently accomplished and confident to give it out and take it back - it would probs be more sexist to think anyone had to rein it in because she’s a she.
Yeah I don’t have a problem with you calling it out. But what is to the manor born?
Really? Penelope Kieth, Richard Bowles? Huge in the late 1970s.
I don’t know who they are. Before my time.
The 1970’s are half a century ago
I know the phrase ‘to the manner born’
Been on TV many times since then. You are something of an Enigma. Kids that can be left while you write books in Norway, so adult, but doesn’t remember the late seventies (or re-runs in the eighties). Uses a stick to beat people off in supermarkets. I guess we all have our knowledge gaps - music is mine. So often on PB reports that X or Y has died and I have no idea who they are.
Music used to be one of my specialist subjects, I just looked at the current top 20 singles and the only one I know (by artist/title) is Houdini by Eminem, that is a new entry at #1.
Other than Eminem, I heard #4 (A bar song (Tipsy)) for the first time earlier today, my wife asked me to play it while driving which was a challenge with the speech recognition as at first it just played a random bar song playlist instead.
Both my wife and I love #10 (Austin), that's a lot of fun and one I regularly play.
My wife likes #19 (Beautiful Things) so I listen to that a few times, I'm not too fussed with it.
The rest of the Top 20 I don't recognise. But then again a lot of the music I stream is new[ish] but may never have made the Top 20 in this country, music like other entertainment forms is a lot more diverse nowadays, we don't all listen to the same things.
Interesting.
There’s probably a handful I’d know to listen to, but wouldn’t know artist and title - but I don’t listen to a lot of music radio any more, preferring talk stations and podcasts on long journeys, or doing down a random YouTube music rabbithole which tends to suggest older songs that I know anyway.
I’d love to know what the radio edit of the Eminem track sounds like, becuase the video edit is definitely not anywhere close to radio-friendly.
I had a browse through. I recognised a few but I could only actually remember "Without Me" and the Disturbed cover of "Sound of Silence". Both of which are from my younger years. There's a good research paper I saw that graphed music score vs age you were when the music was released and there's a very clear filter effect from old music (slightly higher rating for stuff released 20 years before you were born), a big peak in your teens and then it falls off a cliff. I guess we all stay teenagers when it comes to music.
More and more teens and young adults are however going to older bands, went out with my father the other day to his local and the barmaid we both know had on a green day tshirt because she prefer the older bands and she is just 20, likewise my 30 year old son is into acdc, foofighters, motorhead, hawkwind, rush and pink floyd
I think that's probably not a representative sample. I used to think that when I listened to Bruce Springsteen, ABBA and The Rolling Stones when I was a kid but turns out I was the odd one out there. I also used to think the 80s was a bad time for music; which outranks libertarianism as my number one cringe teenage belief.
When I was a kid it was an oddity, we all knew one, according to most young people I know there is a large percentage of them that prefer the golden oldies
The information revolution has made the scene so much wider than what's on the shelf in a record store or Woolworths. It's easy to listen to 1930s dance bands or 1950s Congolese rumba, and to find out enough about them to become a fan. And to expose you to them in the first place, there are musicians like Leyland Kirby ("The Caretaker") and Bob Stanley (off Saint Etienne, turned historical pop music ephemerist par excellence).
Oh I agree a lot of what I listen to now I would never have found as a kid, my only source of alternative music was either john peel or taking a risk and buying an album that looked interesting in meat whiplash
Penny Mordaunt is hectoring and constantly interrupting. Really hope she loses her seat. Ghastly woman.
Less of the misogyny please, referring to her sex as a derogatory point is beneath you. You could have said “ghastly person” but ghastly woman is so loaded with some retro sexist memories of “to the manor born” and all that.
I like how all the OnlyFans references were ok but "ghastly woman" was somehow noteworthy
I was being ever so serious. Heathener is suitably strong, apparently accomplished and confident to give it out and take it back - it would probs be more sexist to think anyone had to rein it in because she’s a she.
Yeah I don’t have a problem with you calling it out. But what is to the manor born?
Really? Penelope Kieth, Richard Bowles? Huge in the late 1970s.
Peter Bowles was in TTMB with Penelope Richard Briars was in the Good Life with Penelope
I know! Schoolboy error from me. Trying to wind up Heathener who is somehow about 70 and 17 at the same time. It’s not like To The Manor Born is an obscure TV series. It’s one from the classics of the age, and as has been said, both stands up well AND is an interesting social/historical commentary.
I can't drag anyone for not knowing a series that is considered a classic. I'd never seen Seinfeld until recently. It was ok.
But the point is you had heard of it.
Sure, but I'd also argue that Seinfeld was a bigger phenomenon than TTMB.
Not in the U.K. The final episode was watched by 27 million viewers. Twenty-seven million.
27 million viewers for one of merely 20 episodes half a century ago doesn't trump millions of viewers week in, week out, for years when it was on over 180 episodes.
I'd definitely say Seinfeld was a far bigger phenomenon.
That's the problem with British TV over American TV, the American TV becomes a much bigger phenomenon not just because its American but because it goes on for much longer.
In the U.K. I’d definitely argue TTMB was bigger. Seinfeld was shown on Ch4, what were its audiences like in the U.K.? Globally yes Seinfeld is bigger, but that wasn’t my point. My point was that I cannot believe the Heathener character (aged 17/70) has not even heard of it.
TTMB was bigger in the 70s.
I'd say Seinfeld was bigger in the 90s in the UK. Just a guess, be curious to see the data.
For anyone under 30 I'd expect to have heard of Seinfeld being more probable than TTMB, but it would be close as Seinfeld itself is also pretty niche nowadays.
Now if you said Friends or TTMB it wouldn't even be close. Friends all day, every day for anyone under 30.
Going on the Sunak performance it’s clearly a tactic. Some American GOP apparatchik has been hired by the Tories to strategise the debates, and they’ve convincingly explained how you need to disrupt the opposition with constant interruptions to deny them the flow. It probably has a name, a bit like the Gish Gallop.
Are Reclaim standing anywhere? I saw that they are offering £5k to any candidate of any party that will agree to their 4 key policies.
I get confused between them all. Reform, Reclaim, Rebound, Resuscitate, Regurgitate, Repatriate.
Repeat ad infinitum
Is that the conspiracy brigade that Lawrence Fox fronts?
I know it is Fox's mob but I honestly don't know what they stand for. Have they ever made that clear or is it just another vanity project?
I think it's basically conspiracy twitter copy-pasted into a pdf. Gay nazi communists are putting sex-change chemicals in the vaccines sort of unhinged drivel.
No no no.
Nazi gay islamic jewish communists are putting the sex-change chemicals in the *water*. The vaccines make you magnetic.
Are Reclaim standing anywhere? I saw that they are offering £5k to any candidate of any party that will agree to their 4 key policies.
I get confused between them all. Reform, Reclaim, Rebound, Resuscitate, Regurgitate, Repatriate.
Repeat ad infinitum
Is that the conspiracy brigade that Lawrence Fox fronts?
I know it is Fox's mob but I honestly don't know what they stand for. Have they ever made that clear or is it just another vanity project?
I think it's basically conspiracy twitter copy-pasted into a pdf. Gay nazi communists are putting sex-change chemicals in the vaccines sort of unhinged drivel.
No no no.
Nazi gay islamic jewish communists are putting the sex-change chemicals in the *water*. The vaccines make you magnetic.
Penny Mordaunt is hectoring and constantly interrupting. Really hope she loses her seat. Ghastly woman.
Less of the misogyny please, referring to her sex as a derogatory point is beneath you. You could have said “ghastly person” but ghastly woman is so loaded with some retro sexist memories of “to the manor born” and all that.
I like how all the OnlyFans references were ok but "ghastly woman" was somehow noteworthy
I was being ever so serious. Heathener is suitably strong, apparently accomplished and confident to give it out and take it back - it would probs be more sexist to think anyone had to rein it in because she’s a she.
Yeah I don’t have a problem with you calling it out. But what is to the manor born?
Really? Penelope Kieth, Richard Bowles? Huge in the late 1970s.
Peter Bowles was in TTMB with Penelope Richard Briars was in the Good Life with Penelope
I know! Schoolboy error from me. Trying to wind up Heathener who is somehow about 70 and 17 at the same time. It’s not like To The Manor Born is an obscure TV series. It’s one from the classics of the age, and as has been said, both stands up well AND is an interesting social/historical commentary.
I can't drag anyone for not knowing a series that is considered a classic. I'd never seen Seinfeld until recently. It was ok.
But the point is you had heard of it.
Sure, but I'd also argue that Seinfeld was a bigger phenomenon than TTMB.
Not in the U.K. The final episode was watched by 27 million viewers. Twenty-seven million.
27 million viewers for one of merely 20 episodes half a century ago doesn't trump millions of viewers week in, week out, for years when it was on over 180 episodes.
I'd definitely say Seinfeld was a far bigger phenomenon.
That's the problem with British TV over American TV, the American TV becomes a much bigger phenomenon not just because its American but because it goes on for much longer.
In the U.K. I’d definitely argue TTMB was bigger. Seinfeld was shown on Ch4, what were its audiences like in the U.K.? Globally yes Seinfeld is bigger, but that wasn’t my point. My point was that I cannot believe the Heathener character (aged 17/70) has not even heard of it.
Also fewer people had tvs when TTMB was on. If your parents were watching it you weren’t able to go to your room and watch the equivalent of Seinfeld to add to their ratings.
Heathener is Marina Hyde so enjoy her snark and fun.
Same age as me pretty much, so would definitely know TTMB…
Penny Mordaunt is hectoring and constantly interrupting. Really hope she loses her seat. Ghastly woman.
Less of the misogyny please, referring to her sex as a derogatory point is beneath you. You could have said “ghastly person” but ghastly woman is so loaded with some retro sexist memories of “to the manor born” and all that.
I like how all the OnlyFans references were ok but "ghastly woman" was somehow noteworthy
I was being ever so serious. Heathener is suitably strong, apparently accomplished and confident to give it out and take it back - it would probs be more sexist to think anyone had to rein it in because she’s a she.
Yeah I don’t have a problem with you calling it out. But what is to the manor born?
Really? Penelope Kieth, Richard Bowles? Huge in the late 1970s.
Peter Bowles was in TTMB with Penelope Richard Briars was in the Good Life with Penelope
I know! Schoolboy error from me. Trying to wind up Heathener who is somehow about 70 and 17 at the same time. It’s not like To The Manor Born is an obscure TV series. It’s one from the classics of the age, and as has been said, both stands up well AND is an interesting social/historical commentary.
I can't drag anyone for not knowing a series that is considered a classic. I'd never seen Seinfeld until recently. It was ok.
But the point is you had heard of it.
Sure, but I'd also argue that Seinfeld was a bigger phenomenon than TTMB.
Not in the U.K. The final episode was watched by 27 million viewers. Twenty-seven million.
27 million viewers for one of merely 20 episodes half a century ago doesn't trump millions of viewers week in, week out, for years when it was on over 180 episodes.
I'd definitely say Seinfeld was a far bigger phenomenon.
That's the problem with British TV over American TV, the American TV becomes a much bigger phenomenon not just because its American but because it goes on for much longer.
I remember the hype in the US around the last episodes of both MASH and Friends. There were parties and the whole weekend natinal news was dominated by the fact that a sitcom was ending.
That last episode of MASH is still the most watched episode of any TV series in US history. 121 Million people watched it.
The last episode of MASH is haunting, it deserves its ratings. Like the last episode of Blackadder Goes Forth.
The "chicken" on the bus has to be one of the most chilling moments of TV I've ever seen.
Having seen one or two clips, and from the seeming 'it was all crap' annoyance from our more left-inclined posters, can we chalk this up to a victory for the Faragegasm?
Penny Mordaunt is hectoring and constantly interrupting. Really hope she loses her seat. Ghastly woman.
Less of the misogyny please, referring to her sex as a derogatory point is beneath you. You could have said “ghastly person” but ghastly woman is so loaded with some retro sexist memories of “to the manor born” and all that.
I like how all the OnlyFans references were ok but "ghastly woman" was somehow noteworthy
I was being ever so serious. Heathener is suitably strong, apparently accomplished and confident to give it out and take it back - it would probs be more sexist to think anyone had to rein it in because she’s a she.
Yeah I don’t have a problem with you calling it out. But what is to the manor born?
Really? Penelope Kieth, Richard Bowles? Huge in the late 1970s.
Peter Bowles was in TTMB with Penelope Richard Briars was in the Good Life with Penelope
I know! Schoolboy error from me. Trying to wind up Heathener who is somehow about 70 and 17 at the same time. It’s not like To The Manor Born is an obscure TV series. It’s one from the classics of the age, and as has been said, both stands up well AND is an interesting social/historical commentary.
I can't drag anyone for not knowing a series that is considered a classic. I'd never seen Seinfeld until recently. It was ok.
But the point is you had heard of it.
Sure, but I'd also argue that Seinfeld was a bigger phenomenon than TTMB.
Not in the U.K. The final episode was watched by 27 million viewers. Twenty-seven million.
27 million viewers for one of merely 20 episodes half a century ago doesn't trump millions of viewers week in, week out, for years when it was on over 180 episodes.
I'd definitely say Seinfeld was a far bigger phenomenon.
That's the problem with British TV over American TV, the American TV becomes a much bigger phenomenon not just because its American but because it goes on for much longer.
In the U.K. I’d definitely argue TTMB was bigger. Seinfeld was shown on Ch4, what were its audiences like in the U.K.? Globally yes Seinfeld is bigger, but that wasn’t my point. My point was that I cannot believe the Heathener character (aged 17/70) has not even heard of it.
Also fewer people had tvs when TTMB was on. If your parents were watching it you weren’t able to go to your room and watch the equivalent of Seinfeld to add to their ratings.
Heathener is Marina Hyde so enjoy her snark and fun.
Same age as me pretty much, so would definitely know TTMB…
Tories looking like value in Leicester East - area is getting more Hindu, which as a demographic is going Conservative, Hindu candidate, Hindu PM, 3* unknown Indies, Labour (living in London), Webbe, Vaz, Lab, LD, and Greens all standing. Floor of 35 odd percent should be enough.
Does anyone agree with me that it will slightly take the shine off a big Labour win if the Tories and RefUK combined get more votes than Labour? For example if it's Lab 40%, Con 25%, Ref 16%.
No, of course it would not.
No more than the shine is taken off a big Tory win if the Labour and Lib Dem votes combined are more than the Tory vote.
Tory 40%, Lab 25%, LD 16% is still a landslide Tory victory. Lab 40%, Tory 25%, Refuk 16% is still a landslide Labour victory.
Yes we have FPTP so voteshares are irrelevant, it is the lead of first placed party over the second that determines the majority of seats.
If we had PR then minor parties voteshares would matter too and they would get seats accordingly but we don't
Does anyone agree with me that it will slightly take the shine off a big Labour win if the Tories and RefUK combined get more votes than Labour? For example if it's Lab 40%, Con 25%, Ref 16%.
No, of course it would not.
No more than the shine is taken off a big Tory win if the Labour and Lib Dem votes combined are more than the Tory vote.
Tory 40%, Lab 25%, LD 16% is still a landslide Tory victory. Lab 40%, Tory 25%, Refuk 16% is still a landslide Labour victory.
I think it would slightly, especially the closer the combined total gets to 50%.
Penny Mordaunt is hectoring and constantly interrupting. Really hope she loses her seat. Ghastly woman.
Less of the misogyny please, referring to her sex as a derogatory point is beneath you. You could have said “ghastly person” but ghastly woman is so loaded with some retro sexist memories of “to the manor born” and all that.
I like how all the OnlyFans references were ok but "ghastly woman" was somehow noteworthy
I was being ever so serious. Heathener is suitably strong, apparently accomplished and confident to give it out and take it back - it would probs be more sexist to think anyone had to rein it in because she’s a she.
Yeah I don’t have a problem with you calling it out. But what is to the manor born?
Really? Penelope Kieth, Richard Bowles? Huge in the late 1970s.
I don’t know who they are. Before my time.
The 1970’s are half a century ago
I know the phrase ‘to the manner born’
Been on TV many times since then. You are something of an Enigma. Kids that can be left while you write books in Norway, so adult, but doesn’t remember the late seventies (or re-runs in the eighties). Uses a stick to beat people off in supermarkets. I guess we all have our knowledge gaps - music is mine. So often on PB reports that X or Y has died and I have no idea who they are.
Music used to be one of my specialist subjects, I just looked at the current top 20 singles and the only one I know (by artist/title) is Houdini by Eminem, that is a new entry at #1.
Other than Eminem, I heard #4 (A bar song (Tipsy)) for the first time earlier today, my wife asked me to play it while driving which was a challenge with the speech recognition as at first it just played a random bar song playlist instead.
Both my wife and I love #10 (Austin), that's a lot of fun and one I regularly play.
My wife likes #19 (Beautiful Things) so I listen to that a few times, I'm not too fussed with it.
The rest of the Top 20 I don't recognise. But then again a lot of the music I stream is new[ish] but may never have made the Top 20 in this country, music like other entertainment forms is a lot more diverse nowadays, we don't all listen to the same things.
Interesting.
There’s probably a handful I’d know to listen to, but wouldn’t know artist and title - but I don’t listen to a lot of music radio any more, preferring talk stations and podcasts on long journeys, or doing down a random YouTube music rabbithole which tends to suggest older songs that I know anyway.
I’d love to know what the radio edit of the Eminem track sounds like, becuase the video edit is definitely not anywhere close to radio-friendly.
I don't listen to any radio at all, I stream music while I'm driving.
The streaming app discovers new music for us based on what we play and what we skip etc - the funny thing with streaming is then a lot of music we discover is popular in eg America or Canada or Australia but not really made it here.
My wife discovers a lot more new music than I do, mainly from the fact she's on TikTok and I'm not. She really loves an American artist called Noah Kahan who seems to have recently made it here too.
My favourite new artists at the moment are all foreign female soloists oddly enough. Peach PRC, Jax, Taylor Acorn etc - all from abroad AFAIK and not even sure if any of them are played on the radio here or not.
Foreign female soloists (Janice Ian, Judy Collins, Nico...) and, faute de mieux, home-grown female soloists (Sandy Denny, Marianne Faithful, Mary Hopkins...) have always been popular with gentlemen for reasons too obvious to mention. There are top-twenty singles charts from the mid-60s where I can still remember most of the (not very sophisticated) lyrics, which could only be heard, long after sunset at this time of year, by tuning in to Radio Luxembourg or Radio Caroline. The ease with which today's music can be accessed (and forgotten) is one of the wonders of the age.
Does anyone agree with me that it will slightly take the shine off a big Labour win if the Tories and RefUK combined get more votes than Labour? For example if it's Lab 40%, Con 25%, Ref 16%.
About as much as it took the shine off Boris's win when Lab+Lib almost beat Con. Boris came out ahead by 984 votes. Add Greens, Nats and Reform to the mix and lefty remainiacs came out on top. Not that it did them much good.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 10m Tory HQ desperately shovelling out the entire manifesto tonight to try and move the agenda on from D-Day is a further example of the chaos inside the campaign.
Yet no proposed IHT cut, despite Reform now raising the IHT threshold to £2 million?
A Stamp Duty cut for a few first time buyers isn't going to make any significant difference to Tory voteshare.
If that is all Sunak and Hunt have bring back Theresa May I say, at least she managed to write a manifesto that got the Tories over 40% and over 300 seats not heading for near wipeout!
Penny Mordaunt is hectoring and constantly interrupting. Really hope she loses her seat. Ghastly woman.
Less of the misogyny please, referring to her sex as a derogatory point is beneath you. You could have said “ghastly person” but ghastly woman is so loaded with some retro sexist memories of “to the manor born” and all that.
I like how all the OnlyFans references were ok but "ghastly woman" was somehow noteworthy
I was being ever so serious. Heathener is suitably strong, apparently accomplished and confident to give it out and take it back - it would probs be more sexist to think anyone had to rein it in because she’s a she.
Yeah I don’t have a problem with you calling it out. But what is to the manor born?
Really? Penelope Kieth, Richard Bowles? Huge in the late 1970s.
Peter Bowles, but his character was Richard De Vere...
Richard De Vere was also in Pretty Woman.
Pretty Woman, by the way, was released closer to the time that Anthony Eden was PM than to today.
I don’t care if that is true. It’s wonderful like the fact that on a time basis it’s more accurate to depict a human to being mauled by a T-Rex than a stegosaurus.
Alas, it's actually true Eden 1957 -> Pretty Woman 1990 -> Now 2024 33 years, 34 years.
My reference for that era is the song Ride On Time by Black Box, which was #1 all summer in 1989, 35 years ago.
35 years before that, was 1954, the era of Doris Day and Frank Sinatra.
Victorian era (59 years) The Beatles formed (64 years) Now
D-Day - more precisely, as pointed out on here today, OVERLORD - was closer to the American Civil War than today ...
Overlord was the overall operation
Neptune was the landing on the beaches
D-Day comes from the military code for dates and times. You never write down the details. Instead, the orders looked something like -
"On D-Day, at H-Hour, M-Minute, units {something} will land on Omaha, Sword, Gold and Juno, At H+1....." etc
The idea is that the vital information is in times and locations - which could then be tightly held, or changed and given late in the process.
Does anyone agree with me that it will slightly take the shine off a big Labour win if the Tories and RefUK combined get more votes than Labour? For example if it's Lab 40%, Con 25%, Ref 16%.
No, of course it would not.
No more than the shine is taken off a big Tory win if the Labour and Lib Dem votes combined are more than the Tory vote.
Tory 40%, Lab 25%, LD 16% is still a landslide Tory victory. Lab 40%, Tory 25%, Refuk 16% is still a landslide Labour victory.
I think it would slightly, especially the closer the combined total gets to 50%.
Why?
Did the fact Milibands Labour and Clegg's Lib Dems got more votes combined than Cameron's Tories in 2015 take the shine off the Tories winning a majority?
No of course it did not.
Anyone pointing to combined totals of opposition parties is typically just a sore loser trying to console themselves.
Have we discussed the Conservative Party's failure to field a candidate in Rotherham? They were never going to win it, of course, but this is good news for Reform there (to a greater extent than the reverse might be). I still expect Labour to win it, but you can get 13-1 on Reform in Rotherham with Bet365 which I think is good value. DYOR, of course.
Does anyone agree with me that it will slightly take the shine off a big Labour win if the Tories and RefUK combined get more votes than Labour? For example if it's Lab 40%, Con 25%, Ref 16%.
No, because I think you'd have to compare Con+Ref with Lab+Green and arguably +LD, given their policy agenda. There's a comfortable majority for progressive policies in the UK right now.
Penny Mordaunt is hectoring and constantly interrupting. Really hope she loses her seat. Ghastly woman.
Less of the misogyny please, referring to her sex as a derogatory point is beneath you. You could have said “ghastly person” but ghastly woman is so loaded with some retro sexist memories of “to the manor born” and all that.
I like how all the OnlyFans references were ok but "ghastly woman" was somehow noteworthy
I was being ever so serious. Heathener is suitably strong, apparently accomplished and confident to give it out and take it back - it would probs be more sexist to think anyone had to rein it in because she’s a she.
Yeah I don’t have a problem with you calling it out. But what is to the manor born?
Really? Penelope Kieth, Richard Bowles? Huge in the late 1970s.
Peter Bowles, but his character was Richard De Vere...
Richard De Vere was also in Pretty Woman.
Pretty Woman, by the way, was released closer to the time that Anthony Eden was PM than to today.
I don’t care if that is true. It’s wonderful like the fact that on a time basis it’s more accurate to depict a human to being mauled by a T-Rex than a stegosaurus.
Alas, it's actually true Eden 1957 -> Pretty Woman 1990 -> Now 2024 33 years, 34 years.
My reference for that era is the song Ride On Time by Black Box, which was #1 all summer in 1989, 35 years ago.
35 years before that, was 1954, the era of Doris Day and Frank Sinatra.
Victorian era (59 years) The Beatles formed (64 years) Now
D-Day - more precisely, as pointed out on here today, OVERLORD - was closer to the American Civil War than today ...
Overlord was the overall operation
Neptune was the landing on the beaches
D-Day comes from the military code for dates and times. You never write down the details. Instead, the orders looked something like -
"On D-Day, at H-Hour, M-Minute, units {something} will land on Omaha, Sword, Gold and Juno, At H+1....." etc
The idea is that the vital information is in times and locations - which could then be tightly held, or changed and given late in the process.
I had a weird belief as a child that it was D-Day because they had postponed it three times from A-Day, B-Day and C-Day. I have no idea why I thought this…
Are Reclaim standing anywhere? I saw that they are offering £5k to any candidate of any party that will agree to their 4 key policies.
I get confused between them all. Reform, Reclaim, Rebound, Resuscitate, Regurgitate, Repatriate.
Repeat ad infinitum
Is that the conspiracy brigade that Lawrence Fox fronts?
I know it is Fox's mob but I honestly don't know what they stand for. Have they ever made that clear or is it just another vanity project?
I think it's basically conspiracy twitter copy-pasted into a pdf. Gay nazi communists are putting sex-change chemicals in the vaccines sort of unhinged drivel.
No no no.
Nazi gay islamic jewish communists are putting the sex-change chemicals in the *water*. The vaccines make you magnetic.
OPE
Water is very convenient for a shower but does anyone actually drink the stuff?
Having seen one or two clips, and from the seeming 'it was all crap' annoyance from our more left-inclined posters, can we chalk this up to a victory for the Faragegasm?
Have we discussed the Conservative Party's failure to field a candidate in Rotherham? They were never going to win it, of course, but this is good news for Reform there (to a greater extent than the reverse might be). I still expect Labour to win it, but you can get 13-1 on Reform in Rotherham with Bet365 which I think is good value. DYOR, of course.
Have the Tories given a reason for messing up?
Someone earlier suggested it was the first time since 1970 that the Tories had failed to field a full slate of candidates in GB. Even in a total no-hoper of a seat, there’s always a keen youngster who wants to raise their profile.
Penny Mordaunt is hectoring and constantly interrupting. Really hope she loses her seat. Ghastly woman.
Less of the misogyny please, referring to her sex as a derogatory point is beneath you. You could have said “ghastly person” but ghastly woman is so loaded with some retro sexist memories of “to the manor born” and all that.
I like how all the OnlyFans references were ok but "ghastly woman" was somehow noteworthy
I was being ever so serious. Heathener is suitably strong, apparently accomplished and confident to give it out and take it back - it would probs be more sexist to think anyone had to rein it in because she’s a she.
Yeah I don’t have a problem with you calling it out. But what is to the manor born?
Really? Penelope Kieth, Richard Bowles? Huge in the late 1970s.
Peter Bowles, but his character was Richard De Vere...
Richard De Vere was also in Pretty Woman.
Pretty Woman, by the way, was released closer to the time that Anthony Eden was PM than to today.
I don’t care if that is true. It’s wonderful like the fact that on a time basis it’s more accurate to depict a human to being mauled by a T-Rex than a stegosaurus.
Alas, it's actually true Eden 1957 -> Pretty Woman 1990 -> Now 2024 33 years, 34 years.
My reference for that era is the song Ride On Time by Black Box, which was #1 all summer in 1989, 35 years ago.
35 years before that, was 1954, the era of Doris Day and Frank Sinatra.
Victorian era (59 years) The Beatles formed (64 years) Now
D-Day - more precisely, as pointed out on here today, OVERLORD - was closer to the American Civil War than today ...
Overlord was the overall operation
Neptune was the landing on the beaches
D-Day comes from the military code for dates and times. You never write down the details. Instead, the orders looked something like -
"On D-Day, at H-Hour, M-Minute, units {something} will land on Omaha, Sword, Gold and Juno, At H+1....." etc
The idea is that the vital information is in times and locations - which could then be tightly held, or changed and given late in the process.
Penny Mordaunt is hectoring and constantly interrupting. Really hope she loses her seat. Ghastly woman.
Less of the misogyny please, referring to her sex as a derogatory point is beneath you. You could have said “ghastly person” but ghastly woman is so loaded with some retro sexist memories of “to the manor born” and all that.
I like how all the OnlyFans references were ok but "ghastly woman" was somehow noteworthy
I was being ever so serious. Heathener is suitably strong, apparently accomplished and confident to give it out and take it back - it would probs be more sexist to think anyone had to rein it in because she’s a she.
Yeah I don’t have a problem with you calling it out. But what is to the manor born?
Really? Penelope Kieth, Richard Bowles? Huge in the late 1970s.
I don’t know who they are. Before my time.
The 1970’s are half a century ago
I know the phrase ‘to the manner born’
Do you only know about things that have happened in your lifetime?
Most people know things that happened in their lifetime better, yes.
I know To the Manor Born as it was still getting repeated in the 90s when I was a teen, but I wouldn't expect anyone younger than me to know it.
It's sometimes shown on BBC2 on Tuesday evenings along with Yes Minister.
Yes, but how many young people watch BBC on Tuesday evenings?
I haven't watched live TV in years. My kids pretty much never have and probably never will.
You never watch live sport?
Sky Sports was the last live TV I watched about two years ago.
Cancelled my Sky subscription when we moved a couple of years ago, I got pissed off that about half the games I wanted to watch with my subscription weren't available to watch with it and an alternative method of streaming them was required so eventually just started streaming all rather than half.
Now I just stream sport. Probably best not to say how.
'Theft' is the word you're looking for, I believe.
Watching The Acolyte (in sympathy with TSE). I get that the tech is resolutely 1970s - that’s just the origin story - but why is the costume aesthetic Middle Ages ?
Also, what is going on with Lee Jung-jae’s hair ? He looks like a tramp.
Penny Mordaunt is hectoring and constantly interrupting. Really hope she loses her seat. Ghastly woman.
Less of the misogyny please, referring to her sex as a derogatory point is beneath you. You could have said “ghastly person” but ghastly woman is so loaded with some retro sexist memories of “to the manor born” and all that.
I like how all the OnlyFans references were ok but "ghastly woman" was somehow noteworthy
I was being ever so serious. Heathener is suitably strong, apparently accomplished and confident to give it out and take it back - it would probs be more sexist to think anyone had to rein it in because she’s a she.
Yeah I don’t have a problem with you calling it out. But what is to the manor born?
Really? Penelope Kieth, Richard Bowles? Huge in the late 1970s.
Peter Bowles, but his character was Richard De Vere...
Richard De Vere was also in Pretty Woman.
Pretty Woman, by the way, was released closer to the time that Anthony Eden was PM than to today.
I don’t care if that is true. It’s wonderful like the fact that on a time basis it’s more accurate to depict a human to being mauled by a T-Rex than a stegosaurus.
Alas, it's actually true Eden 1957 -> Pretty Woman 1990 -> Now 2024 33 years, 34 years.
My reference for that era is the song Ride On Time by Black Box, which was #1 all summer in 1989, 35 years ago.
35 years before that, was 1954, the era of Doris Day and Frank Sinatra.
Penny Mordaunt is hectoring and constantly interrupting. Really hope she loses her seat. Ghastly woman.
Less of the misogyny please, referring to her sex as a derogatory point is beneath you. You could have said “ghastly person” but ghastly woman is so loaded with some retro sexist memories of “to the manor born” and all that.
I like how all the OnlyFans references were ok but "ghastly woman" was somehow noteworthy
I was being ever so serious. Heathener is suitably strong, apparently accomplished and confident to give it out and take it back - it would probs be more sexist to think anyone had to rein it in because she’s a she.
Yeah I don’t have a problem with you calling it out. But what is to the manor born?
Really? Penelope Kieth, Richard Bowles? Huge in the late 1970s.
I don’t know who they are. Before my time.
The 1970’s are half a century ago
I know the phrase ‘to the manner born’
Do you only know about things that have happened in your lifetime?
Most people know things that happened in their lifetime better, yes.
I know To the Manor Born as it was still getting repeated in the 90s when I was a teen, but I wouldn't expect anyone younger than me to know it.
It's sometimes shown on BBC2 on Tuesday evenings along with Yes Minister.
Yes, but how many young people watch BBC on Tuesday evenings?
I haven't watched live TV in years. My kids pretty much never have and probably never will.
You never watch live sport?
Sky Sports was the last live TV I watched about two years ago.
Cancelled my Sky subscription when we moved a couple of years ago, I got pissed off that about half the games I wanted to watch with my subscription weren't available to watch with it and an alternative method of streaming them was required so eventually just started streaming all rather than half.
Now I just stream sport. Probably best not to say how.
'Theft' is the word you're looking for, I believe.
Username checks out. To be fair, had I not a deeply ingrained moral exception to internet piracy I would absolutely be pirating the F1. That Sky is allowed to squat both the TV and streaming rights is a fucking travesty.
Really good thread header by the way Robert. Personally, I don't consider the Reform to get second most seats particularly attractive ay 13-1. I'm predicting absolute Tory meltdown, but I think Reform's v9te to be too thinly spread to benefit. I think the maim beneficiaries will be Labour. I got on Lab 500 seats+ at 20-1 but I don't know if it's still available.
Are Reclaim standing anywhere? I saw that they are offering £5k to any candidate of any party that will agree to their 4 key policies.
I get confused between them all. Reform, Reclaim, Rebound, Resuscitate, Regurgitate, Repatriate.
Repeat ad infinitum
Is that the conspiracy brigade that Lawrence Fox fronts?
I know it is Fox's mob but I honestly don't know what they stand for. Have they ever made that clear or is it just another vanity project?
I think it's basically conspiracy twitter copy-pasted into a pdf. Gay nazi communists are putting sex-change chemicals in the vaccines sort of unhinged drivel.
No no no.
Nazi gay islamic jewish communists are putting the sex-change chemicals in the *water*. The vaccines make you magnetic.
OPE
Water is very convenient for a shower but does anyone actually drink the stuff?
Very useful for diluting @malcolmg's ration of cask strength turnip juice.
Also for cooling nitration of toluene. But that's another story.
Have we discussed the Conservative Party's failure to field a candidate in Rotherham? They were never going to win it, of course, but this is good news for Reform there (to a greater extent than the reverse might be). I still expect Labour to win it, but you can get 13-1 on Reform in Rotherham with Bet365 which I think is good value. DYOR, of course.
The Conservative candidate was supposed to be the current councillor for Lancaster Gate in Kensington & Chelsea, Laila Cunningham. It'll be interesting to find out why she pulled out at such a late stage that the Tories didn't have time to replace her with another candidate.
Tories looking like value in Leicester East - area is getting more Hindu, which as a demographic is going Conservative, Hindu candidate, Hindu PM, 3* unknown Indies, Labour (living in London), Webbe, Vaz, Lab, LD, and Greens all standing. Floor of 35 odd percent should be enough.
Perhaps once he loses Rishi could stand for Mayor of Leicester, only place in the UK he seems to have raised Tory voteshare?
Might need to go on a course on effective political management first though
Having seen one or two clips, and from the seeming 'it was all crap' annoyance from our more left-inclined posters, can we chalk this up to a victory for the Faragegasm?
Liquid checks to be re-introduced at airports which had briefly got rid of them.
Talk about going backwards.
Any reason given? Someone got wind of something?
IIRC the pilot of dropping the checks involved new-tech scanners, so the assumption would be that the new scanners aren’t as good as the salesman said they were. Presumably spooks ‘mystery shop’ airports with genuine explosives (stored safely) from time to time.
Does anyone agree with me that it will slightly take the shine off a big Labour win if the Tories and RefUK combined get more votes than Labour? For example if it's Lab 40%, Con 25%, Ref 16%.
No, because I think you'd have to compare Con+Ref with Lab+Green and arguably +LD, given their policy agenda. There's a comfortable majority for progressive policies in the UK right now.
But compare it with 1997. Con + Referendum Party was 31%+3% = 34%, miles behind the Labour total of 44% (before you start adding the LD and Green shares to Lab).
Having seen one or two clips, and from the seeming 'it was all crap' annoyance from our more left-inclined posters, can we chalk this up to a victory for the Faragegasm?
Faragasm, surely? Anything else would be missing a lovely linguistic opportunity.
Penny Mordaunt is hectoring and constantly interrupting. Really hope she loses her seat. Ghastly woman.
Less of the misogyny please, referring to her sex as a derogatory point is beneath you. You could have said “ghastly person” but ghastly woman is so loaded with some retro sexist memories of “to the manor born” and all that.
I like how all the OnlyFans references were ok but "ghastly woman" was somehow noteworthy
I was being ever so serious. Heathener is suitably strong, apparently accomplished and confident to give it out and take it back - it would probs be more sexist to think anyone had to rein it in because she’s a she.
Yeah I don’t have a problem with you calling it out. But what is to the manor born?
Really? Penelope Kieth, Richard Bowles? Huge in the late 1970s.
I don’t know who they are. Before my time.
The 1970’s are half a century ago
I know the phrase ‘to the manner born’
Do you only know about things that have happened in your lifetime?
Most people know things that happened in their lifetime better, yes.
I know To the Manor Born as it was still getting repeated in the 90s when I was a teen, but I wouldn't expect anyone younger than me to know it.
It's sometimes shown on BBC2 on Tuesday evenings along with Yes Minister.
Yes, but how many young people watch BBC on Tuesday evenings?
I haven't watched live TV in years. My kids pretty much never have and probably never will.
You never watch live sport?
Sky Sports was the last live TV I watched about two years ago.
Cancelled my Sky subscription when we moved a couple of years ago, I got pissed off that about half the games I wanted to watch with my subscription weren't available to watch with it and an alternative method of streaming them was required so eventually just started streaming all rather than half.
Now I just stream sport. Probably best not to say how.
'Theft' is the word you're looking for, I believe.
I prefer the term piracy myself.
At the end of the day I paid for the rights for years but its absurd how expensive the cost is in this country, when you only get some of the rights, when you can pay relative peanuts abroad and get all of the rights.
If I could pay a package and get all of the rights with it all in one package, as you can abroad, then I would do so for the convenience of it.
But you can't. You're forced either to pirate half the games or miss them entirely despite paying an absolute bloody fortune for the rights.
And if you're going to pirate half, you may as well pirate all.
If a bit of piracy encourages the Premier League to fix the mess, then that'd be a good thing.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 10m Tory HQ desperately shovelling out the entire manifesto tonight to try and move the agenda on from D-Day is a further example of the chaos inside the campaign.
Yet no proposed IHT cut, despite Reform now raising the IHT threshold to £2 million?
A Stamp Duty cut for a few first time buyers isn't going to make any significant difference to Tory voteshare.
If that is all Sunak and Hunt have bring back Theresa May I say, at least she managed to write a manifesto that got the Tories over 40% and over 300 seats not heading for near wipeout!
There are a lot of people who are also Tory voters, me for example (ok I can’t vote) who have issues about inheritance tax being cut.
A lot of Tory voters, or target voters, have worked their bollocks off but also mixed with people who haven’t, their friends and associates have pocketed money without any effort. They see very very stupid friends walking out with millions without any skills or brains and there is a British, and Danish, thing where people aren’t happy with people flashing it without earning it.
I have many friends who’ve inherited serious millions, some have worked hard to prove themselves worthy, some have been determined to use the money as a platform to outperform, some have used the money to do good, some are lazy fuckers who have no clue - and every time the ones who are the latter are the ones who treat waiters terribly, are entitled, have no direction or fear of what comes next.
There has to be an inheritance tax so nobody can just not contribute. Some wise soul said, I want to leave them enough to do something but not enough to do nothing.
A lot of people don’t understand that without a successful society arounfpd them, a stable society, their properties would be worthless, their shares worthless etc.
It’s not money the inheritors strived for and it was on the back of millions of people who struggled but accepted an unequal society. There needs to be a balance otherwise the ones who have nothing stop tolerating the others.
Yes, a whole day of everyone shouting about how awful it was for Truss to be associating with someone as evil as Carl Benjamin - but the interview was actually with another presenter and Benjamin wasn’t involved.
Having seen one or two clips, and from the seeming 'it was all crap' annoyance from our more left-inclined posters, can we chalk this up to a victory for the Faragegasm?
No, not particularly. He was reasonably assured, as he always is. He’s a more seasoned performer than most on the stage tonight. But not a vintage performance- he seemed a bit old hat and, dare I say, a tad like he was just wearily dialling in the greatest hits.
Nobody was terrible, though Mordaunt was certainly not great. Flynn blew his dog whistles about as effectively as Farage blew his.
Liquid checks to be re-introduced at airports which had briefly got rid of them.
Talk about going backwards.
Any reason given? Someone got wind of something?
I don’t think it matters. Next week I fly through Aberdeen, Luton and Gatwick airports. No point on ABZ having “bring what you want” rules if it isn’t the same for the return journey
Penny Mordaunt is hectoring and constantly interrupting. Really hope she loses her seat. Ghastly woman.
Less of the misogyny please, referring to her sex as a derogatory point is beneath you. You could have said “ghastly person” but ghastly woman is so loaded with some retro sexist memories of “to the manor born” and all that.
I like how all the OnlyFans references were ok but "ghastly woman" was somehow noteworthy
I was being ever so serious. Heathener is suitably strong, apparently accomplished and confident to give it out and take it back - it would probs be more sexist to think anyone had to rein it in because she’s a she.
Yeah I don’t have a problem with you calling it out. But what is to the manor born?
Really? Penelope Kieth, Richard Bowles? Huge in the late 1970s.
I don’t know who they are. Before my time.
The 1970’s are half a century ago
I know the phrase ‘to the manner born’
Do you only know about things that have happened in your lifetime?
Most people know things that happened in their lifetime better, yes.
I know To the Manor Born as it was still getting repeated in the 90s when I was a teen, but I wouldn't expect anyone younger than me to know it.
It's sometimes shown on BBC2 on Tuesday evenings along with Yes Minister.
Yes, but how many young people watch BBC on Tuesday evenings?
I haven't watched live TV in years. My kids pretty much never have and probably never will.
You never watch live sport?
Sky Sports was the last live TV I watched about two years ago.
Cancelled my Sky subscription when we moved a couple of years ago, I got pissed off that about half the games I wanted to watch with my subscription weren't available to watch with it and an alternative method of streaming them was required so eventually just started streaming all rather than half.
Now I just stream sport. Probably best not to say how.
'Theft' is the word you're looking for, I believe.
I prefer the term piracy myself.
At the end of the day I paid for the rights for years but its absurd how expensive the cost is in this country, when you only get some of the rights, when you can pay relative peanuts abroad and get all of the rights.
If I could pay a package and get all of the rights with it all in one package, as you can abroad, then I would do so for the convenience of it.
But you can't. You're forced either to pirate half the games or miss them entirely despite paying an absolute bloody fortune for the rights.
And if you're going to pirate half, you may as well pirate all.
If a bit of piracy encourages the Premier League to fix the mess, then that'd be a good thing.
Generally my view although I forgo it all together. The consolidation of the sports-broadcast market here and the overabundance of exclusivity deals is making it impossible to actually watch half the sport you might want to. If I lived in the Netherlands I could watch my broom-broom race for £13 a month, which is a fair price for a grand-prix and some behind-the-scenes extras. Here the cheapest I can get it is £30 which includes a significant amount of bullshit that I don't want to watch. I just like F1, not football, or rugby or whatever petanque-level nonsense Sky is padding their packages with today to justify the cost.
As Gabe Newell said once: Piracy is a customer service problem.
Liquid checks to be re-introduced at airports which had briefly got rid of them.
Talk about going backwards.
Any reason given? Someone got wind of something?
IIRC the pilot of dropping the checks involved new-tech scanners, so the assumption would be that the new scanners aren’t as good as the salesman said they were. Presumably spooks ‘mystery shop’ airports with genuine explosives (stored safely) from time to time.
A vast fortune is made by the shops selling stuff beyond the security checks at high prices.
There is absolutely no chance that they would put pressure on the airports to reintroduce the bans. No Sir.
It's not as if the rents from such shops form a huge revenue stream for the airports.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 10m Tory HQ desperately shovelling out the entire manifesto tonight to try and move the agenda on from D-Day is a further example of the chaos inside the campaign.
Yet no proposed IHT cut, despite Reform now raising the IHT threshold to £2 million?
A Stamp Duty cut for a few first time buyers isn't going to make any significant difference to Tory voteshare.
If that is all Sunak and Hunt have bring back Theresa May I say, at least she managed to write a manifesto that got the Tories over 40% and over 300 seats not heading for near wipeout!
There are a lot of people who are also Tory voters, me for example (ok I can’t vote) who have issues about inheritance tax being cut.
A lot of Tory voters, or target voters, have worked their bollocks off but also mixed with people who haven’t, their friends and associates have pocketed money without any effort. They see very very stupid friends walking out with millions without any skills or brains and there is a British, and Danish, thing where people aren’t happy with people flashing it without earning it.
I have many friends who’ve inherited serious millions, some have worked hard to prove themselves worthy, some have been determined to use the money as a platform to outperform, some have used the money to do good, some are lazy fuckers who have no clue - and every time the ones who are the latter are the ones who treat waiters terribly, are entitled, have no direction or fear of what comes next.
There has to be an inheritance tax so nobody can just not contribute. Some wise soul said, I want to leave them enough to do something but not enough to do nothing.
A lot of people don’t understand that without a successful society arounfpd them, a stable society, their properties would be worthless, their shares worthless etc.
It’s not money the inheritors strived for and it was on the back of millions of people who struggled but accepted an unequal society. There needs to be a balance otherwise the ones who have nothing stop tolerating the others.
I am not saying there should be not inheritance tax at all, though 55% say it should be abolished completely but certainly the threshold should be raised to £2million+ in my view so only the very richest pay that.
65% of voters and 77% of Tory voters back raising the threshold above £325k
Penny Mordaunt is hectoring and constantly interrupting. Really hope she loses her seat. Ghastly woman.
Less of the misogyny please, referring to her sex as a derogatory point is beneath you. You could have said “ghastly person” but ghastly woman is so loaded with some retro sexist memories of “to the manor born” and all that.
I like how all the OnlyFans references were ok but "ghastly woman" was somehow noteworthy
I was being ever so serious. Heathener is suitably strong, apparently accomplished and confident to give it out and take it back - it would probs be more sexist to think anyone had to rein it in because she’s a she.
Yeah I don’t have a problem with you calling it out. But what is to the manor born?
Really? Penelope Kieth, Richard Bowles? Huge in the late 1970s.
Peter Bowles, but his character was Richard De Vere...
Richard De Vere was also in Pretty Woman.
Pretty Woman, by the way, was released closer to the time that Anthony Eden was PM than to today.
I don’t care if that is true. It’s wonderful like the fact that on a time basis it’s more accurate to depict a human to being mauled by a T-Rex than a stegosaurus.
Alas, it's actually true Eden 1957 -> Pretty Woman 1990 -> Now 2024 33 years, 34 years.
My reference for that era is the song Ride On Time by Black Box, which was #1 all summer in 1989, 35 years ago.
35 years before that, was 1954, the era of Doris Day and Frank Sinatra.
Victorian era (59 years) The Beatles formed (64 years) Now
D-Day - more precisely, as pointed out on here today, OVERLORD - was closer to the American Civil War than today ...
Overlord was the overall operation
Neptune was the landing on the beaches
D-Day comes from the military code for dates and times. You never write down the details. Instead, the orders looked something like -
"On D-Day, at H-Hour, M-Minute, units {something} will land on Omaha, Sword, Gold and Juno, At H+1....." etc
The idea is that the vital information is in times and locations - which could then be tightly held, or changed and given late in the process.
Sure; I was using OVERLORD because of that, as 'D-Day' applied also to DRAGOON and LIGHTNING and many another operation, amphibious or otherwise.
Does anyone agree with me that it will slightly take the shine off a big Labour win if the Tories and RefUK combined get more votes than Labour? For example if it's Lab 40%, Con 25%, Ref 16%.
No, because I think you'd have to compare Con+Ref with Lab+Green and arguably +LD, given their policy agenda. There's a comfortable majority for progressive policies in the UK right now.
But compare it with 1997. Con + Referendum Party was 31%+3% = 34%, miles behind the Labour total of 44% (before you start adding the LD and Green shares to Lab).
The average Con-Ref total across pollsters is about 35-36%, so it’s really not far off. The main difference from 1997 is the Lib Dem score is much lower. I’d say several percent of the 1990s LD vote was none of the above, a role Reform now play.
The left-right blocs on substantive issues are probably similar to how they were in the 90s.
Penny Mordaunt is hectoring and constantly interrupting. Really hope she loses her seat. Ghastly woman.
Less of the misogyny please, referring to her sex as a derogatory point is beneath you. You could have said “ghastly person” but ghastly woman is so loaded with some retro sexist memories of “to the manor born” and all that.
I like how all the OnlyFans references were ok but "ghastly woman" was somehow noteworthy
I was being ever so serious. Heathener is suitably strong, apparently accomplished and confident to give it out and take it back - it would probs be more sexist to think anyone had to rein it in because she’s a she.
Yeah I don’t have a problem with you calling it out. But what is to the manor born?
Really? Penelope Kieth, Richard Bowles? Huge in the late 1970s.
I don’t know who they are. Before my time.
The 1970’s are half a century ago
I know the phrase ‘to the manner born’
Do you only know about things that have happened in your lifetime?
Most people know things that happened in their lifetime better, yes.
I know To the Manor Born as it was still getting repeated in the 90s when I was a teen, but I wouldn't expect anyone younger than me to know it.
It's sometimes shown on BBC2 on Tuesday evenings along with Yes Minister.
Yes, but how many young people watch BBC on Tuesday evenings?
I haven't watched live TV in years. My kids pretty much never have and probably never will.
You never watch live sport?
Sky Sports was the last live TV I watched about two years ago.
Cancelled my Sky subscription when we moved a couple of years ago, I got pissed off that about half the games I wanted to watch with my subscription weren't available to watch with it and an alternative method of streaming them was required so eventually just started streaming all rather than half.
Now I just stream sport. Probably best not to say how.
'Theft' is the word you're looking for, I believe.
I prefer the term piracy myself.
At the end of the day I paid for the rights for years but its absurd how expensive the cost is in this country, when you only get some of the rights, when you can pay relative peanuts abroad and get all of the rights.
If I could pay a package and get all of the rights with it all in one package, as you can abroad, then I would do so for the convenience of it.
But you can't. You're forced either to pirate half the games or miss them entirely despite paying an absolute bloody fortune for the rights.
And if you're going to pirate half, you may as well pirate all.
If a bit of piracy encourages the Premier League to fix the mess, then that'd be a good thing.
You don’t want to ever walk into a bar in any other English-speaking country at 3pm UK time on Saturday, and watch five screens showing five matches simultaneously, including the commentary.
Blackouts just don’t work any more in the internet era, and only encourage the streamers over the legitimate rights holders.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 10m Tory HQ desperately shovelling out the entire manifesto tonight to try and move the agenda on from D-Day is a further example of the chaos inside the campaign.
Yet no proposed IHT cut, despite Reform now raising the IHT threshold to £2 million?
A Stamp Duty cut for a few first time buyers isn't going to make any significant difference to Tory voteshare.
If that is all Sunak and Hunt have bring back Theresa May I say, at least she managed to write a manifesto that got the Tories over 40% and over 300 seats not heading for near wipeout!
There are a lot of people who are also Tory voters, me for example (ok I can’t vote) who have issues about inheritance tax being cut.
A lot of Tory voters, or target voters, have worked their bollocks off but also mixed with people who haven’t, their friends and associates have pocketed money without any effort. They see very very stupid friends walking out with millions without any skills or brains and there is a British, and Danish, thing where people aren’t happy with people flashing it without earning it.
I have many friends who’ve inherited serious millions, some have worked hard to prove themselves worthy, some have been determined to use the money as a platform to outperform, some have used the money to do good, some are lazy fuckers who have no clue - and every time the ones who are the latter are the ones who treat waiters terribly, are entitled, have no direction or fear of what comes next.
There has to be an inheritance tax so nobody can just not contribute. Some wise soul said, I want to leave them enough to do something but not enough to do nothing.
A lot of people don’t understand that without a successful society arounfpd them, a stable society, their properties would be worthless, their shares worthless etc.
It’s not money the inheritors strived for and it was on the back of millions of people who struggled but accepted an unequal society. There needs to be a balance otherwise the ones who have nothing stop tolerating the others.
I am not saying there should be not inheritance tax at all, though 55% say it should be abolished completely but certainly the threshold should be raised to £2million+ in my view so only the very richest pay that.
65% of voters and 77% of Tory voters back raising the threshold above £325k
Penny Mordaunt is hectoring and constantly interrupting. Really hope she loses her seat. Ghastly woman.
Less of the misogyny please, referring to her sex as a derogatory point is beneath you. You could have said “ghastly person” but ghastly woman is so loaded with some retro sexist memories of “to the manor born” and all that.
I like how all the OnlyFans references were ok but "ghastly woman" was somehow noteworthy
I was being ever so serious. Heathener is suitably strong, apparently accomplished and confident to give it out and take it back - it would probs be more sexist to think anyone had to rein it in because she’s a she.
Yeah I don’t have a problem with you calling it out. But what is to the manor born?
Really? Penelope Kieth, Richard Bowles? Huge in the late 1970s.
I don’t know who they are. Before my time.
The 1970’s are half a century ago
I know the phrase ‘to the manner born’
Do you only know about things that have happened in your lifetime?
Most people know things that happened in their lifetime better, yes.
I know To the Manor Born as it was still getting repeated in the 90s when I was a teen, but I wouldn't expect anyone younger than me to know it.
It's sometimes shown on BBC2 on Tuesday evenings along with Yes Minister.
Yes, but how many young people watch BBC on Tuesday evenings?
I haven't watched live TV in years. My kids pretty much never have and probably never will.
You never watch live sport?
Sky Sports was the last live TV I watched about two years ago.
Cancelled my Sky subscription when we moved a couple of years ago, I got pissed off that about half the games I wanted to watch with my subscription weren't available to watch with it and an alternative method of streaming them was required so eventually just started streaming all rather than half.
Now I just stream sport. Probably best not to say how.
'Theft' is the word you're looking for, I believe.
Username checks out. To be fair, had I not a deeply ingrained moral exception to internet piracy I would absolutely be pirating the F1. That Sky is allowed to squat both the TV and streaming rights is a fucking travesty.
F1 - Amazon uk sell me a f1 pro tv subscription every month. My firestick pretends that I’m in the Netherlands and everything works fine. Cost £7.99 a month and I suspect sky would have great difficulty prosecuting me..
Recent ex-head of Sky News tells Newsnight there is something odd about Cameron taking over the duties in Normandy and meeting Biden while Sunak headed home. Surely Cameron would have asked why on earth etc.
This guy says he reckons the full story has yet to come out.
Penny Mordaunt is hectoring and constantly interrupting. Really hope she loses her seat. Ghastly woman.
Less of the misogyny please, referring to her sex as a derogatory point is beneath you. You could have said “ghastly person” but ghastly woman is so loaded with some retro sexist memories of “to the manor born” and all that.
I like how all the OnlyFans references were ok but "ghastly woman" was somehow noteworthy
I was being ever so serious. Heathener is suitably strong, apparently accomplished and confident to give it out and take it back - it would probs be more sexist to think anyone had to rein it in because she’s a she.
Yeah I don’t have a problem with you calling it out. But what is to the manor born?
Really? Penelope Kieth, Richard Bowles? Huge in the late 1970s.
I don’t know who they are. Before my time.
The 1970’s are half a century ago
I know the phrase ‘to the manner born’
Do you only know about things that have happened in your lifetime?
Most people know things that happened in their lifetime better, yes.
I know To the Manor Born as it was still getting repeated in the 90s when I was a teen, but I wouldn't expect anyone younger than me to know it.
It's sometimes shown on BBC2 on Tuesday evenings along with Yes Minister.
Yes, but how many young people watch BBC on Tuesday evenings?
I haven't watched live TV in years. My kids pretty much never have and probably never will.
You never watch live sport?
Sky Sports was the last live TV I watched about two years ago.
Cancelled my Sky subscription when we moved a couple of years ago, I got pissed off that about half the games I wanted to watch with my subscription weren't available to watch with it and an alternative method of streaming them was required so eventually just started streaming all rather than half.
Now I just stream sport. Probably best not to say how.
'Theft' is the word you're looking for, I believe.
Username checks out. To be fair, had I not a deeply ingrained moral exception to internet piracy I would absolutely be pirating the F1. That Sky is allowed to squat both the TV and streaming rights is a fucking travesty.
F1 - Amazon uk sell me a f1 pro tv subscription every month. My firestick pretends that I’m in the Netherlands and everything works fine. Cost £7.99 a month and I suspect sky would have great difficulty prosecuting me..
I didn't realise Amazon did that. I've also read that there are a few public access broadcasters you can piggyback off of with a VPN.
Recent ex-head of Sky News tells Newsnight there is something odd about Cameron taking over the duties in Normandy and meeting Biden while Sunak headed home. Surely Cameron would have asked why on earth etc.
This guy says he reckons the full story has yet to come out.
The answer is probably that Sunak didn't tell him, and Cameron only found out when someone said "Oh you're due over in the leader's pen in 15 minutes",
Tories looking like value in Leicester East - area is getting more Hindu, which as a demographic is going Conservative, Hindu candidate, Hindu PM, 3* unknown Indies, Labour (living in London), Webbe, Vaz, Lab, LD, and Greens all standing. Floor of 35 odd percent should be enough.
Perhaps once he loses Rishi could stand for Mayor of Leicester, only place in the UK he seems to have raised Tory voteshare?
Might need to go on a course on effective political management first though
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 10m Tory HQ desperately shovelling out the entire manifesto tonight to try and move the agenda on from D-Day is a further example of the chaos inside the campaign.
Yet no proposed IHT cut, despite Reform now raising the IHT threshold to £2 million?
A Stamp Duty cut for a few first time buyers isn't going to make any significant difference to Tory voteshare.
If that is all Sunak and Hunt have bring back Theresa May I say, at least she managed to write a manifesto that got the Tories over 40% and over 300 seats not heading for near wipeout!
There are a lot of people who are also Tory voters, me for example (ok I can’t vote) who have issues about inheritance tax being cut.
A lot of Tory voters, or target voters, have worked their bollocks off but also mixed with people who haven’t, their friends and associates have pocketed money without any effort. They see very very stupid friends walking out with millions without any skills or brains and there is a British, and Danish, thing where people aren’t happy with people flashing it without earning it.
I have many friends who’ve inherited serious millions, some have worked hard to prove themselves worthy, some have been determined to use the money as a platform to outperform, some have used the money to do good, some are lazy fuckers who have no clue - and every time the ones who are the latter are the ones who treat waiters terribly, are entitled, have no direction or fear of what comes next.
There has to be an inheritance tax so nobody can just not contribute. Some wise soul said, I want to leave them enough to do something but not enough to do nothing.
A lot of people don’t understand that without a successful society arounfpd them, a stable society, their properties would be worthless, their shares worthless etc.
It’s not money the inheritors strived for and it was on the back of millions of people who struggled but accepted an unequal society. There needs to be a balance otherwise the ones who have nothing stop tolerating the others.
I am not saying there should be not inheritance tax at all, though 55% say it should be abolished completely but certainly the threshold should be raised to £2million+ in my view so only the very richest pay that.
65% of voters and 77% of Tory voters back raising the threshold above £325k
Mordaunt did surprisingly well, given the appalling wicket. Rayner was fluid annd imperious. Farage delivered some great lines but we’ve heard it all before.
The Welsh guy, Cooper and the Scottish guy were all fine.
The Green was totally cringe.
Doubt it changed a single vote, so on those grounds, Labour “won”.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 10m Tory HQ desperately shovelling out the entire manifesto tonight to try and move the agenda on from D-Day is a further example of the chaos inside the campaign.
Yet no proposed IHT cut, despite Reform now raising the IHT threshold to £2 million?
A Stamp Duty cut for a few first time buyers isn't going to make any significant difference to Tory voteshare.
If that is all Sunak and Hunt have bring back Theresa May I say, at least she managed to write a manifesto that got the Tories over 40% and over 300 seats not heading for near wipeout!
There are a lot of people who are also Tory voters, me for example (ok I can’t vote) who have issues about inheritance tax being cut.
A lot of Tory voters, or target voters, have worked their bollocks off but also mixed with people who haven’t, their friends and associates have pocketed money without any effort. They see very very stupid friends walking out with millions without any skills or brains and there is a British, and Danish, thing where people aren’t happy with people flashing it without earning it.
I have many friends who’ve inherited serious millions, some have worked hard to prove themselves worthy, some have been determined to use the money as a platform to outperform, some have used the money to do good, some are lazy fuckers who have no clue - and every time the ones who are the latter are the ones who treat waiters terribly, are entitled, have no direction or fear of what comes next.
There has to be an inheritance tax so nobody can just not contribute. Some wise soul said, I want to leave them enough to do something but not enough to do nothing.
A lot of people don’t understand that without a successful society arounfpd them, a stable society, their properties would be worthless, their shares worthless etc.
It’s not money the inheritors strived for and it was on the back of millions of people who struggled but accepted an unequal society. There needs to be a balance otherwise the ones who have nothing stop tolerating the others.
I am not saying there should be not inheritance tax at all, though 55% say it should be abolished completely but certainly the threshold should be raised to £2million+ in my view so only the very richest pay that.
65% of voters and 77% of Tory voters back raising the threshold above £325k
Fair enough but we all pluck these figures out of our arses, £2m etc. why not get some seriously bright people to work out a plan where you can leave your loved ones your hard earned but respect that there land is worthless if there are hungry reevers ready to take it from them. Every bit of wealth in the ipuk is requiring stability and society to make it worth anything.
Get a commission to analyse property transfer, cash/stock transfer, give it different levels that allow the originator of the wealth to support their progeny but also to reflect that their progeny had absolutely no input or skill in making it.
It’s the Succession thing. I remember watching succession and laughing where they were fighting the dad about what he did with the money as it was wha ie seen personally. You want to scream at them and say “ you didn’t make this money you entitled fuckers”. There has to be a balance between setting your family up with understanding it doesn’t happen if society doesn’t work. You can have an amazing house but it’s shit if there are no cleaners and gardeners. It’s great having money to eat out but pointless if there are no waiters or bar staff.
What happened to the supposed Mass Defection Event which was rumoured to trigger the Farage-gasm?
Didn’t happen.
This has been an appalling week for the Tories, but I wonder if Reform will really profit sustainably.
Reform haven't even managed to get a candidate nominated for over 60% Leave Epping Forest!
Yes they are fighting most seats but they seem to have found candidates in almost every seat in inner London where they have zero chance but not in what should be some prime targets for them like Epping Forest. Whoever was getting their candidates confirmed obviously is no master strategist
Penny Mordaunt is hectoring and constantly interrupting. Really hope she loses her seat. Ghastly woman.
Less of the misogyny please, referring to her sex as a derogatory point is beneath you. You could have said “ghastly person” but ghastly woman is so loaded with some retro sexist memories of “to the manor born” and all that.
I like how all the OnlyFans references were ok but "ghastly woman" was somehow noteworthy
I was being ever so serious. Heathener is suitably strong, apparently accomplished and confident to give it out and take it back - it would probs be more sexist to think anyone had to rein it in because she’s a she.
Yeah I don’t have a problem with you calling it out. But what is to the manor born?
Really? Penelope Kieth, Richard Bowles? Huge in the late 1970s.
Peter Bowles, but his character was Richard De Vere...
Richard De Vere was also in Pretty Woman.
Pretty Woman, by the way, was released closer to the time that Anthony Eden was PM than to today.
I don’t care if that is true. It’s wonderful like the fact that on a time basis it’s more accurate to depict a human to being mauled by a T-Rex than a stegosaurus.
Alas, it's actually true Eden 1957 -> Pretty Woman 1990 -> Now 2024 33 years, 34 years.
My reference for that era is the song Ride On Time by Black Box, which was #1 all summer in 1989, 35 years ago.
35 years before that, was 1954, the era of Doris Day and Frank Sinatra.
Victorian era (59 years) The Beatles formed (64 years) Now
D-Day - more precisely, as pointed out on here today, OVERLORD - was closer to the American Civil War than today ...
Overlord was the overall operation
Neptune was the landing on the beaches
D-Day comes from the military code for dates and times. You never write down the details. Instead, the orders looked something like -
"On D-Day, at H-Hour, M-Minute, units {something} will land on Omaha, Sword, Gold and Juno, At H+1....." etc
The idea is that the vital information is in times and locations - which could then be tightly held, or changed and given late in the process.
Sure; I was using OVERLORD because of that, as 'D-Day' applied also to DRAGOON and LIGHTNING and many another operation, amphibious or otherwise.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 10m Tory HQ desperately shovelling out the entire manifesto tonight to try and move the agenda on from D-Day is a further example of the chaos inside the campaign.
Yet no proposed IHT cut, despite Reform now raising the IHT threshold to £2 million?
A Stamp Duty cut for a few first time buyers isn't going to make any significant difference to Tory voteshare.
If that is all Sunak and Hunt have bring back Theresa May I say, at least she managed to write a manifesto that got the Tories over 40% and over 300 seats not heading for near wipeout!
There are a lot of people who are also Tory voters, me for example (ok I can’t vote) who have issues about inheritance tax being cut.
A lot of Tory voters, or target voters, have worked their bollocks off but also mixed with people who haven’t, their friends and associates have pocketed money without any effort. They see very very stupid friends walking out with millions without any skills or brains and there is a British, and Danish, thing where people aren’t happy with people flashing it without earning it.
I have many friends who’ve inherited serious millions, some have worked hard to prove themselves worthy, some have been determined to use the money as a platform to outperform, some have used the money to do good, some are lazy fuckers who have no clue - and every time the ones who are the latter are the ones who treat waiters terribly, are entitled, have no direction or fear of what comes next.
There has to be an inheritance tax so nobody can just not contribute. Some wise soul said, I want to leave them enough to do something but not enough to do nothing.
A lot of people don’t understand that without a successful society arounfpd them, a stable society, their properties would be worthless, their shares worthless etc.
It’s not money the inheritors strived for and it was on the back of millions of people who struggled but accepted an unequal society. There needs to be a balance otherwise the ones who have nothing stop tolerating the others.
I am not saying there should be not inheritance tax at all, though 55% say it should be abolished completely but certainly the threshold should be raised to £2million+ in my view so only the very richest pay that.
65% of voters and 77% of Tory voters back raising the threshold above £325k
A rate of 20 or 25% with a lower exempt amount would quite possibly bring in more than IHT currently does.
At £2m or so they're already evading or avoiding IHT so HYUFD's suggestion is about as useful as a chocolate welding torch.
Property tends to be the big crunch for going over thresholds and people get attached to family homes. So I tend to think that there should be a relatively high rate, low threshold but with a carve out for one property. Provided you live in it for five years. Sell it within that time and the taxman comes knocking.
Heathener’s claim to have never heard of “To The Manor Born” is like that scene from Inglorious Basterds where the spy outs himself as non-German with the wrong hand gesture.
Mordaunt did surprisingly well, given the appalling wicket. Rayner was fluid annd imperious. Farage delivered some great lines but we’ve heard it all before.
The Welsh guy, Cooper and the Scottish guy were all fine.
The Green was totally cringe.
Doubt it changed a single vote, so on those grounds, Labour “won”.
I think on tonight’s performance the most fertile ground to neutralise Farage is probably the old hat, same old tune thing. But the only party with any real electoral interest in neutralising Reform are the Tories and they are playing a similar tune themselves.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 10m Tory HQ desperately shovelling out the entire manifesto tonight to try and move the agenda on from D-Day is a further example of the chaos inside the campaign.
Yet no proposed IHT cut, despite Reform now raising the IHT threshold to £2 million?
A Stamp Duty cut for a few first time buyers isn't going to make any significant difference to Tory voteshare.
If that is all Sunak and Hunt have bring back Theresa May I say, at least she managed to write a manifesto that got the Tories over 40% and over 300 seats not heading for near wipeout!
There are a lot of people who are also Tory voters, me for example (ok I can’t vote) who have issues about inheritance tax being cut.
A lot of Tory voters, or target voters, have worked their bollocks off but also mixed with people who haven’t, their friends and associates have pocketed money without any effort. They see very very stupid friends walking out with millions without any skills or brains and there is a British, and Danish, thing where people aren’t happy with people flashing it without earning it.
I have many friends who’ve inherited serious millions, some have worked hard to prove themselves worthy, some have been determined to use the money as a platform to outperform, some have used the money to do good, some are lazy fuckers who have no clue - and every time the ones who are the latter are the ones who treat waiters terribly, are entitled, have no direction or fear of what comes next.
There has to be an inheritance tax so nobody can just not contribute. Some wise soul said, I want to leave them enough to do something but not enough to do nothing.
A lot of people don’t understand that without a successful society arounfpd them, a stable society, their properties would be worthless, their shares worthless etc.
It’s not money the inheritors strived for and it was on the back of millions of people who struggled but accepted an unequal society. There needs to be a balance otherwise the ones who have nothing stop tolerating the others.
I am not saying there should be not inheritance tax at all, though 55% say it should be abolished completely but certainly the threshold should be raised to £2million+ in my view so only the very richest pay that.
65% of voters and 77% of Tory voters back raising the threshold above £325k
Fair enough but we all pluck these figures out of our arses, £2m etc. why not get some seriously bright people to work out a plan where you can leave your loved ones your hard earned but respect that there land is worthless if there are hungry reevers ready to take it from them. Every bit of wealth in the ipuk is requiring stability and society to make it worth anything.
Get a commission to analyse property transfer, cash/stock transfer, give it different levels that allow the originator of the wealth to support their progeny but also to reflect that their progeny had absolutely no input or skill in making it.
It’s the Succession thing. I remember watching succession and laughing where they were fighting the dad about what he did with the money as it was wha ie seen personally. You want to scream at them and say “ you didn’t make this money you entitled fuckers”. There has to be a balance between setting your family up with understanding it doesn’t happen if society doesn’t work. You can have an amazing house but it’s shit if there are no cleaners and gardeners. It’s great having money to eat out but pointless if there are no waiters or bar staff.
Surely if you have some inherited wealth you would be able to be more likely to afford to pay the wages of cleaners and gardeners or have some more meals and drinks out to pay waiters or bar staff?
If you really dislike inherited wealth you are likely voting Labour anyway or even Liberal, not for the Tories
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 10m Tory HQ desperately shovelling out the entire manifesto tonight to try and move the agenda on from D-Day is a further example of the chaos inside the campaign.
Yet no proposed IHT cut, despite Reform now raising the IHT threshold to £2 million?
A Stamp Duty cut for a few first time buyers isn't going to make any significant difference to Tory voteshare.
If that is all Sunak and Hunt have bring back Theresa May I say, at least she managed to write a manifesto that got the Tories over 40% and over 300 seats not heading for near wipeout!
There are a lot of people who are also Tory voters, me for example (ok I can’t vote) who have issues about inheritance tax being cut.
A lot of Tory voters, or target voters, have worked their bollocks off but also mixed with people who haven’t, their friends and associates have pocketed money without any effort. They see very very stupid friends walking out with millions without any skills or brains and there is a British, and Danish, thing where people aren’t happy with people flashing it without earning it.
I have many friends who’ve inherited serious millions, some have worked hard to prove themselves worthy, some have been determined to use the money as a platform to outperform, some have used the money to do good, some are lazy fuckers who have no clue - and every time the ones who are the latter are the ones who treat waiters terribly, are entitled, have no direction or fear of what comes next.
There has to be an inheritance tax so nobody can just not contribute. Some wise soul said, I want to leave them enough to do something but not enough to do nothing.
A lot of people don’t understand that without a successful society arounfpd them, a stable society, their properties would be worthless, their shares worthless etc.
It’s not money the inheritors strived for and it was on the back of millions of people who struggled but accepted an unequal society. There needs to be a balance otherwise the ones who have nothing stop tolerating the others.
I am not saying there should be not inheritance tax at all, though 55% say it should be abolished completely but certainly the threshold should be raised to £2million+ in my view so only the very richest pay that.
65% of voters and 77% of Tory voters back raising the threshold above £325k
A rate of 20 or 25% with a lower exempt amount would quite possibly bring in more than IHT currently does.
At £2m or so they're already evading or avoiding IHT so HYUFD's suggestion is about as useful as a chocolate welding torch.
Property tends to be the big crunch for going over thresholds and people get attached to family homes. So I tend to think that there should be a relatively high rate, low threshold but with a carve out for one property. Provided you live in it for five years. Sell it within that time and the taxman comes knocking.
No good; that merely pampers Tory voters in the Home Counties as opposed to Labour voters in Sedgefield and drives up the hotspot around London*. I'm coming round to the idea of abolishing IHT and imposing CGT on all inheritances - everyone has an allowance, and so on.
*Which is why HYUFD loves it, not entirely irrationally for him.
Heathener’s claim to have never heard of “To The Manor Born” is like that scene from Inglorious Basterds where the spy outs himself as non-German with the wrong hand gesture.
So heathener isn’t the clever Jewish girl who avoids the kosher trap in the restaurant with the cream cake?
What happened to the supposed Mass Defection Event which was rumoured to trigger the Farage-gasm?
Didn’t happen.
This has been an appalling week for the Tories, but I wonder if Reform will really profit sustainably.
Reform haven't even managed to get a candidate nominated for over 60% Leave Epping Forest!
Yes they are fighting most seats but they seem to have found candidates in almost every seat in inner London where they have zero chance but not in what should be some prime targets for them like Epping Forest. Whoever was getting their candidates confirmed obviously is no master strategist
A paper party. Another reason Conservatives will end up getting over 30% come the actual election.
Recent ex-head of Sky News tells Newsnight there is something odd about Cameron taking over the duties in Normandy and meeting Biden while Sunak headed home. Surely Cameron would have asked why on earth etc.
This guy says he reckons the full story has yet to come out.
The answer is probably that Sunak didn't tell him, and Cameron only found out when someone said "Oh you're due over in the leader's pen in 15 minutes",
I saw a clip of someone from ConHome saying that TeamSunak don’t let anyone in on their thinking. He mentioned Rishi announcing the abolition of T levels in T levels week without telling the education minister who was doing the rounds praising them.
So Cameron not finding out until the last minute sounds plausible. I know he was backing Sunak earlier today but I suspect he’s privately seething just too much of a pro to vent this side of the election.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 10m Tory HQ desperately shovelling out the entire manifesto tonight to try and move the agenda on from D-Day is a further example of the chaos inside the campaign.
Yet no proposed IHT cut, despite Reform now raising the IHT threshold to £2 million?
A Stamp Duty cut for a few first time buyers isn't going to make any significant difference to Tory voteshare.
If that is all Sunak and Hunt have bring back Theresa May I say, at least she managed to write a manifesto that got the Tories over 40% and over 300 seats not heading for near wipeout!
There are a lot of people who are also Tory voters, me for example (ok I can’t vote) who have issues about inheritance tax being cut.
A lot of Tory voters, or target voters, have worked their bollocks off but also mixed with people who haven’t, their friends and associates have pocketed money without any effort. They see very very stupid friends walking out with millions without any skills or brains and there is a British, and Danish, thing where people aren’t happy with people flashing it without earning it.
I have many friends who’ve inherited serious millions, some have worked hard to prove themselves worthy, some have been determined to use the money as a platform to outperform, some have used the money to do good, some are lazy fuckers who have no clue - and every time the ones who are the latter are the ones who treat waiters terribly, are entitled, have no direction or fear of what comes next.
There has to be an inheritance tax so nobody can just not contribute. Some wise soul said, I want to leave them enough to do something but not enough to do nothing.
A lot of people don’t understand that without a successful society arounfpd them, a stable society, their properties would be worthless, their shares worthless etc.
It’s not money the inheritors strived for and it was on the back of millions of people who struggled but accepted an unequal society. There needs to be a balance otherwise the ones who have nothing stop tolerating the others.
I am not saying there should be not inheritance tax at all, though 55% say it should be abolished completely but certainly the threshold should be raised to £2million+ in my view so only the very richest pay that.
65% of voters and 77% of Tory voters back raising the threshold above £325k
Fair enough but we all pluck these figures out of our arses, £2m etc. why not get some seriously bright people to work out a plan where you can leave your loved ones your hard earned but respect that there land is worthless if there are hungry reevers ready to take it from them. Every bit of wealth in the ipuk is requiring stability and society to make it worth anything.
Get a commission to analyse property transfer, cash/stock transfer, give it different levels that allow the originator of the wealth to support their progeny but also to reflect that their progeny had absolutely no input or skill in making it.
It’s the Succession thing. I remember watching succession and laughing where they were fighting the dad about what he did with the money as it was wha ie seen personally. You want to scream at them and say “ you didn’t make this money you entitled fuckers”. There has to be a balance between setting your family up with understanding it doesn’t happen if society doesn’t work. You can have an amazing house but it’s shit if there are no cleaners and gardeners. It’s great having money to eat out but pointless if there are no waiters or bar staff.
Either abolish inheritance tax altogether, or have it as 10% on everything for everyone.
The 40% rates make it attractive for the seriously wealthy to plan around it.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 10m Tory HQ desperately shovelling out the entire manifesto tonight to try and move the agenda on from D-Day is a further example of the chaos inside the campaign.
Yet no proposed IHT cut, despite Reform now raising the IHT threshold to £2 million?
A Stamp Duty cut for a few first time buyers isn't going to make any significant difference to Tory voteshare.
If that is all Sunak and Hunt have bring back Theresa May I say, at least she managed to write a manifesto that got the Tories over 40% and over 300 seats not heading for near wipeout!
There are a lot of people who are also Tory voters, me for example (ok I can’t vote) who have issues about inheritance tax being cut.
A lot of Tory voters, or target voters, have worked their bollocks off but also mixed with people who haven’t, their friends and associates have pocketed money without any effort. They see very very stupid friends walking out with millions without any skills or brains and there is a British, and Danish, thing where people aren’t happy with people flashing it without earning it.
I have many friends who’ve inherited serious millions, some have worked hard to prove themselves worthy, some have been determined to use the money as a platform to outperform, some have used the money to do good, some are lazy fuckers who have no clue - and every time the ones who are the latter are the ones who treat waiters terribly, are entitled, have no direction or fear of what comes next.
There has to be an inheritance tax so nobody can just not contribute. Some wise soul said, I want to leave them enough to do something but not enough to do nothing.
A lot of people don’t understand that without a successful society arounfpd them, a stable society, their properties would be worthless, their shares worthless etc.
It’s not money the inheritors strived for and it was on the back of millions of people who struggled but accepted an unequal society. There needs to be a balance otherwise the ones who have nothing stop tolerating the others.
What I would like to do is put all inheritance tax in a year into a pot and dish it out in equal shares to all kids turning 18 in the following year. There's nothing wrong with inheritance, but it just shouldn't be going to less and less of the population each generation.
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Rishi being PM 2 years.
Next Tory gov 30 years.
No more than the shine is taken off a big Tory win if the Labour and Lib Dem votes combined are more than the Tory vote.
Tory 40%, Lab 25%, LD 16% is still a landslide Tory victory.
Lab 40%, Tory 25%, Refuk 16% is still a landslide Labour victory.
Heathener is Marina Hyde so enjoy her snark and fun.
That last episode of MASH is still the most watched episode of any TV series in US history. 121 Million people watched it.
I'd say Seinfeld was bigger in the 90s in the UK. Just a guess, be curious to see the data.
For anyone under 30 I'd expect to have heard of Seinfeld being more probable than TTMB, but it would be close as Seinfeld itself is also pretty niche nowadays.
Now if you said Friends or TTMB it wouldn't even be close. Friends all day, every day for anyone under 30.
Nazi gay islamic jewish communists are putting the sex-change chemicals in the *water*. The vaccines make you magnetic.
OPE
The "chicken" on the bus has to be one of the most chilling moments of TV I've ever seen.
If we had PR then minor parties voteshares would matter too and they would get seats accordingly but we don't
Talk about going backwards.
A Stamp Duty cut for a few first time buyers isn't going to make any significant difference to Tory voteshare.
If that is all Sunak and Hunt have bring back Theresa May I say, at least she managed to write a manifesto that got the Tories over 40% and over 300 seats not heading for near wipeout!
Neptune was the landing on the beaches
D-Day comes from the military code for dates and times. You never write down the details. Instead, the orders looked something like -
"On D-Day, at H-Hour, M-Minute, units {something} will land on Omaha, Sword, Gold and Juno, At H+1....." etc
The idea is that the vital information is in times and locations - which could then be tightly held, or changed and given late in the process.
Did the fact Milibands Labour and Clegg's Lib Dems got more votes combined than Cameron's Tories in 2015 take the shine off the Tories winning a majority?
No of course it did not.
Anyone pointing to combined totals of opposition parties is typically just a sore loser trying to console themselves.
https://www.gbnews.com/news/bev-turner-sits-down-with-connor-tomlinson-to-discuss-liz-truss-controversy-this-is-about-free-speech-right-vs-left
Someone earlier suggested it was the first time since 1970 that the Tories had failed to field a full slate of candidates in GB. Even in a total no-hoper of a seat, there’s always a keen youngster who wants to raise their profile.
Personally, I don't consider the Reform to get second most seats particularly attractive ay 13-1. I'm predicting absolute Tory meltdown, but I think Reform's v9te to be too thinly spread to benefit. I think the maim beneficiaries will be Labour. I got on Lab 500 seats+ at 20-1 but I don't know if it's still available.
Also for cooling nitration of toluene. But that's another story.
https://committees.westminster.gov.uk/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=20787
Might need to go on a course on effective political management first though
At the end of the day I paid for the rights for years but its absurd how expensive the cost is in this country, when you only get some of the rights, when you can pay relative peanuts abroad and get all of the rights.
If I could pay a package and get all of the rights with it all in one package, as you can abroad, then I would do so for the convenience of it.
But you can't. You're forced either to pirate half the games or miss them entirely despite paying an absolute bloody fortune for the rights.
And if you're going to pirate half, you may as well pirate all.
If a bit of piracy encourages the Premier League to fix the mess, then that'd be a good thing.
A lot of Tory voters, or target voters, have worked their bollocks off but also mixed with people who haven’t, their friends and associates have pocketed money without any effort. They see very very stupid friends walking out with millions without any skills or brains and there is a British, and Danish, thing where people aren’t happy with people flashing it without earning it.
I have many friends who’ve inherited serious millions, some have worked hard to prove themselves worthy, some have been determined to use the money as a platform to outperform, some have used the money to do good, some are lazy fuckers who have no clue - and every time the ones who are the latter are the ones who treat waiters terribly, are entitled, have no direction or fear of what comes next.
There has to be an inheritance tax so nobody can just not contribute. Some wise soul said, I want to leave them enough to do something but not enough to do nothing.
A lot of people don’t understand that without a successful society arounfpd them, a stable society, their properties would be worthless, their shares worthless etc.
It’s not money the inheritors strived for and it was on the back of millions of people who struggled but accepted an unequal society. There needs to be a balance otherwise the ones who have nothing stop tolerating the others.
Nobody was terrible, though Mordaunt was certainly not great. Flynn blew his dog whistles about as effectively as Farage blew his.
As Gabe Newell said once: Piracy is a customer service problem.
There is absolutely no chance that they would put pressure on the airports to reintroduce the bans. No Sir.
It's not as if the rents from such shops form a huge revenue stream for the airports.
65% of voters and 77% of Tory voters back raising the threshold above £325k
https://www.kingsleynapley.co.uk/our-news/press-releases/yougov-poll-shows-majority-of-public-now-supports-scrapping-iht-and-even-a-majority-of-labour-voters-oppose-raising-the-current-40-iht-rate
The left-right blocs on substantive issues are probably similar to how they were in the 90s.
Blackouts just don’t work any more in the internet era, and only encourage the streamers over the legitimate rights holders.
https://x.com/davidherdson/status/1799150726356103590?s=46
This guy says he reckons the full story has yet to come out.
Labour
Worker's Party
Green
Reform UK
What could possibly go wrong? Well done Tories.
https://x.com/WillReformUK/status/1799110792585052192
Didn’t happen.
This has been an appalling week for the Tories, but I wonder if Reform will really profit sustainably.
Do we have a list yet of PBers standing for election?
Mordaunt did surprisingly well, given the appalling wicket. Rayner was fluid annd imperious. Farage delivered some great lines but we’ve heard it all before.
The Welsh guy, Cooper and the Scottish guy were all fine.
The Green was totally cringe.
Doubt it changed a single vote, so on those grounds, Labour “won”.
Get a commission to analyse property transfer, cash/stock transfer, give it different levels that allow the originator of the wealth to support their progeny but also to reflect that their progeny had absolutely no input or skill in making it.
It’s the Succession thing. I remember watching succession and laughing where they were fighting the dad about what he did with the money as it was wha ie seen personally. You want to scream at them and say “ you didn’t make this money you entitled fuckers”. There has to be a balance between setting your family up with understanding it doesn’t happen if society doesn’t work. You can have an amazing house but it’s shit if there are no cleaners and gardeners. It’s great having money to eat out but pointless if there are no waiters or bar staff.
Yes they are fighting most seats but they seem to have found candidates in almost every seat in inner London where they have zero chance but not in what should be some prime targets for them like Epping Forest. Whoever was getting their candidates confirmed obviously is no master strategist
https://www.rotherhamadvertiser.co.uk/news/people/your-list-of-general-election-2024-candidates-for-rotherhams-three-seats-4658107
He knows exactly what he's doing.
If you really dislike inherited wealth you are likely voting Labour anyway or even Liberal, not for the Tories
Typical of 14 disastrous and devious years of Labour.
*Which is why HYUFD loves it, not entirely irrationally for him.
So Cameron not finding out until the last minute sounds plausible. I know he was backing Sunak earlier today but I suspect he’s privately seething just too much of a pro to vent this side of the election.
The 40% rates make it attractive for the seriously wealthy to plan around it.