Farage says it’s how healthcare is funded that makes the French system better than the UK.
ONS says…
“In 2017, the UK spent £2,989 per person on healthcare, which was around the median for members of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development: OECD (£2,913 per person).
“However, of the G7 group of large, developed economies, UK healthcare spending per person was the second-lowest, with the highest spenders being France (£3,737), Germany (£4,432) and the United States (£7,736).”
UK £2989 per person, France £3737 per person.
Compare life expectancies in those countries if you want proof of how the law of diminishing marginal returns applies to health spending.
Woooo! Cooper leading on the need to build social housing!
If this election ends with a flipping great yellow rash across Southern England then I'll be astonished if they aren't all militant nimbies. All in favour of smelly pleb housing, just somewhere else.
Bit of a problem having equal balance between 7 parties when 5 or 6 of them think the same thing about everything
Reform UK, Conservative, Labour and Green clearly don’t say the same thing. It’s just SNP and PC who think the same thing. I think there’s an argument that Plaid shouldn’t be there.
In the largest town in traditionally Tory East Wiltshire (it's a new seat, the old (Michael Ancram) Devizes seat, but without Devizes and with a bit more of the army on Salisbury Plain), Marlborough, I have seen one big "Winning Here" sign, outside the LibDem candidate's house, and two Labour posters in windows
I have not seen a single thing promoting the Tories or Danny Kruger, even at the two Tory town councillor ladies' houses on my route. They did have a stall at the market last week, but it seemed rather quiet
The Lib Dem candidate, David Kinnaird, is ex-Army. He might well be able to win over the new Salisbury Plain bits of the constituency. I haven't talked to enough people to elevate my knowledge above anecdata, but I haven't spoken to anyone who has met met him who wasn't impressed by him
The consensus in my little focus group is that he'd be a fine representative for the constituency in Parliament
I don't think it's likely that he'll win, but he might be value. What are the odds for East Wiltshire (or is it Wiltshire East)?
Pretty sure we've got East Wiltshire, SW Wiltshire, and Salisbury covered on here, let's see if we can get posters to cover all Wiltshire.
I thought Mordaunt was about to start stamping her foot and screaming. It was *that bad*
You must be watching a different debate to me.
She's going for Rayner's throat, but that's fine.
I'm fighting a different election you. As it would appear are practically everyone else in the country from the disconnect you seem to have with the reality of what is happening.
To be fair, and this is just unscientific feels, lefties seem much more into clapping and whooping for their side.its the inner righteousness that takes over their bodies.
Naturally enough tbf. When you're on the right side of history you can't help but feel happy about it ;-)
Penny looks bored. I asked what that awful look on her face was. Its boredom.
Or resignation. Or disengagement. Hard to be enthusiastic if you think you're going to be voted out in a few weeks, if that's what a combination of this disastrous campaign and intelligence from whatever is left of the Tory ground troops in her seat is telling her.
Farage’s stat on the number of people paying the 40p rate is remarkable if true.
I'm now in the 40p rate and I'm completely fine with it, I earn a decent wedge and happy to pay my fair share. I believe the old line "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is a good one to follow.
I've seen tonight more clearly than ever what I think is some of the roots of Farage's appeal. He's very good at giving the impression of spontaneous, righteous anger about to boil over, but simultaneously in a slightly laconic, ironic and indirect way that appeals to English sensibilities. Someone coming to him for the first time might not think his views were in fact unchanged for decades, or that the impressions of everyman righteousness, like a small shopowner who's suddenly had enough, rather than a child of privilege, and on the other hand spontaneity, aren't particularly accurate.
He’s your old family GP, he’s the chap in your pub who seems to have done well and is friendly and buys a round for the pub on a Friday night, he’s the country stockbroker who gives you the odd tip but otherwise is doing what he read in the FT. He’s able to walk into the garage and chat to the mechanics and the owner about different things, bit that evening he’s at the big house in the village for a drinks reception about some charity where he buys a watercolour for £500 because it’s not a big problem financially but it’s worth more for his standing. He’s been on a gentlemen’s yacht in the med before the flashy yachts ruined it and everyone nods even though they’ve never been anywhere near that med yacht world. He’s what a lot of English think you should be, hope to be but until he was being pumped up politically he wasn’t all that either. He’s a person Everyman in the counties wants to be, he talks “sense” in an “I’m not a racist but” way. He has answers to simple questions and difficult questions are dismissed as they aren’t difficult questions it’s just the blob who try and stop you asking or solving those questions. He’s a zeppelin - he’s appealing, slow, reminiscent of the good old days but forgets to tell everyone he’s going to burn them to death because he didn’t think about all the potential problems.
I thought Mordaunt was about to start stamping her foot and screaming. It was *that bad*
You must be watching a different debate to me.
She's going for Rayner's throat, but that's fine.
I'm fighting a different election you. As it would appear are practically everyone else in the country from the disconnect you seem to have with the reality of what is happening.
I am able to recognise the reality of what is happening and also not agree with your election choices at the same time.
Mordaunt says she is cutting taxes. Hussein asks if she is cutting taxes why are taxes going up?
Its this simple - and I hope that after the election the remaining PB Tories will get this. Its A Lie. People are not stupid. You can't put up taxes and then claim you are cutting taxes.
Whats next? The sky is green? Black is white? Stop treating us like fools?
Am I just biased in thinking Daisy Cooper is winning this so far?
Yes
Who’s your pick?
Probably Farage, sadly.
Yes, as I mentioned below ,he's pulled off the trick of looking like the leader of the nation of shopkeepers who's had enough, rather than a career and privileged opportunist.
I like Penny Mordaunt, but then this is a tough gig.
In the largest town in traditionally Tory East Wiltshire (it's a new seat, the old (Michael Ancram) Devizes seat, but without Devizes and with a bit more of the army on Salisbury Plain), Marlborough, I have seen one big "Winning Here" sign, outside the LibDem candidate's house, and two Labour posters in windows
I have not seen a single thing promoting the Tories or Danny Kruger, even at the two Tory town councillor ladies' houses on my route. They did have a stall at the market last week, but it seemed rather quiet
The Lib Dem candidate, David Kinnaird, is ex-Army. He might well be able to win over the new Salisbury Plain bits of the constituency. I haven't talked to enough people to elevate my knowledge above anecdata, but I haven't spoken to anyone who has met met him who wasn't impressed by him
The consensus in my little focus group is that he'd be a fine representative for the constituency in Parliament
I don't think it's likely that he'll win, but he might be value. What are the odds for East Wiltshire (or is it Wiltshire East)?
Pretty sure we've got East Wiltshire, SW Wiltshire, and Salisbury covered on here, let's see if we can get posters to cover all Wiltshire.
Well have you ever seen or heard Danny Kruger?
Yes, I've met him, he was quite polite. Not my cup of tea though.
I've seen tonight more clearly than ever what I think is some of the roots of Farage's appeal. He's very good at giving the impression of spontaneous, righteous anger about to boil over, but simultaneously in a slightly laconic, ironic and indirect way that appeals to English sensibilities. Someone coming to him for the first time might not think his views were in fact unchanged for decades, or that the impressions of everyman righteousness, like a small shopowner who's suddenly had enough, rather than a child of privilege, and on the other hand spontaneity, aren't particularly accurate.
He’s your old family GP, he’s the chap in your pub who seems to have done well and is friendly and buys a round for the pub on a Friday night, he’s the country stockbroker who gives you the odd tip but otherwise is doing what he read in the FT. He’s able to walk into the garage and chat to the mechanics and the owner about different things, bit that evening he’s at the big house in the village for a drinks reception about some charity where he buys a watercolour for £500 because it’s not a big problem financially but it’s worth more for his standing. He’s been on a gentlemen’s yacht in the med before the flashy yachts ruined it and everyone nods even though they’ve never been anywhere near that med yacht world. He’s what a lot of English think you should be, hope to be but until he was being pumped up politically he wasn’t all that either. He’s a person Everyman in the counties wants to be, he talks “sense” in an “I’m not a racist but” way. He has answers to simple questions and difficult questions are dismissed as they aren’t difficult questions it’s just the blob who try and stop you asking or solving those questions. He’s a zeppelin - he’s appealing, slow, reminiscent of the good old days but forgets to tell everyone he’s going to burn them to death because he didn’t think about all the potential problems.
And he has a large amount of Pampas Grass growing in his front garden, for some reason.
Mordaunt says she is cutting taxes. Hussein asks if she is cutting taxes why are taxes going up?
Its this simple - and I hope that after the election the remaining PB Tories will get this. Its A Lie. People are not stupid. You can't put up taxes and then claim you are cutting taxes.
Whats next? The sky is green? Black is white? Stop treating us like fools?
NHS waiting lists have gone down from 7.2m to 7.5m?
I've seen tonight more clearly than ever what I think is some of the roots of Farage's appeal. He's very good at giving the impression of spontaneous, righteous anger about to boil over, but simultaneously in a slightly laconic, ironic and indirect way that appeals to English sensibilities. Someone coming to him for the first time might not think his views were in fact unchanged for decades, or that the impressions of everyman righteousness, like a small shopowner who's suddenly had enough, rather than a child of privilege, and on the other hand spontaneity, aren't particularly accurate.
He’s your old family GP, he’s the chap in your pub who seems to have done well and is friendly and buys a round for the pub on a Friday night, he’s the country stockbroker who gives you the odd tip but otherwise is doing what he read in the FT. He’s able to walk into the garage and chat to the mechanics and the owner about different things, bit that evening he’s at the big house in the village for a drinks reception about some charity where he buys a watercolour for £500 because it’s not a big problem financially but it’s worth more for his standing. He’s been on a gentlemen’s yacht in the med before the flashy yachts ruined it and everyone nods even though they’ve never been anywhere near that med yacht world. He’s what a lot of English think you should be, hope to be but until he was being pumped up politically he wasn’t all that either. He’s a person Everyman in the counties wants to be, he talks “sense” in an “I’m not a racist but” way. He has answers to simple questions and difficult questions are dismissed as they aren’t difficult questions it’s just the blob who try and stop you asking or solving those questions. He’s a zeppelin - he’s appealing, slow, reminiscent of the good old days but forgets to tell everyone he’s going to burn them to death because he didn’t think about all the potential problems.
... And he looks sad while waving a train into a dark German forest.
I've seen tonight more clearly than ever what I think is some of the roots of Farage's appeal. He's very good at giving the impression of spontaneous, righteous anger about to boil over, but simultaneously in a slightly laconic, ironic and indirect way that appeals to English sensibilities. Someone coming to him for the first time might not think his views were in fact unchanged for decades, or that the impressions of everyman righteousness, like a small shopowner who's suddenly had enough, rather than a child of privilege, and on the other hand spontaneity, aren't particularly accurate.
He’s your old family GP, he’s the chap in your pub who seems to have done well and is friendly and buys a round for the pub on a Friday night, he’s the country stockbroker who gives you the odd tip but otherwise is doing what he read in the FT. He’s able to walk into the garage and chat to the mechanics and the owner about different things, bit that evening he’s at the big house in the village for a drinks reception about some charity where he buys a watercolour for £500 because it’s not a big problem financially but it’s worth more for his standing. He’s been on a gentlemen’s yacht in the med before the flashy yachts ruined it and everyone nods even though they’ve never been anywhere near that med yacht world. He’s what a lot of English think you should be, hope to be but until he was being pumped up politically he wasn’t all that either. He’s a person Everyman in the counties wants to be, he talks “sense” in an “I’m not a racist but” way. He has answers to simple questions and difficult questions are dismissed as they aren’t difficult questions it’s just the blob who try and stop you asking or solving those questions. He’s a zeppelin - he’s appealing, slow, reminiscent of the good old days but forgets to tell everyone he’s going to burn them to death because he didn’t think about all the potential problems.
And he has a large amount of Pampas Grass growing in his front garden, for some reason.
Not bothered if he has any sexual kinks because he’s never been a moralist on that front to be fair to him.
Mordaunt says she is cutting taxes. Hussein asks if she is cutting taxes why are taxes going up?
Its this simple - and I hope that after the election the remaining PB Tories will get this. Its A Lie. People are not stupid. You can't put up taxes and then claim you are cutting taxes.
Whats next? The sky is green? Black is white? Stop treating us like fools?
NHS waiting lists have gone down from 7.2m to 7.5m?
I thought Mordaunt was about to start stamping her foot and screaming. It was *that bad*
You must be watching a different debate to me.
She's going for Rayner's throat, but that's fine.
I'm fighting a different election you. As it would appear are practically everyone else in the country from the disconnect you seem to have with the reality of what is happening.
I am able to recognise the reality of what is happening and also not agree with your election choices at the same time.
Funny that.
Yes, I think everybody on here recognises you as the most detached and calmly rational person imaginable.
Mordaunt says she is cutting taxes. Hussein asks if she is cutting taxes why are taxes going up?
Its this simple - and I hope that after the election the remaining PB Tories will get this. Its A Lie. People are not stupid. You can't put up taxes and then claim you are cutting taxes.
Whats next? The sky is green? Black is white? Stop treating us like fools?
You've never really mastered double think have you? Its double-plus good.
With 7 runners, the polling on performance will broadly follow VI. Rayner will win, farage and mordant will vye for 2nd, the rest will get buttons. Meaningless with so many there, you hear what you want to hear
I've seen tonight more clearly than ever what I think is some of the roots of Farage's appeal. He's very good at giving the impression of spontaneous, righteous anger about to boil over, but simultaneously in a slightly laconic, ironic and indirect way that appeals to English sensibilities. Someone coming to him for the first time might not think his views were in fact unchanged for decades, or that the impressions of everyman righteousness, like a small shopowner who's suddenly had enough, rather than a child of privilege, and on the other hand spontaneity, aren't particularly accurate.
He’s your old family GP, he’s the chap in your pub who seems to have done well and is friendly and buys a round for the pub on a Friday night, he’s the country stockbroker who gives you the odd tip but otherwise is doing what he read in the FT. He’s able to walk into the garage and chat to the mechanics and the owner about different things, bit that evening he’s at the big house in the village for a drinks reception about some charity where he buys a watercolour for £500 because it’s not a big problem financially but it’s worth more for his standing. He’s been on a gentlemen’s yacht in the med before the flashy yachts ruined it and everyone nods even though they’ve never been anywhere near that med yacht world. He’s what a lot of English think you should be, hope to be but until he was being pumped up politically he wasn’t all that either. He’s a person Everyman in the counties wants to be, he talks “sense” in an “I’m not a racist but” way. He has answers to simple questions and difficult questions are dismissed as they aren’t difficult questions it’s just the blob who try and stop you asking or solving those questions. He’s a zeppelin - he’s appealing, slow, reminiscent of the good old days but forgets to tell everyone he’s going to burn them to death because he didn’t think about all the potential problems.
And he has a large amount of Pampas Grass growing in his front garden, for some reason.
Not bothered if he has any sexual kinks because he’s never been a moralist on that front to be fair to him.
Mordaunt says she is cutting taxes. Hussein asks if she is cutting taxes why are taxes going up?
Its this simple - and I hope that after the election the remaining PB Tories will get this. Its A Lie. People are not stupid. You can't put up taxes and then claim you are cutting taxes.
Whats next? The sky is green? Black is white? Stop treating us like fools?
You've never really mastered double think have you? Its double-plus good.
I'm from Lancashire. We talk straight. Yes I'm a wannabe politician but politics has to be based on reality. You can't just talk bollocks and hope to be serious about policy.
I wonder how many have switched this off as it is wholly depressing and frankly Mordaunt v Rayner is embarrassing to watch
I am amazed but Plaid doing best for me
All Conservatives end up voting for Plaid eventually First HYUFD, now you. Casino will be along before long, pushing leaflets through doors in Treforest, sporting a little daffodil lapel pin, greeting people with a cheery "arrite butt?"
Farage’s stat on the number of people paying the 40p rate is remarkable if true.
I'm now in the 40p rate and I'm completely fine with it, I earn a decent wedge and happy to pay my fair share. I believe the old line "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is a good one to follow.
Don’t forget that your employer is paying 13.8% NI on top of your salary for the privilege of employing you. Real income tax rates on employment are punishingly high in this country, especially for those making student loan payments (effectively a graduate tax), for whom the marginal rate (assuming a higher rate tax payer & including employers NI) is approx 63%. Even more if you’re paying off a post-grad loan as well.
We have become a high tax country with shitty public services.
Did they really schedule the debate for when both England and Scotland are playing football?
Not going by the first half at Hamden. No football of any note played so far.
Not much at Wembley either, at least not by the home side.
I just dropped my wife to the airport for a work trip, am now in the pub watching England on one screen, Scotland on another, and there’s an Irish band supplying the soundtrack. No political debate in sight. Cheers! 🍺
Farage’s stat on the number of people paying the 40p rate is remarkable if true.
I'm now in the 40p rate and I'm completely fine with it, I earn a decent wedge and happy to pay my fair share. I believe the old line "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is a good one to follow.
Don’t forget that your employer is paying 13.8% NI on top of your salary for the privilege of employing you. Real income tax rates on employment are punishingly high in this country, especially for those making student loan payments (effectively a graduate tax), for whom the marginal rate (assuming a higher rate tax payer & including employers NI) is approx 63%. Even more if you’re paying off a post-grad loan as well.
We have become a high tax country with shitty public services.
and once again Farage picks out something he knows will get votes - he is some performer
Farage’s stat on the number of people paying the 40p rate is remarkable if true.
I'm now in the 40p rate and I'm completely fine with it, I earn a decent wedge and happy to pay my fair share. I believe the old line "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is a good one to follow.
Don’t forget that your employer is paying 13.8% NI on top of your salary for the privilege of employing you. Real income tax rates on employment are punishingly high in this country, especially for those making student loan payments (effectively a graduate tax), for whom the marginal rate (assuming a higher rate tax payer & including employers NI) is approx 63%. Even more if you’re paying off a post-grad loan as well.
We have become a high tax country with shitty public services.
Since when does the employers NI reduce your disposable income?
Farage’s stat on the number of people paying the 40p rate is remarkable if true.
I'm now in the 40p rate and I'm completely fine with it, I earn a decent wedge and happy to pay my fair share. I believe the old line "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is a good one to follow.
Don’t forget that your employer is paying 13.8% NI on top of your salary for the privilege of employing you. Real income tax rates on employment are punishingly high in this country, especially for those making student loan payments (effectively a graduate tax), for whom the marginal rate (assuming a higher rate tax payer & including employers NI) is approx 63%. Even more if you’re paying off a post-grad loan as well.
We have become a high tax country with shitty public services.
and once again Farage picks out something he know will get votes - he is some performer
He proposed scrapping the NHS, he's literally assaulted the nations golden calf.
Mordaunt says she is cutting taxes. Hussein asks if she is cutting taxes why are taxes going up?
Its this simple - and I hope that after the election the remaining PB Tories will get this. Its A Lie. People are not stupid. You can't put up taxes and then claim you are cutting taxes.
Whats next? The sky is green? Black is white? Stop treating us like fools?
You've never really mastered double think have you? Its double-plus good.
I'm from Lancashire. We talk straight. Yes I'm a wannabe politician but politics has to be based on reality. You can't just talk bollocks and hope to be serious about policy.
I wonder how many have switched this off as it is wholly depressing and frankly Mordaunt v Rayner is embarrassing to watch
I am amazed but Plaid doing best for me
All Conservatives end up voting for Plaid eventually First HYUFD, now you. Casino will be along before long, pushing leaflets through doors in Treforest, sporting a little daffodil lapel pin, greeting people with a cheery "arrite butt?"
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Neither is Harry Kane....
She's going for Rayner's throat, but that's fine.
Farage is articulate as ever but, and again maybe this is my bias, he just seems a bit old hat. The far right needs a young new fresh faced leader.
Funny that.
Its this simple - and I hope that after the election the remaining PB Tories will get this. Its A Lie. People are not stupid. You can't put up taxes and then claim you are cutting taxes.
Whats next? The sky is green? Black is white? Stop treating us like fools?
I like Penny Mordaunt, but then this is a tough gig.
(...and also doing a spot of "politics doesn't work" demagoguery)
Oh, you mean the shouty one? She isn't a Tory is she. None of you are. Hence the slide to your coming extinction.
Its why our football team doesn't lose to the likes of Iceland.
But I guess Farage is trying to tap into the psychological annoyance that happens as the income you get per hour falls as you do more work.
I'm not actually watching the seven political dwarfs.
"It's in ourr DNA as Conservadives."
I wonder how many have switched this off as it is wholly depressing and frankly Mordaunt v Rayner is embarrassing to watch
I am amazed but Plaid doing best for me
Watch: @PennyMordaunt admits the Tories have raised your taxes to the highest level in 70 years.
https://x.com/UKLabour/status/1799160509830406224
I think Penny started it from the get-go. Far too aggressive and shrill with all the finger wagging. Such a turn off.
First HYUFD, now you. Casino will be along before long, pushing leaflets through doors in Treforest, sporting a little daffodil lapel pin, greeting people with a cheery "arrite butt?"
We have become a high tax country with shitty public services.
I just dropped my wife to the airport for a work trip, am now in the pub watching England on one screen, Scotland on another, and there’s an Irish band supplying the soundtrack. No political debate in sight. Cheers! 🍺
But overall doesn't it make us all despair at the quality of our politicians