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    AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,854
    Could people stop shouting? Thanks awfully.
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    bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 9,169
    Mordaunt shouting and everyone laughing at her.
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    DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,048
    I didn't want Mishal to stop that Angie/Penny fight.
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    pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,767

    Woooo! Cooper leading on the need to build social housing!

    If this election ends with a flipping great yellow rash across Southern England then I'll be astonished if they aren't all militant nimbies. All in favour of smelly pleb housing, just somewhere else.
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,399

    Could people stop shouting? Thanks awfully.

    I thought Mordaunt was about to start stamping her foot and screaming. It was *that bad*
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    DoubleDutchDoubleDutch Posts: 161

    "No one is covering themselves in glory, put it that way...."

    Neither is Harry Kane....

    I put the debate back on for a few minutes but it was still Penny Mordaunt wagging her finger and shouting. Tedious.
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    DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,048
    maaarsh said:

    Bit of a problem having equal balance between 7 parties when 5 or 6 of them think the same thing about everything

    But they don't, otherwise they would be in the same party.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 58,106
    TimS said:

    Am I just biased in thinking Daisy Cooper is winning this so far?

    Yes
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    AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,367
    Farage talking about people who've "opted just not to work"... what, pensioners?
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    AbandonedHopeAbandonedHope Posts: 136

    Has Mordaunt had voice coaching? Her voice is weirdly mid Atlantic.

    I don’t wish to belabour the point but she does sound a bit… Hillary.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 58,106

    Could people stop shouting? Thanks awfully.

    I thought Mordaunt was about to start stamping her foot and screaming. It was *that bad*
    You must be watching a different debate to me.

    She's going for Rayner's throat, but that's fine.
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    DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,048
    Is Farage on the same planet as me, "the more you earn the less disposable income you have"
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,032
    AlsoLei said:

    Farage talking about people who've "opted just not to work"... what, pensioners?

    Like Farage, since he ceased to be an MEP?
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    TimSTimS Posts: 11,410

    "No one is covering themselves in glory, put it that way...."

    Neither is Harry Kane....

    I put the debate back on for a few minutes but it was still Penny Mordaunt wagging her finger and shouting. Tedious.
    She’s not doing her leadership ambitions any good.

    Farage is articulate as ever but, and again maybe this is my bias, he just seems a bit old hat. The far right needs a young new fresh faced leader.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 58,106

    "No one is covering themselves in glory, put it that way...."

    Neither is Harry Kane....

    I put the debate back on for a few minutes but it was still Penny Mordaunt wagging her finger and shouting. Tedious.
    How remarkable that so many regular non-Tory posters don't like it when a Tory is on.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,247
    "the only winning move is not to play."
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,758
    Farage’s stat on the number of people paying the 40p rate is remarkable if true.
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    TimSTimS Posts: 11,410

    TimS said:

    Am I just biased in thinking Daisy Cooper is winning this so far?

    Yes
    Who’s your pick?
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,818

    Woooo! Cooper leading on the need to build social housing!

    But not where the LibDems are trying to get votes.
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    bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 9,169
    maaarsh said:

    Bit of a problem having equal balance between 7 parties when 5 or 6 of them think the same thing about everything

    Reform UK, Conservative, Labour and Green clearly don’t say the same thing. It’s just SNP and PC who think the same thing. I think there’s an argument that Plaid shouldn’t be there.
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    DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,048
    Flynn "You need to ignore the snake-oil merchants that brought you Brexit"
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    nico679nico679 Posts: 5,671
    It’s looking a bit grim for Penny now. She almost looks close to tears .
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 52,540
    tlg86 said:

    Farage’s stat on the number of people paying the 40p rate is remarkable if true.

    Nobody in Scotland for a start.
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    sbjme19sbjme19 Posts: 193
    kle4 said:

    In the largest town in traditionally Tory East Wiltshire (it's a new seat, the old (Michael Ancram) Devizes seat, but without Devizes and with a bit more of the army on Salisbury Plain), Marlborough, I have seen one big "Winning Here" sign, outside the LibDem candidate's house, and two Labour posters in windows

    I have not seen a single thing promoting the Tories or Danny Kruger, even at the two Tory town councillor ladies' houses on my route. They did have a stall at the market last week, but it seemed rather quiet

    The Lib Dem candidate, David Kinnaird, is ex-Army. He might well be able to win over the new Salisbury Plain bits of the constituency. I haven't talked to enough people to elevate my knowledge above anecdata, but I haven't spoken to anyone who has met met him who wasn't impressed by him

    The consensus in my little focus group is that he'd be a fine representative for the constituency in Parliament

    I don't think it's likely that he'll win, but he might be value. What are the odds for East Wiltshire (or is it Wiltshire East)?

    Pretty sure we've got East Wiltshire, SW Wiltshire, and Salisbury covered on here, let's see if we can get posters to cover all Wiltshire.
    Well have you ever seen or heard Danny Kruger?
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,818
    DM_Andy said:

    Is Farage on the same planet as me, "the more you earn the less disposable income you have"

    Presumably he means that marginal rates of tax tend to increase with greater earnings.
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,399

    Could people stop shouting? Thanks awfully.

    I thought Mordaunt was about to start stamping her foot and screaming. It was *that bad*
    You must be watching a different debate to me.

    She's going for Rayner's throat, but that's fine.
    I'm fighting a different election you. As it would appear are practically everyone else in the country from the disconnect you seem to have with the reality of what is happening.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,758
    DavidL said:

    tlg86 said:

    Farage’s stat on the number of people paying the 40p rate is remarkable if true.

    Nobody in Scotland for a start.
    Surely your good self!
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 33,915
    edited June 7
    boulay said:

    Not much support for Nigel among the audience...

    To be fair, and this is just unscientific feels, lefties seem much more into clapping and whooping for their side.its the inner righteousness that takes over their bodies.
    Naturally enough tbf. When you're on the right side of history you can't help but feel happy about it ;-)
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    bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 9,169
    nico679 said:

    It’s looking a bit grim for Penny now. She almost looks close to tears .

    I think that’s just the lighting, but it really does look that way!
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    pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,767

    Penny looks bored. I asked what that awful look on her face was. Its boredom.

    Or resignation. Or disengagement. Hard to be enthusiastic if you think you're going to be voted out in a few weeks, if that's what a combination of this disastrous campaign and intelligence from whatever is left of the Tory ground troops in her seat is telling her.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 58,106
    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    Am I just biased in thinking Daisy Cooper is winning this so far?

    Yes
    Who’s your pick?
    Probably Farage, sadly.
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    DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,048
    tlg86 said:

    Farage’s stat on the number of people paying the 40p rate is remarkable if true.

    I'm now in the 40p rate and I'm completely fine with it, I earn a decent wedge and happy to pay my fair share. I believe the old line "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is a good one to follow.
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    AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,367
    This moderator is so much better than the ITV one.
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    boulayboulay Posts: 5,085

    I've seen tonight more clearly than ever what I think is some of the roots of Farage's appeal.
    He's very good at giving the impression of spontaneous, righteous anger about to boil over, but simultaneously in a slightly laconic, ironic and indirect way that appeals to English sensibilities. Someone coming to him for the first time might not think his views were in fact unchanged for decades, or that the impressions of everyman righteousness, like a small shopowner who's suddenly had enough, rather than a child of privilege, and on the other hand spontaneity, aren't particularly accurate.

    He’s your old family GP, he’s the chap in your pub who seems to have done well and is friendly and buys a round for the pub on a Friday night, he’s the country stockbroker who gives you the odd tip but otherwise is doing what he read in the FT. He’s able to walk into the garage and chat to the mechanics and the owner about different things, bit that evening he’s at the big house in the village for a drinks reception about some charity where he buys a watercolour for £500 because it’s not a big problem financially but it’s worth more for his standing. He’s been on a gentlemen’s yacht in the med before the flashy yachts ruined it and everyone nods even though they’ve never been anywhere near that med yacht world. He’s what a lot of English think you should be, hope to be but until he was being pumped up politically he wasn’t all that either. He’s a person Everyman in the counties wants to be, he talks “sense” in an “I’m not a racist but” way. He has answers to simple questions and difficult questions are dismissed as they aren’t difficult questions it’s just the blob who try and stop you asking or solving those questions. He’s a zeppelin - he’s appealing, slow, reminiscent of the good old days but forgets to tell everyone he’s going to burn them to death because he didn’t think about all the potential problems.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 58,106

    Could people stop shouting? Thanks awfully.

    I thought Mordaunt was about to start stamping her foot and screaming. It was *that bad*
    You must be watching a different debate to me.

    She's going for Rayner's throat, but that's fine.
    I'm fighting a different election you. As it would appear are practically everyone else in the country from the disconnect you seem to have with the reality of what is happening.
    I am able to recognise the reality of what is happening and also not agree with your election choices at the same time.

    Funny that.
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    DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,048

    DM_Andy said:

    Is Farage on the same planet as me, "the more you earn the less disposable income you have"

    Presumably he means that marginal rates of tax tend to increase with greater earnings.
    Yes, but that doesn't reduce your disposable income, we don't have over 100% marginal rates.
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,399
    Mordaunt says she is cutting taxes. Hussein asks if she is cutting taxes why are taxes going up?

    Its this simple - and I hope that after the election the remaining PB Tories will get this. Its A Lie. People are not stupid. You can't put up taxes and then claim you are cutting taxes.

    Whats next? The sky is green? Black is white? Stop treating us like fools?
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    WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 8,739
    edited June 7

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    Am I just biased in thinking Daisy Cooper is winning this so far?

    Yes
    Who’s your pick?
    Probably Farage, sadly.
    Yes, as I mentioned below ,he's pulled off the trick of looking like the leader of the nation of shopkeepers who's had enough, rather than a career and privileged opportunist.

    I like Penny Mordaunt, but then this is a tough gig.
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    londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,532
    tlg86 said:

    DavidL said:

    tlg86 said:

    Farage’s stat on the number of people paying the 40p rate is remarkable if true.

    Nobody in Scotland for a start.
    Surely your good self!
    There's no 40% rate in Scotland! It has a sort of 42% equivalent. @DavidL is better placed to clarify
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 94,460
    sbjme19 said:

    kle4 said:

    In the largest town in traditionally Tory East Wiltshire (it's a new seat, the old (Michael Ancram) Devizes seat, but without Devizes and with a bit more of the army on Salisbury Plain), Marlborough, I have seen one big "Winning Here" sign, outside the LibDem candidate's house, and two Labour posters in windows

    I have not seen a single thing promoting the Tories or Danny Kruger, even at the two Tory town councillor ladies' houses on my route. They did have a stall at the market last week, but it seemed rather quiet

    The Lib Dem candidate, David Kinnaird, is ex-Army. He might well be able to win over the new Salisbury Plain bits of the constituency. I haven't talked to enough people to elevate my knowledge above anecdata, but I haven't spoken to anyone who has met met him who wasn't impressed by him

    The consensus in my little focus group is that he'd be a fine representative for the constituency in Parliament

    I don't think it's likely that he'll win, but he might be value. What are the odds for East Wiltshire (or is it Wiltshire East)?

    Pretty sure we've got East Wiltshire, SW Wiltshire, and Salisbury covered on here, let's see if we can get posters to cover all Wiltshire.
    Well have you ever seen or heard Danny Kruger?
    Yes, I've met him, he was quite polite. Not my cup of tea though.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 49,774

    Has Mordaunt had voice coaching? Her voice is weirdly mid Atlantic.

    I don’t wish to belabour the point but she does sound a bit… Hillary.
    "I could have stayed home and baked cookies instead of coming here tonight."

    image
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    AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,367
    Farage calling for PR!

    (...and also doing a spot of "politics doesn't work" demagoguery)
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    TimSTimS Posts: 11,410

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    Am I just biased in thinking Daisy Cooper is winning this so far?

    Yes
    Who’s your pick?
    Probably Farage, sadly.
    The funny thing about his charisma is that it means everyone’s keying him speaking and nobody is interrupting. It’s remarkable!
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,399

    "No one is covering themselves in glory, put it that way...."

    Neither is Harry Kane....

    I put the debate back on for a few minutes but it was still Penny Mordaunt wagging her finger and shouting. Tedious.
    How remarkable that so many regular non-Tory posters don't like it when a Tory is on.
    Oh I dunno. I don't like Nigel's politics but he is direct and to the point.

    Oh, you mean the shouty one? She isn't a Tory is she. None of you are. Hence the slide to your coming extinction.
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    bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 9,169
    Farage arguing for proportional representation! I hope Cooper jumps in to agree with him.
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    CiceroCicero Posts: 2,873
    boulay said:

    I've seen tonight more clearly than ever what I think is some of the roots of Farage's appeal.
    He's very good at giving the impression of spontaneous, righteous anger about to boil over, but simultaneously in a slightly laconic, ironic and indirect way that appeals to English sensibilities. Someone coming to him for the first time might not think his views were in fact unchanged for decades, or that the impressions of everyman righteousness, like a small shopowner who's suddenly had enough, rather than a child of privilege, and on the other hand spontaneity, aren't particularly accurate.

    He’s your old family GP, he’s the chap in your pub who seems to have done well and is friendly and buys a round for the pub on a Friday night, he’s the country stockbroker who gives you the odd tip but otherwise is doing what he read in the FT. He’s able to walk into the garage and chat to the mechanics and the owner about different things, bit that evening he’s at the big house in the village for a drinks reception about some charity where he buys a watercolour for £500 because it’s not a big problem financially but it’s worth more for his standing. He’s been on a gentlemen’s yacht in the med before the flashy yachts ruined it and everyone nods even though they’ve never been anywhere near that med yacht world. He’s what a lot of English think you should be, hope to be but until he was being pumped up politically he wasn’t all that either. He’s a person Everyman in the counties wants to be, he talks “sense” in an “I’m not a racist but” way. He has answers to simple questions and difficult questions are dismissed as they aren’t difficult questions it’s just the blob who try and stop you asking or solving those questions. He’s a zeppelin - he’s appealing, slow, reminiscent of the good old days but forgets to tell everyone he’s going to burn them to death because he didn’t think about all the potential problems.
    And he has a large amount of Pampas Grass growing in his front garden, for some reason.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 52,540
    edited June 7
    tlg86 said:

    DavidL said:

    tlg86 said:

    Farage’s stat on the number of people paying the 40p rate is remarkable if true.

    Nobody in Scotland for a start.
    Surely your good self!
    Nope being Scottish (and with such an outstanding cricket team) is such a privilege we pay a premium on the 40p rate for the privilege.

    Its why our football team doesn't lose to the likes of Iceland.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 33,915

    Mordaunt says she is cutting taxes. Hussein asks if she is cutting taxes why are taxes going up?

    Its this simple - and I hope that after the election the remaining PB Tories will get this. Its A Lie. People are not stupid. You can't put up taxes and then claim you are cutting taxes.

    Whats next? The sky is green? Black is white? Stop treating us like fools?

    NHS waiting lists have gone down from 7.2m to 7.5m?
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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,450
    DM_Andy said:

    DM_Andy said:

    Is Farage on the same planet as me, "the more you earn the less disposable income you have"

    Presumably he means that marginal rates of tax tend to increase with greater earnings.
    Yes, but that doesn't reduce your disposable income, we don't have over 100% marginal rates.
    Yes we do. No one with kids earns between 100-115k unless they're borderline braindead.
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    ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,247
    boulay said:

    I've seen tonight more clearly than ever what I think is some of the roots of Farage's appeal.
    He's very good at giving the impression of spontaneous, righteous anger about to boil over, but simultaneously in a slightly laconic, ironic and indirect way that appeals to English sensibilities. Someone coming to him for the first time might not think his views were in fact unchanged for decades, or that the impressions of everyman righteousness, like a small shopowner who's suddenly had enough, rather than a child of privilege, and on the other hand spontaneity, aren't particularly accurate.

    He’s your old family GP, he’s the chap in your pub who seems to have done well and is friendly and buys a round for the pub on a Friday night, he’s the country stockbroker who gives you the odd tip but otherwise is doing what he read in the FT. He’s able to walk into the garage and chat to the mechanics and the owner about different things, bit that evening he’s at the big house in the village for a drinks reception about some charity where he buys a watercolour for £500 because it’s not a big problem financially but it’s worth more for his standing. He’s been on a gentlemen’s yacht in the med before the flashy yachts ruined it and everyone nods even though they’ve never been anywhere near that med yacht world. He’s what a lot of English think you should be, hope to be but until he was being pumped up politically he wasn’t all that either. He’s a person Everyman in the counties wants to be, he talks “sense” in an “I’m not a racist but” way. He has answers to simple questions and difficult questions are dismissed as they aren’t difficult questions it’s just the blob who try and stop you asking or solving those questions. He’s a zeppelin - he’s appealing, slow, reminiscent of the good old days but forgets to tell everyone he’s going to burn them to death because he didn’t think about all the potential problems.
    ... And he looks sad while waving a train into a dark German forest.
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    boulayboulay Posts: 5,085
    I’ve decided I think Hearhene
    Cicero said:

    boulay said:

    I've seen tonight more clearly than ever what I think is some of the roots of Farage's appeal.
    He's very good at giving the impression of spontaneous, righteous anger about to boil over, but simultaneously in a slightly laconic, ironic and indirect way that appeals to English sensibilities. Someone coming to him for the first time might not think his views were in fact unchanged for decades, or that the impressions of everyman righteousness, like a small shopowner who's suddenly had enough, rather than a child of privilege, and on the other hand spontaneity, aren't particularly accurate.

    He’s your old family GP, he’s the chap in your pub who seems to have done well and is friendly and buys a round for the pub on a Friday night, he’s the country stockbroker who gives you the odd tip but otherwise is doing what he read in the FT. He’s able to walk into the garage and chat to the mechanics and the owner about different things, bit that evening he’s at the big house in the village for a drinks reception about some charity where he buys a watercolour for £500 because it’s not a big problem financially but it’s worth more for his standing. He’s been on a gentlemen’s yacht in the med before the flashy yachts ruined it and everyone nods even though they’ve never been anywhere near that med yacht world. He’s what a lot of English think you should be, hope to be but until he was being pumped up politically he wasn’t all that either. He’s a person Everyman in the counties wants to be, he talks “sense” in an “I’m not a racist but” way. He has answers to simple questions and difficult questions are dismissed as they aren’t difficult questions it’s just the blob who try and stop you asking or solving those questions. He’s a zeppelin - he’s appealing, slow, reminiscent of the good old days but forgets to tell everyone he’s going to burn them to death because he didn’t think about all the potential problems.
    And he has a large amount of Pampas Grass growing in his front garden, for some reason.
    Not bothered if he has any sexual kinks because he’s never been a moralist on that front to be fair to him.
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    nico679nico679 Posts: 5,671
    Penny for the love of God enough with the 2,000 pound figure !
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,018
    My Spidey sense is that Cooper and Farage are doing best
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    TimSTimS Posts: 11,410
    Probably a good debate for Sunak tonight.
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    ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,247

    Mordaunt says she is cutting taxes. Hussein asks if she is cutting taxes why are taxes going up?

    Its this simple - and I hope that after the election the remaining PB Tories will get this. Its A Lie. People are not stupid. You can't put up taxes and then claim you are cutting taxes.

    Whats next? The sky is green? Black is white? Stop treating us like fools?

    NHS waiting lists have gone down from 7.2m to 7.5m?
    That's the Rishi spirit!
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    bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 9,169
    Denyer talks a good talk, and nobody bothers attacking her, so she comes out looking good.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 33,915
    TimS said:

    Probably a good debate for Sunak tonight.

    Really?
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 51,731
    Did they really schedule the debate for when both England and Scotland are playing football?
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,818
    DM_Andy said:

    DM_Andy said:

    Is Farage on the same planet as me, "the more you earn the less disposable income you have"

    Presumably he means that marginal rates of tax tend to increase with greater earnings.
    Yes, but that doesn't reduce your disposable income, we don't have over 100% marginal rates.
    Sure.

    But I guess Farage is trying to tap into the psychological annoyance that happens as the income you get per hour falls as you do more work.

    I'm not actually watching the seven political dwarfs.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 52,540

    Mordaunt says she is cutting taxes. Hussein asks if she is cutting taxes why are taxes going up?

    Its this simple - and I hope that after the election the remaining PB Tories will get this. Its A Lie. People are not stupid. You can't put up taxes and then claim you are cutting taxes.

    Whats next? The sky is green? Black is white? Stop treating us like fools?

    You've never really mastered double think have you? Its double-plus good.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 49,774
    Mordaunt really does have a bit of an American drawl.

    "It's in ourr DNA as Conservadives."
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 9,946
    With 7 runners, the polling on performance will broadly follow VI. Rayner will win, farage and mordant will vye for 2nd, the rest will get buttons. Meaningless with so many there, you hear what you want to hear
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 61,210
    Good evening

    I wonder how many have switched this off as it is wholly depressing and frankly Mordaunt v Rayner is embarrassing to watch

    I am amazed but Plaid doing best for me
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 34,982
    @UKLabour

    Watch: @PennyMordaunt admits the Tories have raised your taxes to the highest level in 70 years.

    https://x.com/UKLabour/status/1799160509830406224
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    boulayboulay Posts: 5,085

    Mordaunt really does have a bit of an American drawl.

    "It's in ourr DNA as Conservadives."

    She got next Mayor of London sewn up then.
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    bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 9,169
    I think the Plaid guy is good, although again no-one bothers attacking him, so he’s got an easier ride.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,028

    Penny Mordaunt is sinking fast.

    Is Penny going down on Onlyfans?
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    DoubleDutchDoubleDutch Posts: 161
    Daisy Cooper is pretty good
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 49,774

    Penny Mordaunt is sinking fast.

    Is Penny going down on Onlyfans?
    Did she bring a milkshake on stage?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 94,460
    Scott_xP said:

    @UKLabour

    Watch: @PennyMordaunt admits the Tories have raised your taxes to the highest level in 70 years.

    https://x.com/UKLabour/status/1799160509830406224

    Is anyone planning to reduce them?
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    nico679nico679 Posts: 5,671

    Good evening

    I wonder how many have switched this off as it is wholly depressing and frankly Mordaunt v Rayner is embarrassing to watch

    I am amazed but Plaid doing best for me

    Mordaunt has been the one who refuses to shut up . I think Rayner has been quite calm given the circumstances.
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    CiceroCicero Posts: 2,873
    boulay said:

    I’ve decided I think Hearhene

    Cicero said:

    boulay said:

    I've seen tonight more clearly than ever what I think is some of the roots of Farage's appeal.
    He's very good at giving the impression of spontaneous, righteous anger about to boil over, but simultaneously in a slightly laconic, ironic and indirect way that appeals to English sensibilities. Someone coming to him for the first time might not think his views were in fact unchanged for decades, or that the impressions of everyman righteousness, like a small shopowner who's suddenly had enough, rather than a child of privilege, and on the other hand spontaneity, aren't particularly accurate.

    He’s your old family GP, he’s the chap in your pub who seems to have done well and is friendly and buys a round for the pub on a Friday night, he’s the country stockbroker who gives you the odd tip but otherwise is doing what he read in the FT. He’s able to walk into the garage and chat to the mechanics and the owner about different things, bit that evening he’s at the big house in the village for a drinks reception about some charity where he buys a watercolour for £500 because it’s not a big problem financially but it’s worth more for his standing. He’s been on a gentlemen’s yacht in the med before the flashy yachts ruined it and everyone nods even though they’ve never been anywhere near that med yacht world. He’s what a lot of English think you should be, hope to be but until he was being pumped up politically he wasn’t all that either. He’s a person Everyman in the counties wants to be, he talks “sense” in an “I’m not a racist but” way. He has answers to simple questions and difficult questions are dismissed as they aren’t difficult questions it’s just the blob who try and stop you asking or solving those questions. He’s a zeppelin - he’s appealing, slow, reminiscent of the good old days but forgets to tell everyone he’s going to burn them to death because he didn’t think about all the potential problems.
    And he has a large amount of Pampas Grass growing in his front garden, for some reason.
    Not bothered if he has any sexual kinks because he’s never been a moralist on that front to be fair to him.
    How very dare you... :smile:
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    DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,048
    maaarsh said:

    DM_Andy said:

    DM_Andy said:

    Is Farage on the same planet as me, "the more you earn the less disposable income you have"

    Presumably he means that marginal rates of tax tend to increase with greater earnings.
    Yes, but that doesn't reduce your disposable income, we don't have over 100% marginal rates.
    Yes we do. No one with kids earns between 100-115k unless they're borderline braindead.
    Fair enough, if you have 4 kids or more, but that's not the general rule like Farage suggested.
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    DoubleDutchDoubleDutch Posts: 161

    Good evening

    I wonder how many have switched this off as it is wholly depressing and frankly Mordaunt v Rayner is embarrassing to watch

    I am amazed but Plaid doing best for me

    Agreed. Mordaunt v Rayner is awful.

    I think Penny started it from the get-go. Far too aggressive and shrill with all the finger wagging. Such a turn off.
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    TimSTimS Posts: 11,410

    TimS said:

    Probably a good debate for Sunak tonight.

    Really?
    Yes. Because Penny isn’t showing herself much of a great alternative.
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,399
    edited June 7
    DavidL said:

    Mordaunt says she is cutting taxes. Hussein asks if she is cutting taxes why are taxes going up?

    Its this simple - and I hope that after the election the remaining PB Tories will get this. Its A Lie. People are not stupid. You can't put up taxes and then claim you are cutting taxes.

    Whats next? The sky is green? Black is white? Stop treating us like fools?

    You've never really mastered double think have you? Its double-plus good.
    I'm from Lancashire. We talk straight. Yes I'm a wannabe politician but politics has to be based on reality. You can't just talk bollocks and hope to be serious about policy.
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    bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 9,169
    Farage attacking net zero and criticising wind power. He probably learnt about wind power from his friend Trump.
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    DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,048
    Carla Denyer points out her home city is Bristol. One tick on her notes.
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    AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,854

    Mordaunt really does have a bit of an American drawl.

    "It's in ourr DNA as Conservadives."

    She sounds like Gary Davies on Top of The Pops.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 30,246
    edited June 7

    Good evening

    I wonder how many have switched this off as it is wholly depressing and frankly Mordaunt v Rayner is embarrassing to watch

    I am amazed but Plaid doing best for me

    Only just switched on because I guessed it wouldn't be that impressive.
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    DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,048
    Flynn: Scotland owns all the weather.
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 9,946
    edited June 7

    Good evening

    I wonder how many have switched this off as it is wholly depressing and frankly Mordaunt v Rayner is embarrassing to watch

    I am amazed but Plaid doing best for me

    Agreed. Mordaunt v Rayner is awful.

    I think Penny started it from the get-go. Far too aggressive and shrill with all the finger wagging. Such a turn off.
    Piers Morgan has a massive stiffy for it.
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    state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,705
    edited June 7
    Phil said:

    DM_Andy said:

    tlg86 said:

    Farage’s stat on the number of people paying the 40p rate is remarkable if true.

    I'm now in the 40p rate and I'm completely fine with it, I earn a decent wedge and happy to pay my fair share. I believe the old line "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is a good one to follow.
    Don’t forget that your employer is paying 13.8% NI on top of your salary for the privilege of employing you. Real income tax rates on employment are punishingly high in this country, especially for those making student loan payments (effectively a graduate tax), for whom the marginal rate (assuming a higher rate tax payer & including employers NI) is approx 63%. Even more if you’re paying off a post-grad loan as well.

    We have become a high tax country with shitty public services.
    and once again Farage picks out something he knows will get votes - he is some performer
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 61,210
    The losers tonight for me are Mordaunt, Rayner, and Farage

    But overall doesn't it make us all despair at the quality of our politicians
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    DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,048
    Phil said:

    DM_Andy said:

    tlg86 said:

    Farage’s stat on the number of people paying the 40p rate is remarkable if true.

    I'm now in the 40p rate and I'm completely fine with it, I earn a decent wedge and happy to pay my fair share. I believe the old line "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is a good one to follow.
    Don’t forget that your employer is paying 13.8% NI on top of your salary for the privilege of employing you. Real income tax rates on employment are punishingly high in this country, especially for those making student loan payments (effectively a graduate tax), for whom the marginal rate (assuming a higher rate tax payer & including employers NI) is approx 63%. Even more if you’re paying off a post-grad loan as well.

    We have become a high tax country with shitty public services.
    Since when does the employers NI reduce your disposable income?
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 9,946

    Phil said:

    DM_Andy said:

    tlg86 said:

    Farage’s stat on the number of people paying the 40p rate is remarkable if true.

    I'm now in the 40p rate and I'm completely fine with it, I earn a decent wedge and happy to pay my fair share. I believe the old line "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is a good one to follow.
    Don’t forget that your employer is paying 13.8% NI on top of your salary for the privilege of employing you. Real income tax rates on employment are punishingly high in this country, especially for those making student loan payments (effectively a graduate tax), for whom the marginal rate (assuming a higher rate tax payer & including employers NI) is approx 63%. Even more if you’re paying off a post-grad loan as well.

    We have become a high tax country with shitty public services.
    and once again Farage picks out something he know will get votes - he is some performer
    He proposed scrapping the NHS, he's literally assaulted the nations golden calf.
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    OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,462
    DM_Andy said:

    Flynn: Scotland owns all the weather.

    That is completely true.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 52,540

    DavidL said:

    Mordaunt says she is cutting taxes. Hussein asks if she is cutting taxes why are taxes going up?

    Its this simple - and I hope that after the election the remaining PB Tories will get this. Its A Lie. People are not stupid. You can't put up taxes and then claim you are cutting taxes.

    Whats next? The sky is green? Black is white? Stop treating us like fools?

    You've never really mastered double think have you? Its double-plus good.
    I'm from Lancashire. We talk straight. Yes I'm a wannabe politician but politics has to be based on reality. You can't just talk bollocks and hope to be serious about policy.
    You have much to learn young Padawan.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 61,210
    Farooq said:

    Good evening

    I wonder how many have switched this off as it is wholly depressing and frankly Mordaunt v Rayner is embarrassing to watch

    I am amazed but Plaid doing best for me

    All Conservatives end up voting for Plaid eventually :lol:
    First HYUFD, now you. Casino will be along before long, pushing leaflets through doors in Treforest, sporting a little daffodil lapel pin, greeting people with a cheery "arrite butt?"
    I am not voting Plaid believe you me
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 33,915
    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    Probably a good debate for Sunak tonight.

    Really?
    Yes. Because Penny isn’t showing herself much of a great alternative.
    Alternative to Sunak for what? After July 4th Sunak is gone anyway, we all know that. Before then, there's no possibility of a change.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 94,460

    DavidL said:

    Mordaunt says she is cutting taxes. Hussein asks if she is cutting taxes why are taxes going up?

    Its this simple - and I hope that after the election the remaining PB Tories will get this. Its A Lie. People are not stupid. You can't put up taxes and then claim you are cutting taxes.

    Whats next? The sky is green? Black is white? Stop treating us like fools?

    You've never really mastered double think have you? Its double-plus good.
    I'm from Lancashire. We talk straight. Yes I'm a wannabe politician but politics has to be based on reality. You can't just talk bollocks and hope to be serious about policy.
    You can, but you shouldn't.
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    DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,048
    According to Telegraph readers, Farage is winning, Mordaunt second, Rayner dead last.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 52,540
    DM_Andy said:

    Flynn: Scotland owns all the weather.

    We had hailstones two days in a row this week. In June. Bloody global warming.
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    state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,705

    Phil said:

    DM_Andy said:

    tlg86 said:

    Farage’s stat on the number of people paying the 40p rate is remarkable if true.

    I'm now in the 40p rate and I'm completely fine with it, I earn a decent wedge and happy to pay my fair share. I believe the old line "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is a good one to follow.
    Don’t forget that your employer is paying 13.8% NI on top of your salary for the privilege of employing you. Real income tax rates on employment are punishingly high in this country, especially for those making student loan payments (effectively a graduate tax), for whom the marginal rate (assuming a higher rate tax payer & including employers NI) is approx 63%. Even more if you’re paying off a post-grad loan as well.

    We have become a high tax country with shitty public services.
    and once again Farage picks out something he know will get votes - he is some performer
    He proposed scrapping the NHS, he's literally assaulted the nations golden calf.
    Most people think the NHS is chit these days - tried getting a GP appointment?
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    TimSTimS Posts: 11,410
    Best on climate: Farage (because he knows his audience), and Flynn (because he knows his audience). Both doing the dog whistles effectively. Daisy too short. Mordaunt lying again. Rayner OK.
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,399
    Penny apparently trying to pivot a Net Zero question into Labour tax rises. "My constituents cannot afford that" says the minister whose government has put taxes up to crazy levels and instigated a cost of living crisis which forces people in full time work to rely on foodbanks
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    bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 9,169

    The losers tonight for me are Mordaunt, Rayner, and Farage

    But overall doesn't it make us all despair at the quality of our politicians

    Mordaunt, agreed. She has the toughest job, but she’s not doing it at all well.

    Farage has had his moments, but, yes, I think his shtick isn’t working.

    Rayner has the 2nd toughest job as she gets attacked the 2nd most. I think she’s doing pretty well nonetheless.
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