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  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,569

    Oh, I agree it looks that way.

    If it was a conspiracy then that implies the people being appointed were appointed specifically for their ability to look the other way - and that must have been clear to them before they even started.

    Anyone vaguely competent would surely have asked questions.

    Who did the appointing?
    At the senior levels, I am sure that was a factor in their appointments. The oiks were just told to shut up and get on with their jobs, which on the whole they were only too happy to do.

    The Inquiry has done a fantastic job of turning over stones. Not sure it will be as successful now that it is approaching the Civil/Service Government phase, but let's not underestimate Sir Wyn Nice-Oldthing(but bloodysharpItellyou) and his gang. There's a hell of a lot of evidence out there already, and some of the principals are beginning to rat on each other.

    Order more popcorn.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,405

    Excellent news. Welcome back! 👍
    I’m not really back. Yet.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,375
    Mr. Eagles, glad it went well. Hope your nurses are pretty.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,008
    edited June 2024

    I am glad Douglas Ross isn’t involved with PB.

    Lord knows what he would have done with me this week whilst I was in hospital.

    Op went well, should be released tomorrow.

    A stay that long in hospital is quite serious these days. 😕

    I just thought you’d got bit on the bum by a horsefly. I wasn’t paying proper attention Sorry. Get well soon.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,153

    Between Boris, Truss and Corbyn, party members have forfeited their right to be consulted. They're worse than an inconvenience, they're a liability.
    You are talking leaders. I am talking MP's.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    edited June 2024

    I disliked Duguid's politics and have been pretty open about it. But as a person? Everyone agrees he is a lovely guy. And this isn't about partisan politics, this is how do we want politics to be done.

    If the party does not feel Duguid is fit to stand then why did they let him stand? He was an approved candidate available for selection and was duly selected. Removing him with 2 days to go - literally firing him on his sickbed - is not on.

    Love how Ross hides behind the party management board. The board he is a member of...
    But as another poster commented today, this is the Tory attitude to the sick and disabled. Maybe an attack line for you. It's certainly in part a non-devolved area, DWP and all that.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,405

    Released before 4pm? Get your papers in...
    I’ve had so many voicemails from CCHQ putting me forward for so many seats.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735

    That's a bit different to what you put in Benpointers Excellent Competition, Pubman!
    Let’s not go mocking anyone for their predictions in that competition. I definitely have no ulterior motive in saying that…..


  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    At the senior levels, I am sure that was a factor in their appointments. The oiks were just told to shut up and get on with their jobs, which on the whole they were only too happy to do.

    The Inquiry has done a fantastic job of turning over stones. Not sure it will be as successful now that it is approaching the Civil/Service Government phase, but let's not underestimate Sir Wyn Nice-Oldthing(but bloodysharpItellyou) and his gang. There's a hell of a lot of evidence out there already, and some of the principals are beginning to rat on each other.

    Order more popcorn.
    Just as well the Judge has his Sir already.
  • There is nothing like the enthusiasm for LAB that there was in 1997. However CON are in a much worse state now. So LAB could well get 400+, 200 or maybe slightly more is now at the top of any realistic CON expectations.
    Hasn’t there been a lot written recently about how in 1997 there was actually similarly low enthusiasm for Blair/Labour pre-election, to Starmer now, and people remember it wrong?

    Might we see in years to come, people saying “Remember 2024 when Starmer was wildly popular?”

    Isn’t there a decent amount of evidence that the 1997 ‘enthusiasm for Blair/Labour’ is a bit Mandela effect? And that actually the feeling was quite similar to now?

    Maybe in years to come people will say “Remember 2024 when everyone was
  • Just to follow up on my own post.

    South Holland - 71% Brexit, 13% Labour in 2019 - 16/1 Reform to win with Sky bet
    Also had a small be on Amber Valley - 65% Brexit, 27% Lab in 2019 - 33/1 Reform to win with Sky bet
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,109
    Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but SpaceX's fourth launch of their SH/SS rocket combo may be happring in 45 minutes or so.

    It should be iivestreamed here:
    https://www.spacex.com/launches/mission/?missionId=starship-flight-4
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,569

    A stay that long in hospital is quite serious these days. 😕

    I just thought you’d got bit on the bum by a horsefly. I wasn’t paying proper attention Sorry. Get well soon.
    Yeah, get well soon, TSE. Place not the same without you.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but SpaceX's fourth launch of their SH/SS rocket combo may be happring in 45 minutes or so.

    It should be iivestreamed here:
    https://www.spacex.com/launches/mission/?missionId=starship-flight-4

    Rocket No 4, or No 1 fourth time up?
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,872

    Does anyone else wonder if AP was deliberately scheduled to give evidence to the enquiry during the DDay commemorations?
    No. Whatever else has gone on - I don't think the inquiry itself is part of the conspiracy.

    What happens to these people afterwards might be.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,451

    Hasn’t there been a lot written recently about how in 1997 there was actually similarly low enthusiasm for Blair/Labour pre-election, to Starmer now, and people remember it wrong?

    Might we see in years to come, people saying “Remember 2024 when Starmer was wildly popular?”

    Isn’t there a decent amount of evidence that the 1997 ‘enthusiasm for Blair/Labour’ is a bit Mandela effect? And that actually the feeling was quite similar to now?

    Maybe in years to come people will say “Remember 2024 when everyone was
    This graph is instructive

    https://x.com/MatthewPrice01/status/1798594404355051965
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,611

    I looked at travelling from Llandudno to Elgin by train recently and it was routed Crewe - Waverley - Dundee - Elgin

    It seemed quite a good service and is useful for us to know
    You could do the sleeper from Crewe to Aberdeen or Inverness.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,641

    That's a bit different to what you put in Benpointers Excellent Competition, Pubman!
    Yes indeed it is. I put LAB maj 30. Looks like I was wrong! It's happened before.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,491
    edited June 2024

    Yes indeed it is. I put LAB maj 30. Looks like I was wrong! It's happened before.
    I suspect even @Peter_the_Punter will have under estimated the Labour majority...

    Edit - that was a typo and a half
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,569

    Hasn’t there been a lot written recently about how in 1997 there was actually similarly low enthusiasm for Blair/Labour pre-election, to Starmer now, and people remember it wrong?

    Might we see in years to come, people saying “Remember 2024 when Starmer was wildly popular?”

    Isn’t there a decent amount of evidence that the 1997 ‘enthusiasm for Blair/Labour’ is a bit Mandela effect? And that actually the feeling was quite similar to now?

    Maybe in years to come people will say “Remember 2024 when everyone was
    If Labour and the LDs had more charismatic leaders I think we would be talking about the perfect storm. All the other ingredients appear to be present.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,120

    Just to follow up on my own post.

    South Holland - 71% Brexit, 13% Labour in 2019 - 16/1 Reform to win with Sky bet
    Also had a small be on Amber Valley - 65% Brexit, 27% Lab in 2019 - 33/1 Reform to win with Sky bet

    I don't seen any of these happening. They probably need to get 25% to start winning more than two or three seats.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Saw my first garden placard today in Norwich, a Green. Looks suspiciously like one left over from the locals though!
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,569
    eek said:

    I suspect even @Peter_the_Punter will have under estimated the Tory majority...
    In the event I am nearly right I will, in deference to TSE and his own endless humility, refrain from mentioning the fact more than three times a day.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,123
    eek said:

    I'm sure you have, a hashtag doesn't mean it's remotely possible and may only be being posted for the Lols.
    The SCon enthusiasts posting them are not known for their humorousness, particularly not when it comes to lol at their own noisily impotent pols.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,611

    I’m sure I’ve frequently seen the hashtags #ruth4FM, #ross4FM and most tittersome, #jackson4FM.
    FM standing for Fanny Magnet?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,825

    No. Whatever else has gone on - I don't think the inquiry itself is part of the conspiracy.

    What happens to these people afterwards might be.
    The incompetence and vagueness *is* part of a pattern.

    People were appointed who “were a safe pair of hands” and were “team players”. This happens all the time in dysfunctional organisations. People who wouldn’t cause trouble for their peers.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,921
    It appears those that thought time was up for Gething with the VONC passing yesterday were a tad premature.

    Starmer has confidence in him and that is obviously what matters: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cyxxv1d1w0lo

    Hey ho.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,569
    edited June 2024

    Saw my first garden placard today in Norwich, a Green. Looks suspiciously like one left over from the locals though!

    I saw a Green one yesterday, strategically placed opposite Kingham Station (Oxfordshire). Yet to see a Blue one anywhere.

    Round here it's a sea of Yellow.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    eek said:

    Don't think that's relevant - the entire Post Office board is now a sack of cats all trying to pin the blame on anyone who isn't themselves..
    Can’t get enough popcorn for this! I can see the whole lot of them being done.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,070
    I just took the German "Wahl-o-mat" (a "voting matching" website) for the EU-Parliament election this weekend. I was amazed at how well the results matched with my pecrecptions of the main parties. AfD was rock bottom from about 30 parties listed and the new BSW (Bündnis Sara Wageknecht) was not much higher.

    Does anyone know of a similar machine for the UK election?
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,325

    Instead the crossover narrative might come after Friday’s debate.

    Mordaunt is probably a decent opponent however, she might do alright vs Farage?

    The football being on at the same time won’t help viewership, mind - but the viral clips that come after the debate might be more revealing.

    Genuinely - clips from Friday’s debate going viral will be the first time millions of people will even know Farage is standing.

    That also works well for Ed Davey too.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,090
    Hills allowed me the princely sum of £1.63 on the Tories to have no seats in Scotland at 100/1
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,825
    Carnyx said:

    Rocket No 4, or No 1 fourth time up?
    Ship 29 (upper stage)
    Booster 11 (first stage)
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    DavidL said:

    It appears those that thought time was up for Gething with the VONC passing yesterday were a tad premature.

    Starmer has confidence in him and that is obviously what matters: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cyxxv1d1w0lo

    Hey ho.

    They seem keen to tell us it isn't affecting how people will vote, so I can only conclude........
  • AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,508
    Andy_JS said:

    I don't seen any of these happening. They probably need to get 25% to start winning more than two or three seats.
    I take GarethoftheVale's earlier point about the demographics of the seat, but I'd have thought that John Hayes would have a substantial personal vote in South Holland - plus, he makes Refuk look like a bunch of woke lefties!
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,569

    Hills allowed me the princely sum of £1.63 on the Tories to have no seats in Scotland at 100/1

    The original William Hill, a legendary bookmaker, will be turning in his grave. Never mind. It's the principle that counts.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,481

    I’m not really back. Yet.
    We’ve missed you. Abscess makes the heart grow fonder.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,569
    Cicero said:

    That also works well for Ed Davey too.
    Ed will be testing to destruction the theory that nice guys don't win.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,921

    The SCon enthusiasts posting them are not known for their humorousness, particularly not when it comes to lol at their own noisily impotent pols.
    I can see why you might think that only those who think an independent Scotland is a good idea have a sense of humour but I can assure you that is not the case.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,756
    Cicero said:

    That also works well for Ed Davey too.
    I think Daisy is doing this one.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,444
    Why is there no 5G between the stations on the Elizabeth Line? @CorrectHorseBattery
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,120

    Why is there no 5G between the stations on the Elizabeth Line? @CorrectHorseBattery

    There's wi-fi on the trains, although it doesn't always work.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,756

    I saw a Green one yesterday, strategically placed opposite Kingham Station (Oxfordshire). Yet to see a Blue one anywhere.

    Round here it's a sea of Yellow.
    I have seen 4 LD diamonds in Leicester East. Not a plausible target.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,120
    "Only 16% of Brits would fight to defend France"

    https://unherd.com/newsroom/only-16-of-brits-would-fight-to-defend-france/
  • novanova Posts: 747

    Hasn’t there been a lot written recently about how in 1997 there was actually similarly low enthusiasm for Blair/Labour pre-election, to Starmer now, and people remember it wrong?

    Might we see in years to come, people saying “Remember 2024 when Starmer was wildly popular?”

    Isn’t there a decent amount of evidence that the 1997 ‘enthusiasm for Blair/Labour’ is a bit Mandela effect? And that actually the feeling was quite similar to now?

    Maybe in years to come people will say “Remember 2024 when everyone was
    I don't remember that at all.

    Even with the clause 4 stuff, the 'all the same' left would have been tiny, and social media hadn't caused anything like the fractures/polarisation we get today.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Andy_JS said:
    How many would join the invasion?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    The Electoral Commission has updated its donations database for Q1 2024. Zero reportable donations to the SNP. Just the regular “short money” allocation from the House of Commons, which is very likely to collapse after the general election.

    https://x.com/staylorish/status/1798614146839347245

    So if they lose half their Short money, they’re pretty much screwed as a party, left with membership fees and begging for tithes from elected MPs and MSPs.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,879

    And Stuart? Anderson from Wolves SW to South Shropshire
    That's barely a short step away. Won't even have to move house from Wombourne.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Andy_JS said:
    Context is everything. In the 1944 context, it wouldn’t be as high as 16% *not* wanting to get involved.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,481
    Watched FMQs earlier. Swinney and Sarwar at D Day memorial. Forbes much better than Swinney or Yousaf. Jackie Baillie much better than Sarwar, or anyone else. Ross as bad as usual. Much applause when Forbes commented on his replacement of Duguid.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,123
    So, I recall a few PBers predicting SCon gains and a couple floating a ‘value’ punt for the SNP to lose all their seats. Anyone care to nail their flags to those particular masts today?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    Is an attempt at what US elections call a October surprise being prepared to be run?

    https://order-order.com/2024/06/06/times-now-reports-on-the-labour-love-affair-setting-tongues-wagging/
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,481
    Andy_JS said:
    That’s because they don’t want to be shot in the back by TSE.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    Andy_JS said:
    Higher than I imagined.
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,296

    Picture if you will a scenario like this.

    1. Before nominations close tomorrow, Farage announces a number of Tory defections. He publishes a list of 100+ Reform target seats and states they will focus their attention on those seats. Reiterating Tories cannot win and that Tory voters need to come across to Reform.

    2. Farage has a good debate.

    3. Crossover happens in a poll or two. The MSM picks up on this and a narrative starts to run that Reform can beat the Tories.

    4. The DM, Telegraph and Express endorse Reform and reiterate the message.

    5. The movement from the Tories to Reform in the polls becomes less of a trickle and more of a flood.

    7. GE night, Reform take votes from Tories and Labour and come second in seat count. The Tories essentially collapse and are wiped out. Labour get their stonking majority, and a new populist right wing opposition.

    This is obviously fantasy politics. But the mood is febrile. I don’t think it’s impossible this could happen. But it’s the crossover at 3 that matters. If that doesn’t happen, the rest of it won’t fall into place.
    Here's my personal take on this, as a probable Tory/Reform swing voter; I expect my logic below will not be atypical of people in my position.

    I would rather have a Reform government than a Tory one, mostly because I think we have to get immigration down to solve the long term issues the country faces, and I don't believe that for all the noise, the Tories will do actually do anything about immigration.

    I would rather have a Tory government than a Labour one, not from any great love for the Tories but because on almost every issue I expect Labour to be even worse (more tax, which will mostly get spent wastefully on pay rises for the public sector, more immigration, more "green" spending with very dubious rates of return, more expensive regulations for everything).

    I live in High Peak which in 2019 was a Tory-Lab marginal. Last time round I voted Tory, and would have done so even had the Brexit party stood.

    This time round, there is zero chance the current Tory holds it on current polling, so I might as well express my true preference and vote Reform.

    If I lived in a seat that the Tories might conceivably hang onto, it would all depend on how Reform are polling; I might vote for the Tory if I looked like it would keep Labour out, however if we reach crossover I'd definitely be voting Reform.

    If there are a reasonable number of people who think like me, then once Reform reach a certain point in the polls (and they aren't far off now), the dam breaks, and it's probably the end for the Tories.

    Farrage as Leader of the Opposition would be epic for popcorn sales and terrible for Starmer - I would think he'd almost certainly he'd lose in 5 years time to a Farrage/Tory rump coupon.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited June 2024

    So, I recall a few PBers predicting SCon gains and a couple floating a ‘value’ punt for the SNP to lose all their seats. Anyone care to nail their flags to those particular masts today?

    SNP won't lose all their seats certainly but there's some chance of SCon gaining one or two, it depends where the SNP vote ends up. Perth and Kinross, Angus and the glens, Argyll look interesting battles,although I think Luke G might have pissed off the good folk of Perth at the hustings
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,123
    edited June 2024
    DavidL said:

    I can see why you might think that only those who think an independent Scotland is a good idea have a sense of humour but I can assure you that is not the case.
    The number of SCons who went baws deep for Truss and her economic policies was certainly funny in a grim sort of a way, but I'm not sure D.Ross and co saw the joke even in retrospect.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,569
    edited June 2024
    Sandpit said:

    Can’t get enough popcorn for this! I can see the whole lot of them being done.
    They all deserve to be done, but the scandal encompassed the entire organisation over more than twenty years, so the numbers would truly reach into four figures. Even the Nurenberg Trials, with which the scandal shows some depressing similarities, only prosecuted 199 defendants.

    My guess is that the biggest and smallest fish will be the ones to slip through the net. They will pass over the so-called investigators, secretaries and PR people, and also the Board (but scapegoat Vennells). That probably gives them about twenty or so convictions, which should be enough to satisfy the mob.

    I can't see any lawyers getting done. Their misdemeanours will no doubt be considered by the Law Society, which I expect will ensure that the more serious offenders are made to stay behind after school, or be given lines.
  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,127
    It seems just Sunak's luck that the only areas where the public think has got better since 2010 are all the ones that his own party doesn't fully support


  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,243

    I saw a Green one yesterday, strategically placed opposite Kingham Station (Oxfordshire). Yet to see a Blue one anywhere.

    Round here it's a sea of Yellow.
    Kingham is a little pocket of Green support - the LibDems have stood down for them in local elections a couple of times. The Greens aren't actively campaigning round here though, as far as I can see.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,285
    Andy_JS said:
    Is happily fight for France. As long as we got to keep some nice bits afterwards. Aquitaine and Normandy are ours anyway. That’s a nice start
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Two Lib Dem officials arrested in Harrogate over election issues from the LEs. DYOR but Tories available at 11/4 to hold here.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,627
    .

    The number of SCons who went baws deep for Truss and her economic policies was certainly funny in a grim sort of a way, but I'm not sure D.Ross and co saw the joke even in retrospect.
    Duguid was a big supporter of Truss. And made a minister for 5 minutes as a reward.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,017
    DM_Andy said:

    It seems just Sunak's luck that the only areas where the public think has got better since 2010 are all the ones that his own party doesn't fully support


    So not even 10% think its better on the vast majority of factors. It is a shockingly bad scorecard.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    edited June 2024

    Two Lib Dem officials arrested in Harrogate over election issues from the LEs. DYOR but Tories available at 11/4 to hold here.

    Dodgy Lib Dem leaflets...never...

    North Yorkshire Police are investigating the party members in Harrogate after campaign material wrongly claimed the Green Party were not contesting a by-election.

    The North Yorkshire Council poll for the Stray, Woodlands and Hookstone ward took place in March after former Liberal Democrat Pat Marsh resigned. A leaflet distributed to households said the Greens had '"stood down" when they had actually fielded a candidate. The Liberal Democrats blamed the misinformation on a "printing mistake".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clww9l5ryppo
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    Grumpy, but informative:

    I'm not talking much about the general election tax debate. Because it's irrelevant. The few £bn being discussed is dwarfed by the actual tax UK tax increases over the last few years, and the further tax increases we'll almost certainly see in the future.

    Grumpy thread:


    https://x.com/danneidle/status/1798674346103480735?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    We all know it coming.

    Rachel Reeves, the shadow chancellor, is reportedly under pressure from Labour frontbenchers to increase capital gains tax. Some shadow cabinet ministers are pushing for the change to be made at an autumn Budget to raise more money for public services, The Guardian reported.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,691

    So not even 10% think its better on the vast majority of factors. It is a shockingly bad scorecard.
    How on earth has 'action the UK is taking on climate change' have a greater score for worse than better? This illustrates more than anything else the lack of objectivity of this poll.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    Reform UK has said it will abolish inheritance tax for estates worth under £2 million in a pledge that increases pressure on the Conservatives to promise their own changes...

    Tories been beaten to the punch messing about with nonsense national service type policies.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,169
    JACK_W said:

    Awash with yellow peril litter in St Albans and Harpenden. One Labour poster in Kimpton. Nil Tory even in leafiest areas.

    Any Whig Party posters?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,405
    ToryJim said:

    Glad to see TSE is recovering from his encounter with the barber surgeon. Hopefully his recovery to full health will be swift, aided one imagines by a timely course of leeches.

    About three to four months before I can resume a normal life. Abscess was huge.

    No driving for six weeks etc.

    Worst of all no nookie for a similar period.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    edited June 2024

    Grumpy, but informative:

    I'm not talking much about the general election tax debate. Because it's irrelevant. The few £bn being discussed is dwarfed by the actual tax UK tax increases over the last few years, and the further tax increases we'll almost certainly see in the future.

    Grumpy thread:


    https://x.com/danneidle/status/1798674346103480735?

    And even clearer why all BS about VAT on private schools for £1bn isn't really anything to do with tax raising.

    Unless massive growth returns to the economy swiftly, there is true danger of a doom loop of ever increasing taxes (directly and indirectly). But no everybody is arguing over things like gendered toilets.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281

    I am glad Douglas Ross isn’t involved with PB.

    Lord knows what he would have done with me this week whilst I was in hospital.

    Op went well, should be released tomorrow.

    Good luck with your release - in my experience it was one of the things the NHS did poorly, with several patients delayed by several days. I was told I could go home on Tuesday - didn’t happen until Thursday. On the positive side, the really important bits - the operations went very well.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,017
    Cookie said:

    How on earth has 'action the UK is taking on climate change' have a greater score for worse than better? This illustrates more than anything else the lack of objectivity of this poll.
    It depends a bit on how you interpret the question I suppose.

    Is it to be baselined against expectations/capability at the time or absolute? If in 2034 the next government has improved "action the UK is taking" but only by 1% I'd consider that a big failure relative to now, even if in absolute terms we are taking more action.
  • Fireworks in a few minutes:-)
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    Reform UK has said it will abolish inheritance tax for estates worth under £2 million in a pledge that increases pressure on the Conservatives to promise their own changes...

    Tories been beaten to the punch messing about with nonsense national service type policies.

    They'll scrap it entirely.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131

    About three to four months before I can resume a normal life. Abscess was huge.

    No driving for six weeks etc.

    Worst of all no nookie for a similar period.
    More time to concentrate on the excitement of the GE ;-)
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,756
    edited June 2024

    About three to four months before I can resume a normal life. Abscess was huge.

    No driving for six weeks etc.

    Worst of all no nookie for a similar period.
    So, a man of leisure for the next six weeks?

    I hope you have plenty of popcorn in.

    It's just what this doctor ordered 🍿 🍿 🍿
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,569
    edited June 2024
    Foxy said:

    I have seen 4 LD diamonds in Leicester East. Not a plausible target.
    :smile:
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,405

    Good luck with your release - in my experience it was one of the things the NHS did poorly, with several patients delayed by several days. I was told I could go home on Tuesday - didn’t happen until Thursday. On the positive side, the really important bits - the operations went very well.
    They have been open with me, the size of the abscess and my diabetes means they want to be cautious with the recovery.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,405

    More time to concentrate on the excitement of the GE ;-)
    Indeed.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,123
    Sandpit said:

    So if they lose half their Short money, they’re pretty much screwed as a party, left with membership fees and begging for tithes from elected MPs and MSPs.
    Yeah, the SNP definitely need to get a few millionaire racists in tow.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,405
    Foxy said:

    So, a man of Leisure for the next six weeks?

    I hope you have plenty of popcorn in.

    It's just what this doctor ordered 🍿 🍿 🍿
    Not quite.

    I’ll be working w/b the 17th.

    But not much physical activity for a while.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/06/05/yorkshire-brewery-madri-beer-coors/

    Did people really not know is? That basically every brand beer is made by AB InBev or Heineken. On thing the article gets wrong, San Miguel isn't European, its Filipino.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,109
    One engine out already
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,126
    Eabhal said:

    Don't think they are banned in RoI. Though our ban is hardly effective - a pug got savaged down the road from me a few days ago. Think the dog is still extant.
    They might be banned in Ireland soon after the current inept Justice Minister is replaced following the election, due early next year.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Dodgy Lib Dem leaflets...never...

    North Yorkshire Police are investigating the party members in Harrogate after campaign material wrongly claimed the Green Party were not contesting a by-election.

    The North Yorkshire Council poll for the Stray, Woodlands and Hookstone ward took place in March after former Liberal Democrat Pat Marsh resigned. A leaflet distributed to households said the Greens had '"stood down" when they had actually fielded a candidate. The Liberal Democrats blamed the misinformation on a "printing mistake".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clww9l5ryppo
    No such thing as a “printing mistake”. If you’re the registered agent, you’re personally responsible for all the leaflets that go out with your name on them.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,120
    edited June 2024

    Higher than I imagined.
    Just noticed that only 30% would fight to defend the UK from an invasion. Shocking.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    edited June 2024
    Sandpit said:

    No such thing as a “printing mistake”. If you’re the registered agent, you’re personally responsible for all the leaflets that go out with your name on them.
    And of course Lib Dems have particular form on LE leaflets being dodgy as hell.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Fireworks in a few minutes:-)

    She flies!
  • PedestrianRockPedestrianRock Posts: 587
    edited June 2024

    Fireworks in a few minutes:-)

    Do tell?

    Edit: missed the above and assumed some big new poll was coming haha!
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,109
    From what I can see, fewer tiles lost this time as well. :)
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,192

    ToryJim said:

    Glad to see TSE is recovering from his encounter with the barber surgeon. Hopefully his recovery to full health will be swift, aided one imagines by a timely course of leeches.

    About three to four months before I can resume a normal life. Abscess was huge.

    No driving for six weeks etc.

    Worst of all no nookie for a similar period.
    Yeah abscesses are a grim thing. My mother developed one a few years back after major surgery, so they couldn’t risk surgery to drain it. She is also allergic to quite a few antibiotics, so she was on massive amounts of the ones she could take plus regular scans to ensure the abscess was reducing. Took 6 months to fix and another 6 months to fully recover.

    So it could have been far worse. I’m sure 6 weeks abstinence will do you the power of good, plus you can use the time to profitably search out new pop culture references for future pb threads.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    Is an attempt at what US elections call a October surprise being prepared to be run?

    https://order-order.com/2024/06/06/times-now-reports-on-the-labour-love-affair-setting-tongues-wagging/

    Do sex and drugs stories even matter any more? Does anyone care?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,034
    Spash down
  • Woooo! Nailed the soft splashdown!
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