Next week things can only get better for Sunak or worse – politicalbetting.com
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Be interesting to see how many candidates they field in the endMarqueeMark said:
Reform on 14% never looked real. The idea of them overtaking the Tories caused me a wry smile.TimS said:🚨 NEW POLL 🚨
@BMGResearch for @theipaper
Labour 43% +2
Tories 27% +2
Reform 11% -3
Lib Dems 9%
Greens 6%
16pt lead is unchanged from last BMG poll in April. But 3pt fall in Reform's standing suggests the squeeze *might* be on...
https://x.com/hugogye/status/1796250395796296139?s=46
Even Farage is walking backwards from them.1 -
Part I of the strategy is squeezing ReformChameleon said:
Would be hilarious if the net effect of money for the old, indentured servitude for the young week was that they gained 2% from Reform but then lost the same to Labour, leaving them in a far worse position.TimS said:🚨 NEW POLL 🚨
@BMGResearch for @theipaper
Labour 43% +2
Tories 27% +2
Reform 11% -3
Lib Dems 9%
Greens 6%
16pt lead is unchanged from last BMG poll in April. But 3pt fall in Reform's standing suggests the squeeze *might* be on...
https://x.com/hugogye/status/1796250395796296139?s=46
Part II is going for Labour0 -
The are just being VERY thorough.nico679 said:Only 90 minutes to go before jury deliberations end for the day .
If there’s no verdict before then it would be a bad sign for the prosecution .
As you'd expect if they were about to cause the jailing of the first ex-President of the USA.3 -
Eh? SKS has a time machine?Casino_Royale said:I as a "pushy parent" paying a lot of fees couldn't prevent my kids school closing down, despite advocating to the teachers and headmaster.
Turns out SKS's voice was louder.0 -
I didn't realise Rishi had such a tiny chopper.Scott_xP said:
This ad won't land then...GIN1138 said:
Nobody cares about Rishi's travel arrangements?Scott_xP said:@mikeysmith
STORY
Rishi Sunak caught taking private helicopter flight home hours after gushing about train travel
https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/1796227395650744553
@DPMcBride
The little stool for getting on and off is very sweet.
https://x.com/DPMcBride/status/1796231370454516182
https://x.com/UKLabour/status/1796244431080931688
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Me too. What did people want him to say or do? I think it’s just people who don’t like him never going to say anything positive.GIN1138 said:
I thought he handled that quite well? 🤷♂️rottenborough said:Rachel Cunliffe
@RMCunliffe
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Back in January I was talking to various Tory strategists about exactly this worry: that Sunak had never been front and centre of a national campaign and would behave in front of the cameras and the public like... well, like this
https://x.com/RMCunliffe/status/17962216096671786780 -
It's rank prejudice and snobbery and doesn't stand up to a moment's scrutiny.Daveyboy1961 said:
You would say that wouldn't you. I bet the teachers are your son's school could tell a few tales.Casino_Royale said:
Ah, the old pushy-parent bollocks.eek said:
Um ensuring that we have pushy parents trying to improve their local primary and secondary schools rather than paying to make a problem go away does to me seem like a good policy.Casino_Royale said:
It's perfectly possible he tries that.Benpointer said:
Breaking: Starmer has just applied for UK to re-join the EU!boulay said:
He will even fail at that. Someone who actually does something will hear it before him and post it here.Nigelb said:
OTOH, he’ll have the satisfaction of being first to post the news about Starmer reapplying for EU membership…boulay said:…
He’s too busy being a high achiever to waste time letting go of his bitterness. That’s time he could have spent in the corridors of power, making a difference, being successful. Better off reposting tweets.GIN1138 said:
Will Scott finally stop his 8 year sulk and let go his bitterness once Election 24 is over? 🙏Taz said:
Scott does.GIN1138 said:
Nobody cares about Rishi's travel arrangements?Scott_xP said:@mikeysmith
STORY
Rishi Sunak caught taking private helicopter flight home hours after gushing about train travel
https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/1796227395650744553
@DPMcBride
The little stool for getting on and off is very sweet.
https://x.com/DPMcBride/status/1796231370454516182
So nobody of any consequence.
It’s been the best possible opening for brilliant people like Scott to stand to be an MP and make a difference, stun us with his ideas, lead the country to a brighter future. Or just shitpost on PB.
[Thought I'd get in first, for the record.]
No-one has a clue what he's going to do, or what will renege on, except the shit policies he really seems to care about - like eviscerating our education sector.
Granted I know that you children won't be kept away from the working class but hey the working class now have the misfortune that.... (this last bit is a joke btw)..
Such bollocks.
The only tale the teachers are telling me at my son's school atm is about how deeply they worry about finding another job.
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BMG polling leads for Labour over the last 6 months:TimS said:🚨 NEW POLL 🚨
@BMGResearch for @theipaper
Labour 43% +2
Tories 27% +2
Reform 11% -3
Lib Dems 9%
Greens 6%
16pt lead is unchanged from last BMG poll in April. But 3pt fall in Reform's standing suggests the squeeze *might* be on...
https://x.com/hugogye/status/1796250395796296139?s=46
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You'd probably expect more variation than that over time just from statistical noise!0 -
Any Dylan Difford chart basically. Collate them in a book and put them next to the Matt cartoon collection.Stuartinromford said:
And that's the point.Clutch_Brompton said:
Having people say that about him is catastrophicCasino_Royale said:
For the next 5 weeks everything Sunak says and does, or doesn't say or doesn't do, will be argue to be catastrophic.GIN1138 said:
I thought he handled that quite well? 🤷♂️rottenborough said:Rachel Cunliffe
@RMCunliffe
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Back in January I was talking to various Tory strategists about exactly this worry: that Sunak had never been front and centre of a national campaign and would behave in front of the cameras and the public like... well, like this
https://x.com/RMCunliffe/status/1796221609667178678
Politics isn't entirely rational, any more than any other human encounter. Some people have "it", but others don't.
Sunak doesn't have "it" at any level at all, which is why he's fated to wander the country with a "kick me" sign pinned to the back of his jacket. If he were a brilliantly effective technocrat, that would be fine, we'd respect that. But he isn't. So he's in deep deep trouble. Some of it is unfair, but not all of it. And if you've benefitted from the good luck, you can't complain when it deserts you.
Meanwhile, here's an infographic beautiful enough to hang on the wall of a gallery of modern art. How opinion polls change (or don't) over a campaign.
https://twitter.com/Dylan_Difford/status/17962495149084837791 -
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It seems that her having a baby is her main excuse for liking an antisemitic post. Don't lots of women manage to give birth without being afflicted by momentary antisemitism?ToryJim said:Shaheen is spitting cobs…
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Baxtered I make that a majority of 220 and Tories on 146 seats. I guess SKS would buy that.ToryJim said:
Yes, and no. The changes on this poll probably saves 10-15 seats especially as the gap to the Lib Dem’s is wider.Peter_the_Punter said:
If they are squeezing reform but still not closing the gap, that's a bit of a problem, isn't it?ToryJim said:
Labour would still have a colossal majority with those figures. Hopefully the Tories can squeeze Reform but need to see more evidence.TimS said:🚨 NEW POLL 🚨
@BMGResearch for @theipaper
Labour 43% +2
Tories 27% +2
Reform 11% -3
Lib Dems 9%
Greens 6%
16pt lead is unchanged from last BMG poll in April. But 3pt fall in Reform's standing suggests the squeeze *might* be on...
https://x.com/hugogye/status/1796250395796296139?s=46
More important, it would win me a point in Benpointer's Excellent Competition.1 -
Wearing false whiskers and making for Transnistria with the Bruce Partington Plans in the false bottom of a pigskin briefcase.rottenborough said:
Last heard of trying Plum Brandy in Moldovatlg86 said:
Where's Leon? This sounds like something he needs to panic about.rottenborough said:A third human case of H5 bird flu tied to the ongoing U.S. outbreak in cattle has been detected in a farm worker in Michigan, state health authorities confirmed on Thursday.
“With this case, respiratory symptoms occurred after direct exposure to an infected cow,”
https://www.statnews.com/2024/05/30/bird-flu-third-case-human-infection-caused-respiratory-symptoms/1 -
Game theory is just a wonderful area of mathematics. I worked for a while on a very (very) narrow aspect of it, and the complexity and confusion along the way was mind-numbing. I think I (and others) arrived at something that was a reasonable answer (and mathematically sound) to the commercial question that was the driver for this, but it is so rich in apparently almost endless depth to simple questions.viewcode said:Everybody always brings in game theory, usually wrongly
Here's a guy doing it for real
* Simon Sinek (Ted talk, short): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bFs6ZiynSU
* Simon Sinek (Talks at Google, long): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_osKgFwKoDQ
I think that in the future it will become a huge area of research - because AI sort of needs a gameplan. If anyone knows of any commercial game theory consultancy start-ups, then I'm keen to invest!1 -
Farage charming the Question Time audience.0
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He's leaning into the Centrist dad vote.ThomasNashe said:
The clowning about is obviously a deliberate strategy, but I do wonder about the rationale. Election campaigns are the one time they can guarantee getting coverage.eek said:
As will also be true for SKS. Meanwhile Ed Davey will continue to do silly stunts to ensure he gets 2 minutes of news coverage every day...Casino_Royale said:
For the next 5 weeks everything Sunak says and does, or doesn't say or doesn't do, will be argue to be catastrophic.GIN1138 said:
I thought he handled that quite well? 🤷♂️rottenborough said:Rachel Cunliffe
@RMCunliffe
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Back in January I was talking to various Tory strategists about exactly this worry: that Sunak had never been front and centre of a national campaign and would behave in front of the cameras and the public like... well, like this
https://x.com/RMCunliffe/status/1796221609667178678
It's a contrast with the rather stiff Starmer.
Best not over do it though.2 -
Even if convicted I doubt Trump will get much more than a hefty fine .MarqueeMark said:
The are just being VERY thorough.nico679 said:Only 90 minutes to go before jury deliberations end for the day .
If there’s no verdict before then it would be a bad sign for the prosecution .
As you'd expect if they were about to cause the jailing of the first ex-President of the USA.0 -
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Yeah cases of post natal racism are probably pretty rareThomasNashe said:
It seems that her having a baby is her main excuse for liking an antisemitic post. Don't lots of women manage to give birth without being afflicted by momentary antisemitism?ToryJim said:Shaheen is spitting cobs…
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When the MCC ran cricket, I think his criticism would have had more weight. Womens cricket is taking off hugely and cricket is all the better for it. (Aside of the need aparently to call batsmen batters - they’ve not renamed third man yet have they?) Now it’s under the aegis of the ICC the MCC is a just a boring gammon club with a cricket ground attached. Let them get on with it. As posted Surrey is vastly more successful and a better club than Middlesex will ever be.algarkirk said:
Born Hampstead. Uppingham, Queen's College Cambridge, Garrick, Pratt's, MCC. Oik.Benpointer said:
Stephen Fry says MCC stinks of privilege and classismtlg86 said:Stephen Fry trying to change another institution:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/30/stephen-fry-says-mcc-stinks-of-privilege-and-classism/
Fry, 66, also skewered his fellow MCC members, saying of the club: “It has a public face that is deeply disturbing, sort of beetroot-coloured gentleman in yellow-and-orange blazers sitting in this space in front of the Long Room and looking as if they’d come out of an Edwardian cartoon.”
Isn't that why he joined it?0 -
I didn’t know you were a fan.Casino_Royale said:0 -
The trade union leaders ( Matt Wrack on C4) really are a bit thick. Desperate to see the entitled mad old Diane Abbott as a candidate even if that means a Conservative victory.0
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Is "box office" a synonym of massive c***?Casino_Royale said:1 -
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Farage was asked why he isn't running and he said that the one time he had a serious chance of winning, "they cheated".1
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Very magatlg86 said:Farage was asked why he isn't running and he said that the one time he had a serious chance of winning, "they cheated".
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I didn't say I was a fan.Jonathan said:
I didn’t know you were a fan.Casino_Royale said:
I said he's box office. He sells tickets.1 -
I doubt Diane Abbott standing would mean a Conservative victory; in fact, she might well cause more problem if she was outside the party.Mexicanpete said:The trade union leaders ( Matt Wrack on C4) really are a bit thick. Desperate to see the entitled mad old Diane Abbott as a candidate even if that means a Conservative victory.
SKS does appear to have mucked this one up, either by stupidity, misfortune and/or malice.0 -
Why is there no libdem on? If they're in epsom, that's a key area for them...
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Night watchman should become night porter.turbotubbs said:
When the MCC ran cricket, I think his criticism would have had more weight. Womens cricket is taking off hugely and cricket is all the better for it. (Aside of the need aparently to call batsmen batters - they’ve not renamed third man yet have they?) Now it’s under the aegis of the ICC the MCC is a just a boring gammon club with a cricket ground attached. Let them get on with it. As posted Surrey is vastly more successful and a better club than Middlesex will ever be.algarkirk said:
Born Hampstead. Uppingham, Queen's College Cambridge, Garrick, Pratt's, MCC. Oik.Benpointer said:
Stephen Fry says MCC stinks of privilege and classismtlg86 said:Stephen Fry trying to change another institution:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/30/stephen-fry-says-mcc-stinks-of-privilege-and-classism/
Fry, 66, also skewered his fellow MCC members, saying of the club: “It has a public face that is deeply disturbing, sort of beetroot-coloured gentleman in yellow-and-orange blazers sitting in this space in front of the Long Room and looking as if they’d come out of an Edwardian cartoon.”
Isn't that why he joined it?0 -
I'll have a poke around, but I see no reason to change my view that it is lining up for Labour.Taz said:
Current odds picking a midrange are Labour approx 2:1 on, Reform 4:1, AI 5:0, Con 14:1.
My crude analysis is that Reform and Con have kneecapped each other by splitting the right vote, AIs have kneecapped themselves by Zadrozny working to move his trial on his criminal charges out of area and delaying it until 2025, and the criminal history of the Deputy Leader. I may emphasize these last more than other people.
Some boundary changes, of which I can't predict the impact.
AIs probably have most intense activity potential, as they have >30 from 35 district councillors, and all the county councillors.
I'm not calling it beyond "likely to be Labour". And I'm not betting on it - potentially too volatile. Good luck if you do have a flutter.
The Leeanderthal Man is probably planning to follow the Gloria de Piero career path.
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Rishi cares, obviously, enough to have been filmed taking the train. Tbh, I'm in broad agreement with you and do not think it would have changed a single vote if he'd taken his customary helicopter, but I'm not running his election campaign.GIN1138 said:
Nobody cares about Rishi's travel arrangements?Scott_xP said:@mikeysmith
STORY
Rishi Sunak caught taking private helicopter flight home hours after gushing about train travel
https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/1796227395650744553
@DPMcBride
The little stool for getting on and off is very sweet.
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Actually, yes. He has the aura of a ticket tout - I could imagine him outside Wembley or similar making a few bob.Casino_Royale said:
I didn't say I was a fan.Jonathan said:
I didn’t know you were a fan.Casino_Royale said:
I said he's box office. He sells tickets.1 -
Nope, he's right:Daveyboy1961 said:
Very magatlg86 said:Farage was asked why he isn't running and he said that the one time he had a serious chance of winning, "they cheated".
https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/marion-little-sentencing-remarks.pdf
It appears to me that this is an offence of the utmost gravity in the statutory context and that therefore it is open to me to pass a sentence which is the maximum allowed by Parliament, namely 12 months. Were it otherwise consideration would have to be given to consecutive terms to ensure that the criminality is properly recognised. This was a sustained and deliberate course of conduct and the overspend on the short campaign was very substantial indeed. The sentence on each count will therefore be 9 months imprisonment, suspended for two years.1 -
I know some "well, he might" opinions have been floated on this, but it seems the consensus is a prison sentence is quite unlikely.MarqueeMark said:
The are just being VERY thorough.nico679 said:Only 90 minutes to go before jury deliberations end for the day .
If there’s no verdict before then it would be a bad sign for the prosecution .
As you'd expect if they were about to cause the jailing of the first ex-President of the USA.
On time taken, not guilty verdicts just often come quickly. Given unanimity is needed to convict, if four or five jurors are very sceptical, the rest tend to realise pretty quickly it's going nowhere. But if a couple are mildly sceptical but not fixed, the discussion goes on a long time.
Also, they've notably been asking the judge about evidence on underlying crimes concealed by the payment. That implies they're satisfied the payment to Cohen was reimbursement for the Daniels hush money, as the underlying crimes concealed are only relevant if that element is proven. In turn, that means the defence efforts to destroy Cohen's credibility have been unsuccessful.1 -
Even if he’s box office, he’s not ballot box. There’s an election on, put someone on the telly who has the balls to stand.Casino_Royale said:
I didn't say I was a fan.Jonathan said:
I didn’t know you were a fan.Casino_Royale said:
I said he's box office. He sells tickets.0 -
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I'm on Henley & Thame at a bit over 3. LDs to be the second largest party at mid-teens. I'm hoping some Scotland markets open up - there'll be value on Tory holds there.Omnium said:Re Header: I don't imagine much will change. I didn't imagine Labour would go from polling 24% in April 2017 to actually getting 41% either!
I'm really struggling to find any good bets so far with this GE. I usually love picking through the constituency markets and finding some wrinkle that represents opportunity. This time though it's just hard to see past the Red tide demolishing walls of all colour.
My betting, and Sunak's campaigning need to identify some sort of a theme which will capture hearts and minds. The problem that they have is that their best asset (Hunt) is in a perfectly balanced stand-off with Labour's best asset (Reeves).
The most interesting market out there to my mind is BFs 'How many seats will the Tories lose' - that 201 line is rather good - although (and this nearly caught me out) it is based on the 2019 baseline. (I've no current position)0 -
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An over promoted bus conductor?Casino_Royale said:
I didn't say I was a fan.Jonathan said:
I didn’t know you were a fan.Casino_Royale said:
I said he's box office. He sells tickets.0 -
She's going to be lonely next parliament!Taz said:Zarah Sultana status 😂
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@LukeTryl
The National Service announcement had broadly landed well, people felt it would do young people good, and teach respect - but they didn't trust the Tories to run the scheme well. People were also much more sceptical if it was defacto conscription as opposed to community service.
@robfordmancs
Conservatives had this problem in 1997 too - as British Election Stufy showed, policies which polled well on their own became less popular when associated with Conservatives. Con brand was so toxic it tarnished anything it touched.0 -
Well, empirically…Casino_Royale said:
For the next 5 weeks everything Sunak says and does, or doesn't say or doesn't do, will be argue to be catastrophic.GIN1138 said:
I thought he handled that quite well? 🤷♂️rottenborough said:Rachel Cunliffe
@RMCunliffe
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Back in January I was talking to various Tory strategists about exactly this worry: that Sunak had never been front and centre of a national campaign and would behave in front of the cameras and the public like... well, like this
https://x.com/RMCunliffe/status/17962216096671786780 -
Does it? A simple swingometer gives a difference of 3 seats.ToryJim said:
Yes, and no. The changes on this poll probably saves 10-15 seats especially as the gap to the Lib Dem’s is wider.Peter_the_Punter said:
If they are squeezing reform but still not closing the gap, that's a bit of a problem, isn't it?ToryJim said:
Labour would still have a colossal majority with those figures. Hopefully the Tories can squeeze Reform but need to see more evidence.TimS said:🚨 NEW POLL 🚨
@BMGResearch for @theipaper
Labour 43% +2
Tories 27% +2
Reform 11% -3
Lib Dems 9%
Greens 6%
16pt lead is unchanged from last BMG poll in April. But 3pt fall in Reform's standing suggests the squeeze *might* be on...
https://x.com/hugogye/status/1796250395796296139?s=46
More widely if they continue to squeeze reform that's good for the Tories, but I think people are underweighting tactical voting this election - both Lab & LD will be very efficient.0 -
Polling was consistently shit in 1992 wasn’t it!Stuartinromford said:
And that's the point.Clutch_Brompton said:
Having people say that about him is catastrophicCasino_Royale said:
For the next 5 weeks everything Sunak says and does, or doesn't say or doesn't do, will be argue to be catastrophic.GIN1138 said:
I thought he handled that quite well? 🤷♂️rottenborough said:Rachel Cunliffe
@RMCunliffe
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Back in January I was talking to various Tory strategists about exactly this worry: that Sunak had never been front and centre of a national campaign and would behave in front of the cameras and the public like... well, like this
https://x.com/RMCunliffe/status/1796221609667178678
Politics isn't entirely rational, any more than any other human encounter. Some people have "it", but others don't.
Sunak doesn't have "it" at any level at all, which is why he's fated to wander the country with a "kick me" sign pinned to the back of his jacket. If he were a brilliantly effective technocrat, that would be fine, we'd respect that. But he isn't. So he's in deep deep trouble. Some of it is unfair, but not all of it. And if you've benefitted from the good luck, you can't complain when it deserts you.
Meanwhile, here's an infographic beautiful enough to hang on the wall of a gallery of modern art. How opinion polls change (or don't) over a campaign.
https://twitter.com/Dylan_Difford/status/17962495149084837790 -
Actually, I wouldn't write Sultana off. She's ever so young (30), and has got something about her, some charisma, with particular appeal to the youth. I wouldn't be at all surprised if her views moderate over the coming years and she ends up being a politician of some status.Taz said:Zarah Sultana status 😂
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Yeah. And there's no Lib Dem...Jonathan said:
Even if he’s box office, he’s not ballot box. There’s an election on, put someone on the telly who has the balls to stand.Casino_Royale said:
I didn't say I was a fan.Jonathan said:
I didn’t know you were a fan.Casino_Royale said:
I said he's box office. He sells tickets.
What's @RochdalePioneers up to?0 -
Not really pandora's box still had hope in itFarooq said:
More like Pandora's Box.Jonathan said:
Even if he’s box office, he’s not ballot box. There’s an election on, put someone on the telly who has the balls to stand.Casino_Royale said:
I didn't say I was a fan.Jonathan said:
I didn’t know you were a fan.Casino_Royale said:
I said he's box office. He sells tickets.0 -
I'm not sure she's clever enough to do an AOC, but we'll see.Northern_Al said:
Actually, I wouldn't write Sultana off. She's ever so young (30), and has got something about her, some charisma, with particular appeal to the youth. I wouldn't be at all surprised if her views moderate over the coming years and she ends up being a politician of some status.Taz said:Zarah Sultana status 😂
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Ed was supposed to be there but is currently sorting along the Thames…Daveyboy1961 said:Why is there no libdem on? If they're in epsom, that's a key area for them...
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ToryJim said:
Shaheen is spitting cobs…
https://x.com/faizashaheen/status/1796242335027565019?s=46
The way she has been treated is disgusting. I’m very happy that in this constituency I don’t have to vote Labour to kick the Tories.
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Seriously, why not surface some interesting backbenchers than Farage. There’s bound to be a dozen of so candidates with as much to offer as Trumps bestie.0
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I regret horribly that there are so may things I can learn about but I have not enough time/money/freedom to do it. I would pounce on this like a leopard on a sheep. Damn, damn, damn...Omnium said:
Game theory is just a wonderful area of mathematics. I worked for a while on a very (very) narrow aspect of it, and the complexity and confusion along the way was mind-numbing. I think I (and others) arrived at something that was a reasonable answer (and mathematically sound) to the commercial question that was the driver for this, but it is so rich in apparently almost endless depth to simple questions.viewcode said:Everybody always brings in game theory, usually wrongly
Here's a guy doing it for real
* Simon Sinek (Ted talk, short): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bFs6ZiynSU
* Simon Sinek (Talks at Google, long): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_osKgFwKoDQ
I think that in the future it will become a huge area of research - because AI sort of needs a gameplan. If anyone knows of any commercial game theory consultancy start-ups, then I'm keen to invest!
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I really don't think so. It would have been Rochdale revisited had she been allowed to continue to stand.Monksfield said:ToryJim said:Shaheen is spitting cobs…
https://x.com/faizashaheen/status/1796242335027565019?s=46
The way she has been treated is disgusting. I’m very happy that in this constituency I don’t have to vote Labour to kick the Tories.
Just to add what would have been the reaction had it been a BNP post she'd liked. Antisemitism is racism. End of.2 -
As a Middlesex fan I feel obliged to point out that the MCC stands for Marylebone Cricket Club. Middlesex essentially just pay to use Lord’s.turbotubbs said:
When the MCC ran cricket, I think his criticism would have had more weight. Womens cricket is taking off hugely and cricket is all the better for it. (Aside of the need aparently to call batsmen batters - they’ve not renamed third man yet have they?) Now it’s under the aegis of the ICC the MCC is a just a boring gammon club with a cricket ground attached. Let them get on with it. As posted Surrey is vastly more successful and a better club than Middlesex will ever be.algarkirk said:
Born Hampstead. Uppingham, Queen's College Cambridge, Garrick, Pratt's, MCC. Oik.Benpointer said:
Stephen Fry says MCC stinks of privilege and classismtlg86 said:Stephen Fry trying to change another institution:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/30/stephen-fry-says-mcc-stinks-of-privilege-and-classism/
Fry, 66, also skewered his fellow MCC members, saying of the club: “It has a public face that is deeply disturbing, sort of beetroot-coloured gentleman in yellow-and-orange blazers sitting in this space in front of the Long Room and looking as if they’d come out of an Edwardian cartoon.”
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The media people surely know better but could not be any more clearly taking instruction from Trump's team on what lines to take.Nigelb said:Republicans are losing their shit over the judge not providing a written copy of his instructions to the jury (“that’s obvious bias” etc) not realising he could only have done so, under NY rules, had the defendant requested it.
https://www.nycourts.gov/judges/cji/1-General/CJI2d.Written_Instructions_to_Jury.pdf
Discovery in the Fox/Dominion case showed very bluntly that disagreeing with Trump hurts their business and the top executives then weigh in to tell them to stop doing it. (In that case it bit them in the end when sued).1 -
I thought someone would pick that up! So they have at least one!Stereodog said:
As a Middlesex fan I feel obliged to point out that the MCC stands for Marylebone Cricket Club. Middlesex essentially just pay to use Lord’s.turbotubbs said:
When the MCC ran cricket, I think his criticism would have had more weight. Womens cricket is taking off hugely and cricket is all the better for it. (Aside of the need aparently to call batsmen batters - they’ve not renamed third man yet have they?) Now it’s under the aegis of the ICC the MCC is a just a boring gammon club with a cricket ground attached. Let them get on with it. As posted Surrey is vastly more successful and a better club than Middlesex will ever be.algarkirk said:
Born Hampstead. Uppingham, Queen's College Cambridge, Garrick, Pratt's, MCC. Oik.Benpointer said:
Stephen Fry says MCC stinks of privilege and classismtlg86 said:Stephen Fry trying to change another institution:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/30/stephen-fry-says-mcc-stinks-of-privilege-and-classism/
Fry, 66, also skewered his fellow MCC members, saying of the club: “It has a public face that is deeply disturbing, sort of beetroot-coloured gentleman in yellow-and-orange blazers sitting in this space in front of the Long Room and looking as if they’d come out of an Edwardian cartoon.”
Isn't that why he joined it?
I also play for the MCC - Marshfield Cricket Club…0 -
@MrMichaelSpicer
the room next door - Rishi Sunak and the Eye Roller
https://x.com/MrMichaelSpicer/status/17962490637775791132 -
I’m at the Oval.2
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Akehurst has blogged equally controversial opinions on the other side of the argument (one I shy away from because there are no rights) and been rewarded with a safe seat. There’s no even handedness here.ThomasNashe said:
I really don't think so. It would have been Rochdale revisited had she been allowed to continue to stand.Monksfield said:ToryJim said:Shaheen is spitting cobs…
https://x.com/faizashaheen/status/1796242335027565019?s=46
The way she has been treated is disgusting. I’m very happy that in this constituency I don’t have to vote Labour to kick the Tories.
Just to add what would have been the reaction had it been a BNP post she'd liked. Antisemitism is racism. End of.
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'Other side of the argument'?Monksfield said:
Akehurst has blogged equally controversial opinions on the other side of the argument (one I shy away from because there are no rights) and been rewarded with a safe seat. There’s no even handedness here.ThomasNashe said:
I really don't think so. It would have been Rochdale revisited had she been allowed to continue to stand.Monksfield said:ToryJim said:Shaheen is spitting cobs…
https://x.com/faizashaheen/status/1796242335027565019?s=46
The way she has been treated is disgusting. I’m very happy that in this constituency I don’t have to vote Labour to kick the Tories.
Just to add what would have been the reaction had it been a BNP post she'd liked. Antisemitism is racism. End of.0 -
Indeed. I've seen some of the most virulent anti Trumpers predict it would take the jury all week or beyond regardless, and they wouldn't worry unless it goes past Monday.MarqueeMark said:
The are just being VERY thorough.nico679 said:Only 90 minutes to go before jury deliberations end for the day .
If there’s no verdict before then it would be a bad sign for the prosecution .
As you'd expect if they were about to cause the jailing of the first ex-President of the USA.
It is frustrating, as for all there are complexities it's a few key incidents which basically come down to believing witnesses or not to make or break the case.
He won't go to jail though (not that they are supposed to consider that possibility), he'd be left out on bail pending appeal if a jail term is determined. I think it would be.0 -
Sounds like an unscrupulous lobby group.Stereodog said:
As a Middlesex fan I feel obliged to point out that the MCC stands for Marylebone Cricket Club. Middlesex essentially just pay to use Lord’s.turbotubbs said:
When the MCC ran cricket, I think his criticism would have had more weight. Womens cricket is taking off hugely and cricket is all the better for it. (Aside of the need aparently to call batsmen batters - they’ve not renamed third man yet have they?) Now it’s under the aegis of the ICC the MCC is a just a boring gammon club with a cricket ground attached. Let them get on with it. As posted Surrey is vastly more successful and a better club than Middlesex will ever be.algarkirk said:
Born Hampstead. Uppingham, Queen's College Cambridge, Garrick, Pratt's, MCC. Oik.Benpointer said:
Stephen Fry says MCC stinks of privilege and classismtlg86 said:Stephen Fry trying to change another institution:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/30/stephen-fry-says-mcc-stinks-of-privilege-and-classism/
Fry, 66, also skewered his fellow MCC members, saying of the club: “It has a public face that is deeply disturbing, sort of beetroot-coloured gentleman in yellow-and-orange blazers sitting in this space in front of the Long Room and looking as if they’d come out of an Edwardian cartoon.”
Isn't that why he joined it?0 -
When I was at Uni I lived in Dorset Square - there was a plaque that said “original site of Lords Cricket Ground” it must have been the smallest cricket pitch ever. I think they must have been lying.Stereodog said:
As a Middlesex fan I feel obliged to point out that the MCC stands for Marylebone Cricket Club. Middlesex essentially just pay to use Lord’s.turbotubbs said:
When the MCC ran cricket, I think his criticism would have had more weight. Womens cricket is taking off hugely and cricket is all the better for it. (Aside of the need aparently to call batsmen batters - they’ve not renamed third man yet have they?) Now it’s under the aegis of the ICC the MCC is a just a boring gammon club with a cricket ground attached. Let them get on with it. As posted Surrey is vastly more successful and a better club than Middlesex will ever be.algarkirk said:
Born Hampstead. Uppingham, Queen's College Cambridge, Garrick, Pratt's, MCC. Oik.Benpointer said:
Stephen Fry says MCC stinks of privilege and classismtlg86 said:Stephen Fry trying to change another institution:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/30/stephen-fry-says-mcc-stinks-of-privilege-and-classism/
Fry, 66, also skewered his fellow MCC members, saying of the club: “It has a public face that is deeply disturbing, sort of beetroot-coloured gentleman in yellow-and-orange blazers sitting in this space in front of the Long Room and looking as if they’d come out of an Edwardian cartoon.”
Isn't that why he joined it?0 -
By far the best cricket ground in the country.BatteryCorrectHorse said:I’m at the Oval.
A large cadre of people at work (including yours truly) are on the cheap memberships and go there after work for the domestic games.0 -
I very rarely watch Question Time, but that wasn't too bad. All the right topics covered and the audience seemed fairly decent. As it was in Epsom, it could have done with having a Lib Dem on.0
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I agree. She is big on TikTok, a rare politician who knows how to make interesting content.Northern_Al said:
Actually, I wouldn't write Sultana off. She's ever so young (30), and has got something about her, some charisma, with particular appeal to the youth. I wouldn't be at all surprised if her views moderate over the coming years and she ends up being a politician of some status.Taz said:Zarah Sultana status 😂
https://x.com/yisraelchaiadam/status/1795886226844598528?s=61
I don't agree with her politics, but we need a variety of opinions in Parliament.1 -
I don’t think there’s any real correlation between length of deliberation and verdict ?kle4 said:
Indeed. I've seen some of the most virulent anti Trumpers predict it would take the jury all week or beyond regardless, and they wouldn't worry unless it goes past Monday.MarqueeMark said:
The are just being VERY thorough.nico679 said:Only 90 minutes to go before jury deliberations end for the day .
If there’s no verdict before then it would be a bad sign for the prosecution .
As you'd expect if they were about to cause the jailing of the first ex-President of the USA.
It is frustrating, as for all there are complexities it's a few key incidents which basically come down to believing witnesses or not to make or break the case.
He won't go to jail though (not that they are supposed to consider that possibility), he'd be left out on bail pending appeal if a jail term is determined. I think it would be.0 -
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Pro-Israel vs. Pro-Palestine - there's no need to be obtuse.ThomasNashe said:
'Other side of the argument'?Monksfield said:
Akehurst has blogged equally controversial opinions on the other side of the argument (one I shy away from because there are no rights) and been rewarded with a safe seat. There’s no even handedness here.ThomasNashe said:
I really don't think so. It would have been Rochdale revisited had she been allowed to continue to stand.Monksfield said:ToryJim said:Shaheen is spitting cobs…
https://x.com/faizashaheen/status/1796242335027565019?s=46
The way she has been treated is disgusting. I’m very happy that in this constituency I don’t have to vote Labour to kick the Tories.
Just to add what would have been the reaction had it been a BNP post she'd liked. Antisemitism is racism. End of.0 -
A more experienced leader than Rishi Sunak would have known when to hide in a fridge and when, on a photo-op, to lie about it despite all the cameras.rottenborough said:Rachel Cunliffe
@RMCunliffe
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Back in January I was talking to various Tory strategists about exactly this worry: that Sunak had never been front and centre of a national campaign and would behave in front of the cameras and the public like... well, like this
https://x.com/RMCunliffe/status/17962216096671786781 -
If Israel vs Palestine isn’t an argument, then I don’t know what is.ThomasNashe said:
'Other side of the argument'?Monksfield said:
Akehurst has blogged equally controversial opinions on the other side of the argument (one I shy away from because there are no rights) and been rewarded with a safe seat. There’s no even handedness here.ThomasNashe said:
I really don't think so. It would have been Rochdale revisited had she been allowed to continue to stand.Monksfield said:ToryJim said:Shaheen is spitting cobs…
https://x.com/faizashaheen/status/1796242335027565019?s=46
The way she has been treated is disgusting. I’m very happy that in this constituency I don’t have to vote Labour to kick the Tories.
Just to add what would have been the reaction had it been a BNP post she'd liked. Antisemitism is racism. End of.
Akehurst has argued that the UN is antisemitic, effectively for holding positions on settlement that are consistent with international law. I find those views offensive, just as he no doubt finds Shaheen’s are.4 -
It may make no difference to the result, but the Labour Press team are having a much better campaign than the Tories...DecrepiterJohnL said:
A more experienced leader than Rishi Sunak would have known when to hide in a fridge and when, on a photo-op, to lie about it despite all the cameras.rottenborough said:Rachel Cunliffe
@RMCunliffe
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1h
Back in January I was talking to various Tory strategists about exactly this worry: that Sunak had never been front and centre of a national campaign and would behave in front of the cameras and the public like... well, like this
https://x.com/RMCunliffe/status/1796221609667178678
https://x.com/labourpress/status/17962645385952790062 -
Tiny number of ‘supersharers’ spread the vast majority of fake news
https://www.science.org/content/article/tiny-number-supersharers-spread-vast-majority-fake-news
Did you see the article claiming Kamala Harris joked about killing Mike Pence and Donald Trump? Or the one about large numbers of Trump votes being secretly switched to Joe Biden? If stories like this, run by fake news sites such as Infowars or Gatewaypundit, popped up in your social media feed about the 2020 U.S. presidential election, they probably came from a tiny group of people with a massive impact.
A mere 2000 or so “supersharers” spread 80% of content from fake news sites in a sample of more than 600,000 U.S. voters on X (formerly Twitter), according to an analysis published today in Science. The posters were more likely to be women and older—challenging the stereotype of social media manipulators as young, alt-right men—and they had a huge reach: More than one in 20 users in the data set followed at least one of these supersharers...0 -
It is entirely possible to advocate for Palestine and criticise Israel without being antisemitic. Unfortunately, Shaheen didn't manage that.Monksfield said:
If Israel vs Palestine isn’t an argument, then I don’t know what is.ThomasNashe said:
'Other side of the argument'?Monksfield said:
Akehurst has blogged equally controversial opinions on the other side of the argument (one I shy away from because there are no rights) and been rewarded with a safe seat. There’s no even handedness here.ThomasNashe said:
I really don't think so. It would have been Rochdale revisited had she been allowed to continue to stand.Monksfield said:ToryJim said:Shaheen is spitting cobs…
https://x.com/faizashaheen/status/1796242335027565019?s=46
The way she has been treated is disgusting. I’m very happy that in this constituency I don’t have to vote Labour to kick the Tories.
Just to add what would have been the reaction had it been a BNP post she'd liked. Antisemitism is racism. End of.
Akehurst has argued that the UN is antisemitic, effectively for holding positions on settlement that are consistent with international law. I find those views offensive, just as he no doubt finds Shaheen’s are.0 -
The jury is from Manhattan, if a jury won't convict Trump there of at least 1 of 38 charges he wouldn't be convicted anywhere in the USalgarkirk said:
FWIW it has always seemed to me that if all 12 are required for a guilty verdict this isn't going to happen.nico679 said:Only 90 minutes to go before jury deliberations end for the day .
If there’s no verdict before then it would be a bad sign for the prosecution .0 -
Can't hide in a fridge when you're so far behind.DecrepiterJohnL said:
A more experienced leader than Rishi Sunak would have known when to hide in a fridge and when, on a photo-op, to lie about it despite all the cameras.rottenborough said:Rachel Cunliffe
@RMCunliffe
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1h
Back in January I was talking to various Tory strategists about exactly this worry: that Sunak had never been front and centre of a national campaign and would behave in front of the cameras and the public like... well, like this
https://x.com/RMCunliffe/status/1796221609667178678
Talking of which YouGov have generated another set of numbers for The Times;
Overall the Conservatives are up one point on 21 per cent, Labour are down one point on 46 per cent while support for Reform UK has increased from 12 per cent to 15 per cent. The Liberal Democrats are down one point on 8 per cent.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a7198376-ceba-43f0-a566-44b8f4af21db0 -
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It really is unfair, there is a narrative that alleges it might have been Sunak who dobbed Johnson in for Partygate The story goes that the infamous photo that showed Mr and Mrs Johnson and a bunch of Downing Street staffers partying like it was 1999.during Lockdown One, was taken from Rishi's Office window. So did Rishi take it or was COVID Lockdown Downing Street an open house for allcomers with a camera?TheScreamingEagles said:
Yeah, he was genuinely ambushed by cake.Stuartinromford said:
And the response... Not at all tetchy.Scott_xP said:@LizzyBuchan
Rishi Sunak confronted over Partygate by a worker whose mum died during Covid - just before Sunak got a fine.
"How can anyone trust you after things like this?"
Sunak says he only got fined because he "turned up early" while "working on things to help you and your business"
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1796193024269062167
Which could be a problem next Tuesday. (And I've got some sympathy for Sunak on the fine- it was harsh given what else was going on.)0 -
Morrison did win a national election though, even if he isn't as good at selling books of deep state conspiracy theories to US rightwingersChameleon said:Per Popbitch:
"According to Nielsen BookScan, ex-Aussie PM Scott Morrison's book sold 218 copies in its first week in Australia; the sort of figure that makes Liz Truss look like Richard Osman."
Genuinely impressive figure.1 -
Are you suggesting that if Trump can make it there, he can make it anywhere?HYUFD said:
The jury is from Manhattan, if a jury won't convict Trump there of at least 1 of 38 charges he wouldn't be convicted anywhere in the USalgarkirk said:
FWIW it has always seemed to me that if all 12 are required for a guilty verdict this isn't going to happen.nico679 said:Only 90 minutes to go before jury deliberations end for the day .
If there’s no verdict before then it would be a bad sign for the prosecution .7 -
Some run chase so far!BatteryCorrectHorse said:I’m at the Oval.
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Sure, on the former, but this is why I generally avoid this topic like the plague. Because a) it bores me to death b) standards are not applied consistently or evenly and c) the way they are applied reminds me of the Spanish inquisition.ThomasNashe said:
It is entirely possible to advocate for Palestine and criticise Israel without being antisemitic. Unfortunately, Shaheen didn't manage that.Monksfield said:
If Israel vs Palestine isn’t an argument, then I don’t know what is.ThomasNashe said:
'Other side of the argument'?Monksfield said:
Akehurst has blogged equally controversial opinions on the other side of the argument (one I shy away from because there are no rights) and been rewarded with a safe seat. There’s no even handedness here.ThomasNashe said:
I really don't think so. It would have been Rochdale revisited had she been allowed to continue to stand.Monksfield said:ToryJim said:Shaheen is spitting cobs…
https://x.com/faizashaheen/status/1796242335027565019?s=46
The way she has been treated is disgusting. I’m very happy that in this constituency I don’t have to vote Labour to kick the Tories.
Just to add what would have been the reaction had it been a BNP post she'd liked. Antisemitism is racism. End of.
Akehurst has argued that the UN is antisemitic, effectively for holding positions on settlement that are consistent with international law. I find those views offensive, just as he no doubt finds Shaheen’s are.0 -
@Steven_Swinford
Breaking:
Labour retains a 25 point lead over Tories despite Rishi Sunak’s policy blitz, Yougov poll for The Times finds
Two of Rishi Sunak’s announcements - income tax cuts for pensioners & scrapping Micky mouse degrees - are popular with voters
Compulsory national service for 18 year olds is backed by 57% of over 65s but just 18% of those aged between 18 and 24
Just 6% of voters had a better view of Tories as a result of what they had seen and heard during the campaign so far, while 18% had a worse view
Labour: 46 (-1)
Conservatives: 21 (+1)
Reform UK: 15 (+3)
Lib Dems: 8 (-1)0 -
Which is a terrible indictment of the US judicial system because to anyone with at least a ten percent functioning brain he is as guilty as hell.HYUFD said:
The jury is from Manhattan, if a jury won't convict Trump there of at least 1 of 38 charges he wouldn't be convicted anywhere in the USalgarkirk said:
FWIW it has always seemed to me that if all 12 are required for a guilty verdict this isn't going to happen.nico679 said:Only 90 minutes to go before jury deliberations end for the day .
If there’s no verdict before then it would be a bad sign for the prosecution .0 -
Any pushy parents no longer able to afford private school fees would almost certainly not touch a state school that was anything other than Outstanding rated on everything with a bargepole. So it really makes no difference to raising state standards except reducing places for children who might otherwise have got into an Outstanding schooleek said:
Um ensuring that we have pushy parents trying to improve their local primary and secondary schools rather than paying to make a problem go away does to me seem like a good policy.Casino_Royale said:
It's perfectly possible he tries that.Benpointer said:
Breaking: Starmer has just applied for UK to re-join the EU!boulay said:
He will even fail at that. Someone who actually does something will hear it before him and post it here.Nigelb said:
OTOH, he’ll have the satisfaction of being first to post the news about Starmer reapplying for EU membership…boulay said:…
He’s too busy being a high achiever to waste time letting go of his bitterness. That’s time he could have spent in the corridors of power, making a difference, being successful. Better off reposting tweets.GIN1138 said:
Will Scott finally stop his 8 year sulk and let go his bitterness once Election 24 is over? 🙏Taz said:
Scott does.GIN1138 said:
Nobody cares about Rishi's travel arrangements?Scott_xP said:@mikeysmith
STORY
Rishi Sunak caught taking private helicopter flight home hours after gushing about train travel
https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/1796227395650744553
@DPMcBride
The little stool for getting on and off is very sweet.
https://x.com/DPMcBride/status/1796231370454516182
So nobody of any consequence.
It’s been the best possible opening for brilliant people like Scott to stand to be an MP and make a difference, stun us with his ideas, lead the country to a brighter future. Or just shitpost on PB.
[Thought I'd get in first, for the record.]
No-one has a clue what he's going to do, or what will renege on, except the shit policies he really seems to care about - like eviscerating our education sector.
Granted I know that you children won't be kept away from the working class but hey the working class now have the misfortune that.... (this last bit is a joke btw)..0 -
I’ll be at Durham Riverside tomorrow for the T20 double headerChameleon said:
By far the best cricket ground in the country.BatteryCorrectHorse said:I’m at the Oval.
A large cadre of people at work (including yours truly) are on the cheap memberships and go there after work for the domestic games.0 -
Not necessarily, if a jury has clearly decided on not guilty it normally reaches a verdict within a few hours (and the defence asked for a swift and decisive not guilty).nico679 said:Only 90 minutes to go before jury deliberations end for the day .
If there’s no verdict before then it would be a bad sign for the prosecution .
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Evening all
From the local news desk and the Open Newham blog - fun and games in Newham Labour following the departure of the former MP for West Ham, Lyn Brown, on Tuesday. Some rumours she wanted to switch to Stratford & Bow but her early canvassing suggested Labour will have a fight on their hands (not sure how much credence I give this) so she decided to step down.
James Asser, a Newham Councillor, is the Labour candidate for West Ham & Beckton.
The Conservatives have so far not selected any candidates in East Ham, West Ham & Beckton or Stratford & Bow. The LDs have a candidate in Stratford & Bow but not in the other two seats.
Sir Stephen Timms will stand again in East Ham and there are candidates from the Greens, Reform and the so-called Newham Independents (registration to be a party yet to be approved by the Electoral Commission so they are just calling themselves Independents). Said group are more likely to be working West Ham & Beckton where their candidate is Plaistow Councillor Sophia Naqvi.
Three Newham Council vacancies are all subject to by elections on July 4th - Beckton, Maryland and Forest Gate North, the latter two are in the Stratford & Bow Constituency..
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Again see my comment below regarding Durham Framwellgate. Basically a lot of the time you aren't going to get into the Outstanding school unless you up sticks and move next door to said school...HYUFD said:
Any pushy parents no longer able to afford private school fees would almost certainly not touch a state school that was anything other than Outstanding rated on everything with a bargepole. So it really makes no difference to raising state standards except reducing places for children who might otherwise have got into an Outstanding schooleek said:
Um ensuring that we have pushy parents trying to improve their local primary and secondary schools rather than paying to make a problem go away does to me seem like a good policy.Casino_Royale said:
It's perfectly possible he tries that.Benpointer said:
Breaking: Starmer has just applied for UK to re-join the EU!boulay said:
He will even fail at that. Someone who actually does something will hear it before him and post it here.Nigelb said:
OTOH, he’ll have the satisfaction of being first to post the news about Starmer reapplying for EU membership…boulay said:…
He’s too busy being a high achiever to waste time letting go of his bitterness. That’s time he could have spent in the corridors of power, making a difference, being successful. Better off reposting tweets.GIN1138 said:
Will Scott finally stop his 8 year sulk and let go his bitterness once Election 24 is over? 🙏Taz said:
Scott does.GIN1138 said:
Nobody cares about Rishi's travel arrangements?Scott_xP said:@mikeysmith
STORY
Rishi Sunak caught taking private helicopter flight home hours after gushing about train travel
https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/1796227395650744553
@DPMcBride
The little stool for getting on and off is very sweet.
https://x.com/DPMcBride/status/1796231370454516182
So nobody of any consequence.
It’s been the best possible opening for brilliant people like Scott to stand to be an MP and make a difference, stun us with his ideas, lead the country to a brighter future. Or just shitpost on PB.
[Thought I'd get in first, for the record.]
No-one has a clue what he's going to do, or what will renege on, except the shit policies he really seems to care about - like eviscerating our education sector.
Granted I know that you children won't be kept away from the working class but hey the working class now have the misfortune that.... (this last bit is a joke btw)..0 -
Trump jury dismissed for the evening..0
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@kaitlancollins
Judge Merchan says he is going to excuse the jury at 4:30 p.m. ET. They have not submitted any more notes since the third one this morning. That means deliberations are expected to resume tomorrow.2 -
Failing some Donaldson-like revelations about SKS the polls just aren't going to shift are they?Scott_xP said:@Steven_Swinford
Breaking:
Labour retains a 25 point lead over Tories despite Rishi Sunak’s policy blitz, Yougov poll for The Times finds
Two of Rishi Sunak’s announcements - income tax cuts for pensioners & scrapping Micky mouse degrees - are popular with voters
Compulsory national service for 18 year olds is backed by 57% of over 65s but just 18% of those aged between 18 and 24
Just 6% of voters had a better view of Tories as a result of what they had seen and heard during the campaign so far, while 18% had a worse view
Labour: 46 (-1)
Conservatives: 21 (+1)
Reform UK: 15 (+3)
Lib Dems: 8 (-1)0 -
Yes, in 2020 Manhattan voted 86% for BidenStuartinromford said:
Are you suggesting that if Trump can make it there, he can make it anywhere?HYUFD said:
The jury is from Manhattan, if a jury won't convict Trump there of at least 1 of 38 charges he wouldn't be convicted anywhere in the USalgarkirk said:
FWIW it has always seemed to me that if all 12 are required for a guilty verdict this isn't going to happen.nico679 said:Only 90 minutes to go before jury deliberations end for the day .
If there’s no verdict before then it would be a bad sign for the prosecution .0 -
Ominous rise for Reform just before Farage had another prime time slot on the BBC.Scott_xP said:@Steven_Swinford
Breaking:
Labour retains a 25 point lead over Tories despite Rishi Sunak’s policy blitz, Yougov poll for The Times finds
Two of Rishi Sunak’s announcements - income tax cuts for pensioners & scrapping Micky mouse degrees - are popular with voters
Compulsory national service for 18 year olds is backed by 57% of over 65s but just 18% of those aged between 18 and 24
Just 6% of voters had a better view of Tories as a result of what they had seen and heard during the campaign so far, while 18% had a worse view
Labour: 46 (-1)
Conservatives: 21 (+1)
Reform UK: 15 (+3)
Lib Dems: 8 (-1)0
