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    boulayboulay Posts: 5,085
    ToryJim said:

    boulay said:

    ToryJim said:

    Just catching up with the defection of Mark Logan. I hope he’s already cleared out his office as I suspect his former colleagues will probably want to lynch him if they bump into him.

    I suspect that this campaign is going to age Rishi by about 25 years. He might not be the most capable politician but he doesn’t exactly deserve this.

    I don’t think it will affect him too much - it’s not his one thing in life, it’s not the whole summation of his success or failure. When this goes tits up he’s still been Chancellor of the Exchequer, PM by mid forties, made millions in a career he was obviously successful at, married a billionairess, an amazing educational experience in different places and seems to have a happy marriage and lovely children. He has an incredible life ahead of him, more so than 99.999999999999999% of the world’s population and I think his tiggerish persona and desire to achieve will put it all in perspective.

    If he was a politician whose existence had been Uni, Spad, MP, shadow Cabinet, government and then it fell apart on their watch and was all they knew then bitterness would follow but I think Rishi will be ok.
    Just because he has other things in life doesn’t mean he’s not invested in this. He’s also human and this must be a nightmare. I know he signed up for it but nobody expects the hurricane of shite Rishi has to deal with.
    I’m sure he’s super invested in it but I’m sure he realised what a clusterfuck he was inheriting and the challenge ahead. It will be frustrating but as I said, it’s not as if his whole life and career has been politics and his other successes will soften the blow a lot. I imagine it was worse for Gordon Brown (and I’m no fan), it’s clearly driven Liz mad. All ex PMs deal with their failures differently and most seem to be ok - Blair went after the money to ease the pain, Cameron went after the money to ease the pain, May stayed solid and dull but contributed where she felt comfortable, Boris (guess what) went after the money to ease the pain. Rishi will be annoyed and wonder if he could have done things differently but he’s young and has many adventures and opportunities ahead but he was PM of the UK, not a bad result to tick off.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 65,904
    boulay said:

    ToryJim said:

    boulay said:

    ToryJim said:

    Just catching up with the defection of Mark Logan. I hope he’s already cleared out his office as I suspect his former colleagues will probably want to lynch him if they bump into him.

    I suspect that this campaign is going to age Rishi by about 25 years. He might not be the most capable politician but he doesn’t exactly deserve this.

    I don’t think it will affect him too much - it’s not his one thing in life, it’s not the whole summation of his success or failure. When this goes tits up he’s still been Chancellor of the Exchequer, PM by mid forties, made millions in a career he was obviously successful at, married a billionairess, an amazing educational experience in different places and seems to have a happy marriage and lovely children. He has an incredible life ahead of him, more so than 99.999999999999999% of the world’s population and I think his tiggerish persona and desire to achieve will put it all in perspective.

    If he was a politician whose existence had been Uni, Spad, MP, shadow Cabinet, government and then it fell apart on their watch and was all they knew then bitterness would follow but I think Rishi will be ok.
    Just because he has other things in life doesn’t mean he’s not invested in this. He’s also human and this must be a nightmare. I know he signed up for it but nobody expects the hurricane of shite Rishi has to deal with.
    I’m sure he’s super invested in it but I’m sure he realised what a clusterfuck he was inheriting and the challenge ahead. It will be frustrating but as I said, it’s not as if his whole life and career has been politics and his other successes will soften the blow a lot. I imagine it was worse for Gordon Brown (and I’m no fan), it’s clearly driven Liz mad. All ex PMs deal with their failures differently and most seem to be ok - Blair went after the money to ease the pain, Cameron went after the money to ease the pain, May stayed solid and dull but contributed where she felt comfortable, Boris (guess what) went after the money to ease the pain. Rishi will be annoyed and wonder if he could have done things differently but he’s young and has many adventures and opportunities ahead but he was PM of the UK, not a bad result to tick off.
    And unless Starmer astonishes us all, he can wait a few years and then quietly point out what a horlicks his replacement made of the job.
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 11,588
    Question. If you were on a Trump jury that found him guilty, and he subsequently became POTUS again, would you feel more or less 100% sure that Trump would not find a way (like as if he had Putin's powers and wishes) of getting back at you?
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 50,567

    There is a thread of bitterness running through the Conservative contributors to PB.

    Cheer up comrades; in just over a month's time you can start to enjoy yourselves slagging off the government.

    Conversely, (PB) life is about to get much less enjoyable for us lefties.
    Only 5 more weeks of this bullshit :lol:
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 46,743
    algarkirk said:

    PJH said:

    kinabalu said:

    nico679 said:

    Starmer starting to look shifty

    What do you mean starting to ! Lol

    Everyone knows I’d have been much happier with Angela Rayner as leader . I want rid of the Tories and will be tactically voting Lib Dem in Eastbourne but really this feels nothing like 1997 .

    Maybe I’m just a bit too old and bitter and cynical now but it’s all so underwhelming .
    I'm not so underwhelmed. July 5th will be a great day because we’ll have a Labour government after all these years of the Conservatives. Yes, the policies, and we’ll see what they are in due course, once the election is over, however it’s mainly about the overall ambience of things when you have Labour in office rather than the Tories. It’s a 24/7 source of quiet contentment, a pleasant background hum, always there, bringing comfort on a bad day, a little extra spice to a good one. It isn’t something you think about often, that Labour’s in power, but this is the point, you don’t need to always be thinking about it because you kind of know that all is ok and in order. If a Tory government is like having a stone in your shoe, which it is, a Labour government is like wearing a well-cut pair of trousers. So this is what I can (figuratively) look forward to now. Several years, perhaps a decade or more, of walking around in a well-cut pair of trousers. If that's not a :smile: I don't know what is.
    ROFL.

    what madness, Youre getting rid of an old banger ( deservedly ) but have absolutely no idea of what is going to replace it. For an accountant the whole concept of due diligence seems to have passed you by.
    What would you like to replace said banger?
    A conservative government with actual conservative policies.

    That's not on offer either.
    I don't know. The Labour Party looks like a rather conservative party to me. You might be surprised.
    It's not. It's big government, interfere in people's lives, spend money we havent got. Tories are the same.
    Does anyone in the advanced western world have a coherent manifesto, covering all the essential ground, for a small government, non interfering, liberty loving, budget balancing, low spending way of running a large and complex country?
    I don't think you want the EFF manifesto on your shortlist.
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    JamarionJamarion Posts: 49
    boulay said:

    ToryJim said:

    Just catching up with the defection of Mark Logan. I hope he’s already cleared out his office as I suspect his former colleagues will probably want to lynch him if they bump into him.

    I suspect that this campaign is going to age Rishi by about 25 years. He might not be the most capable politician but he doesn’t exactly deserve this.

    I don’t think it will affect him too much - it’s not his one thing in life, it’s not the whole summation of his success or failure. When this goes tits up he’s still been Chancellor of the Exchequer, PM by mid forties, made millions in a career he was obviously successful at, married a billionairess, an amazing educational experience in different places and seems to have a happy marriage and lovely children. He has an incredible life ahead of him, more so than 99.999999999999999% of the world’s population and I think his tiggerish persona and desire to achieve will put it all in perspective.

    If he was a politician whose existence had been Uni, Spad, MP, shadow Cabinet, government and then it fell apart on their watch and was all they knew then bitterness would follow but I think Rishi will be ok.
    Nothing that boot polish on the balls and toothpaste up the arse at boarding school after a spot of WinCoFo doesn't equip a man to be able to face in later life.

    Back in the real world, this twat strikes me as somebody who couldn't manage to have a conversation at a bus stop, if he even understands how bus stops work.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 55,308
    boulay said:

    ToryJim said:

    Just catching up with the defection of Mark Logan. I hope he’s already cleared out his office as I suspect his former colleagues will probably want to lynch him if they bump into him.

    I suspect that this campaign is going to age Rishi by about 25 years. He might not be the most capable politician but he doesn’t exactly deserve this.

    I don’t think it will affect him too much - it’s not his one thing in life, it’s not the whole summation of his success or failure. When this goes tits up he’s still been Chancellor of the Exchequer, PM by mid forties, made millions in a career he was obviously successful at, married a billionairess, an amazing educational experience in different places and seems to have a happy marriage and lovely children. He has an incredible life ahead of him, more so than 99.999999999999999% of the world’s population and I think his tiggerish persona and desire to achieve will put it all in perspective.

    If he was a politician whose existence had been Uni, Spad, MP, shadow Cabinet, government and then it fell apart on their watch and was all they knew then bitterness would follow but I think Rishi will be ok.
    Point of order: 99.999999999999999% of the world’s population leaves less than one person. You are literally saying he is the person on the planet with the greatest life ahead of him. And I think that is incorrect.

    You do know the "p" in "pb" stands for "pedant", right?
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,605

    There is a thread of bitterness running through the Conservative contributors to PB.

    Cheer up comrades; in just over a month's time you can start to enjoy yourselves slagging off the government.

    Yeah, but will there be a Conservative Party left?
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    DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,048
    edited May 30
    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    boulay said:

    South Africa 2024 General Election
    with 29.5% reporting = 3,578,070 counted

    African National Congress 1,519,417 42.5%
    Democratic Alliance 897,332 25.1%
    Economic Freedom Fighters 320,888 9.0%
    uMkhonto weSizwe 309,037 8.6%
    Patriotic Alliance 135,134 3.8%
    Inkatha Freedom Party 78,751 2.0%
    Freedom Front Plus 65,575 1.8%
    45 other parties combined 251,936 7.0%

    Coming to a General Election near you soon, Liz Truss’ “Economic Freedom Fighters”.

    Although I like the party for people who are so drunk they can’t speak “uMkhonto weSizwe”. After the combined student and drunken gammon vote I guess.
    Except EFF are borderline Marxists
    EFF are Fanonists. They correctly identify the problem with (white minority capitalism) and solution to (no white minority capitalism) to South Africa's problems.
    Yes, but also rather Maoist.

    Their manifesto is quite some read.

    https://effonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/A5-EFF-2024-Manifesto-full-version.pdf
    I reckon there's more specific detail in that manifesto than we'll have in the Labour one.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 34,982
    boulay said:

    Rishi will be annoyed and wonder if he could have done things differently but he’s young and has many adventures and opportunities ahead but he was PM of the UK, not a bad result to tick off.

    Richi applied for the gig, and was beaten by a woman who lost to a lettuce.

    He was then given the gig as a consolation prize.

    That will not be his fondest memory.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 34,982
    Jamarion said:

    Back in the real world, this twat strikes me as somebody who couldn't manage to have a conversation at a bus stop, if he even understands how bus stops work.

    There is an entire meme based on a single picture of him talking to a woman on a bus
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 65,904
    Last fall, the State Dept polled Mexicans on how willing they’d be to migrate irregularly to the US in the next 6 months. Nearly 40% said they’d be ‘somewhat’ or ‘very’ willing. That was up from 9% in early 2022...
    https://x.com/marybsheridan/status/1795544200726933747

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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,460
    algarkirk said:

    Question. If you were on a Trump jury that found him guilty, and he subsequently became POTUS again, would you feel more or less 100% sure that Trump would not find a way (like as if he had Putin's powers and wishes) of getting back at you?

    He'll have way more important vendette to pursue than some scrandy from a jury. Prosecuting and/or indicting the Biden Crime Family for a start.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 33,915
    edited May 30

    .

    kinabalu said:

    nico679 said:

    Starmer starting to look shifty

    What do you mean starting to ! Lol

    Everyone knows I’d have been much happier with Angela Rayner as leader . I want rid of the Tories and will be tactically voting Lib Dem in Eastbourne but really this feels nothing like 1997 .

    Maybe I’m just a bit too old and bitter and cynical now but it’s all so underwhelming .
    I'm not so underwhelmed. July 5th will be a great day because we’ll have a Labour government after all these years of the Conservatives. Yes, the policies, and we’ll see what they are in due course, once the election is over, however it’s mainly about the overall ambience of things when you have Labour in office rather than the Tories. It’s a 24/7 source of quiet contentment, a pleasant background hum, always there, bringing comfort on a bad day, a little extra spice to a good one. It isn’t something you think about often, that Labour’s in power, but this is the point, you don’t need to always be thinking about it because you kind of know that all is ok and in order. If a Tory government is like having a stone in your shoe, which it is, a Labour government is like wearing a well-cut pair of trousers. So this is what I can (figuratively) look forward to now. Several years, perhaps a decade or more, of walking around in a well-cut pair of trousers. If that's not a :smile: I don't know what is.
    When it comes down to it, you're just a football-team supporter of Labour.
    ...says Conservative FC ultra, Casino Royale
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    boulayboulay Posts: 5,085
    rcs1000 said:

    boulay said:

    ToryJim said:

    Just catching up with the defection of Mark Logan. I hope he’s already cleared out his office as I suspect his former colleagues will probably want to lynch him if they bump into him.

    I suspect that this campaign is going to age Rishi by about 25 years. He might not be the most capable politician but he doesn’t exactly deserve this.

    I don’t think it will affect him too much - it’s not his one thing in life, it’s not the whole summation of his success or failure. When this goes tits up he’s still been Chancellor of the Exchequer, PM by mid forties, made millions in a career he was obviously successful at, married a billionairess, an amazing educational experience in different places and seems to have a happy marriage and lovely children. He has an incredible life ahead of him, more so than 99.999999999999999% of the world’s population and I think his tiggerish persona and desire to achieve will put it all in perspective.

    If he was a politician whose existence had been Uni, Spad, MP, shadow Cabinet, government and then it fell apart on their watch and was all they knew then bitterness would follow but I think Rishi will be ok.
    Point of order: 99.999999999999999% of the world’s population leaves less than one person. You are literally saying he is the person on the planet with the greatest life ahead of him. And I think that is incorrect.

    You do know the "p" in "pb" stands for "pedant", right?
    I chose that number precisely. Because there is someone who is a sperm at the moment who has a better future but otherwise Rishi has it sorted. I just and appreciate your pedantry and regret my maths.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,965
    Confident prediction.
    In five weeks time, voting will be brisk.
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    numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,237
    GIN1138 said:

    There is a thread of bitterness running through the Conservative contributors to PB.

    Cheer up comrades; in just over a month's time you can start to enjoy yourselves slagging off the government.

    Yeah, but will there be a Conservative Party left?
    Meh, I’m sorta over the Tories. They’ve had a good run, they went batshit and awful at the end. If they come to their senses maybe they can offer me a political home again, if not maybe I can stick with Labour depending on how SKS gets on or maybe there’ll be a new right wing outfit to get behind. It’s quite an exciting time for our politics really.
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    boulayboulay Posts: 5,085
    Jamarion said:

    boulay said:

    ToryJim said:

    Just catching up with the defection of Mark Logan. I hope he’s already cleared out his office as I suspect his former colleagues will probably want to lynch him if they bump into him.

    I suspect that this campaign is going to age Rishi by about 25 years. He might not be the most capable politician but he doesn’t exactly deserve this.

    I don’t think it will affect him too much - it’s not his one thing in life, it’s not the whole summation of his success or failure. When this goes tits up he’s still been Chancellor of the Exchequer, PM by mid forties, made millions in a career he was obviously successful at, married a billionairess, an amazing educational experience in different places and seems to have a happy marriage and lovely children. He has an incredible life ahead of him, more so than 99.999999999999999% of the world’s population and I think his tiggerish persona and desire to achieve will put it all in perspective.

    If he was a politician whose existence had been Uni, Spad, MP, shadow Cabinet, government and then it fell apart on their watch and was all they knew then bitterness would follow but I think Rishi will be ok.
    Nothing that boot polish on the balls and toothpaste up the arse at boarding school after a spot of WinCoFo doesn't equip a man to be able to face in later life.

    Back in the real world, this twat strikes me as somebody who couldn't manage to have a conversation at a bus stop, if he even understands how bus stops work.
    Blimey. Is that you DJ41?
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 46,743
    DM_Andy said:

    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    boulay said:

    South Africa 2024 General Election
    with 29.5% reporting = 3,578,070 counted

    African National Congress 1,519,417 42.5%
    Democratic Alliance 897,332 25.1%
    Economic Freedom Fighters 320,888 9.0%
    uMkhonto weSizwe 309,037 8.6%
    Patriotic Alliance 135,134 3.8%
    Inkatha Freedom Party 78,751 2.0%
    Freedom Front Plus 65,575 1.8%
    45 other parties combined 251,936 7.0%

    Coming to a General Election near you soon, Liz Truss’ “Economic Freedom Fighters”.

    Although I like the party for people who are so drunk they can’t speak “uMkhonto weSizwe”. After the combined student and drunken gammon vote I guess.
    Except EFF are borderline Marxists
    EFF are Fanonists. They correctly identify the problem with (white minority capitalism) and solution to (no white minority capitalism) to South Africa's problems.
    Yes, but also rather Maoist.

    Their manifesto is quite some read.

    https://effonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/A5-EFF-2024-Manifesto-full-version.pdf
    I reckon there's more specific detail in that manifesto than we'll have in the Labour one.
    It runs to over 200 close printed pages so I am sure you are right.

    Few manifestos survive the impact of reality when in government.
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 16,883
    Any new opinion polls today?
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    FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,508
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    nico679 said:

    Starmer starting to look shifty

    What do you mean starting to ! Lol

    Everyone knows I’d have been much happier with Angela Rayner as leader . I want rid of the Tories and will be tactically voting Lib Dem in Eastbourne but really this feels nothing like 1997 .

    Maybe I’m just a bit too old and bitter and cynical now but it’s all so underwhelming .
    I'm not so underwhelmed. July 5th will be a great day because we’ll have a Labour government after all these years of the Conservatives. Yes, the policies, and we’ll see what they are in due course, once the election is over, however it’s mainly about the overall ambience of things when you have Labour in office rather than the Tories. It’s a 24/7 source of quiet contentment, a pleasant background hum, always there, bringing comfort on a bad day, a little extra spice to a good one. It isn’t something you think about often, that Labour’s in power, but this is the point, you don’t need to always be thinking about it because you kind of know that all is ok and in order. If a Tory government is like having a stone in your shoe, which it is, a Labour government is like wearing a well-cut pair of trousers. So this is what I can (figuratively) look forward to now. Several years, perhaps a decade or more, of walking around in a well-cut pair of trousers. If that's not a :smile: I don't know what is.
    You do realise there are *certain technological advancements* which make your anticipated contentment completely delusional?
    Trousers are to be replaced ?
    BRACE
    Do you mean BRACES?
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 34,982
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 65,904
    Dura_Ace said:

    algarkirk said:

    Question. If you were on a Trump jury that found him guilty, and he subsequently became POTUS again, would you feel more or less 100% sure that Trump would not find a way (like as if he had Putin's powers and wishes) of getting back at you?

    He'll have way more important vendette to pursue than some scrandy from a jury. Prosecuting and/or indicting the Biden Crime Family for a start.
    That’s not going to prevent his pursuing anyone who’s ever slighted him.
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    DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,048
    Do we have any local Ashfield intelligence? Is it a four-way marginal, a three-way marginal or is Labour going to get a decent majority with 35% of the vote?
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 46,743
    dixiedean said:

    Confident prediction.
    In five weeks time, voting will be brisk.

    I heard my first "the only poll that matters is the one on July 4th"

    The oldies are the goodies.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 65,904
    dixiedean said:

    Confident prediction.
    In five weeks time, voting will be brisk.

    Over 75% ? :wink:
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 34,982
    @mikeysmith
    STORY

    Rishi Sunak caught taking private helicopter flight home hours after gushing about train travel

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/1796227395650744553

    @DPMcBride

    The little stool for getting on and off is very sweet.

    https://x.com/DPMcBride/status/1796231370454516182
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    DopermeanDopermean Posts: 126
    ydoethur said:

    Anyway, in important news:

    Who do people favour for this year's hit and giggle?

    On paper, Surrey should be favourites, but it's not often the favourites win this one.

    Essex will miss Lawrence but Pepper has been getting some game time, but none of the odds are that tempting at this stage at 7s for the 4 favourites. Any county could get lucky / unlucky with the weather, worth waiting until they've qualified.
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    boulayboulay Posts: 5,085
    Scott_xP said:

    boulay said:

    Rishi will be annoyed and wonder if he could have done things differently but he’s young and has many adventures and opportunities ahead but he was PM of the UK, not a bad result to tick off.

    Richi applied for the gig, and was beaten by a woman who lost to a lettuce.

    He was then given the gig as a consolation prize.

    That will not be his fondest memory.
    Hopefully, for Rishi, he can aspire to reposting tweets on PB and know he’s made it. Until then he will always have the spectre of not having been as successful as Scott_xP hovering over him.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,605
    Scott_xP said:

    @mikeysmith
    STORY

    Rishi Sunak caught taking private helicopter flight home hours after gushing about train travel

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/1796227395650744553

    @DPMcBride

    The little stool for getting on and off is very sweet.

    https://x.com/DPMcBride/status/1796231370454516182

    Nobody cares about Rishi's travel arrangements?
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    Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,111
    edited May 30
    DM_Andy said:

    Do we have any local Ashfield intelligence? Is it a four-way marginal, a three-way marginal or is Labour going to get a decent majority with 35% of the vote?

    If you're looking for local Ashfield intelligence, don't bother asking their current MP.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 33,915
    dixiedean said:

    Confident prediction.
    In five weeks time, voting will be brisk.

    Five more weeks? God, it's like waiting for Christmas as a kid.
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    DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,048
    https://x.com/damocrat/status/1796179586536882340
    @BethRigby
    : “You’ve been benched at bit, but you’re back.”

    @AngelaRayner
    : “I’m back and I’m powering up the battle bus.”

    “An Angie Rayner battle bus is about to be unleashed?”

    “I have got an Angie Rayner battle bus. Yes. You’re gonna love it. It’s got a fridge.”
    When I talked about Starmer falling under the Labour battlebus this morning, I didn't expect Rayner to take up that as a suggestion.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Take this in:

    - A key Starmer ally spent his adult life craving a parliamentary seat in Brighton

    - He knew he would never win support from local members

    - On the eve of the election, a Brighton MP suddenly has a complaint made against him, allowing Ward to take his seat.


    https://x.com/owenjones84/status/1796187238000128272
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 46,743
    Scott_xP said:
    That's rather brilliant 👏 👏 👏
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    FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,508
    dixiedean said:

    Confident prediction.
    In five weeks time, voting will be brisk.

    I forsee it being steady rather than brisk.
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 11,588
    dixiedean said:

    Confident prediction.
    In five weeks time, voting will be brisk.

    Dogs will be at polling stations.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,605

    Any new opinion polls today?

    No. Thought we might get the first IPSOS of the campaign today but nothing so far...
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 9,946

    dixiedean said:

    Confident prediction.
    In five weeks time, voting will be brisk.

    I forsee it being steady rather than brisk.
    Sluggish in the burbs.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 34,982
    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:
    That's rather brilliant 👏 👏 👏
    prescient

    https://x.com/BrookesTimes/status/1796088285057389009
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 65,904
    algarkirk said:

    dixiedean said:

    Confident prediction.
    In five weeks time, voting will be brisk.

    Dogs will be at polling stations.
    For scale ?
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,965

    dixiedean said:

    Confident prediction.
    In five weeks time, voting will be brisk.

    Five more weeks? God, it's like waiting for Christmas as a kid.
    In the past five weeks over 1% of Tory MP's have defected.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,605
    edited May 30

    GIN1138 said:

    There is a thread of bitterness running through the Conservative contributors to PB.

    Cheer up comrades; in just over a month's time you can start to enjoy yourselves slagging off the government.

    Yeah, but will there be a Conservative Party left?
    Meh, I’m sorta over the Tories. They’ve had a good run, they went batshit and awful at the end. If they come to their senses maybe they can offer me a political home again, if not maybe I can stick with Labour depending on how SKS gets on or maybe there’ll be a new right wing outfit to get behind. It’s quite an exciting time for our politics really.
    I do think it's in everyone's interests that the Tories recover some semblance of sanity so they can be a credible opposition to the government.

    Generally when one party has a big majority and no opposition it makes for poor government, IMO.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 119,498
    edited May 30
    As another Tory joins Starmer Labour, another leftwinger leaves it

    '@vmv71241
    I’ve been a member of the Labour Party for 17 years. Today, I’ve cancelled my membership. As yet, I don’t know who I’m going to vote for but I certainly cannot fund a racist and sexist organisation.'

    https://x.com/vmv71241/status/1796086141147341166
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    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,146
    This is quite brilliant in relation to LRM

    https://x.com/oldroberts953/status/1795883200742314416?s=46
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 33,915
    edited May 30
    GIN1138 said:

    Any new opinion polls today?

    No. Thought we might get the first IPSOS of the campaign today but nothing so far...
    Was the More in Common yesterday? I'm losing track and it's only Friday.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,605

    GIN1138 said:

    Any new opinion polls today?

    No. Thought we might get the first IPSOS of the campaign today but nothing so far...
    What the More in Common yesterday? I'm losing track and it's only Friday.
    Yes, More In Common was yesterday... And it's Thursday actually ;)
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 119,498
    edited May 30
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    There is a thread of bitterness running through the Conservative contributors to PB.

    Cheer up comrades; in just over a month's time you can start to enjoy yourselves slagging off the government.

    Yeah, but will there be a Conservative Party left?
    Meh, I’m sorta over the Tories. They’ve had a good run, they went batshit and awful at the end. If they come to their senses maybe they can offer me a political home again, if not maybe I can stick with Labour depending on how SKS gets on or maybe there’ll be a new right wing outfit to get behind. It’s quite an exciting time for our politics really.
    I do think it's in everyone's interests that the Tories recover some semblance of sanity so they can be a credible opposition to the government.

    Generally when one party has a big majority and no opposition it makes for poor government, IMO.
    Not always, 1997-2001 or 1983-1987 were pretty strong governments with huge majorities and weak opposition
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 33,915
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Any new opinion polls today?

    No. Thought we might get the first IPSOS of the campaign today but nothing so far...
    What the More in Common yesterday? I'm losing track and it's only Friday.
    Yes, More In Common was yesterday... And it's Thursday actually ;)
    I've signed up to LuckyGuy's 'every day is Friday' conspiracy theory.
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    ChrisChris Posts: 11,636
    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:
    That's rather brilliant 👏 👏 👏
    It certainly seems like a bit of a Mickey Mouse operation.
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 9,946
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Any new opinion polls today?

    No. Thought we might get the first IPSOS of the campaign today but nothing so far...
    What the More in Common yesterday? I'm losing track and it's only Friday.
    Yes, More In Common was yesterday... And it's Thursday actually ;)
    Techne tracker should drop at some point this evening, tomorrow I imagine Survation and WeThink and another YouGov.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 20,326

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Any new opinion polls today?

    No. Thought we might get the first IPSOS of the campaign today but nothing so far...
    What the More in Common yesterday? I'm losing track and it's only Friday.
    Yes, More In Common was yesterday... And it's Thursday actually ;)
    I've signed up to LuckyGuy's 'every day is Friday' conspiracy theory.
    He said that Friday, I believe.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 119,498
    ToryJim said:

    This is quite brilliant in relation to LRM

    https://x.com/oldroberts953/status/1795883200742314416?s=46

    Mad maybe but more passion than I have ever seen Sir Keir muster
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,605
    edited May 30
    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    There is a thread of bitterness running through the Conservative contributors to PB.

    Cheer up comrades; in just over a month's time you can start to enjoy yourselves slagging off the government.

    Yeah, but will there be a Conservative Party left?
    Meh, I’m sorta over the Tories. They’ve had a good run, they went batshit and awful at the end. If they come to their senses maybe they can offer me a political home again, if not maybe I can stick with Labour depending on how SKS gets on or maybe there’ll be a new right wing outfit to get behind. It’s quite an exciting time for our politics really.
    I do think it's in everyone's interests that the Tories recover some semblance of sanity so they can be a credible opposition to the government.

    Generally when one party has a big majority and no opposition it makes for poor government, IMO.
    Not always, 1997-2001 or 1983-1987 were pretty strong governments with huge majorities and weak opposition
    Agree about 83-87 but 97-01 saw Blair very quickly losing touch with reality and becoming over-confident and arrogant.

    All the warning signs for what Blair and new Labour were morphing into were there by the end of that first Parliament, which is why I sat out the 2001 election (the only general election where I didn't vote) as the Tories were a shambles but Blair was clearly becoming an egomaniac and getting out of control.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 33,915
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    There is a thread of bitterness running through the Conservative contributors to PB.

    Cheer up comrades; in just over a month's time you can start to enjoy yourselves slagging off the government.

    Yeah, but will there be a Conservative Party left?
    Meh, I’m sorta over the Tories. They’ve had a good run, they went batshit and awful at the end. If they come to their senses maybe they can offer me a political home again, if not maybe I can stick with Labour depending on how SKS gets on or maybe there’ll be a new right wing outfit to get behind. It’s quite an exciting time for our politics really.
    I do think it's in everyone's interests that the Tories recover some semblance of sanity so they can be a credible opposition to the government.

    Generally when one party has a big majority and no opposition it makes for poor government, IMO.
    When was that?
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 33,915

    Take this in:

    - A key Starmer ally spent his adult life craving a parliamentary seat in Brighton

    - He knew he would never win support from local members

    - On the eve of the election, a Brighton MP suddenly has a complaint made against him, allowing Ward to take his seat.


    https://x.com/owenjones84/status/1796187238000128272

    Never had you down as an Owen Jones admirer.

    PS the first sentences is patently bullshit - why would anyone crave a parliamentary seat in one city and one city only?
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    TazTaz Posts: 12,567
    DM_Andy said:

    Do we have any local Ashfield intelligence? Is it a four-way marginal, a three-way marginal or is Labour going to get a decent majority with 35% of the vote?

    @MattW ?
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 33,915
    viewcode said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Any new opinion polls today?

    No. Thought we might get the first IPSOS of the campaign today but nothing so far...
    What the More in Common yesterday? I'm losing track and it's only Friday.
    Yes, More In Common was yesterday... And it's Thursday actually ;)
    I've signed up to LuckyGuy's 'every day is Friday' conspiracy theory.
    He said that Friday, I believe.
    No it was the day before that: on Friday.
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    TazTaz Posts: 12,567
    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @mikeysmith
    STORY

    Rishi Sunak caught taking private helicopter flight home hours after gushing about train travel

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/1796227395650744553

    @DPMcBride

    The little stool for getting on and off is very sweet.

    https://x.com/DPMcBride/status/1796231370454516182

    Nobody cares about Rishi's travel arrangements?
    Scott does.

    So nobody of any consequence.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 49,774
    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    boulay said:

    South Africa 2024 General Election
    with 29.5% reporting = 3,578,070 counted

    African National Congress 1,519,417 42.5%
    Democratic Alliance 897,332 25.1%
    Economic Freedom Fighters 320,888 9.0%
    uMkhonto weSizwe 309,037 8.6%
    Patriotic Alliance 135,134 3.8%
    Inkatha Freedom Party 78,751 2.0%
    Freedom Front Plus 65,575 1.8%
    45 other parties combined 251,936 7.0%

    Coming to a General Election near you soon, Liz Truss’ “Economic Freedom Fighters”.

    Although I like the party for people who are so drunk they can’t speak “uMkhonto weSizwe”. After the combined student and drunken gammon vote I guess.
    Except EFF are borderline Marxists
    EFF are Fanonists. They correctly identify the problem with (white minority capitalism) and solution to (no white minority capitalism) to South Africa's problems.
    Yes, but also rather Maoist.

    Their manifesto is quite some read.

    https://effonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/A5-EFF-2024-Manifesto-full-version.pdf
    Perhaps Diane Abbott could launch the UK version.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 33,915

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Any new opinion polls today?

    No. Thought we might get the first IPSOS of the campaign today but nothing so far...
    What the More in Common yesterday? I'm losing track and it's only Friday.
    Yes, More In Common was yesterday... And it's Thursday actually ;)
    Techne tracker should drop at some point this evening, tomorrow I imagine Survation and WeThink and another YouGov.
    I'd be very surprised if the gap doesn't close by a few percent in the coming days. All the Abbott noise will have an impact in the sort term imo.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 33,915
    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    There is a thread of bitterness running through the Conservative contributors to PB.

    Cheer up comrades; in just over a month's time you can start to enjoy yourselves slagging off the government.

    Yeah, but will there be a Conservative Party left?
    Meh, I’m sorta over the Tories. They’ve had a good run, they went batshit and awful at the end. If they come to their senses maybe they can offer me a political home again, if not maybe I can stick with Labour depending on how SKS gets on or maybe there’ll be a new right wing outfit to get behind. It’s quite an exciting time for our politics really.
    I do think it's in everyone's interests that the Tories recover some semblance of sanity so they can be a credible opposition to the government.

    Generally when one party has a big majority and no opposition it makes for poor government, IMO.
    Not always, 1997-2001 or 1983-1987 were pretty strong governments with huge majorities and weak opposition
    Agree about 83-87 but 97-01 saw Blair very quickly losing touch with reality and becoming over-confident and arrogant.

    All the warning signs for what Blair and new Labour were morphing into were there by the end of that first Parliament, which is why I sat out the 2001 election (the only general election where I didn't vote) as the Tories were a shambles but Blair was clearly becoming an egomaniac and getting out of control.
    But you voted for Thatcher in 87?
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 9,946

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Any new opinion polls today?

    No. Thought we might get the first IPSOS of the campaign today but nothing so far...
    What the More in Common yesterday? I'm losing track and it's only Friday.
    Yes, More In Common was yesterday... And it's Thursday actually ;)
    Techne tracker should drop at some point this evening, tomorrow I imagine Survation and WeThink and another YouGov.
    I'd be very surprised if the gap doesn't close by a few percent in the coming days. All the Abbott noise will have an impact in the sort term imo.
    Labour have also ticked up to a higher plateau recently so a fall off/back may be a natural movement
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,032

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    There is a thread of bitterness running through the Conservative contributors to PB.

    Cheer up comrades; in just over a month's time you can start to enjoy yourselves slagging off the government.

    Yeah, but will there be a Conservative Party left?
    Meh, I’m sorta over the Tories. They’ve had a good run, they went batshit and awful at the end. If they come to their senses maybe they can offer me a political home again, if not maybe I can stick with Labour depending on how SKS gets on or maybe there’ll be a new right wing outfit to get behind. It’s quite an exciting time for our politics really.
    I do think it's in everyone's interests that the Tories recover some semblance of sanity so they can be a credible opposition to the government.

    Generally when one party has a big majority and no opposition it makes for poor government, IMO.
    When was that?
    2019? 🤣
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,605
    edited May 30
    Taz said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @mikeysmith
    STORY

    Rishi Sunak caught taking private helicopter flight home hours after gushing about train travel

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/1796227395650744553

    @DPMcBride

    The little stool for getting on and off is very sweet.

    https://x.com/DPMcBride/status/1796231370454516182

    Nobody cares about Rishi's travel arrangements?
    Scott does.

    So nobody of any consequence.
    Will Scott finally stop his 8 year sulk and let go of his bitterness once Election 24 is over? 🙏
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 119,498
    @PeoplesMomentum
    ·
    19h
    The message from Keir Starmer couldn't be clearer:

    If you're left-wing, if you're a woman of colour, if you speak your own mind -

    Then you're not welcome. Disgusting.
    https://x.com/PeoplesMomentum/status/1795946387907006815
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,605
    edited May 30

    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    There is a thread of bitterness running through the Conservative contributors to PB.

    Cheer up comrades; in just over a month's time you can start to enjoy yourselves slagging off the government.

    Yeah, but will there be a Conservative Party left?
    Meh, I’m sorta over the Tories. They’ve had a good run, they went batshit and awful at the end. If they come to their senses maybe they can offer me a political home again, if not maybe I can stick with Labour depending on how SKS gets on or maybe there’ll be a new right wing outfit to get behind. It’s quite an exciting time for our politics really.
    I do think it's in everyone's interests that the Tories recover some semblance of sanity so they can be a credible opposition to the government.

    Generally when one party has a big majority and no opposition it makes for poor government, IMO.
    Not always, 1997-2001 or 1983-1987 were pretty strong governments with huge majorities and weak opposition
    Agree about 83-87 but 97-01 saw Blair very quickly losing touch with reality and becoming over-confident and arrogant.

    All the warning signs for what Blair and new Labour were morphing into were there by the end of that first Parliament, which is why I sat out the 2001 election (the only general election where I didn't vote) as the Tories were a shambles but Blair was clearly becoming an egomaniac and getting out of control.
    But you voted for Thatcher in 87?
    No, I'm not that old lol! 😂

    My first election was 1997, when I voted Labour. ;)
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    Take this in:

    - A key Starmer ally spent his adult life craving a parliamentary seat in Brighton

    - He knew he would never win support from local members

    - On the eve of the election, a Brighton MP suddenly has a complaint made against him, allowing Ward to take his seat.


    https://x.com/owenjones84/status/1796187238000128272

    PS the first sentences is patently bullshit - why would anyone crave a parliamentary seat in one city and one city only?
    It’s his home town? Jones is a (I suspect former) personal friend, so may have more insight?

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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 9,946
    Sam Freedman says 'he's never seen anything like it' over Logan etc
    Change UK ring any bells? The 2019 multi Party multi flounce?
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,758
    @GIN1138 - Were the Tories thinking what you were thinking in 2005?
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    boulayboulay Posts: 5,085
    GIN1138 said:

    Taz said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @mikeysmith
    STORY

    Rishi Sunak caught taking private helicopter flight home hours after gushing about train travel

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/1796227395650744553

    @DPMcBride

    The little stool for getting on and off is very sweet.

    https://x.com/DPMcBride/status/1796231370454516182

    Nobody cares about Rishi's travel arrangements?
    Scott does.

    So nobody of any consequence.
    Will Scott finally stop his 8 year sulk and let go his bitterness once Election 24 is over? 🙏
    He’s too busy being a high achiever to waste time letting go of his bitterness. That’s time he could have spent in the corridors of power, making a difference, being successful. Better off reposting tweets.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 65,904
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    There is a thread of bitterness running through the Conservative contributors to PB.

    Cheer up comrades; in just over a month's time you can start to enjoy yourselves slagging off the government.

    Yeah, but will there be a Conservative Party left?
    Meh, I’m sorta over the Tories. They’ve had a good run, they went batshit and awful at the end. If they come to their senses maybe they can offer me a political home again, if not maybe I can stick with Labour depending on how SKS gets on or maybe there’ll be a new right wing outfit to get behind. It’s quite an exciting time for our politics really.
    I do think it's in everyone's interests that the Tories recover some semblance of sanity so they can be a credible opposition to the government.

    Generally when one party has a big majority and no opposition it makes for poor government, IMO.
    Not always, 1997-2001 or 1983-1987 were pretty strong governments with huge majorities and weak opposition
    Agree about 83-87 but 97-01 saw Blair very quickly losing touch with reality and becoming over-confident and arrogant.

    All the warning signs for what Blair and new Labour were morphing into were there by the end of that first Parliament, which is why I sat out the 2001 election (the only general election where I didn't vote) as the Tories were a shambles but Blair was clearly becoming an egomaniac and getting out of control.
    But you voted for Thatcher in 87?
    No, I'm not that old lol! 😂

    My first election was 1997, when I voted Labour. ;)
    Thatcher was also losing touch with reality after ‘87.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 65,904
    boulay said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Taz said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @mikeysmith
    STORY

    Rishi Sunak caught taking private helicopter flight home hours after gushing about train travel

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/1796227395650744553

    @DPMcBride

    The little stool for getting on and off is very sweet.

    https://x.com/DPMcBride/status/1796231370454516182

    Nobody cares about Rishi's travel arrangements?
    Scott does.

    So nobody of any consequence.
    Will Scott finally stop his 8 year sulk and let go his bitterness once Election 24 is over? 🙏
    He’s too busy being a high achiever to waste time letting go of his bitterness. That’s time he could have spent in the corridors of power, making a difference, being successful. Better off reposting tweets.
    OTOH, he’ll have the satisfaction of being first to post the news about Starmer reapplying for EU membership…
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 20,326

    viewcode said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Any new opinion polls today?

    No. Thought we might get the first IPSOS of the campaign today but nothing so far...
    What the More in Common yesterday? I'm losing track and it's only Friday.
    Yes, More In Common was yesterday... And it's Thursday actually ;)
    I've signed up to LuckyGuy's 'every day is Friday' conspiracy theory.
    He said that Friday, I believe.
    No it was the day before that: on Friday.
    Oh, that Friday. I thought you meant Friday Friday. Sorry for the confusion.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,605
    edited May 30
    tlg86 said:

    @GIN1138 - Were the Tories thinking what you were thinking in 2005?

    They were starting to get there under Michael Howard, who I always quite liked... but no. I actually voted Lib-Dem in 2005 as I liked Charlie and thought they should be rewarded for their principled (and correct) stance over Iraq.

    My voting record is:

    1997 - Lab

    2001 - Didn't Vote

    2005 - Lib

    2010 - Con

    2015 - Con

    2017 - Con (but only because Labour was being led by Jezza. Theresa was H.O.R.R.I.B.L.E. in that campaign)

    2019 - Con

    And now 2024.... LAB
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    RattersRatters Posts: 952
    HYUFD said:

    @PeoplesMomentum
    ·
    19h
    The message from Keir Starmer couldn't be clearer:

    If you're left-wing, if you're a woman of colour, if you speak your own mind -

    Then you're not welcome. Disgusting.
    https://x.com/PeoplesMomentum/status/1795946387907006815

    I find that accusations of racism or homophobia from the Labour left to be so utterly implausible so as to make me want to ignore their claims of unfair treatment entirely.

    It's obvious the removal of left wing candidates is because they are left wing and Starmer wants to remove future internal headaches within the party before he becomes PM.

    It's also probably the case he's misjudged on Diane Abbot who seems to be getting a fair bit of sympathy.

    But calling it racism is just puerile.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 33,915
    I'm not sure Starmer will be too worried by the far-left publicly railing against him (again).
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 49,774
    Nigelb said:

    boulay said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Taz said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @mikeysmith
    STORY

    Rishi Sunak caught taking private helicopter flight home hours after gushing about train travel

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/1796227395650744553

    @DPMcBride

    The little stool for getting on and off is very sweet.

    https://x.com/DPMcBride/status/1796231370454516182

    Nobody cares about Rishi's travel arrangements?
    Scott does.

    So nobody of any consequence.
    Will Scott finally stop his 8 year sulk and let go his bitterness once Election 24 is over? 🙏
    He’s too busy being a high achiever to waste time letting go of his bitterness. That’s time he could have spent in the corridors of power, making a difference, being successful. Better off reposting tweets.
    OTOH, he’ll have the satisfaction of being first to post the news about Starmer reapplying for EU membership…
    No chance of that. Starmer isn't going to give away any power once he's acquired it.

    Expect to see him ruthlessly purge the British state of any deviationist factions.
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    boulayboulay Posts: 5,085
    Nigelb said:

    boulay said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Taz said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @mikeysmith
    STORY

    Rishi Sunak caught taking private helicopter flight home hours after gushing about train travel

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/1796227395650744553

    @DPMcBride

    The little stool for getting on and off is very sweet.

    https://x.com/DPMcBride/status/1796231370454516182

    Nobody cares about Rishi's travel arrangements?
    Scott does.

    So nobody of any consequence.
    Will Scott finally stop his 8 year sulk and let go his bitterness once Election 24 is over? 🙏
    He’s too busy being a high achiever to waste time letting go of his bitterness. That’s time he could have spent in the corridors of power, making a difference, being successful. Better off reposting tweets.
    OTOH, he’ll have the satisfaction of being first to post the news about Starmer reapplying for EU membership…
    He will even fail at that. Someone who actually does something will hear it before him and post it here.

    It’s been the best possible opening for brilliant people like Scott to stand to be an MP and make a difference, stun us with his ideas, lead the country to a brighter future. Or just shitpost on PB.
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,139

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Any new opinion polls today?

    No. Thought we might get the first IPSOS of the campaign today but nothing so far...
    What the More in Common yesterday? I'm losing track and it's only Friday.
    Yes, More In Common was yesterday... And it's Thursday actually ;)
    Techne tracker should drop at some point this evening, tomorrow I imagine Survation and WeThink and another YouGov.
    I'd be very surprised if the gap doesn't close by a few percent in the coming days. All the Abbott noise will have an impact in the sort term imo.
    Not sure about that. I think his clearing out the deadwood will go down well with floating voters desperate for competent government. But let's see.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,032
    GIN1138 said:

    Taz said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @mikeysmith
    STORY

    Rishi Sunak caught taking private helicopter flight home hours after gushing about train travel

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/1796227395650744553

    @DPMcBride

    The little stool for getting on and off is very sweet.

    https://x.com/DPMcBride/status/1796231370454516182

    Nobody cares about Rishi's travel arrangements?
    Scott does.

    So nobody of any consequence.
    Will Scott finally stop his 8 year sulk and let go of his bitterness once Election 24 is over? 🙏
    He'll still be railing at Starmer until we rejoin the EU....
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    RattersRatters Posts: 952

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Any new opinion polls today?

    No. Thought we might get the first IPSOS of the campaign today but nothing so far...
    What the More in Common yesterday? I'm losing track and it's only Friday.
    Yes, More In Common was yesterday... And it's Thursday actually ;)
    Techne tracker should drop at some point this evening, tomorrow I imagine Survation and WeThink and another YouGov.
    I'd be very surprised if the gap doesn't close by a few percent in the coming days. All the Abbott noise will have an impact in the sort term imo.
    Labour have also ticked up to a higher plateau recently so a fall off/back may be a natural movement
    Yet when the small swing towards Labour since the election was called gets unwound, there will be much more excitement and extrapolation of trends...
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,032
    C'mon NY jurors, ring that bell twice...
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 119,498

    I'm not sure Starmer will be too worried by the far-left publicly railing against him (again).

    Confirms the old mantra there is only one thing worse for the left than a Labour leader who loses a general election (at least their heart was in the right place), namely a Labour leader who can win a general election
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    TazTaz Posts: 12,567
    GIN1138 said:

    Taz said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @mikeysmith
    STORY

    Rishi Sunak caught taking private helicopter flight home hours after gushing about train travel

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/1796227395650744553

    @DPMcBride

    The little stool for getting on and off is very sweet.

    https://x.com/DPMcBride/status/1796231370454516182

    Nobody cares about Rishi's travel arrangements?
    Scott does.

    So nobody of any consequence.
    Will Scott finally stop his 8 year sulk and let go of his bitterness once Election 24 is over? 🙏
    Hell no. Sometimes for these people with these obsessions it becomes their raison d’etre.
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    MJWMJW Posts: 1,576
    Ratters said:

    HYUFD said:

    @PeoplesMomentum
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    19h
    The message from Keir Starmer couldn't be clearer:

    If you're left-wing, if you're a woman of colour, if you speak your own mind -

    Then you're not welcome. Disgusting.
    https://x.com/PeoplesMomentum/status/1795946387907006815

    I find that accusations of racism or homophobia from the Labour left to be so utterly implausible so as to make me want to ignore their claims of unfair treatment entirely.

    It's obvious the removal of left wing candidates is because they are left wing and Starmer wants to remove future internal headaches within the party before he becomes PM.

    It's also probably the case he's misjudged on Diane Abbot who seems to be getting a fair bit of sympathy.

    But calling it racism is just puerile.
    It's also extremely rich given the far left's record on racism, both on antisemitism and how they treat those - either from the Labour centre or Tory - who fail to sing their tunes. Remember Faiza Shaheen and Ash Sarkar joking around saying Sajid Javid obviously didn't like spicy food. Or Emma Dent Coad calling Shaun Bailey a "token ghetto boy".

    Now I'm not a fan of either of them, but it's revealing of the speaker's attitude how they choose to talk about those who have their own views different to the approved ones.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 58,106
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    kinabalu said:

    nico679 said:

    Starmer starting to look shifty

    What do you mean starting to ! Lol

    Everyone knows I’d have been much happier with Angela Rayner as leader . I want rid of the Tories and will be tactically voting Lib Dem in Eastbourne but really this feels nothing like 1997 .

    Maybe I’m just a bit too old and bitter and cynical now but it’s all so underwhelming .
    I'm not so underwhelmed. July 5th will be a great day because we’ll have a Labour government after all these years of the Conservatives. Yes, the policies, and we’ll see what they are in due course, once the election is over, however it’s mainly about the overall ambience of things when you have Labour in office rather than the Tories. It’s a 24/7 source of quiet contentment, a pleasant background hum, always there, bringing comfort on a bad day, a little extra spice to a good one. It isn’t something you think about often, that Labour’s in power, but this is the point, you don’t need to always be thinking about it because you kind of know that all is ok and in order. If a Tory government is like having a stone in your shoe, which it is, a Labour government is like wearing a well-cut pair of trousers. So this is what I can (figuratively) look forward to now. Several years, perhaps a decade or more, of walking around in a well-cut pair of trousers. If that's not a :smile: I don't know what is.
    When it comes down to it, you're just a football-team supporter of Labour.
    ...says Conservative FC ultra, Casino Royale
    Yeah, but I don't talk about a Conservative victory like a permanent 10-year orgasm.

    Nor did I big-up Corbyn with some pseudo-intellectual mumbo-jumbo and then pretend SKS was just as frickin' good when it didn't work out.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 33,915
    boulay said:

    Nigelb said:

    boulay said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Taz said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @mikeysmith
    STORY

    Rishi Sunak caught taking private helicopter flight home hours after gushing about train travel

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/1796227395650744553

    @DPMcBride

    The little stool for getting on and off is very sweet.

    https://x.com/DPMcBride/status/1796231370454516182

    Nobody cares about Rishi's travel arrangements?
    Scott does.

    So nobody of any consequence.
    Will Scott finally stop his 8 year sulk and let go his bitterness once Election 24 is over? 🙏
    He’s too busy being a high achiever to waste time letting go of his bitterness. That’s time he could have spent in the corridors of power, making a difference, being successful. Better off reposting tweets.
    OTOH, he’ll have the satisfaction of being first to post the news about Starmer reapplying for EU membership…
    He will even fail at that. Someone who actually does something will hear it before him and post it here.

    It’s been the best possible opening for brilliant people like Scott to stand to be an MP and make a difference, stun us with his ideas, lead the country to a brighter future. Or just shitpost on PB.
    Breaking: Starmer has just applied for UK to re-join the EU!

    [Thought I'd get in first, for the record.]
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 9,946
    GIN1138 said:

    tlg86 said:

    @GIN1138 - Were the Tories thinking what you were thinking in 2005?

    They were starting to get there... but no. I actually voted Lib-Dem in 2005 as I liked Charlie and thought they should be rewarded over their principled stance over Iraq.

    My voting record is:

    1997 - Lab

    2001 - Didn't Vote

    2005 - Lib

    2010 - Con

    2015 - Con

    2017 - Con (but only because Labour was being led by Jezza. Theresa was H.O.R.R.I.B.L.E. in that campaign)

    2019 - Con

    And now 2024.... LAB
    My constituencies voted in are - Southampton Test, South Norfolk, Witham, South Norfolk, Mid Norfolk, Broadland, Norwich South (x3 incl this one)
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    TazTaz Posts: 12,567

    GIN1138 said:

    Taz said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @mikeysmith
    STORY

    Rishi Sunak caught taking private helicopter flight home hours after gushing about train travel

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/1796227395650744553

    @DPMcBride

    The little stool for getting on and off is very sweet.

    https://x.com/DPMcBride/status/1796231370454516182

    Nobody cares about Rishi's travel arrangements?
    Scott does.

    So nobody of any consequence.
    Will Scott finally stop his 8 year sulk and let go of his bitterness once Election 24 is over? 🙏
    He'll still be railing at Starmer until we rejoin the EU....
    You’ve changed your avatar. No more Herbie.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 33,915

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    kinabalu said:

    nico679 said:

    Starmer starting to look shifty

    What do you mean starting to ! Lol

    Everyone knows I’d have been much happier with Angela Rayner as leader . I want rid of the Tories and will be tactically voting Lib Dem in Eastbourne but really this feels nothing like 1997 .

    Maybe I’m just a bit too old and bitter and cynical now but it’s all so underwhelming .
    I'm not so underwhelmed. July 5th will be a great day because we’ll have a Labour government after all these years of the Conservatives. Yes, the policies, and we’ll see what they are in due course, once the election is over, however it’s mainly about the overall ambience of things when you have Labour in office rather than the Tories. It’s a 24/7 source of quiet contentment, a pleasant background hum, always there, bringing comfort on a bad day, a little extra spice to a good one. It isn’t something you think about often, that Labour’s in power, but this is the point, you don’t need to always be thinking about it because you kind of know that all is ok and in order. If a Tory government is like having a stone in your shoe, which it is, a Labour government is like wearing a well-cut pair of trousers. So this is what I can (figuratively) look forward to now. Several years, perhaps a decade or more, of walking around in a well-cut pair of trousers. If that's not a :smile: I don't know what is.
    When it comes down to it, you're just a football-team supporter of Labour.
    ...says Conservative FC ultra, Casino Royale
    Yeah, but I don't talk about a Conservative victory like a permanent 10-year orgasm.

    Nor did I big-up Corbyn with some pseudo-intellectual mumbo-jumbo and then pretend SKS was just as frickin' good when it didn't work out.
    Wait till you've been in opposition for 14 years!
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 33,915

    GIN1138 said:

    tlg86 said:

    @GIN1138 - Were the Tories thinking what you were thinking in 2005?

    They were starting to get there... but no. I actually voted Lib-Dem in 2005 as I liked Charlie and thought they should be rewarded over their principled stance over Iraq.

    My voting record is:

    1997 - Lab

    2001 - Didn't Vote

    2005 - Lib

    2010 - Con

    2015 - Con

    2017 - Con (but only because Labour was being led by Jezza. Theresa was H.O.R.R.I.B.L.E. in that campaign)

    2019 - Con

    And now 2024.... LAB
    My constituencies voted in are - Southampton Test, South Norfolk, Witham, South Norfolk, Mid Norfolk, Broadland, Norwich South (x3 incl this one)
    I have voted in every GE since 1979 and only once voted for the person who won the seat (in 2005). Basically, if you want to be MP you're better off without my vote.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 58,106
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    kinabalu said:

    nico679 said:

    Starmer starting to look shifty

    What do you mean starting to ! Lol

    Everyone knows I’d have been much happier with Angela Rayner as leader . I want rid of the Tories and will be tactically voting Lib Dem in Eastbourne but really this feels nothing like 1997 .

    Maybe I’m just a bit too old and bitter and cynical now but it’s all so underwhelming .
    I'm not so underwhelmed. July 5th will be a great day because we’ll have a Labour government after all these years of the Conservatives. Yes, the policies, and we’ll see what they are in due course, once the election is over, however it’s mainly about the overall ambience of things when you have Labour in office rather than the Tories. It’s a 24/7 source of quiet contentment, a pleasant background hum, always there, bringing comfort on a bad day, a little extra spice to a good one. It isn’t something you think about often, that Labour’s in power, but this is the point, you don’t need to always be thinking about it because you kind of know that all is ok and in order. If a Tory government is like having a stone in your shoe, which it is, a Labour government is like wearing a well-cut pair of trousers. So this is what I can (figuratively) look forward to now. Several years, perhaps a decade or more, of walking around in a well-cut pair of trousers. If that's not a :smile: I don't know what is.
    When it comes down to it, you're just a football-team supporter of Labour.
    ...says Conservative FC ultra, Casino Royale
    Yeah, but I don't talk about a Conservative victory like a permanent 10-year orgasm.

    Nor did I big-up Corbyn with some pseudo-intellectual mumbo-jumbo and then pretend SKS was just as frickin' good when it didn't work out.
    Wait till you've been in opposition for 14 years!
    Been there, done that, got the T-shirt mate.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 58,106

    boulay said:

    Nigelb said:

    boulay said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Taz said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @mikeysmith
    STORY

    Rishi Sunak caught taking private helicopter flight home hours after gushing about train travel

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/1796227395650744553

    @DPMcBride

    The little stool for getting on and off is very sweet.

    https://x.com/DPMcBride/status/1796231370454516182

    Nobody cares about Rishi's travel arrangements?
    Scott does.

    So nobody of any consequence.
    Will Scott finally stop his 8 year sulk and let go his bitterness once Election 24 is over? 🙏
    He’s too busy being a high achiever to waste time letting go of his bitterness. That’s time he could have spent in the corridors of power, making a difference, being successful. Better off reposting tweets.
    OTOH, he’ll have the satisfaction of being first to post the news about Starmer reapplying for EU membership…
    He will even fail at that. Someone who actually does something will hear it before him and post it here.

    It’s been the best possible opening for brilliant people like Scott to stand to be an MP and make a difference, stun us with his ideas, lead the country to a brighter future. Or just shitpost on PB.
    Breaking: Starmer has just applied for UK to re-join the EU!

    [Thought I'd get in first, for the record.]
    It's perfectly possible he tries that.

    No-one has a clue what he's going to do, or what will renege on, except the shit policies he really seems to care about - like eviscerating our education sector.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,290
    Five weeks, two hours and 40 minutes until the exit poll.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 33,915

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    kinabalu said:

    nico679 said:

    Starmer starting to look shifty

    What do you mean starting to ! Lol

    Everyone knows I’d have been much happier with Angela Rayner as leader . I want rid of the Tories and will be tactically voting Lib Dem in Eastbourne but really this feels nothing like 1997 .

    Maybe I’m just a bit too old and bitter and cynical now but it’s all so underwhelming .
    I'm not so underwhelmed. July 5th will be a great day because we’ll have a Labour government after all these years of the Conservatives. Yes, the policies, and we’ll see what they are in due course, once the election is over, however it’s mainly about the overall ambience of things when you have Labour in office rather than the Tories. It’s a 24/7 source of quiet contentment, a pleasant background hum, always there, bringing comfort on a bad day, a little extra spice to a good one. It isn’t something you think about often, that Labour’s in power, but this is the point, you don’t need to always be thinking about it because you kind of know that all is ok and in order. If a Tory government is like having a stone in your shoe, which it is, a Labour government is like wearing a well-cut pair of trousers. So this is what I can (figuratively) look forward to now. Several years, perhaps a decade or more, of walking around in a well-cut pair of trousers. If that's not a :smile: I don't know what is.
    When it comes down to it, you're just a football-team supporter of Labour.
    ...says Conservative FC ultra, Casino Royale
    Yeah, but I don't talk about a Conservative victory like a permanent 10-year orgasm.

    Nor did I big-up Corbyn with some pseudo-intellectual mumbo-jumbo and then pretend SKS was just as frickin' good when it didn't work out.
    Wait till you've been in opposition for 14 years!
    Been there, done that, got the T-shirt mate.
    13 years shirley?
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    Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,111
    GIN1138 said:

    tlg86 said:

    @GIN1138 - Were the Tories thinking what you were thinking in 2005?

    They were starting to get there under Michael Howard, who I always quite liked... but no. I actually voted Lib-Dem in 2005 as I liked Charlie and thought they should be rewarded for their principled (and correct) stance over Iraq.

    My voting record is:

    1997 - Lab

    2001 - Didn't Vote

    2005 - Lib

    2010 - Con

    2015 - Con

    2017 - Con (but only because Labour was being led by Jezza. Theresa was H.O.R.R.I.B.L.E. in that campaign)

    2019 - Con

    And now 2024.... LAB
    All over the place. Too much gin, Gin?
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 20,326

    GIN1138 said:

    tlg86 said:

    @GIN1138 - Were the Tories thinking what you were thinking in 2005?

    They were starting to get there... but no. I actually voted Lib-Dem in 2005 as I liked Charlie and thought they should be rewarded over their principled stance over Iraq.

    My voting record is:

    1997 - Lab

    2001 - Didn't Vote

    2005 - Lib

    2010 - Con

    2015 - Con

    2017 - Con (but only because Labour was being led by Jezza. Theresa was H.O.R.R.I.B.L.E. in that campaign)

    2019 - Con

    And now 2024.... LAB
    My constituencies voted in are - Southampton Test, South Norfolk, Witham, South Norfolk, Mid Norfolk, Broadland, Norwich South (x3 incl this one)
    As opposed to Easthampton, North Suffolk, West Eaffolk, North Southam, Mid Midsex, Long Borough, Longboro, Outer Inbridge, Broadmouth and Westleigh, and the Wrekin.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 33,915
    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    boulay said:

    ToryJim said:

    Just catching up with the defection of Mark Logan. I hope he’s already cleared out his office as I suspect his former colleagues will probably want to lynch him if they bump into him.

    I suspect that this campaign is going to age Rishi by about 25 years. He might not be the most capable politician but he doesn’t exactly deserve this.

    I don’t think it will affect him too much - it’s not his one thing in life, it’s not the whole summation of his success or failure. When this goes tits up he’s still been Chancellor of the Exchequer, PM by mid forties, made millions in a career he was obviously successful at, married a billionairess, an amazing educational experience in different places and seems to have a happy marriage and lovely children. He has an incredible life ahead of him, more so than 99.999999999999999% of the world’s population and I think his tiggerish persona and desire to achieve will put it all in perspective.

    If he was a politician whose existence had been Uni, Spad, MP, shadow Cabinet, government and then it fell apart on their watch and was all they knew then bitterness would follow but I think Rishi will be ok.
    Point of order: 99.999999999999999% of the world’s population leaves less than one person. You are literally saying he is the person on the planet with the greatest life ahead of him. And I think that is incorrect.

    You do know the "p" in "pb" stands for "pedant", right?
    No it doesn't.

    It stands for 'pedantic.'
    That should be one sentence with the two phrases separated by a semi-colon, just saying.
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