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    MattWMattW Posts: 20,483
    edited May 30
    My photo for the day. And I have diligently shrunk it. Seems to enlarge when opened. PB Exclusive - not yet tweeted.

    Why don't they use the cycle path? :wink:

    That space ship carbuncle is Crosby Leisure Centre.

    The Cycle Paths of Sefton.


    https://www.google.com/maps/place/Leopold+Rd,+Waterloo,+Liverpool/@53.4781043,-3.0427571,16a,35y,329.2h,78.51t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x487b2458b136c4ab:0xc1636be5179c0f51!8m2!3d53.4806822!4d-3.0398545!16s/g/1tlwf5hl?entry=ttu

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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,460
    Sandpit said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Betting post, and re the footy - England as ever are horrible value (3/1 favourites, ha); for me Germany are probably slightly underpriced, given they will have a decent team and are on home turf.

    Hungary might be a good bet to get to the semis.

    Didn’t someone do an analysis at one of the last tournaments, that said the value is always laying England to win overall with UK bookies or exchanges, in advance of the tournament, because there’s so much money backing it from people who wish it were to happen? If they get to the final, you can almost certainly lay off the bet.
    I don't bet on football but this probably works. I made mad bank laying Valentino Rossi for years for the same reason.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 51,187
    Moldova is fucking brilliant. I love it
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 94,460
    Sandpit said:

    Five Bulgarians jailed for “over £50m” of UK benefit fraud. That no-one at DWP noticed, despite names, addresses, and phone numbers, being repeatedly recycled.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/30/benefits-fraud-biggest-ever-britain-uk-jailed/

    Judge Aaronberg said the gang had been able to operate for so long because of “woefully inadequate checking systems” at the Department for Work and Pensions, which failed to identify “repeated use of the same names, addresses and telephone numbers”.

    The fraud was only uncovered after a lone policeman in Sliven, Bulgaria, tipped off British authorities when he noticed that his city was suddenly awash with cash and criminals were “living like barons”.

    Very good of him, perhaps we should offer him a job.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 65,905
    Sandpit said:

    Five Bulgarians jailed for “over £50m” of UK benefit fraud. That no-one at DWP noticed, despite names, addresses, and phone numbers, being repeatedly recycled..

    Small change next to the PPE and Covid loans stuff; I'm surprised they noticed at all.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 119,498
    edited May 30

    HYUFD said:

    Things can always get worse, so Sunak should feel somewhat cheered if they don't.

    I was a bit surprised to see how the famous 1993 Canadian Federal Election actually unfolded, opinion polling-wise. I'd been under the impression the Prog Cons had been doomed all along, but the polling looked like the below:



    (All done in one image due to the rules of the site).

    First image was the story of the Parliament up until about the point the campaign was called. Up until then, it looked rather like "Classic swingback, albeit from a really deep and sustained low point."

    And during the campaign, the Conservatives initially caught up and even led a few polls (something we don't expect here).

    Then they went full Truss and into freefall, as shown in the complete image including the campaign period.

    Obviously I don't expect that here (there are many things different), but it does illustrate how much worse things could get during a campaign period.

    The PCs got a brief bounce in June 1993 when Kim Campbell replaced Mulroney as their PM and leader but they then collapsed again.

    In any case we are only a month from the election so even on that chart Reform would need to be level with or have overtaken the Tories by now for second on the same timeframe
    Um, on that graph, we're at the point in the campaign just after the point where the Progressive Conservatives had briefly overtaken the Liberals.

    The election was on October 25th 1993. 35 days prior was September 20th 1993.
    There had been four polls since the election was called on September 8th 1993:

    9/9/93: Lib 37, Con 35, Reform 10, NDP 8
    9/9/93: Lib 33, Con 34, Reform 11, NDP 10
    14/9/93: Lib 33, Con 36, Reform 11, NDP 8
    16/9/93: Lib 35, Con 35, Reform 11, NDP 6
    In which case Rishi should be even more thankful Farage hasn't come back as by the end of the Canadian campaign Reform had overtaken the Tories to come second to the Liberals on voteshare and 3rd on seats behind the Liberals and BQ.

    That realigned the right in Canada with Reform's successor the Canadian Alliance effectively taking over the remaining Tories in 2003 to form today's Conservative Party of Canada which Polievre now leads. Even today's Canadian Conservatives are more populist right than the old centre right PCs were, if that is the road we went down in a decade or two's time the main right of centre party in the UK would look a lot more like Farage than Sunak
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    StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 15,677

    Pro_Rata said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @LizzyBuchan

    Rishi Sunak confronted over Partygate by a worker whose mum died during Covid - just before Sunak got a fine.

    "How can anyone trust you after things like this?"

    Was Partygate Sunak's fault?
    He was not the prime cause of Partygate. But he was around. One could argue that he could have done more to stop what happened.

    He also inherits the corporate responsibility of the Conservative government.
    Man asks Sunak about breaking lockdown while he couldn't be with his dying Mum.

    Sunak [smilling]: I just turned up early for a meeting [still smiling] for people like you [smiling] that's when I was first on TV.

    https://x.com/BestForBritain/status/1796196352512188625
    I think the tweet's summary exaggerates how bad Sunak's response is... but it wasn't good. He's not a natural at this!
    It is the last sentence, "it's probably at that time that you got to know me as chancellor" that is particularly bad here. To me, he is opening and closing his mouth and wearing a slightly pained and embarrassed expression. I wouldn't categorise it as smiling.
    As I note in the header During PMQs Sunak often ends up displaying the anguish of a man with a wasp trapped under his foreskin
    Not much wrong with Sunak that a failure or two earlier in his life wouldn't have solved.

    Or "placating unhappy customer" training.

    But it's too late for him now.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,639
    tlg86 said:

    I think Sunak's answer was fine. I suspect that sort of thing might get him some sympathy at the debate.

    "You lost a loved one, and couldn't be there for them, but more importantly I gave everyone half price meals out and you all got to see me on TV."
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 69,033
    Sandpit said:

    Five Bulgarians jailed for “over £50m” of UK benefit fraud. That no-one at DWP noticed, despite names, addresses, and phone numbers, being repeatedly recycled.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/30/benefits-fraud-biggest-ever-britain-uk-jailed/

    Judge Aaronberg said the gang had been able to operate for so long because of “woefully inadequate checking systems” at the Department for Work and Pensions, which failed to identify “repeated use of the same names, addresses and telephone numbers”.

    The fraud was only uncovered after a lone policeman in Sliven, Bulgaria, tipped off British authorities when he noticed that his city was suddenly awash with cash and criminals were “living like barons”.

    Does he get 10% of any monies recovered?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 94,460
    dixiedean said:

    boulay said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Sean_F said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @LizzyBuchan

    Rishi Sunak confronted over Partygate by a worker whose mum died during Covid - just before Sunak got a fine.

    "How can anyone trust you after things like this?"

    Was Partygate Sunak's fault?
    "Shit happens" is usually the best response.
    I think as a response to the man's Mum's death that would have been considerably worse.
    Not as bad as “I think you’ll find that your mum would have died alone whether I was at a party or not during Covid.”

    Factually correct but not overly diplomatic.
    boulay said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Sean_F said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @LizzyBuchan

    Rishi Sunak confronted over Partygate by a worker whose mum died during Covid - just before Sunak got a fine.

    "How can anyone trust you after things like this?"

    Was Partygate Sunak's fault?
    "Shit happens" is usually the best response.
    I think as a response to the man's Mum's death that would have been considerably worse.
    Not as bad as “I think you’ll find that your mum would have died alone whether I was at a party or not during Covid.”

    Factually correct but not overly diplomatic.
    "At least you got to inherit" may have been worse.
    That would probably lead to a discussion of inheritance tax.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 34,982
    Richi has guaranteed himself airtime on HIGNFY
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 65,905

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @LizzyBuchan

    Rishi Sunak confronted over Partygate by a worker whose mum died during Covid - just before Sunak got a fine.

    "How can anyone trust you after things like this?"

    Was Partygate Sunak's fault?
    He was not the prime cause of Partygate. But he was around. One could argue that he could have done more to stop what happened.

    He also inherits the corporate responsibility of the Conservative government.
    Man asks Sunak about breaking lockdown while he couldn't be with his dying Mum.

    Sunak [smilling]: I just turned up early for a meeting [still smiling] for people like you [smiling] that's when I was first on TV.

    https://x.com/BestForBritain/status/1796196352512188625
    I think the tweet's summary exaggerates how bad Sunak's response is... but it wasn't good. He's not a natural at this!
    Of course it does.

    You're probably not old enough to remember Callaghan's "Crisis, what crisis ?" - which he didn't actually say.
    It was repeated so often that I have a false memory of his saying it live to the TV cameras.

    Media changes ... and stays the same.
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    GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    Farooq said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Betting post, and re the footy - England as ever are horrible value (3/1 favourites, ha); for me Germany are probably slightly underpriced, given they will have a decent team and are on home turf.

    Hungary might be a good bet to get to the semis.

    They're in a very tricky group. Theoretically they're second best, but them and Switzerland are pretty tightly matched and even Scotland aren't a million miles behind. They could easily draw twice and lose once and find themselves going home after three games.
    They could yeah, and there’s never huge value to be found in a big tournament.

    It is reasonably open though - as @boulay says Portugal have a good tournament record; Italy and Spain are there and someone will have to knock them out.

    Tbh I’m not as well up on top-level footy as I used to be, but I look at that England squad’s defence and don’t see a back line that will win a cup. Would happily be wrong though!
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    numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,237
    edited May 30
    The problem with Sunak is he can’t actually do the emotional intelligence stuff. He’s been taught to talk like a politician, so he delivers his lines well, but he doesn’t go off piste, and he doesn’t connect with the questioner.

    It’s all about delivering the question in the way that gets the political message over.

    Too many politicians talk this way now because they’re coached to. The ones that are truly impressive manage to know when to switch it off and to, you know, connect.

    Sunak’s response to that question was fine up to and including the bit where he said sorry. The next, emotionally intelligent thing to say would have been, “there’s nothing I can say that will make that better. I hope from some of the things I’ve said today, that I can demonstrate how I can be worthy of your trust.” End of conversation. Unfortunately we got the pre-prepared narrative about being SuperChancellor.

    Reasons why Rishi Sunak is sh*t at politics #482.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 65,905
    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Five Bulgarians jailed for “over £50m” of UK benefit fraud. That no-one at DWP noticed, despite names, addresses, and phone numbers, being repeatedly recycled.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/30/benefits-fraud-biggest-ever-britain-uk-jailed/

    Judge Aaronberg said the gang had been able to operate for so long because of “woefully inadequate checking systems” at the Department for Work and Pensions, which failed to identify “repeated use of the same names, addresses and telephone numbers”.

    The fraud was only uncovered after a lone policeman in Sliven, Bulgaria, tipped off British authorities when he noticed that his city was suddenly awash with cash and criminals were “living like barons”.

    Very good of him, perhaps we should offer him a job.
    Met Commissioner ?
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 9,946
    One of those unfortunate moments you are screwed whatever you do.
    At least he didn't say 'but it was a LOVELY cake'
    It won't harm him any more than the fine already has
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    LeonLeon Posts: 51,187
    How many photos are we allowed? Don’t want to get banned but I am standing on a terrace overlooking the Dniester staring at the last living slice of the USSR
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 65,905
    Leon said:

    Moldova is fucking brilliant. I love it

    Just watch out for the alcoholic vampires after dark.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 40,330
    Scott_xP said:

    @sharonodea

    Good grief. "Sorry about your mum but you got to learn what a brilliant chancellor I was, so swings and roundabouts I guess".

    Been out all day (on a Roman trip.... in the UK):

    Is the text within quotes an actual quote of what he said, or is that someone's summation of it?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 119,498
    edited May 30
    Scott_xP said:

    That was the genuine Richi on display.

    Tetchy, entitled, zero empathy for real people.

    Not quite as bad as Alan B'Stard's attitude to his constituents letters.

    'I can't feed my family.' 'Get a well paid job then!'

    'I am worried about the education of my children.' 'Nothing £10,000 a term can't solve!'

    'I am stuck on a waiting list at the local hospital.' 'Well go private!'
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 117,033
    Leon said:

    How many photos are we allowed? Don’t want to get banned but I am standing on a terrace overlooking the Dniester staring at the last living slice of the USSR

    One photo per calendar day.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 34,982

    Scott_xP said:

    @sharonodea

    Good grief. "Sorry about your mum but you got to learn what a brilliant chancellor I was, so swings and roundabouts I guess".

    Been out all day (on a Roman trip.... in the UK):

    Is the text within quotes an actual quote of what he said, or is that someone's summation of it?
    That is not a direct quote

    See for yourself

    https://x.com/BestForBritain/status/1796196352512188625
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    kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,478
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Moldova is fucking brilliant. I love it

    Just watch out for the alcoholic vampires after dark.
    I suspect any vampire that tries to neck (har har) a pint of Leon's blood will die of alcohol poisoning...
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    LeonLeon Posts: 51,187
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Moldova is fucking brilliant. I love it

    Just watch out for the alcoholic vampires after dark.
    It’s bizarrely enchanting. It’s so lost. Yet that is its magic

    Mind you I’m only on day 2 and it might all be downhill
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 40,223
    Leon said:

    Are we allowed to post any photos at all? I forget

    Anyway I’m in the best mood in history. Sergiu Hanganu is the most famous artisanal fruit liqueur maker in eastern Moldova and we have just tried 15 examples of his exceptional produce. In a cave cellar basically from Harry Potter. By the end I was speaking Moldovan


    Rather tight trousers. Or possibly it's just the angle?
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    GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    Scott_xP said:

    @sharonodea

    Good grief. "Sorry about your mum but you got to learn what a brilliant chancellor I was, so swings and roundabouts I guess".

    Been out all day (on a Roman trip.... in the UK):

    Is the text within quotes an actual quote of what he said, or is that someone's summation of it?
    It presents the general unfortunate tone and content in a précis worded with moderate humorous exaggeration.

    So no, not verbatim but the sense of it is about right.
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    pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,767
    Sandpit said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Betting post, and re the footy - England as ever are horrible value (3/1 favourites, ha); for me Germany are probably slightly underpriced, given they will have a decent team and are on home turf.

    Hungary might be a good bet to get to the semis.

    Didn’t someone do an analysis at one of the last tournaments, that said the value is always laying England to win overall with UK bookies or exchanges, in advance of the tournament, because there’s so much money backing it from people who wish it were to happen? If they get to the final, you can almost certainly lay off the bet.
    It wouldn't exactly be a surprise. This is a team constitutionally incapable of winning.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 65,905
    Are we expecting a verdict today, BTW ?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 94,460
    I've just realised I posted an image at 00:03 and about an hour or so ago.

    I throw myself on the mercy of the mods.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 94,460
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Are we allowed to post any photos at all? I forget

    Anyway I’m in the best mood in history. Sergiu Hanganu is the most famous artisanal fruit liqueur maker in eastern Moldova and we have just tried 15 examples of his exceptional produce. In a cave cellar basically from Harry Potter. By the end I was speaking Moldovan


    Rather tight trousers. Or possibly it's just the angle?
    They're so skinny he could be in the running for Prime Minister of the UK.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 119,498
    Nigelb said:

    Are we expecting a verdict today, BTW ?

    Ask the jury
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    LeonLeon Posts: 51,187
    Eastern Europe is what Western Europe used to be. They have what we’ve lost
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,290

    ...

    Scott_xP said:

    That was the genuine Richi on display.

    Tetchy, entitled, zero empathy for real people.

    "Bad news about your Mum dying ... but the good news is that you got to know me". You would not want to be his comms adviser, would you?

    Fortunately the mainstream media will casually ignore Sunak's gaffe and report Starmer's vicious handling of poor PB Tory favourite Diane Abbott.

    No harm done.

    I think the Abbott thing is a story. There are clearly some testosterone-fuelled, factional inadequates inside Labour HQ who get high on their own supply talking tough off the record to reporters from the Tory press. It's been clear they exist for a while but the leadership have done nothing about it. That's turned out to be a big mistake. The fact it has taken up so much time on the airwaves is a testament to how well Labour has done generally to anticipate potential problems and shut them down. But they have messed up on this one and deserve the scrutiny.

    The good news from the Labour perspective is that Abbott is a time-limited story. She will either stand or not stand and we'll know next week when there are still four weeks until the election takes place. Once manifestos are out and the real campaign begins it will all be chip paper.

    The bad news for the Tories is that Sunak's tetchiness and lack of empathy, as well as him being totally out of touch with reality, are ongoing and cannot be shut down - unless he does a Johnson and starts to hide in fridges.

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    LeonLeon Posts: 51,187

    Leon said:

    How many photos are we allowed? Don’t want to get banned but I am standing on a terrace overlooking the Dniester staring at the last living slice of the USSR

    One photo per calendar day.
    Noted 👍
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 94,460
    Nigelb said:

    Are we expecting a verdict today, BTW ?

    Most guesses I've seen say Friday due to thorougness.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 26,733
    kle4 said:

    I've just realised I posted an image at 00:03 and about an hour or so ago.

    I throw myself on the mercy of the mods.

    You can have mine.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 119,498
    Leon said:

    Eastern Europe is what Western Europe used to be. They have what we’ve lost

    Christianity of the socially conservative kind and nationalism and overwhelmingly white you mean? I expect many Farage and Trump and Le Pen voters would prefer living in Eastern Europe to the West
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 94,460

    kle4 said:

    I've just realised I posted an image at 00:03 and about an hour or so ago.

    I throw myself on the mercy of the mods.

    You can have mine.
    A true gent.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 51,187
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Eastern Europe is what Western Europe used to be. They have what we’ve lost

    Christianity of the socially conservative kind and nationalism and overwhelmingly white you mean? I expect many Farage and Trump and Le Pen voters would prefer living in Eastern Europe to the West
    I couldn’t possibly comment
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    boulayboulay Posts: 5,085
    pigeon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Betting post, and re the footy - England as ever are horrible value (3/1 favourites, ha); for me Germany are probably slightly underpriced, given they will have a decent team and are on home turf.

    Hungary might be a good bet to get to the semis.

    Didn’t someone do an analysis at one of the last tournaments, that said the value is always laying England to win overall with UK bookies or exchanges, in advance of the tournament, because there’s so much money backing it from people who wish it were to happen? If they get to the final, you can almost certainly lay off the bet.
    It wouldn't exactly be a surprise. This is a team constitutionally incapable of winning.
    I can’t help thinking that if they had a manager like Klopp, Ancelotti or Ange for the tournament they would have a better chance of winning - not Guardiola as I don’t think players would learn his systems remotely quick enough.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 40,223
    Ghedebrav said:

    Farooq said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Betting post, and re the footy - England as ever are horrible value (3/1 favourites, ha); for me Germany are probably slightly underpriced, given they will have a decent team and are on home turf.

    Hungary might be a good bet to get to the semis.

    They're in a very tricky group. Theoretically they're second best, but them and Switzerland are pretty tightly matched and even Scotland aren't a million miles behind. They could easily draw twice and lose once and find themselves going home after three games.
    They could yeah, and there’s never huge value to be found in a big tournament.

    It is reasonably open though - as @boulay says Portugal have a good tournament record; Italy and Spain are there and someone will have to knock them out.

    Tbh I’m not as well up on top-level footy as I used to be, but I look at that England squad’s defence and don’t see a back line that will win a cup. Would happily be wrong though!
    We are too short in the betting but I think we're going to win it. Can I reconcile those two opinions? No, I can't.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 30,246
    27% counted

    ANC 42.5%
    DA 25.4%
    EFF 8.8%
    MK 8.4%

    https://results.elections.org.za/dashboards/npe/
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 41,707
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    That was the genuine Richi on display.

    Tetchy, entitled, zero empathy for real people.

    Not quite as bad as Alan B'Stard's attitude to his constituents letters.

    'I can't feed my family.' 'Get a well paid job then!'

    'I am worried about the education of my children.' 'Nothing £10,000 a term can't solve!'

    'I am stuck on a waiting list at the local hospital.' 'Well go private!'
    Isn't that C&UP philosophy? 'Can't afford a house.' 'Wait for your mum and dad to die, we might even reduce the tax if you wait long enough!'
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 40,223
    Does anybody want to see my cat?
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    GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    Dura_Ace said:

    Sandpit said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Betting post, and re the footy - England as ever are horrible value (3/1 favourites, ha); for me Germany are probably slightly underpriced, given they will have a decent team and are on home turf.

    Hungary might be a good bet to get to the semis.

    Didn’t someone do an analysis at one of the last tournaments, that said the value is always laying England to win overall with UK bookies or exchanges, in advance of the tournament, because there’s so much money backing it from people who wish it were to happen? If they get to the final, you can almost certainly lay off the bet.
    I don't bet on football but this probably works. I made mad bank laying Valentino Rossi for years for the same reason.
    Pretty sure it would work, but (a) CBA and (b) I think needs a fair amount investment to see a decent return.

    I don’t really ever bet on football - pro cycling was my cash cow for a few years but I lost the nerdily close interest I had over lockdown and without that deep knowledge I might as well be chucking a dart.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 30,246
    edited May 30
    Sandpit said:

    Five Bulgarians jailed for “over £50m” of UK benefit fraud. That no-one at DWP noticed, despite names, addresses, and phone numbers, being repeatedly recycled.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/30/benefits-fraud-biggest-ever-britain-uk-jailed/

    Judge Aaronberg said the gang had been able to operate for so long because of “woefully inadequate checking systems” at the Department for Work and Pensions, which failed to identify “repeated use of the same names, addresses and telephone numbers”.

    The fraud was only uncovered after a lone policeman in Sliven, Bulgaria, tipped off British authorities when he noticed that his city was suddenly awash with cash and criminals were “living like barons”.

    Innocent postmasters were investigated, but they won't. Sums it up really.
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    boulayboulay Posts: 5,085
    Leon said:

    Eastern Europe is what Western Europe used to be. They have what we’ve lost

    Five year olds sweeping chimneys and working down mines?
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    TazTaz Posts: 12,567
    edited May 30
    DM_Andy said:

    Taz said:

    kle4 said:

    ToryJim said:

    Looks like Shaheen is going to try to sue her way onto the ballot.

    https://x.com/pippacrerar/status/1796174064714678501?s=61

    Well, nothing is stopping her getting on the ballot one way or another. It's getting on as the Labour candidate that's at issue.

    Only a week to resolve the matter of course. I cannot remember the last legal challenge around internal party processes, don't the courts not like to interfere if they can find an out?

    Also, unfortunately for her Galloway's Gang already have a candidate.
    Was it when Labour was challenged on AWS's by some disgruntled candidates ?
    I was looking that up and found this delightful quote:
    Phil Woolas, secretary of the Brentford and Isleworth constituency party, to which Mr Jepson applied, said: "We would be more likely to have Margaret Thatcher to Christmas dinner than to select him."

    I’m sure Mr Jepson ending up having the last laugh. But it’s a savage quote.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 94,460
    edited May 30
    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Eastern Europe is what Western Europe used to be. They have what we’ve lost

    Five year olds sweeping chimneys and working down mines?
    Was that not when we bestrode the world like a colossos?
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,605
    edited May 30
    I've got a feeling Sunak may do rather well in the first TV debate.

    The public have pretty low expectations and think SKS will win, so Rishi only has to be half decent and he could well surprise on the upside.

    Won't make any difference to Labour winning the election of course, but if there's going to be a campaign wobble for Labour and Starmer it will come courtesy of the first TV debate, IMO.

    Oh and good afternoon PB
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    TazTaz Posts: 12,567

    ...

    Scott_xP said:

    That was the genuine Richi on display.

    Tetchy, entitled, zero empathy for real people.

    "Bad news about your Mum dying ... but the good news is that you got to know me". You would not want to be his comms adviser, would you?

    Fortunately the mainstream media will casually ignore Sunak's gaffe and report Starmer's vicious handling of poor PB Tory favourite Diane Abbott.

    No harm done.
    Stop whining about it and get used to,it.

    The media are not the friend of any party and will kick whichever party or leader that’s more likely to drive engagement.
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    boulayboulay Posts: 5,085
    kle4 said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Eastern Europe is what Western Europe used to be. They have what we’ve lost

    Five year olds sweeping chimneys and working down mines?
    Was that not when we bestrode the world like a collossos?
    Exactly. And no sons of toolmakers anywhere near positions of power with their rolled up sleeves and natty haircuts.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 119,498
    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    That was the genuine Richi on display.

    Tetchy, entitled, zero empathy for real people.

    Not quite as bad as Alan B'Stard's attitude to his constituents letters.

    'I can't feed my family.' 'Get a well paid job then!'

    'I am worried about the education of my children.' 'Nothing £10,000 a term can't solve!'

    'I am stuck on a waiting list at the local hospital.' 'Well go private!'
    Isn't that C&UP philosophy? 'Can't afford a house.' 'Wait for your mum and dad to die, we might even reduce the tax if you wait long enough!'
    Not quite the same as most people have parents who own a home they will likely inherit at least part of.

    Tory councils also tend to be more likely to build new homes than LD or Independent or Green led ones.

    More an example of extreme Thatcherism caricature at the end of the 1980s
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    GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    boulay said:

    pigeon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Betting post, and re the footy - England as ever are horrible value (3/1 favourites, ha); for me Germany are probably slightly underpriced, given they will have a decent team and are on home turf.

    Hungary might be a good bet to get to the semis.

    Didn’t someone do an analysis at one of the last tournaments, that said the value is always laying England to win overall with UK bookies or exchanges, in advance of the tournament, because there’s so much money backing it from people who wish it were to happen? If they get to the final, you can almost certainly lay off the bet.
    It wouldn't exactly be a surprise. This is a team constitutionally incapable of winning.
    I can’t help thinking that if they had a manager like Klopp, Ancelotti or Ange for the tournament they would have a better chance of winning - not Guardiola as I don’t think players would learn his systems remotely quick enough.
    Football managers are overrated, especially at international level. Too much credit and too much blame.

    And this is the most successful era since ‘66, let’s not forget.
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    TazTaz Posts: 12,567
    Carnyx said:

    Chameleon said:

    I wonder where in the Lib Dem grid sending their leader to Germany to neck a pint in a football crowd is.

    I hope Davey will manage something more lairy than that. Yellow smoke of course.


    *orange* smoke would be needed, to my eye:

    https://www.libdems.org.uk/fileadmin/groups/2_Federal_Party/Documents/From_NB/STYLEGUIDE_LD_DemandBetter_2018_v1.pdf
    I think it’s too big to fit that side.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 94,460
    boulay said:

    kle4 said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Eastern Europe is what Western Europe used to be. They have what we’ve lost

    Five year olds sweeping chimneys and working down mines?
    Was that not when we bestrode the world like a collossos?
    Exactly. And no sons of toolmakers anywhere near positions of power with their rolled up sleeves and natty haircuts.
    On the other hand, how many of even the right sort get secondary legislation named for them?

    https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2013/2588/contents/made
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    numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,237

    ...

    Scott_xP said:

    That was the genuine Richi on display.

    Tetchy, entitled, zero empathy for real people.

    "Bad news about your Mum dying ... but the good news is that you got to know me". You would not want to be his comms adviser, would you?

    Fortunately the mainstream media will casually ignore Sunak's gaffe and report Starmer's vicious handling of poor PB Tory favourite Diane Abbott.

    No harm done.

    I think the Abbott thing is a story. There are clearly some testosterone-fuelled, factional inadequates inside Labour HQ who get high on their own supply talking tough off the record to reporters from the Tory press. It's been clear they exist for a while but the leadership have done nothing about it. That's turned out to be a big mistake. The fact it has taken up so much time on the airwaves is a testament to how well Labour has done generally to anticipate potential problems and shut them down. But they have messed up on this one and deserve the scrutiny.

    The good news from the Labour perspective is that Abbott is a time-limited story. She will either stand or not stand and we'll know next week when there are still four weeks until the election takes place. Once manifestos are out and the real campaign begins it will all be chip paper.

    The bad news for the Tories is that Sunak's tetchiness and lack of empathy, as well as him being totally out of touch with reality, are ongoing and cannot be shut down - unless he does a Johnson and starts to hide in fridges.

    I agree with that assessment. It is a story that isn’t great for Labour, but it’s likely to be time-limited, and the reaction likely to be somewhat mixed no matter what happens.

    The danger, but it is only a low risk danger, is that I suppose if Abbott is denied her candidacy and all the various lefty malcontents club together to attack Starmer as being a nasty Tory, he could see some vote leakage on the left that causes him problems in some seats. But at the end of the day, they’re not seats he needs on current polling.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 26,733
    GIN1138 said:

    I've got a feeling Sunak may do rather well in the first TV debate.

    The public have pretty low expectations and think SKS will win, so Rishi only has to be half decent and he could well surprise on the upside.

    Won't make any difference to Labour winning the election of course, but if there's going to be a campaign wobble for Labour and Starmer it will come courtesy of the first TV debate, IMO.

    Oh and good afternoon PB

    He debates Starmer every week. He's shrill and awful and survives by virtue of SKS not being great either.
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 9,946
    edited May 30
    Mish Rahman pushing the limits of being an NEC member, having a go at SKS and co, says nobody in his family is voting Labour.
    Again, won't happen in this campaign but are labour headed for a SLab style abandonment at some stage if their government falls flat?
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    Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 4,895
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Things can always get worse, so Sunak should feel somewhat cheered if they don't.

    I was a bit surprised to see how the famous 1993 Canadian Federal Election actually unfolded, opinion polling-wise. I'd been under the impression the Prog Cons had been doomed all along, but the polling looked like the below:



    (All done in one image due to the rules of the site).

    First image was the story of the Parliament up until about the point the campaign was called. Up until then, it looked rather like "Classic swingback, albeit from a really deep and sustained low point."

    And during the campaign, the Conservatives initially caught up and even led a few polls (something we don't expect here).

    Then they went full Truss and into freefall, as shown in the complete image including the campaign period.

    Obviously I don't expect that here (there are many things different), but it does illustrate how much worse things could get during a campaign period.

    The PCs got a brief bounce in June 1993 when Kim Campbell replaced Mulroney as their PM and leader but they then collapsed again.

    In any case we are only a month from the election so even on that chart Reform would need to be level with or have overtaken the Tories by now for second on the same timeframe
    Um, on that graph, we're at the point in the campaign just after the point where the Progressive Conservatives had briefly overtaken the Liberals.

    The election was on October 25th 1993. 35 days prior was September 20th 1993.
    There had been four polls since the election was called on September 8th 1993:

    9/9/93: Lib 37, Con 35, Reform 10, NDP 8
    9/9/93: Lib 33, Con 34, Reform 11, NDP 10
    14/9/93: Lib 33, Con 36, Reform 11, NDP 8
    16/9/93: Lib 35, Con 35, Reform 11, NDP 6
    In which case Rishi should be even more thankful Farage hasn't come back as by the end of the Canadian campaign Reform had overtaken the Tories to come second to the Liberals on voteshare and 3rd on seats behind the Liberals and BQ.

    That realigned the right in Canada with Reform's successor the Canadian Alliance effectively taking over the remaining Tories in 2003 to form today's Conservative Party of Canada which Polievre now leads. Even today's Canadian Conservatives are more populist right than the old centre right PCs were, if that is the road we went down in a decade or two's time the main right of centre party in the UK would look a lot more like Farage than Sunak
    Well, yes, my post was saying Sunak should be thankful it's not heading a lot worse, because that's possible.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,639
    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Are we expecting a verdict today, BTW ?

    Most guesses I've seen say Friday due to thorougness.
    Thursday is pizza. Can't reach a verdict before the jurors get pizza.
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    nico679nico679 Posts: 5,671
    Nigelb said:

    Are we expecting a verdict today, BTW ?

    Either there’s a verdict today or it will end up with a hung jury .

    They’ve had the re-read of certain sections of testimony which corroborates Cohens recollection of the infamous meeting .

    They’re not allowed to convict just on his testimony so this is seen by some legal analysts as bad news for Trump .
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    GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    GIN1138 said:

    I've got a feeling Sunak may do rather well in the first TV debate.

    The public have pretty low expectations and think SKS will win, so Rishi only has to be half decent and he could well surprise on the upside.

    Won't make any difference to Labour winning the election of course, but if there's going to be a campaign wobble for Labour and Starmer it will come courtesy of the first TV debate, IMO.

    Oh and good afternoon PB

    He debates Starmer every week. He's shrill and awful and survives by virtue of SKS not being great either.

    GIN1138 said:

    I've got a feeling Sunak may do rather well in the first TV debate.

    The public have pretty low expectations and think SKS will win, so Rishi only has to be half decent and he could well surprise on the upside.

    Won't make any difference to Labour winning the election of course, but if there's going to be a campaign wobble for Labour and Starmer it will come courtesy of the first TV debate, IMO.

    Oh and good afternoon PB

    He debates Starmer every week. He's shrill and awful and survives by virtue of SKS not being great either.
    Agree, and on current trajectory I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets chased offstage by a goose or something.
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    megasaurmegasaur Posts: 586
    kinabalu said:

    Does anybody want to see my cat?

    I have some very good close ups of my sister's beaver.

    I really have. She is into rewilding.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,605
    edited May 30

    GIN1138 said:

    I've got a feeling Sunak may do rather well in the first TV debate.

    The public have pretty low expectations and think SKS will win, so Rishi only has to be half decent and he could well surprise on the upside.

    Won't make any difference to Labour winning the election of course, but if there's going to be a campaign wobble for Labour and Starmer it will come courtesy of the first TV debate, IMO.

    Oh and good afternoon PB

    He debates Starmer every week. He's shrill and awful and survives by virtue of SKS not being great either.
    PMQ's is different to a TV debate though, as you've got a baying mob of MP's on both sides of the House.

    A TV debate is a rather quieter affair and I think could suit Rishi quite well, especially as the public have such low expectations of his performance anyway.

    We'll see though. I could be wrong.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited May 30
    Owen Jones off the Christmas card list:

    Lloyd Russell Moyle is a gay man - like all the politicians purged by Starmer so far, from a minority - and the first of his family to go to university, who has been purged from his seat with the help of a nicely timed vexatious complaint.

    As Starmer's allies carve up parliamentary seats like colonial administrators divvying up their spoils, Ward - like a vulture - is set to steal this seat with not a single local member voting for him.

    Those local members should feel furious. They had a principled, independent-minded MP.

    They now have a professional political operator turned corporate lobbyist who will be a stooge for whatever his old boss tells him to say or do, and they have no say over the matter.

    Well, I think Brighton deserves better.

    Vote @Elaine4Kemptown for the Green Party.
    *

    https://x.com/OwenJones84/status/1796181855122653441

    * Elaine had cough mixed success in the Council elections
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 41,707
    megasaur said:

    kinabalu said:

    Does anybody want to see my cat?

    I have some very good close ups of my sister's beaver.

    I really have. She is into rewilding.
    I hope that's not a joke - would love to see a pic of a real live English (presumably) castorid.
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 9,946
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I've got a feeling Sunak may do rather well in the first TV debate.

    The public have pretty low expectations and think SKS will win, so Rishi only has to be half decent and he could well surprise on the upside.

    Won't make any difference to Labour winning the election of course, but if there's going to be a campaign wobble for Labour and Starmer it will come courtesy of the first TV debate, IMO.

    Oh and good afternoon PB

    He debates Starmer every week. He's shrill and awful and survives by virtue of SKS not being great either.
    PMQ's is different to a TV debate though, as you've got a baying mob of MP's on both sides of the House.

    As TV debate is a rather quieter affair and I think could suit Rishi quite well, especially as the public have such low expectations of his performance anyway.

    We'll see though. I could be wrong.
    He will be able to do the throwing back questions at SKS bit without Hoyle telling him it's not Qs for LOTO
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,437
    Labour Candidate for Durham North tweets.

    Not sure if Palestinians being rat is official SKS Party policy or whether his supporters can say what they like.

    https://x.com/JamieDriscollNE/status/1796210966713004416
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 41,707
    o/t but it solves a puzzle as to how 10 Aldabran Giant Tortoises ended up dead in a Devon wood:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/30/man-sentenced-for-dumping-bodies-of-giant-tortoises-in-devon-woodland
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    SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,048
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Are we allowed to post any photos at all? I forget

    Anyway I’m in the best mood in history. Sergiu Hanganu is the most famous artisanal fruit liqueur maker in eastern Moldova and we have just tried 15 examples of his exceptional produce. In a cave cellar basically from Harry Potter. By the end I was speaking Moldovan


    Rather tight trousers. Or possibly it's just the angle?
    One can get away with it if one has the bottle :wink:
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 41,707

    Labour Candidate for Durham North tweets.

    Not sure if Palestinians being rat is official SKS Party policy or whether his supporters can say what they like.

    https://x.com/JamieDriscollNE/status/1796210966713004416

    Not surprised you are confused: the grammar is crap.
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    boulayboulay Posts: 5,085
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I've got a feeling Sunak may do rather well in the first TV debate.

    The public have pretty low expectations and think SKS will win, so Rishi only has to be half decent and he could well surprise on the upside.

    Won't make any difference to Labour winning the election of course, but if there's going to be a campaign wobble for Labour and Starmer it will come courtesy of the first TV debate, IMO.

    Oh and good afternoon PB

    He debates Starmer every week. He's shrill and awful and survives by virtue of SKS not being great either.
    PMQ's is different to a TV debate though, as you've got a baying mob of MP's on both sides of the House.

    As TV debate is a rather quieter affair and I think could suit Rishi quite well, especially as the public have such low expectations of his performance anyway.

    We'll see though. I could be wrong.
    Whilst I don’t think it will move the dial, a lot of people hang on the idea that Starmer was a top barrister and head of DPP so will be incisive etc however if he was prosecuting he is choosing the questions and deciding the direction of questioning and able to control events.

    In the debates however he’s having to be the defendant answering the prosecutor’s questions whilst being heckled by his co-defendant.

    He wasn’t great when interviewed by Mishal Husain the other morning - I was surprised as hadn’t heard him interviewed before - so no guarantee people won’t watch and the bubble bursts a little.

    But yeh, the Tories are buggered.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,437

    Labour Candidate for Durham North tweets.

    Not sure if Palestinians being rat is official SKS Party policy or whether his supporters can say what they like.

    https://x.com/JamieDriscollNE/status/1796210966713004416

    Oh apparently it's a fake tweet so guess his opponents should use the real ones.

    Apologies for falling for a fake tweet.
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    SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,048
    Carnyx said:

    megasaur said:

    kinabalu said:

    Does anybody want to see my cat?

    I have some very good close ups of my sister's beaver.

    I really have. She is into rewilding.
    I hope that's not a joke - would love to see a pic of a real live English (presumably) castorid.
    What are the residency requirements to be an 'English' beaver, do you think? Is it as easy as qualifying for the England cricket team?
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    SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,048

    Owen Jones off the Christmas card list:

    Lloyd Russell Moyle is a gay man - like all the politicians purged by Starmer so far, from a minority - and the first of his family to go to university, who has been purged from his seat with the help of a nicely timed vexatious complaint.

    As Starmer's allies carve up parliamentary seats like colonial administrators divvying up their spoils, Ward - like a vulture - is set to steal this seat with not a single local member voting for him.

    Those local members should feel furious. They had a principled, independent-minded MP.

    They now have a professional political operator turned corporate lobbyist who will be a stooge for whatever his old boss tells him to say or do, and they have no say over the matter.

    Well, I think Brighton deserves better.

    Vote @Elaine4Kemptown for the Green Party.
    *

    https://x.com/OwenJones84/status/1796181855122653441

    * Elaine had cough mixed success in the Council elections

    Surely all Labour MPs are members of a (tiny, but likely to grow!) minority?
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 24,617
    Starmer starting to look shifty
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    ClippPClippP Posts: 1,811
    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    That was the genuine Richi on display.

    Tetchy, entitled, zero empathy for real people.

    Not quite as bad as Alan B'Stard's attitude to his constituents letters.

    'I can't feed my family.' 'Get a well paid job then!'

    'I am worried about the education of my children.' 'Nothing £10,000 a term can't solve!'

    'I am stuck on a waiting list at the local hospital.' 'Well go private!'
    Isn't that C&UP philosophy? 'Can't afford a house.' 'Wait for your mum and dad to die, we might even reduce the tax if you wait long enough!'
    Not quite the same as most people have parents who own a home they will likely inherit at least part of.

    Tory councils also tend to be more likely to build new homes than LD or Independent or Green led ones.
    Unsurprising, Young HY, since the central Tory government has been throwing public money at Tory-run councils. They can afford to build more houses. Not the right sort of houses, of course - far too expensive for ordinary people. But that's Ok, because we don't want to have the wrong sort of people living near us, do we chaps?
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,605

    Starmer starting to look shifty

    Sir Shifty, lol! 😂
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 69,033

    Starmer starting to look shifty

    A former DPP now a politician looking shifty?

    That's extraordinary.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 41,707
    Selebian said:

    Carnyx said:

    megasaur said:

    kinabalu said:

    Does anybody want to see my cat?

    I have some very good close ups of my sister's beaver.

    I really have. She is into rewilding.
    I hope that's not a joke - would love to see a pic of a real live English (presumably) castorid.
    What are the residency requirements to be an 'English' beaver, do you think? Is it as easy as qualifying for the England cricket team?
    Would have thought so, as many of them will be recent imports. But all to the good. (Presumably the Eurasian Beaver.)
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    eekeek Posts: 26,553
    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    That was the genuine Richi on display.

    Tetchy, entitled, zero empathy for real people.

    Not quite as bad as Alan B'Stard's attitude to his constituents letters.

    'I can't feed my family.' 'Get a well paid job then!'

    'I am worried about the education of my children.' 'Nothing £10,000 a term can't solve!'

    'I am stuck on a waiting list at the local hospital.' 'Well go private!'
    Isn't that C&UP philosophy? 'Can't afford a house.' 'Wait for your mum and dad to die, we might even reduce the tax if you wait long enough!'
    Not quite the same as most people have parents who own a home they will likely inherit at least part of.

    Tory councils also tend to be more likely to build new homes than LD or Independent or Green led ones.
    How does that work - looking at a labour council who in the last committee meeting alone approved 1400 new homes...

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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 24,617
    ydoethur said:

    Starmer starting to look shifty

    A former DPP now a politician looking shifty?

    That's extraordinary.
    oooh that shifty might have a typo.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 41,707
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    That was the genuine Richi on display.

    Tetchy, entitled, zero empathy for real people.

    Not quite as bad as Alan B'Stard's attitude to his constituents letters.

    'I can't feed my family.' 'Get a well paid job then!'

    'I am worried about the education of my children.' 'Nothing £10,000 a term can't solve!'

    'I am stuck on a waiting list at the local hospital.' 'Well go private!'
    Isn't that C&UP philosophy? 'Can't afford a house.' 'Wait for your mum and dad to die, we might even reduce the tax if you wait long enough!'
    Not quite the same as most people have parents who own a home they will likely inherit at least part of.

    Tory councils also tend to be more likely to build new homes than LD or Independent or Green led ones.
    How does that work - looking at a labour council who in the last committee meeting alone approved 1400 new homes...

    HYUFD very carefully left out the word 'Labour'. And 'SNP' for that matter.
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    nico679nico679 Posts: 5,671

    Starmer starting to look shifty

    What do you mean starting to ! Lol

    Everyone knows I’d have been much happier with Angela Rayner as leader . I want rid of the Tories and will be tactically voting Lib Dem in Eastbourne but really this feels nothing like 1997 .

    Maybe I’m just a bit too old and bitter and cynical now but it’s all so underwhelming .
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 24,617
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    That was the genuine Richi on display.

    Tetchy, entitled, zero empathy for real people.

    Not quite as bad as Alan B'Stard's attitude to his constituents letters.

    'I can't feed my family.' 'Get a well paid job then!'

    'I am worried about the education of my children.' 'Nothing £10,000 a term can't solve!'

    'I am stuck on a waiting list at the local hospital.' 'Well go private!'
    Isn't that C&UP philosophy? 'Can't afford a house.' 'Wait for your mum and dad to die, we might even reduce the tax if you wait long enough!'
    Not quite the same as most people have parents who own a home they will likely inherit at least part of.

    Tory councils also tend to be more likely to build new homes than LD or Independent or Green led ones.
    How does that work - looking at a labour council who in the last committee meeting alone approved 1400 new homes...

    needed to be twice that, theres a housing crisis
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,437
    Greens claiming to be ahead in Birkenhead by 2 points.

    Could be LD ahead
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 69,033

    ydoethur said:

    Starmer starting to look shifty

    A former DPP now a politician looking shifty?

    That's extraordinary.
    oooh that shifty might have a typo.
    Are you suggesting he should have worked for Thames Water?
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 49,774
    Tice calls for a tax on immigrants

    https://x.com/skynews/status/1796141513681846617
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    carnforthcarnforth Posts: 3,798

    Tice calls for a tax on immigrants

    https://x.com/skynews/status/1796141513681846617

    We'd have had to pay even more for Boris.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 69,033
    Anyway, in important news:

    Who do people favour for this year's hit and giggle?

    On paper, Surrey should be favourites, but it's not often the favourites win this one.
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    numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,237

    Owen Jones off the Christmas card list:

    Lloyd Russell Moyle is a gay man - like all the politicians purged by Starmer so far, from a minority - and the first of his family to go to university, who has been purged from his seat with the help of a nicely timed vexatious complaint.

    As Starmer's allies carve up parliamentary seats like colonial administrators divvying up their spoils, Ward - like a vulture - is set to steal this seat with not a single local member voting for him.

    Those local members should feel furious. They had a principled, independent-minded MP.

    They now have a professional political operator turned corporate lobbyist who will be a stooge for whatever his old boss tells him to say or do, and they have no say over the matter.

    Well, I think Brighton deserves better.

    Vote @Elaine4Kemptown for the Green Party.
    *

    https://x.com/OwenJones84/status/1796181855122653441

    * Elaine had cough mixed success in the Council elections

    Every time I start to question SKS, up pops Owen Jones to drive me back to being an SKS Fan.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 40,223
    kle4 said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Eastern Europe is what Western Europe used to be. They have what we’ve lost

    Five year olds sweeping chimneys and working down mines?
    Was that not when we bestrode the world like a colossos?
    Yes. Half the planet the red of empire, women and colonials in their place. The Enlightenment.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 52,543
    So, Trump's jury has now been deliberating for 7 hrs 30 minutes.

    In the face of 34 charges that may not seem a lot but the charges are basically 34 counts of the same charge.
    They have to decide:
    (1) whether these entries are false entries. I thought that was undisputed until the defence closing when it was alleged the payments to Cohen were for legitimate work (unspecified). I think, given the evidence, this is a walk in the park for the State.
    (2) Whether these false entries were to facilitate a criminal purpose. This is much trickier.

    The jury have asked to rehear some of the key evidence from Pecker and Cohen, something our juries are not allowed to do. It is by no means impossible that they will produce a verdict today.
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    OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,462
    Leon said:

    Eastern Europe is what Western Europe used to be. They have what we’ve lost

    EU membership?
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 24,617
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Starmer starting to look shifty

    A former DPP now a politician looking shifty?

    That's extraordinary.
    oooh that shifty might have a typo.
    Are you suggesting he should have worked for Thames Water?
    He's flushed with ambition.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 69,033

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Starmer starting to look shifty

    A former DPP now a politician looking shifty?

    That's extraordinary.
    oooh that shifty might have a typo.
    Are you suggesting he should have worked for Thames Water?
    He's flushed with ambition.
    But for Labour will this leader be a case of turd time lucky?
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 24,617
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Starmer starting to look shifty

    A former DPP now a politician looking shifty?

    That's extraordinary.
    oooh that shifty might have a typo.
    Are you suggesting he should have worked for Thames Water?
    He's flushed with ambition.
    But for Labour will this leader be a case of turd time lucky?
    Izal consider that question.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 40,223
    megasaur said:

    kinabalu said:

    Does anybody want to see my cat?

    I have some very good close ups of my sister's beaver.

    I really have. She is into rewilding.
    Well I'll go first. Just give me a few minutes, need to work out how to do it.
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 16,690
    South Africa 2024 General Election
    with 29.5% reporting = 3,578,070 counted

    African National Congress 1,519,417 42.5%
    Democratic Alliance 897,332 25.1%
    Economic Freedom Fighters 320,888 9.0%
    uMkhonto weSizwe 309,037 8.6%
    Patriotic Alliance 135,134 3.8%
    Inkatha Freedom Party 78,751 2.0%
    Freedom Front Plus 65,575 1.8%
    45 other parties combined 251,936 7.0%
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