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Next week things can only get better for Sunak or worse – politicalbetting.com

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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 65,904
    Scott living rent free in some PB heads tonight.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 41,707
    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    boulay said:

    ToryJim said:

    Just catching up with the defection of Mark Logan. I hope he’s already cleared out his office as I suspect his former colleagues will probably want to lynch him if they bump into him.

    I suspect that this campaign is going to age Rishi by about 25 years. He might not be the most capable politician but he doesn’t exactly deserve this.

    I don’t think it will affect him too much - it’s not his one thing in life, it’s not the whole summation of his success or failure. When this goes tits up he’s still been Chancellor of the Exchequer, PM by mid forties, made millions in a career he was obviously successful at, married a billionairess, an amazing educational experience in different places and seems to have a happy marriage and lovely children. He has an incredible life ahead of him, more so than 99.999999999999999% of the world’s population and I think his tiggerish persona and desire to achieve will put it all in perspective.

    If he was a politician whose existence had been Uni, Spad, MP, shadow Cabinet, government and then it fell apart on their watch and was all they knew then bitterness would follow but I think Rishi will be ok.
    Point of order: 99.999999999999999% of the world’s population leaves less than one person. You are literally saying he is the person on the planet with the greatest life ahead of him. And I think that is incorrect.

    You do know the "p" in "pb" stands for "pedant", right?
    No it doesn't.

    It stands for 'pedantic.'
    Intderesting question as to whether it stands, rather, for 'Pedantic'.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 58,106

    Five weeks, two hours and 40 minutes until the exit poll.

    It's not over till it's over.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,758
    Stephen Fry trying to change another institution:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/30/stephen-fry-says-mcc-stinks-of-privilege-and-classism/

    Fry, 66, also skewered his fellow MCC members, saying of the club: “It has a public face that is deeply disturbing, sort of beetroot-coloured gentleman in yellow-and-orange blazers sitting in this space in front of the Long Room and looking as if they’d come out of an Edwardian cartoon.”
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    TazTaz Posts: 12,566
    Nigelb said:

    Scott living rent free in some PB heads tonight.

    Twitter actually 👍
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    megasaurmegasaur Posts: 586

    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    boulay said:

    ToryJim said:

    Just catching up with the defection of Mark Logan. I hope he’s already cleared out his office as I suspect his former colleagues will probably want to lynch him if they bump into him.

    I suspect that this campaign is going to age Rishi by about 25 years. He might not be the most capable politician but he doesn’t exactly deserve this.

    I don’t think it will affect him too much - it’s not his one thing in life, it’s not the whole summation of his success or failure. When this goes tits up he’s still been Chancellor of the Exchequer, PM by mid forties, made millions in a career he was obviously successful at, married a billionairess, an amazing educational experience in different places and seems to have a happy marriage and lovely children. He has an incredible life ahead of him, more so than 99.999999999999999% of the world’s population and I think his tiggerish persona and desire to achieve will put it all in perspective.

    If he was a politician whose existence had been Uni, Spad, MP, shadow Cabinet, government and then it fell apart on their watch and was all they knew then bitterness would follow but I think Rishi will be ok.
    Point of order: 99.999999999999999% of the world’s population leaves less than one person. You are literally saying he is the person on the planet with the greatest life ahead of him. And I think that is incorrect.

    You do know the "p" in "pb" stands for "pedant", right?
    No it doesn't.

    It stands for 'pedantic.'
    That should be one sentence with the two phrases separated by a semi-colon, just saying.
    You yourself should have a ; after "semi-colon. Just saying.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 65,904

    boulay said:

    Nigelb said:

    boulay said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Taz said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @mikeysmith
    STORY

    Rishi Sunak caught taking private helicopter flight home hours after gushing about train travel

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/1796227395650744553

    @DPMcBride

    The little stool for getting on and off is very sweet.

    https://x.com/DPMcBride/status/1796231370454516182

    Nobody cares about Rishi's travel arrangements?
    Scott does.

    So nobody of any consequence.
    Will Scott finally stop his 8 year sulk and let go his bitterness once Election 24 is over? 🙏
    He’s too busy being a high achiever to waste time letting go of his bitterness. That’s time he could have spent in the corridors of power, making a difference, being successful. Better off reposting tweets.
    OTOH, he’ll have the satisfaction of being first to post the news about Starmer reapplying for EU membership…
    He will even fail at that. Someone who actually does something will hear it before him and post it here.

    It’s been the best possible opening for brilliant people like Scott to stand to be an MP and make a difference, stun us with his ideas, lead the country to a brighter future. Or just shitpost on PB.
    Breaking: Starmer has just applied for UK to re-join the EU!

    [Thought I'd get in first, for the record.]
    It's perfectly possible he tries that.

    No-one has a clue what he's going to do, or what will renege on, except the shit policies he really seems to care about - like eviscerating our education sector.
    That’s hardly a contrast with his opponent’s manifesto.
    Just a different part of it.
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    Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,111
    Farooq said:

    It's going that well for the Conservatives that right wingers in here are breathlessly quoting Owen Jones and momentum :flushed:

    It feels a bit like a footie team losing 5-0 at home and the fans "¡olé!"-ing when they win a throw-in

    Not only that. They also seem to think SKS has morphed from a dull, ineffectual lawyer into Stalin in the space of a week or so.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 20,324
    viewcode said:

    GIN1138 said:

    tlg86 said:

    @GIN1138 - Were the Tories thinking what you were thinking in 2005?

    They were starting to get there... but no. I actually voted Lib-Dem in 2005 as I liked Charlie and thought they should be rewarded over their principled stance over Iraq.

    My voting record is:

    1997 - Lab

    2001 - Didn't Vote

    2005 - Lib

    2010 - Con

    2015 - Con

    2017 - Con (but only because Labour was being led by Jezza. Theresa was H.O.R.R.I.B.L.E. in that campaign)

    2019 - Con

    And now 2024.... LAB
    My constituencies voted in are - Southampton Test, South Norfolk, Witham, South Norfolk, Mid Norfolk, Broadland, Norwich South (x3 incl this one)
    As opposed to Easthampton, North Suffolk, West Eaffolk, North Southam, Mid Midsex, Long Borough, Longboro, Outer Inbridge, Broadmouth and Westleigh, and the Wrekin.
    Also the constituencies of Round Humpty, Big Ted and Little Ted, Jemima Outer and Hamble
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    Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,111
    tlg86 said:

    Stephen Fry trying to change another institution:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/30/stephen-fry-says-mcc-stinks-of-privilege-and-classism/

    Fry, 66, also skewered his fellow MCC members, saying of the club: “It has a public face that is deeply disturbing, sort of beetroot-coloured gentleman in yellow-and-orange blazers sitting in this space in front of the Long Room and looking as if they’d come out of an Edwardian cartoon.”

    He's not wrong, though. Spot on.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 20,324
    "PB" = "Pensioners Bitching", as any fule kno.
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,139

    Five weeks, two hours and 40 minutes until the exit poll.

    It's just going to be awesome. Just imagine the Tories in third place on 40-50 seats and behind the LDs. They go to interview Oliver Dowden or whoever two minutes later ... I would be literally pissing myself.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,290
    edited May 30

    Five weeks, two hours and 40 minutes until the exit poll.

    It's not over till it's over.

    Totally agree.

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 119,498

    Five weeks, two hours and 40 minutes until the exit poll.

    It's just going to be awesome. Just imagine the Tories in third place on 40-50 seats and behind the LDs. They go to interview Oliver Dowden or whoever two minutes later ... I would be literally pissing myself.
    Only way that likely happens is Reform second on voteshare so beware what you wish for
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 33,915
    edited May 30
    megasaur said:

    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    boulay said:

    ToryJim said:

    Just catching up with the defection of Mark Logan. I hope he’s already cleared out his office as I suspect his former colleagues will probably want to lynch him if they bump into him.

    I suspect that this campaign is going to age Rishi by about 25 years. He might not be the most capable politician but he doesn’t exactly deserve this.

    I don’t think it will affect him too much - it’s not his one thing in life, it’s not the whole summation of his success or failure. When this goes tits up he’s still been Chancellor of the Exchequer, PM by mid forties, made millions in a career he was obviously successful at, married a billionairess, an amazing educational experience in different places and seems to have a happy marriage and lovely children. He has an incredible life ahead of him, more so than 99.999999999999999% of the world’s population and I think his tiggerish persona and desire to achieve will put it all in perspective.

    If he was a politician whose existence had been Uni, Spad, MP, shadow Cabinet, government and then it fell apart on their watch and was all they knew then bitterness would follow but I think Rishi will be ok.
    Point of order: 99.999999999999999% of the world’s population leaves less than one person. You are literally saying he is the person on the planet with the greatest life ahead of him. And I think that is incorrect.

    You do know the "p" in "pb" stands for "pedant", right?
    No it doesn't.

    It stands for 'pedantic.'
    That should be one sentence with the two phrases separated by a semi-colon, just saying.
    You yourself should have a ; after "semi-colon. Just saying.
    Quotation mark missing before just saying; just sayin'.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 41,707

    Farooq said:

    It's going that well for the Conservatives that right wingers in here are breathlessly quoting Owen Jones and momentum :flushed:

    It feels a bit like a footie team losing 5-0 at home and the fans "¡olé!"-ing when they win a throw-in

    Not only that. They also seem to think SKS has morphed from a dull, ineffectual lawyer into Stalin in the space of a week or so.
    And Ms Abbott from a dangerous revolutionary into the PBTory mascot.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 20,324
    tlg86 said:

    Stephen Fry trying to change another institution:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/30/stephen-fry-says-mcc-stinks-of-privilege-and-classism/

    Fry, 66, also skewered his fellow MCC members, saying of the club: “It has a public face that is deeply disturbing, sort of beetroot-coloured gentleman in yellow-and-orange blazers sitting in this space in front of the Long Room and looking as if they’d come out of an Edwardian cartoon.”

    God love him and all, but who is the first person you think of when you visualise a beetroot-coloured gentleman in yellow-and-orange blazers sitting in the Long Room and looking as if they’d come out of an Edwardian cartoon?
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,139
    HYUFD said:

    Five weeks, two hours and 40 minutes until the exit poll.

    It's just going to be awesome. Just imagine the Tories in third place on 40-50 seats and behind the LDs. They go to interview Oliver Dowden or whoever two minutes later ... I would be literally pissing myself.
    Only way that likely happens is Reform second on voteshare so beware what you wish for
    Sorry, even then it would be extremely funny.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 33,915
    tlg86 said:

    Stephen Fry trying to change another institution:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/30/stephen-fry-says-mcc-stinks-of-privilege-and-classism/

    Fry, 66, also skewered his fellow MCC members, saying of the club: “It has a public face that is deeply disturbing, sort of beetroot-coloured gentleman in yellow-and-orange blazers sitting in this space in front of the Long Room and looking as if they’d come out of an Edwardian cartoon.”

    Stephen Fry says MCC stinks of privilege and classism

    Isn't that why he joined it?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 94,460

    Farooq said:

    It's going that well for the Conservatives that right wingers in here are breathlessly quoting Owen Jones and momentum :flushed:

    It feels a bit like a footie team losing 5-0 at home and the fans "¡olé!"-ing when they win a throw-in

    Not only that. They also seem to think SKS has morphed from a dull, ineffectual lawyer into Stalin in the space of a week or so.
    I remember when Ed M was briefly criticised for being weak and ineffective, but also a dangerous menace presumably due to how effective he would be.

    Seems to happen when there's a dispute over whether a 'they are weak' attack is working or not.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 58,106
    tlg86 said:

    Stephen Fry trying to change another institution:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/30/stephen-fry-says-mcc-stinks-of-privilege-and-classism/

    Fry, 66, also skewered his fellow MCC members, saying of the club: “It has a public face that is deeply disturbing, sort of beetroot-coloured gentleman in yellow-and-orange blazers sitting in this space in front of the Long Room and looking as if they’d come out of an Edwardian cartoon.”

    Self-hatred.

    He's exactly the same.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 20,324

    tlg86 said:

    Stephen Fry trying to change another institution:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/30/stephen-fry-says-mcc-stinks-of-privilege-and-classism/

    Fry, 66, also skewered his fellow MCC members, saying of the club: “It has a public face that is deeply disturbing, sort of beetroot-coloured gentleman in yellow-and-orange blazers sitting in this space in front of the Long Room and looking as if they’d come out of an Edwardian cartoon.”

    Stephen Fry says MCC stinks of privilege and classism

    Isn't that why he joined it?
    It's why they let him in :)
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    TimSTimS Posts: 11,410
    Interesting tuning into the news from France after being offline all day, and getting the sort of potted summary that most non-political viewers will be getting. It tells me:

    - Labour’s campaign has definitely been derailed by the Diane Abbott debacle and it’s leading the election coverage. They need to get on top of this. Starmer is being far too ambiguous and mealy mouthed. Just like after the Brexit vote Labour infighting is drowning out Tory infighting.
    - The tax story: that nobody dare talk about raising it, is probably neutral for the two main parties but surely provides a window of opportunity for the Lib Dems (which would do Labour a favour after the election). But they’ve not taken it yet
    - The Davey stunts seems to be getting quite positive reactions on the TV and social media. He should continue, while weaving in some serious policies (like a radical shift to land value tax).
    -
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,261
    tlg86 said:

    Stephen Fry trying to change another institution:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/30/stephen-fry-says-mcc-stinks-of-privilege-and-classism/

    Fry, 66, also skewered his fellow MCC members, saying of the club: “It has a public face that is deeply disturbing, sort of beetroot-coloured gentleman in yellow-and-orange blazers sitting in this space in front of the Long Room and looking as if they’d come out of an Edwardian cartoon.”

    Deeply ridiculous and bad person. What is it with that generation of walking cardiac events that means they deeply enjoy something for 30 years and then decide that the next generation shouldn't have it?

    As an aside MCC's bigger issue is what Surrey have done - they have tens of thousands of members who get in for a few hundred quid a year to watch all domestic games and it makes them the wealthiest county in England by far, yet the MCC don't seem to want to do/advertise it.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,605
    edited May 30

    GIN1138 said:

    tlg86 said:

    @GIN1138 - Were the Tories thinking what you were thinking in 2005?

    They were starting to get there under Michael Howard, who I always quite liked... but no. I actually voted Lib-Dem in 2005 as I liked Charlie and thought they should be rewarded for their principled (and correct) stance over Iraq.

    My voting record is:

    1997 - Lab

    2001 - Didn't Vote

    2005 - Lib

    2010 - Con

    2015 - Con

    2017 - Con (but only because Labour was being led by Jezza. Theresa was H.O.R.R.I.B.L.E. in that campaign)

    2019 - Con

    And now 2024.... LAB
    All over the place. Too much gin, Gin?
    I think you'll find I'm your classic floating voter (and I do like to back a winner ;) )
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 65,904
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    It's going that well for the Conservatives that right wingers in here are breathlessly quoting Owen Jones and momentum :flushed:

    It feels a bit like a footie team losing 5-0 at home and the fans "¡olé!"-ing when they win a throw-in

    Not only that. They also seem to think SKS has morphed from a dull, ineffectual lawyer into Stalin in the space of a week or so.
    Every single Labour leader gets called "Stalin" eventually. It's a weird reflex Tories have. I foolishly thought it mightn't happen this time, but I was wrong.
    Can he avoid Mr Bean, though ?
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    Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,204
    HYUFD said:

    @PeoplesMomentum
    ·
    19h
    The message from Keir Starmer couldn't be clearer:

    If you're left-wing, if you're a woman of colour, if you speak your own mind -

    Then you're not welcome. Disgusting.
    https://x.com/PeoplesMomentum/status/1795946387907006815

    All three major parties....if you are sane and have an idea of whats going on you are not welcome.....they all have nothing to offer...no ideas....and an inflated sense of their own intelligence
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    TimSTimS Posts: 11,410

    Farooq said:

    It's going that well for the Conservatives that right wingers in here are breathlessly quoting Owen Jones and momentum :flushed:

    It feels a bit like a footie team losing 5-0 at home and the fans "¡olé!"-ing when they win a throw-in

    Not only that. They also seem to think SKS has morphed from a dull, ineffectual lawyer into Stalin in the space of a week or so.
    From Mr Bean to Stalin indeed
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    boulayboulay Posts: 5,085
    edited May 30
    Nigelb said:

    Scott living rent free in some PB heads tonight.

    But luckily they aren’t living rent free in his HMO.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,032
    edited May 30
    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    It's going that well for the Conservatives that right wingers in here are breathlessly quoting Owen Jones and momentum :flushed:

    It feels a bit like a footie team losing 5-0 at home and the fans "¡olé!"-ing when they win a throw-in

    Not only that. They also seem to think SKS has morphed from a dull, ineffectual lawyer into Stalin in the space of a week or so.
    I remember when Ed M was briefly criticised for being weak and ineffective, but also a dangerous menace presumably due to how effective he would be.

    Seems to happen when there's a dispute over whether a 'they are weak' attack is working or not.
    Ed took away all doubt about his weakness though - when he unveiled the Ed Stone....

    I mean, who bounced him into that against his better judgement?
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 65,904
    Republicans are losing their shit over the judge not providing a written copy of his instructions to the jury (“that’s obvious bias” etc) not realising he could only have done so, under NY rules, had the defendant requested it.

    https://www.nycourts.gov/judges/cji/1-General/CJI2d.Written_Instructions_to_Jury.pdf
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 60,121
    Rachel Cunliffe
    @RMCunliffe
    ·
    1h
    Back in January I was talking to various Tory strategists about exactly this worry: that Sunak had never been front and centre of a national campaign and would behave in front of the cameras and the public like... well, like this

    https://x.com/RMCunliffe/status/1796221609667178678
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 52,541
    Farooq said:

    It's going that well for the Conservatives that right wingers in here are breathlessly quoting Owen Jones and momentum :flushed:

    It feels a bit like a footie team losing 5-0 at home and the fans "¡olé!"-ing when they win a throw-in

    I remember in the glory days Dundee United were beating Kilmarnock 7-0. The crowd chant was "we want 8, we want 8." The Kilmarnock fans responded, "we want 1, we want 1" and got a round of applause for their wit.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 49,774
    edited May 30

    tlg86 said:

    Stephen Fry trying to change another institution:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/30/stephen-fry-says-mcc-stinks-of-privilege-and-classism/

    Fry, 66, also skewered his fellow MCC members, saying of the club: “It has a public face that is deeply disturbing, sort of beetroot-coloured gentleman in yellow-and-orange blazers sitting in this space in front of the Long Room and looking as if they’d come out of an Edwardian cartoon.”

    Stephen Fry says MCC stinks of privilege and classism

    Isn't that why he joined it?
    He even became its president.

    https://www.lords.org/lords/news-stories/stephen-fry-to-become-next-president-of-mcc
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,290

    Five weeks, two hours and 40 minutes until the exit poll.

    It's just going to be awesome. Just imagine the Tories in third place on 40-50 seats and behind the LDs. They go to interview Oliver Dowden or whoever two minutes later ... I would be literally pissing myself.

    My guess is that it will be very close between a Labour majority and hung Parliament and we'll be up all night waiting to find out which it is.

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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 55,308
    viewcode said:

    tlg86 said:

    Stephen Fry trying to change another institution:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/30/stephen-fry-says-mcc-stinks-of-privilege-and-classism/

    Fry, 66, also skewered his fellow MCC members, saying of the club: “It has a public face that is deeply disturbing, sort of beetroot-coloured gentleman in yellow-and-orange blazers sitting in this space in front of the Long Room and looking as if they’d come out of an Edwardian cartoon.”

    God love him and all, but who is the first person you think of when you visualise a beetroot-coloured gentleman in yellow-and-orange blazers sitting in the Long Room and looking as if they’d come out of an Edwardian cartoon?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18JmieM8SFc
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 60,121
    viewcode said:

    tlg86 said:

    Stephen Fry trying to change another institution:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/30/stephen-fry-says-mcc-stinks-of-privilege-and-classism/

    Fry, 66, also skewered his fellow MCC members, saying of the club: “It has a public face that is deeply disturbing, sort of beetroot-coloured gentleman in yellow-and-orange blazers sitting in this space in front of the Long Room and looking as if they’d come out of an Edwardian cartoon.”

    God love him and all, but who is the first person you think of when you visualise a beetroot-coloured gentleman in yellow-and-orange blazers sitting in the Long Room and looking as if they’d come out of an Edwardian cartoon?
    Lord Melchett himself.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,605

    Rachel Cunliffe
    @RMCunliffe
    ·
    1h
    Back in January I was talking to various Tory strategists about exactly this worry: that Sunak had never been front and centre of a national campaign and would behave in front of the cameras and the public like... well, like this

    https://x.com/RMCunliffe/status/1796221609667178678

    I thought he handled that quite well? 🤷‍♂️
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,261

    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    It's going that well for the Conservatives that right wingers in here are breathlessly quoting Owen Jones and momentum :flushed:

    It feels a bit like a footie team losing 5-0 at home and the fans "¡olé!"-ing when they win a throw-in

    Not only that. They also seem to think SKS has morphed from a dull, ineffectual lawyer into Stalin in the space of a week or so.
    I remember when Ed M was briefly criticised for being weak and ineffective, but also a dangerous menace presumably due to how effective he would be.

    Seems to happen when there's a dispute over whether a 'they are weak' attack is working or not.
    Ed took away all doubt about his weakness though - when he unveiled the Ed Stone....

    I mean, who bounced him into that against his better judgement?
    At least once a week I think of that extract about the Labour staffer having a breakdown and screaming at the tv over and over when it was unveiled. Never fails to make me chuckle.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,758
    Chameleon said:

    tlg86 said:

    Stephen Fry trying to change another institution:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/30/stephen-fry-says-mcc-stinks-of-privilege-and-classism/

    Fry, 66, also skewered his fellow MCC members, saying of the club: “It has a public face that is deeply disturbing, sort of beetroot-coloured gentleman in yellow-and-orange blazers sitting in this space in front of the Long Room and looking as if they’d come out of an Edwardian cartoon.”

    Deeply ridiculous and bad person. What is it with that generation of walking cardiac events that means they deeply enjoy something for 30 years and then decide that the next generation shouldn't have it?

    As an aside MCC's bigger issue is what Surrey have done - they have tens of thousands of members who get in for a few hundred quid a year to watch all domestic games and it makes them the wealthiest county in England by far, yet the MCC don't seem to want to do/advertise it.
    I know someone who's a member at the Oval and I had a day there at the end of the 2022 season. If I didn't have to work ("Work...what's that?" enquired his friends), I'd be a member at Surrey.

    I also know an MCC member who isn't interested in watching Middlesex. And that's the thing, most MCC members have no affiliation with Middlesex.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 60,121
    A third human case of H5 bird flu tied to the ongoing U.S. outbreak in cattle has been detected in a farm worker in Michigan, state health authorities confirmed on Thursday.

    “With this case, respiratory symptoms occurred after direct exposure to an infected cow,”

    https://www.statnews.com/2024/05/30/bird-flu-third-case-human-infection-caused-respiratory-symptoms/
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 58,106
    GIN1138 said:

    Rachel Cunliffe
    @RMCunliffe
    ·
    1h
    Back in January I was talking to various Tory strategists about exactly this worry: that Sunak had never been front and centre of a national campaign and would behave in front of the cameras and the public like... well, like this

    https://x.com/RMCunliffe/status/1796221609667178678

    I thought he handled that quite well? 🤷‍♂️
    For the next 5 weeks everything Sunak says and does, or doesn't say or doesn't do, will be argue to be catastrophic.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,032
    Nigelb said:

    Republicans are losing their shit over the judge not providing a written copy of his instructions to the jury (“that’s obvious bias” etc) not realising he could only have done so, under NY rules, had the defendant requested it.

    https://www.nycourts.gov/judges/cji/1-General/CJI2d.Written_Instructions_to_Jury.pdf

    Republicans are so prone to losing their shit over the tiniest thing, they must all be wearing nappies....
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    TimSTimS Posts: 11,410

    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    It's going that well for the Conservatives that right wingers in here are breathlessly quoting Owen Jones and momentum :flushed:

    It feels a bit like a footie team losing 5-0 at home and the fans "¡olé!"-ing when they win a throw-in

    Not only that. They also seem to think SKS has morphed from a dull, ineffectual lawyer into Stalin in the space of a week or so.
    I remember when Ed M was briefly criticised for being weak and ineffective, but also a dangerous menace presumably due to how effective he would be.

    Seems to happen when there's a dispute over whether a 'they are weak' attack is working or not.
    Ed took away all doubt about his weakness though - when he unveiled the Ed Stone....

    I mean, who bounced him into that against his better judgement?
    However, if Ed Davey reveals his own Edstone next week it will probably be a good publicity stunt. Do it Ed.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,758
    GIN1138 said:

    Rachel Cunliffe
    @RMCunliffe
    ·
    1h
    Back in January I was talking to various Tory strategists about exactly this worry: that Sunak had never been front and centre of a national campaign and would behave in front of the cameras and the public like... well, like this

    https://x.com/RMCunliffe/status/1796221609667178678

    I thought he handled that quite well? 🤷‍♂️
    Yes, the question was "why should we trust you?" or words to that effect. Perhaps he shouldn't have tried to answer it but I don't think he should be criticised for doing so.
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    Clutch_BromptonClutch_Brompton Posts: 638

    GIN1138 said:

    Rachel Cunliffe
    @RMCunliffe
    ·
    1h
    Back in January I was talking to various Tory strategists about exactly this worry: that Sunak had never been front and centre of a national campaign and would behave in front of the cameras and the public like... well, like this

    https://x.com/RMCunliffe/status/1796221609667178678

    I thought he handled that quite well? 🤷‍♂️
    For the next 5 weeks everything Sunak says and does, or doesn't say or doesn't do, will be argue to be catastrophic.
    Having people say that about him is catastrophic
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,139

    Five weeks, two hours and 40 minutes until the exit poll.

    It's just going to be awesome. Just imagine the Tories in third place on 40-50 seats and behind the LDs. They go to interview Oliver Dowden or whoever two minutes later ... I would be literally pissing myself.

    My guess is that it will be very close between a Labour majority and hung Parliament and we'll be up all night waiting to find out which it is.

    To be fair, that would probably be better for the country - but nowhere near as funny.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 52,541
    TimS said:

    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    It's going that well for the Conservatives that right wingers in here are breathlessly quoting Owen Jones and momentum :flushed:

    It feels a bit like a footie team losing 5-0 at home and the fans "¡olé!"-ing when they win a throw-in

    Not only that. They also seem to think SKS has morphed from a dull, ineffectual lawyer into Stalin in the space of a week or so.
    I remember when Ed M was briefly criticised for being weak and ineffective, but also a dangerous menace presumably due to how effective he would be.

    Seems to happen when there's a dispute over whether a 'they are weak' attack is working or not.
    Ed took away all doubt about his weakness though - when he unveiled the Ed Stone....

    I mean, who bounced him into that against his better judgement?
    However, if Ed Davey reveals his own Edstone next week it will probably be a good publicity stunt. Do it Ed.
    He could always dress up as a postman. That would get attention.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,758

    A third human case of H5 bird flu tied to the ongoing U.S. outbreak in cattle has been detected in a farm worker in Michigan, state health authorities confirmed on Thursday.

    “With this case, respiratory symptoms occurred after direct exposure to an infected cow,”

    https://www.statnews.com/2024/05/30/bird-flu-third-case-human-infection-caused-respiratory-symptoms/

    Where's Leon? This sounds like something he needs to panic about.
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    eekeek Posts: 26,553

    boulay said:

    Nigelb said:

    boulay said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Taz said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @mikeysmith
    STORY

    Rishi Sunak caught taking private helicopter flight home hours after gushing about train travel

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/1796227395650744553

    @DPMcBride

    The little stool for getting on and off is very sweet.

    https://x.com/DPMcBride/status/1796231370454516182

    Nobody cares about Rishi's travel arrangements?
    Scott does.

    So nobody of any consequence.
    Will Scott finally stop his 8 year sulk and let go his bitterness once Election 24 is over? 🙏
    He’s too busy being a high achiever to waste time letting go of his bitterness. That’s time he could have spent in the corridors of power, making a difference, being successful. Better off reposting tweets.
    OTOH, he’ll have the satisfaction of being first to post the news about Starmer reapplying for EU membership…
    He will even fail at that. Someone who actually does something will hear it before him and post it here.

    It’s been the best possible opening for brilliant people like Scott to stand to be an MP and make a difference, stun us with his ideas, lead the country to a brighter future. Or just shitpost on PB.
    Breaking: Starmer has just applied for UK to re-join the EU!

    [Thought I'd get in first, for the record.]
    It's perfectly possible he tries that.

    No-one has a clue what he's going to do, or what will renege on, except the shit policies he really seems to care about - like eviscerating our education sector.
    Um ensuring that we have pushy parents trying to improve their local primary and secondary schools rather than paying to make a problem go away does to me seem like a good policy.

    Granted I know that you children won't be kept away from the working class but hey the working class now have the misfortune that.... (this last bit is a joke btw)..
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 11,588
    edited May 30

    tlg86 said:

    Stephen Fry trying to change another institution:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/30/stephen-fry-says-mcc-stinks-of-privilege-and-classism/

    Fry, 66, also skewered his fellow MCC members, saying of the club: “It has a public face that is deeply disturbing, sort of beetroot-coloured gentleman in yellow-and-orange blazers sitting in this space in front of the Long Room and looking as if they’d come out of an Edwardian cartoon.”

    Stephen Fry says MCC stinks of privilege and classism

    Isn't that why he joined it?
    Born Hampstead. Uppingham, Queen's College Cambridge, Garrick, Pratt's, MCC. Oik.
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    Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,204
    Farooq said:

    Pagan2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    @PeoplesMomentum
    ·
    19h
    The message from Keir Starmer couldn't be clearer:

    If you're left-wing, if you're a woman of colour, if you speak your own mind -

    Then you're not welcome. Disgusting.
    https://x.com/PeoplesMomentum/status/1795946387907006815

    All three major parties....if you are sane and have an idea of whats going on you are not welcome.....they all have nothing to offer...no ideas....and an inflated sense of their own intelligence
    Elite commentary. Pagan2, always in the top 90%.
    You only need to look at the bills passed under both labour and tories to know they often know fuck all about the things they are legislating on. Take the online safety bill for example. It is a totally non partisan comment.

    Our mp's fail to recognise when they don't know enough to pass legislation on subjects they don't understand
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    eekeek Posts: 26,553
    edited May 30

    GIN1138 said:

    Rachel Cunliffe
    @RMCunliffe
    ·
    1h
    Back in January I was talking to various Tory strategists about exactly this worry: that Sunak had never been front and centre of a national campaign and would behave in front of the cameras and the public like... well, like this

    https://x.com/RMCunliffe/status/1796221609667178678

    I thought he handled that quite well? 🤷‍♂️
    For the next 5 weeks everything Sunak says and does, or doesn't say or doesn't do, will be argue to be catastrophic.
    As will also be true for SKS. Meanwhile Ed Davey will continue to do silly stunts to ensure he gets 2 minutes of news coverage every day...
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 50,567
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    It's going that well for the Conservatives that right wingers in here are breathlessly quoting Owen Jones and momentum :flushed:

    It feels a bit like a footie team losing 5-0 at home and the fans "¡olé!"-ing when they win a throw-in

    Not only that. They also seem to think SKS has morphed from a dull, ineffectual lawyer into Stalin in the space of a week or so.
    Every single Labour leader gets called "Stalin" eventually. It's a weird reflex Tories have. I foolishly thought it mightn't happen this time, but I was wrong.
    Vince Cable was a Tory?
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    mickydroymickydroy Posts: 314

    Five weeks, two hours and 40 minutes until the exit poll.

    It's just going to be awesome. Just imagine the Tories in third place on 40-50 seats and behind the LDs. They go to interview Oliver Dowden or whoever two minutes later ... I would be literally pissing myself.

    My guess is that it will be very close between a Labour majority and hung Parliament and we'll be up all night waiting to find out which it is.

    That's my gut feeling about election night, we haven't got long left to find out who is right or wrong
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    Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 2,893
    edited May 30
    Chameleon said:

    tlg86 said:

    Stephen Fry trying to change another institution:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/30/stephen-fry-says-mcc-stinks-of-privilege-and-classism/

    Fry, 66, also skewered his fellow MCC members, saying of the club: “It has a public face that is deeply disturbing, sort of beetroot-coloured gentleman in yellow-and-orange blazers sitting in this space in front of the Long Room and looking as if they’d come out of an Edwardian cartoon.”

    Deeply ridiculous and bad person. What is it with that generation of walking cardiac events that means they deeply enjoy something for 30 years and then decide that the next generation shouldn't have it?

    As an aside MCC's bigger issue is what Surrey have done - they have tens of thousands of members who get in for a few hundred quid a year to watch all domestic games and it makes them the wealthiest county in England by far, yet the MCC don't seem to want to do/advertise it.
    MCC have a problem because Middlesex are thinking of moving out of Lord's - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/68867040 - which will leave the beetroot-coloured gentlemen with no cricket to watch for most of the summer.

    (Edited to fix URL)
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    carnforthcarnforth Posts: 3,798
    algarkirk said:

    tlg86 said:

    Stephen Fry trying to change another institution:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/30/stephen-fry-says-mcc-stinks-of-privilege-and-classism/

    Fry, 66, also skewered his fellow MCC members, saying of the club: “It has a public face that is deeply disturbing, sort of beetroot-coloured gentleman in yellow-and-orange blazers sitting in this space in front of the Long Room and looking as if they’d come out of an Edwardian cartoon.”

    Stephen Fry says MCC stinks of privilege and classism

    Isn't that why he joined it?
    Born Hampstead. Uppingham, Queen's College Cambridge, Garrick, Pratt's, MCC. Oik.
    Queens'. They get grumpy about that.
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 9,946
    eek said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Rachel Cunliffe
    @RMCunliffe
    ·
    1h
    Back in January I was talking to various Tory strategists about exactly this worry: that Sunak had never been front and centre of a national campaign and would behave in front of the cameras and the public like... well, like this

    https://x.com/RMCunliffe/status/1796221609667178678

    I thought he handled that quite well? 🤷‍♂️
    For the next 5 weeks everything Sunak says and does, or doesn't say or doesn't do, will be argue to be catastrophic.
    As will also be true for SKS. Meanwhile Ed Davey will continue to do silly stunts to ensure he gets 2 minutes of news coverage every day...
    Block booking the 'and finally.......' slot
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 11,588
    carnforth said:

    algarkirk said:

    tlg86 said:

    Stephen Fry trying to change another institution:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/30/stephen-fry-says-mcc-stinks-of-privilege-and-classism/

    Fry, 66, also skewered his fellow MCC members, saying of the club: “It has a public face that is deeply disturbing, sort of beetroot-coloured gentleman in yellow-and-orange blazers sitting in this space in front of the Long Room and looking as if they’d come out of an Edwardian cartoon.”

    Stephen Fry says MCC stinks of privilege and classism

    Isn't that why he joined it?
    Born Hampstead. Uppingham, Queen's College Cambridge, Garrick, Pratt's, MCC. Oik.
    Queens'. They get grumpy about that.
    Ego quoque oik.

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    TimSTimS Posts: 11,410
    🚨 NEW POLL 🚨

    @BMGResearch for @theipaper

    Labour 43% +2
    Tories 27% +2
    Reform 11% -3
    Lib Dems 9%
    Greens 6%

    16pt lead is unchanged from last BMG poll in April. But 3pt fall in Reform's standing suggests the squeeze *might* be on...


    https://x.com/hugogye/status/1796250395796296139?s=46
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,139
    edited May 30
    eek said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Rachel Cunliffe
    @RMCunliffe
    ·
    1h
    Back in January I was talking to various Tory strategists about exactly this worry: that Sunak had never been front and centre of a national campaign and would behave in front of the cameras and the public like... well, like this

    https://x.com/RMCunliffe/status/1796221609667178678

    I thought he handled that quite well? 🤷‍♂️
    For the next 5 weeks everything Sunak says and does, or doesn't say or doesn't do, will be argue to be catastrophic.
    As will also be true for SKS. Meanwhile Ed Davey will continue to do silly stunts to ensure he gets 2 minutes of news coverage every day...
    The clowning about is obviously a deliberate strategy, but I do wonder about the rationale. Election campaigns are the one time they can guarantee getting coverage.
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    Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,204
    Pagan2 said:

    Farooq said:

    Pagan2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    @PeoplesMomentum
    ·
    19h
    The message from Keir Starmer couldn't be clearer:

    If you're left-wing, if you're a woman of colour, if you speak your own mind -

    Then you're not welcome. Disgusting.
    https://x.com/PeoplesMomentum/status/1795946387907006815

    All three major parties....if you are sane and have an idea of whats going on you are not welcome.....they all have nothing to offer...no ideas....and an inflated sense of their own intelligence
    Elite commentary. Pagan2, always in the top 90%.
    You only need to look at the bills passed under both labour and tories to know they often know fuck all about the things they are legislating on. Take the online safety bill for example. It is a totally non partisan comment.

    Our mp's fail to recognise when they don't know enough to pass legislation on subjects they don't understand
    Its not just a uk thing either....I refer you to the spanish link tax and the canadian link tax.....neither of which worked out as politicians thought they would because politicians don't understand how the internet works
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 58,106
    eek said:

    boulay said:

    Nigelb said:

    boulay said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Taz said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @mikeysmith
    STORY

    Rishi Sunak caught taking private helicopter flight home hours after gushing about train travel

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/1796227395650744553

    @DPMcBride

    The little stool for getting on and off is very sweet.

    https://x.com/DPMcBride/status/1796231370454516182

    Nobody cares about Rishi's travel arrangements?
    Scott does.

    So nobody of any consequence.
    Will Scott finally stop his 8 year sulk and let go his bitterness once Election 24 is over? 🙏
    He’s too busy being a high achiever to waste time letting go of his bitterness. That’s time he could have spent in the corridors of power, making a difference, being successful. Better off reposting tweets.
    OTOH, he’ll have the satisfaction of being first to post the news about Starmer reapplying for EU membership…
    He will even fail at that. Someone who actually does something will hear it before him and post it here.

    It’s been the best possible opening for brilliant people like Scott to stand to be an MP and make a difference, stun us with his ideas, lead the country to a brighter future. Or just shitpost on PB.
    Breaking: Starmer has just applied for UK to re-join the EU!

    [Thought I'd get in first, for the record.]
    It's perfectly possible he tries that.

    No-one has a clue what he's going to do, or what will renege on, except the shit policies he really seems to care about - like eviscerating our education sector.
    Um ensuring that we have pushy parents trying to improve their local primary and secondary schools rather than paying to make a problem go away does to me seem like a good policy.

    Granted I know that you children won't be kept away from the working class but hey the working class now have the misfortune that.... (this last bit is a joke btw)..
    Ah, the old pushy-parent bollocks.

    Such bollocks.
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    Clutch_BromptonClutch_Brompton Posts: 638
    GIN1138 said:

    Rachel Cunliffe
    @RMCunliffe
    ·
    1h
    Back in January I was talking to various Tory strategists about exactly this worry: that Sunak had never been front and centre of a national campaign and would behave in front of the cameras and the public like... well, like this

    https://x.com/RMCunliffe/status/1796221609667178678

    I thought he handled that quite well? 🤷‍♂️
    It just reminds people that Mr Sunak partied while their relatives died on his watch. He also covered up for others who did much worse. Many people also believe that his family profiteered at the time. He couldn't have handled this well. That is the point - he is being judged on his record and the vast majority think his record is poor to catastrophic.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 40,223

    .

    .

    kinabalu said:

    nico679 said:

    Starmer starting to look shifty

    What do you mean starting to ! Lol

    Everyone knows I’d have been much happier with Angela Rayner as leader . I want rid of the Tories and will be tactically voting Lib Dem in Eastbourne but really this feels nothing like 1997 .

    Maybe I’m just a bit too old and bitter and cynical now but it’s all so underwhelming .
    I'm not so underwhelmed. July 5th will be a great day because we’ll have a Labour government after all these years of the Conservatives. Yes, the policies, and we’ll see what they are in due course, once the election is over, however it’s mainly about the overall ambience of things when you have Labour in office rather than the Tories. It’s a 24/7 source of quiet contentment, a pleasant background hum, always there, bringing comfort on a bad day, a little extra spice to a good one. It isn’t something you think about often, that Labour’s in power, but this is the point, you don’t need to always be thinking about it because you kind of know that all is ok and in order. If a Tory government is like having a stone in your shoe, which it is, a Labour government is like wearing a well-cut pair of trousers. So this is what I can (figuratively) look forward to now. Several years, perhaps a decade or more, of walking around in a well-cut pair of trousers. If that's not a :smile: I don't know what is.
    When it comes down to it, you're just a football-team supporter of Labour.
    ...says Conservative FC ultra, Casino Royale
    Yeah, but I don't talk about a Conservative victory like a permanent 10-year orgasm.

    Nor did I big-up Corbyn with some pseudo-intellectual mumbo-jumbo and then pretend SKS was just as frickin' good when it didn't work out.
    A well-cut pair of trousers, I said, not an orgasm. It was a precise analogy. I gave it much thought.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,758

    GIN1138 said:

    Rachel Cunliffe
    @RMCunliffe
    ·
    1h
    Back in January I was talking to various Tory strategists about exactly this worry: that Sunak had never been front and centre of a national campaign and would behave in front of the cameras and the public like... well, like this

    https://x.com/RMCunliffe/status/1796221609667178678

    I thought he handled that quite well? 🤷‍♂️
    It just reminds people that Mr Sunak partied while their relatives died on his watch. He also covered up for others who did much worse. Many people also believe that his family profiteered at the time. He couldn't have handled this well. That is the point - he is being judged on his record and the vast majority think his record is poor to catastrophic.
    Did he party? I thought he was at a meeting when Johnson's wife turned up with birthday cake.

    And how did he cover up for others? That's quite a serious allegation.
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 11,588

    Five weeks, two hours and 40 minutes until the exit poll.

    It's just going to be awesome. Just imagine the Tories in third place on 40-50 seats and behind the LDs. They go to interview Oliver Dowden or whoever two minutes later ... I would be literally pissing myself.

    My guess is that it will be very close between a Labour majority and hung Parliament and we'll be up all night waiting to find out which it is.

    To be fair, that would probably be better for the country - but nowhere near as funny.
    It's finely balanced. A Lab/LD coalition or similar would be good. But if this Tory shower only just lose they may miss the impetus which losing 310 seats would provide to rethink what the centre right might stand for without being a national joke.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 58,106
    TimS said:

    🚨 NEW POLL 🚨

    @BMGResearch for @theipaper

    Labour 43% +2
    Tories 27% +2
    Reform 11% -3
    Lib Dems 9%
    Greens 6%

    16pt lead is unchanged from last BMG poll in April. But 3pt fall in Reform's standing suggests the squeeze *might* be on...


    https://x.com/hugogye/status/1796250395796296139?s=46

    I like the Bet365 bet on Tory voteshare of 28-32% at 9/2.

    Also, 32-36% at 14/1 as a nice saver. Just in case they creep up to 32.5%
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,261
    Per Popbitch:


    "According to Nielsen BookScan, ex-Aussie PM Scott Morrison's book sold 218 copies in its first week in Australia; the sort of figure that makes Liz Truss look like Richard Osman."

    Genuinely impressive figure.
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    Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,627

    eek said:

    boulay said:

    Nigelb said:

    boulay said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Taz said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @mikeysmith
    STORY

    Rishi Sunak caught taking private helicopter flight home hours after gushing about train travel

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/1796227395650744553

    @DPMcBride

    The little stool for getting on and off is very sweet.

    https://x.com/DPMcBride/status/1796231370454516182

    Nobody cares about Rishi's travel arrangements?
    Scott does.

    So nobody of any consequence.
    Will Scott finally stop his 8 year sulk and let go his bitterness once Election 24 is over? 🙏
    He’s too busy being a high achiever to waste time letting go of his bitterness. That’s time he could have spent in the corridors of power, making a difference, being successful. Better off reposting tweets.
    OTOH, he’ll have the satisfaction of being first to post the news about Starmer reapplying for EU membership…
    He will even fail at that. Someone who actually does something will hear it before him and post it here.

    It’s been the best possible opening for brilliant people like Scott to stand to be an MP and make a difference, stun us with his ideas, lead the country to a brighter future. Or just shitpost on PB.
    Breaking: Starmer has just applied for UK to re-join the EU!

    [Thought I'd get in first, for the record.]
    It's perfectly possible he tries that.

    No-one has a clue what he's going to do, or what will renege on, except the shit policies he really seems to care about - like eviscerating our education sector.
    Um ensuring that we have pushy parents trying to improve their local primary and secondary schools rather than paying to make a problem go away does to me seem like a good policy.

    Granted I know that you children won't be kept away from the working class but hey the working class now have the misfortune that.... (this last bit is a joke btw)..
    Ah, the old pushy-parent bollocks.

    Such bollocks.
    You would say that wouldn't you. I bet the teachers are your son's school could tell a few tales.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 58,106
    eek said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Rachel Cunliffe
    @RMCunliffe
    ·
    1h
    Back in January I was talking to various Tory strategists about exactly this worry: that Sunak had never been front and centre of a national campaign and would behave in front of the cameras and the public like... well, like this

    https://x.com/RMCunliffe/status/1796221609667178678

    I thought he handled that quite well? 🤷‍♂️
    For the next 5 weeks everything Sunak says and does, or doesn't say or doesn't do, will be argue to be catastrophic.
    As will also be true for SKS. Meanwhile Ed Davey will continue to do silly stunts to ensure he gets 2 minutes of news coverage every day...
    Where does he go next? Extreme ironing?
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 60,121

    Aaron Bastani
    @AaronBastani
    ·
    2h
    Really impressive launch from @TheGreenParty this morning in Bristol.


    Aaron Bastani
    @AaronBastani
    ·
    2h
    Spoke to a fair few Bristolians for vox pops - including more than fair share of
    @novaramedia viewers - and a veteran ex-Tory voter….

    Even Labour voters had nothing but positive words for @carla_denyer

    https://x.com/AaronBastani
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    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,146
    TimS said:

    🚨 NEW POLL 🚨

    @BMGResearch for @theipaper

    Labour 43% +2
    Tories 27% +2
    Reform 11% -3
    Lib Dems 9%
    Greens 6%

    16pt lead is unchanged from last BMG poll in April. But 3pt fall in Reform's standing suggests the squeeze *might* be on...


    https://x.com/hugogye/status/1796250395796296139?s=46

    Labour would still have a colossal majority with those figures. Hopefully the Tories can squeeze Reform but need to see more evidence.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 55,308
    algarkirk said:

    tlg86 said:

    Stephen Fry trying to change another institution:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/30/stephen-fry-says-mcc-stinks-of-privilege-and-classism/

    Fry, 66, also skewered his fellow MCC members, saying of the club: “It has a public face that is deeply disturbing, sort of beetroot-coloured gentleman in yellow-and-orange blazers sitting in this space in front of the Long Room and looking as if they’d come out of an Edwardian cartoon.”

    Stephen Fry says MCC stinks of privilege and classism

    Isn't that why he joined it?
    Born Hampstead. Uppingham, Queen's College Cambridge, Garrick, Pratt's, MCC. Oik.
    Oi! OGH was a fellow at Queens College Cambridge.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 58,106
    algarkirk said:

    tlg86 said:

    Stephen Fry trying to change another institution:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/30/stephen-fry-says-mcc-stinks-of-privilege-and-classism/

    Fry, 66, also skewered his fellow MCC members, saying of the club: “It has a public face that is deeply disturbing, sort of beetroot-coloured gentleman in yellow-and-orange blazers sitting in this space in front of the Long Room and looking as if they’d come out of an Edwardian cartoon.”

    Stephen Fry says MCC stinks of privilege and classism

    Isn't that why he joined it?
    Born Hampstead. Uppingham, Queen's College Cambridge, Garrick, Pratt's, MCC. Oik.
    He's probably just trying to cover himself within his progressive social circle by saying the right things whilst secretly hoping he's ignored.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 60,121
    ToryJim said:

    TimS said:

    🚨 NEW POLL 🚨

    @BMGResearch for @theipaper

    Labour 43% +2
    Tories 27% +2
    Reform 11% -3
    Lib Dems 9%
    Greens 6%

    16pt lead is unchanged from last BMG poll in April. But 3pt fall in Reform's standing suggests the squeeze *might* be on...


    https://x.com/hugogye/status/1796250395796296139?s=46

    Labour would still have a colossal majority with those figures. Hopefully the Tories can squeeze Reform but need to see more evidence.
    I can't see Reform actually getting more than 5% myself.

    Question will be how those votes spilt off.
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    eekeek Posts: 26,553
    edited May 30

    eek said:

    boulay said:

    Nigelb said:

    boulay said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Taz said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @mikeysmith
    STORY

    Rishi Sunak caught taking private helicopter flight home hours after gushing about train travel

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/1796227395650744553

    @DPMcBride

    The little stool for getting on and off is very sweet.

    https://x.com/DPMcBride/status/1796231370454516182

    Nobody cares about Rishi's travel arrangements?
    Scott does.

    So nobody of any consequence.
    Will Scott finally stop his 8 year sulk and let go his bitterness once Election 24 is over? 🙏
    He’s too busy being a high achiever to waste time letting go of his bitterness. That’s time he could have spent in the corridors of power, making a difference, being successful. Better off reposting tweets.
    OTOH, he’ll have the satisfaction of being first to post the news about Starmer reapplying for EU membership…
    He will even fail at that. Someone who actually does something will hear it before him and post it here.

    It’s been the best possible opening for brilliant people like Scott to stand to be an MP and make a difference, stun us with his ideas, lead the country to a brighter future. Or just shitpost on PB.
    Breaking: Starmer has just applied for UK to re-join the EU!

    [Thought I'd get in first, for the record.]
    It's perfectly possible he tries that.

    No-one has a clue what he's going to do, or what will renege on, except the shit policies he really seems to care about - like eviscerating our education sector.
    Um ensuring that we have pushy parents trying to improve their local primary and secondary schools rather than paying to make a problem go away does to me seem like a good policy.

    Granted I know that you children won't be kept away from the working class but hey the working class now have the misfortune that.... (this last bit is a joke btw)..
    Ah, the old pushy-parent bollocks.

    Such bollocks.
    I've seen it work in multiple places. As a prime example look at Framwellgate in Durham which has rapidly improved as pushy parents had to settle for second best (because they couldn't get into Durham Johnston) and decided that second best could be significantly improved...
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    Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,627

    eek said:

    boulay said:

    Nigelb said:

    boulay said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Taz said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @mikeysmith
    STORY

    Rishi Sunak caught taking private helicopter flight home hours after gushing about train travel

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/1796227395650744553

    @DPMcBride

    The little stool for getting on and off is very sweet.

    https://x.com/DPMcBride/status/1796231370454516182

    Nobody cares about Rishi's travel arrangements?
    Scott does.

    So nobody of any consequence.
    Will Scott finally stop his 8 year sulk and let go his bitterness once Election 24 is over? 🙏
    He’s too busy being a high achiever to waste time letting go of his bitterness. That’s time he could have spent in the corridors of power, making a difference, being successful. Better off reposting tweets.
    OTOH, he’ll have the satisfaction of being first to post the news about Starmer reapplying for EU membership…
    He will even fail at that. Someone who actually does something will hear it before him and post it here.

    It’s been the best possible opening for brilliant people like Scott to stand to be an MP and make a difference, stun us with his ideas, lead the country to a brighter future. Or just shitpost on PB.
    Breaking: Starmer has just applied for UK to re-join the EU!

    [Thought I'd get in first, for the record.]
    It's perfectly possible he tries that.

    No-one has a clue what he's going to do, or what will renege on, except the shit policies he really seems to care about - like eviscerating our education sector.
    Um ensuring that we have pushy parents trying to improve their local primary and secondary schools rather than paying to make a problem go away does to me seem like a good policy.

    Granted I know that you children won't be kept away from the working class but hey the working class now have the misfortune that.... (this last bit is a joke btw)..
    Ah, the old pushy-parent bollocks.

    Such bollocks.
    You would say that wouldn't you. I bet the teachers are your son's school could tell a few tales.
    Too soon?
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    AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,367
    tlg86 said:

    Stephen Fry trying to change another institution:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/30/stephen-fry-says-mcc-stinks-of-privilege-and-classism/

    Fry, 66, also skewered his fellow MCC members, saying of the club: “It has a public face that is deeply disturbing, sort of beetroot-coloured gentleman in yellow-and-orange blazers sitting in this space in front of the Long Room and looking as if they’d come out of an Edwardian cartoon.”

    The most surprising part of this is that Stephen Fry is only 66. I honestly thought he was at least a decade older...
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    StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 15,676

    GIN1138 said:

    Rachel Cunliffe
    @RMCunliffe
    ·
    1h
    Back in January I was talking to various Tory strategists about exactly this worry: that Sunak had never been front and centre of a national campaign and would behave in front of the cameras and the public like... well, like this

    https://x.com/RMCunliffe/status/1796221609667178678

    I thought he handled that quite well? 🤷‍♂️
    For the next 5 weeks everything Sunak says and does, or doesn't say or doesn't do, will be argue to be catastrophic.
    Having people say that about him is catastrophic
    And that's the point.

    Politics isn't entirely rational, any more than any other human encounter. Some people have "it", but others don't.

    Sunak doesn't have "it" at any level at all, which is why he's fated to wander the country with a "kick me" sign pinned to the back of his jacket. If he were a brilliantly effective technocrat, that would be fine, we'd respect that. But he isn't. So he's in deep deep trouble. Some of it is unfair, but not all of it. And if you've benefitted from the good luck, you can't complain when it deserts you.

    Meanwhile, here's an infographic beautiful enough to hang on the wall of a gallery of modern art. How opinion polls change (or don't) over a campaign.



    https://twitter.com/Dylan_Difford/status/1796249514908483779


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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 60,121

    GIN1138 said:

    Rachel Cunliffe
    @RMCunliffe
    ·
    1h
    Back in January I was talking to various Tory strategists about exactly this worry: that Sunak had never been front and centre of a national campaign and would behave in front of the cameras and the public like... well, like this

    https://x.com/RMCunliffe/status/1796221609667178678

    I thought he handled that quite well? 🤷‍♂️
    It just reminds people that Mr Sunak partied while their relatives died on his watch. He also covered up for others who did much worse. Many people also believe that his family profiteered at the time. He couldn't have handled this well. That is the point - he is being judged on his record and the vast majority think his record is poor to catastrophic.
    It's the lack of emotional connect that comes across.

    It's as if he really is a spreadsheet/chess type who finds this kind of mushy stuff all very difficult.
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    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,146
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,261
    TimS said:

    🚨 NEW POLL 🚨

    @BMGResearch for @theipaper

    Labour 43% +2
    Tories 27% +2
    Reform 11% -3
    Lib Dems 9%
    Greens 6%

    16pt lead is unchanged from last BMG poll in April. But 3pt fall in Reform's standing suggests the squeeze *might* be on...


    https://x.com/hugogye/status/1796250395796296139?s=46

    Would be hilarious if the net effect of money for the old, indentured servitude for the young week was that they gained 2% from Reform but then lost the same to Labour, leaving them in a far worse position.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 20,324
    Everybody always brings in game theory, usually wrongly
    Here's a guy doing it for real

    * Simon Sinek (Ted talk, short): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bFs6ZiynSU
    * Simon Sinek (Talks at Google, long): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_osKgFwKoDQ
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    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,146

    ToryJim said:

    TimS said:

    🚨 NEW POLL 🚨

    @BMGResearch for @theipaper

    Labour 43% +2
    Tories 27% +2
    Reform 11% -3
    Lib Dems 9%
    Greens 6%

    16pt lead is unchanged from last BMG poll in April. But 3pt fall in Reform's standing suggests the squeeze *might* be on...


    https://x.com/hugogye/status/1796250395796296139?s=46

    Labour would still have a colossal majority with those figures. Hopefully the Tories can squeeze Reform but need to see more evidence.
    I can't see Reform actually getting more than 5% myself.

    Question will be how those votes spilt off.
    I’d say 70% won’t actually vote, the rest will largely go back to the Tories.
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    Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,146
    ToryJim said:

    TimS said:

    🚨 NEW POLL 🚨

    @BMGResearch for @theipaper

    Labour 43% +2
    Tories 27% +2
    Reform 11% -3
    Lib Dems 9%
    Greens 6%

    16pt lead is unchanged from last BMG poll in April. But 3pt fall in Reform's standing suggests the squeeze *might* be on...


    https://x.com/hugogye/status/1796250395796296139?s=46

    Labour would still have a colossal majority with those figures. Hopefully the Tories can squeeze Reform but need to see more evidence.
    If they are squeezing reform but still not closing the gap, that's a bit of a problem, isn't it?
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    TazTaz Posts: 12,566
    tlg86 said:

    A third human case of H5 bird flu tied to the ongoing U.S. outbreak in cattle has been detected in a farm worker in Michigan, state health authorities confirmed on Thursday.

    “With this case, respiratory symptoms occurred after direct exposure to an infected cow,”

    https://www.statnews.com/2024/05/30/bird-flu-third-case-human-infection-caused-respiratory-symptoms/

    Where's Leon? This sounds like something he needs to panic about.
    Brace Brace.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,194
    Re Header: I don't imagine much will change. I didn't imagine Labour would go from polling 24% in April 2017 to actually getting 41% either!

    I'm really struggling to find any good bets so far with this GE. I usually love picking through the constituency markets and finding some wrinkle that represents opportunity. This time though it's just hard to see past the Red tide demolishing walls of all colour.

    My betting, and Sunak's campaigning need to identify some sort of a theme which will capture hearts and minds. The problem that they have is that their best asset (Hunt) is in a perfectly balanced stand-off with Labour's best asset (Reeves).

    The most interesting market out there to my mind is BFs 'How many seats will the Tories lose' - that 201 line is rather good - although (and this nearly caught me out) it is based on the 2019 baseline. (I've no current position)

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    TazTaz Posts: 12,566
    edited May 30

    ToryJim said:

    TimS said:

    🚨 NEW POLL 🚨

    @BMGResearch for @theipaper

    Labour 43% +2
    Tories 27% +2
    Reform 11% -3
    Lib Dems 9%
    Greens 6%

    16pt lead is unchanged from last BMG poll in April. But 3pt fall in Reform's standing suggests the squeeze *might* be on...


    https://x.com/hugogye/status/1796250395796296139?s=46

    Labour would still have a colossal majority with those figures. Hopefully the Tories can squeeze Reform but need to see more evidence.
    If they are squeezing reform but still not closing the gap, that's a bit of a problem, isn't it?
    People assume that the Reform vote is largely Ex-Tory but it may well not be. There’s no reason to believe most could go Tory.
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    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,146

    ToryJim said:

    TimS said:

    🚨 NEW POLL 🚨

    @BMGResearch for @theipaper

    Labour 43% +2
    Tories 27% +2
    Reform 11% -3
    Lib Dems 9%
    Greens 6%

    16pt lead is unchanged from last BMG poll in April. But 3pt fall in Reform's standing suggests the squeeze *might* be on...


    https://x.com/hugogye/status/1796250395796296139?s=46

    Labour would still have a colossal majority with those figures. Hopefully the Tories can squeeze Reform but need to see more evidence.
    If they are squeezing reform but still not closing the gap, that's a bit of a problem, isn't it?
    Yes, and no. The changes on this poll probably saves 10-15 seats especially as the gap to the Lib Dem’s is wider.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 34,982
    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @mikeysmith
    STORY

    Rishi Sunak caught taking private helicopter flight home hours after gushing about train travel

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/1796227395650744553

    @DPMcBride

    The little stool for getting on and off is very sweet.

    https://x.com/DPMcBride/status/1796231370454516182

    Nobody cares about Rishi's travel arrangements?
    This ad won't land then...

    https://x.com/UKLabour/status/1796244431080931688
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    nico679nico679 Posts: 5,671
    Only 90 minutes to go before jury deliberations end for the day .

    If there’s no verdict before then it would be a bad sign for the prosecution .
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 58,106
    eek said:

    eek said:

    boulay said:

    Nigelb said:

    boulay said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Taz said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @mikeysmith
    STORY

    Rishi Sunak caught taking private helicopter flight home hours after gushing about train travel

    https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/1796227395650744553

    @DPMcBride

    The little stool for getting on and off is very sweet.

    https://x.com/DPMcBride/status/1796231370454516182

    Nobody cares about Rishi's travel arrangements?
    Scott does.

    So nobody of any consequence.
    Will Scott finally stop his 8 year sulk and let go his bitterness once Election 24 is over? 🙏
    He’s too busy being a high achiever to waste time letting go of his bitterness. That’s time he could have spent in the corridors of power, making a difference, being successful. Better off reposting tweets.
    OTOH, he’ll have the satisfaction of being first to post the news about Starmer reapplying for EU membership…
    He will even fail at that. Someone who actually does something will hear it before him and post it here.

    It’s been the best possible opening for brilliant people like Scott to stand to be an MP and make a difference, stun us with his ideas, lead the country to a brighter future. Or just shitpost on PB.
    Breaking: Starmer has just applied for UK to re-join the EU!

    [Thought I'd get in first, for the record.]
    It's perfectly possible he tries that.

    No-one has a clue what he's going to do, or what will renege on, except the shit policies he really seems to care about - like eviscerating our education sector.
    Um ensuring that we have pushy parents trying to improve their local primary and secondary schools rather than paying to make a problem go away does to me seem like a good policy.

    Granted I know that you children won't be kept away from the working class but hey the working class now have the misfortune that.... (this last bit is a joke btw)..
    Ah, the old pushy-parent bollocks.

    Such bollocks.
    I've seen it work in multiple places. As a prime example look at Framwellgate in Durham which has rapidly improved as pushy parents had to settle for second best (because they couldn't get into Durham Johnston) and decided that second best could be significantly improved...
    That's down to leadership, not the right class of parent.

    Honestly, this sort of stuff really pisses me off. It's a sort of inverse snobbery racked with prejudice.

    You don't think working class parents care passionately about their kids education too, or are incapable of advocating for them?
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,032
    edited May 30
    TimS said:

    🚨 NEW POLL 🚨

    @BMGResearch for @theipaper

    Labour 43% +2
    Tories 27% +2
    Reform 11% -3
    Lib Dems 9%
    Greens 6%

    16pt lead is unchanged from last BMG poll in April. But 3pt fall in Reform's standing suggests the squeeze *might* be on...


    https://x.com/hugogye/status/1796250395796296139?s=46

    Reform on 14% never looked real. The idea of them overtaking the Tories caused me a wry smile.

    Even Farage is walking backwards from them.
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 16,454

    Farooq said:

    It's going that well for the Conservatives that right wingers in here are breathlessly quoting Owen Jones and momentum :flushed:

    It feels a bit like a footie team losing 5-0 at home and the fans "¡olé!"-ing when they win a throw-in

    Not only that. They also seem to think SKS has morphed from a dull, ineffectual lawyer into Stalin in the space of a week or so.
    So not just deselecting Abbot et al, but they’ve been taken down and shot too? More ruthless than I thought.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 60,121
    tlg86 said:

    A third human case of H5 bird flu tied to the ongoing U.S. outbreak in cattle has been detected in a farm worker in Michigan, state health authorities confirmed on Thursday.

    “With this case, respiratory symptoms occurred after direct exposure to an infected cow,”

    https://www.statnews.com/2024/05/30/bird-flu-third-case-human-infection-caused-respiratory-symptoms/

    Where's Leon? This sounds like something he needs to panic about.
    Last heard of trying Plum Brandy in Moldova
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 58,106
    I as a "pushy parent" paying a lot of fees couldn't prevent my kids school closing down, despite advocating to the teachers and headmaster.

    Turns out SKS's voice was louder.
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 11,588

    GIN1138 said:

    Rachel Cunliffe
    @RMCunliffe
    ·
    1h
    Back in January I was talking to various Tory strategists about exactly this worry: that Sunak had never been front and centre of a national campaign and would behave in front of the cameras and the public like... well, like this

    https://x.com/RMCunliffe/status/1796221609667178678

    I thought he handled that quite well? 🤷‍♂️
    For the next 5 weeks everything Sunak says and does, or doesn't say or doesn't do, will be argue to be catastrophic.
    Having people say that about him is catastrophic
    And that's the point.

    Politics isn't entirely rational, any more than any other human encounter. Some people have "it", but others don't.

    Sunak doesn't have "it" at any level at all, which is why he's fated to wander the country with a "kick me" sign pinned to the back of his jacket. If he were a brilliantly effective technocrat, that would be fine, we'd respect that. But he isn't. So he's in deep deep trouble. Some of it is unfair, but not all of it. And if you've benefitted from the good luck, you can't complain when it deserts you.

    Meanwhile, here's an infographic beautiful enough to hang on the wall of a gallery of modern art. How opinion polls change (or don't) over a campaign.



    https://twitter.com/Dylan_Difford/status/1796249514908483779


    It's going between the Modigliani and the Mondrian. The 2010, 2017 and 2019 are each a compelling political novel in a square inch.
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    Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,131

    eek said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Rachel Cunliffe
    @RMCunliffe
    ·
    1h
    Back in January I was talking to various Tory strategists about exactly this worry: that Sunak had never been front and centre of a national campaign and would behave in front of the cameras and the public like... well, like this

    https://x.com/RMCunliffe/status/1796221609667178678

    I thought he handled that quite well? 🤷‍♂️
    For the next 5 weeks everything Sunak says and does, or doesn't say or doesn't do, will be argue to be catastrophic.
    As will also be true for SKS. Meanwhile Ed Davey will continue to do silly stunts to ensure he gets 2 minutes of news coverage every day...
    Block booking the 'and finally.......' slot
    Oh, for the return of the Ceefax Charivari page:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20032531
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