South Africa 2024 General Election with 29.5% reporting = 3,578,070 counted
African National Congress 1,519,417 42.5% Democratic Alliance 897,332 25.1% Economic Freedom Fighters 320,888 9.0% uMkhonto weSizwe 309,037 8.6% Patriotic Alliance 135,134 3.8% Inkatha Freedom Party 78,751 2.0% Freedom Front Plus 65,575 1.8% 45 other parties combined 251,936 7.0%
Coming to a General Election near you soon, Liz Truss’ “Economic Freedom Fighters”.
Although I like the party for people who are so drunk they can’t speak “uMkhonto weSizwe”. After the combined student and drunken gammon vote I guess.
Except EFF are borderline Marxists
EFF are Fanonists. They correctly identify the problem with (white minority capitalism) and solution to (no white minority capitalism) to South Africa's problems.
Just catching up with the defection of Mark Logan. I hope he’s already cleared out his office as I suspect his former colleagues will probably want to lynch him if they bump into him.
I suspect that this campaign is going to age Rishi by about 25 years. He might not be the most capable politician but he doesn’t exactly deserve this.
Everyone knows I’d have been much happier with Angela Rayner as leader . I want rid of the Tories and will be tactically voting Lib Dem in Eastbourne but really this feels nothing like 1997 .
Maybe I’m just a bit too old and bitter and cynical now but it’s all so underwhelming .
I'm not so underwhelmed. July 5th will be a great day because we’ll have a Labour government after all these years of the Conservatives. Yes, the policies, and we’ll see what they are in due course, once the election is over, however it’s mainly about the overall ambience of things when you have Labour in office rather than the Tories. It’s a 24/7 source of quiet contentment, a pleasant background hum, always there, bringing comfort on a bad day, a little extra spice to a good one. It isn’t something you think about often, that Labour’s in power, but this is the point, you don’t need to always be thinking about it because you kind of know that all is ok and in order. If a Tory government is like having a stone in your shoe, which it is, a Labour government is like wearing a well-cut pair of trousers. So this is what I can (figuratively) look forward to now. Several years, perhaps a decade or more, of walking around in a well-cut pair of trousers. If that's not a I don't know what is.
ROFL.
what madness, Youre getting rid of an old banger ( deservedly ) but have absolutely no idea of what is going to replace it. For an accountant the whole concept of due diligence seems to have passed you by.
What would you like to replace said banger?
A conservative government with actual conservative policies.
That's not on offer either.
I don't know. The Labour Party looks like a rather conservative party to me. You might be surprised.
It's not. It's big government, interfere in people's lives, spend money we havent got. Tories are the same.
Does anyone in the advanced western world have a coherent manifesto, covering all the essential ground, for a small government, non interfering, liberty loving, budget balancing, low spending way of running a large and complex country?
Outgoing Bolton NE MP Mark Logan switches to Labour
I doubt even the voters of Bolton NE give a shit. about it.
He's gone for the full meek switch, a cotton wool defection
just a politcal rentboy hoping to save his job.
He’s not running again. And said that he waited until Parliament was dissolved, since he was elected as a Conservative.
So you’re pretty well wrong all round.
The contrast between your and Casino’s immediate reaction is also (unintentionally) hilarious.
The man's from Ballymena he'll pop up somewhere else. English naivety never ceases to amaze.
Tory cynicism, ditto.
.. Asked if he could run for Labour in the future, he said: "I wouldn't rule out coming back into public life in the future but this is me definitely stepping down in this Parliament….
Im not a cynic. Im an extreme realist.
Anyway pub night so off to canvass the views of the village collective. Have a good evening.
Just catching up with the defection of Mark Logan. I hope he’s already cleared out his office as I suspect his former colleagues will probably want to lynch him if they bump into him.
I suspect that this campaign is going to age Rishi by about 25 years. He might not be the most capable politician but he doesn’t exactly deserve this.
I don’t think it will affect him too much - it’s not his one thing in life, it’s not the whole summation of his success or failure. When this goes tits up he’s still been Chancellor of the Exchequer, PM by mid forties, made millions in a career he was obviously successful at, married a billionairess, an amazing educational experience in different places and seems to have a happy marriage and lovely children. He has an incredible life ahead of him, more so than 99.999999999999999% of the world’s population and I think his tiggerish persona and desire to achieve will put it all in perspective.
If he was a politician whose existence had been Uni, Spad, MP, shadow Cabinet, government and then it fell apart on their watch and was all they knew then bitterness would follow but I think Rishi will be ok.
Just because he has other things in life doesn’t mean he’s not invested in this. He’s also human and this must be a nightmare. I know he signed up for it but nobody expects the hurricane of shite Rishi has to deal with.
I’m sure he’s super invested in it but I’m sure he realised what a clusterfuck he was inheriting and the challenge ahead. It will be frustrating but as I said, it’s not as if his whole life and career has been politics and his other successes will soften the blow a lot. I imagine it was worse for Gordon Brown (and I’m no fan), it’s clearly driven Liz mad. All ex PMs deal with their failures differently and most seem to be ok - Blair went after the money to ease the pain, Cameron went after the money to ease the pain, May stayed solid and dull but contributed where she felt comfortable, Boris (guess what) went after the money to ease the pain. Rishi will be annoyed and wonder if he could have done things differently but he’s young and has many adventures and opportunities ahead but he was PM of the UK, not a bad result to tick off.
Just catching up with the defection of Mark Logan. I hope he’s already cleared out his office as I suspect his former colleagues will probably want to lynch him if they bump into him.
I suspect that this campaign is going to age Rishi by about 25 years. He might not be the most capable politician but he doesn’t exactly deserve this.
I don’t think it will affect him too much - it’s not his one thing in life, it’s not the whole summation of his success or failure. When this goes tits up he’s still been Chancellor of the Exchequer, PM by mid forties, made millions in a career he was obviously successful at, married a billionairess, an amazing educational experience in different places and seems to have a happy marriage and lovely children. He has an incredible life ahead of him, more so than 99.999999999999999% of the world’s population and I think his tiggerish persona and desire to achieve will put it all in perspective.
If he was a politician whose existence had been Uni, Spad, MP, shadow Cabinet, government and then it fell apart on their watch and was all they knew then bitterness would follow but I think Rishi will be ok.
Just because he has other things in life doesn’t mean he’s not invested in this. He’s also human and this must be a nightmare. I know he signed up for it but nobody expects the hurricane of shite Rishi has to deal with.
I’m sure he’s super invested in it but I’m sure he realised what a clusterfuck he was inheriting and the challenge ahead. It will be frustrating but as I said, it’s not as if his whole life and career has been politics and his other successes will soften the blow a lot. I imagine it was worse for Gordon Brown (and I’m no fan), it’s clearly driven Liz mad. All ex PMs deal with their failures differently and most seem to be ok - Blair went after the money to ease the pain, Cameron went after the money to ease the pain, May stayed solid and dull but contributed where she felt comfortable, Boris (guess what) went after the money to ease the pain. Rishi will be annoyed and wonder if he could have done things differently but he’s young and has many adventures and opportunities ahead but he was PM of the UK, not a bad result to tick off.
And unless Starmer astonishes us all, he can wait a few years and then quietly point out what a horlicks his replacement made of the job.
Question. If you were on a Trump jury that found him guilty, and he subsequently became POTUS again, would you feel more or less 100% sure that Trump would not find a way (like as if he had Putin's powers and wishes) of getting back at you?
Everyone knows I’d have been much happier with Angela Rayner as leader . I want rid of the Tories and will be tactically voting Lib Dem in Eastbourne but really this feels nothing like 1997 .
Maybe I’m just a bit too old and bitter and cynical now but it’s all so underwhelming .
I'm not so underwhelmed. July 5th will be a great day because we’ll have a Labour government after all these years of the Conservatives. Yes, the policies, and we’ll see what they are in due course, once the election is over, however it’s mainly about the overall ambience of things when you have Labour in office rather than the Tories. It’s a 24/7 source of quiet contentment, a pleasant background hum, always there, bringing comfort on a bad day, a little extra spice to a good one. It isn’t something you think about often, that Labour’s in power, but this is the point, you don’t need to always be thinking about it because you kind of know that all is ok and in order. If a Tory government is like having a stone in your shoe, which it is, a Labour government is like wearing a well-cut pair of trousers. So this is what I can (figuratively) look forward to now. Several years, perhaps a decade or more, of walking around in a well-cut pair of trousers. If that's not a I don't know what is.
ROFL.
what madness, Youre getting rid of an old banger ( deservedly ) but have absolutely no idea of what is going to replace it. For an accountant the whole concept of due diligence seems to have passed you by.
What would you like to replace said banger?
A conservative government with actual conservative policies.
That's not on offer either.
I don't know. The Labour Party looks like a rather conservative party to me. You might be surprised.
It's not. It's big government, interfere in people's lives, spend money we havent got. Tories are the same.
Does anyone in the advanced western world have a coherent manifesto, covering all the essential ground, for a small government, non interfering, liberty loving, budget balancing, low spending way of running a large and complex country?
I don't think you want the EFF manifesto on your shortlist.
Just catching up with the defection of Mark Logan. I hope he’s already cleared out his office as I suspect his former colleagues will probably want to lynch him if they bump into him.
I suspect that this campaign is going to age Rishi by about 25 years. He might not be the most capable politician but he doesn’t exactly deserve this.
I don’t think it will affect him too much - it’s not his one thing in life, it’s not the whole summation of his success or failure. When this goes tits up he’s still been Chancellor of the Exchequer, PM by mid forties, made millions in a career he was obviously successful at, married a billionairess, an amazing educational experience in different places and seems to have a happy marriage and lovely children. He has an incredible life ahead of him, more so than 99.999999999999999% of the world’s population and I think his tiggerish persona and desire to achieve will put it all in perspective.
If he was a politician whose existence had been Uni, Spad, MP, shadow Cabinet, government and then it fell apart on their watch and was all they knew then bitterness would follow but I think Rishi will be ok.
Nothing that boot polish on the balls and toothpaste up the arse at boarding school after a spot of WinCoFo doesn't equip a man to be able to face in later life.
Back in the real world, this twat strikes me as somebody who couldn't manage to have a conversation at a bus stop, if he even understands how bus stops work.
Just catching up with the defection of Mark Logan. I hope he’s already cleared out his office as I suspect his former colleagues will probably want to lynch him if they bump into him.
I suspect that this campaign is going to age Rishi by about 25 years. He might not be the most capable politician but he doesn’t exactly deserve this.
I don’t think it will affect him too much - it’s not his one thing in life, it’s not the whole summation of his success or failure. When this goes tits up he’s still been Chancellor of the Exchequer, PM by mid forties, made millions in a career he was obviously successful at, married a billionairess, an amazing educational experience in different places and seems to have a happy marriage and lovely children. He has an incredible life ahead of him, more so than 99.999999999999999% of the world’s population and I think his tiggerish persona and desire to achieve will put it all in perspective.
If he was a politician whose existence had been Uni, Spad, MP, shadow Cabinet, government and then it fell apart on their watch and was all they knew then bitterness would follow but I think Rishi will be ok.
Point of order: 99.999999999999999% of the world’s population leaves less than one person. You are literally saying he is the person on the planet with the greatest life ahead of him. And I think that is incorrect.
You do know the "p" in "pb" stands for "pedant", right?
South Africa 2024 General Election with 29.5% reporting = 3,578,070 counted
African National Congress 1,519,417 42.5% Democratic Alliance 897,332 25.1% Economic Freedom Fighters 320,888 9.0% uMkhonto weSizwe 309,037 8.6% Patriotic Alliance 135,134 3.8% Inkatha Freedom Party 78,751 2.0% Freedom Front Plus 65,575 1.8% 45 other parties combined 251,936 7.0%
Coming to a General Election near you soon, Liz Truss’ “Economic Freedom Fighters”.
Although I like the party for people who are so drunk they can’t speak “uMkhonto weSizwe”. After the combined student and drunken gammon vote I guess.
Except EFF are borderline Marxists
EFF are Fanonists. They correctly identify the problem with (white minority capitalism) and solution to (no white minority capitalism) to South Africa's problems.
Rishi will be annoyed and wonder if he could have done things differently but he’s young and has many adventures and opportunities ahead but he was PM of the UK, not a bad result to tick off.
Richi applied for the gig, and was beaten by a woman who lost to a lettuce.
Back in the real world, this twat strikes me as somebody who couldn't manage to have a conversation at a bus stop, if he even understands how bus stops work.
There is an entire meme based on a single picture of him talking to a woman on a bus
Last fall, the State Dept polled Mexicans on how willing they’d be to migrate irregularly to the US in the next 6 months. Nearly 40% said they’d be ‘somewhat’ or ‘very’ willing. That was up from 9% in early 2022... https://x.com/marybsheridan/status/1795544200726933747
Question. If you were on a Trump jury that found him guilty, and he subsequently became POTUS again, would you feel more or less 100% sure that Trump would not find a way (like as if he had Putin's powers and wishes) of getting back at you?
He'll have way more important vendette to pursue than some scrandy from a jury. Prosecuting and/or indicting the Biden Crime Family for a start.
Everyone knows I’d have been much happier with Angela Rayner as leader . I want rid of the Tories and will be tactically voting Lib Dem in Eastbourne but really this feels nothing like 1997 .
Maybe I’m just a bit too old and bitter and cynical now but it’s all so underwhelming .
I'm not so underwhelmed. July 5th will be a great day because we’ll have a Labour government after all these years of the Conservatives. Yes, the policies, and we’ll see what they are in due course, once the election is over, however it’s mainly about the overall ambience of things when you have Labour in office rather than the Tories. It’s a 24/7 source of quiet contentment, a pleasant background hum, always there, bringing comfort on a bad day, a little extra spice to a good one. It isn’t something you think about often, that Labour’s in power, but this is the point, you don’t need to always be thinking about it because you kind of know that all is ok and in order. If a Tory government is like having a stone in your shoe, which it is, a Labour government is like wearing a well-cut pair of trousers. So this is what I can (figuratively) look forward to now. Several years, perhaps a decade or more, of walking around in a well-cut pair of trousers. If that's not a I don't know what is.
When it comes down to it, you're just a football-team supporter of Labour.
Just catching up with the defection of Mark Logan. I hope he’s already cleared out his office as I suspect his former colleagues will probably want to lynch him if they bump into him.
I suspect that this campaign is going to age Rishi by about 25 years. He might not be the most capable politician but he doesn’t exactly deserve this.
I don’t think it will affect him too much - it’s not his one thing in life, it’s not the whole summation of his success or failure. When this goes tits up he’s still been Chancellor of the Exchequer, PM by mid forties, made millions in a career he was obviously successful at, married a billionairess, an amazing educational experience in different places and seems to have a happy marriage and lovely children. He has an incredible life ahead of him, more so than 99.999999999999999% of the world’s population and I think his tiggerish persona and desire to achieve will put it all in perspective.
If he was a politician whose existence had been Uni, Spad, MP, shadow Cabinet, government and then it fell apart on their watch and was all they knew then bitterness would follow but I think Rishi will be ok.
Point of order: 99.999999999999999% of the world’s population leaves less than one person. You are literally saying he is the person on the planet with the greatest life ahead of him. And I think that is incorrect.
You do know the "p" in "pb" stands for "pedant", right?
I chose that number precisely. Because there is someone who is a sperm at the moment who has a better future but otherwise Rishi has it sorted. I just and appreciate your pedantry and regret my maths.
There is a thread of bitterness running through the Conservative contributors to PB.
Cheer up comrades; in just over a month's time you can start to enjoy yourselves slagging off the government.
Yeah, but will there be a Conservative Party left?
Meh, I’m sorta over the Tories. They’ve had a good run, they went batshit and awful at the end. If they come to their senses maybe they can offer me a political home again, if not maybe I can stick with Labour depending on how SKS gets on or maybe there’ll be a new right wing outfit to get behind. It’s quite an exciting time for our politics really.
Just catching up with the defection of Mark Logan. I hope he’s already cleared out his office as I suspect his former colleagues will probably want to lynch him if they bump into him.
I suspect that this campaign is going to age Rishi by about 25 years. He might not be the most capable politician but he doesn’t exactly deserve this.
I don’t think it will affect him too much - it’s not his one thing in life, it’s not the whole summation of his success or failure. When this goes tits up he’s still been Chancellor of the Exchequer, PM by mid forties, made millions in a career he was obviously successful at, married a billionairess, an amazing educational experience in different places and seems to have a happy marriage and lovely children. He has an incredible life ahead of him, more so than 99.999999999999999% of the world’s population and I think his tiggerish persona and desire to achieve will put it all in perspective.
If he was a politician whose existence had been Uni, Spad, MP, shadow Cabinet, government and then it fell apart on their watch and was all they knew then bitterness would follow but I think Rishi will be ok.
Nothing that boot polish on the balls and toothpaste up the arse at boarding school after a spot of WinCoFo doesn't equip a man to be able to face in later life.
Back in the real world, this twat strikes me as somebody who couldn't manage to have a conversation at a bus stop, if he even understands how bus stops work.
South Africa 2024 General Election with 29.5% reporting = 3,578,070 counted
African National Congress 1,519,417 42.5% Democratic Alliance 897,332 25.1% Economic Freedom Fighters 320,888 9.0% uMkhonto weSizwe 309,037 8.6% Patriotic Alliance 135,134 3.8% Inkatha Freedom Party 78,751 2.0% Freedom Front Plus 65,575 1.8% 45 other parties combined 251,936 7.0%
Coming to a General Election near you soon, Liz Truss’ “Economic Freedom Fighters”.
Although I like the party for people who are so drunk they can’t speak “uMkhonto weSizwe”. After the combined student and drunken gammon vote I guess.
Except EFF are borderline Marxists
EFF are Fanonists. They correctly identify the problem with (white minority capitalism) and solution to (no white minority capitalism) to South Africa's problems.
Everyone knows I’d have been much happier with Angela Rayner as leader . I want rid of the Tories and will be tactically voting Lib Dem in Eastbourne but really this feels nothing like 1997 .
Maybe I’m just a bit too old and bitter and cynical now but it’s all so underwhelming .
I'm not so underwhelmed. July 5th will be a great day because we’ll have a Labour government after all these years of the Conservatives. Yes, the policies, and we’ll see what they are in due course, once the election is over, however it’s mainly about the overall ambience of things when you have Labour in office rather than the Tories. It’s a 24/7 source of quiet contentment, a pleasant background hum, always there, bringing comfort on a bad day, a little extra spice to a good one. It isn’t something you think about often, that Labour’s in power, but this is the point, you don’t need to always be thinking about it because you kind of know that all is ok and in order. If a Tory government is like having a stone in your shoe, which it is, a Labour government is like wearing a well-cut pair of trousers. So this is what I can (figuratively) look forward to now. Several years, perhaps a decade or more, of walking around in a well-cut pair of trousers. If that's not a I don't know what is.
You do realise there are *certain technological advancements* which make your anticipated contentment completely delusional?
Question. If you were on a Trump jury that found him guilty, and he subsequently became POTUS again, would you feel more or less 100% sure that Trump would not find a way (like as if he had Putin's powers and wishes) of getting back at you?
He'll have way more important vendette to pursue than some scrandy from a jury. Prosecuting and/or indicting the Biden Crime Family for a start.
That’s not going to prevent his pursuing anyone who’s ever slighted him.
Do we have any local Ashfield intelligence? Is it a four-way marginal, a three-way marginal or is Labour going to get a decent majority with 35% of the vote?
Who do people favour for this year's hit and giggle?
On paper, Surrey should be favourites, but it's not often the favourites win this one.
Essex will miss Lawrence but Pepper has been getting some game time, but none of the odds are that tempting at this stage at 7s for the 4 favourites. Any county could get lucky / unlucky with the weather, worth waiting until they've qualified.
Rishi will be annoyed and wonder if he could have done things differently but he’s young and has many adventures and opportunities ahead but he was PM of the UK, not a bad result to tick off.
Richi applied for the gig, and was beaten by a woman who lost to a lettuce.
He was then given the gig as a consolation prize.
That will not be his fondest memory.
Hopefully, for Rishi, he can aspire to reposting tweets on PB and know he’s made it. Until then he will always have the spectre of not having been as successful as Scott_xP hovering over him.
Do we have any local Ashfield intelligence? Is it a four-way marginal, a three-way marginal or is Labour going to get a decent majority with 35% of the vote?
If you're looking for local Ashfield intelligence, don't bother asking their current MP.
There is a thread of bitterness running through the Conservative contributors to PB.
Cheer up comrades; in just over a month's time you can start to enjoy yourselves slagging off the government.
Yeah, but will there be a Conservative Party left?
Meh, I’m sorta over the Tories. They’ve had a good run, they went batshit and awful at the end. If they come to their senses maybe they can offer me a political home again, if not maybe I can stick with Labour depending on how SKS gets on or maybe there’ll be a new right wing outfit to get behind. It’s quite an exciting time for our politics really.
I do think it's in everyone's interests that the Tories recover some semblance of sanity so they can be a credible opposition to the government.
Generally when one party has a big majority and no opposition it makes for poor government, IMO.
As another Tory joins Starmer Labour, another leftwinger leaves it
'@vmv71241 I’ve been a member of the Labour Party for 17 years. Today, I’ve cancelled my membership. As yet, I don’t know who I’m going to vote for but I certainly cannot fund a racist and sexist organisation.'
There is a thread of bitterness running through the Conservative contributors to PB.
Cheer up comrades; in just over a month's time you can start to enjoy yourselves slagging off the government.
Yeah, but will there be a Conservative Party left?
Meh, I’m sorta over the Tories. They’ve had a good run, they went batshit and awful at the end. If they come to their senses maybe they can offer me a political home again, if not maybe I can stick with Labour depending on how SKS gets on or maybe there’ll be a new right wing outfit to get behind. It’s quite an exciting time for our politics really.
I do think it's in everyone's interests that the Tories recover some semblance of sanity so they can be a credible opposition to the government.
Generally when one party has a big majority and no opposition it makes for poor government, IMO.
Not always, 1997-2001 or 1983-1987 were pretty strong governments with huge majorities and weak opposition
There is a thread of bitterness running through the Conservative contributors to PB.
Cheer up comrades; in just over a month's time you can start to enjoy yourselves slagging off the government.
Yeah, but will there be a Conservative Party left?
Meh, I’m sorta over the Tories. They’ve had a good run, they went batshit and awful at the end. If they come to their senses maybe they can offer me a political home again, if not maybe I can stick with Labour depending on how SKS gets on or maybe there’ll be a new right wing outfit to get behind. It’s quite an exciting time for our politics really.
I do think it's in everyone's interests that the Tories recover some semblance of sanity so they can be a credible opposition to the government.
Generally when one party has a big majority and no opposition it makes for poor government, IMO.
Not always, 1997-2001 or 1983-1987 were pretty strong governments with huge majorities and weak opposition
Agree about 83-87 but 97-01 saw Blair very quickly losing touch with reality and becoming over-confident and arrogant.
All the warning signs for what Blair and new Labour were morphing into were there by the end of that first Parliament, which is why I sat out the 2001 election (the only general election where I didn't vote) as the Tories were a shambles but Blair was clearly becoming an egomaniac and getting out of control.
There is a thread of bitterness running through the Conservative contributors to PB.
Cheer up comrades; in just over a month's time you can start to enjoy yourselves slagging off the government.
Yeah, but will there be a Conservative Party left?
Meh, I’m sorta over the Tories. They’ve had a good run, they went batshit and awful at the end. If they come to their senses maybe they can offer me a political home again, if not maybe I can stick with Labour depending on how SKS gets on or maybe there’ll be a new right wing outfit to get behind. It’s quite an exciting time for our politics really.
I do think it's in everyone's interests that the Tories recover some semblance of sanity so they can be a credible opposition to the government.
Generally when one party has a big majority and no opposition it makes for poor government, IMO.
Do we have any local Ashfield intelligence? Is it a four-way marginal, a three-way marginal or is Labour going to get a decent majority with 35% of the vote?
South Africa 2024 General Election with 29.5% reporting = 3,578,070 counted
African National Congress 1,519,417 42.5% Democratic Alliance 897,332 25.1% Economic Freedom Fighters 320,888 9.0% uMkhonto weSizwe 309,037 8.6% Patriotic Alliance 135,134 3.8% Inkatha Freedom Party 78,751 2.0% Freedom Front Plus 65,575 1.8% 45 other parties combined 251,936 7.0%
Coming to a General Election near you soon, Liz Truss’ “Economic Freedom Fighters”.
Although I like the party for people who are so drunk they can’t speak “uMkhonto weSizwe”. After the combined student and drunken gammon vote I guess.
Except EFF are borderline Marxists
EFF are Fanonists. They correctly identify the problem with (white minority capitalism) and solution to (no white minority capitalism) to South Africa's problems.
There is a thread of bitterness running through the Conservative contributors to PB.
Cheer up comrades; in just over a month's time you can start to enjoy yourselves slagging off the government.
Yeah, but will there be a Conservative Party left?
Meh, I’m sorta over the Tories. They’ve had a good run, they went batshit and awful at the end. If they come to their senses maybe they can offer me a political home again, if not maybe I can stick with Labour depending on how SKS gets on or maybe there’ll be a new right wing outfit to get behind. It’s quite an exciting time for our politics really.
I do think it's in everyone's interests that the Tories recover some semblance of sanity so they can be a credible opposition to the government.
Generally when one party has a big majority and no opposition it makes for poor government, IMO.
Not always, 1997-2001 or 1983-1987 were pretty strong governments with huge majorities and weak opposition
Agree about 83-87 but 97-01 saw Blair very quickly losing touch with reality and becoming over-confident and arrogant.
All the warning signs for what Blair and new Labour were morphing into were there by the end of that first Parliament, which is why I sat out the 2001 election (the only general election where I didn't vote) as the Tories were a shambles but Blair was clearly becoming an egomaniac and getting out of control.
There is a thread of bitterness running through the Conservative contributors to PB.
Cheer up comrades; in just over a month's time you can start to enjoy yourselves slagging off the government.
Yeah, but will there be a Conservative Party left?
Meh, I’m sorta over the Tories. They’ve had a good run, they went batshit and awful at the end. If they come to their senses maybe they can offer me a political home again, if not maybe I can stick with Labour depending on how SKS gets on or maybe there’ll be a new right wing outfit to get behind. It’s quite an exciting time for our politics really.
I do think it's in everyone's interests that the Tories recover some semblance of sanity so they can be a credible opposition to the government.
Generally when one party has a big majority and no opposition it makes for poor government, IMO.
There is a thread of bitterness running through the Conservative contributors to PB.
Cheer up comrades; in just over a month's time you can start to enjoy yourselves slagging off the government.
Yeah, but will there be a Conservative Party left?
Meh, I’m sorta over the Tories. They’ve had a good run, they went batshit and awful at the end. If they come to their senses maybe they can offer me a political home again, if not maybe I can stick with Labour depending on how SKS gets on or maybe there’ll be a new right wing outfit to get behind. It’s quite an exciting time for our politics really.
I do think it's in everyone's interests that the Tories recover some semblance of sanity so they can be a credible opposition to the government.
Generally when one party has a big majority and no opposition it makes for poor government, IMO.
Not always, 1997-2001 or 1983-1987 were pretty strong governments with huge majorities and weak opposition
Agree about 83-87 but 97-01 saw Blair very quickly losing touch with reality and becoming over-confident and arrogant.
All the warning signs for what Blair and new Labour were morphing into were there by the end of that first Parliament, which is why I sat out the 2001 election (the only general election where I didn't vote) as the Tories were a shambles but Blair was clearly becoming an egomaniac and getting out of control.
Will Scott finally stop his 8 year sulk and let go his bitterness once Election 24 is over? 🙏
He’s too busy being a high achiever to waste time letting go of his bitterness. That’s time he could have spent in the corridors of power, making a difference, being successful. Better off reposting tweets.
There is a thread of bitterness running through the Conservative contributors to PB.
Cheer up comrades; in just over a month's time you can start to enjoy yourselves slagging off the government.
Yeah, but will there be a Conservative Party left?
Meh, I’m sorta over the Tories. They’ve had a good run, they went batshit and awful at the end. If they come to their senses maybe they can offer me a political home again, if not maybe I can stick with Labour depending on how SKS gets on or maybe there’ll be a new right wing outfit to get behind. It’s quite an exciting time for our politics really.
I do think it's in everyone's interests that the Tories recover some semblance of sanity so they can be a credible opposition to the government.
Generally when one party has a big majority and no opposition it makes for poor government, IMO.
Not always, 1997-2001 or 1983-1987 were pretty strong governments with huge majorities and weak opposition
Agree about 83-87 but 97-01 saw Blair very quickly losing touch with reality and becoming over-confident and arrogant.
All the warning signs for what Blair and new Labour were morphing into were there by the end of that first Parliament, which is why I sat out the 2001 election (the only general election where I didn't vote) as the Tories were a shambles but Blair was clearly becoming an egomaniac and getting out of control.
But you voted for Thatcher in 87?
No, I'm not that old lol! 😂
My first election was 1997, when I voted Labour.
Thatcher was also losing touch with reality after ‘87.
Will Scott finally stop his 8 year sulk and let go his bitterness once Election 24 is over? 🙏
He’s too busy being a high achiever to waste time letting go of his bitterness. That’s time he could have spent in the corridors of power, making a difference, being successful. Better off reposting tweets.
OTOH, he’ll have the satisfaction of being first to post the news about Starmer reapplying for EU membership…
@GIN1138 - Were the Tories thinking what you were thinking in 2005?
They were starting to get there under Michael Howard, who I always quite liked... but no. I actually voted Lib-Dem in 2005 as I liked Charlie and thought they should be rewarded for their principled (and correct) stance over Iraq.
My voting record is:
1997 - Lab
2001 - Didn't Vote
2005 - Lib
2010 - Con
2015 - Con
2017 - Con (but only because Labour was being led by Jezza. Theresa was H.O.R.R.I.B.L.E. in that campaign)
I find that accusations of racism or homophobia from the Labour left to be so utterly implausible so as to make me want to ignore their claims of unfair treatment entirely.
It's obvious the removal of left wing candidates is because they are left wing and Starmer wants to remove future internal headaches within the party before he becomes PM.
It's also probably the case he's misjudged on Diane Abbot who seems to be getting a fair bit of sympathy.
Will Scott finally stop his 8 year sulk and let go his bitterness once Election 24 is over? 🙏
He’s too busy being a high achiever to waste time letting go of his bitterness. That’s time he could have spent in the corridors of power, making a difference, being successful. Better off reposting tweets.
OTOH, he’ll have the satisfaction of being first to post the news about Starmer reapplying for EU membership…
No chance of that. Starmer isn't going to give away any power once he's acquired it.
Expect to see him ruthlessly purge the British state of any deviationist factions.
Will Scott finally stop his 8 year sulk and let go his bitterness once Election 24 is over? 🙏
He’s too busy being a high achiever to waste time letting go of his bitterness. That’s time he could have spent in the corridors of power, making a difference, being successful. Better off reposting tweets.
OTOH, he’ll have the satisfaction of being first to post the news about Starmer reapplying for EU membership…
He will even fail at that. Someone who actually does something will hear it before him and post it here.
It’s been the best possible opening for brilliant people like Scott to stand to be an MP and make a difference, stun us with his ideas, lead the country to a brighter future. Or just shitpost on PB.
I'm not sure Starmer will be too worried by the far-left publicly railing against him (again).
Confirms the old mantra there is only one thing worse for the left than a Labour leader who loses a general election (at least their heart was in the right place), namely a Labour leader who can win a general election
I find that accusations of racism or homophobia from the Labour left to be so utterly implausible so as to make me want to ignore their claims of unfair treatment entirely.
It's obvious the removal of left wing candidates is because they are left wing and Starmer wants to remove future internal headaches within the party before he becomes PM.
It's also probably the case he's misjudged on Diane Abbot who seems to be getting a fair bit of sympathy.
But calling it racism is just puerile.
It's also extremely rich given the far left's record on racism, both on antisemitism and how they treat those - either from the Labour centre or Tory - who fail to sing their tunes. Remember Faiza Shaheen and Ash Sarkar joking around saying Sajid Javid obviously didn't like spicy food. Or Emma Dent Coad calling Shaun Bailey a "token ghetto boy".
Now I'm not a fan of either of them, but it's revealing of the speaker's attitude how they choose to talk about those who have their own views different to the approved ones.
Everyone knows I’d have been much happier with Angela Rayner as leader . I want rid of the Tories and will be tactically voting Lib Dem in Eastbourne but really this feels nothing like 1997 .
Maybe I’m just a bit too old and bitter and cynical now but it’s all so underwhelming .
I'm not so underwhelmed. July 5th will be a great day because we’ll have a Labour government after all these years of the Conservatives. Yes, the policies, and we’ll see what they are in due course, once the election is over, however it’s mainly about the overall ambience of things when you have Labour in office rather than the Tories. It’s a 24/7 source of quiet contentment, a pleasant background hum, always there, bringing comfort on a bad day, a little extra spice to a good one. It isn’t something you think about often, that Labour’s in power, but this is the point, you don’t need to always be thinking about it because you kind of know that all is ok and in order. If a Tory government is like having a stone in your shoe, which it is, a Labour government is like wearing a well-cut pair of trousers. So this is what I can (figuratively) look forward to now. Several years, perhaps a decade or more, of walking around in a well-cut pair of trousers. If that's not a I don't know what is.
When it comes down to it, you're just a football-team supporter of Labour.
...says Conservative FC ultra, Casino Royale
Yeah, but I don't talk about a Conservative victory like a permanent 10-year orgasm.
Nor did I big-up Corbyn with some pseudo-intellectual mumbo-jumbo and then pretend SKS was just as frickin' good when it didn't work out.
Will Scott finally stop his 8 year sulk and let go his bitterness once Election 24 is over? 🙏
He’s too busy being a high achiever to waste time letting go of his bitterness. That’s time he could have spent in the corridors of power, making a difference, being successful. Better off reposting tweets.
OTOH, he’ll have the satisfaction of being first to post the news about Starmer reapplying for EU membership…
He will even fail at that. Someone who actually does something will hear it before him and post it here.
It’s been the best possible opening for brilliant people like Scott to stand to be an MP and make a difference, stun us with his ideas, lead the country to a brighter future. Or just shitpost on PB.
Breaking: Starmer has just applied for UK to re-join the EU!
@GIN1138 - Were the Tories thinking what you were thinking in 2005?
They were starting to get there... but no. I actually voted Lib-Dem in 2005 as I liked Charlie and thought they should be rewarded over their principled stance over Iraq.
My voting record is:
1997 - Lab
2001 - Didn't Vote
2005 - Lib
2010 - Con
2015 - Con
2017 - Con (but only because Labour was being led by Jezza. Theresa was H.O.R.R.I.B.L.E. in that campaign)
2019 - Con
And now 2024.... LAB
My constituencies voted in are - Southampton Test, South Norfolk, Witham, South Norfolk, Mid Norfolk, Broadland, Norwich South (x3 incl this one)
Everyone knows I’d have been much happier with Angela Rayner as leader . I want rid of the Tories and will be tactically voting Lib Dem in Eastbourne but really this feels nothing like 1997 .
Maybe I’m just a bit too old and bitter and cynical now but it’s all so underwhelming .
I'm not so underwhelmed. July 5th will be a great day because we’ll have a Labour government after all these years of the Conservatives. Yes, the policies, and we’ll see what they are in due course, once the election is over, however it’s mainly about the overall ambience of things when you have Labour in office rather than the Tories. It’s a 24/7 source of quiet contentment, a pleasant background hum, always there, bringing comfort on a bad day, a little extra spice to a good one. It isn’t something you think about often, that Labour’s in power, but this is the point, you don’t need to always be thinking about it because you kind of know that all is ok and in order. If a Tory government is like having a stone in your shoe, which it is, a Labour government is like wearing a well-cut pair of trousers. So this is what I can (figuratively) look forward to now. Several years, perhaps a decade or more, of walking around in a well-cut pair of trousers. If that's not a I don't know what is.
When it comes down to it, you're just a football-team supporter of Labour.
...says Conservative FC ultra, Casino Royale
Yeah, but I don't talk about a Conservative victory like a permanent 10-year orgasm.
Nor did I big-up Corbyn with some pseudo-intellectual mumbo-jumbo and then pretend SKS was just as frickin' good when it didn't work out.
@GIN1138 - Were the Tories thinking what you were thinking in 2005?
They were starting to get there... but no. I actually voted Lib-Dem in 2005 as I liked Charlie and thought they should be rewarded over their principled stance over Iraq.
My voting record is:
1997 - Lab
2001 - Didn't Vote
2005 - Lib
2010 - Con
2015 - Con
2017 - Con (but only because Labour was being led by Jezza. Theresa was H.O.R.R.I.B.L.E. in that campaign)
2019 - Con
And now 2024.... LAB
My constituencies voted in are - Southampton Test, South Norfolk, Witham, South Norfolk, Mid Norfolk, Broadland, Norwich South (x3 incl this one)
I have voted in every GE since 1979 and only once voted for the person who won the seat (in 2005). Basically, if you want to be MP you're better off without my vote.
Everyone knows I’d have been much happier with Angela Rayner as leader . I want rid of the Tories and will be tactically voting Lib Dem in Eastbourne but really this feels nothing like 1997 .
Maybe I’m just a bit too old and bitter and cynical now but it’s all so underwhelming .
I'm not so underwhelmed. July 5th will be a great day because we’ll have a Labour government after all these years of the Conservatives. Yes, the policies, and we’ll see what they are in due course, once the election is over, however it’s mainly about the overall ambience of things when you have Labour in office rather than the Tories. It’s a 24/7 source of quiet contentment, a pleasant background hum, always there, bringing comfort on a bad day, a little extra spice to a good one. It isn’t something you think about often, that Labour’s in power, but this is the point, you don’t need to always be thinking about it because you kind of know that all is ok and in order. If a Tory government is like having a stone in your shoe, which it is, a Labour government is like wearing a well-cut pair of trousers. So this is what I can (figuratively) look forward to now. Several years, perhaps a decade or more, of walking around in a well-cut pair of trousers. If that's not a I don't know what is.
When it comes down to it, you're just a football-team supporter of Labour.
...says Conservative FC ultra, Casino Royale
Yeah, but I don't talk about a Conservative victory like a permanent 10-year orgasm.
Nor did I big-up Corbyn with some pseudo-intellectual mumbo-jumbo and then pretend SKS was just as frickin' good when it didn't work out.
Comments
Their manifesto is quite some read.
https://effonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/A5-EFF-2024-Manifesto-full-version.pdf
Anyway pub night so off to canvass the views of the village collective. Have a good evening.
… I doubt even the voters of Bolton NE give a shit about it.
… Yuk. Traitorous pig-dog.
Back in the real world, this twat strikes me as somebody who couldn't manage to have a conversation at a bus stop, if he even understands how bus stops work.
You do know the "p" in "pb" stands for "pedant", right?
He was then given the gig as a consolation prize.
That will not be his fondest memory.
https://x.com/marybsheridan/status/1795544200726933747
In five weeks time, voting will be brisk.
Few manifestos survive the impact of reality when in government.
https://x.com/biscuit_ersed/status/1796227200305205258
The oldies are the goodies.
STORY
Rishi Sunak caught taking private helicopter flight home hours after gushing about train travel
https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/1796227395650744553
@DPMcBride
The little stool for getting on and off is very sweet.
https://x.com/DPMcBride/status/1796231370454516182
: “You’ve been benched at bit, but you’re back.”
@AngelaRayner
: “I’m back and I’m powering up the battle bus.”
“An Angie Rayner battle bus is about to be unleashed?”
“I have got an Angie Rayner battle bus. Yes. You’re gonna love it. It’s got a fridge.”
- A key Starmer ally spent his adult life craving a parliamentary seat in Brighton
- He knew he would never win support from local members
- On the eve of the election, a Brighton MP suddenly has a complaint made against him, allowing Ward to take his seat.
https://x.com/owenjones84/status/1796187238000128272
https://x.com/BrookesTimes/status/1796088285057389009
Generally when one party has a big majority and no opposition it makes for poor government, IMO.
'@vmv71241
I’ve been a member of the Labour Party for 17 years. Today, I’ve cancelled my membership. As yet, I don’t know who I’m going to vote for but I certainly cannot fund a racist and sexist organisation.'
https://x.com/vmv71241/status/1796086141147341166
https://x.com/oldroberts953/status/1795883200742314416?s=46
All the warning signs for what Blair and new Labour were morphing into were there by the end of that first Parliament, which is why I sat out the 2001 election (the only general election where I didn't vote) as the Tories were a shambles but Blair was clearly becoming an egomaniac and getting out of control.
PS the first sentences is patently bullshit - why would anyone crave a parliamentary seat in one city and one city only?
So nobody of any consequence.
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The message from Keir Starmer couldn't be clearer:
If you're left-wing, if you're a woman of colour, if you speak your own mind -
Then you're not welcome. Disgusting.
https://x.com/PeoplesMomentum/status/1795946387907006815
My first election was 1997, when I voted Labour.
Change UK ring any bells? The 2019 multi Party multi flounce?
My voting record is:
1997 - Lab
2001 - Didn't Vote
2005 - Lib
2010 - Con
2015 - Con
2017 - Con (but only because Labour was being led by Jezza. Theresa was H.O.R.R.I.B.L.E. in that campaign)
2019 - Con
And now 2024.... LAB
It's obvious the removal of left wing candidates is because they are left wing and Starmer wants to remove future internal headaches within the party before he becomes PM.
It's also probably the case he's misjudged on Diane Abbot who seems to be getting a fair bit of sympathy.
But calling it racism is just puerile.
Expect to see him ruthlessly purge the British state of any deviationist factions.
It’s been the best possible opening for brilliant people like Scott to stand to be an MP and make a difference, stun us with his ideas, lead the country to a brighter future. Or just shitpost on PB.
Now I'm not a fan of either of them, but it's revealing of the speaker's attitude how they choose to talk about those who have their own views different to the approved ones.
Nor did I big-up Corbyn with some pseudo-intellectual mumbo-jumbo and then pretend SKS was just as frickin' good when it didn't work out.
[Thought I'd get in first, for the record.]