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There’s a fair bit of speculation at the moment about Farage becoming Tory leader. The only problem with this is that he would first have to become an MP and that means winning a seat at a general election or by-election.

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  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,629
    First, not like Farage in the next Tory leadership election
  • ClippPClippP Posts: 1,983
    No way will Farage become Tory leader.

    If Rees-Mogg thinks they have similar views, perhaps RM should do the right thing and leave the Tories in favour of UKIP.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,629
    FPT:
    Sandpit said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Deepfake audio of Sadiq Khan backing pro-Palestine protest on Armistice Day 'not a criminal offence', Met says
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/sadiq-khan-deepfake-audio-not-crime-met-police/

    Legislation urgently needed.

    ETA the risk is going all DDA and inadvertently banning Spitting Image.

    Should it be a criminal offence, to knowingly pass off a fake recording of a public figure as genuine?

    Really interesting policy question.
    Good question. Yes is my answer, impressionists could cover themselves by a little acknowledgement on the video or audio. With Spitting Image, of course, no reasonable person is going to think that is real.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,760
    I think he'd have a good chance with Tory members. But I think finding him a seat in Parliament would be tricky, so it's probably a no.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,224
    Been thinking about this. What if Suella unveils Nigel as her surprise running mate when she launches her leadership campaign? That would be an absolute sensation and would go down a storm with the membership.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,629
    rkrkrk said:

    I think he'd have a good chance with Tory members. But I think finding him a seat in Parliament would be tricky, so it's probably a no.

    Also, how would he get in the top two for Tory MPs?

    Not. Happening.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,977
    Only if they don’t think Suella a sufficiently suicidal choice.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,240
    QTWTAIN.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,760
    Benpointer said:

    rkrkrk said:

    I think he'd have a good chance with Tory members. But I think finding him a seat in Parliament would be tricky, so it's probably a no.

    Also, how would he get in the top two for Tory MPs?

    Not. Happening.
    People said that about Boris too.
    Plus the Tory MPs left after the next election will probably be a more right wing bunch.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,359
    Benpointer said:

    FPT:

    Sandpit said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Deepfake audio of Sadiq Khan backing pro-Palestine protest on Armistice Day 'not a criminal offence', Met says
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/sadiq-khan-deepfake-audio-not-crime-met-police/

    Legislation urgently needed.

    ETA the risk is going all DDA and inadvertently banning Spitting Image.

    Should it be a criminal offence, to knowingly pass off a fake recording of a public figure as genuine?

    Really interesting policy question.
    Good question. Yes is my answer, impressionists could cover themselves by a little acknowledgement on the video or audio. With Spitting Image, of course, no reasonable person is going to think that is real.
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Been thinking about this. What if Suella unveils Nigel as her surprise running mate when she launches her leadership campaign? That would be an absolute sensation and would go down a storm with the membership.

    There are no "running mates".
    Secondly. Even if there were, one who isn't a member of the Tory Party probably wouldn't be allowed.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,224
    Benpointer said:

    rkrkrk said:

    I think he'd have a good chance with Tory members. But I think finding him a seat in Parliament would be tricky, so it's probably a no.

    Also, how would he get in the top two for Tory MPs?

    Not. Happening.
    Why would the MPs necessarily object? Rees-Mogg, for example, stated a few years ago that UKIP were members of the wider conservative family and the Tories should grasp them to their bosom.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,683
    Phil said:

    Disruption at the Cenotaph:

    https://news.sky.com/story/fighting-reported-as-people-shouting-england-til-i-die-try-to-reach-cenotaph-13005216

    What a surprise: it’s the fascist shitheads stirred up by Braverman et al turning up for a ruck & when they don’t get to make one, turning on the police instead.

    "Vote Conservative"
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,179
    Nigel Farage is generally a 10 or 12/1 shot to win IACGMOOH. There might be worse bets if you think the man is popular with the hoi polloi. Wealth warning: I've never actually watched the programme.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,440
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Benpointer said:

    rkrkrk said:

    I think he'd have a good chance with Tory members. But I think finding him a seat in Parliament would be tricky, so it's probably a no.

    Also, how would he get in the top two for Tory MPs?

    Not. Happening.
    Why would the MPs necessarily object? Rees-Mogg, for example, stated a few years ago that UKIP were members of the wider conservative family and the Tories should grasp them to their bosom.
    Like a viper?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,240
    40% of the overs, 33% of the wickets, 26% of the runs.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,240
    That’s MILES away. Total waste of a review.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,552
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Been thinking about this. What if Suella unveils Nigel as her surprise running mate when she launches her leadership campaign? That would be an absolute sensation and would go down a storm with the membership.

    But it was Priti Patel he was dancing with at the conference. Was that false flag iyo?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,719
    kinabalu said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Been thinking about this. What if Suella unveils Nigel as her surprise running mate when she launches her leadership campaign? That would be an absolute sensation and would go down a storm with the membership.

    But it was Priti Patel he was dancing with at the conference. Was that false flag iyo?
    Maybe he can't tell them apart.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,552
    Phil said:

    Disruption at the Cenotaph:

    https://news.sky.com/story/fighting-reported-as-people-shouting-england-til-i-die-try-to-reach-cenotaph-13005216

    What a surprise: it’s the fascist shitheads stirred up by Braverman et al turning up for a ruck & when they don’t get to make one, turning on the police instead.

    Tricky one. Police playing favourites if they arrest them.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,766
    kinabalu said:

    Phil said:

    Disruption at the Cenotaph:

    https://news.sky.com/story/fighting-reported-as-people-shouting-england-til-i-die-try-to-reach-cenotaph-13005216

    What a surprise: it’s the fascist shitheads stirred up by Braverman et al turning up for a ruck & when they don’t get to make one, turning on the police instead.

    Tricky one. Police playing favourites if they arrest them.
    And if they don't.

    But bear in mind Malmesbury's dictum about the polis saving arrests for later.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,943
    women beat womanbeaters ?

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/11/11/gazans-turn-on-hamas-as-food-shortage-fuel-fears-starvation/
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,224
    kinabalu said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Been thinking about this. What if Suella unveils Nigel as her surprise running mate when she launches her leadership campaign? That would be an absolute sensation and would go down a storm with the membership.

    But it was Priti Patel he was dancing with at the conference. Was that false flag iyo?
    I suspect Nige - the old bounder! - was driven by a different dynamic in that situation.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    Mike said "can 7 times elections failure Farage really be Con leader?"

    Yes he could, because a large lump of the "Conservative" Party is really just UKIP in disguise.

    I think he would be perfect for them. He is exactly the sort of bigmouth that spouts the crap they like to hear.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,552
    Carnyx said:

    kinabalu said:

    Phil said:

    Disruption at the Cenotaph:

    https://news.sky.com/story/fighting-reported-as-people-shouting-england-til-i-die-try-to-reach-cenotaph-13005216

    What a surprise: it’s the fascist shitheads stirred up by Braverman et al turning up for a ruck & when they don’t get to make one, turning on the police instead.

    Tricky one. Police playing favourites if they arrest them.
    And if they don't.

    But bear in mind Malmesbury's dictum about the polis saving arrests for later.
    Can we trust a Malmesbury dictum though?
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,085
    OT. No chance. Even if by some mischance he got into Westminster as a Con MP - which is exceedingly unlikely - there is very little chance that he'd get the necessary 33% +1 of the parliamentary party to get him into the final 2 and to the members' vote. He's just too unpopular and divisive with MPs and, moreover, I suspect the polling would look terrible. Unlike Truss and IDS at the time of their election (two other duds who should never have got anywhere near the leadership) Farage is only too well known and the electoral cost only too apparent.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,552
    Looks like Angeball has hit the skids then.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,701
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    kinabalu said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Been thinking about this. What if Suella unveils Nigel as her surprise running mate when she launches her leadership campaign? That would be an absolute sensation and would go down a storm with the membership.

    But it was Priti Patel he was dancing with at the conference. Was that false flag iyo?
    Maybe he can't tell them apart.
    I think my favourite political one-liner of the last year or so was Braverman being described as Priti Patel when she's been fed after midnight.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,240
    I do wonder what Norman Tebbit might think, about Moeen Ali and Adil Rashid taking apart the Pakistani batsmen. :D
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    Phil said:

    Disruption at the Cenotaph:

    https://news.sky.com/story/fighting-reported-as-people-shouting-england-til-i-die-try-to-reach-cenotaph-13005216

    What a surprise: it’s the fascist shitheads stirred up by Braverman et al turning up for a ruck & when they don’t get to make one, turning on the police instead.

    I do wonder what her hold on Sunak is? How far does she have to step over the line before he gathers the nerve to act? Will he ever do it?

    It must be a truly huge piece of dirt....
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,487
    Nigelb said:

    Only if they don’t think Suella a sufficiently suicidal choice.

    I was surprised that she was named Sue Ellen after the character in Dallas.

    Bit of an odd choice naming a daughter for an alcoholic character.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,224
    Benpointer said:

    FPT:

    Sandpit said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Deepfake audio of Sadiq Khan backing pro-Palestine protest on Armistice Day 'not a criminal offence', Met says
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/sadiq-khan-deepfake-audio-not-crime-met-police/

    Legislation urgently needed.

    ETA the risk is going all DDA and inadvertently banning Spitting Image.

    Should it be a criminal offence, to knowingly pass off a fake recording of a public figure as genuine?

    Really interesting policy question.
    Good question. Yes is my answer, impressionists could cover themselves by a little acknowledgement on the video or audio. With Spitting Image, of course, no reasonable person is going to think that is real.
    Do you really want the Met applying a “no reasonable person” test?

    “You arrested 187 people at the World Parody Festival, including the Professor of Parody at LSE. On the basis that their presentation on Parodying Parody in the style of Parody was Fake News?”

    “Ur… well… Under the 2023 H’Act….”
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,855
    edited November 2023
    Sandpit said:

    I do wonder what Norman Tebbit might think, about Moeen Ali and Adil Rashid taking apart the Pakistani batsmen. :D

    ?? I think Tebbit's argument was that Asian UK nationals should support England not that they cannot play for them - in fact playing for England is a sign they do support England so he will be pleased if anythng
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,487
    Beibheirli_C said:

    Phil said:

    Disruption at the Cenotaph:

    https://news.sky.com/story/fighting-reported-as-people-shouting-england-til-i-die-try-to-reach-cenotaph-13005216

    What a surprise: it’s the fascist shitheads stirred up by Braverman et al turning up for a ruck & when they don’t get to make one, turning on the police instead.

    I do wonder what her hold on Sunak is? How far does she have to step over the line before he gathers the nerve to act? Will he ever do it?

    It must be a truly huge piece of dirt....
    No, I think Sunak is Mr Clean personally. He just needed her endorsement to make the final two.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    Burgessian said:

    OT. No chance. Even if by some mischance he got into Westminster as a Con MP - which is exceedingly unlikely - there is very little chance that he'd get the necessary 33% +1 of the parliamentary party to get him into the final 2 and to the members' vote. He's just too unpopular and divisive with MPs and, moreover, I suspect the polling would look terrible. Unlike Truss and IDS at the time of their election (two other duds who should never have got anywhere near the leadership) Farage is only too well known and the electoral cost only too apparent.

    It depends how many sensible ones get voted out at the next election and how many nutters take their place. Remember that the MPs who make the first selection are put there by voters who feel that those MPs will align with their core beliefs.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,240
    state_go_away said:

    Sandpit said:

    I do wonder what Norman Tebbit might think, about Moeen Ali and Adil Rashid taking apart the Pakistani batsmen. :D

    ?? I think Tebbit's argument was that Asian UK nationals should support England not that they cannot play for them - in fact playing for England is a sign they do support England so he will be pleased if anythng
    Yes, I imagine he might have a big smile on his face tonight.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,224
    Beibheirli_C said:

    Mike said "can 7 times elections failure Farage really be Con leader?"

    Yes he could, because a large lump of the "Conservative" Party is really just UKIP in disguise.

    I think he would be perfect for them. He is exactly the sort of bigmouth that spouts the crap they like to hear.

    Yes, I think it's quite possible. He wants it and the membership wants it. If the Tories take an absolute hammering at the GE there will be much discussion about the Right needing to re-align for the post-Brexit 21st century. Nige will feature prominently in such a discussion.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,091
    No, IMHO.

    But if yes, the route is there.

    Farage joins party and is gifted an Essex/Kent/Lincolnshire seat that a rightish Tory can't lose.

    The Tories really do get nearly wiped out as in the worst of the current polling, but Farage is one of the less than 100 Tory MPs.

    Of the rump of Tory MPs one third + 1 are prepared to back Farage in the run offs because about a third of the MPs are insane. Maths tells you that's enough to be in the last two. (If there are 100 MPs you need 34 stalwart loyalist backers at most. That's all)

    Members vote Farage. Nicholas Soames, Ken Clarke, Heseltine, etc join Labour.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,440
    Pakistan 126-5 now. Game meandering towards its end.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,943
    algarkirk said:

    No, IMHO.

    But if yes, the route is there.

    Farage joins party and is gifted an Essex/Kent/Lincolnshire seat that a rightish Tory can't lose.

    The Tories really do get nearly wiped out as in the worst of the current polling, but Farage is one of the less than 100 Tory MPs.

    Of the rump of Tory MPs one third + 1 are prepared to back Farage in the run offs because about a third of the MPs are insane. Maths tells you that's enough to be in the last two. (If there are 100 MPs you need 34 stalwart loyalist backers at most. That's all)

    Members vote Farage. Nicholas Soames, Ken Clarke, Heseltine, etc join Labour.

    On that scale those last three will be voting from the grave
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,908
    Phil said:

    Disruption at the Cenotaph:

    https://news.sky.com/story/fighting-reported-as-people-shouting-england-til-i-die-try-to-reach-cenotaph-13005216

    What a surprise: it’s the fascist shitheads stirred up by Braverman et al turning up for a ruck & when they don’t get to make one, turning on the police instead.

    I’m here. It’s fucking nonsense
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,430
    7 times, eh?

    PONFWAS
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,224
    kinabalu said:

    Carnyx said:

    kinabalu said:

    Phil said:

    Disruption at the Cenotaph:

    https://news.sky.com/story/fighting-reported-as-people-shouting-england-til-i-die-try-to-reach-cenotaph-13005216

    What a surprise: it’s the fascist shitheads stirred up by Braverman et al turning up for a ruck & when they don’t get to make one, turning on the police instead.

    Tricky one. Police playing favourites if they arrest them.
    And if they don't.

    But bear in mind Malmesbury's dictum about the polis saving arrests for later.
    Can we trust a Malmesbury dictum though?
    It’s not a dictum. It’s just observing what the police do over decades -

    1) Fuckwits do something criminal at a demo.
    2) People outraged at no arrests on the spot.
    3) Fuckwits arrested later.

    They seem to have done this with Fascists, Islamofascists and others.

    IIRC they found that arrests in the middle of a demo were more likely to lead to release without charge because of issues with evidence. Whereas video evidence and statements plus a “clean” arrest got them slam dunks in court.

    In the case of Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets lifted for breaking one of any number of orders that had been made against him. Remember the court picketing thing?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,487
    Benpointer said:

    FPT:

    Sandpit said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Deepfake audio of Sadiq Khan backing pro-Palestine protest on Armistice Day 'not a criminal offence', Met says
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/sadiq-khan-deepfake-audio-not-crime-met-police/

    Legislation urgently needed.

    ETA the risk is going all DDA and inadvertently banning Spitting Image.

    Should it be a criminal offence, to knowingly pass off a fake recording of a public figure as genuine?

    Really interesting policy question.
    Good question. Yes is my answer, impressionists could cover themselves by a little acknowledgement on the video or audio. With Spitting Image, of course, no reasonable person is going to think that is real.
    I think satirists would be covered as clear from the context as not really the person.

    It would be reasonable to make it criminal to fake a person with the intention to deceive.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,607
    edited November 2023
    82 of the football hooligans arrested apparently, "to prevent a breach of the peace".
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,719
    Leon said:

    Phil said:

    Disruption at the Cenotaph:

    https://news.sky.com/story/fighting-reported-as-people-shouting-england-til-i-die-try-to-reach-cenotaph-13005216

    What a surprise: it’s the fascist shitheads stirred up by Braverman et al turning up for a ruck & when they don’t get to make one, turning on the police instead.

    I’m here. It’s fucking nonsense
    Must be deep fake footage of them fighting with the police then.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,487
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Leon said:

    Phil said:

    Disruption at the Cenotaph:

    https://news.sky.com/story/fighting-reported-as-people-shouting-england-til-i-die-try-to-reach-cenotaph-13005216

    What a surprise: it’s the fascist shitheads stirred up by Braverman et al turning up for a ruck & when they don’t get to make one, turning on the police instead.

    I’m here. It’s fucking nonsense
    Must be deep fake footage of them fighting with the police then.
    It was 4 hours ago at the Cenotaph, they have moved on.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,908
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Leon said:

    Phil said:

    Disruption at the Cenotaph:

    https://news.sky.com/story/fighting-reported-as-people-shouting-england-til-i-die-try-to-reach-cenotaph-13005216

    What a surprise: it’s the fascist shitheads stirred up by Braverman et al turning up for a ruck & when they don’t get to make one, turning on the police instead.

    I’m here. It’s fucking nonsense
    Must be deep fake footage of them fighting with the police then.
    There’s about 200 of them. Low life hoons

    The march is enormous and profoundly menacing
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,629
    Malmesbury said:

    Benpointer said:

    FPT:

    Sandpit said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Deepfake audio of Sadiq Khan backing pro-Palestine protest on Armistice Day 'not a criminal offence', Met says
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/sadiq-khan-deepfake-audio-not-crime-met-police/

    Legislation urgently needed.

    ETA the risk is going all DDA and inadvertently banning Spitting Image.

    Should it be a criminal offence, to knowingly pass off a fake recording of a public figure as genuine?

    Really interesting policy question.
    Good question. Yes is my answer, impressionists could cover themselves by a little acknowledgement on the video or audio. With Spitting Image, of course, no reasonable person is going to think that is real.
    Do you really want the Met applying a “no reasonable person” test?

    “You arrested 187 people at the World Parody Festival, including the Professor of Parody at LSE. On the basis that their presentation on Parodying Parody in the style of Parody was Fake News?”

    “Ur… well… Under the 2023 H’Act….”
    Why are you making it so difficult? Legislation that says the onus is on the creator* to make it clear that the media is fake would do the job.

    (* I'd put the onus on the platform / publisher, but that's a different matter.)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,607
    Malmesbury said:

    kinabalu said:

    Carnyx said:

    kinabalu said:

    Phil said:

    Disruption at the Cenotaph:

    https://news.sky.com/story/fighting-reported-as-people-shouting-england-til-i-die-try-to-reach-cenotaph-13005216

    What a surprise: it’s the fascist shitheads stirred up by Braverman et al turning up for a ruck & when they don’t get to make one, turning on the police instead.

    Tricky one. Police playing favourites if they arrest them.
    And if they don't.

    But bear in mind Malmesbury's dictum about the polis saving arrests for later.
    Can we trust a Malmesbury dictum though?
    It’s not a dictum. It’s just observing what the police do over decades -

    1) Fuckwits do something criminal at a demo.
    2) People outraged at no arrests on the spot.
    3) Fuckwits arrested later.

    They seem to have done this with Fascists, Islamofascists and others.

    IIRC they found that arrests in the middle of a demo were more likely to lead to release without charge because of issues with evidence. Whereas video evidence and statements plus a “clean” arrest got them slam dunks in court.

    In the case of Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets lifted for breaking one of any number of orders that had been made against him. Remember the court picketing thing?
    Its likely he back off to prison shortly over his claims of having no money / assets....
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,908
    Foxy said:

    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Leon said:

    Phil said:

    Disruption at the Cenotaph:

    https://news.sky.com/story/fighting-reported-as-people-shouting-england-til-i-die-try-to-reach-cenotaph-13005216

    What a surprise: it’s the fascist shitheads stirred up by Braverman et al turning up for a ruck & when they don’t get to make one, turning on the police instead.

    I’m here. It’s fucking nonsense
    Must be deep fake footage of them fighting with the police then.
    It was 4 hours ago at the Cenotaph, they have moved on.
    No they haven’t





  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,397
    Beibheirli_C said:

    Phil said:

    Disruption at the Cenotaph:

    https://news.sky.com/story/fighting-reported-as-people-shouting-england-til-i-die-try-to-reach-cenotaph-13005216

    What a surprise: it’s the fascist shitheads stirred up by Braverman et al turning up for a ruck & when they don’t get to make one, turning on the police instead.

    I do wonder what her hold on Sunak is? How far does she have to step over the line before he gathers the nerve to act? Will he ever do it?

    It must be a truly huge piece of dirt....
    I think the reasoning is that it's better to have Braverman inside the tent, pissing all over the sleeping bags, than it is to have her outside the tent, pissing, sh1itting and vomiting in, before burning down the tent on the basis that the existence of the tent is the real problem.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,908
    This is going to be a peak PB moment as retired doctors in Leicester try to contradict what I am seeing with my own eyes in London
  • ChrisChris Posts: 12,091
    Nice to see a good turnout for the march, and the police firmly handling people trying to interfere with their right to protest (thugs in pubs and thugs in ministerial office).

    Nearly a third of a million people on the police estimate (which generally tends to be conservative). Can even the PB Tories produce sufficient bile for those numbers?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,240
    Adil Rashid on fire tonight!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,908
    This is the edge of the March. Lots of this stuff

    Cars driving randomly fast



    Then they stop. Random shouts and scuffles
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,629
    Typical biased Met, eh, picking on those poor neo-Nazis.

    Callum May Reporting from the Met Police control room
    About 80 counter-demonstrators have now been arrested at Tachbrook Street, I have been told.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-67390343 @ 14:33
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,908
    lol at well known anti semite Piers Corbyn

    What on earth attracted him?


  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,224
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    Benpointer said:

    Malmesbury said:

    Benpointer said:

    FPT:

    Sandpit said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Deepfake audio of Sadiq Khan backing pro-Palestine protest on Armistice Day 'not a criminal offence', Met says
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/sadiq-khan-deepfake-audio-not-crime-met-police/

    Legislation urgently needed.

    ETA the risk is going all DDA and inadvertently banning Spitting Image.

    Should it be a criminal offence, to knowingly pass off a fake recording of a public figure as genuine?

    Really interesting policy question.
    Good question. Yes is my answer, impressionists could cover themselves by a little acknowledgement on the video or audio. With Spitting Image, of course, no reasonable person is going to think that is real.
    Do you really want the Met applying a “no reasonable person” test?

    “You arrested 187 people at the World Parody Festival, including the Professor of Parody at LSE. On the basis that their presentation on Parodying Parody in the style of Parody was Fake News?”

    “Ur… well… Under the 2023 H’Act….”
    Why are you making it so difficult? Legislation that says the onus is on the creator* to make it clear that the media is fake would do the job.

    (* I'd put the onus on the platform / publisher, but that's a different matter.)
    The Horizon computer system says the above post is Fake News….

    Seriously, without a legally watertight definition all the wrong people will be of to prison.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,430
    Leon said:

    lol at well known anti semite Piers Corbyn

    What on earth attracted him?


    Was he arrested like your 82 chums?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,224
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Malmesbury said:

    kinabalu said:

    Carnyx said:

    kinabalu said:

    Phil said:

    Disruption at the Cenotaph:

    https://news.sky.com/story/fighting-reported-as-people-shouting-england-til-i-die-try-to-reach-cenotaph-13005216

    What a surprise: it’s the fascist shitheads stirred up by Braverman et al turning up for a ruck & when they don’t get to make one, turning on the police instead.

    Tricky one. Police playing favourites if they arrest them.
    And if they don't.

    But bear in mind Malmesbury's dictum about the polis saving arrests for later.
    Can we trust a Malmesbury dictum though?
    It’s not a dictum. It’s just observing what the police do over decades -

    1) Fuckwits do something criminal at a demo.
    2) People outraged at no arrests on the spot.
    3) Fuckwits arrested later.

    They seem to have done this with Fascists, Islamofascists and others.

    IIRC they found that arrests in the middle of a demo were more likely to lead to release without charge because of issues with evidence. Whereas video evidence and statements plus a “clean” arrest got them slam dunks in court.

    In the case of Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets lifted for breaking one of any number of orders that had been made against him. Remember the court picketing thing?
    Its likely he back off to prison shortly over his claims of having no money / assets....
    Strangely, there is never a shortage of things to arrest him for.
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,124
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    82 of the football hooligans arrested apparently, "to prevent a breach of the peace".

    Football fans will be used to being held by the police in case they commit a crime.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,430
    Benpointer said:

    Typical biased Met, eh, picking on those poor neo-Nazis.

    Callum May Reporting from the Met Police control room
    About 80 counter-demonstrators have now been arrested at Tachbrook Street, I have been told.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-67390343 @ 14:33

    Didn't Britain wage two long, hard-fought wars against the Far-right? Now we have Tommy Robinson at the Cenotaph?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,337
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Benpointer said:

    Typical biased Met, eh, picking on those poor neo-Nazis.

    Callum May Reporting from the Met Police control room
    About 80 counter-demonstrators have now been arrested at Tachbrook Street, I have been told.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-67390343 @ 14:33

    Didn't Britain wage two long, hard-fought wars against the Far-right? Now we have Tommy Robinson at the Cenotaph?
    That was foreign far right.

    Totally different.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,908
    edited November 2023
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Leon said:

    lol at well known anti semite Piers Corbyn

    What on earth attracted him?


    Was he arrested like your 82 chums?
    No. It’s hilarious. The crowd turned on him because one guy with a megaphone denounced him as a Marxist and a thief and a Freemason and everyone looked confused

    True story
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,208
    Large number of police protecting far right in a pub from having to listen to Piers Corbyn. :smile:



    Lewis Goodall
    @lewis_goodall
    ·
    18m
    Piers Corbyn addressing the crowd outside

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1723355388261654846
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,208
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Benpointer said:

    Typical biased Met, eh, picking on those poor neo-Nazis.

    Callum May Reporting from the Met Police control room
    About 80 counter-demonstrators have now been arrested at Tachbrook Street, I have been told.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-67390343 @ 14:33

    Didn't Britain wage two long, hard-fought wars against the Far-right? Now we have Tommy Robinson at the Cenotaph?
    There is no rhyme nor reason in today's febrile post-modern world. It's just bonkers.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,359
    Big Sam in the Old Trafford directors' box.
    Surely not?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,908
    edited November 2023
    rottenborough said:

    Large number of police protecting far right in a pub from having to listen to Piers Corbyn. :smile:



    Lewis Goodall
    @lewis_goodall
    ·
    18m
    Piers Corbyn addressing the crowd outside

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1723355388261654846

    That’s exactly where I am



  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,430
    Leon said:

    This is going to be a peak PB moment as retired doctors in Leicester try to contradict what I am seeing with my own eyes in London

    Sky are showing your far-right chums scuffling with the Feds in Whitehall :lol:
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,208
    Sums things up in a nutshell...


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    1h
    In any other context the Left say “if a minority community say they find something offensive or oppressive we must respect that and listen to their lived experience”. Then we have “From the River to the Sea”. At which point it becomes “shut up, we’ll decide what it means”.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,757
    Leon said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Leon said:

    lol at well known anti semite Piers Corbyn

    What on earth attracted him?


    Was he arrested like your 82 chums?
    No. It’s hilarious. The crowd turned on him because one guy with a megaphone denounced him as a Marxist and a thief and a Freemason and everyone looked confused

    True story
    One of the more bizarre aspects of Hamas is they blame Freemasonry for spreading ideas of gender equality.

    Because obviously, an organisation open in its key areas only to men is an organisation that's dedicated to improving the lot of women and stopping them from understanding they are (in Hamas' words) 'the makers of men.'
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,208
    Leon said:

    rottenborough said:

    Large number of police protecting far right in a pub from having to listen to Piers Corbyn. :smile:



    Lewis Goodall
    @lewis_goodall
    ·
    18m
    Piers Corbyn addressing the crowd outside

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1723355388261654846

    That’s exactly where I am



    In the pub?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,240
    Willey gets his 100 wickets.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,430
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Leon said:

    lol at well known anti semite Piers Corbyn

    What on earth attracted him?


    Was he arrested like your 82 chums?
    No. It’s hilarious. The crowd turned on him because one guy with a megaphone denounced him as a Marxist and a thief and a Freemason and everyone looked confused

    True story
    One of the more bizarre aspects of Hamas is they blame Freemasonry for spreading ideas of gender equality.

    Because obviously, an organisation open in its key areas only to men is an organisation that's dedicated to improving the lot of women and stopping them from understanding they are (in Hamas' words) 'the makers of men.'
    Ironic given that women can't become Masons? Or can they?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,757
    Willey pulls out another.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,757
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Leon said:

    lol at well known anti semite Piers Corbyn

    What on earth attracted him?


    Was he arrested like your 82 chums?
    No. It’s hilarious. The crowd turned on him because one guy with a megaphone denounced him as a Marxist and a thief and a Freemason and everyone looked confused

    True story
    One of the more bizarre aspects of Hamas is they blame Freemasonry for spreading ideas of gender equality.

    Because obviously, an organisation open in its key areas only to men is an organisation that's dedicated to improving the lot of women and stopping them from understanding they are (in Hamas' words) 'the makers of men.'
    Ironic given that women can't become Masons? Or can they?
    Not in Anglophone countries. They have a separate organisation. I believe they can in France.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,430
    ydoethur said:

    Willey pulls out another.

    The batsman's Holding the bowler's Willey?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,757
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    ydoethur said:

    Willey pulls out another.

    The batsman's Holding the bowler's Willey?
    I've already done that. Did you Miss Tess Tickle's letter?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,208
    Leon said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Leon said:

    lol at well known anti semite Piers Corbyn

    What on earth attracted him?


    Was he arrested like your 82 chums?
    No. It’s hilarious. The crowd turned on him because one guy with a megaphone denounced him as a Marxist and a thief and a Freemason and everyone looked confused

    True story
    Judeo-Masonic conspiracy theory is a thing.

    As you say, it is all getting hopelessly confused.

    Orwell would have had a bloody field day with this day of protest.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,430
    ydoethur said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    ydoethur said:

    Willey pulls out another.

    The batsman's Holding the bowler's Willey?
    I've already done that. Did you Miss Tess Tickle's letter?
    Um, I was out shopping for a while :)
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,208
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Leon said:

    lol at well known anti semite Piers Corbyn

    What on earth attracted him?


    Was he arrested like your 82 chums?
    No. It’s hilarious. The crowd turned on him because one guy with a megaphone denounced him as a Marxist and a thief and a Freemason and everyone looked confused

    True story
    One of the more bizarre aspects of Hamas is they blame Freemasonry for spreading ideas of gender equality.

    Because obviously, an organisation open in its key areas only to men is an organisation that's dedicated to improving the lot of women and stopping them from understanding they are (in Hamas' words) 'the makers of men.'
    This is the Judeo-Masonic conspiracy thing I guess. They are in cahoots you know to take over the world etc etc...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,908
    I genuinely don’t think there is much future for Jews in the UK
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,247
    I do think there is value in the argument the Tories need to distinguish themselves more, ideologically, and there's only so much value in tacking centre on various economic issues (culturally things are a little more mixed). But going from that to some just wanting to have Farage be in charge seems a little over the top in terms of setting a new direction.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,208
    Leon said:

    I genuinely don’t think there is much future for Jews in the UK

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    21s
    I said a few days ago that it was clear that the longer the pro-Palestine marches were allowed to continue unchecked, the more overt the racism was becoming. I’ve got to be honest though, I didn’t think it would be this bad.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,240
    Okay, England just about save enough face in this tournament with today’s performance.
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,124
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Leon said:

    This is going to be a peak PB moment as retired doctors in Leicester try to contradict what I am seeing with my own eyes in London

    Sky are showing your far-right chums scuffling with the Feds in Whitehall :lol:
    ‘The Feds’ 😂😂
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,179
    Leon said:

    I genuinely don’t think there is much future for Jews in the UK

    Ironically, many on the Israeli right would agree and urge all Jews to come and live in Israel. Fortunately for Britain and the Jews, it is melodramatic nonsense.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 12,091
    Leon said:

    I genuinely don’t think there is much future for Jews in the UK

    I doubt you ever stop trying to stoke up pathetic online arguments long enough to "genuinely" do anything.
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,124
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    ydoethur said:

    Willey pulls out another.

    The batsman's Holding the bowler's Willey?
    Lillee. C Dilley. B. Willey
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,247
    rottenborough said:

    Sums things up in a nutshell...
    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    1h
    In any other context the Left say “if a minority community say they find something offensive or oppressive we must respect that and listen to their lived experience”. Then we have “From the River to the Sea”. At which point it becomes “shut up, we’ll decide what it means”.

    I don't agree with the view that just because a group finds something offensive it automatically should be accepted as such (though it should be reasonably considered when deciding it), but it is a fair point that those who do adopt that approach cannot reasonably reject it for one specific area or group.

    For me the key indicator it is an offensive slogan is the attempts made to modulate it, the 'between the river and the sea' variant seen a bit recently. It's a tacit admission the original being seen as problematic has some acceptance behind it, so best to adjust.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,179
    Taz said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    ydoethur said:

    Willey pulls out another.

    The batsman's Holding the bowler's Willey?
    Lillee. C Dilley. B. Willey
    Other way round and here's the video:-
    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2ej796
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,430
    Taz said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Leon said:

    This is going to be a peak PB moment as retired doctors in Leicester try to contradict what I am seeing with my own eyes in London

    Sky are showing your far-right chums scuffling with the Feds in Whitehall :lol:
    ‘The Feds’ 😂😂
    I can do humour :)
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,208
    Twitter gets a welcome break :smile:


    Owen Jones
    @OwenJones84
    ·
    4m
    It took well over an hour to march to the starting point of the demo.

    There’s so many people here that it’s almost impossible to post anything because the mobile networks are overloaded

    https://twitter.com/OwenJones84
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,247
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Leon said:

    I genuinely don’t think there is much future for Jews in the UK

    Ironically, many on the Israeli right would agree and urge all Jews to come and live in Israel. Fortunately for Britain and the Jews, it is melodramatic nonsense.
    Melodramatic perhaps, but I do think the last month has shown there is still a considerable amount of anti-semitism in this country, just waiting beneath the surface.
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,124
    Leon said:

    I genuinely don’t think there is much future for Jews in the UK

    All the venting about the protests from grifting tommeh and co on Twitter, or whatever it is called, from left of centre posters totally ignoring the equally sinister anti semitic undertones of some of the marchers on the other side.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,757
    rottenborough said:

    Twitter gets a welcome break :smile:


    Owen Jones
    @OwenJones84
    ·
    4m
    It took well over an hour to march to the starting point of the demo.

    There’s so many people here that it’s almost impossible to post anything because the mobile networks are overloaded

    https://twitter.com/OwenJones84

    Pity it's only almost.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,757
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Taz said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    ydoethur said:

    Willey pulls out another.

    The batsman's Holding the bowler's Willey?
    Lillee. C Dilley. B. Willey
    Other way round and here's the video:-
    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2ej796
    Whichever way round, Lillee was assonanated
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,208

    Nick Lowles
    @lowles_nick
    ·
    10m
    About 200 far right protesters are heading for Vauxhall Bridge Road in an attempt to confront pro-Palestinian supporters. This is getting highly dangerous
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,430
    kle4 said:

    rottenborough said:

    Sums things up in a nutshell...
    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    1h
    In any other context the Left say “if a minority community say they find something offensive or oppressive we must respect that and listen to their lived experience”. Then we have “From the River to the Sea”. At which point it becomes “shut up, we’ll decide what it means”.

    I don't agree with the view that just because a group finds something offensive it automatically should be accepted as such (though it should be reasonably considered when deciding it), but it is a fair point that those who do adopt that approach cannot reasonably reject it for one specific area or group.

    For me the key indicator it is an offensive slogan is the attempts made to modulate it, the 'between the river and the sea' variant seen a bit recently. It's a tacit admission the original being seen as problematic has some acceptance behind it, so best to adjust.
    From the Mersey to the Dee, Cheshire will be free!
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