Can 7 times elections failure Farage really be CON leader? – politicalbetting.com
There’s a fair bit of speculation at the moment about Farage becoming Tory leader. The only problem with this is that he would first have to become an MP and that means winning a seat at a general election or by-election.
ETA the risk is going all DDA and inadvertently banning Spitting Image.
Should it be a criminal offence, to knowingly pass off a fake recording of a public figure as genuine?
Really interesting policy question.
Good question. Yes is my answer, impressionists could cover themselves by a little acknowledgement on the video or audio. With Spitting Image, of course, no reasonable person is going to think that is real.
Been thinking about this. What if Suella unveils Nigel as her surprise running mate when she launches her leadership campaign? That would be an absolute sensation and would go down a storm with the membership.
What a surprise: it’s the fascist shitheads stirred up by Braverman et al turning up for a ruck & when they don’t get to make one, turning on the police instead.
ETA the risk is going all DDA and inadvertently banning Spitting Image.
Should it be a criminal offence, to knowingly pass off a fake recording of a public figure as genuine?
Really interesting policy question.
Good question. Yes is my answer, impressionists could cover themselves by a little acknowledgement on the video or audio. With Spitting Image, of course, no reasonable person is going to think that is real.
Been thinking about this. What if Suella unveils Nigel as her surprise running mate when she launches her leadership campaign? That would be an absolute sensation and would go down a storm with the membership.
There are no "running mates". Secondly. Even if there were, one who isn't a member of the Tory Party probably wouldn't be allowed.
I think he'd have a good chance with Tory members. But I think finding him a seat in Parliament would be tricky, so it's probably a no.
Also, how would he get in the top two for Tory MPs?
Not. Happening.
Why would the MPs necessarily object? Rees-Mogg, for example, stated a few years ago that UKIP were members of the wider conservative family and the Tories should grasp them to their bosom.
What a surprise: it’s the fascist shitheads stirred up by Braverman et al turning up for a ruck & when they don’t get to make one, turning on the police instead.
Nigel Farage is generally a 10 or 12/1 shot to win IACGMOOH. There might be worse bets if you think the man is popular with the hoi polloi. Wealth warning: I've never actually watched the programme.
I think he'd have a good chance with Tory members. But I think finding him a seat in Parliament would be tricky, so it's probably a no.
Also, how would he get in the top two for Tory MPs?
Not. Happening.
Why would the MPs necessarily object? Rees-Mogg, for example, stated a few years ago that UKIP were members of the wider conservative family and the Tories should grasp them to their bosom.
Been thinking about this. What if Suella unveils Nigel as her surprise running mate when she launches her leadership campaign? That would be an absolute sensation and would go down a storm with the membership.
But it was Priti Patel he was dancing with at the conference. Was that false flag iyo?
Been thinking about this. What if Suella unveils Nigel as her surprise running mate when she launches her leadership campaign? That would be an absolute sensation and would go down a storm with the membership.
But it was Priti Patel he was dancing with at the conference. Was that false flag iyo?
What a surprise: it’s the fascist shitheads stirred up by Braverman et al turning up for a ruck & when they don’t get to make one, turning on the police instead.
Tricky one. Police playing favourites if they arrest them.
What a surprise: it’s the fascist shitheads stirred up by Braverman et al turning up for a ruck & when they don’t get to make one, turning on the police instead.
Tricky one. Police playing favourites if they arrest them.
And if they don't.
But bear in mind Malmesbury's dictum about the polis saving arrests for later.
Been thinking about this. What if Suella unveils Nigel as her surprise running mate when she launches her leadership campaign? That would be an absolute sensation and would go down a storm with the membership.
But it was Priti Patel he was dancing with at the conference. Was that false flag iyo?
I suspect Nige - the old bounder! - was driven by a different dynamic in that situation.
What a surprise: it’s the fascist shitheads stirred up by Braverman et al turning up for a ruck & when they don’t get to make one, turning on the police instead.
Tricky one. Police playing favourites if they arrest them.
And if they don't.
But bear in mind Malmesbury's dictum about the polis saving arrests for later.
OT. No chance. Even if by some mischance he got into Westminster as a Con MP - which is exceedingly unlikely - there is very little chance that he'd get the necessary 33% +1 of the parliamentary party to get him into the final 2 and to the members' vote. He's just too unpopular and divisive with MPs and, moreover, I suspect the polling would look terrible. Unlike Truss and IDS at the time of their election (two other duds who should never have got anywhere near the leadership) Farage is only too well known and the electoral cost only too apparent.
Been thinking about this. What if Suella unveils Nigel as her surprise running mate when she launches her leadership campaign? That would be an absolute sensation and would go down a storm with the membership.
But it was Priti Patel he was dancing with at the conference. Was that false flag iyo?
Maybe he can't tell them apart.
I think my favourite political one-liner of the last year or so was Braverman being described as Priti Patel when she's been fed after midnight.
What a surprise: it’s the fascist shitheads stirred up by Braverman et al turning up for a ruck & when they don’t get to make one, turning on the police instead.
I do wonder what her hold on Sunak is? How far does she have to step over the line before he gathers the nerve to act? Will he ever do it?
ETA the risk is going all DDA and inadvertently banning Spitting Image.
Should it be a criminal offence, to knowingly pass off a fake recording of a public figure as genuine?
Really interesting policy question.
Good question. Yes is my answer, impressionists could cover themselves by a little acknowledgement on the video or audio. With Spitting Image, of course, no reasonable person is going to think that is real.
Do you really want the Met applying a “no reasonable person” test?
“You arrested 187 people at the World Parody Festival, including the Professor of Parody at LSE. On the basis that their presentation on Parodying Parody in the style of Parody was Fake News?”
I do wonder what Norman Tebbit might think, about Moeen Ali and Adil Rashid taking apart the Pakistani batsmen.
?? I think Tebbit's argument was that Asian UK nationals should support England not that they cannot play for them - in fact playing for England is a sign they do support England so he will be pleased if anythng
What a surprise: it’s the fascist shitheads stirred up by Braverman et al turning up for a ruck & when they don’t get to make one, turning on the police instead.
I do wonder what her hold on Sunak is? How far does she have to step over the line before he gathers the nerve to act? Will he ever do it?
It must be a truly huge piece of dirt....
No, I think Sunak is Mr Clean personally. He just needed her endorsement to make the final two.
OT. No chance. Even if by some mischance he got into Westminster as a Con MP - which is exceedingly unlikely - there is very little chance that he'd get the necessary 33% +1 of the parliamentary party to get him into the final 2 and to the members' vote. He's just too unpopular and divisive with MPs and, moreover, I suspect the polling would look terrible. Unlike Truss and IDS at the time of their election (two other duds who should never have got anywhere near the leadership) Farage is only too well known and the electoral cost only too apparent.
It depends how many sensible ones get voted out at the next election and how many nutters take their place. Remember that the MPs who make the first selection are put there by voters who feel that those MPs will align with their core beliefs.
I do wonder what Norman Tebbit might think, about Moeen Ali and Adil Rashid taking apart the Pakistani batsmen.
?? I think Tebbit's argument was that Asian UK nationals should support England not that they cannot play for them - in fact playing for England is a sign they do support England so he will be pleased if anythng
Yes, I imagine he might have a big smile on his face tonight.
Mike said "can 7 times elections failure Farage really be Con leader?"
Yes he could, because a large lump of the "Conservative" Party is really just UKIP in disguise.
I think he would be perfect for them. He is exactly the sort of bigmouth that spouts the crap they like to hear.
Yes, I think it's quite possible. He wants it and the membership wants it. If the Tories take an absolute hammering at the GE there will be much discussion about the Right needing to re-align for the post-Brexit 21st century. Nige will feature prominently in such a discussion.
Farage joins party and is gifted an Essex/Kent/Lincolnshire seat that a rightish Tory can't lose.
The Tories really do get nearly wiped out as in the worst of the current polling, but Farage is one of the less than 100 Tory MPs.
Of the rump of Tory MPs one third + 1 are prepared to back Farage in the run offs because about a third of the MPs are insane. Maths tells you that's enough to be in the last two. (If there are 100 MPs you need 34 stalwart loyalist backers at most. That's all)
Members vote Farage. Nicholas Soames, Ken Clarke, Heseltine, etc join Labour.
Farage joins party and is gifted an Essex/Kent/Lincolnshire seat that a rightish Tory can't lose.
The Tories really do get nearly wiped out as in the worst of the current polling, but Farage is one of the less than 100 Tory MPs.
Of the rump of Tory MPs one third + 1 are prepared to back Farage in the run offs because about a third of the MPs are insane. Maths tells you that's enough to be in the last two. (If there are 100 MPs you need 34 stalwart loyalist backers at most. That's all)
Members vote Farage. Nicholas Soames, Ken Clarke, Heseltine, etc join Labour.
On that scale those last three will be voting from the grave
What a surprise: it’s the fascist shitheads stirred up by Braverman et al turning up for a ruck & when they don’t get to make one, turning on the police instead.
What a surprise: it’s the fascist shitheads stirred up by Braverman et al turning up for a ruck & when they don’t get to make one, turning on the police instead.
Tricky one. Police playing favourites if they arrest them.
And if they don't.
But bear in mind Malmesbury's dictum about the polis saving arrests for later.
Can we trust a Malmesbury dictum though?
It’s not a dictum. It’s just observing what the police do over decades -
1) Fuckwits do something criminal at a demo. 2) People outraged at no arrests on the spot. 3) Fuckwits arrested later.
They seem to have done this with Fascists, Islamofascists and others.
IIRC they found that arrests in the middle of a demo were more likely to lead to release without charge because of issues with evidence. Whereas video evidence and statements plus a “clean” arrest got them slam dunks in court.
In the case of Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets lifted for breaking one of any number of orders that had been made against him. Remember the court picketing thing?
ETA the risk is going all DDA and inadvertently banning Spitting Image.
Should it be a criminal offence, to knowingly pass off a fake recording of a public figure as genuine?
Really interesting policy question.
Good question. Yes is my answer, impressionists could cover themselves by a little acknowledgement on the video or audio. With Spitting Image, of course, no reasonable person is going to think that is real.
I think satirists would be covered as clear from the context as not really the person.
It would be reasonable to make it criminal to fake a person with the intention to deceive.
What a surprise: it’s the fascist shitheads stirred up by Braverman et al turning up for a ruck & when they don’t get to make one, turning on the police instead.
I’m here. It’s fucking nonsense
Must be deep fake footage of them fighting with the police then.
What a surprise: it’s the fascist shitheads stirred up by Braverman et al turning up for a ruck & when they don’t get to make one, turning on the police instead.
I’m here. It’s fucking nonsense
Must be deep fake footage of them fighting with the police then.
It was 4 hours ago at the Cenotaph, they have moved on.
What a surprise: it’s the fascist shitheads stirred up by Braverman et al turning up for a ruck & when they don’t get to make one, turning on the police instead.
I’m here. It’s fucking nonsense
Must be deep fake footage of them fighting with the police then.
ETA the risk is going all DDA and inadvertently banning Spitting Image.
Should it be a criminal offence, to knowingly pass off a fake recording of a public figure as genuine?
Really interesting policy question.
Good question. Yes is my answer, impressionists could cover themselves by a little acknowledgement on the video or audio. With Spitting Image, of course, no reasonable person is going to think that is real.
Do you really want the Met applying a “no reasonable person” test?
“You arrested 187 people at the World Parody Festival, including the Professor of Parody at LSE. On the basis that their presentation on Parodying Parody in the style of Parody was Fake News?”
“Ur… well… Under the 2023 H’Act….”
Why are you making it so difficult? Legislation that says the onus is on the creator* to make it clear that the media is fake would do the job.
(* I'd put the onus on the platform / publisher, but that's a different matter.)
What a surprise: it’s the fascist shitheads stirred up by Braverman et al turning up for a ruck & when they don’t get to make one, turning on the police instead.
Tricky one. Police playing favourites if they arrest them.
And if they don't.
But bear in mind Malmesbury's dictum about the polis saving arrests for later.
Can we trust a Malmesbury dictum though?
It’s not a dictum. It’s just observing what the police do over decades -
1) Fuckwits do something criminal at a demo. 2) People outraged at no arrests on the spot. 3) Fuckwits arrested later.
They seem to have done this with Fascists, Islamofascists and others.
IIRC they found that arrests in the middle of a demo were more likely to lead to release without charge because of issues with evidence. Whereas video evidence and statements plus a “clean” arrest got them slam dunks in court.
In the case of Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets lifted for breaking one of any number of orders that had been made against him. Remember the court picketing thing?
Its likely he back off to prison shortly over his claims of having no money / assets....
What a surprise: it’s the fascist shitheads stirred up by Braverman et al turning up for a ruck & when they don’t get to make one, turning on the police instead.
I’m here. It’s fucking nonsense
Must be deep fake footage of them fighting with the police then.
It was 4 hours ago at the Cenotaph, they have moved on.
What a surprise: it’s the fascist shitheads stirred up by Braverman et al turning up for a ruck & when they don’t get to make one, turning on the police instead.
I do wonder what her hold on Sunak is? How far does she have to step over the line before he gathers the nerve to act? Will he ever do it?
It must be a truly huge piece of dirt....
I think the reasoning is that it's better to have Braverman inside the tent, pissing all over the sleeping bags, than it is to have her outside the tent, pissing, sh1itting and vomiting in, before burning down the tent on the basis that the existence of the tent is the real problem.
Nice to see a good turnout for the march, and the police firmly handling people trying to interfere with their right to protest (thugs in pubs and thugs in ministerial office).
Nearly a third of a million people on the police estimate (which generally tends to be conservative). Can even the PB Tories produce sufficient bile for those numbers?
ETA the risk is going all DDA and inadvertently banning Spitting Image.
Should it be a criminal offence, to knowingly pass off a fake recording of a public figure as genuine?
Really interesting policy question.
Good question. Yes is my answer, impressionists could cover themselves by a little acknowledgement on the video or audio. With Spitting Image, of course, no reasonable person is going to think that is real.
Do you really want the Met applying a “no reasonable person” test?
“You arrested 187 people at the World Parody Festival, including the Professor of Parody at LSE. On the basis that their presentation on Parodying Parody in the style of Parody was Fake News?”
“Ur… well… Under the 2023 H’Act….”
Why are you making it so difficult? Legislation that says the onus is on the creator* to make it clear that the media is fake would do the job.
(* I'd put the onus on the platform / publisher, but that's a different matter.)
The Horizon computer system says the above post is Fake News….
Seriously, without a legally watertight definition all the wrong people will be of to prison.
What a surprise: it’s the fascist shitheads stirred up by Braverman et al turning up for a ruck & when they don’t get to make one, turning on the police instead.
Tricky one. Police playing favourites if they arrest them.
And if they don't.
But bear in mind Malmesbury's dictum about the polis saving arrests for later.
Can we trust a Malmesbury dictum though?
It’s not a dictum. It’s just observing what the police do over decades -
1) Fuckwits do something criminal at a demo. 2) People outraged at no arrests on the spot. 3) Fuckwits arrested later.
They seem to have done this with Fascists, Islamofascists and others.
IIRC they found that arrests in the middle of a demo were more likely to lead to release without charge because of issues with evidence. Whereas video evidence and statements plus a “clean” arrest got them slam dunks in court.
In the case of Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets lifted for breaking one of any number of orders that had been made against him. Remember the court picketing thing?
Its likely he back off to prison shortly over his claims of having no money / assets....
Strangely, there is never a shortage of things to arrest him for.
No. It’s hilarious. The crowd turned on him because one guy with a megaphone denounced him as a Marxist and a thief and a Freemason and everyone looked confused
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 1h In any other context the Left say “if a minority community say they find something offensive or oppressive we must respect that and listen to their lived experience”. Then we have “From the River to the Sea”. At which point it becomes “shut up, we’ll decide what it means”.
No. It’s hilarious. The crowd turned on him because one guy with a megaphone denounced him as a Marxist and a thief and a Freemason and everyone looked confused
True story
One of the more bizarre aspects of Hamas is they blame Freemasonry for spreading ideas of gender equality.
Because obviously, an organisation open in its key areas only to men is an organisation that's dedicated to improving the lot of women and stopping them from understanding they are (in Hamas' words) 'the makers of men.'
No. It’s hilarious. The crowd turned on him because one guy with a megaphone denounced him as a Marxist and a thief and a Freemason and everyone looked confused
True story
One of the more bizarre aspects of Hamas is they blame Freemasonry for spreading ideas of gender equality.
Because obviously, an organisation open in its key areas only to men is an organisation that's dedicated to improving the lot of women and stopping them from understanding they are (in Hamas' words) 'the makers of men.'
Ironic given that women can't become Masons? Or can they?
No. It’s hilarious. The crowd turned on him because one guy with a megaphone denounced him as a Marxist and a thief and a Freemason and everyone looked confused
True story
One of the more bizarre aspects of Hamas is they blame Freemasonry for spreading ideas of gender equality.
Because obviously, an organisation open in its key areas only to men is an organisation that's dedicated to improving the lot of women and stopping them from understanding they are (in Hamas' words) 'the makers of men.'
Ironic given that women can't become Masons? Or can they?
Not in Anglophone countries. They have a separate organisation. I believe they can in France.
No. It’s hilarious. The crowd turned on him because one guy with a megaphone denounced him as a Marxist and a thief and a Freemason and everyone looked confused
True story
Judeo-Masonic conspiracy theory is a thing.
As you say, it is all getting hopelessly confused.
Orwell would have had a bloody field day with this day of protest.
No. It’s hilarious. The crowd turned on him because one guy with a megaphone denounced him as a Marxist and a thief and a Freemason and everyone looked confused
True story
One of the more bizarre aspects of Hamas is they blame Freemasonry for spreading ideas of gender equality.
Because obviously, an organisation open in its key areas only to men is an organisation that's dedicated to improving the lot of women and stopping them from understanding they are (in Hamas' words) 'the makers of men.'
This is the Judeo-Masonic conspiracy thing I guess. They are in cahoots you know to take over the world etc etc...
I do think there is value in the argument the Tories need to distinguish themselves more, ideologically, and there's only so much value in tacking centre on various economic issues (culturally things are a little more mixed). But going from that to some just wanting to have Farage be in charge seems a little over the top in terms of setting a new direction.
I genuinely don’t think there is much future for Jews in the UK
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 21s I said a few days ago that it was clear that the longer the pro-Palestine marches were allowed to continue unchecked, the more overt the racism was becoming. I’ve got to be honest though, I didn’t think it would be this bad.
I genuinely don’t think there is much future for Jews in the UK
Ironically, many on the Israeli right would agree and urge all Jews to come and live in Israel. Fortunately for Britain and the Jews, it is melodramatic nonsense.
Sums things up in a nutshell... (((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 1h In any other context the Left say “if a minority community say they find something offensive or oppressive we must respect that and listen to their lived experience”. Then we have “From the River to the Sea”. At which point it becomes “shut up, we’ll decide what it means”.
I don't agree with the view that just because a group finds something offensive it automatically should be accepted as such (though it should be reasonably considered when deciding it), but it is a fair point that those who do adopt that approach cannot reasonably reject it for one specific area or group.
For me the key indicator it is an offensive slogan is the attempts made to modulate it, the 'between the river and the sea' variant seen a bit recently. It's a tacit admission the original being seen as problematic has some acceptance behind it, so best to adjust.
I genuinely don’t think there is much future for Jews in the UK
Ironically, many on the Israeli right would agree and urge all Jews to come and live in Israel. Fortunately for Britain and the Jews, it is melodramatic nonsense.
Melodramatic perhaps, but I do think the last month has shown there is still a considerable amount of anti-semitism in this country, just waiting beneath the surface.
I genuinely don’t think there is much future for Jews in the UK
All the venting about the protests from grifting tommeh and co on Twitter, or whatever it is called, from left of centre posters totally ignoring the equally sinister anti semitic undertones of some of the marchers on the other side.
Nick Lowles @lowles_nick · 10m About 200 far right protesters are heading for Vauxhall Bridge Road in an attempt to confront pro-Palestinian supporters. This is getting highly dangerous
Sums things up in a nutshell... (((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 1h In any other context the Left say “if a minority community say they find something offensive or oppressive we must respect that and listen to their lived experience”. Then we have “From the River to the Sea”. At which point it becomes “shut up, we’ll decide what it means”.
I don't agree with the view that just because a group finds something offensive it automatically should be accepted as such (though it should be reasonably considered when deciding it), but it is a fair point that those who do adopt that approach cannot reasonably reject it for one specific area or group.
For me the key indicator it is an offensive slogan is the attempts made to modulate it, the 'between the river and the sea' variant seen a bit recently. It's a tacit admission the original being seen as problematic has some acceptance behind it, so best to adjust.
From the Mersey to the Dee, Cheshire will be free!
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If Rees-Mogg thinks they have similar views, perhaps RM should do the right thing and leave the Tories in favour of UKIP.
Not. Happening.
https://news.sky.com/story/fighting-reported-as-people-shouting-england-til-i-die-try-to-reach-cenotaph-13005216
What a surprise: it’s the fascist shitheads stirred up by Braverman et al turning up for a ruck & when they don’t get to make one, turning on the police instead.
Plus the Tory MPs left after the next election will probably be a more right wing bunch.
Secondly. Even if there were, one who isn't a member of the Tory Party probably wouldn't be allowed.
But bear in mind Malmesbury's dictum about the polis saving arrests for later.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/11/11/gazans-turn-on-hamas-as-food-shortage-fuel-fears-starvation/
Yes he could, because a large lump of the "Conservative" Party is really just UKIP in disguise.
I think he would be perfect for them. He is exactly the sort of bigmouth that spouts the crap they like to hear.
It must be a truly huge piece of dirt....
Bit of an odd choice naming a daughter for an alcoholic character.
“You arrested 187 people at the World Parody Festival, including the Professor of Parody at LSE. On the basis that their presentation on Parodying Parody in the style of Parody was Fake News?”
“Ur… well… Under the 2023 H’Act….”
But if yes, the route is there.
Farage joins party and is gifted an Essex/Kent/Lincolnshire seat that a rightish Tory can't lose.
The Tories really do get nearly wiped out as in the worst of the current polling, but Farage is one of the less than 100 Tory MPs.
Of the rump of Tory MPs one third + 1 are prepared to back Farage in the run offs because about a third of the MPs are insane. Maths tells you that's enough to be in the last two. (If there are 100 MPs you need 34 stalwart loyalist backers at most. That's all)
Members vote Farage. Nicholas Soames, Ken Clarke, Heseltine, etc join Labour.
PONFWAS
1) Fuckwits do something criminal at a demo.
2) People outraged at no arrests on the spot.
3) Fuckwits arrested later.
They seem to have done this with Fascists, Islamofascists and others.
IIRC they found that arrests in the middle of a demo were more likely to lead to release without charge because of issues with evidence. Whereas video evidence and statements plus a “clean” arrest got them slam dunks in court.
In the case of Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets lifted for breaking one of any number of orders that had been made against him. Remember the court picketing thing?
It would be reasonable to make it criminal to fake a person with the intention to deceive.
The march is enormous and profoundly menacing
(* I'd put the onus on the platform / publisher, but that's a different matter.)
Nearly a third of a million people on the police estimate (which generally tends to be conservative). Can even the PB Tories produce sufficient bile for those numbers?
Cars driving randomly fast
Then they stop. Random shouts and scuffles
Callum May Reporting from the Met Police control room
About 80 counter-demonstrators have now been arrested at Tachbrook Street, I have been told.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-67390343 @ 14:33
What on earth attracted him?
Seriously, without a legally watertight definition all the wrong people will be of to prison.
Totally different.
True story
Lewis Goodall
@lewis_goodall
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18m
Piers Corbyn addressing the crowd outside
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1723355388261654846
Surely not?
(((Dan Hodges)))
@DPJHodges
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1h
In any other context the Left say “if a minority community say they find something offensive or oppressive we must respect that and listen to their lived experience”. Then we have “From the River to the Sea”. At which point it becomes “shut up, we’ll decide what it means”.
Because obviously, an organisation open in its key areas only to men is an organisation that's dedicated to improving the lot of women and stopping them from understanding they are (in Hamas' words) 'the makers of men.'
As you say, it is all getting hopelessly confused.
Orwell would have had a bloody field day with this day of protest.
@DPJHodges
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21s
I said a few days ago that it was clear that the longer the pro-Palestine marches were allowed to continue unchecked, the more overt the racism was becoming. I’ve got to be honest though, I didn’t think it would be this bad.
For me the key indicator it is an offensive slogan is the attempts made to modulate it, the 'between the river and the sea' variant seen a bit recently. It's a tacit admission the original being seen as problematic has some acceptance behind it, so best to adjust.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2ej796
Owen Jones
@OwenJones84
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4m
It took well over an hour to march to the starting point of the demo.
There’s so many people here that it’s almost impossible to post anything because the mobile networks are overloaded
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84
Nick Lowles
@lowles_nick
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10m
About 200 far right protesters are heading for Vauxhall Bridge Road in an attempt to confront pro-Palestinian supporters. This is getting highly dangerous