Oops. That won't please the "close mickey mouse courses" brigade.
I think it is courses like nursing, policing, town planning, engineering, surveying, teaching etc that actually lead to solid jobs.
I think its worth noting that before John Major's university revolution, lots of polytechnics weren't thought of as mickey mouse at all. Far from it. People went there for solid vocational educational courses, often in conjunction with their day job.
The issue was that most would specialise in a small number of subjects, as I say, overwhelmingly vocational. However to get the sweet university tag you had to offer a much wider range of subjects, but they didn't have the facilities or expertise to offer traditional courses (and they are very expensive to build out e.g. things like Chemistry are eye watering to run), so they instead created often a range of BS courses to fill quotas.
You mean they should offah Propah courses like, say, Classics?
That 9% now voting Reform is closer to the 12% who voted UKIP in 2015 than the 3% who voted Brexit party or UKIP in 2019.
Sunak cannot afford to keep leaking Tory voters to his right to Reform, especially given the votes he has already lost in the redwall and other marginal seats Boris won to Labour
Earlier I got some grief for stating that Sunak is leaking votes to the left and the right, but the evidence is there. The core vote is dwindling, and it can't be revived by a lurch left or right.
The fact that the Tories are losing votes both to the loony right and the social democrat centre shows that their problem is not policy as such (though it is that as well) but integrity and competence.
They need, of course, to risk losing votes to the loonies, because elections are won from the centre.
That 9% now voting Reform is closer to the 12% who voted UKIP in 2015 than the 3% who voted Brexit party or UKIP in 2019.
Sunak cannot afford to keep leaking Tory voters to his right to Reform, especially given the votes he has already lost in the redwall and other marginal seats Boris won to Labour
Earlier I got some grief for stating that Sunak is leaking votes to the left and the right, but the evidence is there. The core vote is dwindling, and it can't be revived by a lurch left or right.
This is a classic case where it us not the left/right alignment that is killing him but the competent/incompetent.
Whether voters consider themselves right or left, what they are really opposed to is incompetence.
And Sunak - and much of his Government - have that in spades
Oops. That won't please the "close mickey mouse courses" brigade.
Reducing judgements about degrees/training etc to money is a worthless enterprise and subverts the entire purpose of academia, and indeed the entire purpose of bothering to exist at all.
There is no purpose to academia apart from getting a good job for most people. Academics for the sake of academics are few and far between. It is the only reason most go for a degree. You might think it pointless but it is also true
and no i dont vote conservative since 2010 when they went left wing
You mean left of the extreme right. They were centre ground under Cameron. Forgetting May, then Boris the loon took over and we are where we are. Right wing loons will inevitably lead to defeat.
Oops. That won't please the "close mickey mouse courses" brigade.
I think it is courses like nursing, policing, town planning, engineering, surveying, teaching etc that actually lead to solid jobs.
The trouble with degrees is the number that do a degree mickey mouse or otherwise and actually get a job relevant to their degree which is why I am wary of figures like this. For example growing up I have a friend who got a first in marine biology, not something most would class as a mickey mouse degree....still no jobs for him in that line and as he didnt want to leave cornwall last time we met he was still a waiter in a cafe
my point is that the degrees that lead to jobs are those that involve specific work based qualifications and for the most part these are in the "ex poly's". In my own field most people go on day release to get qualified after their first degree (or increasingly as a first degree, ie as an apprenticeship); the ex-polys generally have much lower fees.
I got a first from a Russell Group uni in my first degree (history) but has never been of any significance to my career. Maybe it looks impressive to people reading my CV but it is a totally minor thing. I've got friends from uni who never had any career aspirations and are now doing minimum wage work.
Oops. That won't please the "close mickey mouse courses" brigade.
I think it is courses like nursing, policing, town planning, engineering, surveying, teaching etc that actually lead to solid jobs.
I think its worth noting that before John Major's university revolution, lots of polytechnics weren't thought of as mickey mouse at all. Far from it. People went there for solid vocational educational courses, often in conjunction with their day job.
The issue was that most would specialise in a small number of subjects, as I say, overwhelmingly vocational. However to get the sweet university tag you had to offer a much wider range of subjects, but they didn't have the facilities or expertise to offer traditional courses (and they are very expensive to build out e.g. things like Chemistry are eye watering to run), so they instead created often a range of BS courses to fill quotas.
You mean they should offah Propah courses like, say, Classics?
As I said down thread, there are lot of nonsense courses offered at traditional universities.
That Baltic Sea pipeline … 'Roman Chervinsky, a decorated 48-year-old colonel who served in Ukraine’s Special Operations Forces, was the “coordinator” of the Nord Stream operation, people familiar with his role said, managing logistics and support for a six-person team that rented a sailboat under false identities and used deep-sea diving equipment to place explosive charges on the gas pipelines. On Sept. 26, 2022, three explosions caused massive leaks on the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines, which run from Russia to Germany under the Baltic Sea. The attack left only one of the four gas links in the network intact as winter approached.' https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/11/11/nordstream-bombing-ukraine-chervinsky/
We've known it was Ukraine for about 18 months now.
What's really amazing, though, is how fungible energy markets turned out to be, and that therefore Europe sailed through last winter without significant disruption.
And now, a year on, Europe's natural gas storage is 99.5% full ahead of winter.
and no i dont vote conservative since 2010 when they went left wing
You mean left of the extreme right. They were centre ground under Cameron. Forgetting May, then Boris the loon took over and we are where we are. Right wing loons will inevitably lead to defeat.
Pfft this government has been higher tax and more redistrubitive than even atlees government, it is not right wing in the least. People like to call it that because they are left wing loons
Officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration in Grosvenor Place.
The group were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings. Officers are using their Section 60 and 60AA powers to detain and search those involved.
Leon, Flinter Knappers Gazette, our man on the spot.
So that’s 150 troublemakers out of 300,000 marchers. 0.05%.
And yet, our destitute man’s version of Alan Whicker scoffs at descriptions of today’s march for Palestine as largely peaceful and then wonders why people don’t take him seriously.
Top tip: don’t attempt to style yourself as Kate Adie when your substance is Katie Hopkins.
The chances of @Leon writing objectively on any issue involving Muslims is pretty slim.
The same is true for you, you seem to assume they are all good, he assumes they are all bad. Like most people there are the good , the bad and the in the middle
Absolutely not true. I do not “assume they are all bad”
See my comment upthread. I described 90% of the march - predominantly Muslim - as good natured, amiable, well meaning. And it was. Lot of pleasant families down from bradford etc. All rather jolly (the chanting aside)
But yes I also pointed out the 5-10% who were blatantly nastier and out for a fight
Let me rephrase then, you post about bad muslims a lot, foxy posts about good muslims a lot.
People are people regardless of race , gender, creed or ideology, some arseholes, some saints mostly people in the middle
Yes, absolutely true. Indeed I made that same point on here a week ago
Most people around the world are really quite NICE - everywhere you go. That one of the best things you learn from travelling a lot. The sheer niceness, helpfulness and generosity of most people - who enjoy a joke and want a peaceful life - Muslim or Buddhist, Chinese or African, old or young
So, why are right wing people so nasty? Why have Tories essentially become nastier?
They are not and they haven't. I could say much the same about Left wing people and it would be equally untrue. It is just that you are on the left of centre and so are quick to see fault with those on the opposite political pole to you.
Officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration in Grosvenor Place.
The group were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings. Officers are using their Section 60 and 60AA powers to detain and search those involved.
Leon, Flinter Knappers Gazette, our man on the spot.
So that’s 150 troublemakers out of 300,000 marchers. 0.05%.
And yet, our destitute man’s version of Alan Whicker scoffs at descriptions of today’s march for Palestine as largely peaceful and then wonders why people don’t take him seriously.
Top tip: don’t attempt to style yourself as Kate Adie when your substance is Katie Hopkins.
The chances of @Leon writing objectively on any issue involving Muslims is pretty slim.
The same is true for you, you seem to assume they are all good, he assumes they are all bad. Like most people there are the good , the bad and the in the middle
Absolutely not true. I do not “assume they are all bad”
See my comment upthread. I described 90% of the march - predominantly Muslim - as good natured, amiable, well meaning. And it was. Lot of pleasant families down from bradford etc. All rather jolly (the chanting aside)
But yes I also pointed out the 5-10% who were blatantly nastier and out for a fight
Let me rephrase then, you post about bad muslims a lot, foxy posts about good muslims a lot.
People are people regardless of race , gender, creed or ideology, some arseholes, some saints mostly people in the middle
Yes, absolutely true. Indeed I made that same point on here a week ago
Most people around the world are really quite NICE - everywhere you go. That one of the best things you learn from travelling a lot. The sheer niceness, helpfulness and generosity of most people - who enjoy a joke and want a peaceful life - Muslim or Buddhist, Chinese or African, old or young
So, why are right wing people so nasty? Why have Tories essentially become nastier?
Officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration in Grosvenor Place.
The group were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings. Officers are using their Section 60 and 60AA powers to detain and search those involved.
Leon, Flinter Knappers Gazette, our man on the spot.
So that’s 150 troublemakers out of 300,000 marchers. 0.05%.
And yet, our destitute man’s version of Alan Whicker scoffs at descriptions of today’s march for Palestine as largely peaceful and then wonders why people don’t take him seriously.
Top tip: don’t attempt to style yourself as Kate Adie when your substance is Katie Hopkins.
The chances of @Leon writing objectively on any issue involving Muslims is pretty slim.
The same is true for you, you seem to assume they are all good, he assumes they are all bad. Like most people there are the good , the bad and the in the middle
Absolutely not true. I do not “assume they are all bad”
See my comment upthread. I described 90% of the march - predominantly Muslim - as good natured, amiable, well meaning. And it was. Lot of pleasant families down from bradford etc. All rather jolly (the chanting aside)
But yes I also pointed out the 5-10% who were blatantly nastier and out for a fight
Let me rephrase then, you post about bad muslims a lot, foxy posts about good muslims a lot.
People are people regardless of race , gender, creed or ideology, some arseholes, some saints mostly people in the middle
Yes, absolutely true. Indeed I made that same point on here a week ago
Most people around the world are really quite NICE - everywhere you go. That one of the best things you learn from travelling a lot. The sheer niceness, helpfulness and generosity of most people - who enjoy a joke and want a peaceful life - Muslim or Buddhist, Chinese or African, old or young
So, why are right wing people so nasty? Why have Tories essentially become nastier?
Right wing people like me might be nastier because we aren't landlords like you and living off the sweat of other peoples labour?
But on average, aren't landlords/property owners one of the few groups the Conservatives can still rely on?
A lot of right wing people are renters such as myself yet get left wingers like tyson claiming we are all like that while hypocritically making their money that way
Oops. That won't please the "close mickey mouse courses" brigade.
I think it is courses like nursing, policing, town planning, engineering, surveying, teaching etc that actually lead to solid jobs.
The trouble with degrees is the number that do a degree mickey mouse or otherwise and actually get a job relevant to their degree which is why I am wary of figures like this. For example growing up I have a friend who got a first in marine biology, not something most would class as a mickey mouse degree....still no jobs for him in that line and as he didnt want to leave cornwall last time we met he was still a waiter in a cafe
my point is that the degrees that lead to jobs are those that involve specific work based qualifications and for the most part these are in the "ex poly's". In my own field most people go on day release to get qualified after their first degree (or increasingly as a first degree, ie as an apprenticeship); the ex-polys generally have much lower fees.
I got a first from a Russell Group uni in my first degree (history) but has never been of any significance to my career. Maybe it looks impressive to people reading my CV but it is a totally minor thing. I've got friends from uni who never had any career aspirations and are now doing minimum wage work.
The degrees that lead to the highest paid graduate jobs ie law and medicine, economics, Maths, engineering, IT etc however are all found in Russell Group universities
That 9% now voting Reform is closer to the 12% who voted UKIP in 2015 than the 3% who voted Brexit party or UKIP in 2019.
Sunak cannot afford to keep leaking Tory voters to his right to Reform, especially given the votes he has already lost in the redwall and other marginal seats Boris won to Labour
Earlier I got some grief for stating that Sunak is leaking votes to the left and the right, but the evidence is there. The core vote is dwindling, and it can't be revived by a lurch left or right.
The fact that the Tories are losing votes both to the loony right and the social democrat centre shows that their problem is not policy as such (though it is that as well) but integrity and competence.
They need, of course, to risk losing votes to the loonies, because elections are won from the centre.
They've delivered on Europe and (belatedly) put up a bit of a rearguard on Culture. They haven't on tax or immigration. And they've been stunningly complacent on defence. A bit tokenistic on the family - not much on it.
Yes, I'm arguing on the grounds of core right-wing issues but that's purely because that's what is eroding the base.
That Baltic Sea pipeline … 'Roman Chervinsky, a decorated 48-year-old colonel who served in Ukraine’s Special Operations Forces, was the “coordinator” of the Nord Stream operation, people familiar with his role said, managing logistics and support for a six-person team that rented a sailboat under false identities and used deep-sea diving equipment to place explosive charges on the gas pipelines. On Sept. 26, 2022, three explosions caused massive leaks on the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines, which run from Russia to Germany under the Baltic Sea. The attack left only one of the four gas links in the network intact as winter approached.' https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/11/11/nordstream-bombing-ukraine-chervinsky/
We've known it was Ukraine for about 18 months now.
What's really amazing, though, is how fungible energy markets turned out to be, and that therefore Europe sailed through last winter without significant disruption.
And now, a year on, Europe's natural gas storage is 99.5% full ahead of winter.
Wait, so I was right AGAIN? It wasn't Russia after all?
and no i dont vote conservative since 2010 when they went left wing
You mean left of the extreme right. They were centre ground under Cameron. Forgetting May, then Boris the loon took over and we are where we are. Right wing loons will inevitably lead to defeat.
Pfft this government has been higher tax and more redistrubitive than even atlees government, it is not right wing in the least. People like to call it that because they are left wing loons
When even The Times is starting to launch campaigns against high tax, as it has today, you know you've got a problem.
Despite failing to win a parliamentary seat before, though he came close in Thanet in 2015, Farage did at one stage lead a party which led the Tories and Labour in some polls in June 2019 after May delayed Brexit in the form of the Brexit Party. He also one the European elections in 2019 and in 2014 too with UKIP.
I highly doubt he will ever be Conservative leader though, CCHQ would block him getting on the parliamentary candidates list for starters unless say Braverman or Rees Mogg were Tory leader
If Farage had stood for the Conservatives in South Thanet in 2015, he would have won. If he were to stand for the Conservatives in 2024 in East Thanet, Brigg and Immingham, South Holland and the Deepings, for example, he would win. If the Conservatives want Farage, he would win a seat. The question is, would the Conservatives want Farage?
CCHQ wouldn't, Sunak wouldn't, Conservative Party members would. However the latter can only select parliamentary candidates from a list CCHQ have approved
Would Braverman or Badenoch?
Maybe, as would Rees Mogg but they have to become Leader first
I could envisage Braverman or Badenoch as LOTO after the GE, but not Rees-Mogg, partly because I expect him to lose his seat.
That 9% now voting Reform is closer to the 12% who voted UKIP in 2015 than the 3% who voted Brexit party or UKIP in 2019.
Sunak cannot afford to keep leaking Tory voters to his right to Reform, especially given the votes he has already lost in the redwall and other marginal seats Boris won to Labour
Earlier I got some grief for stating that Sunak is leaking votes to the left and the right, but the evidence is there. The core vote is dwindling, and it can't be revived by a lurch left or right.
The fact that the Tories are losing votes both to the loony right and the social democrat centre shows that their problem is not policy as such (though it is that as well) but integrity and competence.
They need, of course, to risk losing votes to the loonies, because elections are won from the centre.
Only if the other party isn't also centrist, which doesn't apply now Starmer is the most centrist Labour leader since Blair.
Hence Sunak first needs to regain votes lost to his right to Reform to narrow the scale of defeat, in opposition the Tories will then need to hope Labour fail to grow the economy and inflation grows again
Regarding university and jobs... I think going to a high level university can give you a problematic over-confidence. I know lots of people who went to high level universities and particularly from high status families who then cannot reconcile themselves to doing some kind of ordinary job.
They can at least expect a reasonable inheritance however and still have had a high status education
That 9% now voting Reform is closer to the 12% who voted UKIP in 2015 than the 3% who voted Brexit party or UKIP in 2019.
Sunak cannot afford to keep leaking Tory voters to his right to Reform, especially given the votes he has already lost in the redwall and other marginal seats Boris won to Labour
Yeah, but those REFUK voters don't really exist, which is why REFUK does so badly in real elections, and the Tories don't benefit from their real vote being lower.
They did exist in 2015 when 12% voted UKIP and most of those voters who voted Conservative in 2017 and 2019 are now voting ReformUK.
At the same time Sunak has lost redwall Leave voters Boris won in 2019 back to Labour and many Remain voters who voted for Cameron are voting for Starmer or the LDs
We’ve all sorts on here, but, AFAIK, nobody has made a case for ReformUK.
I think UK needs reform but I suspect I’m a long, long way from being a ReformUK voter!
LuckyGuy or Richard Tyndall and maybe Pagan probably closest to ReformUK on here
London Mayor Sadiq Khan says if Suella Braverman had any honour she would resign - and if not, Rishi Sunak should sack her. "If he doesn't, he's either too weak to do so or he agrees with her."
Oops. That won't please the "close mickey mouse courses" brigade.
I think it is courses like nursing, policing, town planning, engineering, surveying, teaching etc that actually lead to solid jobs.
The trouble with degrees is the number that do a degree mickey mouse or otherwise and actually get a job relevant to their degree which is why I am wary of figures like this. For example growing up I have a friend who got a first in marine biology, not something most would class as a mickey mouse degree....still no jobs for him in that line and as he didnt want to leave cornwall last time we met he was still a waiter in a cafe
my point is that the degrees that lead to jobs are those that involve specific work based qualifications and for the most part these are in the "ex poly's". In my own field most people go on day release to get qualified after their first degree (or increasingly as a first degree, ie as an apprenticeship); the ex-polys generally have much lower fees.
I got a first from a Russell Group uni in my first degree (history) but has never been of any significance to my career. Maybe it looks impressive to people reading my CV but it is a totally minor thing. I've got friends from uni who never had any career aspirations and are now doing minimum wage work.
The degrees that lead to the highest paid graduate jobs ie law and medicine, economics, Maths, engineering, IT etc however are all found in Russell Group universities
Weirdly in the article / research it is claimed the average law graduate from Liverpool is on £29k a year, 5 years after graduating. Its seemed very low to me.
One other thing that struck me, its was being talked up that the success stories from polys were on £32-35k a year, again 5 years after graduating. It just shows how grad salaries haven't kept pace with general cost of living over the past 20 years or wider salaries e.g. 2000, median uk wage was 18k, average grad salary was that straight out of uni and most of my cohort got jobs significantly in excess of that e.g. more like £25k to be one a good grad scheme....now median uk wage is 35k, and "success" is 5 years down the line you might just be on that.
Despite failing to win a parliamentary seat before, though he came close in Thanet in 2015, Farage did at one stage lead a party which led the Tories and Labour in some polls in June 2019 after May delayed Brexit in the form of the Brexit Party. He also one the European elections in 2019 and in 2014 too with UKIP.
I highly doubt he will ever be Conservative leader though, CCHQ would block him getting on the parliamentary candidates list for starters unless say Braverman or Rees Mogg were Tory leader
If Farage had stood for the Conservatives in South Thanet in 2015, he would have won. If he were to stand for the Conservatives in 2024 in East Thanet, Brigg and Immingham, South Holland and the Deepings, for example, he would win. If the Conservatives want Farage, he would win a seat. The question is, would the Conservatives want Farage?
CCHQ wouldn't, Sunak wouldn't, Conservative Party members would. However the latter can only select parliamentary candidates from a list CCHQ have approved
Would Braverman or Badenoch?
Maybe, as would Rees Mogg but they have to become Leader first
I could envisage Braverman or Badenoch as LOTO after the GE, but not Rees-Mogg, partly because I expect him to lose his seat.
I expect Rees Mogg to hold his seat due to split Labour and LD opposition, Labour and the LDs were only 2% apart in his seat in 2019.
His chance to be leader will come if the Tories lose the general election after next, as it did for Corbyn when he became leader not when Labour lost power in 2010 but when it lose its second general election in 2015
by Leon · October 2022 · Home› General Amongst many many other things, the skilful execution of the Kerch Bridge attack elevates the possibility that it was the Ukes who blew up Nordstream 2
That Baltic Sea pipeline … 'Roman Chervinsky, a decorated 48-year-old colonel who served in Ukraine’s Special Operations Forces, was the “coordinator” of the Nord Stream operation, people familiar with his role said, managing logistics and support for a six-person team that rented a sailboat under false identities and used deep-sea diving equipment to place explosive charges on the gas pipelines. On Sept. 26, 2022, three explosions caused massive leaks on the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines, which run from Russia to Germany under the Baltic Sea. The attack left only one of the four gas links in the network intact as winter approached.' https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/11/11/nordstream-bombing-ukraine-chervinsky/
We've known it was Ukraine for about 18 months now.
What's really amazing, though, is how fungible energy markets turned out to be, and that therefore Europe sailed through last winter without significant disruption.
And now, a year on, Europe's natural gas storage is 99.5% full ahead of winter.
Does the UK have any natural gas storage yet, or would that require capital investment at the expense of dividends?
Nine police officers injured, Met assistant commissioner says Nine police officers were injured during today's protests, with two requiring hospital treatment, assistant commissioner Matt Twist says.
In a statement, Twist says one officer suffered a fractured elbow and the other a suspected dislocated hip.
"The extreme violence from the right-wing protesters towards the police today was extraordinary and deeply concerning," he says, referring to the group of "largely football hooligans" who "spent most of the day attacking or threatening officers".
Despite failing to win a parliamentary seat before, though he came close in Thanet in 2015, Farage did at one stage lead a party which led the Tories and Labour in some polls in June 2019 after May delayed Brexit in the form of the Brexit Party. He also one the European elections in 2019 and in 2014 too with UKIP.
I highly doubt he will ever be Conservative leader though, CCHQ would block him getting on the parliamentary candidates list for starters unless say Braverman or Rees Mogg were Tory leader
If Farage had stood for the Conservatives in South Thanet in 2015, he would have won. If he were to stand for the Conservatives in 2024 in East Thanet, Brigg and Immingham, South Holland and the Deepings, for example, he would win. If the Conservatives want Farage, he would win a seat. The question is, would the Conservatives want Farage?
CCHQ wouldn't, Sunak wouldn't, Conservative Party members would. However the latter can only select parliamentary candidates from a list CCHQ have approved
Would Braverman or Badenoch?
Maybe, as would Rees Mogg but they have to become Leader first
I could envisage Braverman or Badenoch as LOTO after the GE, but not Rees-Mogg, partly because I expect him to lose his seat.
I expect Rees Mogg to hold his seat due to split Labour and LD opposition.
His chance to be leader will come if the Tories lose the general election after next, as it did for Corbyn when he became leader not when Labour lost power in 2010 but when it lose its second general election in 2015
As Rees-Mogg is such a divisive character, I would be very surprised if Labour and Lib Dem voters don’t work out who has the best chance of unseating him, and vote accordingly, even if their party leaders can’t. See, for example, South Beds.
That 9% now voting Reform is closer to the 12% who voted UKIP in 2015 than the 3% who voted Brexit party or UKIP in 2019.
Sunak cannot afford to keep leaking Tory voters to his right to Reform, especially given the votes he has already lost in the redwall and other marginal seats Boris won to Labour
Yeah, but those REFUK voters don't really exist, which is why REFUK does so badly in real elections, and the Tories don't benefit from their real vote being lower.
They did exist in 2015 when 12% voted UKIP and most of those voters who voted Conservative in 2017 and 2019 are now voting ReformUK.
At the same time Sunak has lost redwall Leave voters Boris won in 2019 back to Labour and many Remain voters who voted for Cameron are voting for Starmer or the LDs
We’ve all sorts on here, but, AFAIK, nobody has made a case for ReformUK.
I think UK needs reform but I suspect I’m a long, long way from being a ReformUK voter!
LuckyGuy or Richard Tyndall and maybe Pagan probably closest to ReformUK on here
I think a Tyndall eyebrow might be raised at that suggestion.
Nine police officers injured, Met assistant commissioner says Nine police officers were injured during today's protests, with two requiring hospital treatment, assistant commissioner Matt Twist says.
In a statement, Twist says one officer suffered a fractured elbow and the other a suspected dislocated hip.
"The extreme violence from the right-wing protesters towards the police today was extraordinary and deeply concerning," he says, referring to the group of "largely football hooligans" who "spent most of the day attacking or threatening officers".
Again, you fucking numbskull, there was 200 of them. My football holligan friend said it was "more pathetic than Bournemouth v Yeovil" - and he is a Bournemouth fan
There were 300,000 marchers, and 5-10% of them were NASTY
Here:
"This man tried to stab @SavaSavadkoohi with a knife today at 3:15 pm at Vauxhall Bridge in London because Sava carried a sign saying “Hamas is Isis”
Fortunately, @GhorbaniiNiyak , stopped him, unmasked him & took this picture.
Retweet it so the @metpoliceuk police can find him."
Re: tax. The biggest and best thing anyone could do is removing the moronic cliff edge at £100k. Regardless of your political viewpoint, it’s beyond insane. Make it 45p by all means. But attacking the personal allowance is stupid, a massive disincentive to earn more. Anyone with half a brain cell can see the 40p claim is a big lie. A PR exercise gone badly wrong.
Officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration in Grosvenor Place.
The group were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings. Officers are using their Section 60 and 60AA powers to detain and search those involved.
Leon, Flinter Knappers Gazette, our man on the spot.
So that’s 150 troublemakers out of 300,000 marchers. 0.05%.
And yet, our destitute man’s version of Alan Whicker scoffs at descriptions of today’s march for Palestine as largely peaceful and then wonders why people don’t take him seriously.
Top tip: don’t attempt to style yourself as Kate Adie when your substance is Katie Hopkins.
The chances of @Leon writing objectively on any issue involving Muslims is pretty slim.
And yet, time and again, I’m right. To an almost embarrassing degree
Yeah. The Pro-Palestinian side used What3Words to find the Cenotaph.
Your lack of self-awareness is what’s embarrassing.
Re: tax. The biggest and best thing anyone could do is removing the moronic cliff edge at £100k. Regardless of your political viewpoint, it’s beyond insane. Make it 45p by all means. But attacking the personal allowance is stupid, a massive disincentive to earn more. Anyone with half a brain cell can see the 40p claim is a big lie. A PR exercise gone badly wrong.
I think plenty of us have said this when Brown did it and when current government did it. The problem is it is often well received by the public of yeahhhhh tax the rich more, without really understanding what is going on.
Its stupid because people on that kind of money have flexibility in their job to normally to just work less or negotiate packages that take income in another kind. So it doesn't get your more tax in and its bad for UK GDP.
and no i dont vote conservative since 2010 when they went left wing
You mean left of the extreme right. They were centre ground under Cameron. Forgetting May, then Boris the loon took over and we are where we are. Right wing loons will inevitably lead to defeat.
Pfft this government has been higher tax and more redistrubitive than even atlees government, it is not right wing in the least. People like to call it that because they are left wing loons
When even The Times is starting to launch campaigns against high tax, as it has today, you know you've got a problem.
And yet our overall taxation is not particularly high compared with our northern European neighbours:
Nine police officers injured, Met assistant commissioner says Nine police officers were injured during today's protests, with two requiring hospital treatment, assistant commissioner Matt Twist says.
In a statement, Twist says one officer suffered a fractured elbow and the other a suspected dislocated hip.
"The extreme violence from the right-wing protesters towards the police today was extraordinary and deeply concerning," he says, referring to the group of "largely football hooligans" who "spent most of the day attacking or threatening officers".
Again, you fucking numbskull, there was 200 of them. My football holligan friend said it was "more pathetic than Bournemouth v Yeovil" - and he is a Bournemouth fan
There were 300,000 marchers, and 5-10% of them were NASTY
Here:
"This man tried to stab @SavaSavadkoohi with a knife today at 3:15 pm at Vauxhall Bridge in London because Sava carried a sign saying “Hamas is Isis”
Fortunately, @GhorbaniiNiyak , stopped him, unmasked him & took this picture.
Retweet it so the @metpoliceuk police can find him."
Re: tax. The biggest and best thing anyone could do is removing the moronic cliff edge at £100k. Regardless of your political viewpoint, it’s beyond insane. Make it 45p by all means. But attacking the personal allowance is stupid, a massive disincentive to earn more. Anyone with half a brain cell can see the 40p claim is a big lie. A PR exercise gone badly wrong.
I think plenty of us have said this when Brown did it and when current government did it. The problem is it is often well received by the public of yeahhhhh tax the rich more, without really understanding what is going on.
Its stupid because people on that kind of money have flexibility in their job to normally to just work less or negotiate packages that take income in another kind. So it doesn't get your more tax in and its bad for UK GDP.
Absolutely right. If you have a good year and end up flirting with the threshold you just take steps to avoid it (buy an expensive bike; throw it into a pension). Nobody in their right mind will voluntarily declare £105k because they don’t want HMRC obliterating their tax code and having to wait x years to recover it.
Every single PB-er who proclaimed that Putin blew up Nordstream - against all the laws of motive, etc - should now retire in mortal shame
Yet they won't. They won't even say Oops, sorry. They will just carry on posting the same delusional nonsense
It was and is considered 'right thinking' to defend Ukraine and attack Russia, regardless of likelihood - even in the face of it. I can't get behind that sort of perspective.
That 9% now voting Reform is closer to the 12% who voted UKIP in 2015 than the 3% who voted Brexit party or UKIP in 2019.
Sunak cannot afford to keep leaking Tory voters to his right to Reform, especially given the votes he has already lost in the redwall and other marginal seats Boris won to Labour
Yeah, but those REFUK voters don't really exist, which is why REFUK does so badly in real elections, and the Tories don't benefit from their real vote being lower.
They did exist in 2015 when 12% voted UKIP and most of those voters who voted Conservative in 2017 and 2019 are now voting ReformUK.
At the same time Sunak has lost redwall Leave voters Boris won in 2019 back to Labour and many Remain voters who voted for Cameron are voting for Starmer or the LDs
We’ve all sorts on here, but, AFAIK, nobody has made a case for ReformUK.
I think UK needs reform but I suspect I’m a long, long way from being a ReformUK voter!
LuckyGuy or Richard Tyndall and maybe Pagan probably closest to ReformUK on here
I think a Tyndall eyebrow might be raised at that suggestion.
Despite failing to win a parliamentary seat before, though he came close in Thanet in 2015, Farage did at one stage lead a party which led the Tories and Labour in some polls in June 2019 after May delayed Brexit in the form of the Brexit Party. He also one the European elections in 2019 and in 2014 too with UKIP.
I highly doubt he will ever be Conservative leader though, CCHQ would block him getting on the parliamentary candidates list for starters unless say Braverman or Rees Mogg were Tory leader
If Farage had stood for the Conservatives in South Thanet in 2015, he would have won. If he were to stand for the Conservatives in 2024 in East Thanet, Brigg and Immingham, South Holland and the Deepings, for example, he would win. If the Conservatives want Farage, he would win a seat. The question is, would the Conservatives want Farage?
CCHQ wouldn't, Sunak wouldn't, Conservative Party members would. However the latter can only select parliamentary candidates from a list CCHQ have approved
Would Braverman or Badenoch?
Maybe, as would Rees Mogg but they have to become Leader first
I could envisage Braverman or Badenoch as LOTO after the GE, but not Rees-Mogg, partly because I expect him to lose his seat.
I expect Rees Mogg to hold his seat due to split Labour and LD opposition.
His chance to be leader will come if the Tories lose the general election after next, as it did for Corbyn when he became leader not when Labour lost power in 2010 but when it lose its second general election in 2015
As Rees-Mogg is such a divisive character, I would be very surprised if Labour and Lib Dem voters don’t work out who has the best chance of unseating him, and vote accordingly, even if their party leaders can’t. See, for example, South Beds.
Mid Beds Labour and the LDs were 9% apart in 2019 not just 2% apart like in Rees Mogg's seat
"Distressed to hear reports from West Hampstead that a home with a Jewish symbol was defaced with red paint. Pure antisemitism. I hope perpetrators are caught & met with the full force of the law. Appreciate emotions running high but this kind of hooliganism undermines any cause."
Shopping in Sainsburys Beckton and as 11am approached, the store announced they were going to observe the two minute silence. When 11am came I was bent over a shopping trolley arguing with some leeks (as you do), the staff stopped, 95% of the shoppers stopped. Those who didn't were people using the self-service checkout including one young man carrying on his phone conversation with his headphones on and three or four elderly couples who just carried on with their shopping. I must confess I didn't think charitable thoughts toward the elderly at that point.
On the way up to Wanstead for a late lunch, saw a dozen women with flags and banners heading for Manor Park to catch the train into London replete with Palestinian flags and placards.
Wanstead about as far removed from East Ham socially and culturally as you can imagine - a group of scouts outside Tesco selling poppies.
The bus home - rammed with people heading for Diwali events.
If it's any consolation the elderly in question might have been deaf and not realised the announcement.
A number of people seem to have thought the minutes silence is tomorrow.
I was down at the rowing club this morning. Told the coach as we were going on the water. He was surprised - and he’s ex-army.
Come 11, called “easy” and we stopped. The coaches all talk to each other on the radio. Nearly all the other boats out stopped as well.
Oops. That won't please the "close mickey mouse courses" brigade.
I think it is courses like nursing, policing, town planning, engineering, surveying, teaching etc that actually lead to solid jobs.
The trouble with degrees is the number that do a degree mickey mouse or otherwise and actually get a job relevant to their degree which is why I am wary of figures like this. For example growing up I have a friend who got a first in marine biology, not something most would class as a mickey mouse degree....still no jobs for him in that line and as he didnt want to leave cornwall last time we met he was still a waiter in a cafe
my point is that the degrees that lead to jobs are those that involve specific work based qualifications and for the most part these are in the "ex poly's". In my own field most people go on day release to get qualified after their first degree (or increasingly as a first degree, ie as an apprenticeship); the ex-polys generally have much lower fees.
I got a first from a Russell Group uni in my first degree (history) but has never been of any significance to my career. Maybe it looks impressive to people reading my CV but it is a totally minor thing. I've got friends from uni who never had any career aspirations and are now doing minimum wage work.
The degrees that lead to the highest paid graduate jobs ie law and medicine, economics, Maths, engineering, IT etc however are all found in Russell Group universities
Weirdly in the article / research it is claimed the average law graduate from Liverpool is on £29k a year, 5 years after graduating. Its seemed very low to me.
One other thing that struck me, its was being talked up that the success stories from polys were on £32-35k a year, again 5 years after graduating. It just shows how grad salaries haven't kept pace with general cost of living over the past 20 years or wider salaries e.g. 2000, median uk wage was 18k, average grad salary was that straight out of uni and most of my cohort got jobs significantly in excess of that e.g. more like £25k to be one a good grad scheme....now median uk wage is 35k, and "success" is 5 years down the line you might just be on that.
Every single PB-er who proclaimed that Putin blew up Nordstream - against all the laws of motive, etc - should now retire in mortal shame
Yet they won't. They won't even say Oops, sorry. They will just carry on posting the same delusional nonsense
Regular poster on message board gets tumescent when Washington Post article agrees with his prior speculation. Experts on poster’s output say any subsequent reports suggesting contrary positions will likely be ignored in masturbatory frenzy.
"Distressed to hear reports from West Hampstead that a home with a Jewish symbol was defaced with red paint. Pure antisemitism. I hope perpetrators are caught & met with the full force of the law. Appreciate emotions running high but this kind of hooliganism undermines any cause."
Every single PB-er who proclaimed that Putin blew up Nordstream - against all the laws of motive, etc - should now retire in mortal shame
Yet they won't. They won't even say Oops, sorry. They will just carry on posting the same delusional nonsense
It was and is considered 'right thinking' to defend Ukraine and attack Russia, regardless of likelihood - even in the face of it. I can't get behind that sort of perspective.
It is completely bizarre. It's not even a moral point, you simply have to consider the pros and cons of blowing up Nordstream, and cui bono, and your answer is obvious. There was almost no reason for Putin to do it (he paid for the pipeline! - and he could simply turn off the gas) and there was massive reason for "someone on the other side" to do it, and the Americans literally and publicly promised that "Nordstream will be ended, it will be done", if Russia attacked Ukraine - they said this multiple times. Biden said it at a press conference
Obviously therefore, it was done by America, but probably via a proxy with US assistance, to maintain plausible deniability. Poland or Ukraine soon became the obvious candidates with maybe the UK third
It is basic logic. Turns out it was Ukraine. Only cretins can be shocked by this
That 9% now voting Reform is closer to the 12% who voted UKIP in 2015 than the 3% who voted Brexit party or UKIP in 2019.
Sunak cannot afford to keep leaking Tory voters to his right to Reform, especially given the votes he has already lost in the redwall and other marginal seats Boris won to Labour
Yeah, but those REFUK voters don't really exist, which is why REFUK does so badly in real elections, and the Tories don't benefit from their real vote being lower.
They did exist in 2015 when 12% voted UKIP and most of those voters who voted Conservative in 2017 and 2019 are now voting ReformUK.
At the same time Sunak has lost redwall Leave voters Boris won in 2019 back to Labour and many Remain voters who voted for Cameron are voting for Starmer or the LDs
We’ve all sorts on here, but, AFAIK, nobody has made a case for ReformUK.
I think UK needs reform but I suspect I’m a long, long way from being a ReformUK voter!
LuckyGuy or Richard Tyndall and maybe Pagan probably closest to ReformUK on here
I'm sure @Richard_Tyndall can speak for himself but I can't see he has practically anything in common with Reform. With the exception of Brexit I think.my politics are very similar to his and I'm a million miles away from Reform.
I just want to point out that PB actually got better reportage from me than it did from the BBC
If you’ve been following the BBC all day you will now be amazed to hear that this largely peaceful march has now suddenly ended in violence, with fireworks aimed at cops and various scuffles, stabbings etc
Meanwhile I warned you about the fireworks three hours ago and also clued you up on a deeply sinister element within the march, surely bent on violence
Ever since I can remember, all marches (that aren’t organised by lunatics) go like this -
- The largely peaceful types leave at the end. - The obstreperous types stay a bit longer. - The police fighting fuckwits have a go late in the evening.
The ratios of each tell you about the organisation of the march.
"Distressed to hear reports from West Hampstead that a home with a Jewish symbol was defaced with red paint. Pure antisemitism. I hope perpetrators are caught & met with the full force of the law. Appreciate emotions running high but this kind of hooliganism undermines any cause."
"Distressed to hear reports from West Hampstead that a home with a Jewish symbol was defaced with red paint. Pure antisemitism. I hope perpetrators are caught & met with the full force of the law. Appreciate emotions running high but this kind of hooliganism undermines any cause."
That 9% now voting Reform is closer to the 12% who voted UKIP in 2015 than the 3% who voted Brexit party or UKIP in 2019.
Sunak cannot afford to keep leaking Tory voters to his right to Reform, especially given the votes he has already lost in the redwall and other marginal seats Boris won to Labour
Yeah, but those REFUK voters don't really exist, which is why REFUK does so badly in real elections, and the Tories don't benefit from their real vote being lower.
They did exist in 2015 when 12% voted UKIP and most of those voters who voted Conservative in 2017 and 2019 are now voting ReformUK.
At the same time Sunak has lost redwall Leave voters Boris won in 2019 back to Labour and many Remain voters who voted for Cameron are voting for Starmer or the LDs
We’ve all sorts on here, but, AFAIK, nobody has made a case for ReformUK.
I think UK needs reform but I suspect I’m a long, long way from being a ReformUK voter!
LuckyGuy or Richard Tyndall and maybe Pagan probably closest to ReformUK on here
I'm sure @Richard_Tyndall can speak for himself but I can't see he has practically anything in common with Reform. With the exception of Brexit I think.my politics are very similar to his and I'm a million miles away from Reform.
Yep. I dont see UKIP/Brexit Party/Reform as being particularly Liberal/Libertarian. They are just as authoritarian as the other parties but with different targets for their animus.
The old Liverpool Liberals would probably be closest to my views of any party in the last 50 years but sadly they are no more.
That 9% now voting Reform is closer to the 12% who voted UKIP in 2015 than the 3% who voted Brexit party or UKIP in 2019.
Sunak cannot afford to keep leaking Tory voters to his right to Reform, especially given the votes he has already lost in the redwall and other marginal seats Boris won to Labour
Yeah, but those REFUK voters don't really exist, which is why REFUK does so badly in real elections, and the Tories don't benefit from their real vote being lower.
They did exist in 2015 when 12% voted UKIP and most of those voters who voted Conservative in 2017 and 2019 are now voting ReformUK.
At the same time Sunak has lost redwall Leave voters Boris won in 2019 back to Labour and many Remain voters who voted for Cameron are voting for Starmer or the LDs
We’ve all sorts on here, but, AFAIK, nobody has made a case for ReformUK.
I think UK needs reform but I suspect I’m a long, long way from being a ReformUK voter!
LuckyGuy or Richard Tyndall and maybe Pagan probably closest to ReformUK on here
I think a Tyndall eyebrow might be raised at that suggestion.
He voted UKIP in 2015
So? Even I voted for the Brexit Party in our last ever Euros in 2019!
"Distressed to hear reports from West Hampstead that a home with a Jewish symbol was defaced with red paint. Pure antisemitism. I hope perpetrators are caught & met with the full force of the law. Appreciate emotions running high but this kind of hooliganism undermines any cause."
You are a nasty little shit aren’t you. West Hampstead? We all have varying degrees of knowledge of London. I was born there. Others may live there. Some will be visitors. However all of us know that West Hampstead is roughly three and a half miles from the start of the march and five from its end.
This was a vile anti-Semitic incident. Basic geography, something given your profession you clearly have, makes it clear that there is little or no evidence to connect it specifically to today’s demonstration.
But that doesn’t matter to you does it? All you care about is reaction. Driving interest in your writing. Truth comes a long way back in your list of priorities. Inflame passions to get likes. You are everything that’s wrong with the media elite.
"Distressed to hear reports from West Hampstead that a home with a Jewish symbol was defaced with red paint. Pure antisemitism. I hope perpetrators are caught & met with the full force of the law. Appreciate emotions running high but this kind of hooliganism undermines any cause."
Every single PB-er who proclaimed that Putin blew up Nordstream - against all the laws of motive, etc - should now retire in mortal shame
Yet they won't. They won't even say Oops, sorry. They will just carry on posting the same delusional nonsense
When it comes to delusional nonsense, your expertise can’t really be questioned.
I think @leon has lost it big time over the last few days. Over 100 posts yesterday and absolute desperation day after day to try and convince us he has predicted stuff correctly. Can't think of anyone else who has posted so prolifically and desperate for such recognition. Think he needs to connect with some humans in the flesh and get off here for a bit.
"Distressed to hear reports from West Hampstead that a home with a Jewish symbol was defaced with red paint. Pure antisemitism. I hope perpetrators are caught & met with the full force of the law. Appreciate emotions running high but this kind of hooliganism undermines any cause."
West Hampstead is miles from the march route though, surely? The march was clearly peaceful, as such things go.
This is a horrible, disgusting hate crime & I hope the perpetrators are caught.
If you're driving down from Luton or Bradford or Rochdale or Blackburn or wherever, into central London, you pass through Jewish north London. I suggest this is how this happened "coincidentally" on the same day that lots of people from northern England came to London for a protest against Israel
We know this is likely because it has happened before
"Do you remember when these scumbags from Blackburn drove to Jewish areas in London & started shouting ‘rape the jewish women, rape their daughters’? Did you know they were arrested but not prosecuted? 🤔 Maybe police ‘specialists’ said there were different interpretations of rape…"
"Distressed to hear reports from West Hampstead that a home with a Jewish symbol was defaced with red paint. Pure antisemitism. I hope perpetrators are caught & met with the full force of the law. Appreciate emotions running high but this kind of hooliganism undermines any cause."
You are a nasty little shit aren’t you. West Hampstead? We all have varying degrees of knowledge of London. I was born there. Others may live there. Some will be visitors. However all of us know that West Hampstead is roughly three and a half miles from the start of the march and five from its end.
This was a vile anti-Semitic incident. Basic geography, something given your profession you clearly have, makes it clear that there is little or no evidence to connect it specifically to today’s demonstration.
But that doesn’t matter to you does it? All you care about is reaction. Driving interest in your writing. Truth comes a long way back in your list of priorities. Inflame passions to get likes. You are everything that’s wrong with the media elite.
That 9% now voting Reform is closer to the 12% who voted UKIP in 2015 than the 3% who voted Brexit party or UKIP in 2019.
Sunak cannot afford to keep leaking Tory voters to his right to Reform, especially given the votes he has already lost in the redwall and other marginal seats Boris won to Labour
Yeah, but those REFUK voters don't really exist, which is why REFUK does so badly in real elections, and the Tories don't benefit from their real vote being lower.
They did exist in 2015 when 12% voted UKIP and most of those voters who voted Conservative in 2017 and 2019 are now voting ReformUK.
At the same time Sunak has lost redwall Leave voters Boris won in 2019 back to Labour and many Remain voters who voted for Cameron are voting for Starmer or the LDs
We’ve all sorts on here, but, AFAIK, nobody has made a case for ReformUK.
I think UK needs reform but I suspect I’m a long, long way from being a ReformUK voter!
LuckyGuy or Richard Tyndall and maybe Pagan probably closest to ReformUK on here
I think a Tyndall eyebrow might be raised at that suggestion.
I have never voted reform uk nor would i, neither ukip. They do not conform in the least with what I think
I just want to point out that PB actually got better reportage from me than it did from the BBC
If you’ve been following the BBC all day you will now be amazed to hear that this largely peaceful march has now suddenly ended in violence, with fireworks aimed at cops and various scuffles, stabbings etc
Meanwhile I warned you about the fireworks three hours ago and also clued you up on a deeply sinister element within the march, surely bent on violence
Ever since I can remember, all marches (that aren’t organised by lunatics) go like this -
- The largely peaceful types leave at the end. - The obstreperous types stay a bit longer. - The police fighting fuckwits have a go late in the evening.
The ratios of each tell you about the organisation of the march.
Agree with that. And today, the vast, vast majority of the 300k or however many dispersed peacefully before the remaining 150 or so decided to have a firework display.
"Distressed to hear reports from West Hampstead that a home with a Jewish symbol was defaced with red paint. Pure antisemitism. I hope perpetrators are caught & met with the full force of the law. Appreciate emotions running high but this kind of hooliganism undermines any cause."
You are a nasty little shit aren’t you. West Hampstead? We all have varying degrees of knowledge of London. I was born there. Others may live there. Some will be visitors. However all of us know that West Hampstead is roughly three and a half miles from the start of the march and five from its end.
This was a vile anti-Semitic incident. Basic geography, something given your profession you clearly have, makes it clear that there is little or no evidence to connect it specifically to today’s demonstration.
But that doesn’t matter to you does it? All you care about is reaction. Driving interest in your writing. Truth comes a long way back in your list of priorities. Inflame passions to get likes. You are everything that’s wrong with the media elite.
It's the same day
And the day after SpaceX installed the FTS on Starship 25/Super Heavy 9 stack.
The assistant commissioners statement shows the unhappiness within the Met police at the Tories attempts to fan the flames .
You assume anyone gives a shit what the met police think, they have proved they are c*nts over and over. I would prefer the whole lot were sacked
Anyone supporting the met is showing a distinct lack of distinction, this is a force that happily employs rapists and paedophiles and then some how cant sack them
I just want to point out that PB actually got better reportage from me than it did from the BBC
If you’ve been following the BBC all day you will now be amazed to hear that this largely peaceful march has now suddenly ended in violence, with fireworks aimed at cops and various scuffles, stabbings etc
Meanwhile I warned you about the fireworks three hours ago and also clued you up on a deeply sinister element within the march, surely bent on violence
Ever since I can remember, all marches (that aren’t organised by lunatics) go like this -
- The largely peaceful types leave at the end. - The obstreperous types stay a bit longer. - The police fighting fuckwits have a go late in the evening.
The ratios of each tell you about the organisation of the march.
Agree with that. And today, the vast, vast majority of the 300k or however many dispersed peacefully before the remaining 150 or so decided to have a firework display.
I was there, bruv
The fireworks came from all over: I have the photos. The idea this was just "150" is comforting garbage
By the end it WAS down to a hardcore - of several thousand, maybe 10-15,000
More evidence. This was an anti-Semitic hate march
"Just an endless convoy. Horns beeping, shouting, faces covered.
Hostile on the tube. Loads of flags. Chanting, numbers - extremely intimidating. I kept my eyes to the floor after being challenged with aggressive stares from several people - again - with faces covered.
More of this next weekend? Is this just a thing now?"
"Distressed to hear reports from West Hampstead that a home with a Jewish symbol was defaced with red paint. Pure antisemitism. I hope perpetrators are caught & met with the full force of the law. Appreciate emotions running high but this kind of hooliganism undermines any cause."
You are a nasty little shit aren’t you. West Hampstead? We all have varying degrees of knowledge of London. I was born there. Others may live there. Some will be visitors. However all of us know that West Hampstead is roughly three and a half miles from the start of the march and five from its end.
This was a vile anti-Semitic incident. Basic geography, something given your profession you clearly have, makes it clear that there is little or no evidence to connect it specifically to today’s demonstration.
But that doesn’t matter to you does it? All you care about is reaction. Driving interest in your writing. Truth comes a long way back in your list of priorities. Inflame passions to get likes. You are everything that’s wrong with the media elite.
People like you are the reason the Nazis thrived. People like you in Germany in the early 1930s, desperate not to see what was in front of them, hiding in plain sight
The assistant commissioners statement shows the unhappiness within the Met police at the Tories attempts to fan the flames .
You assume anyone gives a shit what the met police think, they have proved they are c*nts over and over. I would prefer the whole lot were sacked
They did a good job today and should be applauded. When they get things right it’s only fair to give them praise . No ones ignoring what’s happened in the past .
"Distressed to hear reports from West Hampstead that a home with a Jewish symbol was defaced with red paint. Pure antisemitism. I hope perpetrators are caught & met with the full force of the law. Appreciate emotions running high but this kind of hooliganism undermines any cause."
West Hampstead is miles from the march route though, surely? The march was clearly peaceful, as such things go.
This is a horrible, disgusting hate crime & I hope the perpetrators are caught.
Just a coincidence this happens on the same day, then?
The original tweet has now been edited btw.
An update: Initial reports suggested this was antisemitism, but there is an investigation underway that is exploring different possible motives. Hearing from councillors who have visited the scene that paint is in fact not red, it is pink and yellow. Will update as I hear more.
The assistant commissioners statement shows the unhappiness within the Met police at the Tories attempts to fan the flames .
You assume anyone gives a shit what the met police think, they have proved they are c*nts over and over. I would prefer the whole lot were sacked
They did a good job today and should be applauded. When they get things right it’s only fair to give them praise . No ones ignoring what’s happened in the past .
I am sure the po also did some things right. The met have a hugely long history of doing things wrong however
That 9% now voting Reform is closer to the 12% who voted UKIP in 2015 than the 3% who voted Brexit party or UKIP in 2019.
Sunak cannot afford to keep leaking Tory voters to his right to Reform, especially given the votes he has already lost in the redwall and other marginal seats Boris won to Labour
Yeah, but those REFUK voters don't really exist, which is why REFUK does so badly in real elections, and the Tories don't benefit from their real vote being lower.
They did exist in 2015 when 12% voted UKIP and most of those voters who voted Conservative in 2017 and 2019 are now voting ReformUK.
At the same time Sunak has lost redwall Leave voters Boris won in 2019 back to Labour and many Remain voters who voted for Cameron are voting for Starmer or the LDs
We’ve all sorts on here, but, AFAIK, nobody has made a case for ReformUK.
I think UK needs reform but I suspect I’m a long, long way from being a ReformUK voter!
LuckyGuy or Richard Tyndall and maybe Pagan probably closest to ReformUK on here
I think a Tyndall eyebrow might be raised at that suggestion.
I have never voted reform uk nor would i, neither ukip. They do not conform in the least with what I think
Your comments tonight are certainly closer to Reform UK than Starmer Labour, the LDs or even the Sunak Tories
"Distressed to hear reports from West Hampstead that a home with a Jewish symbol was defaced with red paint. Pure antisemitism. I hope perpetrators are caught & met with the full force of the law. Appreciate emotions running high but this kind of hooliganism undermines any cause."
West Hampstead is miles from the march route though, surely? The march was clearly peaceful, as such things go.
This is a horrible, disgusting hate crime & I hope the perpetrators are caught.
Just a coincidence this happens on the same day, then?
The original tweet has now been edited btw.
An update: Initial reports suggested this was antisemitism, but there is an investigation underway that is exploring different possible motives. Hearing from councillors who have visited the scene that paint is in fact not red, it is pink and yellow. Will update as I hear more.
lol. I'm not sure the change in paint colour is relevant?!
But fair enough if they can prove this wasn't anti-Semitic
All the other reports - hundreds of them, now - of anti-Semitic abuse, scuffles, violence, do not give one hope
That Baltic Sea pipeline … 'Roman Chervinsky, a decorated 48-year-old colonel who served in Ukraine’s Special Operations Forces, was the “coordinator” of the Nord Stream operation, people familiar with his role said, managing logistics and support for a six-person team that rented a sailboat under false identities and used deep-sea diving equipment to place explosive charges on the gas pipelines. On Sept. 26, 2022, three explosions caused massive leaks on the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines, which run from Russia to Germany under the Baltic Sea. The attack left only one of the four gas links in the network intact as winter approached.' https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/11/11/nordstream-bombing-ukraine-chervinsky/
We've known it was Ukraine for about 18 months now.
What's really amazing, though, is how fungible energy markets turned out to be, and that therefore Europe sailed through last winter without significant disruption.
And now, a year on, Europe's natural gas storage is 99.5% full ahead of winter.
Wait, so I was right AGAIN? It wasn't Russia after all?
Knock me dahn with a fevver, etc
Ummm.
Weren't you pushing that it was THE USA that did it?
That 9% now voting Reform is closer to the 12% who voted UKIP in 2015 than the 3% who voted Brexit party or UKIP in 2019.
Sunak cannot afford to keep leaking Tory voters to his right to Reform, especially given the votes he has already lost in the redwall and other marginal seats Boris won to Labour
Yeah, but those REFUK voters don't really exist, which is why REFUK does so badly in real elections, and the Tories don't benefit from their real vote being lower.
They did exist in 2015 when 12% voted UKIP and most of those voters who voted Conservative in 2017 and 2019 are now voting ReformUK.
At the same time Sunak has lost redwall Leave voters Boris won in 2019 back to Labour and many Remain voters who voted for Cameron are voting for Starmer or the LDs
We’ve all sorts on here, but, AFAIK, nobody has made a case for ReformUK.
I think UK needs reform but I suspect I’m a long, long way from being a ReformUK voter!
LuckyGuy or Richard Tyndall and maybe Pagan probably closest to ReformUK on here
I think a Tyndall eyebrow might be raised at that suggestion.
I have never voted reform uk nor would i, neither ukip. They do not conform in the least with what I think
Your comments tonight are certainly closer to Reform UK than Starmer Labour, the LDs or even the Sunak Tories
Well they are also no close to the left wing conservative party which you support
That 9% now voting Reform is closer to the 12% who voted UKIP in 2015 than the 3% who voted Brexit party or UKIP in 2019.
Sunak cannot afford to keep leaking Tory voters to his right to Reform, especially given the votes he has already lost in the redwall and other marginal seats Boris won to Labour
Yeah, but those REFUK voters don't really exist, which is why REFUK does so badly in real elections, and the Tories don't benefit from their real vote being lower.
They did exist in 2015 when 12% voted UKIP and most of those voters who voted Conservative in 2017 and 2019 are now voting ReformUK.
At the same time Sunak has lost redwall Leave voters Boris won in 2019 back to Labour and many Remain voters who voted for Cameron are voting for Starmer or the LDs
We’ve all sorts on here, but, AFAIK, nobody has made a case for ReformUK.
I think UK needs reform but I suspect I’m a long, long way from being a ReformUK voter!
LuckyGuy or Richard Tyndall and maybe Pagan probably closest to ReformUK on here
I think a Tyndall eyebrow might be raised at that suggestion.
I have never voted reform uk nor would i, neither ukip. They do not conform in the least with what I think
Your comments tonight are certainly closer to Reform UK than Starmer Labour, the LDs or even the Sunak Tories
Well they are also no close to the left wing conservative party which you support
That 9% now voting Reform is closer to the 12% who voted UKIP in 2015 than the 3% who voted Brexit party or UKIP in 2019.
Sunak cannot afford to keep leaking Tory voters to his right to Reform, especially given the votes he has already lost in the redwall and other marginal seats Boris won to Labour
Yeah, but those REFUK voters don't really exist, which is why REFUK does so badly in real elections, and the Tories don't benefit from their real vote being lower.
They did exist in 2015 when 12% voted UKIP and most of those voters who voted Conservative in 2017 and 2019 are now voting ReformUK.
At the same time Sunak has lost redwall Leave voters Boris won in 2019 back to Labour and many Remain voters who voted for Cameron are voting for Starmer or the LDs
We’ve all sorts on here, but, AFAIK, nobody has made a case for ReformUK.
I think UK needs reform but I suspect I’m a long, long way from being a ReformUK voter!
LuckyGuy or Richard Tyndall and maybe Pagan probably closest to ReformUK on here
I think a Tyndall eyebrow might be raised at that suggestion.
I have never voted reform uk nor would i, neither ukip. They do not conform in the least with what I think
Your comments tonight are certainly closer to Reform UK than Starmer Labour, the LDs or even the Sunak Tories
Well they are also no close to the left wing conservative party which you support
reform and ukip are also left footers
Is there anyone you would consider as right of centre?
This is why the far right are as thick as pig shit...if you are going to do a hate crime, you might as do it in fancy dress that makes it impossible for the plod to ID you, rather than your civies.
That 9% now voting Reform is closer to the 12% who voted UKIP in 2015 than the 3% who voted Brexit party or UKIP in 2019.
Sunak cannot afford to keep leaking Tory voters to his right to Reform, especially given the votes he has already lost in the redwall and other marginal seats Boris won to Labour
Yeah, but those REFUK voters don't really exist, which is why REFUK does so badly in real elections, and the Tories don't benefit from their real vote being lower.
They did exist in 2015 when 12% voted UKIP and most of those voters who voted Conservative in 2017 and 2019 are now voting ReformUK.
At the same time Sunak has lost redwall Leave voters Boris won in 2019 back to Labour and many Remain voters who voted for Cameron are voting for Starmer or the LDs
We’ve all sorts on here, but, AFAIK, nobody has made a case for ReformUK.
I think UK needs reform but I suspect I’m a long, long way from being a ReformUK voter!
LuckyGuy or Richard Tyndall and maybe Pagan probably closest to ReformUK on here
I think a Tyndall eyebrow might be raised at that suggestion.
I have never voted reform uk nor would i, neither ukip. They do not conform in the least with what I think
Your comments tonight are certainly closer to Reform UK than Starmer Labour, the LDs or even the Sunak Tories
Well they are also no close to the left wing conservative party which you support
reform and ukip are also left footers
Is there anyone you would consider as right of centre?
That Baltic Sea pipeline … 'Roman Chervinsky, a decorated 48-year-old colonel who served in Ukraine’s Special Operations Forces, was the “coordinator” of the Nord Stream operation, people familiar with his role said, managing logistics and support for a six-person team that rented a sailboat under false identities and used deep-sea diving equipment to place explosive charges on the gas pipelines. On Sept. 26, 2022, three explosions caused massive leaks on the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines, which run from Russia to Germany under the Baltic Sea. The attack left only one of the four gas links in the network intact as winter approached.' https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/11/11/nordstream-bombing-ukraine-chervinsky/
We've known it was Ukraine for about 18 months now.
What's really amazing, though, is how fungible energy markets turned out to be, and that therefore Europe sailed through last winter without significant disruption.
And now, a year on, Europe's natural gas storage is 99.5% full ahead of winter.
Wait, so I was right AGAIN? It wasn't Russia after all?
Knock me dahn with a fevver, etc
Ummm.
Weren't you pushing that it was THE USA that did it?
"Distressed to hear reports from West Hampstead that a home with a Jewish symbol was defaced with red paint. Pure antisemitism. I hope perpetrators are caught & met with the full force of the law. Appreciate emotions running high but this kind of hooliganism undermines any cause."
West Hampstead is miles from the march route though, surely? The march was clearly peaceful, as such things go.
This is a horrible, disgusting hate crime & I hope the perpetrators are caught.
Just a coincidence this happens on the same day, then?
The original tweet has now been edited btw.
An update: Initial reports suggested this was antisemitism, but there is an investigation underway that is exploring different possible motives. Hearing from councillors who have visited the scene that paint is in fact not red, it is pink and yellow. Will update as I hear more.
lol. I'm not sure the change in paint colour is relevant?!
But fair enough if they can prove this wasn't anti-Semitic
All the other reports - hundreds of them, now - of anti-Semitic abuse, scuffles, violence, do not give one hope
Sure, but the police (who you defended earlier) are pretty clear who caused more *physical* damage, while acknowledging that the fears of the Jewish community at the moment:
This is the most shameful day in the history of PB. Denying what is obvious: hatred of Jews, celebrated by tens of thousands
No ones denying there were some on the march who were clearly anti Semitic but with that many people that’s not really a huge shock . As disappointing as that was the vast majority were simply supporting a ceasefire.I wonder what would have happened with 300,000 plus EDL marching ?
Those who just want to see an end to the deaths are getting fed up of being lectured to and judged because they don’t think Israel has a free pass to act outside of international law .
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They need, of course, to risk losing votes to the loonies, because elections are won from the centre.
Whether voters consider themselves right or left, what they are really opposed to is incompetence.
And Sunak - and much of his Government - have that in spades
I got a first from a Russell Group uni in my first degree (history) but has never been of any significance to my career. Maybe it looks impressive to people reading my CV but it is a totally minor thing. I've got friends from uni who never had any career aspirations and are now doing minimum wage work.
The Conservatives are polling at their lowest since Sunak first took over, as Reform UK reach an all-time high:
LAB: 45.3% (+12.4)
CON: 25.2% (-19.5)
LDM: 10.6% (-1.3)
RFM: 7.4% (+5.3)
GRN: 6.3% (+3.6)
SNP: 2.9% (-1.1)
What's really amazing, though, is how fungible energy markets turned out to be, and that therefore Europe sailed through last winter without significant disruption.
And now, a year on, Europe's natural gas storage is 99.5% full ahead of winter.
Yes, I'm arguing on the grounds of core right-wing issues but that's purely because that's what is eroding the base.
Otherwise they'd be nearish 35% still.
Knock me dahn with a fevver, etc
Hence Sunak first needs to regain votes lost to his right to Reform to narrow the scale of defeat, in opposition the Tories will then need to hope Labour fail to grow the economy and inflation grows again
London Mayor Sadiq Khan says if Suella Braverman had any honour she would resign - and if not, Rishi Sunak should sack her. "If he doesn't, he's either too weak to do so or he agrees with her."
One other thing that struck me, its was being talked up that the success stories from polys were on £32-35k a year, again 5 years after graduating. It just shows how grad salaries haven't kept pace with general cost of living over the past 20 years or wider salaries e.g. 2000, median uk wage was 18k, average grad salary was that straight out of uni and most of my cohort got jobs significantly in excess of that e.g. more like £25k to be one a good grad scheme....now median uk wage is 35k, and "success" is 5 years down the line you might just be on that.
His chance to be leader will come if the Tories lose the general election after next, as it did for Corbyn when he became leader not when Labour lost power in 2010 but when it lose its second general election in 2015
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Amongst many many other things, the skilful execution of the Kerch Bridge attack elevates the possibility that it was the Ukes who blew up Nordstream 2
There are quite a few of them
Nine police officers injured, Met assistant commissioner says
Nine police officers were injured during today's protests, with two requiring hospital treatment, assistant commissioner Matt Twist says.
In a statement, Twist says one officer suffered a fractured elbow and the other a suspected dislocated hip.
"The extreme violence from the right-wing protesters towards the police today was extraordinary and deeply concerning," he says, referring to the group of "largely football hooligans" who "spent most of the day attacking or threatening officers".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-67390343
There were 300,000 marchers, and 5-10% of them were NASTY
Here:
"This man tried to stab
@SavaSavadkoohi
with a knife today at 3:15 pm at Vauxhall Bridge in London because Sava carried a sign saying “Hamas is Isis”
Fortunately,
@GhorbaniiNiyak
, stopped him, unmasked him & took this picture.
Retweet it so the
@metpoliceuk
police can find him."
https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1723410151472812306?s=20
At this point I can only conclude you're an imbecile, as well as a twat
Your lack of self-awareness is what’s embarrassing.
Do you still believe Putin did it?!
Its stupid because people on that kind of money have flexibility in their job to normally to just work less or negotiate packages that take income in another kind. So it doesn't get your more tax in and its bad for UK GDP.
https://twitter.com/PeterTatchell/status/1723441409410158949
Stop The War stewards blocked my way at the start of Palestine march today
They objected to my placard?
Said I was "a troublemaker". "We are here to stop you," they said. "We know what you did at the Ukraine march." I supported arming Ukraine
Yet they won't. They won't even say Oops, sorry. They will just carry on posting the same delusional nonsense
LOOK AT THE PHOTO
"Distressed to hear reports from West Hampstead that a home with a Jewish symbol was defaced with red paint. Pure antisemitism. I hope perpetrators are caught & met with the full force of the law. Appreciate emotions running high but this kind of hooliganism undermines any cause."
https://x.com/PhilR_R/status/1723452652132966784?s=20
I was down at the rowing club this morning. Told the coach as we were going on the water. He was surprised - and he’s ex-army.
Come 11, called “easy” and we stopped. The coaches all talk to each other on the radio. Nearly all the other boats out stopped as well.
https://thetab.com/uk/2023/06/28/the-best-russell-group-grad-salaries-2023-ranked-by-university-314675
This is a horrible, disgusting hate crime & I hope the perpetrators are caught.
Obviously therefore, it was done by America, but probably via a proxy with US assistance, to maintain plausible deniability. Poland or Ukraine soon became the obvious candidates with maybe the UK third
It is basic logic. Turns out it was Ukraine. Only cretins can be shocked by this
I predict Braverman is toast on Monday.
- The largely peaceful types leave at the end.
- The obstreperous types stay a bit longer.
- The police fighting fuckwits have a go late in the evening.
The ratios of each tell you about the organisation of the march.
(I suspect that Sunak suffers from analysis paralysis)
The old Liverpool Liberals would probably be closest to my views of any party in the last 50 years but sadly they are no more.
Kate Ferguson
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This was a vile anti-Semitic incident. Basic geography, something given your profession you clearly have, makes it clear that there is little or no evidence to connect it specifically to today’s demonstration.
But that doesn’t matter to you does it? All you care about is reaction. Driving interest in your writing. Truth comes a long way back in your list of priorities. Inflame passions to get likes. You are everything that’s wrong with the media elite.
1019 incidents in 28 days, including 47 physical assaults.
36 per day.
Given the location of most Jews being in London (IIRC), most of that is happening in London.
So it is probably not about the march, no.
We know this is likely because it has happened before
"Do you remember when these scumbags from Blackburn drove to Jewish areas in London & started shouting ‘rape the jewish women, rape their daughters’?
Did you know they were arrested but not prosecuted? 🤔
Maybe police ‘specialists’ said there were different interpretations of rape…"
https://x.com/potkazar/status/1721437896895242378?s=20
I seriously begin to despair of PB. Incapable of reason, hideously myopic, and just so egregiously STUPID
Where was Elon Musk?
The fireworks came from all over: I have the photos. The idea this was just "150" is comforting garbage
By the end it WAS down to a hardcore - of several thousand, maybe 10-15,000
More evidence. This was an anti-Semitic hate march
"Grim. From a Jewish pal:
“Mate look at this”"
https://x.com/MrHarryCole/status/1723438707229725051?s=20
"Just an endless convoy. Horns beeping, shouting, faces covered.
Hostile on the tube. Loads of flags. Chanting, numbers - extremely intimidating. I kept my eyes to the floor after being challenged with aggressive stares from several people - again - with faces covered.
More of this next weekend? Is this just a thing now?"
https://x.com/KiszelyPhilip/status/1723396284717891675?s=20
THIS, PB, is what you are defending and supporting
An update: Initial reports suggested this was antisemitism, but there is an investigation underway that is exploring different possible motives. Hearing from councillors who have visited the scene that paint is in fact not red, it is pink and yellow. Will update as I hear more.
EDIT: Phew! It's just some fireworks! (Diwali possibly)
But fair enough if they can prove this wasn't anti-Semitic
All the other reports - hundreds of them, now - of anti-Semitic abuse, scuffles, violence, do not give one hope
Weren't you pushing that it was THE USA that did it?
Angry anti-Israel protester sharing his twisted views today in London.
https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1723468325894619240?s=20
https://x.com/metpoliceuk/status/1723462651903086632?s=20
https://twitter.com/metpoliceuk/status/1723441827045421499?t=4aFarYOOlibu9RfSOr6WvQ&s=19
One of the pro-Hamas supporters speaks his mind on Israel on the streets of London, England.
Antisemitism is on the rise globally. http://BattleForLondon.com.
https://x.com/ThevoiceAlexa/status/1723458389152588221?s=20
Those who just want to see an end to the deaths are getting fed up of being lectured to and judged because they don’t think Israel has a free pass to act outside of international law .