One prediction: Leon will be on here at some point highlighting even the slightest issue.
But I am here. And you’re trying to frame a narrative in a. way that I can see - with my own eyes - is completely preposterous
There is a big crowd to my left shooting fireworks everywhere. The riot police do nothing because there’s nothing they can do. They can’t arrest 10,000 people. The marchers have been asked to go home and they are refusing
You've gone looking for trouble from the Pro-Palestinian side and predictably, amid a crowd of hundreds of thousands, you've found it.
We all appreciated there could be trouble; the surprise is that so far there has not been more.
Meanwhile you've dismissed the neo-Nazis as "200 pathetic, drunk football hooligans".
Forgive me if I take my news from proper journalists, not some right-wing extremist with an axe to grind.
I see this predictable dismissal got four equally predictable likes from the usual suspects.
@Leon is quite right in his response to you and, despite his strong political views, I actually trust him to report the situation on the ground accurately.
Of course you do. It iis what you want to believe.
No. I genuinely believe @Leon to be fair in his reporting and to report back what he sees on the ground. For example, the fairness of the police. I don't doubt he'd be quick to report on the activities of Tommy Robinson and his ilk if he saw it.
The bigger question is those being so quick to dismiss what he says because it's inconvenient for them.
The idea that #leon would give an unbiased view had me rolling around laughing.
Actually, no. Leon is, essentially, a journalist and I think when he's on the front line reporting his professionalism kicks in - just as for us it would if we were doing betting analysis for our bank accounts - and it's not the same as an OpEd piece in a journal or magazine.
I've been happy to call out silliness of his in the past, including on nukes, UFOs, lethal super viruses, the end of the world (part 489) and Super Terminator Vengeance AI, but on this I think he's being fair - and I note his posts have just been confirmed by police kettling and arrests of the fireworks mob.
11 days from the Dutch General Election and if the polls are right there's going to be a real political earthquake in The Hague.
The current VVD/D66/CDA/CU coalition is set to collapse from 78 seats in the 150 seat Parliament to just 42 with D66 taking a huge hit dropping from 24 to 7 and CDA going from 15 to 5.
Rutte's VVD goes down from 34 to 27 and may be supplanted as largest party by a grouping formed just three months ago - New Social Contract (NSC). NSC are set to win 28 seats. Their leader, Pieter Omtzigt, a former member of CDA, is a maverick Duthc politician, centrist but with a Euro-sceptic edge whose rise to power came about via an exposure relating to childcare benefits.
His party have asked to join the EPP grouping in the European Parliament which suggests to me he's more of a centre-right figure. Whether he could work with the VVD remains to be seen.
Another group set to gain seats is the combined Social Democratic/Green electoral bloc which should go from 17 to 24 while the Freedom Party, led by Geert Wilders, should advance from 17 to 21.
The other surprise grouping are BBB (Farmer Citizen Movement) who looked at one point to be emerging as a real populist party but whose advance has bene checked somewhat by the rise of NSC. Nonetheless, they should win nine seats.
Post election Government formation looks interesting to say the least.
War crimes continue to be committed in Gaza, but the World remains largely silent. Well done Macron for calling for a ceasefire.
I remember reading post after post from you about War Crimes on 7th October, and thereafter.
Well done you for taking such a strong moral stance.
Israel seems to have very recently reduced the number of victims of those War Crimes from 1,400 to 1,200.
With respect, as a nerdy, obsessive, contrarian and off-the-scale aspergery train-nerd I sort of think you're essentially harmless and at the same time not really worth listening to on politics so I ignore what you say.
You don't mean "with respect" at all. Just not on.
You can put away your synthetic outrage back in your pocket, where it belongs.
Despite not being on the site (for days) I saw @kinabalu try to insinuate I was a racist the day before yesterday, the basis of his argument being that I'm "anti-woke". Only one person called him out, and it wasn't you.
The silence from posters like you was deafening.
Eh? I'm pretty sure @kinabalu said specifically that you weren't a racist iin his opinion!
No, I read it, and the inference was very clear.
I was quite restrained in not responding to it, I thought. I can't guarantee I will continue to be if it happens again.
Fckn hell, talk about stubbornly inserting the wrong end of the stick. Kinabalu can speak for himself but this is what he wrote. Fwiw (I sense you're not in the mood to accept a backhanded compliment) I agree with him.
'The reason he (CR) can’t stand ‘woke’ is he thinks it makes everything about race, which is counterproductive and racist in itself. I think it’s a bad take myself but there’s no question he’s sincere. You call tell he is because other than in discussions about ‘woke’ he never mentions race. He doesn’t think it’s a factor in anything, and if it is it shouldn’t be, so you don’t find him banging on about it.'
To be fair, this - … The reason he (CR) can’t stand ‘woke’ is he thinks it makes everything about race, which is counterproductive and racist in itself... - would have been considerably less ambiguous is written: … The reason he (CR) can’t stand ‘woke’ is he thinks it makes everything about race, which he thinks is counterproductive and racist in itself.
That’s fairly clearly kinablu’s meaning, especially in the context of the rest of the paragraph, but one can see how it might not read like that.
Yeah, fair, but as you imply perhaps a desire to be offended and the red mist obscured the ability to see the intended point. CR is neurotically obsessed with Woke and on a ridiculously short fuse, but I've never seen the slightest sign of racism in his posts.
Marie Le Conte @youngvulgarian · 6h keep having that chat with various friends but think someone really ought to do a proper, long, very reported piece on how coke is just....everywhere now, it's less represented in pop culture than it used to be but is much more of a thing than it once was
@Leon is on the ground in what could be snort central - what's your view?
It wouldn't exactly be a shocking media piece though. Anybody who ever goes anywhere will have noticed this. Go to the footy, go to pubs, go to parties....its absolutely unmissable.
Now if they want to do a piece about the why this is the case. Now that is a more interesting story and far lesser known.
Officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration in Grosvenor Place.
The group were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings. Officers are using their Section 60 and 60AA powers to detain and search those involved.
Leon, Flinter Knappers Gazette, our man on the spot.
Indeed. What did I say
Listen to the BBC and the march was all kumbaya and lovely people singing Imagine. Listen to me and there are nasty wankers shooting fireworks and much else
And who’s right? Me
If you search twitter, you can see there was some nasty stuff going on the fringes,
This man tried to stab @SavaSavadkoohi with a knife today at 3:15 pm at Vauxhall Bridge in London because Sava carried a sign saying “Hamas is Isis”
Despite failing to win a parliamentary seat before, though he came close in Thanet in 2015, Farage did at one stage lead a party which led the Tories and Labour in some polls in June 2019 after May delayed Brexit in the form of the Brexit Party. He also one the European elections in 2019 and in 2014 too with UKIP.
I highly doubt he will ever be Conservative leader though, CCHQ would block him getting on the parliamentary candidates list for starters unless say Braverman or Rees Mogg were Tory leader
If Farage had stood for the Conservatives in South Thanet in 2015, he would have won. If he were to stand for the Conservatives in 2024 in East Thanet, Brigg and Immingham, South Holland and the Deepings, for example, he would win. If the Conservatives want Farage, he would win a seat. The question is, would the Conservatives want Farage?
Officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration in Grosvenor Place.
The group were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings. Officers are using their Section 60 and 60AA powers to detain and search those involved.
Leon, Flinter Knappers Gazette, our man on the spot.
I'm sure they saw Leon's post and got right on the case at once.
So, Leon had a point then?
I take it then you will gracefully concede that rather than continue the dismissive sneering that you did earlier?
Oh, wait a minute..
Do you mean my dismissive sneering where I said:
"You've gone looking for trouble from the Pro-Palestinian side and predictably, amid a crowd of hundreds of thousands, you've found it. We all appreciated there could be trouble; the surprise is that so far there has not been more."?
Leon it was who dismissed the EDL (82 arrests) as "200 pathetic, drunk football hooligans".
Fundamentally, it was all too obvious that Leon would be there looking for evidence of trouble in the Pro-Palestinian march. I predicted it this morning and so it came to pass. His disappointment that the march has passed off largely peacefully so far is palpable.
Edit: Amusingly, I see Leon has coincidentally just posted to challenge the "largely peaceful" summary.
Well I’ve just seen Palestinian protestors shooting fireworks into Vauxhall station so these BBC guys aren’t trying very hard
I'm not there, but I suspect the BBC see it as their duty to unify, calm things down, and generally try and be "balanced". Moreover, due to health & safety and corporate policy, they probably report at a slight distance.
So they're not going to see as much bad behaviour and would be reluctant to highlight it even if they did, in case it cuts across that.
Trusting the reporting of the bbc is like trusting russia today.
Whose reporting would you trust Pagan?
None frankly they all have agenda's, thats why I read several and try and work out the truth. The bbc is as biassed as the mail, the guardian and the telegraphs. Jounalists no longer report the ungarnished truth, they report their opinions of the truth
I think if you judge them all as bad as Russia Today you lack any discernment.
Why I have seen russia today publish absolute lies as truth, have also seen just about every news source doing it including the bbc. Journalists have got to self important and have decided their perceived truth is more important than actual truth so we get fed their bullshit....they need to be told they aren't as important as they think they are and reminded of what there job is meant to be
Ok, please give me an example of the BBC publishing 'absolute lies as truth'.
Just about any of their reporting on it stuff qualifies
Such as?
It's bollocks Sunil, Pagan just comes out with this crap, evidence is not required.
I am not defending any main stream media as a source of truth neither left nor right. You however are defending the bbc because they share your views....go figure who is correct...clue its not you
Point 1. I haven't actually defended the BBC, I merely challenged your rather silly view that they are on a par with Russia Today. You don't think that a media outlet funded by Putin is likely to be rather more biased than one committed by the laws of the UK to be unbiased? I am not saying the BBC is perfect, far from it but it would be interesting to see many others on PB rate the BBC as no more reliable than RT.
Point 2. If you feel you cannot rely on any main stream media for the truth you might as well just give up because you're never going to be able to determine the truth. Or do you have some non-mainstream media you trust?
Main stream media always has someone steering the strings. The bbc has lied repeatedly about it things so no idea why you think I should give them credence. All main stream media is corrupt and in the arms of those with agenda's...isnt that the left wing trope anyway....tories only get elected because mainstream media attack the assholes you choose as leaders like corbyn?
I am not nor ever have been a member of any party, so didn't choose Corbyn or anyone else for that matter.
You're right though that both the left and right accuse the BBC of bias, which is why I reckon they (the BBC) probably get it right most of the time. RT, not so much.
The bbc is as biassed about things as anyone else. As I said its because journalists now feel themselves important , thought leaders rather than informing unbiassedly
Marie Le Conte @youngvulgarian · 6h keep having that chat with various friends but think someone really ought to do a proper, long, very reported piece on how coke is just....everywhere now, it's less represented in pop culture than it used to be but is much more of a thing than it once was
@Leon is on the ground in what could be snort central - what's your view?
As a former aficionado of the substance, I can guarantee you that 90% of people who think they are doing "coke" are doing speed, caffeine pills, and maybe a bit of levamisole, if they're lucky.
Officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration in Grosvenor Place.
The group were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings. Officers are using their Section 60 and 60AA powers to detain and search those involved.
Leon, Flinter Knappers Gazette, our man on the spot.
I'm sure they saw Leon's post and got right on the case at once.
So, Leon had a point then?
I take it then you will gracefully concede that rather than continue the dismissive sneering that you did earlier?
Oh, wait a minute..
Do you mean my dismissive sneering where I said:
"You've gone looking for trouble from the Pro-Palestinian side and predictably, amid a crowd of hundreds of thousands, you've found it. We all appreciated there could be trouble; the surprise is that so far there has not been more."?
Leon it was who dismissed the EDL (82 arrests) as "200 pathetic, drunk football hooligans".
Fundamentally, it was all too obvious that Leon would be there looking for evidence of trouble in the Pro-Palestinian march. I predicted it this morning and so it came to pass. His disappointment that the march has passed off largely peacefully so far is palpable.
War crimes continue to be committed in Gaza, but the World remains largely silent. Well done Macron for calling for a ceasefire.
I remember reading post after post from you about War Crimes on 7th October, and thereafter.
Well done you for taking such a strong moral stance.
Israel seems to have very recently reduced the number of victims of those War Crimes from 1,400 to 1,200.
With respect, as a nerdy, obsessive, contrarian and off-the-scale aspergery train-nerd I sort of think you're essentially harmless and at the same time not really worth listening to on politics so I ignore what you say.
You don't mean "with respect" at all. Just not on.
You can put away your synthetic outrage back in your pocket, where it belongs.
Despite not being on the site (for days) I saw @kinabalu try to insinuate I was a racist the day before yesterday, the basis of his argument being that I'm "anti-woke". Only one person called him out, and it wasn't you.
The silence from posters like you was deafening.
Eh? I'm pretty sure @kinabalu said specifically that you weren't a racist iin his opinion!
No, I read it, and the inference was very clear.
I was quite restrained in not responding to it, I thought. I can't guarantee I will continue to be if it happens again.
Fckn hell, talk about stubbornly inserting the wrong end of the stick. Kinabalu can speak for himself but this is what he wrote. Fwiw (I sense you're not in the mood to accept a backhanded compliment) I agree with him.
'The reason he (CR) can’t stand ‘woke’ is he thinks it makes everything about race, which is counterproductive and racist in itself. I think it’s a bad take myself but there’s no question he’s sincere. You call tell he is because other than in discussions about ‘woke’ he never mentions race. He doesn’t think it’s a factor in anything, and if it is it shouldn’t be, so you don’t find him banging on about it.'
To be fair, this - … The reason he (CR) can’t stand ‘woke’ is he thinks it makes everything about race, which is counterproductive and racist in itself... - would have been considerably less ambiguous is written: … The reason he (CR) can’t stand ‘woke’ is he thinks it makes everything about race, which he thinks is counterproductive and racist in itself.
That’s fairly clearly kinablu’s meaning, especially in the context of the rest of the paragraph, but one can see how it might not read like that.
Yes, thanks - it does look like I misread it and I'm happy to withdraw on that basis.
I got fixated on the "racist in itself" bit, which I took to mean he was accusing me of being so just for holding anti-Woke views - and that was in and amongst a bunch of other posts in which he was acted as racistfinder pursuivant - but in skimming through the thread on catch-up I was clearly too quick to take offence.
Marie Le Conte @youngvulgarian · 6h keep having that chat with various friends but think someone really ought to do a proper, long, very reported piece on how coke is just....everywhere now, it's less represented in pop culture than it used to be but is much more of a thing than it once was
@Leon is on the ground in what could be snort central - what's your view?
As a former aficionado of the substance, I can guarantee you that 90% of people who think they are doing "coke" are doing speed, caffeine pills, and maybe a bit of levamisole, if they're lucky.
I don't think that is true anymore. The shear scale of the amount being imported into Europe means there is far less need for that.
Officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration in Grosvenor Place.
The group were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings. Officers are using their Section 60 and 60AA powers to detain and search those involved.
Leon, Flinter Knappers Gazette, our man on the spot.
I'm sure they saw Leon's post and got right on the case at once.
So, Leon had a point then?
I take it then you will gracefully concede that rather than continue the dismissive sneering that you did earlier?
Oh, wait a minute..
Do you mean my dismissive sneering where I said:
"You've gone looking for trouble from the Pro-Palestinian side and predictably, amid a crowd of hundreds of thousands, you've found it. We all appreciated there could be trouble; the surprise is that so far there has not been more."?
Leon it was who dismissed the EDL (82 arrests) as "200 pathetic, drunk football hooligans".
Fundamentally, it was all too obvious that Leon would be there looking for evidence of trouble in the Pro-Palestinian march. I predicted it this morning and so it came to pass. His disappointment that the march has passed off largely peacefully so far is palpable.
Weak. Why not just admit he had a point, you were wrong to dismiss it, and apologise?
Source? My pro photographer friend who joined me for the first two hours. He’s an actual football hooligan (or was, he’s now a middle aged dad)
But he still goes to games every weekend and knows all the subcultures. He was able to explain everything and he actually pointed to a couple of thugs (getting arrested) as “obviously on coke”
Source? My pro photographer friend who joined me for the first two hours. He’s an actual football hooligan (or was, he’s now a middle aged dad)
But he still goes to games every weekend and knows all the subcultures. He was able to explain everything and he actually pointed to a couple of thugs (getting arrested) as “obviously on coke”
Officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration in Grosvenor Place.
The group were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings. Officers are using their Section 60 and 60AA powers to detain and search those involved.
Leon, Flinter Knappers Gazette, our man on the spot.
Indeed. What did I say
Listen to the BBC and the march was all kumbaya and lovely people singing Imagine. Listen to me and there are nasty wankers shooting fireworks and much else
And who’s right? Me
If you search twitter, you can see there was some nasty stuff going on the fringes,
This man tried to stab @SavaSavadkoohi with a knife today at 3:15 pm at Vauxhall Bridge in London because Sava carried a sign saying “Hamas is Isis”
Golly, I wonder what search terms you used in your ceaseless patrolling of twitter?
Seriously? That’s your point?
It may come as a surprise to you, but some people think endlessly searching for stuff on twitter to inflame already chafed and predictable expectations is a bit weird.
Marie Le Conte @youngvulgarian · 6h keep having that chat with various friends but think someone really ought to do a proper, long, very reported piece on how coke is just....everywhere now, it's less represented in pop culture than it used to be but is much more of a thing than it once was
@Leon is on the ground in what could be snort central - what's your view?
As a former aficionado of the substance, I can guarantee you that 90% of people who think they are doing "coke" are doing speed, caffeine pills, and maybe a bit of levamisole, if they're lucky.
I've never encountered coke in my life, or seen anyone do it, and only ever heard the tiniest chatter about it at the periphery of friendship groups.
Am I deeply unusual? Or am I flitting transparently through life without seeing stuff right in front of my nose, like Patrick Swayze in Ghost?
War crimes continue to be committed in Gaza, but the World remains largely silent. Well done Macron for calling for a ceasefire.
I remember reading post after post from you about War Crimes on 7th October, and thereafter.
Well done you for taking such a strong moral stance.
Israel seems to have very recently reduced the number of victims of those War Crimes from 1,400 to 1,200.
With respect, as a nerdy, obsessive, contrarian and off-the-scale aspergery train-nerd I sort of think you're essentially harmless and at the same time not really worth listening to on politics so I ignore what you say.
You don't mean "with respect" at all. Just not on.
You can put away your synthetic outrage back in your pocket, where it belongs.
Despite not being on the site (for days) I saw @kinabalu try to insinuate I was a racist the day before yesterday, the basis of his argument being that I'm "anti-woke". Only one person called him out, and it wasn't you.
The silence from posters like you was deafening.
There’s been many unpleasant accusations or insinuations of racism by long standing posters against long standing posters recently. Left on right and right on left.
It’s very sad to see.
I doubt people here are bigoted like that. I’ve not see it.
Well I’ve just seen Palestinian protestors shooting fireworks into Vauxhall station so these BBC guys aren’t trying very hard
I'm not there, but I suspect the BBC see it as their duty to unify, calm things down, and generally try and be "balanced". Moreover, due to health & safety and corporate policy, they probably report at a slight distance.
So they're not going to see as much bad behaviour and would be reluctant to highlight it even if they did, in case it cuts across that.
Trusting the reporting of the bbc is like trusting russia today.
Whose reporting would you trust Pagan?
None frankly they all have agenda's, thats why I read several and try and work out the truth. The bbc is as biassed as the mail, the guardian and the telegraphs. Jounalists no longer report the ungarnished truth, they report their opinions of the truth
I think if you judge them all as bad as Russia Today you lack any discernment.
Why I have seen russia today publish absolute lies as truth, have also seen just about every news source doing it including the bbc. Journalists have got to self important and have decided their perceived truth is more important than actual truth so we get fed their bullshit....they need to be told they aren't as important as they think they are and reminded of what there job is meant to be
Ok, please give me an example of the BBC publishing 'absolute lies as truth'.
Just about any of their reporting on it stuff qualifies
Such as?
It's bollocks Sunil, Pagan just comes out with this crap, evidence is not required.
I am not defending any main stream media as a source of truth neither left nor right. You however are defending the bbc because they share your views....go figure who is correct...clue its not you
Point 1. I haven't actually defended the BBC, I merely challenged your rather silly view that they are on a par with Russia Today. You don't think that a media outlet funded by Putin is likely to be rather more biased than one committed by the laws of the UK to be unbiased? I am not saying the BBC is perfect, far from it but it would be interesting to see many others on PB rate the BBC as no more reliable than RT.
Point 2. If you feel you cannot rely on any main stream media for the truth you might as well just give up because you're never going to be able to determine the truth. Or do you have some non-mainstream media you trust?
Main stream media always has someone steering the strings. The bbc has lied repeatedly about it things so no idea why you think I should give them credence. All main stream media is corrupt and in the arms of those with agenda's...isnt that the left wing trope anyway....tories only get elected because mainstream media attack the assholes you choose as leaders like corbyn?
I am not nor ever have been a member of any party, so didn't choose Corbyn or anyone else for that matter.
You're right though that both the left and right accuse the BBC of bias, which is why I reckon they (the BBC) probably get it right most of the time. RT, not so much.
The bbc is as biassed about things as anyone else. As I said its because journalists now feel themselves important , thought leaders rather than informing unbiassedly
The BBC is biased is a boring PB topic, but I always repeat what the likes of Andrew Marr has said, it isn't about right and left, it is that the BBC have a problem with group think, formed by being an overwhelmingly young liberal metropolitan work.
And you can see it, social issues, immigration, there is nought between them and the Guardian. Any talk of getting tough on immigration gets the but but but what about the fruit pickers. Economics, its more restrained, but you see the outrage bus firing up if taxes start going on on £100k a year workers or people who have personal service companies....we saw it when Brown did it, we saw it when Hammond did it, and Corbyn got lots of close "inspection" over all the taxes he would want to impose.
It is why New Labour-esque stances seem to get the lightest of dusting.
The BBC should be moved from London to, say, somewhere like Newent, employing local people. Either Newent would become a Labour / Green marginal or the BBC would more accurately reflect the views of non metropolitans.
Oops. That won't please the "close mickey mouse courses" brigade.
Well two questions remain....how many graduates of those degrees get a job in the are....if its 2 in 100 then the fact they get higher salaries is not relevant. Two are those the mickey mouse degrees people talk about. For example I would class a degree in klingon mickey mouse but not necessarily are.
To measure it should be average salary in the area/ number of degrees awarded in the subject.
I just want to point out that PB actually got better reportage from me than it did from the BBC
If you’ve been following the BBC all day you will now be amazed to hear that this largely peaceful march has now suddenly ended in violence, with fireworks aimed at cops and various scuffles, stabbings etc
Meanwhile I warned you about the fireworks three hours ago and also clued you up on a deeply sinister element within the march, surely bent on violence
Officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration in Grosvenor Place.
The group were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings. Officers are using their Section 60 and 60AA powers to detain and search those involved.
Leon, Flinter Knappers Gazette, our man on the spot.
I'm sure they saw Leon's post and got right on the case at once.
So, Leon had a point then?
I take it then you will gracefully concede that rather than continue the dismissive sneering that you did earlier?
Oh, wait a minute..
Do you mean my dismissive sneering where I said:
"You've gone looking for trouble from the Pro-Palestinian side and predictably, amid a crowd of hundreds of thousands, you've found it. We all appreciated there could be trouble; the surprise is that so far there has not been more."?
Leon it was who dismissed the EDL (82 arrests) as "200 pathetic, drunk football hooligans".
Fundamentally, it was all too obvious that Leon would be there looking for evidence of trouble in the Pro-Palestinian march. I predicted it this morning and so it came to pass. His disappointment that the march has passed off largely peacefully so far is palpable.
Weak. Why not just admit he had a point, you were wrong to dismiss it, and apologise?
What point of his did I dismiss? Genuine puzzlement.
I mean, if you or he are offended by my toungue-in-cheek "I'm sure they saw Leon's post and got right on the case at once" you need to get a life.
Oops. That won't please the "close mickey mouse courses" brigade.
CAN...being the important word. Also lots of cherry picking, computer games design isn't the History of Harry Potter. The UK has a big computer games industry and need for creative talent. Its a bit like saying well I got well qualified in plumbing and I earn good money (aren't Plimbco Plumbers on average of £100k+ a year?), but not likely be so true of those doing health and beauty at the same college.
I have to say slightly bemused by claim that 5 years out average Liverpool Law grad is on sub £30k. That seems very low.
Despite failing to win a parliamentary seat before, though he came close in Thanet in 2015, Farage did at one stage lead a party which led the Tories and Labour in some polls in June 2019 after May delayed Brexit in the form of the Brexit Party. He also one the European elections in 2019 and in 2014 too with UKIP.
I highly doubt he will ever be Conservative leader though, CCHQ would block him getting on the parliamentary candidates list for starters unless say Braverman or Rees Mogg were Tory leader
If Farage had stood for the Conservatives in South Thanet in 2015, he would have won. If he were to stand for the Conservatives in 2024 in East Thanet, Brigg and Immingham, South Holland and the Deepings, for example, he would win. If the Conservatives want Farage, he would win a seat. The question is, would the Conservatives want Farage?
CCHQ wouldn't, Sunak wouldn't, Conservative Party members would. However the latter can only select parliamentary candidates from a list CCHQ have approved
Well I’ve just seen Palestinian protestors shooting fireworks into Vauxhall station so these BBC guys aren’t trying very hard
I'm not there, but I suspect the BBC see it as their duty to unify, calm things down, and generally try and be "balanced". Moreover, due to health & safety and corporate policy, they probably report at a slight distance.
So they're not going to see as much bad behaviour and would be reluctant to highlight it even if they did, in case it cuts across that.
Trusting the reporting of the bbc is like trusting russia today.
Whose reporting would you trust Pagan?
None frankly they all have agenda's, thats why I read several and try and work out the truth. The bbc is as biassed as the mail, the guardian and the telegraphs. Jounalists no longer report the ungarnished truth, they report their opinions of the truth
I think if you judge them all as bad as Russia Today you lack any discernment.
Why I have seen russia today publish absolute lies as truth, have also seen just about every news source doing it including the bbc. Journalists have got to self important and have decided their perceived truth is more important than actual truth so we get fed their bullshit....they need to be told they aren't as important as they think they are and reminded of what there job is meant to be
Ok, please give me an example of the BBC publishing 'absolute lies as truth'.
Just about any of their reporting on it stuff qualifies
Such as?
It's bollocks Sunil, Pagan just comes out with this crap, evidence is not required.
I am not defending any main stream media as a source of truth neither left nor right. You however are defending the bbc because they share your views....go figure who is correct...clue its not you
Point 1. I haven't actually defended the BBC, I merely challenged your rather silly view that they are on a par with Russia Today. You don't think that a media outlet funded by Putin is likely to be rather more biased than one committed by the laws of the UK to be unbiased? I am not saying the BBC is perfect, far from it but it would be interesting to see many others on PB rate the BBC as no more reliable than RT.
Point 2. If you feel you cannot rely on any main stream media for the truth you might as well just give up because you're never going to be able to determine the truth. Or do you have some non-mainstream media you trust?
Main stream media always has someone steering the strings. The bbc has lied repeatedly about it things so no idea why you think I should give them credence. All main stream media is corrupt and in the arms of those with agenda's...isnt that the left wing trope anyway....tories only get elected because mainstream media attack the assholes you choose as leaders like corbyn?
I am not nor ever have been a member of any party, so didn't choose Corbyn or anyone else for that matter.
You're right though that both the left and right accuse the BBC of bias, which is why I reckon they (the BBC) probably get it right most of the time. RT, not so much.
The bbc is as biassed about things as anyone else. As I said its because journalists now feel themselves important , thought leaders rather than informing unbiassedly
The BBC is biased is a boring PB topic, but I always repeat what the likes of Andrew Marr has said, it isn't about right and left, it is that the BBC have a problem with group think, formed by being an overwhelmingly young liberal metropolitan work.
And you can see it, social issues, immigration, there is nought between them and the Guardian. Any talk of getting tough on immigration gets the but but but what about the fruit pickers. Economics, its more restrained, but you see the outrage bus firing up if taxes start going on on £100k a year workers or people who have personal service companies....we saw it when Brown did it, we saw it when Hammond did it, and Corbyn got lots of close "inspection" over all the taxes he would want to impose.
It is why New Labour-esque stances seem to get the lightest of dusting.
The BBC should be moved from London to, say, somewhere like Newent, employing local people. Either Newent would become a Labour / Green marginal or the BBC would more accurately reflect the views of non metropolitans.
Didn't they already move a chunk of it to Salford?
Officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration in Grosvenor Place.
The group were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings. Officers are using their Section 60 and 60AA powers to detain and search those involved.
Leon, Flinter Knappers Gazette, our man on the spot.
So that’s 150 troublemakers out of 300,000 marchers. 0.05%.
And yet, our destitute man’s version of Alan Whicker scoffs at descriptions of today’s march for Palestine as largely peaceful and then wonders why people don’t take him seriously.
Top tip: don’t attempt to style yourself as Kate Adie when your substance is Katie Hopkins.
Marie Le Conte @youngvulgarian · 6h keep having that chat with various friends but think someone really ought to do a proper, long, very reported piece on how coke is just....everywhere now, it's less represented in pop culture than it used to be but is much more of a thing than it once was
@Leon is on the ground in what could be snort central - what's your view?
As a former aficionado of the substance, I can guarantee you that 90% of people who think they are doing "coke" are doing speed, caffeine pills, and maybe a bit of levamisole, if they're lucky.
I've never encountered coke in my life, or seen anyone do it, and only ever heard the tiniest chatter about it at the periphery of friendship groups.
Am I deeply unusual? Or am I flitting transparently through life without seeing stuff right in front of my nose, like Patrick Swayze in Ghost?
Ditto. Haven't really come across anything since my student days and then it was just pot and lsd.
Marie Le Conte @youngvulgarian · 6h keep having that chat with various friends but think someone really ought to do a proper, long, very reported piece on how coke is just....everywhere now, it's less represented in pop culture than it used to be but is much more of a thing than it once was
@Leon is on the ground in what could be snort central - what's your view?
As a former aficionado of the substance, I can guarantee you that 90% of people who think they are doing "coke" are doing speed, caffeine pills, and maybe a bit of levamisole, if they're lucky.
I've never encountered coke in my life, or seen anyone do it, and only ever heard the tiniest chatter about it at the periphery of friendship groups.
Am I deeply unusual? Or am I flitting transparently through life without seeing stuff right in front of my nose, like Patrick Swayze in Ghost?
You know how they say, in any big city, you're never more than 6ft away from a rat?
The same is almost certainly true of cocaine. But it takes one to nose one...
Source? My pro photographer friend who joined me for the first two hours. He’s an actual football hooligan (or was, he’s now a middle aged dad)
But he still goes to games every weekend and knows all the subcultures. He was able to explain everything and he actually pointed to a couple of thugs (getting arrested) as “obviously on coke”
One thing we can probably agree on: the neo-nazis in this country are a sad and ineffective bunch of fuckers.
That Baltic Sea pipeline … 'Roman Chervinsky, a decorated 48-year-old colonel who served in Ukraine’s Special Operations Forces, was the “coordinator” of the Nord Stream operation, people familiar with his role said, managing logistics and support for a six-person team that rented a sailboat under false identities and used deep-sea diving equipment to place explosive charges on the gas pipelines. On Sept. 26, 2022, three explosions caused massive leaks on the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines, which run from Russia to Germany under the Baltic Sea. The attack left only one of the four gas links in the network intact as winter approached.' https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/11/11/nordstream-bombing-ukraine-chervinsky/
Despite failing to win a parliamentary seat before, though he came close in Thanet in 2015, Farage did at one stage lead a party which led the Tories and Labour in some polls in June 2019 after May delayed Brexit in the form of the Brexit Party. He also one the European elections in 2019 and in 2014 too with UKIP.
I highly doubt he will ever be Conservative leader though, CCHQ would block him getting on the parliamentary candidates list for starters unless say Braverman or Rees Mogg were Tory leader
If Farage had stood for the Conservatives in South Thanet in 2015, he would have won. If he were to stand for the Conservatives in 2024 in East Thanet, Brigg and Immingham, South Holland and the Deepings, for example, he would win. If the Conservatives want Farage, he would win a seat. The question is, would the Conservatives want Farage?
CCHQ wouldn't, Sunak wouldn't, Conservative Party members would. However the latter can only select parliamentary candidates from a list CCHQ have approved
Marie Le Conte @youngvulgarian · 6h keep having that chat with various friends but think someone really ought to do a proper, long, very reported piece on how coke is just....everywhere now, it's less represented in pop culture than it used to be but is much more of a thing than it once was
@Leon is on the ground in what could be snort central - what's your view?
As a former aficionado of the substance, I can guarantee you that 90% of people who think they are doing "coke" are doing speed, caffeine pills, and maybe a bit of levamisole, if they're lucky.
I've never encountered coke in my life, or seen anyone do it, and only ever heard the tiniest chatter about it at the periphery of friendship groups.
Am I deeply unusual? Or am I flitting transparently through life without seeing stuff right in front of my nose, like Patrick Swayze in Ghost?
Same here except, with hindsight, I think there probably was some coke use going on among a number of the senior managers at the retail bank I worked for. Some utterly bizarre behaviour for sure, manic & irrational. But I have no actual evidence and was never offered anything myself and didn't seek it out - I'm too boring, probably.
Officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration in Grosvenor Place.
The group were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings. Officers are using their Section 60 and 60AA powers to detain and search those involved.
Leon, Flinter Knappers Gazette, our man on the spot.
So that’s 150 troublemakers out of 300,000 marchers. 0.05%.
And yet, our destitute man’s version of Alan Whicker scoffs at descriptions of today’s march for Palestine as largely peaceful and then wonders why people don’t take him seriously.
Top tip: don’t attempt to style yourself as Kate Adie when your substance is Katie Hopkins.
The chances of @Leon writing objectively on any issue involving Muslims is pretty slim.
War crimes continue to be committed in Gaza, but the World remains largely silent. Well done Macron for calling for a ceasefire.
I remember reading post after post from you about War Crimes on 7th October, and thereafter.
Well done you for taking such a strong moral stance.
Israel seems to have very recently reduced the number of victims of those War Crimes from 1,400 to 1,200.
With respect, as a nerdy, obsessive, contrarian and off-the-scale aspergery train-nerd I sort of think you're essentially harmless and at the same time not really worth listening to on politics so I ignore what you say.
You don't mean "with respect" at all. Just not on.
You can put away your synthetic outrage back in your pocket, where it belongs.
Despite not being on the site (for days) I saw @kinabalu try to insinuate I was a racist the day before yesterday, the basis of his argument being that I'm "anti-woke". Only one person called him out, and it wasn't you.
The silence from posters like you was deafening.
Not synthetic. It was a shitty post.
I didn't read the post to which you refer, so couldn't very well comment on it.
Officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration in Grosvenor Place.
The group were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings. Officers are using their Section 60 and 60AA powers to detain and search those involved.
Leon, Flinter Knappers Gazette, our man on the spot.
So that’s 150 troublemakers out of 300,000 marchers. 0.05%.
And yet, our destitute man’s version of Alan Whicker scoffs at descriptions of today’s march for Palestine as largely peaceful and then wonders why people don’t take him seriously.
Top tip: don’t attempt to style yourself as Kate Adie when your substance is Katie Hopkins.
The chances of @Leon writing objectively on any issue involving Muslims is pretty slim.
The same is true for you, you seem to assume they are all good, he assumes they are all bad. Like most people there are the good , the bad and the in the middle
Officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration in Grosvenor Place.
The group were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings. Officers are using their Section 60 and 60AA powers to detain and search those involved.
Leon, Flinter Knappers Gazette, our man on the spot.
So that’s 150 troublemakers out of 300,000 marchers. 0.05%.
And yet, our destitute man’s version of Alan Whicker scoffs at descriptions of today’s march for Palestine as largely peaceful and then wonders why people don’t take him seriously.
Top tip: don’t attempt to style yourself as Kate Adie when your substance is Katie Hopkins.
The chances of @Leon writing objectively on any issue involving Muslims is pretty slim.
And yet, time and again, I’m right. To an almost embarrassing degree
Marie Le Conte @youngvulgarian · 6h keep having that chat with various friends but think someone really ought to do a proper, long, very reported piece on how coke is just....everywhere now, it's less represented in pop culture than it used to be but is much more of a thing than it once was
@Leon is on the ground in what could be snort central - what's your view?
As a former aficionado of the substance, I can guarantee you that 90% of people who think they are doing "coke" are doing speed, caffeine pills, and maybe a bit of levamisole, if they're lucky.
I've never encountered coke in my life, or seen anyone do it, and only ever heard the tiniest chatter about it at the periphery of friendship groups.
Am I deeply unusual? Or am I flitting transparently through life without seeing stuff right in front of my nose, like Patrick Swayze in Ghost?
Same here except, with hindsight, I think there probably was some coke use going on among a number of the senior managers at the retail bank I worked for. Some utterly bizarre behaviour for sure, manic & irrational. But I have no actual evidence and was never offered anything myself and didn't seek it out - I'm too boring, probably.
Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has insisted that there will be no ceasefire in the war against Hamas until all of the hostages are returned.
Officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration in Grosvenor Place.
The group were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings. Officers are using their Section 60 and 60AA powers to detain and search those involved.
Leon, Flinter Knappers Gazette, our man on the spot.
So that’s 150 troublemakers out of 300,000 marchers. 0.05%.
And yet, our destitute man’s version of Alan Whicker scoffs at descriptions of today’s march for Palestine as largely peaceful and then wonders why people don’t take him seriously.
Top tip: don’t attempt to style yourself as Kate Adie when your substance is Katie Hopkins.
The chances of @Leon writing objectively on any issue involving Muslims is pretty slim.
And yet, time and again, I’m right. To an almost embarrassing degree
You make this post over and over again. Who are you trying to convince?
Officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration in Grosvenor Place.
The group were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings. Officers are using their Section 60 and 60AA powers to detain and search those involved.
Leon, Flinter Knappers Gazette, our man on the spot.
So that’s 150 troublemakers out of 300,000 marchers. 0.05%.
And yet, our destitute man’s version of Alan Whicker scoffs at descriptions of today’s march for Palestine as largely peaceful and then wonders why people don’t take him seriously.
Top tip: don’t attempt to style yourself as Kate Adie when your substance is Katie Hopkins.
The chances of @Leon writing objectively on any issue involving Muslims is pretty slim.
The same is true for you, you seem to assume they are all good, he assumes they are all bad. Like most people there are the good , the bad and the in the middle
Absolutely not true. I do not “assume they are all bad”
See my comment upthread. I described 90% of the march - predominantly Muslim - as good natured, amiable, well meaning. And it was. Lot of pleasant families down from bradford etc. All rather jolly (the chanting aside)
But yes I also pointed out the 5-10% who were blatantly nastier and out for a fight
Officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration in Grosvenor Place.
The group were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings. Officers are using their Section 60 and 60AA powers to detain and search those involved.
Leon, Flinter Knappers Gazette, our man on the spot.
So that’s 150 troublemakers out of 300,000 marchers. 0.05%.
And yet, our destitute man’s version of Alan Whicker scoffs at descriptions of today’s march for Palestine as largely peaceful and then wonders why people don’t take him seriously.
Top tip: don’t attempt to style yourself as Kate Adie when your substance is Katie Hopkins.
The chances of @Leon writing objectively on any issue involving Muslims is pretty slim.
The same is true for you, you seem to assume they are all good, he assumes they are all bad. Like most people there are the good , the bad and the in the middle
Absolutely not true. I do not “assume they are all bad”
See my comment upthread. I described 90% of the march - predominantly Muslim - as good natured, amiable, well meaning. And it was. Lot of pleasant families down from bradford etc. All rather jolly (the chanting aside)
But yes I also pointed out the 5-10% who were blatantly nastier and out for a fight
Let me rephrase then, you post about bad muslims a lot, foxy posts about good muslims a lot.
People are people regardless of race , gender, creed or ideology, some arseholes, some saints mostly people in the middle
Officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration in Grosvenor Place.
The group were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings. Officers are using their Section 60 and 60AA powers to detain and search those involved.
Leon, Flinter Knappers Gazette, our man on the spot.
So that’s 150 troublemakers out of 300,000 marchers. 0.05%.
And yet, our destitute man’s version of Alan Whicker scoffs at descriptions of today’s march for Palestine as largely peaceful and then wonders why people don’t take him seriously.
Top tip: don’t attempt to style yourself as Kate Adie when your substance is Katie Hopkins.
The chances of @Leon writing objectively on any issue involving Muslims is pretty slim.
The same is true for you, you seem to assume they are all good, he assumes they are all bad. Like most people there are the good , the bad and the in the middle
On the contrary, I have been described on here as an islamophobe.
For saying that Islam is systemically misogynisticnistic and homophobic for example.
That 9% now voting Reform is closer to the 12% who voted UKIP in 2015 than the 3% who voted Brexit party or UKIP in 2019.
Sunak cannot afford to keep leaking Tory voters to his right to Reform, especially given the votes he has already lost in the redwall and other marginal seats Boris won to Labour
Jonathan Turner, of UK Lawyers for Israel, said: “It is clear that racist chants were made at the march and in my view criminal offences contrary to the Public Order Act were committed.
“In addition, I understand that Hamas-style headbands were worn – this was probably an offence contrary to the Terrorism Act.”
He added: “In our view policing should have been stricter at previous marches. We hope that the police have now taken on board the serious concerns that have been expressed regarding the propagation of hate on our streets, and that there is now greater determination to enforce the criminal law.”
A spokesperson for Jewish security charity Community Security Trust told The Telegraph: “Yet again a protest - attended by many people claiming to be anti-racist - contained many examples of Jew-haters with their homemade placards, obsessing about Nazism, the Holocaust; and with the old accusations of Jews or Zionist controlling politicians and the media.
“We still have Holocaust survivors living here in London.
“How much longer will they, and many others in our Jewish community, have to stand by in our own city with this anti-Semitism on display week in, week out?”
Despite failing to win a parliamentary seat before, though he came close in Thanet in 2015, Farage did at one stage lead a party which led the Tories and Labour in some polls in June 2019 after May delayed Brexit in the form of the Brexit Party. He also one the European elections in 2019 and in 2014 too with UKIP.
I highly doubt he will ever be Conservative leader though, CCHQ would block him getting on the parliamentary candidates list for starters unless say Braverman or Rees Mogg were Tory leader
If Farage had stood for the Conservatives in South Thanet in 2015, he would have won. If he were to stand for the Conservatives in 2024 in East Thanet, Brigg and Immingham, South Holland and the Deepings, for example, he would win. If the Conservatives want Farage, he would win a seat. The question is, would the Conservatives want Farage?
CCHQ wouldn't, Sunak wouldn't, Conservative Party members would. However the latter can only select parliamentary candidates from a list CCHQ have approved
Would Braverman or Badenoch?
Maybe, as would Rees Mogg but they have to become Leader first
Officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration in Grosvenor Place.
The group were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings. Officers are using their Section 60 and 60AA powers to detain and search those involved.
Leon, Flinter Knappers Gazette, our man on the spot.
So that’s 150 troublemakers out of 300,000 marchers. 0.05%.
And yet, our destitute man’s version of Alan Whicker scoffs at descriptions of today’s march for Palestine as largely peaceful and then wonders why people don’t take him seriously.
Top tip: don’t attempt to style yourself as Kate Adie when your substance is Katie Hopkins.
The chances of @Leon writing objectively on any issue involving Muslims is pretty slim.
The same is true for you, you seem to assume they are all good, he assumes they are all bad. Like most people there are the good , the bad and the in the middle
On the contrary, I have been described on here as an islamophobe.
well I never had you down as one, if anything i had you down as more an excuser and dont mean that in a perjorative sense. More a you overlook things about the culture
Officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration in Grosvenor Place.
The group were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings. Officers are using their Section 60 and 60AA powers to detain and search those involved.
Leon, Flinter Knappers Gazette, our man on the spot.
So that’s 150 troublemakers out of 300,000 marchers. 0.05%.
And yet, our destitute man’s version of Alan Whicker scoffs at descriptions of today’s march for Palestine as largely peaceful and then wonders why people don’t take him seriously.
Top tip: don’t attempt to style yourself as Kate Adie when your substance is Katie Hopkins.
The chances of @Leon writing objectively on any issue involving Muslims is pretty slim.
The same is true for you, you seem to assume they are all good, he assumes they are all bad. Like most people there are the good , the bad and the in the middle
Absolutely not true. I do not “assume they are all bad”
See my comment upthread. I described 90% of the march - predominantly Muslim - as good natured, amiable, well meaning. And it was. Lot of pleasant families down from bradford etc. All rather jolly (the chanting aside)
But yes I also pointed out the 5-10% who were blatantly nastier and out for a fight
Let me rephrase then, you post about bad muslims a lot, foxy posts about good muslims a lot.
People are people regardless of race , gender, creed or ideology, some arseholes, some saints mostly people in the middle
Yes, absolutely true. Indeed I made that same point on here a week ago
Most people around the world are really quite NICE - everywhere you go. That one of the best things you learn from travelling a lot. The sheer niceness, helpfulness and generosity of most people - who enjoy a joke and want a peaceful life - Muslim or Buddhist, Chinese or African, old or young
Marie Le Conte @youngvulgarian · 6h keep having that chat with various friends but think someone really ought to do a proper, long, very reported piece on how coke is just....everywhere now, it's less represented in pop culture than it used to be but is much more of a thing than it once was
@Leon is on the ground in what could be snort central - what's your view?
As a former aficionado of the substance, I can guarantee you that 90% of people who think they are doing "coke" are doing speed, caffeine pills, and maybe a bit of levamisole, if they're lucky.
I've never encountered coke in my life, or seen anyone do it, and only ever heard the tiniest chatter about it at the periphery of friendship groups.
Am I deeply unusual? Or am I flitting transparently through life without seeing stuff right in front of my nose, like Patrick Swayze in Ghost?
Same here except, with hindsight, I think there probably was some coke use going on among a number of the senior managers at the retail bank I worked for. Some utterly bizarre behaviour for sure, manic & irrational. But I have no actual evidence and was never offered anything myself and didn't seek it out - I'm too boring, probably.
Marie Le Conte @youngvulgarian · 6h keep having that chat with various friends but think someone really ought to do a proper, long, very reported piece on how coke is just....everywhere now, it's less represented in pop culture than it used to be but is much more of a thing than it once was
@Leon is on the ground in what could be snort central - what's your view?
As a former aficionado of the substance, I can guarantee you that 90% of people who think they are doing "coke" are doing speed, caffeine pills, and maybe a bit of levamisole, if they're lucky.
I've never encountered coke in my life, or seen anyone do it, and only ever heard the tiniest chatter about it at the periphery of friendship groups.
Am I deeply unusual? Or am I flitting transparently through life without seeing stuff right in front of my nose, like Patrick Swayze in Ghost?
Same here except, with hindsight, I think there probably was some coke use going on among a number of the senior managers at the retail bank I worked for. Some utterly bizarre behaviour for sure, manic & irrational. But I have no actual evidence and was never offered anything myself and didn't seek it out - I'm too boring, probably.
I once, many, many years ago, went to a meeting where a group of retail pharmacy owners met up with our advertising team. I was told, by a very attractive young woman from the advertising team, that coke helped their creative abilities.
Officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration in Grosvenor Place.
The group were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings. Officers are using their Section 60 and 60AA powers to detain and search those involved.
Leon, Flinter Knappers Gazette, our man on the spot.
So that’s 150 troublemakers out of 300,000 marchers. 0.05%.
And yet, our destitute man’s version of Alan Whicker scoffs at descriptions of today’s march for Palestine as largely peaceful and then wonders why people don’t take him seriously.
Top tip: don’t attempt to style yourself as Kate Adie when your substance is Katie Hopkins.
The chances of @Leon writing objectively on any issue involving Muslims is pretty slim.
The same is true for you, you seem to assume they are all good, he assumes they are all bad. Like most people there are the good , the bad and the in the middle
Absolutely not true. I do not “assume they are all bad”
See my comment upthread. I described 90% of the march - predominantly Muslim - as good natured, amiable, well meaning. And it was. Lot of pleasant families down from bradford etc. All rather jolly (the chanting aside)
But yes I also pointed out the 5-10% who were blatantly nastier and out for a fight
Let me rephrase then, you post about bad muslims a lot, foxy posts about good muslims a lot.
People are people regardless of race , gender, creed or ideology, some arseholes, some saints mostly people in the middle
Yes, absolutely true. Indeed I made that same point on here a week ago
Most people around the world are really quite NICE - everywhere you go. That one of the best things you learn from travelling a lot. The sheer niceness, helpfulness and generosity of most people - who enjoy a joke and want a peaceful life - Muslim or Buddhist, Chinese or African, old or young
Apart from the Toto of course which are all arseholes man woman and child
Jeremy Corbyn delivers speech to pro-Palestinian protesters. The former Labour leader spoke from atop a fire engine near Vauxhall said: “It seems that there’s one million of us here today in London showing our solidarity with the people of Palestine,
Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has insisted that there will be no ceasefire in the war against Hamas until all of the hostages are returned.
Assuming none have been killed in the air strikes...
OK here’s a nice story from today. For balance (and I observed lots of nice things, they’re just not as interesting)
I was talking to one copper quite intensely about the day. He was pleased to have a friendly chat I think. And thankful to meet someone not hostile
At the end I said “anyway well done you guys, you have a tough job, policing this, you do it well” and as I said it this a muslim girl in a hijab overheard the exchange and she politely interrupted to say “yes, I agree, Thankyou” to the policeman and she added “you’ve been really good” and she obviously meant it
That 9% now voting Reform is closer to the 12% who voted UKIP in 2015 than the 3% who voted Brexit party or UKIP in 2019.
Sunak cannot afford to keep leaking Tory voters to his right to Reform, especially given the votes he has already lost in the redwall and other marginal seats Boris won to Labour
Yeah, but those REFUK voters don't really exist, which is why REFUK does so badly in real elections, and the Tories don't benefit from their real vote being lower.
Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has insisted that there will be no ceasefire in the war against Hamas until all of the hostages are returned.
Assuming none have been killed in the air strikes...
I would suspect a small number are being kept safe and are already a long away away from the action. The rest have probably been killed a long time ago, mostly by Hamas.
Well I’ve just seen Palestinian protestors shooting fireworks into Vauxhall station so these BBC guys aren’t trying very hard
I'm not there, but I suspect the BBC see it as their duty to unify, calm things down, and generally try and be "balanced". Moreover, due to health & safety and corporate policy, they probably report at a slight distance.
So they're not going to see as much bad behaviour and would be reluctant to highlight it even if they did, in case it cuts across that.
Trusting the reporting of the bbc is like trusting russia today.
Whose reporting would you trust Pagan?
None frankly they all have agenda's, thats why I read several and try and work out the truth. The bbc is as biassed as the mail, the guardian and the telegraphs. Jounalists no longer report the ungarnished truth, they report their opinions of the truth
I think if you judge them all as bad as Russia Today you lack any discernment.
Why I have seen russia today publish absolute lies as truth, have also seen just about every news source doing it including the bbc. Journalists have got to self important and have decided their perceived truth is more important than actual truth so we get fed their bullshit....they need to be told they aren't as important as they think they are and reminded of what there job is meant to be
Ok, please give me an example of the BBC publishing 'absolute lies as truth'.
Just about any of their reporting on it stuff qualifies
Such as?
It's bollocks Sunil, Pagan just comes out with this crap, evidence is not required.
I am not defending any main stream media as a source of truth neither left nor right. You however are defending the bbc because they share your views....go figure who is correct...clue its not you
Point 1. I haven't actually defended the BBC, I merely challenged your rather silly view that they are on a par with Russia Today. You don't think that a media outlet funded by Putin is likely to be rather more biased than one committed by the laws of the UK to be unbiased? I am not saying the BBC is perfect, far from it but it would be interesting to see many others on PB rate the BBC as no more reliable than RT.
Point 2. If you feel you cannot rely on any main stream media for the truth you might as well just give up because you're never going to be able to determine the truth. Or do you have some non-mainstream media you trust?
Main stream media always has someone steering the strings. The bbc has lied repeatedly about it things so no idea why you think I should give them credence. All main stream media is corrupt and in the arms of those with agenda's...isnt that the left wing trope anyway....tories only get elected because mainstream media attack the assholes you choose as leaders like corbyn?
I am not nor ever have been a member of any party, so didn't choose Corbyn or anyone else for that matter.
You're right though that both the left and right accuse the BBC of bias, which is why I reckon they (the BBC) probably get it right most of the time. RT, not so much.
The bbc is as biassed about things as anyone else. As I said its because journalists now feel themselves important , thought leaders rather than informing unbiassedly
The BBC is biased is a boring PB topic, but I always repeat what the likes of Andrew Marr has said, it isn't about right and left, it is that the BBC have a problem with group think, formed by being an overwhelmingly young liberal metropolitan work.
And you can see it, social issues, immigration, there is nought between them and the Guardian. Any talk of getting tough on immigration gets the but but but what about the fruit pickers. Economics, its more restrained, but you see the outrage bus firing up if taxes start going on on £100k a year workers or people who have personal service companies....we saw it when Brown did it, we saw it when Hammond did it, and Corbyn got lots of close "inspection" over all the taxes he would want to impose.
It is why New Labour-esque stances seem to get the lightest of dusting.
The BBC should be moved from London to, say, somewhere like Newent, employing local people. Either Newent would become a Labour / Green marginal or the BBC would more accurately reflect the views of non metropolitans.
Didn't they already move a chunk of it to Salford?
Media City! I was at the Quays in September last year.
That 9% now voting Reform is closer to the 12% who voted UKIP in 2015 than the 3% who voted Brexit party or UKIP in 2019.
Sunak cannot afford to keep leaking Tory voters to his right to Reform, especially given the votes he has already lost in the redwall and other marginal seats Boris won to Labour
That 9% now voting Reform is closer to the 12% who voted UKIP in 2015 than the 3% who voted Brexit party or UKIP in 2019.
Sunak cannot afford to keep leaking Tory voters to his right to Reform, especially given the votes he has already lost in the redwall and other marginal seats Boris won to Labour
Yeah, but those REFUK voters don't really exist, which is why REFUK does so badly in real elections, and the Tories don't benefit from their real vote being lower.
They did exist in 2015 when 12% voted UKIP and most of those voters who voted Conservative in 2017 and 2019 are now voting ReformUK.
At the same time Sunak has lost redwall Leave voters Boris won in 2019 back to Labour and many Remain voters who voted for Cameron are voting for Starmer or the LDs
Officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration in Grosvenor Place.
The group were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings. Officers are using their Section 60 and 60AA powers to detain and search those involved.
Leon, Flinter Knappers Gazette, our man on the spot.
So that’s 150 troublemakers out of 300,000 marchers. 0.05%.
And yet, our destitute man’s version of Alan Whicker scoffs at descriptions of today’s march for Palestine as largely peaceful and then wonders why people don’t take him seriously.
Top tip: don’t attempt to style yourself as Kate Adie when your substance is Katie Hopkins.
The chances of @Leon writing objectively on any issue involving Muslims is pretty slim.
The same is true for you, you seem to assume they are all good, he assumes they are all bad. Like most people there are the good , the bad and the in the middle
Absolutely not true. I do not “assume they are all bad”
See my comment upthread. I described 90% of the march - predominantly Muslim - as good natured, amiable, well meaning. And it was. Lot of pleasant families down from bradford etc. All rather jolly (the chanting aside)
But yes I also pointed out the 5-10% who were blatantly nastier and out for a fight
Let me rephrase then, you post about bad muslims a lot, foxy posts about good muslims a lot.
People are people regardless of race , gender, creed or ideology, some arseholes, some saints mostly people in the middle
Yes, absolutely true. Indeed I made that same point on here a week ago
Most people around the world are really quite NICE - everywhere you go. That one of the best things you learn from travelling a lot. The sheer niceness, helpfulness and generosity of most people - who enjoy a joke and want a peaceful life - Muslim or Buddhist, Chinese or African, old or young
So, why are right wing people so nasty? Why have Tories essentially become nastier?
Oops. That won't please the "close mickey mouse courses" brigade.
I think it is courses like nursing, policing, town planning, engineering, surveying, teaching etc that actually lead to solid jobs.
I think its worth noting that before John Major's university revolution, lots of polytechnics weren't thought of as mickey mouse at all. Far from it. People went there for solid vocational educational courses, often in conjunction with their day job.
The issue was that most would specialise in a small number of subjects, as I say, overwhelmingly vocational. However to get the sweet university tag you had to offer a much wider range of subjects, but they didn't have the facilities or expertise to offer traditional courses (and they are very expensive to build out e.g. things like Chemistry are eye watering to run), so they instead created often a range of BS courses to fill quotas.
Oops. That won't please the "close mickey mouse courses" brigade.
I think it is courses like nursing, policing, town planning, engineering, surveying, teaching etc that actually lead to solid jobs.
The trouble with degrees is the number that do a degree mickey mouse or otherwise and actually get a job relevant to their degree which is why I am wary of figures like this. For example growing up I have a friend who got a first in marine biology, not something most would class as a mickey mouse degree....still no jobs for him in that line and as he didnt want to leave cornwall last time we met he was still a waiter in a cafe
That 9% now voting Reform is closer to the 12% who voted UKIP in 2015 than the 3% who voted Brexit party or UKIP in 2019.
Sunak cannot afford to keep leaking Tory voters to his right to Reform, especially given the votes he has already lost in the redwall and other marginal seats Boris won to Labour
Yeah, but those REFUK voters don't really exist, which is why REFUK does so badly in real elections, and the Tories don't benefit from their real vote being lower.
They did exist in 2015 when 12% voted UKIP and most of those voters who voted Conservative in 2017 and 2019 are now voting ReformUK.
At the same time Sunak has lost redwall Leave voters Boris won in 2019 back to Labour and many Remain voters who voted for Cameron are voting for Starmer or the LDs
We’ve all sorts on here, but, AFAIK, nobody has made a case for ReformUK.
I think UK needs reform but I suspect I’m a long, long way from being a ReformUK voter!
Officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration in Grosvenor Place.
The group were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings. Officers are using their Section 60 and 60AA powers to detain and search those involved.
Leon, Flinter Knappers Gazette, our man on the spot.
So that’s 150 troublemakers out of 300,000 marchers. 0.05%.
And yet, our destitute man’s version of Alan Whicker scoffs at descriptions of today’s march for Palestine as largely peaceful and then wonders why people don’t take him seriously.
Top tip: don’t attempt to style yourself as Kate Adie when your substance is Katie Hopkins.
The chances of @Leon writing objectively on any issue involving Muslims is pretty slim.
The same is true for you, you seem to assume they are all good, he assumes they are all bad. Like most people there are the good , the bad and the in the middle
Absolutely not true. I do not “assume they are all bad”
See my comment upthread. I described 90% of the march - predominantly Muslim - as good natured, amiable, well meaning. And it was. Lot of pleasant families down from bradford etc. All rather jolly (the chanting aside)
But yes I also pointed out the 5-10% who were blatantly nastier and out for a fight
People are people regardless of race , gender, creed or ideology, some arseholes, some saints mostly people in the middle
I've love to see Dave Gahan try and sing that version.
Officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration in Grosvenor Place.
The group were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings. Officers are using their Section 60 and 60AA powers to detain and search those involved.
Leon, Flinter Knappers Gazette, our man on the spot.
So that’s 150 troublemakers out of 300,000 marchers. 0.05%.
And yet, our destitute man’s version of Alan Whicker scoffs at descriptions of today’s march for Palestine as largely peaceful and then wonders why people don’t take him seriously.
Top tip: don’t attempt to style yourself as Kate Adie when your substance is Katie Hopkins.
The chances of @Leon writing objectively on any issue involving Muslims is pretty slim.
The same is true for you, you seem to assume they are all good, he assumes they are all bad. Like most people there are the good , the bad and the in the middle
Absolutely not true. I do not “assume they are all bad”
See my comment upthread. I described 90% of the march - predominantly Muslim - as good natured, amiable, well meaning. And it was. Lot of pleasant families down from bradford etc. All rather jolly (the chanting aside)
But yes I also pointed out the 5-10% who were blatantly nastier and out for a fight
Let me rephrase then, you post about bad muslims a lot, foxy posts about good muslims a lot.
People are people regardless of race , gender, creed or ideology, some arseholes, some saints mostly people in the middle
Yes, absolutely true. Indeed I made that same point on here a week ago
Most people around the world are really quite NICE - everywhere you go. That one of the best things you learn from travelling a lot. The sheer niceness, helpfulness and generosity of most people - who enjoy a joke and want a peaceful life - Muslim or Buddhist, Chinese or African, old or young
So, why are right wing people so nasty? Why have Tories essentially become nastier?
Right wing people like me might be nastier because we aren't landlords like you and living off the sweat of other peoples labour?
Regarding university and jobs... I think going to a high level university can give you a problematic over-confidence. I know lots of people who went to high level universities and particularly from high status families who then cannot reconcile themselves to doing some kind of ordinary job.
That 9% now voting Reform is closer to the 12% who voted UKIP in 2015 than the 3% who voted Brexit party or UKIP in 2019.
Sunak cannot afford to keep leaking Tory voters to his right to Reform, especially given the votes he has already lost in the redwall and other marginal seats Boris won to Labour
Earlier I got some grief for stating that Sunak is leaking votes to the left and the right, but the evidence is there. The core vote is dwindling, and it can't be revived by a lurch left or right.
Officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration in Grosvenor Place.
The group were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings. Officers are using their Section 60 and 60AA powers to detain and search those involved.
Leon, Flinter Knappers Gazette, our man on the spot.
So that’s 150 troublemakers out of 300,000 marchers. 0.05%.
And yet, our destitute man’s version of Alan Whicker scoffs at descriptions of today’s march for Palestine as largely peaceful and then wonders why people don’t take him seriously.
Top tip: don’t attempt to style yourself as Kate Adie when your substance is Katie Hopkins.
The chances of @Leon writing objectively on any issue involving Muslims is pretty slim.
The same is true for you, you seem to assume they are all good, he assumes they are all bad. Like most people there are the good , the bad and the in the middle
Absolutely not true. I do not “assume they are all bad”
See my comment upthread. I described 90% of the march - predominantly Muslim - as good natured, amiable, well meaning. And it was. Lot of pleasant families down from bradford etc. All rather jolly (the chanting aside)
But yes I also pointed out the 5-10% who were blatantly nastier and out for a fight
Let me rephrase then, you post about bad muslims a lot, foxy posts about good muslims a lot.
People are people regardless of race , gender, creed or ideology, some arseholes, some saints mostly people in the middle
Yes, absolutely true. Indeed I made that same point on here a week ago
Most people around the world are really quite NICE - everywhere you go. That one of the best things you learn from travelling a lot. The sheer niceness, helpfulness and generosity of most people - who enjoy a joke and want a peaceful life - Muslim or Buddhist, Chinese or African, old or young
So, why are right wing people so nasty? Why have Tories essentially become nastier?
Right wing people like me might be nastier because we aren't landlords like you and living off the sweat of other peoples labour?
But on average, aren't landlords/property owners one of the few groups the Conservatives can still rely on?
Officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration in Grosvenor Place.
The group were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings. Officers are using their Section 60 and 60AA powers to detain and search those involved.
Leon, Flinter Knappers Gazette, our man on the spot.
So that’s 150 troublemakers out of 300,000 marchers. 0.05%.
And yet, our destitute man’s version of Alan Whicker scoffs at descriptions of today’s march for Palestine as largely peaceful and then wonders why people don’t take him seriously.
Top tip: don’t attempt to style yourself as Kate Adie when your substance is Katie Hopkins.
The chances of @Leon writing objectively on any issue involving Muslims is pretty slim.
The same is true for you, you seem to assume they are all good, he assumes they are all bad. Like most people there are the good , the bad and the in the middle
Absolutely not true. I do not “assume they are all bad”
See my comment upthread. I described 90% of the march - predominantly Muslim - as good natured, amiable, well meaning. And it was. Lot of pleasant families down from bradford etc. All rather jolly (the chanting aside)
But yes I also pointed out the 5-10% who were blatantly nastier and out for a fight
Let me rephrase then, you post about bad muslims a lot, foxy posts about good muslims a lot.
People are people regardless of race , gender, creed or ideology, some arseholes, some saints mostly people in the middle
Yes, absolutely true. Indeed I made that same point on here a week ago
Most people around the world are really quite NICE - everywhere you go. That one of the best things you learn from travelling a lot. The sheer niceness, helpfulness and generosity of most people - who enjoy a joke and want a peaceful life - Muslim or Buddhist, Chinese or African, old or young
So, why are right wing people so nasty? Why have Tories essentially become nastier?
Right wing people like me might be nastier because we aren't landlords like you and living off the sweat of other peoples labour?
But on average, aren't landlords/property owners one of the few groups the Conservatives can still rely on?
A lot of right wing people are renters such as myself yet get left wingers like tyson claiming we are all like that while hypocritically making their money that way
Officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration in Grosvenor Place.
The group were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings. Officers are using their Section 60 and 60AA powers to detain and search those involved.
Leon, Flinter Knappers Gazette, our man on the spot.
So that’s 150 troublemakers out of 300,000 marchers. 0.05%.
And yet, our destitute man’s version of Alan Whicker scoffs at descriptions of today’s march for Palestine as largely peaceful and then wonders why people don’t take him seriously.
Top tip: don’t attempt to style yourself as Kate Adie when your substance is Katie Hopkins.
The chances of @Leon writing objectively on any issue involving Muslims is pretty slim.
The same is true for you, you seem to assume they are all good, he assumes they are all bad. Like most people there are the good , the bad and the in the middle
Absolutely not true. I do not “assume they are all bad”
See my comment upthread. I described 90% of the march - predominantly Muslim - as good natured, amiable, well meaning. And it was. Lot of pleasant families down from bradford etc. All rather jolly (the chanting aside)
But yes I also pointed out the 5-10% who were blatantly nastier and out for a fight
Let me rephrase then, you post about bad muslims a lot, foxy posts about good muslims a lot.
People are people regardless of race , gender, creed or ideology, some arseholes, some saints mostly people in the middle
Yes, absolutely true. Indeed I made that same point on here a week ago
Most people around the world are really quite NICE - everywhere you go. That one of the best things you learn from travelling a lot. The sheer niceness, helpfulness and generosity of most people - who enjoy a joke and want a peaceful life - Muslim or Buddhist, Chinese or African, old or young
So, why are right wing people so nasty? Why have Tories essentially become nastier?
Right wing people like me might be nastier because we aren't landlords like you and living off the sweat of other peoples labour?
But on average, aren't landlords/property owners one of the few groups the Conservatives can still rely on?
Not landlords, the tax changes have been very punitive plus high interest rates, lots of unhappy people who thought do buy to let with a small number of homes will be my pension and got shafted.
Oops. That won't please the "close mickey mouse courses" brigade.
Reducing judgements about degrees/training etc to money is a worthless enterprise and subverts the entire purpose of academia, and indeed the entire purpose of bothering to exist at all.
Officers have detained a breakaway group of around 150 people from the pro-Palestinian demonstration in Grosvenor Place.
The group were firing fireworks and many are wearing face coverings. Officers are using their Section 60 and 60AA powers to detain and search those involved.
Leon, Flinter Knappers Gazette, our man on the spot.
So that’s 150 troublemakers out of 300,000 marchers. 0.05%.
And yet, our destitute man’s version of Alan Whicker scoffs at descriptions of today’s march for Palestine as largely peaceful and then wonders why people don’t take him seriously.
Top tip: don’t attempt to style yourself as Kate Adie when your substance is Katie Hopkins.
The chances of @Leon writing objectively on any issue involving Muslims is pretty slim.
The same is true for you, you seem to assume they are all good, he assumes they are all bad. Like most people there are the good , the bad and the in the middle
Absolutely not true. I do not “assume they are all bad”
See my comment upthread. I described 90% of the march - predominantly Muslim - as good natured, amiable, well meaning. And it was. Lot of pleasant families down from bradford etc. All rather jolly (the chanting aside)
But yes I also pointed out the 5-10% who were blatantly nastier and out for a fight
Let me rephrase then, you post about bad muslims a lot, foxy posts about good muslims a lot.
People are people regardless of race , gender, creed or ideology, some arseholes, some saints mostly people in the middle
Yes, absolutely true. Indeed I made that same point on here a week ago
Most people around the world are really quite NICE - everywhere you go. That one of the best things you learn from travelling a lot. The sheer niceness, helpfulness and generosity of most people - who enjoy a joke and want a peaceful life - Muslim or Buddhist, Chinese or African, old or young
So, why are right wing people so nasty? Why have Tories essentially become nastier?
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I've been happy to call out silliness of his in the past, including on nukes, UFOs, lethal super viruses, the end of the world (part 489) and Super Terminator Vengeance AI, but on this I think he's being fair - and I note his posts have just been confirmed by police kettling and arrests of the fireworks mob.
'Imagine no possessions.'
11 days from the Dutch General Election and if the polls are right there's going to be a real political earthquake in The Hague.
The current VVD/D66/CDA/CU coalition is set to collapse from 78 seats in the 150 seat Parliament to just 42 with D66 taking a huge hit dropping from 24 to 7 and CDA going from 15 to 5.
Rutte's VVD goes down from 34 to 27 and may be supplanted as largest party by a grouping formed just three months ago - New Social Contract (NSC). NSC are set to win 28 seats. Their leader, Pieter Omtzigt, a former member of CDA, is a maverick Duthc politician, centrist but with a Euro-sceptic edge whose rise to power came about via an exposure relating to childcare benefits.
His party have asked to join the EPP grouping in the European Parliament which suggests to me he's more of a centre-right figure. Whether he could work with the VVD remains to be seen.
Another group set to gain seats is the combined Social Democratic/Green electoral bloc which should go from 17 to 24 while the Freedom Party, led by Geert Wilders, should advance from 17 to 21.
The other surprise grouping are BBB (Farmer Citizen Movement) who looked at one point to be emerging as a real populist party but whose advance has bene checked somewhat by the rise of NSC. Nonetheless, they should win nine seats.
Post election Government formation looks interesting to say the least.
He says he will be meeting the Met commissioner in coming days to ensure all criminality from both groups was properly dealt with today with the full force of the law
https://x.com/RishiSunak/status/1723406007844380964?s=20
Now if they want to do a piece about the why this is the case. Now that is a more interesting story and far lesser known.
"You've gone looking for trouble from the Pro-Palestinian side and predictably, amid a crowd of hundreds of thousands, you've found it. We all appreciated there could be trouble; the surprise is that so far there has not been more."?
Leon it was who dismissed the EDL (82 arrests) as "200 pathetic, drunk football hooligans".
Fundamentally, it was all too obvious that Leon would be there looking for evidence of trouble in the Pro-Palestinian march. I predicted it this morning and so it came to pass. His disappointment that the march has passed off largely peacefully so far is palpable.
Edit: Amusingly, I see Leon has coincidentally just posted to challenge the "largely peaceful" summary.
It's a classic example of what @rcs1000 often says: people decide what they believe and then filter evidence to fit that, not the other way round.
A sad human frailty.
LDs on 11, Reform on 9, Greens on 6.
All Margin of Error stuff of course - the first Opinium poll of the year in January was 45-29 so if anything a small drift from the two main parties.
The split of Labour/Liberal Democrat/Green vs Conservative/Reform was 59-35 then, it's 60-35 now.
Nothing has changed so far this year.
Vocational degrees such as games art and e-sports production can lead to better-paid jobs than established courses like law
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/11/11/graduate-salaries-polytechnics-russell-group-universities/ (£££)
Oops. That won't please the "close mickey mouse courses" brigade.
Source? My pro photographer friend who joined me for the first two hours. He’s an actual football hooligan (or was, he’s now a middle aged dad)
But he still goes to games every weekend and knows all the subcultures. He was able to explain everything and he actually pointed to a couple of thugs (getting arrested) as “obviously on coke”
I Crossed The World's Deadliest Jungle: Darien Gap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aswvkdCpZYc&
I'm been there, its quite a place.
Imagine is an inane dirge
Am I deeply unusual? Or am I flitting transparently through life without seeing stuff right in front of my nose, like Patrick Swayze in Ghost?
It’s very sad to see.
I doubt people here are bigoted like that. I’ve not see it.
We just need to be kind
To measure it should be average salary in the area/ number of degrees awarded in the subject.
Anyway, it's just a song - and a stunningly average one at that.
If you’ve been following the BBC all day you will now be amazed to hear that this largely peaceful march has now suddenly ended in violence, with fireworks aimed at cops and various scuffles, stabbings etc
Meanwhile I warned you about the fireworks three hours ago and also clued you up on a deeply sinister element within the march, surely bent on violence
I mean, if you or he are offended by my toungue-in-cheek "I'm sure they saw Leon's post and got right on the case at once" you need to get a life.
I have to say slightly bemused by claim that 5 years out average Liverpool Law grad is on sub £30k. That seems very low.
And yet, our destitute man’s version of Alan Whicker scoffs at descriptions of today’s march for Palestine as largely peaceful and then wonders why people don’t take him seriously.
Top tip: don’t attempt to style yourself as Kate Adie when your substance is Katie Hopkins.
The same is almost certainly true of cocaine. But it takes one to nose one...
I bet half of them have got Bully XLs too.
No change is no good for Sunak. He is doomed and he knows it.
'Roman Chervinsky, a decorated 48-year-old colonel who served in Ukraine’s Special Operations Forces, was the “coordinator” of the Nord Stream operation, people familiar with his role said, managing logistics and support for a six-person team that rented a sailboat under false identities and used deep-sea diving equipment to place explosive charges on the gas pipelines. On Sept. 26, 2022, three explosions caused massive leaks on the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines, which run from Russia to Germany under the Baltic Sea. The attack left only one of the four gas links in the network intact as winter approached.'
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/11/11/nordstream-bombing-ukraine-chervinsky/
I didn't read the post to which you refer, so couldn't very well comment on it.
EXCL - Operation Save Suella to be launched this week
Group of Tory MPs are organising a letter to Rishi Sunak backing the Home Secretary and urging him to stick with her
Will he agree? Fevered rumours the long-awaited reshuffle could be within days
@LucyMPowell
🤦🏻♀️. But reality is Sunak only makes a decision once he’s done a full spreadsheet of Tory MPs. Weak. Weak. Can’t make up his own mind.
🚨 New polling in conjuction with
@ObserverUK
Labour’s lead is back up to 17 points from 15 a fortnight ago.
•Labour 43% (+1)
•Conservatives 26% (-1)
•Lib Dems 11% (+1)
•SNP 3% (n/c)
•Greens 6% (-1)
•Reform 9% (+1)
See my comment upthread. I described 90% of the march - predominantly Muslim - as good natured, amiable, well meaning. And it was. Lot of pleasant families down from bradford etc. All rather jolly (the chanting aside)
But yes I also pointed out the 5-10% who were blatantly nastier and out for a fight
People are people regardless of race , gender, creed or ideology, some arseholes, some saints mostly people in the middle
For saying that Islam is systemically misogynisticnistic and homophobic for example.
Sunak cannot afford to keep leaking Tory voters to his right to Reform, especially given the votes he has already lost in the redwall and other marginal seats Boris won to Labour
“In addition, I understand that Hamas-style headbands were worn – this was probably an offence contrary to the Terrorism Act.”
He added: “In our view policing should have been stricter at previous marches. We hope that the police have now taken on board the serious concerns that have been expressed regarding the propagation of hate on our streets, and that there is now greater determination to enforce the criminal law.”
A spokesperson for Jewish security charity Community Security Trust told The Telegraph: “Yet again a protest - attended by many people claiming to be anti-racist - contained many examples of Jew-haters with their homemade placards, obsessing about Nazism, the Holocaust; and with the old accusations of Jews or Zionist controlling politicians and the media.
“We still have Holocaust survivors living here in London.
“How much longer will they, and many others in our Jewish community, have to stand by in our own city with this anti-Semitism on display week in, week out?”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/11/11/protesters-extreme-anti-semitic-signs-pro-palestinian-march/
Most people around the world are really quite NICE - everywhere you go. That one of the best things you learn from travelling a lot. The sheer niceness, helpfulness and generosity of most people - who enjoy a joke and want a peaceful life - Muslim or Buddhist, Chinese or African, old or young
He never was very good with figures.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12738211/Michael-gove-mobbed-pro-palestine-supporters-protest-london-victoria-station.html
I was talking to one copper quite intensely about the day. He was pleased to have a friendly chat I think. And thankful to meet someone not hostile
At the end I said “anyway well done you guys, you have a tough job, policing this, you do it well” and as I said it this a muslim girl in a hijab overheard the exchange and she politely interrupted to say “yes, I agree, Thankyou” to the policeman and she added “you’ve been really good” and she obviously meant it
And he looked properly touched.
https://sotn.newstatesman.com/2023/07/polls-overstating-support-reform
Grasping at straws @HYUFD
At the same time Sunak has lost redwall Leave voters Boris won in 2019 back to Labour and many Remain voters who voted for Cameron are voting for Starmer or the LDs
The issue was that most would specialise in a small number of subjects, as I say, overwhelmingly vocational. However to get the sweet university tag you had to offer a much wider range of subjects, but they didn't have the facilities or expertise to offer traditional courses (and they are very expensive to build out e.g. things like Chemistry are eye watering to run), so they instead created often a range of BS courses to fill quotas.
I think UK needs reform but I suspect I’m a long, long way from being a ReformUK voter!
Anyone seen the film Anatomy of a Fall?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzGnX-MbYE4&t=2s