Even cnn says Ukraines counteroffensive is going poorly. This is a big distraction from the total slaughter of ukrainian men on the front line.
Ukraine’s counteroffensive is having less success and Russian forces are showing more competence than western assessments expected, two western officials and a senior US military official tell CNN. The counteroffensive is “not meeting expectations on any front,” one of them said
I'd worry more about getting paid than trolling on here. If you signed an agrement with Putin, I suspect you may find the cheques bounce very shortly......
The west is going bankrupt and you are talking about my cheques bouncing. When china dumps us treasurys uk mortgage rates will be back to 15%. Mass bankruptcy for the uk home owners.
Ah China. Whatever you say. They aren't daft. They've played you like a balalaika through all of this.
The global south is behind russia or havent you noticed. The West has lost a lot of respect in the past year.
There’s certainly some truth in this.
Max Hastings wrote a good piece about the war earlier in the week and made the point how the rest of the world is not on page s the west.
Wow, I'm quaking. South Sudan, Venezuela and Bangladesh back Russia. Ukraine is dooooooomed.
Rumours that Medvedev and family have fled Moscow. Even rumours that Putin has fled
Almost certainly baseless rumours without merit. Apart from being highly entertaining
The Ukraine war could be over by Tuesday
At this point I doubt it - I think Putin's machinery of repression is too strong, the Russian people are too apathetic and Prigozhin's forces are too small. Also Prigozhin has spent the last few months insulting the Russian armed forces, so I'm not sure their officer corps will rally to him.
But it's obviously a volatile situation, and difficult to judge from afar.
Too small versus what though?
Russia is a Muscovite Empire, whoever controls Moscow controls Russia.
But if Putin's troops are committed to Ukraine, then who's left to defend Moscow?
And are the forces that are there prepared to fight and die against the battle-hardened Wagner troops?
I think the wishes for chaos in Russia are unwise.
A country as vast and well-armed as that does not spiral into chaos without it affecting large areas of the rest of the world, for diverse, military, migratory , and economic reasons. It wouldn't be something we could just cheerfully watch from our armchairs.
Hopefully there will be a full blown civil war and the country will be less vast and less well armed by the end of it.
C'mon. This is heartless, blase and juvenile.
I have plenty of heart for the victims of Moscow's aggression.
Which includes plenty of every day Russians who are repressed and sent to the meat grinder in order to support Moscow's regime.
The collapse of Russia as a unitary state would be great news for the world, and great news for ordinary Russians.
Why are you so heartless as to oppose that?
Seems you are in favour of people been mindlessly killed. Not a good look. We could have had peace in ukraine last year and saved tens of thousands of ukrainian lives.
An early Dilbert cartoon (before Scott Adams went full on Tonto) sums up what's wrong with that attitude.
DOGBERT: I wish humanity would renounce violence. DILBERT: That's a beautiful thought. DOGBERT: Then I could conquer this entire dumb planet with just a butter knife.
Peace won by appeasing an aggressor is no such thing. Because the grim lesson of human history is that the aggressor is never appeased. Deaths aren't avoided, just postponed.
Ever get that nagging doubt? That self-questioning of whether you've backed the wrong horse and really screwed up?
superiority and the ability to discover and destroy enemy troop concentrations and supply depots får behind the frontline. Good Russian reconnaissance makes strategic, and often even tactical, surprise nearly impossible. Russia also have a clear advantage in artillery. Russian air superiority and good reconnaissance makes Ukrainian attacks very hard. Especially since there are enormous amounts of mines everywhere. The UkrAF also seems to lack good Air Defence at the frontline. Russian losses of aircrafts has been very low. When Ukrainian ground units attack they must attack through mine fields since they can't demine them in advance due to Russian fire control. Ukrainian forces can't concentrate in huge numbers since they will be discovered in advance if they do that. The Ukrainians have to rush through the minefields with limited resources and hope that their follow up reinforcements don't get to mauled by Russian air power and artillery. If the Ukrainian forces are strong enough RuAF retreat and their old positions become an artillery trap. After a while the newly captured Ukrainian position is transformed to a moon landscape and Russian forces counterattack. Mostly they succeeds in recapturing lost territory and the Ukrainians withdraw. Sometimes Ukrainian units hold on to newly captured positions and move the frontline one or two kilometers, but to a high price. During these 19 days Ukraine has fought an uphill battle, which seemed doomed from the start. The result is probably clearly higher casualties among the Ukrainians, than by the Russian side. This means that UkrAF becomes weaker in comparison to the RuAF. That's one goal not achieved. If the other goals where successful you could accept normal losses, but that's not the case. Ukrainian territorial gains, both on the Southern and Eastern fronts has been minimal and nothing indicates that will change. That in combination with high losses, especially losses on video, destroys all possibility of a propaganda victory. Now Ukraine must try to hide the failed counteroffensive by denying it's existence and downplaying the losses. Ukraine and its supporters still dominate western media so they might have some success there. But doubts will grow even in the west, that the war is winnable and worth spending huge resources on.
Ukrainians will have to swallow a bitter pill - The Wall Street Journal. By the end of the year, Western support for Kiev will grow so tired that zelensky will be forced to compromise.
This is a cage fight between military factions, not a civil war - thankfully. The general Russian population is not engaged. They will just have to put up with whichever faction comes out on top. For Ukraine it promises the end of their ordeal to be in sight.
Civil wars don't necessarily have to have the engagement of the ordinary population. Two military structures fighting one another for control of (part of) a country is pretty much the definition of a civil war.
Ordinary Russians will say "meh, the ruler whoever is over the hills and far away"
Far more Russians died in the civil war than in WW1. Mostly of starvation. About 8 million died. Every sane person in Russia wants to avoid civil war.
Yebbut, like I said, this is a spat between military factions, not a civil war. It is an attempted coup played out in the open, on the road and on Twitter. You need to reboot if you think this is or will become a civil war
It's not a civil war and it probably won't become one, but it may do. It would suit the Kiev government down to the ground, as well as those who salivate at the idea of welcoming Ukraine and Belarus into NATO, if it did.
There hasn't been a coup yet either, although the Daily Telegraph are using that word:
No coup. Putin himself is using "armed rebellion". Like the Civil War/conflict between military factions debate, this is largely semantics. A person with an Army is attempting to overthrow the Government. Both sides are open that that is what is happening.
Anyone who has more knowledge than opinions have any idea of the type (if one exists) of relationship there is between Prigozhin and Navalny? If there's any possibility of collaboration there that could get very interesting.
Even cnn says Ukraines counteroffensive is going poorly. This is a big distraction from the total slaughter of ukrainian men on the front line.
Ukraine’s counteroffensive is having less success and Russian forces are showing more competence than western assessments expected, two western officials and a senior US military official tell CNN. The counteroffensive is “not meeting expectations on any front,” one of them said
I'd worry more about getting paid than trolling on here. If you signed an agrement with Putin, I suspect you may find the cheques bounce very shortly......
The west is going bankrupt and you are talking about my cheques bouncing. When china dumps us treasurys uk mortgage rates will be back to 15%. Mass bankruptcy for the uk home owners.
Ah China. Whatever you say. They aren't daft. They've played you like a balalaika through all of this.
The global south is behind russia or havent you noticed. The West has lost a lot of respect in the past year.
There’s certainly some truth in this.
Max Hastings wrote a good piece about the war earlier in the week and made the point how the rest of the world is not on page s the west.
Theer is a world of difference between much of the world not giving much of a shit about it, or feeling its consequences being more keen on the idea of a ceasefire etc, and being 'behind Russia'. The intended implication was Russia is supported in its actions, and very very few are doing that - even China are lukewarm, and they are probably the most despicable regime on the planet.
Rumours that Medvedev and family have fled Moscow. Even rumours that Putin has fled
Almost certainly baseless rumours without merit. Apart from being highly entertaining
The Ukraine war could be over by Tuesday
At this point I doubt it - I think Putin's machinery of repression is too strong, the Russian people are too apathetic and Prigozhin's forces are too small. Also Prigozhin has spent the last few months insulting the Russian armed forces, so I'm not sure their officer corps will rally to him.
But it's obviously a volatile situation, and difficult to judge from afar.
Too small versus what though?
Russia is a Muscovite Empire, whoever controls Moscow controls Russia.
But if Putin's troops are committed to Ukraine, then who's left to defend Moscow?
And are the forces that are there prepared to fight and die against the battle-hardened Wagner troops?
The National Guard, is the textbook answer. Dictatorship 101, you always have a Praetorian Guard loyal to you personally and completely separate from the Army. In practice who knows?
Sources lighting up like a Christmas tree. The regime is in total meltdown. No matter how this ends, it ends one way or another.
After all these years of fear and doubt, facing the bloodcurdling threats, the lies, the corruption, the subversion, the utter brutality, the war and threats of war, the simple evil of it, I can barely take it in.
Remember the cia will be spreading false rumours to try to destabilise the situation.
The one functioning military unit in Russia has turned on the President.
Hard to see how things could be much more unstable than that, or what false rumour could exceed the reality.
Why do people of your "type" hate rudsia so much. Makes you act irrationally. Next you will be telling us the uk is a nation of immigrants and playing victim when people push back.
The leaders of the regime are fleeing. Putin denied entry to KZ, came to Valday to pick up Alina and kids, no one knows where he is going next. Medvedev evacuating.
This is looking increasingly terminal.
Fuxsake, if that is true that is dramatic.
And actually worrying because we don’t want that butter Prigozhin in power.
At least he's funny - unlike VVP.
I always thought YVP's sporadically articulated deathwish was just social media theatrics (LAB LEAK!) but maybe it's for real.
Surovikin is the guy he needs to cleave away from VVP. Ideally a few other influential 4 stars like Zolotov and Korolev also.
Rumours that Medvedev and family have fled Moscow. Even rumours that Putin has fled
Almost certainly baseless rumours without merit. Apart from being highly entertaining
The Ukraine war could be over by Tuesday
At this point I doubt it - I think Putin's machinery of repression is too strong, the Russian people are too apathetic and Prigozhin's forces are too small. Also Prigozhin has spent the last few months insulting the Russian armed forces, so I'm not sure their officer corps will rally to him.
But it's obviously a volatile situation, and difficult to judge from afar.
Too small versus what though?
Russia is a Muscovite Empire, whoever controls Moscow controls Russia.
But if Putin's troops are committed to Ukraine, then who's left to defend Moscow?
And are the forces that are there prepared to fight and die against the battle-hardened Wagner troops?
The National Guard? The presidential guard? The paramilitary city police? Not sure. We'll see how formidable and loyal those troops are.
superiority and the ability to discover and destroy enemy troop concentrations and supply depots får behind the frontline. Good Russian reconnaissance makes strategic, and often even tactical, surprise nearly impossible. Russia also have a clear advantage in artillery. Russian air superiority and good reconnaissance makes Ukrainian attacks very hard. Especially since there are enormous amounts of mines everywhere. The UkrAF also seems to lack good Air Defence at the frontline. Russian losses of aircrafts has been very low. When Ukrainian ground units attack they must attack through mine fields since they can't demine them in advance due to Russian fire control. Ukrainian forces can't concentrate in huge numbers since they will be discovered in advance if they do that. The Ukrainians have to rush through the minefields with limited resources and hope that their follow up reinforcements don't get to mauled by Russian air power and artillery. If the Ukrainian forces are strong enough RuAF retreat and their old positions become an artillery trap. After a while the newly captured Ukrainian position is transformed to a moon landscape and Russian forces counterattack. Mostly they succeeds in recapturing lost territory and the Ukrainians withdraw. Sometimes Ukrainian units hold on to newly captured positions and move the frontline one or two kilometers, but to a high price. During these 19 days Ukraine has fought an uphill battle, which seemed doomed from the start. The result is probably clearly higher casualties among the Ukrainians, than by the Russian side. This means that UkrAF becomes weaker in comparison to the RuAF. That's one goal not achieved. If the other goals where successful you could accept normal losses, but that's not the case. Ukrainian territorial gains, both on the Southern and Eastern fronts has been minimal and nothing indicates that will change. That in combination with high losses, especially losses on video, destroys all possibility of a propaganda victory. Now Ukraine must try to hide the failed counteroffensive by denying it's existence and downplaying the losses. Ukraine and its supporters still dominate western media so they might have some success there. But doubts will grow even in the west, that the war is winnable and worth spending huge resources on.
Rumours that Medvedev and family have fled Moscow. Even rumours that Putin has fled
Almost certainly baseless rumours without merit. Apart from being highly entertaining
The Ukraine war could be over by Tuesday
At this point I doubt it - I think Putin's machinery of repression is too strong, the Russian people are too apathetic and Prigozhin's forces are too small. Also Prigozhin has spent the last few months insulting the Russian armed forces, so I'm not sure their officer corps will rally to him.
But it's obviously a volatile situation, and difficult to judge from afar.
Too small versus what though?
Russia is a Muscovite Empire, whoever controls Moscow controls Russia.
But if Putin's troops are committed to Ukraine, then who's left to defend Moscow?
And are the forces that are there prepared to fight and die against the battle-hardened Wagner troops?
The National Guard, is the textbook answer. Dictatorship 101, you always have a Praetorian Guard loyal to you personally and completely separate from the Army. In practice who knows?
Russia has been a bit of anomaly in that regard I suppose, in that they have a large and powerful military (however shoddily it has been employed and maintained), when many dictators like a very weak army but for that praetorian guard sort. I suppose the issue is they have regional and global ambitions so the dictator cannot get away with starving the rest of the military completely.
Rumours that Medvedev and family have fled Moscow. Even rumours that Putin has fled
Almost certainly baseless rumours without merit. Apart from being highly entertaining
The Ukraine war could be over by Tuesday
At this point I doubt it - I think Putin's machinery of repression is too strong, the Russian people are too apathetic and Prigozhin's forces are too small. Also Prigozhin has spent the last few months insulting the Russian armed forces, so I'm not sure their officer corps will rally to him.
But it's obviously a volatile situation, and difficult to judge from afar.
Too small versus what though?
Russia is a Muscovite Empire, whoever controls Moscow controls Russia.
But if Putin's troops are committed to Ukraine, then who's left to defend Moscow?
And are the forces that are there prepared to fight and die against the battle-hardened Wagner troops?
The National Guard, is the textbook answer. Dictatorship 101, you always have a Praetorian Guard loyal to you personally and completely separate from the Army. In practice who knows?
The Praetorians were, of course, notoriously treacherous.
Nicholas II had an Imperial Guard of 60,000, who were mostly loyal, but decided to march them through a swamp in 1916, where most of them died. The so-called Imperial Guard of 1917 didn't lift a finger to save the monarchy.
I think the wishes for chaos in Russia are unwise.
A country as vast and well-armed as that does not spiral into chaos without it affecting large areas of the rest of the world, for diverse, military, migratory , and economic reasons. It wouldn't be something we could just cheerfully watch from our armchairs.
Hopefully there will be a full blown civil war and the country will be less vast and less well armed by the end of it.
C'mon. This is heartless, blase and juvenile.
I have plenty of heart for the victims of Moscow's aggression.
Which includes plenty of every day Russians who are repressed and sent to the meat grinder in order to support Moscow's regime.
The collapse of Russia as a unitary state would be great news for the world, and great news for ordinary Russians.
Why are you so heartless as to oppose that?
Seems you are in favour of people been mindlessly killed. Not a good look. We could have had peace in ukraine last year and saved tens of thousands of ukrainian lives.
An early Dilbert cartoon (before Scott Adams went full on Tonto) sums up what's wrong with that attitude.
DOGBERT: I wish humanity would renounce violence. DILBERT: That's a beautiful thought. DOGBERT: Then I could conquer this entire dumb planet with just a butter knife.
Peace won by appeasing an aggressor is no such thing. Because the grim lesson of human history is that the aggressor is never appeased. Deaths aren't avoided, just postponed.
Ever get that nagging doubt? That self-questioning of whether you've backed the wrong horse and really screwed up?
A good, early Simpsons Treehouse of Horror episode had the same concept too.
Lisa wishes for peace, everyone disarms and then the aliens invade.
Alien: Kneel before my slingshot puny earthling. Ned: Well I guess my first wish is to get rid of those awful aliens. Alien [fleeing]: Argh, he's got a board with a nail in it!
That board with a nail in it may have defeated us, but the humans won't stop there. They'll make bigger boards and bigger nails, and soon, they will make a board with a nail so big, it will destroy them all!
Even cnn says Ukraines counteroffensive is going poorly. This is a big distraction from the total slaughter of ukrainian men on the front line.
Ukraine’s counteroffensive is having less success and Russian forces are showing more competence than western assessments expected, two western officials and a senior US military official tell CNN. The counteroffensive is “not meeting expectations on any front,” one of them said
I'd worry more about getting paid than trolling on here. If you signed an agrement with Putin, I suspect you may find the cheques bounce very shortly......
The west is going bankrupt and you are talking about my cheques bouncing. When china dumps us treasurys uk mortgage rates will be back to 15%. Mass bankruptcy for the uk home owners.
You're right! I agree. Speaking of China, I might give them a go in a game of Victoria 2 shortly.
Nothing wrong with this map at all.
This whole thing reminds me of Vic2. I remember when I was being beastly to somewhere as the Americans and all of a sudden I got a bunch of Socialist rebels crawling out of the woodwork.
So Putin, if you're reading this, it can happen to the best of us.
Its pretty big cope to hope for a russian civil war to bail ukraine out from its disastrous counteroffensive. A lot of fuss and excitement over nothing. Big picture is Ukraine is losing badly.
Welcome to today’s Russian troll. Decided which side of the civil war you are on yet?
The disaterous counteroffensive.... nice try Ivan, now scat.
It's like Steiner's relief of Berlin.
Have HitlerRantsParodies done a Putin video today yet?
The leaders of the regime are fleeing. Putin denied entry to KZ, came to Valday to pick up Alina and kids, no one knows where he is going next. Medvedev evacuating.
This is looking increasingly terminal.
Fuxsake, if that is true that is dramatic.
And actually worrying because we don’t want that butter Prigozhin in power.
At least he's funny - unlike VVP.
I always thought YVP's sporadically articulated deathwish was just social media theatrics (LAB LEAK!) but maybe it's for real.
Surovikin is the guy he needs to cleave away from VVP. Ideally a few other influential 4 stars like Zolotov and Korolev also.
Seems like he's missed his opportunity to do so. But then, unexpected success would see people start to come over, so tear up the motorway YVP!
Ukrainians will have to swallow a bitter pill - The Wall Street Journal. By the end of the year, Western support for Kiev will grow so tired that zelensky will be forced to compromise.
Rumours that Medvedev and family have fled Moscow. Even rumours that Putin has fled
Almost certainly baseless rumours without merit. Apart from being highly entertaining
The Ukraine war could be over by Tuesday
At this point I doubt it - I think Putin's machinery of repression is too strong, the Russian people are too apathetic and Prigozhin's forces are too small. Also Prigozhin has spent the last few months insulting the Russian armed forces, so I'm not sure their officer corps will rally to him.
But it's obviously a volatile situation, and difficult to judge from afar.
Too small versus what though?
Russia is a Muscovite Empire, whoever controls Moscow controls Russia.
But if Putin's troops are committed to Ukraine, then who's left to defend Moscow?
And are the forces that are there prepared to fight and die against the battle-hardened Wagner troops?
The National Guard, is the textbook answer. Dictatorship 101, you always have a Praetorian Guard loyal to you personally and completely separate from the Army. In practice who knows?
The Praetorians were, of course, notoriously treacherous.
Nicholas II had an Imperial Guard of 60,000, who were mostly loyal, but decided to march them through a swamp in 1916, where most of them died. The so-called Imperial Guard of 1917 didn't lift a finger to save the monarchy.
Ukrainians will have to swallow a bitter pill - The Wall Street Journal. By the end of the year, Western support for Kiev will grow so tired that zelensky will be forced to compromise.
Even if the coup fails, who is left to prosecute the war in Ukraine? Wagner are the tip of the spear. Hell, they are the spear
Whatever happens, it is highly likely we will see an end to fighting in Ukraine or perhaps a rapid Ukrainian advance. Remaining Russian troops will be completely demoralised
Anyone who has more knowledge than opinions have any idea of the type (if one exists) of relationship there is between Prigozhin and Navalny? If there's any possibility of collaboration there that could get very interesting.
They both fucking hate Ukrainians so that's a solid foundation for a bromance. EVP doesn't really have a governing ideology beyond anarcho-capitalism. AAN has too much ideology and will be your private dancer adopting whatever political position is convenient.
Remember the cia will be spreading false rumours to try to destabilise the situation.
The one functioning military unit in Russia has turned on the President.
Hard to see how things could be much more unstable than that, or what false rumour could exceed the reality.
Why do people of your "type" hate rudsia so much. Makes you act irrationally. Next you will be telling us the uk is a nation of immigrants and playing victim when people push back.
Remember the cia will be spreading false rumours to try to destabilise the situation.
The one functioning military unit in Russia has turned on the President.
Hard to see how things could be much more unstable than that, or what false rumour could exceed the reality.
Why do people of your "type" hate rudsia so much. Makes you act irrationally. Next you will be telling us the uk is a nation of immigrants and playing victim when people push back.
Why do highly intelligent and very knowledgeable people with an interest in politics hate the Russian state?
It's a good question actually. I don't know. Maybe because the Russian state is made up of a bunch of lying, thieving, murdering, stupid, paedophile bellends.
Incidentally that disdain is also shared by the many Russian students I teach.
Ukrainians will have to swallow a bitter pill - The Wall Street Journal. By the end of the year, Western support for Kiev will grow so tired that zelensky will be forced to compromise.
Ukrainians will have to swallow a bitter pill - The Wall Street Journal. By the end of the year, Western support for Kiev will grow so tired that zelensky will be forced to compromise.
Remember the cia will be spreading false rumours to try to destabilise the situation.
The one functioning military unit in Russia has turned on the President.
Hard to see how things could be much more unstable than that, or what false rumour could exceed the reality.
Why do people of your "type" hate rudsia so much. Makes you act irrationally. Next you will be telling us the uk is a nation of immigrants and playing victim when people push back.
Why do highly intelligent and very knowledgeable people with an interest in politics hate the Russian state?
It's a good question actually. I don't know. Maybe because the Russian state is made up of a bunch of lying, thieving, murdering, stupid, paedophile bellends.
Incidentally that disdain is also shared by the many Russian students I teach.
A bunch of lying, thieving, murdering, stupid, paedophile bellends, with imperial ambitions.
Anyone who has more knowledge than opinions have any idea of the type (if one exists) of relationship there is between Prigozhin and Navalny? If there's any possibility of collaboration there that could get very interesting.
They both fucking hate Ukrainians so that's a solid foundation for a bromance. EVP doesn't really have a governing ideology beyond anarcho-capitalism. AAN has too much ideology and will be your private dancer adopting whatever political position is convenient.
But they will be too embroiled in consolidating power in Russia - if they overthrow Putin - to care about Ukraine. Same way the Bolsheviks swiftly sued for peace with the Kaiser to concentrate on fighting other Russians
Ultimately i think this is what happened. The west was in a panic due to losing the war in ukraine badly. Their options were a false flag or stir up internal.unrest in russia. They have gone for the 2nd option and i think Prigozhin was got at by the cia to cause trouble.
Remember the cia will be spreading false rumours to try to destabilise the situation.
The one functioning military unit in Russia has turned on the President.
Hard to see how things could be much more unstable than that, or what false rumour could exceed the reality.
Why do people of your "type" hate rudsia so much. Makes you act irrationally. Next you will be telling us the uk is a nation of immigrants and playing victim when people push back.
I always had a soft spot for Russia, until Vladolf Putler killed its democratic future.
Anyone who has more knowledge than opinions have any idea of the type (if one exists) of relationship there is between Prigozhin and Navalny? If there's any possibility of collaboration there that could get very interesting.
They both fucking hate Ukrainians so that's a solid foundation for a bromance. EVP doesn't really have a governing ideology beyond anarcho-capitalism. AAN has too much ideology and will be your private dancer adopting whatever political position is convenient.
Navalny wants Crimea returned to Ukraine so that's a start.
Ultimately i think this is what happened. The west was in a panic due to losing the war in ukraine badly. Their options were a false flag or stir up internal.unrest in russia. They have gone for the 2nd option and i think Prigozhin was got at by the cia to cause trouble.
Have you tried Macmillan? They're always looking for implausible fiction based on fundie political views that they can sell as fact. They publish Wolfe, Nixey, Irving for many years - you'd fit right in.
And they get good sales too. You might make a fortune.
Ukrainians will have to swallow a bitter pill - The Wall Street Journal. By the end of the year, Western support for Kiev will grow so tired that zelensky will be forced to compromise.
Its pretty big cope to hope for a russian civil war to bail ukraine out from its disastrous counteroffensive. A lot of fuss and excitement over nothing. Big picture is Ukraine is losing badly.
Welcome to today’s Russian troll. Decided which side of the civil war you are on yet?
The disaterous counteroffensive.... nice try Ivan, now scat.
It's like Steiner's relief of Berlin.
Have HitlerRantsParodies done a Putin video today yet?
- Mein Tsar, Wagner didn't have enough mercenaries loyal to you! The attack never took place!
- That was an order! Wagner's assault was an order! Who do you think you are to dare disobey an order I give? So this is what it has come to! The military has been lying to me. Everybody has been lying to me, even that buffoon Prigorzhin! Our generals are just a bunch of contemptible, disloyal cowards!
Even if the coup fails, who is left to prosecute the war in Ukraine? Wagner are the tip of the spear. Hell, they are the spear
Whatever happens, it is highly likely we will see an end to fighting in Ukraine or perhaps a rapid Ukrainian advance. Remaining Russian troops will be completely demoralised
We can hope so. They have put up dogged resistance from entrenched positions, and the Ukrainians deserve a good break for once.
I assume it might take several days for any disruptions to usual resupplies etc to be felt at the front.
Ultimately i think this is what happened. The west was in a panic due to losing the war in ukraine badly. Their options were a false flag or stir up internal.unrest in russia. They have gone for the 2nd option and i think Prigozhin was got at by the cia to cause trouble.
Ah, you've received instruction on the line ot take then. CIA asset Progozhin, eh? And the CIA was behind the spat between him and the regular army, and Putin siding with the latter?
I'd rather they spend their time more fruitfully if they have that influence.
It's going to be interesting to see the Tankie idiots and other usual suspects who always find a way of siding with Russia and blaming the West/NATO explain this. Their two braincells must be working overtime to come up with a way of blaming anyone but the rats in Russia.
Ultimately i think this is what happened. The west was in a panic due to losing the war in ukraine badly. Their options were a false flag or stir up internal.unrest in russia. They have gone for the 2nd option and i think Prigozhin was got at by the cia to cause trouble.
The CIA are remarkably efficient. The Soviets said they were behind the Volksaufstand, and Lavrenti Beria was an agent of theirs for 20 years.
Anyone who has more knowledge than opinions have any idea of the type (if one exists) of relationship there is between Prigozhin and Navalny? If there's any possibility of collaboration there that could get very interesting.
They both fucking hate Ukrainians so that's a solid foundation for a bromance. EVP doesn't really have a governing ideology beyond anarcho-capitalism. AAN has too much ideology and will be your private dancer adopting whatever political position is convenient.
Damn, where are all the Russian super liberal fans of the West when we need them?
It's going to be interesting to see the Tankie idiots and other usual suspects who always find a way of siding with Russia and blaming the West/NATO explain this. Their two braincells must be working overtime to come up with a way of blaming anyone but the rats in Russia.
Without NATO Russia would have just taken over Ukraine as is only right and proper, and all would have been stable, therefore internal Russian tensions are the fault of NATO for helping Ukraine fight back.
It seems that Putin only has the loyalty of part of the military, maybe some commanding the air forces.
So that's the sort of thing that could, often and on the one hand, end very quickly, with some one or people being sufficiently well-organised and placed to replace him, or, secondly, become a disastrous and long-term conflict. I know which I'd prefer, speaking for myself.
superiority and the ability to discover and destroy enemy troop concentrations and supply depots får behind the frontline. Good Russian reconnaissance makes strategic, and often even tactical, surprise nearly impossible. Russia also have a clear advantage in artillery. Russian air superiority and good reconnaissance makes Ukrainian attacks very hard. Especially since there are enormous amounts of mines everywhere. The UkrAF also seems to lack good Air Defence at the frontline. Russian losses of aircrafts has been very low. When Ukrainian ground units attack they must attack through mine fields since they can't demine them in advance due to Russian fire control. Ukrainian forces can't concentrate in huge numbers since they will be discovered in advance if they do that. The Ukrainians have to rush through the minefields with limited resources and hope that their follow up reinforcements don't get to mauled by Russian air power and artillery. If the Ukrainian forces are strong enough RuAF retreat and their old positions become an artillery trap. After a while the newly captured Ukrainian position is transformed to a moon landscape and Russian forces counterattack. Mostly they succeeds in recapturing lost territory and the Ukrainians withdraw. Sometimes Ukrainian units hold on to newly captured positions and move the frontline one or two kilometers, but to a high price. During these 19 days Ukraine has fought an uphill battle, which seemed doomed from the start. The result is probably clearly higher casualties among the Ukrainians, than by the Russian side. This means that UkrAF becomes weaker in comparison to the RuAF. That's one goal not achieved. If the other goals where successful you could accept normal losses, but that's not the case. Ukrainian territorial gains, both on the Southern and Eastern fronts has been minimal and nothing indicates that will change. That in combination with high losses, especially losses on video, destroys all possibility of a propaganda victory. Now Ukraine must try to hide the failed counteroffensive by denying it's existence and downplaying the losses. Ukraine and its supporters still dominate western media so they might have some success there. But doubts will grow even in the west, that the war is winnable and worth spending huge resources on.
RusGPT not brilliant is it.
About as good as some incoherent drivel this morning, clearly produced by AI, claiming 20% of public sector workers did nothing and could be sacked without there being any difference to public services.
think it's something different. I think this is part of the Ukrainian counteroffensive. I bet all 6.2 billion of that Pentagon accounting error have gone directly into Prigozhin's bank account. This was the ace up their sleave, and the just played it. The timing is suspicious.
Ultimately i think this is what happened. The west was in a panic due to losing the war in ukraine badly. Their options were a false flag or stir up internal.unrest in russia. They have gone for the 2nd option and i think Prigozhin was got at by the cia to cause trouble.
So you are basically saying the CIA is a zillion times more competent than the SVR/FSB/GRU?
This does look like a very serious attempt to overthrow Putin
More coffee!
I hope he is going 'I send tens of thousands of Wagner forces into Ukraine, and they return opposed to me. I have hundreds of thousands of other troops in Ukraine - I need bring them back before they turn on me too'.
superiority and the ability to discover and destroy enemy troop concentrations and supply depots får behind the frontline. Good Russian reconnaissance makes strategic, and often even tactical, surprise nearly impossible. Russia also have a clear advantage in artillery. Russian air superiority and good reconnaissance makes Ukrainian attacks very hard. Especially since there are enormous amounts of mines everywhere. The UkrAF also seems to lack good Air Defence at the frontline. Russian losses of aircrafts has been very low. When Ukrainian ground units attack they must attack through mine fields since they can't demine them in advance due to Russian fire control. Ukrainian forces can't concentrate in huge numbers since they will be discovered in advance if they do that. The Ukrainians have to rush through the minefields with limited resources and hope that their follow up reinforcements don't get to mauled by Russian air power and artillery. If the Ukrainian forces are strong enough RuAF retreat and their old positions become an artillery trap. After a while the newly captured Ukrainian position is transformed to a moon landscape and Russian forces counterattack. Mostly they succeeds in recapturing lost territory and the Ukrainians withdraw. Sometimes Ukrainian units hold on to newly captured positions and move the frontline one or two kilometers, but to a high price. During these 19 days Ukraine has fought an uphill battle, which seemed doomed from the start. The result is probably clearly higher casualties among the Ukrainians, than by the Russian side. This means that UkrAF becomes weaker in comparison to the RuAF. That's one goal not achieved. If the other goals where successful you could accept normal losses, but that's not the case. Ukrainian territorial gains, both on the Southern and Eastern fronts has been minimal and nothing indicates that will change. That in combination with high losses, especially losses on video, destroys all possibility of a propaganda victory. Now Ukraine must try to hide the failed counteroffensive by denying it's existence and downplaying the losses. Ukraine and its supporters still dominate western media so they might have some success there. But doubts will grow even in the west, that the war is winnable and worth spending huge resources on.
RusGPT not brilliant is it.
About as good as some incoherent drivel this morning, clearly produced by AI, claiming 20% of public sector workers did nothing and could be sacked without there being any difference to public services.
I think Max had been overdosing on the Daily Telegraph again.
think it's something different. I think this is part of the Ukrainian counteroffensive. I bet all 6.2 billion of that Pentagon accounting error have gone directly into Prigozhin's bank account. This was the ace up their sleave, and the just played it. The timing is suspicious.
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I can get 35 likes on a tweet about a repeat of 1994 Top of the Pops.
That jet out of Minsk has switched off its transponder over southern Moscow. Presumably to try and obscure precisely which airfield it’s about to land. Either that, or it was shot down!
think it's something different. I think this is part of the Ukrainian counteroffensive. I bet all 6.2 billion of that Pentagon accounting error have gone directly into Prigozhin's bank account. This was the ace up their sleave, and the just played it. The timing is suspicious.
Your first interesting post - because whilst I very much doubt it (what use money if you won't get to spend it, plus all the other reasons it will be nonsense), it would be a good use of money to subborn large numbers of troops in that way.
think it's something different. I think this is part of the Ukrainian counteroffensive. I bet all 6.2 billion of that Pentagon accounting error have gone directly into Prigozhin's bank account. This was the ace up their sleave, and the just played it. The timing is suspicious.
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If this is a Ukrainian counteroffensive that's taken Rostov, Volgograd and Voronezh, then it's been far, far more successful than anyone dreamed.
Which is ironic considering a couple of hours ago you were saying it had failed.
think it's something different. I think this is part of the Ukrainian counteroffensive. I bet all 6.2 billion of that Pentagon accounting error have gone directly into Prigozhin's bank account. This was the ace up their sleave, and the just played it. The timing is suspicious.
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Well, if you’re relying on a bunch on mercenaries to do your dirty work, you’re also relying on no-one giving those same mercenaries a much better offer.
think it's something different. I think this is part of the Ukrainian counteroffensive. I bet all 6.2 billion of that Pentagon accounting error have gone directly into Prigozhin's bank account. This was the ace up their sleave, and the just played it. The timing is suspicious.
Your first interesting post - because whilst I very much doubt it (what use money if you won't get to spend it), it would be a good use of money to subborn large numbers of troops in that way.
Exactly the cia paid off saddams generals in the gulf war too
Its pretty big cope to hope for a russian civil war to bail ukraine out from its disastrous counteroffensive. A lot of fuss and excitement over nothing. Big picture is Ukraine is losing badly.
Welcome to today’s Russian troll. Decided which side of the civil war you are on yet?
The disaterous counteroffensive.... nice try Ivan, now scat.
It's like Steiner's relief of Berlin.
Have HitlerRantsParodies done a Putin video today yet?
- Mein Tsar, Wagner didn't have enough mercenaries loyal to you! The attack never took place!
- That was an order! Wagner's assault was an order! Who do you think you are to dare disobey an order I give? So this is what it has come to! The military has been lying to me. Everybody has been lying to me, even that buffoon Prigorzhin! Our generals are just a bunch of contemptible, disloyal cowards!
Even cnn says Ukraines counteroffensive is going poorly. This is a big distraction from the total slaughter of ukrainian men on the front line.
Ukraine’s counteroffensive is having less success and Russian forces are showing more competence than western assessments expected, two western officials and a senior US military official tell CNN. The counteroffensive is “not meeting expectations on any front,” one of them said
I'd worry more about getting paid than trolling on here. If you signed an agrement with Putin, I suspect you may find the cheques bounce very shortly......
The west is going bankrupt and you are talking about my cheques bouncing. When china dumps us treasurys uk mortgage rates will be back to 15%. Mass bankruptcy for the uk home owners.
Ah China. Whatever you say. They aren't daft. They've played you like a balalaika through all of this.
The global south is behind russia or havent you noticed. The West has lost a lot of respect in the past year.
There’s certainly some truth in this.
Max Hastings wrote a good piece about the war earlier in the week and made the point how the rest of the world is not on page s the west.
You know what would be good at this point? A link. Oooh, and a non-paywall one as well.
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Hard to see how things could be much more unstable than that, or what false rumour could exceed the reality.
Russia is a Muscovite Empire, whoever controls Moscow controls Russia.
But if Putin's troops are committed to Ukraine, then who's left to defend Moscow?
And are the forces that are there prepared to fight and die against the battle-hardened Wagner troops?
DOGBERT: I wish humanity would renounce violence.
DILBERT: That's a beautiful thought.
DOGBERT: Then I could conquer this entire dumb planet with just a butter knife.
Peace won by appeasing an aggressor is no such thing. Because the grim lesson of human history is that the aggressor is never appeased. Deaths aren't avoided, just postponed.
Ever get that nagging doubt? That self-questioning of whether you've backed the wrong horse and really screwed up?
Tick-tock.
Putin himself is using "armed rebellion".
Like the Civil War/conflict between military factions debate, this is largely semantics.
A person with an Army is attempting to overthrow the Government. Both sides are open that that is what is happening.
After all these years of fear and doubt, facing the bloodcurdling threats, the lies, the corruption, the subversion, the utter brutality, the war and threats of war, the simple evil of it, I can barely take it in.
My Estonian friends and I are trying not to cry.
I have zero idea if he just meant 'normally those are painted green' or 'the game's afoot' though.
I always thought YVP's sporadically articulated deathwish was just social media theatrics (LAB LEAK!) but maybe it's for real.
Surovikin is the guy he needs to cleave away from VVP. Ideally a few other influential 4 stars like Zolotov and Korolev also.
Nicholas II had an Imperial Guard of 60,000, who were mostly loyal, but decided to march them through a swamp in 1916, where most of them died. The so-called Imperial Guard of 1917 didn't lift a finger to save the monarchy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGEiK9StSfQ
Lisa wishes for peace, everyone disarms and then the aliens invade.
Alien: Kneel before my slingshot puny earthling.
Ned: Well I guess my first wish is to get rid of those awful aliens.
Alien [fleeing]: Argh, he's got a board with a nail in it!
That board with a nail in it may have defeated us, but the humans won't stop there. They'll make bigger boards and bigger nails, and soon, they will make a board with a nail so big, it will destroy them all!
So Putin, if you're reading this, it can happen to the best of us.
Would you?
Which of us has never had a falling out with our catering guy while waging a war against a neighbouring country ?
Progozhin is certainly a thug, but he's also had enough of the failures of the war in Ukraine.
Whatever happens, it is highly likely we will see an end to fighting in Ukraine or perhaps a rapid Ukrainian advance. Remaining Russian troops will be completely demoralised
It's a good question actually. I don't know. Maybe because the Russian state is made up of a bunch of lying, thieving, murdering, stupid, paedophile bellends.
Incidentally that disdain is also shared by the many Russian students I teach.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/3646738
Is the Wagner guy any saner than Putin? Or worse? And at which point does the coup escalate into a nuclear-armed civil war?
Be more Worf. Perhaps today is a good day to die!
And they get good sales too. You might make a fortune.
What are you going to do? Chalk the wall with anti-British slogans?
Possible air force/ground force split.
- That was an order! Wagner's assault was an order! Who do you think you are to dare disobey an order I give? So this is what it has come to! The military has been lying to me. Everybody has been lying to me, even that buffoon Prigorzhin! Our generals are just a bunch of contemptible, disloyal cowards!
I assume it might take several days for any disruptions to usual resupplies etc to be felt at the front.
Video shared by Russian milbloggers
https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1672560630174236674
I'd rather they spend their time more fruitfully if they have that influence.
https://twitter.com/HannaLiubakova/status/1672554864713318400
“You’re on your own, mate.”
https://twitter.com/tendar/status/1672556043157528576?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
When was the last time they blew the bridges into Moscow? My guess would be 1941.
Done, saved them the trouble.
So that's the sort of thing that could, often and on the one hand, end very quickly, with some one or people being sufficiently well-organised and placed to replace him, or, secondly, become a disastrous and long-term conflict. I know which I'd prefer, speaking for myself.
More coffee!
That is *genuinely* kinky.
think it's something different. I think this is part of the Ukrainian counteroffensive. I bet all 6.2 billion of that Pentagon accounting error have gone directly into Prigozhin's bank account. This was the ace up their sleave, and the just played it. The timing is suspicious.
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https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1672562068556218371
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Christ, my sources are better than yours.
There’s another Russian Air Force VIP plane in the air out of Moscow, heading North towards St Petersberg - Putin’s home town. https://www.flightradar24.com/RSD523/30da704f
How much cash for Putin himself to pull out?
Which is ironic considering a couple of hours ago you were saying it had failed.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/western-approach-to-ukraine-is-delusional-l2qx7q6zs
https://archive.is/Q3L4E