I think the wishes for chaos in Russia are unwise.
A country as vast and well-armed as that does not spiral into chaos without it affecting large areas of the rest of the world, for diverse, military, migratory , and economic reasons. It wouldn't be something we could just cheerfully watch from our armchairs.
This fron Will Schryver. Please guys dont get too excited.
Well that was the most lame attempt at a coup d'etat I've ever seen. A couple old tanks and a couple dozen trucks carrying a couple hundred disheveled "soldiers" in ill-fitting uniforms. The modest parade was escorted by Rosgvardia into Rostov; Prigozhin pretended to "occupy" the city, then he had a chat with a couple generals, after which he and his motley group of "insurrectionists" drove away again. Now Putin says they're all in VERY big trouble and will be dealt with promptly and harshly. That's it, folks. Show's over. We will now resume the war where we left off a few hours ago.
How can we not get excited? Trolling Russian trolls is a weekly high spot on PB. Especially when their employer has just launched his own three day SMO.
That shoot-down sounds more worrying, if that's right, because as i understand it Voronezh is nearer Moscow than Ukraine.
Let's hope for a more peaceful transfer of power, because in a country as vast and well-armed as Russia, even with thugs like Progozhin, that would be preferable.
A transfer of power is ideal yes, but a few dead scorpions along the way isn't the worst thing in the world to undermine any potential for continued war effort afterwards.
Especially if its valuable military hardware that is destroyed, with no dead Ukrainians on either side of the conflict.
It depends, though, because the dynamics of these thing can be very hard to control once they get underway.
It could be either a very quick palace coup, or a long and bloody civil conflict. To be honest I think those two options are the most likely.
Win/win either way then.
A quick palace coup is great, get rid of Putin.
A long and bloody civil conflict is great. Russians fighting Russians is infinitely better than Russians fighting Ukrainians.
Really i think you guys are getting too excited by this. I imagine this will all be over by the end of the weekend.
You think Putin’s in so much trouble he won’t make it to Monday?
Is the shard our latest Saturday visitor? Tough gig this morning. Still, good use of google to check out London landmarks for a user name.
I think the wishes for chaos in Russia are unwise.
A country as vast and well-armed as that does not spiral into chaos without it affecting large areas of the rest of the world, for diverse, military, migratory , and economic reasons. It wouldn't be something we could just cheerfully watch from our armchairs.
Hopefully there will be a full blown civil war and the country will be less vast and less well armed by the end of it.
Even cnn says Ukraines counteroffensive is going poorly. This is a big distraction from the total slaughter of ukrainian men on the front line.
Ukraine’s counteroffensive is having less success and Russian forces are showing more competence than western assessments expected, two western officials and a senior US military official tell CNN. The counteroffensive is “not meeting expectations on any front,” one of them said
This fron Will Schryver. Please guys dont get too excited.
Well that was the most lame attempt at a coup d'etat I've ever seen. A couple old tanks and a couple dozen trucks carrying a couple hundred disheveled "soldiers" in ill-fitting uniforms. The modest parade was escorted by Rosgvardia into Rostov; Prigozhin pretended to "occupy" the city, then he had a chat with a couple generals, after which he and his motley group of "insurrectionists" drove away again. Now Putin says they're all in VERY big trouble and will be dealt with promptly and harshly. That's it, folks. Show's over. We will now resume the war where we left off a few hours ago.
One day I’m going to compile a digest of posts from various PB members, anonymised and in topics they don’t typically post about. And get people to guess who posted based on written style.
Yours will of course be the entry level warm up, but I reckon there are a number of others that will be instantly recognisable.
I’m confident in a quiz like that I could pick out BigG, HYUFD, Leon, Horse, NickPalmer, Moonrabbit, Cyclefree, BJO and a selection of others.
I think the wishes for chaos in Russia are unwise.
A country as vast and well-armed as that does not spiral into chaos without it affecting large areas of the rest of the world, for diverse, military, migratory , and economic reasons. It wouldn't be something we could just cheerfully watch from our armchairs.
No one thinks it would be without cost. But is the status quo really working for the rest of the world either?
@wartranslated ❗️Prigozhin audio message 10:19AM BST - "no one will surrender to the demands of the President":
"Regarding the betrayal of the Motherland, the President is deeply mistaken. We’re patriots of our Motherland. We fought and we are fighting, all fighters of PMC Wagner. And no one is going to surrender to the demands of the President, FSB, or anyone else. Because we don’t want the country to live further in corruption lies, and bureaucracy.
When we fought in Africa, we were told that we needed Africa, and then they dumped it, because they stole all the money that was meant to come for help.
When we were told we are fighting with Ukraine, we went and fought. But it turned out that the ammo, weapons, all money put towards this were also being stolen, while officials are sitting and saving them for themselves for an incident that happened today, when someone is going towards Moscow."
Now they are not saving anything, they are striking us with planes and helicopters at the columns with civilians. And they hit civilians because they’re missing. And they hit anywhere they can.
Thus, we are the patriots, but those resisting us today are those who gathered around scumbags.
Even cnn says Ukraines counteroffensive is going poorly. This is a big distraction from the total slaughter of ukrainian men on the front line.
Ukraine’s counteroffensive is having less success and Russian forces are showing more competence than western assessments expected, two western officials and a senior US military official tell CNN. The counteroffensive is “not meeting expectations on any front,” one of them said
This fron Will Schryver. Please guys dont get too excited.
Well that was the most lame attempt at a coup d'etat I've ever seen. A couple old tanks and a couple dozen trucks carrying a couple hundred disheveled "soldiers" in ill-fitting uniforms. The modest parade was escorted by Rosgvardia into Rostov; Prigozhin pretended to "occupy" the city, then he had a chat with a couple generals, after which he and his motley group of "insurrectionists" drove away again. Now Putin says they're all in VERY big trouble and will be dealt with promptly and harshly. That's it, folks. Show's over. We will now resume the war where we left off a few hours ago.
This fron Will Schryver. Please guys dont get too excited.
Well that was the most lame attempt at a coup d'etat I've ever seen. A couple old tanks and a couple dozen trucks carrying a couple hundred disheveled "soldiers" in ill-fitting uniforms. The modest parade was escorted by Rosgvardia into Rostov; Prigozhin pretended to "occupy" the city, then he had a chat with a couple generals, after which he and his motley group of "insurrectionists" drove away again. Now Putin says they're all in VERY big trouble and will be dealt with promptly and harshly. That's it, folks. Show's over. We will now resume the war where we left off a few hours ago.
After a failed insurrection, tovarischsch, the insurrectionists do not generally get to "drive away again."
I like 'We will now resume the war where we left off a few hours ago' presented as a strength - so Mr troll is quoting someone claiming that a puny military mutiny has occurred, but the people involved will presumably go unpunished and all the forces immediately returned to normal operations, ie not dealing with the mutineers.
Its pretty big cope to hope for a russian civil war to bail ukraine out from its disastrous counteroffensive. A lot of fuss and excitement over nothing. Big picture is Ukraine is losing badly.
That shoot-down sounds more worrying, if that's right, because as i understand it Voronezh is nearer Moscow than Ukraine.
Let's hope for a more peaceful transfer of power, because in a country as vast and well-armed as Russia, even with thugs like Progozhin, that would be preferable.
A transfer of power is ideal yes, but a few dead scorpions along the way isn't the worst thing in the world to undermine any potential for continued war effort afterwards.
Especially if its valuable military hardware that is destroyed, with no dead Ukrainians on either side of the conflict.
It depends, though, because the dynamics of these thing can be very hard to control once they get underway.
It could be either a very quick palace coup, or a long and bloody civil conflict. To be honest I think those two options are the most likely.
Win/win either way then.
A quick palace coup is great, get rid of Putin.
A long and bloody civil conflict is great. Russians fighting Russians is infinitely better than Russians fighting Ukrainians.
Really i think you guys are getting too excited by this. I imagine this will all be over by the end of the weekend.
You think Putin’s in so much trouble he won’t make it to Monday?
Something else was meant to be done and dusted in a couple of days.
Can't remember the details, but Russia was definitely involved. A year and a bit ago?
I think the wishes for chaos in Russia are unwise.
A country as vast and well-armed as that does not spiral into chaos without it affecting large areas of the rest of the world, for diverse, military, migratory , and economic reasons. It wouldn't be something we could just cheerfully watch from our armchairs.
No one thinks it would be without cost. But is the status quo really working for the rest of the world either?
Ideally the chaos will be a helpful way of turning the country into something rather less vast or well armed.
That said I was already worried about the impact of all the mobilisation fleers on my holiday in Georgia next month. Not sure it’s going to be very relaxing if the place is coping with hordes of Russian refugees too, or busy recapturing South Ossetia.
This fron Will Schryver. Please guys dont get too excited.
Well that was the most lame attempt at a coup d'etat I've ever seen. A couple old tanks and a couple dozen trucks carrying a couple hundred disheveled "soldiers" in ill-fitting uniforms. The modest parade was escorted by Rosgvardia into Rostov; Prigozhin pretended to "occupy" the city, then he had a chat with a couple generals, after which he and his motley group of "insurrectionists" drove away again. Now Putin says they're all in VERY big trouble and will be dealt with promptly and harshly. That's it, folks. Show's over. We will now resume the war where we left off a few hours ago.
Its pretty big cope to hope for a russian civil war to bail ukraine out from its disastrous counteroffensive. A lot of fuss and excitement over nothing. Big picture is Ukraine is losing badly.
That shoot-down sounds more worrying, if that's right, because as i understand it Voronezh is nearer Moscow than Ukraine.
Let's hope for a more peaceful transfer of power, because in a country as vast and well-armed as Russia, even with thugs like Progozhin, that would be preferable.
A transfer of power is ideal yes, but a few dead scorpions along the way isn't the worst thing in the world to undermine any potential for continued war effort afterwards.
Especially if its valuable military hardware that is destroyed, with no dead Ukrainians on either side of the conflict.
It depends, though, because the dynamics of these thing can be very hard to control once they get underway.
It could be either a very quick palace coup, or a long and bloody civil conflict. To be honest I think those two options are the most likely.
Win/win either way then.
A quick palace coup is great, get rid of Putin.
A long and bloody civil conflict is great. Russians fighting Russians is infinitely better than Russians fighting Ukrainians.
Really i think you guys are getting too excited by this. I imagine this will all be over by the end of the weekend.
You think Putin’s in so much trouble he won’t make it to Monday?
Is the shard our latest Saturday visitor? Tough gig this morning. Still, good use of google to check out London landmarks for a user name.
Yes but starting with Will Schryver as a "source"?
They've clearly not sent us their best operator this weekend.
This fron Will Schryver. Please guys dont get too excited.
Well that was the most lame attempt at a coup d'etat I've ever seen. A couple old tanks and a couple dozen trucks carrying a couple hundred disheveled "soldiers" in ill-fitting uniforms. The modest parade was escorted by Rosgvardia into Rostov; Prigozhin pretended to "occupy" the city, then he had a chat with a couple generals, after which he and his motley group of "insurrectionists" drove away again. Now Putin says they're all in VERY big trouble and will be dealt with promptly and harshly. That's it, folks. Show's over. We will now resume the war where we left off a few hours ago.
I think the wishes for chaos in Russia are unwise.
A country as vast and well-armed as that does not spiral into chaos without it affecting large areas of the rest of the world, for diverse, military, migratory , and economic reasons. It wouldn't be something we could just cheerfully watch from our armchairs.
Hopefully there will be a full blown civil war and the country will be less vast and less well armed by the end of it.
Hopefully it won't. Full blown civil wars are never good.
Even cnn says Ukraines counteroffensive is going poorly. This is a big distraction from the total slaughter of ukrainian men on the front line.
Ukraine’s counteroffensive is having less success and Russian forces are showing more competence than western assessments expected, two western officials and a senior US military official tell CNN. The counteroffensive is “not meeting expectations on any front,” one of them said
Its pretty big cope to hope for a russian civil war to bail ukraine out from its disastrous counteroffensive. A lot of fuss and excitement over nothing. Big picture is Ukraine is losing badly.
Not tempted by the higher pay and more generous benefits on offer over at Wagner’s troll farms?
I think the wishes for chaos in Russia are unwise.
A country as vast and well-armed as that does not spiral into chaos without it affecting large areas of the rest of the world, for diverse, military, migratory , and economic reasons. It wouldn't be something we could just cheerfully watch from our armchairs.
Hopefully there will be a full blown civil war and the country will be less vast and less well armed by the end of it.
Hopefully it won't. Full blown civil wars are never good.
Quite.
It still looks too early to tell, and there still doesn't look to much (or any?) fighting slowing their advance.
Its pretty big cope to hope for a russian civil war to bail ukraine out from its disastrous counteroffensive. A lot of fuss and excitement over nothing. Big picture is Ukraine is losing badly.
Welcome to today’s Russian troll. Decided which side of the civil war you are on yet?
Its pretty big cope to hope for a russian civil war to bail ukraine out from its disastrous counteroffensive. A lot of fuss and excitement over nothing. Big picture is Ukraine is losing badly.
Oh god here we go again
The super weird thing about this one is that we have Putin himself on the TV talking about this, making it a very big deal, yet the approved line is that it is nothing and to claim that chaos in Russian military circles (even if it were small) is of no positive consequence to Ukraine.
Even by the logical standards that are applied with these types it's insane.
The Estonian government advising against all travel to Russia. No direct threat to Estonian borders, consulting with allies.
Putin´s dithering and now his call to crush the rebellion will be the end of him, whether in two days or six months is not yet clear. My personal bet is that this will expand into a civil war pretty quickly unless the army can retake control of the oblasty under Wagner control by midweek.
Flight radar around Moscow kind of interesting. a load of Bizjets taking off for Turkey. The Vlasty are taking the chance to leave asap.
This fron Will Schryver. Please guys dont get too excited.
Well that was the most lame attempt at a coup d'etat I've ever seen. A couple old tanks and a couple dozen trucks carrying a couple hundred disheveled "soldiers" in ill-fitting uniforms. The modest parade was escorted by Rosgvardia into Rostov; Prigozhin pretended to "occupy" the city, then he had a chat with a couple generals, after which he and his motley group of "insurrectionists" drove away again. Now Putin says they're all in VERY big trouble and will be dealt with promptly and harshly. That's it, folks. Show's over. We will now resume the war where we left off a few hours ago.
One day I’m going to compile a digest of posts from various PB members, anonymised and in topics they don’t typically post about. And get people to guess who posted based on written style.
Yours will of course be the entry level warm up, but I reckon there are a number of others that will be instantly recognisable.
I’m confident in a quiz like that I could pick out BigG, HYUFD, Leon, Horse, NickPalmer, Moonrabbit, Cyclefree, BJO and a selection of others.
Leon would be a tough one. He has a very similar style to several ex-posters.
Of course the western media isnt covering ukraines disastrous counter offensive .
ANALYSIS UKRAINIAN COUNTEROFFENSIVE JUNE 22 How is the Ukrainian counteroffensive faring, after 19 days? It's stuck, like the Ukrainian T-64 in the video below. The least surprised are probably Russian military leadership and planners. Most disappointed are probably Ukraine's most ardent supporters in social media. Even though they doesn't seem to realised the situation yet. How can I say that the counteroffensive is a failure already? The offensive had three main objectives. Firstly to show the world, especially Ukraine's western backers, how strong UkrAF is and how weak RuAF are. This in turn would increase support for Ukraine and decrease Russian standing in the world. Secondly to make substantial territorial gains. If not cutting of the corridor to Crimea, at least make it so thin that Ukrainian artillery could control most of it. A third objective would be to hurt RuAF badly with moderate own losses. Non of the objectives have been achieved, not even close. This failure isn't a surprise since it was impossible for Ukraine to get those things in place which ensures a successful offensive. Those are air superiority, three folded superiority in soldiers and weapons, better logistics and reconnaissance, strategic (and tactical) surprise, good weather and good motivated units. Finally you have to be able to concentrate a strong attack formation at weak spots in enemy lines and break through with those forces. RuAF knew where the UkrAF would attack and had prepared massive defensive positions for half a year. The Russian forces are equal to Ukrainian forces in manpower, but more surprisingly also in quality and motivation. Russia has air
Its pretty big cope to hope for a russian civil war to bail ukraine out from its disastrous counteroffensive. A lot of fuss and excitement over nothing. Big picture is Ukraine is losing badly.
Welcome to today’s Russian troll. Decided which side of the civil war you are on yet?
The disaterous counteroffensive.... nice try Ivan, now scat.
I think the wishes for chaos in Russia are unwise.
A country as vast and well-armed as that does not spiral into chaos without it affecting large areas of the rest of the world, for diverse, military, migratory , and economic reasons. It wouldn't be something we could just cheerfully watch from our armchairs.
Hopefully there will be a full blown civil war and the country will be less vast and less well armed by the end of it.
Hopefully it won't. Full blown civil wars are never good.
Pretty tragic for the population affected, that’s true. Pretty good for Ukraine.
Its pretty big cope to hope for a russian civil war to bail ukraine out from its disastrous counteroffensive. A lot of fuss and excitement over nothing. Big picture is Ukraine is losing badly.
Is it ? Is it really ?
We're observing; you're spinning like an ultracentrifuge.
I think the wishes for chaos in Russia are unwise.
A country as vast and well-armed as that does not spiral into chaos without it affecting large areas of the rest of the world, for diverse, military, migratory , and economic reasons. It wouldn't be something we could just cheerfully watch from our armchairs.
Hopefully there will be a full blown civil war and the country will be less vast and less well armed by the end of it.
Hopefully it won't. Full blown civil wars are never good.
For whom?
For people seeking to free themselves from tyranny they can be.
And for people from other nations seeking not to be threatened by those now too busy killing each other to be a threat to other nations anymore they can be too.
A peaceful disintegration of the Muscovite Empire and the demise of Russia as a unitary state would be far better of course, but its not likely, so a civil war might be the next best thing.
Its pretty big cope to hope for a russian civil war to bail ukraine out from its disastrous counteroffensive. A lot of fuss and excitement over nothing. Big picture is Ukraine is losing badly.
Oh god here we go again
The super weird thing about this one is that we have Putin himself on the TV talking about this, making it a very big deal, yet the approved line is that it is nothing and to claim that chaos in Russian military circles (even if it were small) is of no positive consequence to Ukraine.
Even by the logical standards that are applied with these types it's insane.
I think Putin knows his silence will let his enemies control the narrative. He has to set the scene so that it’s not set for him.
That said the fact he’s had to do it at all betrays a vulnerability.
One day I’m going to compile a digest of posts from various PB members, anonymised and in topics they don’t typically post about. And get people to guess who posted based on written style.
Yours will of course be the entry level warm up, but I reckon there are a number of others that will be instantly recognisable.
I’m confident in a quiz like that I could pick out BigG, HYUFD, Leon, Horse, NickPalmer, Moonrabbit, Cyclefree, BJO and a selection of others.
Leon would be a tough one. He has a very similar style to several ex-posters.
Would be like a vertical wine tasting. Guess the vintage.
superiority and the ability to discover and destroy enemy troop concentrations and supply depots får behind the frontline. Good Russian reconnaissance makes strategic, and often even tactical, surprise nearly impossible. Russia also have a clear advantage in artillery. Russian air superiority and good reconnaissance makes Ukrainian attacks very hard. Especially since there are enormous amounts of mines everywhere. The UkrAF also seems to lack good Air Defence at the frontline. Russian losses of aircrafts has been very low. When Ukrainian ground units attack they must attack through mine fields since they can't demine them in advance due to Russian fire control. Ukrainian forces can't concentrate in huge numbers since they will be discovered in advance if they do that. The Ukrainians have to rush through the minefields with limited resources and hope that their follow up reinforcements don't get to mauled by Russian air power and artillery. If the Ukrainian forces are strong enough RuAF retreat and their old positions become an artillery trap. After a while the newly captured Ukrainian position is transformed to a moon landscape and Russian forces counterattack. Mostly they succeeds in recapturing lost territory and the Ukrainians withdraw. Sometimes Ukrainian units hold on to newly captured positions and move the frontline one or two kilometers, but to a high price. During these 19 days Ukraine has fought an uphill battle, which seemed doomed from the start. The result is probably clearly higher casualties among the Ukrainians, than by the Russian side. This means that UkrAF becomes weaker in comparison to the RuAF. That's one goal not achieved. If the other goals where successful you could accept normal losses, but that's not the case. Ukrainian territorial gains, both on the Southern and Eastern fronts has been minimal and nothing indicates that will change. That in combination with high losses, especially losses on video, destroys all possibility of a propaganda victory. Now Ukraine must try to hide the failed counteroffensive by denying it's existence and downplaying the losses. Ukraine and its supporters still dominate western media so they might have some success there. But doubts will grow even in the west, that the war is winnable and worth spending huge resources on.
So the first report of the Wagner forces shooting down a Russian aircraft on the way to Moscow, but there's stlll no reports of Russian ground troops fighting them, or even approaching them, on their way.
Even cnn says Ukraines counteroffensive is going poorly. This is a big distraction from the total slaughter of ukrainian men on the front line.
Ukraine’s counteroffensive is having less success and Russian forces are showing more competence than western assessments expected, two western officials and a senior US military official tell CNN. The counteroffensive is “not meeting expectations on any front,” one of them said
Of course the western media isnt covering ukraines disastrous counter offensive .
Before you go you might want to do a bit more research, since there has been plenty of western reporting that the Ukrainian counter offensive has gone slower and tougher than they and the West would like. This isn't Today with Vladimir Solovyov or whatever his show is called, you cannot just make stuff up.
Its pretty big cope to hope for a russian civil war to bail ukraine out from its disastrous counteroffensive. A lot of fuss and excitement over nothing. Big picture is Ukraine is losing badly.
So a question. Why is it that you folks from the Russian troll factory only turn up on a Saturday morning to spread your disinformation? Is it because PB is not important enough to rate our own troll service during the week when you are busy with more influential sites? Or is it because you get paid overtime for weekend work?
Personally, given the poor standard of trolling, I have always assumed it is because you are at school on week days and have an 8pm curfew imposed by your Mums. So saturday morning it is either cartoons or earn a bit of pocket money.
This fron Will Schryver. Please guys dont get too excited.
Well that was the most lame attempt at a coup d'etat I've ever seen. A couple old tanks and a couple dozen trucks carrying a couple hundred disheveled "soldiers" in ill-fitting uniforms. The modest parade was escorted by Rosgvardia into Rostov; Prigozhin pretended to "occupy" the city, then he had a chat with a couple generals, after which he and his motley group of "insurrectionists" drove away again. Now Putin says they're all in VERY big trouble and will be dealt with promptly and harshly. That's it, folks. Show's over. We will now resume the war where we left off a few hours ago.
So the first report of the Wagner forces shooting down a Russian aircraft on the way to Moscow, but there's stlll no reports of Russian ground troops fighting them or even approaching them on their way.
This all looks very odd.
Its odd because this is not a real coup. I would imagine bad actors in the cia have been bribing people to stir up trouble because the west is being humiliated in ukraine.
superiority and the ability to discover and destroy enemy troop concentrations and supply depots får behind the frontline. Good Russian reconnaissance makes strategic, and often even tactical, surprise nearly impossible. Russia also have a clear advantage in artillery. Russian air superiority and good reconnaissance makes Ukrainian attacks very hard. Especially since there are enormous amounts of mines everywhere. The UkrAF also seems to lack good Air Defence at the frontline. Russian losses of aircrafts has been very low. When Ukrainian ground units attack they must attack through mine fields since they can't demine them in advance due to Russian fire control. Ukrainian forces can't concentrate in huge numbers since they will be discovered in advance if they do that. The Ukrainians have to rush through the minefields with limited resources and hope that their follow up reinforcements don't get to mauled by Russian air power and artillery. If the Ukrainian forces are strong enough RuAF retreat and their old positions become an artillery trap. After a while the newly captured Ukrainian position is transformed to a moon landscape and Russian forces counterattack. Mostly they succeeds in recapturing lost territory and the Ukrainians withdraw. Sometimes Ukrainian units hold on to newly captured positions and move the frontline one or two kilometers, but to a high price. During these 19 days Ukraine has fought an uphill battle, which seemed doomed from the start. The result is probably clearly higher casualties among the Ukrainians, than by the Russian side. This means that UkrAF becomes weaker in comparison to the RuAF. That's one goal not achieved. If the other goals where successful you could accept normal losses, but that's not the case. Ukrainian territorial gains, both on the Southern and Eastern fronts has been minimal and nothing indicates that will change. That in combination with high losses, especially losses on video, destroys all possibility of a propaganda victory. Now Ukraine must try to hide the failed counteroffensive by denying it's existence and downplaying the losses. Ukraine and its supporters still dominate western media so they might have some success there. But doubts will grow even in the west, that the war is winnable and worth spending huge resources on.
får = Danish for sheep. Your large language model needs more... ram
Im just laughing at you guys thinking theres going to be armies fighting a russian civil war. Still its a good distraction from western failure in ukraine.
superiority and the ability to discover and destroy enemy troop concentrations and supply depots får behind the frontline. Good Russian reconnaissance makes strategic, and often even tactical, surprise nearly impossible. Russia also have a clear advantage in artillery. Russian air superiority and good reconnaissance makes Ukrainian attacks very hard. Especially since there are enormous amounts of mines everywhere. The UkrAF also seems to lack good Air Defence at the frontline. Russian losses of aircrafts has been very low. When Ukrainian ground units attack they must attack through mine fields since they can't demine them in advance due to Russian fire control. Ukrainian forces can't concentrate in huge numbers since they will be discovered in advance if they do that. The Ukrainians have to rush through the minefields with limited resources and hope that their follow up reinforcements don't get to mauled by Russian air power and artillery. If the Ukrainian forces are strong enough RuAF retreat and their old positions become an artillery trap. After a while the newly captured Ukrainian position is transformed to a moon landscape and Russian forces counterattack. Mostly they succeeds in recapturing lost territory and the Ukrainians withdraw. Sometimes Ukrainian units hold on to newly captured positions and move the frontline one or two kilometers, but to a high price. During these 19 days Ukraine has fought an uphill battle, which seemed doomed from the start. The result is probably clearly higher casualties among the Ukrainians, than by the Russian side. This means that UkrAF becomes weaker in comparison to the RuAF. That's one goal not achieved. If the other goals where successful you could accept normal losses, but that's not the case. Ukrainian territorial gains, both on the Southern and Eastern fronts has been minimal and nothing indicates that will change. That in combination with high losses, especially losses on video, destroys all possibility of a propaganda victory. Now Ukraine must try to hide the failed counteroffensive by denying it's existence and downplaying the losses. Ukraine and its supporters still dominate western media so they might have some success there. But doubts will grow even in the west, that the war is winnable and worth spending huge resources on.
And now here is the latest news read by Virginia Woolf.
(That was a literary joke by the way which you might not get as English isn't your first language)
So the first report of the Wagner forces shooting down a Russian aircraft on the way to Moscow, but there's stlll no reports of Russian ground troops fighting them or even approaching them on their way.
This all looks very odd.
It’s odd because this is not a real coup. I would imagine bad actors in the cia have been bribing people to stir up trouble because the west is being humiliated in ukraine.
I didn’t know Putin was CIA, I thought he was FSB.
You’ve just rewritten my understanding of how he’s fucked up so spectacularly and destroyed Russia in two sentences.
So the first report of the Wagner forces shooting down a Russian aircraft on the way to Moscow, but there's stlll no reports of Russian ground troops fighting them or even approaching them on their way.
This all looks very odd.
Its odd because this is not a real coup. I would imagine bad actors in the cia have been bribing people to stir up trouble because the west is being humiliated in ukraine.
No, it is orchestrated by the Dems to deflect attention from Joe and Hunter Biden's treachery. I just discovered this on reddit. You really must do your homework. 0/10.
Its pretty big cope to hope for a russian civil war to bail ukraine out from its disastrous counteroffensive. A lot of fuss and excitement over nothing. Big picture is Ukraine is losing badly.
Oh god here we go again
The super weird thing about this one is that we have Putin himself on the TV talking about this, making it a very big deal, yet the approved line is that it is nothing and to claim that chaos in Russian military circles (even if it were small) is of no positive consequence to Ukraine.
Even by the logical standards that are applied with these types it's insane.
I think Putin knows his silence will let his enemies control the narrative. He has to set the scene so that it’s not set for him.
That said the fact he’s had to do it at all betrays a vulnerability.
The difference with Turkey 2016 is that Erdogan was genuinely popular with many elements within the country and when he called for people to come out, they did.
Putin has relied on repression until now, how popular is he actually? He might find that his support is a mile wide but an inch deep when it comes to it.
Even cnn says Ukraines counteroffensive is going poorly. This is a big distraction from the total slaughter of ukrainian men on the front line.
Ukraine’s counteroffensive is having less success and Russian forces are showing more competence than western assessments expected, two western officials and a senior US military official tell CNN. The counteroffensive is “not meeting expectations on any front,” one of them said
Im just laughing at you guys thinking theres going to be armies fighting a russian civil war. Still it’s a good distraction from western failure in ukraine.
We’re laughing too, friend.
As we have been for the last nine months at your friends’ efforts to conceal your country’s humiliation.
Nazi scum getting what they deserve would be much funnier if thousands of innocent Ukrainians hadn’t been killed, of course.
So the first report of the Wagner forces shooting down a Russian aircraft on the way to Moscow, but there's stlll no reports of Russian ground troops fighting them, or even approaching them, on their way.
This all looks very odd, vaguely like a dream.
That's because they are all busy achieving glorious, swift victory in Ukraine.
Of course the western media isnt covering ukraines disastrous counter offensive .
Before you go you might want to do a bit more research, since there has been plenty of western reporting that the Ukrainian counter offensive has gone slower and tougher than they and the West would like. This isn't Today with Vladimir Solovyov or whatever his show is called, you cannot just make stuff up.
Oh sure begrudgingly admitted at times. Western media propoganda has become so silly recently though. Nothing on ukraine for weeks then hyping up this silly"coup" which will fizzle out soon.
I mean if it was Monday afternoon it might work a bit better. No-one would be expecting it. But week after week, right on cue, along comes the bot. Maybe it's all centralised target driven bureaucracy that's to blame.
Im just laughing at you guys thinking theres going to be armies fighting a russian civil war. Still it’s a good distraction from western failure in ukraine.
We’re laughing too, friend.
As we have been for the last nine months at your friends’ efforts to conceal your country’s humiliation.
Nazi scum getting what they deserve would be much funnier if thousands of innocent Ukrainians hadn’t been killed, of course.
Some in the biden administration like Victoria Nuland have an irrational hatred for Russia. And why did Boris Johnson scupper a peace plan last year
Of course the western media isnt covering ukraines disastrous counter offensive .
Before you go you might want to do a bit more research, since there has been plenty of western reporting that the Ukrainian counter offensive has gone slower and tougher than they and the West would like. This isn't Today with Vladimir Solovyov or whatever his show is called, you cannot just make stuff up.
Oh sure begrudgingly admitted at times. Western media propoganda has become so silly recently though. Nothing on ukraine for weeks then hyping up this silly"coup" which will fizzle out soon.
It's either the only troll that Vlad can still afford, or some Oxbridge public school type from the 'Stop The War Coalition'. Hi Tarquin.
I wonder if we could be looking at a a potential split. Air forces with Putin, and ground forces with Progozhin.
But then you'd expect much more chaos in the air South of Moscow ; maybe Putin and a couple of others around him only have the loyalty of some, and others at the top have backing elsewhere, particularly among the ground forces.
Its pretty big cope to hope for a russian civil war to bail ukraine out from its disastrous counteroffensive. A lot of fuss and excitement over nothing. Big picture is Ukraine is losing badly.
Oh god here we go again
The super weird thing about this one is that we have Putin himself on the TV talking about this, making it a very big deal, yet the approved line is that it is nothing and to claim that chaos in Russian military circles (even if it were small) is of no positive consequence to Ukraine.
Even by the logical standards that are applied with these types it's insane.
I think Putin knows his silence will let his enemies control the narrative. He has to set the scene so that it’s not set for him.
That said the fact he’s had to do it at all betrays a vulnerability.
The difference with Turkey 2016 is that Erdogan was genuinely popular with many elements within the country and when he called for people to come out, they did.
Putin has relied on repression until now, how popular is he actually? He might find that his support is a mile wide but an inch deep when it comes to it.
actually, such information as I have seen suggests he is genuinely popular. But generally only in the countryside. Erdogan had at least some remaining support in the army and the towns.
However, it was the workers of Petrograd coupled with the mutiny of its garrison that did for the Tsar, not peasant rebellions. Just as it was the people of Moscow did for the coup in 1991.
And he appears to have lost a great deal of support in the army and he was never popular in the cities.
Doesn’t mean he’s likely to be overthrown but I can see why he’s panicking.
superiority and the ability to discover and destroy enemy troop concentrations and supply depots får behind the frontline. Good Russian reconnaissance makes strategic, and often even tactical, surprise nearly impossible. Russia also have a clear advantage in artillery. Russian air superiority and good reconnaissance makes Ukrainian attacks very hard. Especially since there are enormous amounts of mines everywhere. The UkrAF also seems to lack good Air Defence at the frontline. Russian losses of aircrafts has been very low. When Ukrainian ground units attack they must attack through mine fields since they can't demine them in advance due to Russian fire control. Ukrainian forces can't concentrate in huge numbers since they will be discovered in advance if they do that. The Ukrainians have to rush through the minefields with limited resources and hope that their follow up reinforcements don't get to mauled by Russian air power and artillery. If the Ukrainian forces are strong enough RuAF retreat and their old positions become an artillery trap. After a while the newly captured Ukrainian position is transformed to a moon landscape and Russian forces counterattack. Mostly they succeeds in recapturing lost territory and the Ukrainians withdraw. Sometimes Ukrainian units hold on to newly captured positions and move the frontline one or two kilometers, but to a high price. During these 19 days Ukraine has fought an uphill battle, which seemed doomed from the start. The result is probably clearly higher casualties among the Ukrainians, than by the Russian side. This means that UkrAF becomes weaker in comparison to the RuAF. That's one goal not achieved. If the other goals where successful you could accept normal losses, but that's not the case. Ukrainian territorial gains, both on the Southern and Eastern fronts has been minimal and nothing indicates that will change. That in combination with high losses, especially losses on video, destroys all possibility of a propaganda victory. Now Ukraine must try to hide the failed counteroffensive by denying it's existence and downplaying the losses. Ukraine and its supporters still dominate western media so they might have some success there. But doubts will grow even in the west, that the war is winnable and worth spending huge resources on.
I am curious why you think any of this propaganda does anything but show you up as a Kremlin stooge who has little time on a forum that is far more intelligent and informed and frankly sees straight through you
Its pretty big cope to hope for a russian civil war to bail ukraine out from its disastrous counteroffensive. A lot of fuss and excitement over nothing. Big picture is Ukraine is losing badly.
Oh god here we go again
The super weird thing about this one is that we have Putin himself on the TV talking about this, making it a very big deal, yet the approved line is that it is nothing and to claim that chaos in Russian military circles (even if it were small) is of no positive consequence to Ukraine.
Even by the logical standards that are applied with these types it's insane.
I think Putin knows his silence will let his enemies control the narrative. He has to set the scene so that it’s not set for him.
That said the fact he’s had to do it at all betrays a vulnerability.
The difference with Turkey 2016 is that Erdogan was genuinely popular with many elements within the country and when he called for people to come out, they did.
Putin has relied on repression until now, how popular is he actually? He might find that his support is a mile wide but an inch deep when it comes to it.
It seems hard to believe that even with propaganda his support has not decreased at least a little in the last year or so - rally round the flag is a thing, but whatever Mr Shardypants is trying to suggest the SMO he promised people is not the one they've gotten. Ukraine is both weak and pitiful and about to collapse, yet also still going 16 months in.
superiority and the ability to discover and destroy enemy troop concentrations and supply depots får behind the frontline. Good Russian reconnaissance makes strategic, and often even tactical, surprise nearly impossible. Russia also have a clear advantage in artillery. Russian air superiority and good reconnaissance makes Ukrainian attacks very hard. Especially since there are enormous amounts of mines everywhere. The UkrAF also seems to lack good Air Defence at the frontline. Russian losses of aircrafts has been very low. When Ukrainian ground units attack they must attack through mine fields since they can't demine them in advance due to Russian fire control. Ukrainian forces can't concentrate in huge numbers since they will be discovered in advance if they do that. The Ukrainians have to rush through the minefields with limited resources and hope that their follow up reinforcements don't get to mauled by Russian air power and artillery. If the Ukrainian forces are strong enough RuAF retreat and their old positions become an artillery trap. After a while the newly captured Ukrainian position is transformed to a moon landscape and Russian forces counterattack. Mostly they succeeds in recapturing lost territory and the Ukrainians withdraw. Sometimes Ukrainian units hold on to newly captured positions and move the frontline one or two kilometers, but to a high price. During these 19 days Ukraine has fought an uphill battle, which seemed doomed from the start. The result is probably clearly higher casualties among the Ukrainians, than by the Russian side. This means that UkrAF becomes weaker in comparison to the RuAF. That's one goal not achieved. If the other goals where successful you could accept normal losses, but that's not the case. Ukrainian territorial gains, both on the Southern and Eastern fronts has been minimal and nothing indicates that will change. That in combination with high losses, especially losses on video, destroys all possibility of a propaganda victory. Now Ukraine must try to hide the failed counteroffensive by denying it's existence and downplaying the losses. Ukraine and its supporters still dominate western media so they might have some success there. But doubts will grow even in the west, that the war is winnable and worth spending huge resources on.
Warning: The Ukrainian counter-offensive failed miserably. The US needs a massive false flag to keep the war going. Something that affects NATO countries directly, like a cloud of nuclear radiation. They will blow up the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant and blame it on Russia
10:44 PM · Jun 22, 2023
· Maybe an attempted cia instigated coup is the west in desperation.
Im just laughing at you guys thinking theres going to be armies fighting a russian civil war. Still it’s a good distraction from western failure in ukraine.
We’re laughing too, friend.
As we have been for the last nine months at your friends’ efforts to conceal your country’s humiliation.
Nazi scum getting what they deserve would be much funnier if thousands of innocent Ukrainians hadn’t been killed, of course.
Some in the biden administration like Victoria Nuland have an irrational hatred for Russia. And why did Boris Johnson scupper a peace plan last year
Hatred of Russia is not irrational. It is the logical result of two decades of your crimes.
Wagner just shot down a Russian AN-26 military transport plane...
Regardless of who wins this coup, scorpions taking out other scorpions means fewer scorpions to fight Ukrainians ...
Exactly. The fewer aircraft and tanks available to fight in Ukraine, the better.
There have already been plenty of stories about the inability of the Russians to get sufficient numbers of planes and helicopters in a serviceable condition, and crews with sufficient experience to operate them in theatre. Every little helps!
Its pretty big cope to hope for a russian civil war to bail ukraine out from its disastrous counteroffensive. A lot of fuss and excitement over nothing. Big picture is Ukraine is losing badly.
Oh god here we go again
The super weird thing about this one is that we have Putin himself on the TV talking about this, making it a very big deal, yet the approved line is that it is nothing and to claim that chaos in Russian military circles (even if it were small) is of no positive consequence to Ukraine.
Even by the logical standards that are applied with these types it's insane.
I think Putin knows his silence will let his enemies control the narrative. He has to set the scene so that it’s not set for him.
That said the fact he’s had to do it at all betrays a vulnerability.
The difference with Turkey 2016 is that Erdogan was genuinely popular with many elements within the country and when he called for people to come out, they did.
Putin has relied on repression until now, how popular is he actually? He might find that his support is a mile wide but an inch deep when it comes to it.
This is true. Quite a section of the Opposition came out too. Important to note though, that the Coup was well planned. It failed, at least in part, because Erdogan simply wasn't where he was supposed to be when they came to arrest him.
Of course the western media isnt covering ukraines disastrous counter offensive .
Before you go you might want to do a bit more research, since there has been plenty of western reporting that the Ukrainian counter offensive has gone slower and tougher than they and the West would like. This isn't Today with Vladimir Solovyov or whatever his show is called, you cannot just make stuff up.
Oh sure begrudgingly admitted at times. Western media propoganda has become so silly recently though. Nothing on ukraine for weeks then hyping up this silly"coup" which will fizzle out soon.
Man, you are pretty funny compared to the others.
Let's turn this around - did Russian media report on the January 6th events in the USA? Something which fizzled out within less than a day? It was, as it turns out, pretty newsworthy.
Even if, for sake of argument, this 'coup' business goes nowhere - and plenty think that will be the case - you are trying to argue it should not be followed as a newsworthy event the day it is happening.
I mean if it was Monday afternoon it might work a bit better. No-one would be expecting it. But week after week, right on cue, along comes the bot. Maybe it's all centralised target driven bureaucracy that's to blame.
I think it was DA said they are mostly African technicians recruited by Wagner doing it in their spare time. So it has to be Saturday and Sunday.
"OSINTtechnical @Osinttechnical Full footage of the pair of Russian Ka-52s that bombed the [oil] tank farm in Voronezh"
Where is the first helicopter when the camera pans back? What does it shoot before the camera pans away? Looks like infrared countermeasures then a crash-landing to me.
superiority and the ability to discover and destroy enemy troop concentrations and supply depots får behind the frontline. Good Russian reconnaissance makes strategic, and often even tactical, surprise nearly impossible. Russia also have a clear advantage in artillery. Russian air superiority and good reconnaissance makes Ukrainian attacks very hard. Especially since there are enormous amounts of mines everywhere. The UkrAF also seems to lack good Air Defence at the frontline. Russian losses of aircrafts has been very low. When Ukrainian ground units attack they must attack through mine fields since they can't demine them in advance due to Russian fire control. Ukrainian forces can't concentrate in huge numbers since they will be discovered in advance if they do that. The Ukrainians have to rush through the minefields with limited resources and hope that their follow up reinforcements don't get to mauled by Russian air power and artillery. If the Ukrainian forces are strong enough RuAF retreat and their old positions become an artillery trap. After a while the newly captured Ukrainian position is transformed to a moon landscape and Russian forces counterattack. Mostly they succeeds in recapturing lost territory and the Ukrainians withdraw. Sometimes Ukrainian units hold on to newly captured positions and move the frontline one or two kilometers, but to a high price. During these 19 days Ukraine has fought an uphill battle, which seemed doomed from the start. The result is probably clearly higher casualties among the Ukrainians, than by the Russian side. This means that UkrAF becomes weaker in comparison to the RuAF. That's one goal not achieved. If the other goals where successful you could accept normal losses, but that's not the case. Ukrainian territorial gains, both on the Southern and Eastern fronts has been minimal and nothing indicates that will change. That in combination with high losses, especially losses on video, destroys all possibility of a propaganda victory. Now Ukraine must try to hide the failed counteroffensive by denying it's existence and downplaying the losses. Ukraine and its supporters still dominate western media so they might have some success there. But doubts will grow even in the west, that the war is winnable and worth spending huge resources on.
I am curious why you think any of this propaganda does anything but show you up as a Kremlin stooge who has little time on a forum that is far more intelligent and informed and frankly sees straight through you
Lol people on here are so misinformed. Not their fault. Western propoganda is powerful so powerful westerners cant define a woman anymore.
Im just laughing at you guys thinking theres going to be armies fighting a russian civil war. Still it’s a good distraction from western failure in ukraine.
We’re laughing too, friend.
As we have been for the last nine months at your friends’ efforts to conceal your country’s humiliation.
Nazi scum getting what they deserve would be much funnier if thousands of innocent Ukrainians hadn’t been killed, of course.
Some in the biden administration like Victoria Nuland have an irrational hatred for Russia. And why did Boris Johnson scupper a peace plan last year
Nothing irrational about hating Nazis. It was arguably the defining characteristic of the British state from 1940 to about 1947.
superiority and the ability to discover and destroy enemy troop concentrations and supply depots får behind the frontline. Good Russian reconnaissance makes strategic, and often even tactical, surprise nearly impossible. Russia also have a clear advantage in artillery. Russian air superiority and good reconnaissance makes Ukrainian attacks very hard. Especially since there are enormous amounts of mines everywhere. The UkrAF also seems to lack good Air Defence at the frontline. Russian losses of aircrafts has been very low. When Ukrainian ground units attack they must attack through mine fields since they can't demine them in advance due to Russian fire control. Ukrainian forces can't concentrate in huge numbers since they will be discovered in advance if they do that. The Ukrainians have to rush through the minefields with limited resources and hope that their follow up reinforcements don't get to mauled by Russian air power and artillery. If the Ukrainian forces are strong enough RuAF retreat and their old positions become an artillery trap. After a while the newly captured Ukrainian position is transformed to a moon landscape and Russian forces counterattack. Mostly they succeeds in recapturing lost territory and the Ukrainians withdraw. Sometimes Ukrainian units hold on to newly captured positions and move the frontline one or two kilometers, but to a high price. During these 19 days Ukraine has fought an uphill battle, which seemed doomed from the start. The result is probably clearly higher casualties among the Ukrainians, than by the Russian side. This means that UkrAF becomes weaker in comparison to the RuAF. That's one goal not achieved. If the other goals where successful you could accept normal losses, but that's not the case. Ukrainian territorial gains, both on the Southern and Eastern fronts has been minimal and nothing indicates that will change. That in combination with high losses, especially losses on video, destroys all possibility of a propaganda victory. Now Ukraine must try to hide the failed counteroffensive by denying it's existence and downplaying the losses. Ukraine and its supporters still dominate western media so they might have some success there. But doubts will grow even in the west, that the war is winnable and worth spending huge resources on.
You could at least use fucking paragraphs. Beaten to it, sorry.
I like Mr Nicholson's suggestion she's adopted the dead cat strategy. Rather apt.
It's not a spoof story. A teacher called a child despicable and suggested they go to a different school because they had a binary view on sex. The cat element is a red herring.
Quite so.
Don't tell us; tell Kemi. She's the one who mentioned the cat.
Cat-egory error IMV.
That the story might be 5% accurate doesn't justify 95% shite.
This is a cage fight between military factions, not a civil war - thankfully. The general Russian population is not engaged. They will just have to put up with whichever faction comes out on top. For Ukraine it promises the end of their ordeal to be in sight.
Of course the western media isnt covering ukraines disastrous counter offensive .
Before you go you might want to do a bit more research, since there has been plenty of western reporting that the Ukrainian counter offensive has gone slower and tougher than they and the West would like. This isn't Today with Vladimir Solovyov or whatever his show is called, you cannot just make stuff up.
Oh sure begrudgingly admitted at times. Western media propoganda has become so silly recently though. Nothing on ukraine for weeks then hyping up this silly"coup" which will fizzle out soon.
Any idea when "soon" is? I mean. We are at 12 hours already and there doesn't seem to be a great deal happening. Where are the mass protests as in Turkey?
Ukrainians will have to swallow a bitter pill - The Wall Street Journal. By the end of the year, Western support for Kiev will grow so tired that zelensky will be forced to compromise.
superiority and the ability to discover and destroy enemy troop concentrations and supply depots får behind the frontline. Good Russian reconnaissance makes strategic, and often even tactical, surprise nearly impossible. Russia also have a clear advantage in artillery. Russian air superiority and good reconnaissance makes Ukrainian attacks very hard. Especially since there are enormous amounts of mines everywhere. The UkrAF also seems to lack good Air Defence at the frontline. Russian losses of aircrafts has been very low. When Ukrainian ground units attack they must attack through mine fields since they can't demine them in advance due to Russian fire control. Ukrainian forces can't concentrate in huge numbers since they will be discovered in advance if they do that. The Ukrainians have to rush through the minefields with limited resources and hope that their follow up reinforcements don't get to mauled by Russian air power and artillery. If the Ukrainian forces are strong enough RuAF retreat and their old positions become an artillery trap. After a while the newly captured Ukrainian position is transformed to a moon landscape and Russian forces counterattack. Mostly they succeeds in recapturing lost territory and the Ukrainians withdraw. Sometimes Ukrainian units hold on to newly captured positions and move the frontline one or two kilometers, but to a high price. During these 19 days Ukraine has fought an uphill battle, which seemed doomed from the start. The result is probably clearly higher casualties among the Ukrainians, than by the Russian side. This means that UkrAF becomes weaker in comparison to the RuAF. That's one goal not achieved. If the other goals where successful you could accept normal losses, but that's not the case. Ukrainian territorial gains, both on the Southern and Eastern fronts has been minimal and nothing indicates that will change. That in combination with high losses, especially losses on video, destroys all possibility of a propaganda victory. Now Ukraine must try to hide the failed counteroffensive by denying it's existence and downplaying the losses. Ukraine and its supporters still dominate western media so they might have some success there. But doubts will grow even in the west, that the war is winnable and worth spending huge resources on.
I am curious why you think any of this propaganda does anything but show you up as a Kremlin stooge who has little time on a forum that is far more intelligent and informed and frankly sees straight through you
Lol people on here are so misinformed. Not their fault. Western propoganda is powerful so powerful westerners cant define a woman anymore.
Can I bill Prigizhin for these broken irony meters? It’s getting expensive.
superiority and the ability to discover and destroy enemy troop concentrations and supply depots får behind the frontline. Good Russian reconnaissance makes strategic, and often even tactical, surprise nearly impossible. Russia also have a clear advantage in artillery. Russian air superiority and good reconnaissance makes Ukrainian attacks very hard. Especially since there are enormous amounts of mines everywhere. The UkrAF also seems to lack good Air Defence at the frontline. Russian losses of aircrafts has been very low. When Ukrainian ground units attack they must attack through mine fields since they can't demine them in advance due to Russian fire control. Ukrainian forces can't concentrate in huge numbers since they will be discovered in advance if they do that. The Ukrainians have to rush through the minefields with limited resources and hope that their follow up reinforcements don't get to mauled by Russian air power and artillery. If the Ukrainian forces are strong enough RuAF retreat and their old positions become an artillery trap. After a while the newly captured Ukrainian position is transformed to a moon landscape and Russian forces counterattack. Mostly they succeeds in recapturing lost territory and the Ukrainians withdraw. Sometimes Ukrainian units hold on to newly captured positions and move the frontline one or two kilometers, but to a high price. During these 19 days Ukraine has fought an uphill battle, which seemed doomed from the start. The result is probably clearly higher casualties among the Ukrainians, than by the Russian side. This means that UkrAF becomes weaker in comparison to the RuAF. That's one goal not achieved. If the other goals where successful you could accept normal losses, but that's not the case. Ukrainian territorial gains, both on the Southern and Eastern fronts has been minimal and nothing indicates that will change. That in combination with high losses, especially losses on video, destroys all possibility of a propaganda victory. Now Ukraine must try to hide the failed counteroffensive by denying it's existence and downplaying the losses. Ukraine and its supporters still dominate western media so they might have some success there. But doubts will grow even in the west, that the war is winnable and worth spending huge resources on.
superiority and the ability to discover and destroy enemy troop concentrations and supply depots får behind the frontline. Good Russian reconnaissance makes strategic, and often even tactical, surprise nearly impossible. Russia also have a clear advantage in artillery. Russian air superiority and good reconnaissance makes Ukrainian attacks very hard. Especially since there are enormous amounts of mines everywhere. The UkrAF also seems to lack good Air Defence at the frontline. Russian losses of aircrafts has been very low. When Ukrainian ground units attack they must attack through mine fields since they can't demine them in advance due to Russian fire control. Ukrainian forces can't concentrate in huge numbers since they will be discovered in advance if they do that. The Ukrainians have to rush through the minefields with limited resources and hope that their follow up reinforcements don't get to mauled by Russian air power and artillery. If the Ukrainian forces are strong enough RuAF retreat and their old positions become an artillery trap. After a while the newly captured Ukrainian position is transformed to a moon landscape and Russian forces counterattack. Mostly they succeeds in recapturing lost territory and the Ukrainians withdraw. Sometimes Ukrainian units hold on to newly captured positions and move the frontline one or two kilometers, but to a high price. During these 19 days Ukraine has fought an uphill battle, which seemed doomed from the start. The result is probably clearly higher casualties among the Ukrainians, than by the Russian side. This means that UkrAF becomes weaker in comparison to the RuAF. That's one goal not achieved. If the other goals where successful you could accept normal losses, but that's not the case. Ukrainian territorial gains, both on the Southern and Eastern fronts has been minimal and nothing indicates that will change. That in combination with high losses, especially losses on video, destroys all possibility of a propaganda victory. Now Ukraine must try to hide the failed counteroffensive by denying it's existence and downplaying the losses. Ukraine and its supporters still dominate western media so they might have some success there. But doubts will grow even in the west, that the war is winnable and worth spending huge resources on.
I am curious why you think any of this propaganda does anything but show you up as a Kremlin stooge who has little time on a forum that is far more intelligent and informed and frankly sees straight through you
Lol people on here are so misinformed. Not their fault. Western propoganda is powerful so powerful westerners cant define a woman anymore.
Yet paradoxically it is so easy for us to define a c%nt.
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A country as vast and well-armed as that does not spiral into chaos without it affecting large areas of the rest of the world, for diverse, military, migratory , and economic reasons. It wouldn't be something we could just cheerfully watch from our armchairs.
Ukraine’s counteroffensive is having less success and Russian forces are showing more competence than western assessments expected, two western officials and a senior US military official tell CNN. The counteroffensive is “not meeting expectations on any front,” one of them said
4:05 PM · Jun 22, 2023
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https://twitter.com/I_Katchanovski/status/1671897144301854721?s=20
His ambitions and lack of willingness to remain in the shadows have certainly altered.
Yours will of course be the entry level warm up, but I reckon there are a number of others that will be instantly recognisable.
I’m confident in a quiz like that I could pick out BigG, HYUFD, Leon, Horse, NickPalmer, Moonrabbit, Cyclefree, BJO and a selection of others.
(Chef)
You're damn right
Who is the man that would risk his neck for a run at Moscow?
(Chef)
Can you dig it?
Who's the cat that won't cop out when there's danger all about?
(Chef)
Right on
They say this cat Chef is a bad mother
(Shut your mouth)
But I'm talkin' 'bout Chef
(Then we can dig it)
He's a complicated man
But no one understands him but his Wagner
(Yev Chef)
Prigozhin’s busy designing Russia’s new stab in the back myth.
25k to Gulag or Frontline Punishment Battalion.
1 out of the 28th Floor window.
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1672538775140851713
Can't remember the details, but Russia was definitely involved. A year and a bit ago?
That said I was already worried about the impact of all the mobilisation fleers on my holiday in Georgia next month. Not sure it’s going to be very relaxing if the place is coping with hordes of Russian refugees too, or busy recapturing South Ossetia.
A Russian Il-22M communications aircraft (reportedly RF-75917) was shot down by Wagner forces in #Voronezh Oblast.
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1672542143280234496
This might be their best remaining operator.
I miss Micktrain. Mate.
If they were going to the gulag, I get the impression there would be fighting south of Moscow by now.
Full blown civil wars are never good.
It still looks too early to tell, and there still doesn't look to much (or any?) fighting slowing their advance.
Even by the logical standards that are applied with these types it's insane.
Hope you’re all well and the weather is good up there.
Glorious day here in Durham. A trip to Hamsterley Forest awaits.
Putin´s dithering and now his call to crush the rebellion will be the end of him, whether in two days or six months is not yet clear. My personal bet is that this will expand into a civil war pretty quickly unless the army can retake control of the oblasty under Wagner control by midweek.
Flight radar around Moscow kind of interesting. a load of Bizjets taking off for Turkey. The Vlasty are taking the chance to leave asap.
ANALYSIS UKRAINIAN COUNTEROFFENSIVE JUNE 22 How is the Ukrainian counteroffensive faring, after 19 days? It's stuck, like the Ukrainian T-64 in the video below. The least surprised are probably Russian military leadership and planners. Most disappointed are probably Ukraine's most ardent supporters in social media. Even though they doesn't seem to realised the situation yet. How can I say that the counteroffensive is a failure already? The offensive had three main objectives. Firstly to show the world, especially Ukraine's western backers, how strong UkrAF is and how weak RuAF are. This in turn would increase support for Ukraine and decrease Russian standing in the world. Secondly to make substantial territorial gains. If not cutting of the corridor to Crimea, at least make it so thin that Ukrainian artillery could control most of it. A third objective
would be to hurt RuAF badly with moderate own losses. Non of the objectives have been achieved, not even close. This failure isn't a surprise since it was impossible for Ukraine to get those things in place which ensures a successful offensive. Those are air superiority, three folded superiority in soldiers and weapons, better logistics and reconnaissance, strategic (and tactical) surprise, good weather and good motivated units. Finally you have to be able to concentrate a strong attack formation at weak spots in enemy lines and break through with those forces. RuAF knew where the UkrAF would attack and had prepared massive defensive positions for half a year. The Russian forces are equal to Ukrainian forces in manpower, but more surprisingly also in quality and motivation. Russia has air
Is it really ?
We're observing; you're spinning like an ultracentrifuge.
For people seeking to free themselves from tyranny they can be.
And for people from other nations seeking not to be threatened by those now too busy killing each other to be a threat to other nations anymore they can be too.
A peaceful disintegration of the Muscovite Empire and the demise of Russia as a unitary state would be far better of course, but its not likely, so a civil war might be the next best thing.
That said the fact he’s had to do it at all betrays a vulnerability.
This all looks very odd, vaguely like a dream.
Personally, given the poor standard of trolling, I have always assumed it is because you are at school on week days and have an 8pm curfew imposed by your Mums. So saturday morning it is either cartoons or earn a bit of pocket money.
https://twitter.com/drdavidjeffery/status/1672498832423153666?s=46
(That was a literary joke by the way which you might not get as English isn't your first language)
You’ve just rewritten my understanding of how he’s fucked up so spectacularly and destroyed Russia in two sentences.
I’m very obliged to you.
The jet of the Belarus Dictator Lukashenko 🇧🇾 family took off from Belarus and is now in the sky over Turkey 🇹🇷.
Upon entering Russian airspace, the aircraft turned off the transponders and turned them on only over Kalmykia, when exiting Russia 🇷🇺.
https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1672420961138757639?s=46
Chicken run from Luka would certainly add to the fun.
Putin has relied on repression until now, how popular is he actually? He might find that his support is a mile wide but an inch deep when it comes to it.
https://twitter.com/TheLMSavage/status/1672502498848849920
As we have been for the last nine months at your friends’ efforts to conceal your country’s humiliation.
Nazi scum getting what they deserve would be much funnier if thousands of innocent Ukrainians hadn’t been killed, of course.
I mean if it was Monday afternoon it might work a bit better. No-one would be expecting it. But week after week, right on cue, along comes the bot. Maybe it's all centralised target driven bureaucracy that's to blame.
"OSINTtechnical
@Osinttechnical
Full footage of the pair of Russian Ka-52s that bombed the [oil] tank farm in Voronezh"
But then you'd expect much more chaos in the air South of Moscow ; maybe Putin and a couple of others around him only have the loyalty of some, and others at the top have backing elsewhere, particularly among the ground forces.
However, it was the workers of Petrograd coupled with the mutiny of its garrison that did for the Tsar, not peasant rebellions. Just as it was the people of Moscow did for the coup in 1991.
And he appears to have lost a great deal of support in the army and he was never popular in the cities.
Doesn’t mean he’s likely to be overthrown but I can see why he’s panicking.
Warning: The Ukrainian counter-offensive failed miserably. The US needs a massive false flag to keep the war going. Something that affects NATO countries directly, like a cloud of nuclear radiation. They will blow up the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant and blame it on Russia
10:44 PM · Jun 22, 2023
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Maybe an attempted cia instigated coup is the west in desperation.
https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/1671997656204472320?s=20
There have already been plenty of stories about the inability of the Russians to get sufficient numbers of planes and helicopters in a serviceable condition, and crews with sufficient experience to operate them in theatre. Every little helps!
Quite a section of the Opposition came out too.
Important to note though, that the Coup was well planned. It failed, at least in part, because Erdogan simply wasn't where he was supposed to be when they came to arrest him.
Let's turn this around - did Russian media report on the January 6th events in the USA? Something which fizzled out within less than a day? It was, as it turns out, pretty newsworthy.
Even if, for sake of argument, this 'coup' business goes nowhere - and plenty think that will be the case - you are trying to argue it should not be followed as a newsworthy event the day it is happening.
You could at least use fucking paragraphs.Beaten to it, sorry.
That the story might be 5% accurate doesn't justify 95% shite.
The general Russian population is not engaged. They will just have to put up with whichever faction comes out on top. For Ukraine it promises the end of their ordeal to be in sight.
I mean. We are at 12 hours already and there doesn't seem to be a great deal happening.
Where are the mass protests as in Turkey?
https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/status/1671782452744839168?s=20