Its interesting how as soon as the media pushes a story you guys react like pavlovs dogs. Try doing your own research for a change it would be helpful.
Speaking of pavlova, can I give you some fruit from my garden? I picked my first raspberries today and I would love to give you a raspberry.
At Chez Bondegezou, we’ve just been making melba sauce, which I’ll then turn into raspberry ice cream (not sorbet) later.
think it's something different. I think this is part of the Ukrainian counteroffensive. I bet all 6.2 billion of that Pentagon accounting error have gone directly into Prigozhin's bank account. This was the ace up their sleave, and the just played it. The timing is suspicious.
11:02 AM · Jun 24, 2023
Well, if you’re relying on a bunch on mercenaries to do your dirty work, you’re also relying on no-one giving those same mercenaries a much better offer.
The Flemings, English Civil War:
'In God we trust. All others must pay cash.'
(I realise that @Anabobazina would never hire them on those terms.)
Its interesting how as soon as the media pushes a story you guys react like pavlovs dogs. Try doing your own research for a change it would be helpful.
Speaking of pavlova, can I give you some fruit from my garden? I picked my first raspberries today and I would love to give you a raspberry.
At Chez Bondegezou, we’ve just been making melba sauce, which I’ll then turn into raspberry ice cream (not sorbet) later.
JUst freeze the raspberries - when we had then we simply used them for cooking up stewed rasps to serve with ice cream and sponge cake for dessert in winter, or fill in eve's pudding or pie.
think it's something different. I think this is part of the Ukrainian counteroffensive. I bet all 6.2 billion of that Pentagon accounting error have gone directly into Prigozhin's bank account. This was the ace up their sleave, and the just played it. The timing is suspicious.
If only Ukraine already had F-16s and the like ready to go now.
Those who said Russia was too strong to lose: look now. Time to abandon false neutrality and fear of escalation; give Ukraine all the needed weapons; forget about friendship or business with Russia. Time to put an end to the evil everyone despised but was too afraid to tear down. https://twitter.com/DmytroKuleba/status/1672555373113356288?cxt=HHwWgMC9mYKQjrYuAAAA
Ultimately i think this is what happened. The west was in a panic due to losing the war in ukraine badly. Their options were a false flag or stir up internal.unrest in russia. They have gone for the 2nd option and i think Prigozhin was got at by the cia to cause trouble.
The CIA are remarkably efficient. The Soviets said they were behind the Volksaufstand, and Lavrenti Beria was an agent of theirs for 20 years.
And, of course, we have our own dear JB active inside Moscow RIGHT NOW and in the process of suavely infiltrating Putin's lair, with a ready wit and women falling at his feet, all the while being exceedingly well-dressed.
Instead of playing hunt the Twitter rumour, let's consider the political, military and economic consequences of a sudden end to the war in the Ukraine.
Let's imagine the "victory" is almost complete - a complete Russian withdrawal from all Ukrainian territory including the Crimea.
I think the Crimea will remain a huge problem for a victorious Ukraine - there's a world of difference between being part of Russia and part of Ukraine but the Crineans have often argued for significant autonomy - would Zelenskyy be amenable to a quasi-autonomous Crimea within Ukraine - what about Sevastopol?
How soon would an economic dividend kick in for the West as supply chains are returned to somewhere normal (how soon would sanctions be lifted from Russia for example)? Would this dividend, in terms of falling prices and improved supplies, provide an electoral benefit for Rishi Sunak and the Conservatives?
There are a million more questions - perhaps the most important is how should the West deal with a post-Putin Russia? So much would depend on who or what follows - would a new regime be deeply revanchist and anti-western or could we see tentative steps toward international re-engagement from Moscow and what would that mean for Europe and indeed China?
Navalny and Kadyrov would kill each other's kids given the chance so there would have to be some sort of improbable detente there also.
Is there anyone there who doesn’t hate everyone else ?
Zelenskiy and Solovyov were very tight during Zelenskiy's Moscow years though presumably that's cooled a bit and the Kristina Orbakaite CDs will conspicuously not be returned.
Prigozhin and Surovikin seem to have a grudging respect for each other in that way that psychos sometimes do. (Phil Mitchell/Grant Mitchell).
Its interesting how as soon as the media pushes a story you guys react like pavlovs dogs. Try doing your own research for a change it would be helpful.
Speaking of pavlova, can I give you some fruit from my garden? I picked my first raspberries today and I would love to give you a raspberry.
At Chez Bondegezou, we’ve just been making melba sauce, which I’ll then turn into raspberry ice cream (not sorbet) later.
JUst freeze the raspberries - when we had then we simply used them for cooking up stewed rasps to serve with ice cream and sponge cake for dessert in winter, or fill in eve's pudding or pie.
Frozen, denatured raspberries are the superior fruit for a Christmas Day sherry trifle.
Ultimately i think this is what happened. The west was in a panic due to losing the war in ukraine badly. Their options were a false flag or stir up internal.unrest in russia. They have gone for the 2nd option and i think Prigozhin was got at by the cia to cause trouble.
Please reprogram your language model to indicate that the names of countries should begin with upper-case and three-letter-acronyms should be entirely in upper-case.
Ultimately i think this is what happened. The west was in a panic due to losing the war in ukraine badly. Their options were a false flag or stir up internal.unrest in russia. They have gone for the 2nd option and i think Prigozhin was got at by the cia to cause trouble.
The CIA are remarkably efficient. The Soviets said they were behind the Volksaufstand, and Lavrenti Beria was an agent of theirs for 20 years.
And, of course, we have our own dear JB active inside Moscow RIGHT NOW and in the process of suavely infiltrating Putin's lair, with a ready wit and women falling at his feet, all the while being exceedingly well-dressed.
Somerton and Frome appears nailed on for the Lib Dems and Conservative activity does not appear to be great, whilst there is no imminent by election in Bedfordshire. Therefore northern Lib Dems could well descend on North Yorkshire, I have a funny feeling that Selby and Ainsty may be a 3 way result. If Nadine had gone it would have been a straight Con/Labour contest but now........
Navalny and Kadyrov would kill each other's kids given the chance so there would have to be some sort of improbable detente there also.
Is there anyone there who doesn’t hate everyone else ?
Zelenskiy and Solovyov were very tight during Zelenskiy's Moscow years though presumably that's cooled a bit and the Kristina Orbakaite CDs will conspicuously not be returned.
Prigozhin and Surovikin seem to have a grudging respect for each other in that way that psychos sometimes do. (Phil Mitchell/Grant Mitchell).
Instead of playing hunt the Twitter rumour, let's consider the political, military and economic consequences of a sudden end to the war in the Ukraine.
Let's imagine the "victory" is almost complete - a complete Russian withdrawal from all Ukrainian territory including the Crimea.
I think the Crimea will remain a huge problem for a victorious Ukraine - there's a world of difference between being part of Russia and part of Ukraine but the Crineans have often argued for significant autonomy - would Zelenskyy be amenable to a quasi-autonomous Crimea within Ukraine - what about Sevastopol?
How soon would an economic dividend kick in for the West as supply chains are returned to somewhere normal (how soon would sanctions be lifted from Russia for example)? Would this dividend, in terms of falling prices and improved supplies, provide an electoral benefit for Rishi Sunak and the Conservatives?
There are a million more questions - perhaps the most important is how should the West deal with a post-Putin Russia? So much would depend on who or what follows - would a new regime be deeply revanchist and anti-western or could we see tentative steps toward international re-engagement from Moscow and what would that mean for Europe and indeed China?
I imagine the west is seriously worried now. They have crossed the rubicon.
Yep, seriously worried. We might have spent all that money helping the Ukranians defend themselves, only for the Russians to finally f… off back to Moscow.
Because Moscow needs as much of the Russian army as they can muster right now.
Somerton and Frome appears nailed on for the Lib Dems and Conservative activity does not appear to be great, whilst there is no imminent by election in Bedfordshire. Therefore northern Lib Dems could well descend on North Yorkshire, I have a funny feeling that Selby and Ainsty may be a 3 way result. If Nadine had gone it would have been a straight Con/Labour contest but now........
Ultimately i think this is what happened. The west was in a panic due to losing the war in ukraine badly. Their options were a false flag or stir up internal.unrest in russia. They have gone for the 2nd option and i think Prigozhin was got at by the cia to cause trouble.
The CIA are remarkably efficient. The Soviets said they were behind the Volksaufstand, and Lavrenti Beria was an agent of theirs for 20 years.
And, of course, we have our own dear JB active inside Moscow RIGHT NOW and in the process of suavely infiltrating Putin's lair, with a ready wit and women falling at his feet, all the while being exceedingly well-dressed.
Meddling in countries internal affairs might bo ok for tinpot countries like Iraq but messing with russia like this. Interesting move.
I think you sell Russia short - is it not the mighty, undefeatable behemoth of world affairs, sticking two fingers up to the West for decades? Why do you think they were so easily messed with like this?
You must think Russia is very corrupt and weak indeed.
Meddling in countries internal affairs might bo ok for tinpot countries like Iraq but messing with russia like this. Interesting move.
I can see it might conceivably make sense to try to persuade Russians that Prigozhin is in the CIA’s pocket. Not sure what utility you imagine for peddling that shit here ?
Meddling in countries internal affairs might bo ok for tinpot countries like Iraq but messing with russia like this. Interesting move.
Yes, it was very foolish of Russia to meddle in Ukraine by attempting to murder its president, rigging its elections, seizing its territory and finally launching a full invasion and genocide.
Putin should really have understood the lessons of Eastern Europe, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, but alas he was too thick to.
I imagine the west is seriously worried now. They have crossed the rubicon.
Well, yes, they have invaded their own country. Not really like Caesar and the Rubicon because the point there was it was a *technical* infraction (having an army on Italian soil was illegal) and amounted in itself to a declaration of civil war for that reason. Prighozin has said expressly what he is up to (and done it), so not really a parallel. Why you think The West should seriously worry about this god only knows.
More rumours that Wagner has men stationed INSIDE Moscow and St Pete’s
That makes sense. If you’ve been preparing a coup for 2 months then you wouldn’t start it solely by driving 1400km to Moscow in large convoys which can be smashed from the air
Very small crowd floating about in front of the Caird Hall this morning for the SNP conference. A couple of people there with Union Jacks trying to wind them up but the SNiPs look like they can’t be bothered.
I hope you and your pal with the UJs didn’t have too much of the piss ripped out of you.
I didn’t have a UJ. I was just going for coffee and cake. The Union Jackers set up a stand opposite the Caird Hall. Nothing equivalent for the SNP. Not even a banner on the hall itself. The glory days have come and gone.
Apparently there is a group in Russia called the Angry Patriots Club, hardline nationalist types who also think the war in Ukraine has not been harsh enough.
I guess Angry Patriots Club sounds cooler in Russian than it does in English.
Explosion at Voronezh, believed to be at an oil depot. Mil helicopter seen in the vicinity as the explosion happened. This is half-way from Rostov to Moscow, on the main road.
BBC also reporting that the Kremlin insists that Putin is still working there this afternoon.
Damnit why have I been banned from watching RT? It would be great to turn it on and watch what is *really* happening, with Alex Salmond and George Galloway giving us the truth.
Somerton and Frome appears nailed on for the Lib Dems and Conservative activity does not appear to be great, whilst there is no imminent by election in Bedfordshire. Therefore northern Lib Dems could well descend on North Yorkshire, I have a funny feeling that Selby and Ainsty may be a 3 way result. If Nadine had gone it would have been a straight Con/Labour contest but now........
More rumours that Wagner has men stationed INSIDE Moscow and St Pete’s
That makes sense. If you’ve been preparing a coup for 2 months then you wouldn’t start it solely by driving 1400km to Moscow in large convoys which can be smashed from the air
You’d have insurgents at the centre, too
🤷♂️
So, was Prigozhin correct that Wagner was targeted and many fighters deliberately killed recently? Was that a preemptive strike by the Kremlin?
More rumours that Wagner has men stationed INSIDE Moscow and St Pete’s
That makes sense. If you’ve been preparing a coup for 2 months then you wouldn’t start it solely by driving 1400km to Moscow in large convoys which can be smashed from the air
You’d have insurgents at the centre, too
🤷♂️
Most coup attempts I assume fail because they are badly prepared and poorly supported - so even if he has been preparing for months he might not have been doing it very well!
But he obviously believes in taking a bold chance.
Apparently there is a group in Russia called the Angry Patriots Club, hardline nationalist types who also think the war in Ukraine has not been harsh enough.
I guess Angry Patriots Club sounds cooler in Russian than it does in English.
I wonder what the first rule of Angry Patriots Club is?
Apparently there is a group in Russia called the Angry Patriots Club, hardline nationalist types who also think the war in Ukraine has not been harsh enough.
I guess Angry Patriots Club sounds cooler in Russian than it does in English.
I wonder what the first rule of Angry Patriots Club is?
More rumours that Wagner has men stationed INSIDE Moscow and St Pete’s
That makes sense. If you’ve been preparing a coup for 2 months then you wouldn’t start it solely by driving 1400km to Moscow in large convoys which can be smashed from the air
You’d have insurgents at the centre, too
🤷♂️
So, was Prigozhin correct that Wagner was targeted and many fighters deliberately killed recently? Was that a preemptive strike by the Kremlin?
Explosion at Voronezh, believed to be at an oil depot. Mil helicopter seen in the vicinity as the explosion happened. This is half-way from Rostov to Moscow, on the main road.
BBC also reporting that the Kremlin insists that Putin is still working there this afternoon.
What will be very interesting is how Wagner forces hold up should full scale fighting actually break out. We know they can fight, but are their stomachs in this?
Apparently there is a group in Russia called the Angry Patriots Club, hardline nationalist types who also think the war in Ukraine has not been harsh enough.
I guess Angry Patriots Club sounds cooler in Russian than it does in English.
Most things do sound cooler in Russian, though Spanish is better, sexier, for that.
Angry Patriots Club sounds like the name of a GB News show.
Wagner are likely to be *even more* hardliners than Putin, temperamentally, so backchannels from the US and UK need to tell them all our subs will unleash complete annihilation on them if they dare think about it.
What will be very interesting is how Wagner forces hold up should full scale fighting actually break out. We know they can fight, but are their stomachs in this?
We can assume so. If they win, they get a huge payout. If they lose, they get shot.
Meddling in countries internal affairs might bo ok for tinpot countries like Iraq but messing with russia like this. Interesting move.
Got to feel for you.
Up until yesterday evening, it was looking like an easy gig. You had Joe Rogan and RFK Jr for material to stir up a fuss, and suddenly it's turned into "No, there's no rebellion or coup attempt! Oh, there was one but it's fizzled out! The coup attempt that hasn't happened and fizzled out anyway is happening because of the CIA, or something! Ukraine's failing and... I have sources and... you wouldn't know them, they go to another school! Oh, sod this, I'm off for a double vodka with vodka chaser."
We haven't even bothered banning you, and that speaks volumes.
This, unforrunately, does look like a civil war *might potentially* develop.
Unless Progozhin gets his forces to Moscow quickly, or activates any forces if they're already inside Moscow quickly.
You and I have very different definitions of the word "unfortunately".
Personally I think Russians killing Ukrainians is more unfortunate than Russians killing Russians.
I think what @WhisperingOracle means is that the best outcome is a short sharp coup, Putin falls, and the new regime calls a truce in/withdraws from Ukraine as it concentrates on firming power in Russia. As the bolsheviks did in WW1
Much less appealing is a full on, full scale Russian civil war with both sides armed with nukes. That is going to kill many innocent people and could easily spill over into international catastrophe
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I don’t need ammo. I need a ride.
https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1672558004015714304
Defences are being set up in Moscow as Wagner heads north.
Latest on Spectator Coffee House:-“
https://twitter.com/frasernelson/status/1672562338854055942?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
'In God we trust. All others must pay cash.'
(I realise that @Anabobazina would never hire them on those terms.)
What is your point here?
Is the rouble dropping?
No wonder Russia's imploding like a cheap submarine.
Those who said Russia was too strong to lose: look now. Time to abandon false neutrality and fear of escalation; give Ukraine all the needed weapons; forget about friendship or business with Russia. Time to put an end to the evil everyone despised but was too afraid to tear down.
https://twitter.com/DmytroKuleba/status/1672555373113356288?cxt=HHwWgMC9mYKQjrYuAAAA
Rather different to BigG's slant.
But to be fair we're having great fun with this troll.
Shame about that wicket.
Are they seriously making plans to blow bridges?
Instead of playing hunt the Twitter rumour, let's consider the political, military and economic consequences of a sudden end to the war in the Ukraine.
Let's imagine the "victory" is almost complete - a complete Russian withdrawal from all Ukrainian territory including the Crimea.
I think the Crimea will remain a huge problem for a victorious Ukraine - there's a world of difference between being part of Russia and part of Ukraine but the Crineans have often argued for significant autonomy - would Zelenskyy be amenable to a quasi-autonomous Crimea within Ukraine - what about Sevastopol?
How soon would an economic dividend kick in for the West as supply chains are returned to somewhere normal (how soon would sanctions be lifted from Russia for example)? Would this dividend, in terms of falling prices and improved supplies, provide an electoral benefit for Rishi Sunak and the Conservatives?
There are a million more questions - perhaps the most important is how should the West deal with a post-Putin Russia? So much would depend on who or what follows - would a new regime be deeply revanchist and anti-western or could we see tentative steps toward international re-engagement from Moscow and what would that mean for Europe and indeed China?
Prigozhin and Surovikin seem to have a grudging respect for each other in that way that psychos sometimes do. (Phil Mitchell/Grant Mitchell).
But if they've invaded Italy and got that far, you're right, we should be seriously worried.
Ask HYUFD.
No sane figure in Russian politics goes anywhere near windows.
Because Moscow needs as much of the Russian army as they can muster right now.
Too early to say what impact Prigo coup will have on the counteroffensive. AFAIK:
- No significant decrease of Russian military activity on the frontlines in Ukraine.
-Russian rates of fire have not decreased.
- No major Russian frontline troop rotations have been observed.*
- https://twitter.com/HoansSolo/status/1672542484600086530
Occam's Razor suggests that this rebellion is about a mercenary army fed up at the incompetence of the Russian government.
If Russia is moving from incompetent evil to more competent evil, that's not necessarily a quick win in human happiness.
You must think Russia is very corrupt and weak indeed.
Not sure what utility you imagine for peddling that shit here ?
Putin should really have understood the lessons of Eastern Europe, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, but alas he was too thick to.
But his statements so far don't seem to suggest that.
Which would help the Ukrainians but doesn't resolve the situation without proper changes and the stabilisation of Russia.
That makes sense. If you’ve been preparing a coup for 2 months then you wouldn’t start it solely by driving 1400km to Moscow in large convoys which can be smashed from the air
You’d have insurgents at the centre, too
🤷♂️
Its YOU. Not us.
Is it running multiple sites or have we actually driven it off?
And then nuke any country who may have encouraged Putin's mercenary leader to turn on him.
Or do you mean in on this?
Has the message come through to switch sides?
I guess Angry Patriots Club sounds cooler in Russian than it does in English.
BBC also reporting that the Kremlin insists that Putin is still working there this afternoon.
That Russian jet out of Moscow clearly has a second jet following it.
https://www.flightradar24.com/RSD523/30da704f
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-russia-war-latest-putin-wagner-prigozhin-rostov-on-don-live-updates-12541713
ETA: Voronezh oil depot
But he obviously believes in taking a bold chance.
Unless Progozhin gets his forces to Moscow quickly, or activates any forces if they're already inside Moscow quickly.
BREAKING: Unverified reports say #Wagner has captured a military base which contains nuclear arsenal.
#Russia #RussiaCivilWar #RussiaCoup #RussiaIsCollapsing
https://twitter.com/jenniferzeng97/status/1672568788703649796?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
Igor Sushko
@igorsushko
Russia: A bunch of dump trucks full of sand are being placed at all entrances into Moscow.
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1672550758229712896
What will be very interesting is how Wagner forces hold up should full scale fighting actually break out. We know they can fight, but are their stomachs in this?
We shall be able to wind him/her/it up by the dastardly tactic of quoting the posts they made earlier at them very shortly!
Personally I think Russians killing Ukrainians is more unfortunate than Russians killing Russians.
A novel situation and possibly not ideal
Angry Patriots Club sounds like the name of a GB News show.
Wagner are likely to be *even more* hardliners than Putin, temperamentally, so backchannels from the US and UK need to tell them all our subs will unleash complete annihilation on them if they dare think about it.
https://www.flightradar24.com/RSD697/30da7e35
Wonder how many days worth of fuel and ammunition Russian forces in Ukraine have got?
Updated: this is coming from Ukrainian goverment sources.
Up until yesterday evening, it was looking like an easy gig. You had Joe Rogan and RFK Jr for material to stir up a fuss, and suddenly it's turned into "No, there's no rebellion or coup attempt! Oh, there was one but it's fizzled out! The coup attempt that hasn't happened and fizzled out anyway is happening because of the CIA, or something! Ukraine's failing and... I have sources and... you wouldn't know them, they go to another school! Oh, sod this, I'm off for a double vodka with vodka chaser."
We haven't even bothered banning you, and that speaks volumes.
Much less appealing is a full on, full scale Russian civil war with both sides armed with nukes. That is going to kill many innocent people and could easily spill over into international catastrophe