So what quiz question is George Canning now the answer to?
Last PM to fight a duel?
Wellington fought a duel with the Earl of Winchilsea in 1829, while PM.
Wellington being Early Woke - he was in favour of Catholic Emancipation.
I like the story that a friend of Winchilsea pointed out that
- if he killed Wellington would be the most reviled an in the country. Emancipation would pass without opposition. He would be lucky not to he hung - if Wellington killed him, no one would give a shit. Emancipation would pass almost without opposition. - if neither of them died, Emancipation would pass anyway, because Winchilsea was in the wrong and had made himself look like an idiot.
So what quiz question is George Canning now the answer to?
Last PM to fight a duel?
Wellington fought a duel with the Earl of Winchilsea in 1829, while PM.
Wellington being Early Woke - he was in favour of Catholic Emancipation.
I like the story that a friend of Winchilsea pointed out that
- if he killed Wellington would be the most reviled an in the country. Emancipation would pass without opposition. He would be lucky not to he hung - if Wellington killed him, no one would give a shit. Emancipation would pass almost without opposition. - if neither of them died, Emancipation would pass anyway, because Winchilsea was in the wrong and had made himself look like an idiot.
Sounds a good bloke. "Occasionally he took the chair at May meetings at Exeter Hall, but his intemperate language prevented him from becoming a leader in evangelical politics."
Could it be that Brady doesn't think it's his place to discuss the involvement of the member and will leave the job of telling them they won't be involved to Berry later?
The Poundshop Churchill and the Poundshop Thatcher have both not quite turned out to be value for money.
Boris delivered Brexit, Truss delivered the abolition of the Health and Social Care Levy.
Lets have a new PM every 4 months who can deliver one thing each.
They both delivered chaos. That is something that I think it is fair for an electorate to expect not to happen in a mature democracy. Anyone that makes excuses for either is a fuckwit.
So what quiz question is George Canning now the answer to?
Last PM to fight a duel?
Wellington fought a duel with the Earl of Winchilsea in 1829, while PM.
Wellington being Early Woke - he was in favour of Catholic Emancipation.
I like the story that a friend of Winchilsea pointed out that
- if he killed Wellington would be the most reviled an in the country. Emancipation would pass without opposition. He would be lucky not to he hung - if Wellington killed him, no one would give a shit. Emancipation would pass almost without opposition. - if neither of them died, Emancipation would pass anyway, because Winchilsea was in the wrong and had made himself look like an idiot.
On a point of pedantry:
Wellington was *not* in favour of Catholic emancipation, he just preferred it given the choice of that or civil war in Ireland.
So what quiz question is George Canning now the answer to?
Last PM to fight a duel?
Wellington fought a duel with the Earl of Winchilsea in 1829, while PM.
Wellington being Early Woke - he was in favour of Catholic Emancipation.
I like the story that a friend of Winchilsea pointed out that
- if he killed Wellington would be the most reviled an in the country. Emancipation would pass without opposition. He would be lucky not to he hung - if Wellington killed him, no one would give a shit. Emancipation would pass almost without opposition. - if neither of them died, Emancipation would pass anyway, because Winchilsea was in the wrong and had made himself look like an idiot.
Sounds a good bloke. "Occasionally he took the chair at May meetings at Exeter Hall, but his intemperate language prevented him from becoming a leader in evangelical politics."
Winchilsea would have been too bigoted and stupid to be in the ERG….
The Poundshop Churchill and the Poundshop Thatcher have both not quite turned out to be value for money.
Boris delivered Brexit, Truss delivered the abolition of the Health and Social Care Levy.
Lets have a new PM every 4 months who can deliver one thing each.
They both delivered chaos. That is something that I think it is fair for an electorate to expect not to happen in a mature democracy. Anyone that makes excuses for either is a fuckwit.
You say that as if its a bad thing.
Chaos is a part of creative destruction and allows evolution and progress.
Decided to put a tiny sum on Badenoch at 75. Unlikely, but stranger things have happened, she surprised on the upside last time, and seems more fiscally sound than some others.
The Poundshop Churchill and the Poundshop Thatcher have both not quite turned out to be value for money.
Boris delivered Brexit, Truss delivered the abolition of the Health and Social Care Levy.
Lets have a new PM every 4 months who can deliver one thing each.
They both delivered chaos. That is something that I think it is fair for an electorate to expect not to happen in a mature democracy. Anyone that makes excuses for either is a fuckwit.
You say that as if its a bad thing.
Chaos is a part of creative destruction and allows evolution and progress.
Sclerosis is not a good thing.
You wouldn't know because you never do anything positively disruptive other than tap away on a keyboard writing incoherent contrarian populist shite
So what quiz question is George Canning now the answer to?
Last PM to fight a duel?
Wellington fought a duel with the Earl of Winchilsea in 1829, while PM.
Wellington being Early Woke - he was in favour of Catholic Emancipation.
I like the story that a friend of Winchilsea pointed out that
- if he killed Wellington would be the most reviled an in the country. Emancipation would pass without opposition. He would be lucky not to he hung - if Wellington killed him, no one would give a shit. Emancipation would pass almost without opposition. - if neither of them died, Emancipation would pass anyway, because Winchilsea was in the wrong and had made himself look like an idiot.
On a point of pedantry:
Wellington was *not* in favour of Catholic emancipation, he just preferred it given the choice of that or civil war in Ireland.
I take the view that if you have option A or option B, you pick option B and defend your choice with actual gunfire, then you are in favour of B.
Wellington was actually canvassing for votes in parliament and the Lords to get it passed, not merely standing by.
The Poundshop Churchill and the Poundshop Thatcher have both not quite turned out to be value for money.
Boris delivered Brexit, Truss delivered the abolition of the Health and Social Care Levy.
Lets have a new PM every 4 months who can deliver one thing each.
They both delivered chaos. That is something that I think it is fair for an electorate to expect not to happen in a mature democracy. Anyone that makes excuses for either is a fuckwit.
You say that as if its a bad thing.
Chaos is a part of creative destruction and allows evolution and progress.
My betting this time round is below par, and I shall leave it there as there are too many unknowns at too short prices. A trader could make a bit, the way Rishi and Penny are bouncing in and out.
If it goes to the membership it will surely be the candidate who Rishi isn't. They won't give the globalist, arch-Remainer assassin of Boris another go - that would be tantamount to admitting they were idiots for rejecting him in the first place. No one likes to look stupid (so I'm told).
If Sunak wins and Hunt stays as Chancellor this is going to cause uproar with many Tory members/voters.
Surely Hunt is staying as chancellor. New leader on the 28th, the chancellor has to make his statement on the 31st! So presumably he's inherited with the role, whoever comes in.
Starmer arguing that Labour would be a stable government. I think they will be anything but when they realise what decisions they would have to make. The internal far-left vs centre-left divisions have not been resolved. They will tear themselves apart.
If it goes to the membership it will surely be the candidate who Rishi isn't. They won't give the globalist, arch-Remainer assassin of Boris another go - that would be tantamount to admitting they were idiots for rejecting him in the first place. No one likes to look stupid (so I'm told).
May seem counterintuitive but I think we are about to enter a couple of years of very dull politics and surprising stability.
First of all, the Tories will choose someone moderately sensible - I think either Mordaunt or Sunak fits that brief - and I expect the crazies will slowly but surely disappear from the rest of the cabinet. The Hunt and Shapps elevations point the way.
Second, everyone is now terrified of enacting any economic or tax policy that is remotely radical. We are going to see 2 years of stasis in tax, and the cuts that will inevitably be needed will be hidden ones, non-real terms increases, further cuts to local government, and a further slow bleeding of public services.
Third, Labour is now trying to get into government in waiting mode so it will be increasingly focused on developing its own policy programme. It will find it hard to get really worked up about people like Mordaunt and Hunt so the focus will be on policy - particularly the state of public services - rather than personalities. The wing nuts are going to be gone.
The one "exciting" thing we will almost certainly be witnessing or (hopefully not) participating in will be the denouement of the Ukraine war.
Of course if the membership decide to elect Braverman as PM then all bets are off, but I don't think even they are that stupid.
Just logged back in to say... people keep going on about this being 'chaos', but I'm not so sure. The fact is that she was not up to the job and she got forced to resign and it was all over and done with in a few weeks. It is actually pretty impressive when you compare it to how long Corbyn hung around in the Labour Party.. I'm not sure a General Election would resolve things either, we could well go in to a hung parliament and a stalemate whilst all this chaos is going on, with the SNP holding the country to ransom over the abolition of Trident or whatever. At the moment, we just need someone to carry out the business of managing the country, hopefully the tories will be up to it and not destroy themselves again in the process....
If Sunak wins and Hunt stays as Chancellor this is going to cause uproar with many Tory members/voters.
Tough.
We're not quite in the Italian scenario of a crashed government being replaced by faceless technocrats, but the last six weeks have left us pretty close. The aim for the Conservatives is to steer the UK though the nastiness of the next two years with a bit of dignity before going down to a hefty (but not terminal) defeat.
Hunt has to stay to keep the markets quiet.
Not only that, but Mordaunt and Sunak should probably go and find a quiet room and toss a coin to decide who is PM and who is FS. Get the wretched thing over with.
The Poundshop Churchill and the Poundshop Thatcher have both not quite turned out to be value for money.
Boris delivered Brexit, Truss delivered the abolition of the Health and Social Care Levy.
Lets have a new PM every 4 months who can deliver one thing each.
They both delivered chaos. That is something that I think it is fair for an electorate to expect not to happen in a mature democracy. Anyone that makes excuses for either is a fuckwit.
You say that as if its a bad thing.
Chaos is a part of creative destruction and allows evolution and progress.
Stagnation is not a good thing.
Tell that to the poor sods in Ukraine.
The poor sods in Ukraine would agree with me, they would rather fight chaotically for their nation and their freedom, than surrender to the stagnation of Russia.
Putin has been in power (with a puppet for part) for nearly quarter of a century, don't get much more stable than that.
Stability is vastly overrated. Stability is stagnation, if you want growth, you need instability.
If it goes to the membership it will surely be the candidate who Rishi isn't. They won't give the globalist, arch-Remainer assassin of Boris another go - that would be tantamount to admitting they were idiots for rejecting him in the first place. No one likes to look stupid (so I'm told).
Sunak campaigned for LEAVE!
I was being a little ironic. Rishi seems to have become a Remainer in the folk memories of the Tory Right.
If Sunak wins and Hunt stays as Chancellor this is going to cause uproar with many Tory members/voters.
Why? If Sunak wins he appoints his Chancellor. If you don't want that, vote for Penny.
Or resign as a member.
(The irony is, as my direct debit won't have cancelled by the time of the vote, I effectively have a free vote! PM4PM.....)
Hunt stays as Chancellor whatever happens now, surely? It’s imperative that there’s some stability in that role. Only other feasible answer would be a Sunak return.
Starmer arguing that Labour would be a stable government. I think they will be anything but when they realise what decisions they would have to make. The internal far-left vs centre-left divisions have not been resolved. They will tear themselves apart.
We're back to hypothetical chaos of a future Labour government vs the tangible, there for all to see chaos of the current actual government.
May seem counterintuitive but I think we are about to enter a couple of years of very dull politics and surprising stability.
First of all, the Tories will choose someone moderately sensible - I think either Mordaunt or Sunak fits that brief - and I expect the crazies will slowly but surely disappear from the rest of the cabinet. The Hunt and Shapps elevations point the way.
Second, everyone is now terrified of enacting any economic or tax policy that is remotely radical. We are going to see 2 years of stasis in tax, and the cuts that will inevitably be needed will be hidden ones, non-real terms increases, further cuts to local government, and a further slow bleeding of public services.
Third, Labour is now trying to get into government in waiting mode so it will be increasingly focused on developing its own policy programme. It will find it hard to get really worked up about people like Mordaunt and Hunt so the focus will be on policy - particularly the state of public services - rather than personalities. The wing nuts are going to be gone.
The one "exciting" thing we will almost certainly be witnessing or (hopefully not) participating in will be the denouement of the Ukraine war.
Of course if the membership decide to elect Braverman as PM then all bets are off, but I don't think even they are that stupid.
Did you see the poll of Tory members which still said a third would back her?
Starmer arguing that Labour would be a stable government. I think they will be anything but when they realise what decisions they would have to make. The internal far-left vs centre-left divisions have not been resolved. They will tear themselves apart.
Well thank **** the Conservatives have got their act together or we'd be up S*** Street.
If it goes to the membership it will surely be the candidate who Rishi isn't. They won't give the globalist, arch-Remainer assassin of Boris another go - that would be tantamount to admitting they were idiots for rejecting him in the first place. No one likes to look stupid (so I'm told).
Backing the "anyone but Rishi" candidate worked so well last time.
How many times does he get to say "I bloody well told you. Nobody ever listens to me...!"
You'd think with ex(?)-LD Truss having crashed the party, any contenders would steer clear of yellow in their campaign materials.
(And what is it with highlighting the full stops?)
It's a fake account.
Ah, d'oh! Still, looking through it reads as a genuine attempt by someone/group to promote her. Either that or the humour is so dry it's positively Saharan.
If it goes to the membership it will surely be the candidate who Rishi isn't. They won't give the globalist, arch-Remainer assassin of Boris another go - that would be tantamount to admitting they were idiots for rejecting him in the first place. No one likes to look stupid (so I'm told).
Sunak campaigned for LEAVE!
I was being a little ironic. Rishi seems to have become a Remainer in the folk memories of the Tory Right.
If it goes to the membership it will surely be the candidate who Rishi isn't. They won't give the globalist, arch-Remainer assassin of Boris another go - that would be tantamount to admitting they were idiots for rejecting him in the first place. No one likes to look stupid (so I'm told).
Backing the "anyone but Rishi" candidate worked so well last time.
How many times does he get to say "I bloody well told you. Nobody ever listens to me...!"
Starmer arguing that Labour would be a stable government. I think they will be anything but when they realise what decisions they would have to make. The internal far-left vs centre-left divisions have not been resolved. They will tear themselves apart.
We're back to hypothetical chaos of a future Labour government vs the tangible, there for all to see chaos of the current actual government.
I think I agree on the general point - that people are projecting on Starmer that he is safe pair of hands etc. it is entirely possible that he is another car crash.
Irrelevant for politics and betting - the reality is that all he has to do is *nothing* until the next election.
If it goes to the membership it will surely be the candidate who Rishi isn't. They won't give the globalist, arch-Remainer assassin of Boris another go - that would be tantamount to admitting they were idiots for rejecting him in the first place. No one likes to look stupid (so I'm told).
Sunak campaigned for LEAVE!
I was being a little ironic. Rishi seems to have become a Remainer in the folk memories of the Tory Right.
It is because they are just so fucking thick. It was like they overlooked that Truss was an ex-LD remainer, or that Boris Johnson would have said he believed in nationalising the commanding heights of the economy if it delivered either his ambition to be PM or perhaps a BJ from his latest strumpet.
If Sunak wins and Hunt stays as Chancellor this is going to cause uproar with many Tory members/voters.
Why? If Sunak wins he appoints his Chancellor. If you don't want that, vote for Penny.
Or resign as a member.
(The irony is, as my direct debit won't have cancelled by the time of the vote, I effectively have a free vote! PM4PM.....)
If Hunt wants to stay as chancellor is that implicit support for PM 4 PM as she'd probably let him call the shots there? And Rishi would want to run no 10 and no 11.
I know Truss has been sh!t and May not a great success, but it would be mildly amusing if there was a fourth Tory woman PM, before any Labour woman gets the gig,,,
It'll either be another woman or a person of colour (or both!)
It'll be another worthless venal shitbag too, but them's the breaks.
The Poundshop Churchill and the Poundshop Thatcher have both not quite turned out to be value for money.
Boris delivered Brexit, Truss delivered the abolition of the Health and Social Care Levy.
Lets have a new PM every 4 months who can deliver one thing each.
They both delivered chaos. That is something that I think it is fair for an electorate to expect not to happen in a mature democracy. Anyone that makes excuses for either is a fuckwit.
You say that as if its a bad thing.
Chaos is a part of creative destruction and allows evolution and progress.
Stagnation is not a good thing.
Tell that to the poor sods in Ukraine.
The trouble with evolution is that, whilst it leads to progress for the species, it's pretty rubbish for most of the individuals in that species, because they die prematurely. (They have to, or there's no selection pressure.) And the rate of death continues even as the species becomes better adapted- it's just that the margins of success and failure become ever more random and trivial.
Not just skeletons all the way down, but skeletons to the left and right as far as the eye can see.
The return of Boris but with Hunt as Chancellor and Mordaunt as Foreign Secretary?
Hunt would resign. I hope this is not wishful thinking, but Johnson is not going to return. The MPs know how much he has lied, and they know that like Trump, it will all eventually be revealed.
FFS. Mordaunt or Badenoch. Are the Tories actually incapable of finding normally competent leaders, who can cobble together a somewhat coherent policy?
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I like the story that a friend of Winchilsea pointed out that
- if he killed Wellington would be the most reviled an in the country. Emancipation would pass without opposition. He would be lucky not to he hung
- if Wellington killed him, no one would give a shit. Emancipation would pass almost without opposition.
- if neither of them died, Emancipation would pass anyway, because Winchilsea was in the wrong and had made himself look like an idiot.
An American friend emails to say ‘At least your political parties can get rid of their embarrassments quickly.’ Glad there’s something we can still do well …
https://twitter.com/robinlustig/status/1583086959760535560
https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1583085523731480578
These rules can be changed...
Sadly!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2022/oct/20/uk-politics-live-liz-truss-tories-turmoil-suella-braverman-resigns-fracking
Having nonsense like 'Only X can win' just helps write Labour's attack ads for them, not that they need any assistance with such sloganeering.
Job is to unite the party. You can't do that while attacking opponents in a way that's very helpful for other parties.
Second: 2
Third: 3
Fourth: 4
Fifth*: 2 and soon to be 3
* started a couple of months ago.
Maybe Brady didn't want to say it would be MPs only until agreed by both 1922 Committee and Party Board?
It could be MPs only and then members or Board rubber stamp later.
Wellington was *not* in favour of Catholic emancipation, he just preferred it given the choice of that or civil war in Ireland.
Chaos is a part of creative destruction and allows evolution and progress.
Stagnation is not a good thing.
Maybe leak re likely rules?
Boris, Braverman. Badenoch
There's so many ways this could go very very wrong.
If it's not Penny or Rishi, then they're doomed.
https://twitter.com/TheOceanCleanup/status/1582733541112094722
(And what is it with highlighting the full stops?)
Wellington was actually canvassing for votes in parliament and the Lords to get it passed, not merely standing by.
Lay them.
Or resign as a member.
(The irony is, as my direct debit won't have cancelled by the time of the vote, I effectively have a free vote! PM4PM.....)
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1583087216124776449?s=20&t=c4ROzzMxWyP_kDVLqpNv4w
Do I need help ?
First of all, the Tories will choose someone moderately sensible - I think either Mordaunt or Sunak fits that brief - and I expect the crazies will slowly but surely disappear from the rest of the cabinet. The Hunt and Shapps elevations point the way.
Second, everyone is now terrified of enacting any economic or tax policy that is remotely radical. We are going to see 2 years of stasis in tax, and the cuts that will inevitably be needed will be hidden ones, non-real terms increases, further cuts to local government, and a further slow bleeding of public services.
Third, Labour is now trying to get into government in waiting mode so it will be increasingly focused on developing its own policy programme. It will find it hard to get really worked up about people like Mordaunt and Hunt so the focus will be on policy - particularly the state of public services - rather than personalities. The wing nuts are going to be gone.
The one "exciting" thing we will almost certainly be witnessing or (hopefully not) participating in will be the denouement of the Ukraine war.
Of course if the membership decide to elect Braverman as PM then all bets are off, but I don't think even they are that stupid.
We're not quite in the Italian scenario of a crashed government being replaced by faceless technocrats, but the last six weeks have left us pretty close. The aim for the Conservatives is to steer the UK though the nastiness of the next two years with a bit of dignity before going down to a hefty (but not terminal) defeat.
Hunt has to stay to keep the markets quiet.
Not only that, but Mordaunt and Sunak should probably go and find a quiet room and toss a coin to decide who is PM and who is FS. Get the wretched thing over with.
Putin has been in power (with a puppet for part) for nearly quarter of a century, don't get much more stable than that.
Stability is vastly overrated. Stability is stagnation, if you want growth, you need instability.
You have shares in popcorn companies -> You're sane
Otherwise -> Seek help
Wrong result for the country but there is a logic to it.
Which tax rises?
Which spending cuts?
The Tory geriatric members get to decide.
How many times does he get to say "I bloody well told you. Nobody ever listens to me...!"
Sunak should accept he made a mistake on that and not bring it back. If he does, then I'll vote for Starmer.
Irrelevant for politics and betting - the reality is that all he has to do is *nothing* until the next election.
I am not voting tory again till the rules are changed, even for a party leader I like, because you don't know what you will get.
I'm told that Boris Johnson is expected to stand in the Tory leadership contest
He's taking soundings but is said to believe it is a matter of national interest
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/liz-truss-latest-news-resign-tory-mp-westminster-follow-live-gf7g23fxm
Not just skeletons all the way down, but skeletons to the left and right as far as the eye can see.
When that is his major cheerleader then, yes, you need help.