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  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281
    Driver said:

    Driver said:

    ping said:

    Boris resolves the inevitable democratic mandate problem….

    Which would be offset by having someone returned to office who was demonstrated to be fundamentally dishonest and unfit for high office and was removed from office because of it. It would be ludicrous.
    He would have the chutzpah to call an immediate general election when Labour clearly aren't ready for it. Not sure any of the others would.
    What a naive post. a) He wouldn't b) Labour would be ready, so bring it on.
    Manifesto ready for printing, is it? All candidates in place and sufficient funds to run a campaign?
    They managed ok when May called a snap election in 2017.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,851
    Pulpstar said:

    Calgie
    @christiancalgie
    ·
    1m
    Tory MP: "We're fucked", "Boris turned around once and can do it again"
    https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1583094040530018304

    God help us.


    It's happening isn't it :D
    No.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,842
    kinabalu said:

    Betting alert!

    Free money available on Boris Johnson.

    Should be 33. Trading at 5.

    Hunt is free money, Boris ain't.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,758
    Driver said:

    nico679 said:

    The Tories are insane if they even think of backing Johnson . The 1922 need to stop this nonsense and not allow the membership a vote .

    They. Can't.

    Jesus, how many more times?
    They could say that no candidate who gets under 45% of the vote will go forward to the membership.

    That means if there's a big gap to the leading candidate - which I think there would be - he (he) will be elected.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,043
    Catching up. I just cannot believe what I am reading.

    They are really going to let the membership decide again?

    Jeez.

    We need a GE now.

    Enough.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,789

    The tories may as well call a general election is Johnson stands again. Would make a mockery of the whole system

    He's the one person for whom that argument would be the weakest given that he won the majority in the first place.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,959

    This is such a soap opera.

    Boris Johnson, looking remarkably like a young Patrick Duffy, steps out of the shower and it transpires the last year was all just a bad dream. FFS!

    But he is still a liar - even a months-long shower can't scrub that off.....
  • pingping Posts: 3,724

    Someone do a welfare check on Sir Keir Starmer.

    If it is Boris, he might just die laughing at his own good fortune.

    I don’t know the thinking in labour circles, but really Boris is the tories most formidable opponent.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    moonshine said:

    Pulpstar said:

    No laughing at the back but Boris probably holds the most seats for Tory MPs.

    I suspect this is right, if he’s chastened enough to build a more cohesive cabinet.
    And, you know, have some sort of coherence and enable some deliverable, tangible improvements to the country.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,587

    Someone do a welfare check on Sir Keir Starmer.

    If it is Boris, he might just die laughing at his own good fortune.

    Lord HY for Home Secretary?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 5,785
    HASTA LA VISTA, BABY
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,789

    Boris with a chastened and disciplined party could be the Goldilocks scenario for the Tories.

    LOL. Boris Johnson chastened and disciplined. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
    I said the party, not him. They'd be much less likely to undermine him having been through the experience of the last two months.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 7,981
    I go out for an hour and it all happens :D

    Boris back again? OK by me. The attack lines write themselves.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,575
    .
    Scott_xP said:

    EXCLUSIVE:

    I'm told that Boris Johnson is expected to stand in the Tory leadership contest

    He's taking soundings but is said to believe it is a matter of national interest

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/liz-truss-latest-news-resign-tory-mp-westminster-follow-live-gf7g23fxm

    Effing idiot.
    (Boris, not you.)
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,704
    If Boris is serious then Penny and Rishi need to come as a unity combo.
  • Boris! We know it makes sense!
  • Pulpstar said:

    Calgie
    @christiancalgie
    ·
    1m
    Tory MP: "We're fucked", "Boris turned around once and can do it again"
    https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1583094040530018304

    God help us.


    It's happening isn't it :D
    Politics is a soap opera, but no soap opera ever brings a character back from the dead do they ...
    Harold Bishop off of Neighbours?
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,226
    Wearing my prediction hat, we might have a new PM earlier than Friday. The “Boris returning” rumour might well be designed to force the others to figure out who’s taking the crown and have it done by the end of the weekend. Boris can keep quiet and then say “not interested in returning”. Lay Boris.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,841
    Boris about to make the greatest comeback since Bob Marshall Andrews during the 2005 count
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,414
    Boris? Chastened? Don’t make me laugh.

    That way lies utter ruin. If they’re foolish enough to go for it then good luck to them, but I will never, ever vote for the Tory Party again.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,851

    Alistair said:

    ping said:

    Boris in to 7/1

    Laying that
    I've laid beneath 6s

    I don't think he'd make the final two now
    Me too. Big stress free lay.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 4,339

    Boris with a chastened and disciplined party could be the Goldilocks scenario for the Tories.

    LOL. Boris Johnson chastened and disciplined. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
    I said the party, not him. They'd be much less likely to undermine him having been through the experience of the last two months.
    Yes. People are massively underestimating the ability of the Tory Party MPs to be unite now to save their skins.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,019

    If Boris is serious then Penny and Rishi need to come as a unity combo.

    That won't work as he'll then come second and go to the members anyway, and win.

    For Boris to be stopped the MPs need to block him.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,758
    Driver said:
    Sadly doesn't change much, given she isn't in the country and seems most unlikely to come to it for sentencing.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,454
    edited October 2022
    On Boris - assume he wants it:

    He is probably 3rd on the MP list behind Sunak and Mordaunt (we dont know both want it)
    He is clear first with the members

    He retains the most seats.
    He cannot last as PM with this parliament, he is 50-100 short of a majority.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,575

    I'm in deep do-doo if Boris wins.

    You and the country.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,587
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Scott_xP said:

    EXCLUSIVE:

    I'm told that Boris Johnson is expected to stand in the Tory leadership contest

    He's taking soundings but is said to believe it is a matter of national interest

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/liz-truss-latest-news-resign-tory-mp-westminster-follow-live-gf7g23fxm

    Effing idiot.
    (Boris, not you.)
    When the **** has Boris ever done anything in the "national interest"?
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,414
    edited October 2022

    If Boris is serious then Penny and Rishi need to come as a unity combo.

    No, they need to get about 130 guaranteed backers each and engineer it so they both make the final 2.

    If he gets into the membership vote he will win.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,522
    ydoethur said:

    Driver said:
    Sadly doesn't change much, given she isn't in the country and seems most unlikely to come to it for sentencing.
    Article suggest jail time is unlikely, so I'm not sure that matters too much.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 7,981

    Pulpstar said:

    Calgie
    @christiancalgie
    ·
    1m
    Tory MP: "We're fucked", "Boris turned around once and can do it again"
    https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1583094040530018304

    God help us.


    It's happening isn't it :D
    Politics is a soap opera, but no soap opera ever brings a character back from the dead do they ...
    Harold Bishop off of Neighbours?
    Bobby Ewing?
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,522

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Scott_xP said:

    EXCLUSIVE:

    I'm told that Boris Johnson is expected to stand in the Tory leadership contest

    He's taking soundings but is said to believe it is a matter of national interest

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/liz-truss-latest-news-resign-tory-mp-westminster-follow-live-gf7g23fxm

    Effing idiot.
    (Boris, not you.)
    When the **** has Boris ever done anything in the "national interest"?
    When he beat Corbyn.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 14,912

    Boris with a chastened and disciplined party could be the Goldilocks scenario for the Tories.

    LOL. Boris Johnson chastened and disciplined. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
    I said the party, not him. They'd be much less likely to undermine him having been through the experience of the last two months.
    They didn't undermine him! He undermined himself by his recklessness, incompetence and utter lack of integrity. Can you imagine his smirking face as he returns to Downing Street? The message he will take from the whole episode will be that he is invincible and untouchable. If he comes back the Tory Party is over, finished. Go ahead and do it, I can't wait.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,758
    Nigelb said:

    I'm in deep do-doo if Boris wins.

    You and the country.
    Boris Johnson, Suella Braverman, Jacob Rees-Mogg and Nadine Dorries go on a boat trip in the North Sea. The boat sinks.

    Who is saved?

    The UK.

    (Old Chinese joke, substituting those four for Mao, Liu, Lin and Deng.)
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 4,339
    Boris is chairman and lead for party morale, with dispensation to make money on the speaking circuit because he’s not a minister….? Bonds in support for the new leader and him being attached to the Government takes some of the edge off the “you have no mandate” stuff. Especially with Rishi in power, given he was a big part of the election campaign.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,789
    If Boris does make a successful comeback, he played it perfectly by staying completely out of the fray until Truss resigned.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408

    If Boris is serious then Penny and Rishi need to come as a unity combo.

    But thatd still need Brady to agree a threshold Boris cannot reach. He won't pull out even if far behind, he knows he'd win.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,851

    This is such a soap opera.

    Boris Johnson, looking remarkably like a young Patrick Duffy, steps out of the shower and it transpires the last year was all just a bad dream. FFS!

    Think I'd giggle my way to the asylum and section myself.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited October 2022
    Sounds like might again end up with 27 candidates...time for Rehman Chishti ;-)
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,841
    Boris to declare, be stitched out of it and lead the breakaway of the spartans to a new Faragist/Johnson/Cruddas et al backed party?
    I can see that
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,540
    The King spoke to Liz Truss on the phone, when she informed him she is resigning.

    She will have to meet Charles in person to formally tender her resignation, as is tradition.

    He held his first in-person audience with Ms Truss at Buckingham Palace on September 9


    https://twitter.com/pa/status/1583097691080257536
  • The King spoke to Liz Truss on the phone, when she informed him she is resigning.

    She will have to meet Charles in person to formally tender her resignation, as is tradition.

    He held his first in-person audience with Ms Truss at Buckingham Palace on September 9


    https://twitter.com/pa/status/1583097691080257536

    Dear oh dear.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 9,169

    Pulpstar said:

    Calgie
    @christiancalgie
    ·
    1m
    Tory MP: "We're fucked", "Boris turned around once and can do it again"
    https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1583094040530018304

    God help us.


    It's happening isn't it :D
    Politics is a soap opera, but no soap opera ever brings a character back from the dead do they ...
    Harold Bishop off of Neighbours?
    A contemporary and Antipodean alter ego of John Major.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,959

    Pulpstar said:

    I'm finding myself mentally rooting for Boris to win.

    Do I need help ?

    One word: Nadine.

    When that is his major cheerleader then, yes, you need help.
    Boris will be the first leadership candidate with an official fluffers - Nadine. Who let's be honest has a big gob
    Nadine must be worth dozens and dozens of votes.

    For the other candidates.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,575
    .
    Driver said:

    ydoethur said:

    Driver said:
    Sadly doesn't change much, given she isn't in the country and seems most unlikely to come to it for sentencing.
    Article suggest jail time is unlikely, so I'm not sure that matters too much.
    It would stop him running.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,540
    German correspondent on U.K. politics - no translation required:

    https://twitter.com/ProMediaRes1/status/1583060519908696066
  • If Boris is serious then Penny and Rishi need to come as a unity combo.

    That may not be right as, depending on clarity over the rules of the contest, the way to block Johnson may be for TWO candidates to come ahead of him among MPs. So the most unified approach may paradoxically be not to unify.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,851

    If Boris is serious then Penny and Rishi need to come as a unity combo.

    No, they need to get about 130 guaranteed backers each and engineer it so they both make the final 2.

    If he gets into the membership vote he will win.
    But there won't be a membership vote.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,789

    Boris with a chastened and disciplined party could be the Goldilocks scenario for the Tories.

    LOL. Boris Johnson chastened and disciplined. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
    I said the party, not him. They'd be much less likely to undermine him having been through the experience of the last two months.
    They didn't undermine him! He undermined himself by his recklessness, incompetence and utter lack of integrity. Can you imagine his smirking face as he returns to Downing Street? The message he will take from the whole episode will be that he is invincible and untouchable. If he comes back the Tory Party is over, finished. Go ahead and do it, I can't wait.
    Like him or not, and I know many people don't, but he wasn't out of his depth as Prime Minister. His biggest problem was that the party was divided and many of them wanted him out because they were complacent or wanted to further their own ambitions.
  • Nigelb said:

    .

    Scott_xP said:

    EXCLUSIVE:

    I'm told that Boris Johnson is expected to stand in the Tory leadership contest

    He's taking soundings but is said to believe it is a matter of national interest

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/liz-truss-latest-news-resign-tory-mp-westminster-follow-live-gf7g23fxm

    Effing idiot.
    (Boris, not you.)
    When the **** has Boris ever done anything in the "national interest"?
    Apparently "the national interest" is what he calls his penis
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,092
    edited October 2022
    removed, cannot come second
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,540

    Boris with a chastened and disciplined party could be the Goldilocks scenario for the Tories.

    LOL. Boris Johnson chastened and disciplined. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
    A triumph of hope over experience…
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,414
    kinabalu said:

    If Boris is serious then Penny and Rishi need to come as a unity combo.

    No, they need to get about 130 guaranteed backers each and engineer it so they both make the final 2.

    If he gets into the membership vote he will win.
    But there won't be a membership vote.
    Brady has said there will be hasn’t he?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408
    moonshine said:

    Wearing my prediction hat, we might have a new PM earlier than Friday. The “Boris returning” rumour might well be designed to force the others to figure out who’s taking the crown and have it done by the end of the weekend. Boris can keep quiet and then say “not interested in returning”. Lay Boris.

    The confident prediction of this week realistically needs a coronation. Maybe fear of Boris achieves that, but he might mean it so it's a risk.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,587
    Driver said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Scott_xP said:

    EXCLUSIVE:

    I'm told that Boris Johnson is expected to stand in the Tory leadership contest

    He's taking soundings but is said to believe it is a matter of national interest

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/liz-truss-latest-news-resign-tory-mp-westminster-follow-live-gf7g23fxm

    Effing idiot.
    (Boris, not you.)
    When the **** has Boris ever done anything in the "national interest"?
    When he beat Corbyn.
    Some of us are coming around to thinking a Corbyn s***show, although undoubtedly horrific, would underwhelm after the three years we've just been party too.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,575
    .
    biggles said:

    Boris is chairman and lead for party morale, with dispensation to make money on the speaking circuit because he’s not a minister….? Bonds in support for the new leader and him being attached to the Government takes some of the edge off the “you have no mandate” stuff. Especially with Rishi in power, given he was a big part of the election campaign.

    Nice piece of satire.
    Almost had me going there.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 14,772
    Pulpstar said:

    No laughing at the back but Boris probably holds the most seats for Tory MPs.

    He only just lasted three years in his first go. Would he really make it to the next general election?
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 7,981
    Can Boris actually stand? Is there not an investigation ongoing into his behaviour in Downing St?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 7,168
    moonshine said:

    Wearing my prediction hat, we might have a new PM earlier than Friday. The “Boris returning” rumour might well be designed to force the others to figure out who’s taking the crown and have it done by the end of the weekend. Boris can keep quiet and then say “not interested in returning”. Lay Boris.

    The Conservative Party is far too disorganised and disunited for any of these scenarios of a rapid resolution. We’re going to have a messy leadership campaign over many weeks. At least that’s my feel of the situation!
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850

    kinabalu said:

    If Boris is serious then Penny and Rishi need to come as a unity combo.

    No, they need to get about 130 guaranteed backers each and engineer it so they both make the final 2.

    If he gets into the membership vote he will win.
    But there won't be a membership vote.
    Brady has said there will be hasn’t he?
    He said the membership will be "consulted". Let's see what Berry says later.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 4,339

    Boris to declare, be stitched out of it and lead the breakaway of the spartans to a new Faragist/Johnson/Cruddas et al backed party?
    I can see that

    A Party with 100-150 seats and a starting position of 20% in the polls….
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,149

    Nicola Sturgeon
    @NicolaSturgeon
    ·
    Follow
    If she doesn’t mind, I’ll now just wait for whoever will become the 5th PM (so far) during my time as FM 😉

    Philip Sim
    @BBCPhilipSim
    Is Liz Truss set to leave office without ever having a formal meeting or even phone call with Nicola Sturgeon?
  • Boris to declare, be stitched out of it and lead the breakaway of the spartans to a new Faragist/Johnson/Cruddas et al backed party?
    I can see that

    There is no unity candidate:
    Johnson - a mass rebellion forced him out. That won't suddenly have swung to forgiveness
    Sunak - remainer backstabber. That he voted leave proves what a remainer backstabber he is
    Mordant - too woke
    Braverman - too mental

    Whoever wins loses. They inherit a party at war with itself, a workout majority of 0 and a poll deficit of 30 points.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,678
    AlistairM said:

    The Tory membership are this stupid.

    Boris is more popular with the membership...

    https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1583093665626353664

    Can confirm.
    My Conservative member colleague was in despair at 1.30pm.
    She's tried to resign the membership as she thought she'd be excluded.

    Then she found out she would get a vote and was a bit happier.
    Now she's found out Johnson will be standing and its all smiles in the office again.

    FFS.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,851

    Catching up. I just cannot believe what I am reading.

    They are really going to let the membership decide again?

    Jeez.

    We need a GE now.

    Enough.

    We do need a GE - but no I don't think they are going to the membership.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 7,168
    biggles said:

    Boris with a chastened and disciplined party could be the Goldilocks scenario for the Tories.

    LOL. Boris Johnson chastened and disciplined. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
    I said the party, not him. They'd be much less likely to undermine him having been through the experience of the last two months.
    Yes. People are massively underestimating the ability of the Tory Party MPs to be unite now to save their skins.
    Recent history suggests that Tory MPs are really bad at saving their skins. They’re the ones who got us here in the first place.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,851
    Pulpstar said:

    kinabalu said:

    Betting alert!

    Free money available on Boris Johnson.

    Should be 33. Trading at 5.

    Hunt is free money, Boris ain't.
    Yes he is.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 4,339

    Can Boris actually stand? Is there not an investigation ongoing into his behaviour in Downing St?

    Am investigation about his actions as an MP, which has not direct bearing on whether or not he’s PM….
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,003

    Driver said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Scott_xP said:

    EXCLUSIVE:

    I'm told that Boris Johnson is expected to stand in the Tory leadership contest

    He's taking soundings but is said to believe it is a matter of national interest

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/liz-truss-latest-news-resign-tory-mp-westminster-follow-live-gf7g23fxm

    Effing idiot.
    (Boris, not you.)
    When the **** has Boris ever done anything in the "national interest"?
    When he beat Corbyn.
    Some of us are coming around to thinking a Corbyn s***show, although undoubtedly horrific, would underwhelm after the three years we've just been party too.
    Corbyn would have completely screwed over Ukraine.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,587

    Can Boris actually stand? Is there not an investigation ongoing into his behaviour in Downing St?

    Rules don't apply when you are Boris Johnson.
  • Boris with a chastened and disciplined party could be the Goldilocks scenario for the Tories.

    LOL. Boris Johnson chastened and disciplined. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
    A triumph of hope over experience…
    Or simply delusional?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,059
    I think it is going to be Johnson. He’s the least bad option they’ve got. I’ve had a large nibble.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,959
    biggles said:

    Can Boris actually stand? Is there not an investigation ongoing into his behaviour in Downing St?

    Am investigation about his actions as an MP, which has not direct bearing on whether or not he’s PM….
    Until they find against him and he has to stand down. Again.

    And we have a contest for a new PM. Again.

    Tory leadership elections. More addictive than crack.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 15,545
    Driver said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Scott_xP said:

    EXCLUSIVE:

    I'm told that Boris Johnson is expected to stand in the Tory leadership contest

    He's taking soundings but is said to believe it is a matter of national interest

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/liz-truss-latest-news-resign-tory-mp-westminster-follow-live-gf7g23fxm

    Effing idiot.
    (Boris, not you.)
    When the **** has Boris ever done anything in the "national interest"?
    When he beat Corbyn.
    I genuinely think Corbyn, bad as he was, would have done the country a favour if he had won in 2019. We're talking relative scales of disaster.
  • Carnyx said:


    Nicola Sturgeon
    @NicolaSturgeon
    ·
    Follow
    If she doesn’t mind, I’ll now just wait for whoever will become the 5th PM (so far) during my time as FM 😉

    Philip Sim
    @BBCPhilipSim
    Is Liz Truss set to leave office without ever having a formal meeting or even phone call with Nicola Sturgeon?

    Another election pledge honoured by Truss during her Speedrun.

    She said she'd ignore Sturgeon, and seems like she'll get that Achievement for her entire Premiership.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,540
    Maximum chaos outcome is, of course, that Johnson wins, but then has to resign when the standards Committee decides he lied to the House.

    https://twitter.com/anthonyjwells/status/1583094685219753984
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,005
    Longer than Brian Clough at Leeds United?
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 4,746

    For some years I have argued that American politicians are judged too much by how well they speak, and too little by how well they listen.

    Correct me if I am wrong on this, but it appears from this great distance that Prime Minister Truss did not listen to those who could have told her that -- regardless of the merits of her policies -- it would not be possible to sell them to the public. Or, possibly, even to a majority in the House of Commons.

    If this simple analysis is bascially correct, was ths character flaw obvious before she reached the top?

    I think it may be that she was a lot better at being a background minister, following orders and keeping her head down; than she was being PM. It seems like the power just went to her head. It is a bit of a system failure as well as a personal failure, no one was keeping her in check. But the decisions to act against advice were all hers. Maybe Boris left a very dysfunctional system which had discarded a lot of the old checks and balances. But perhaps also Trump and Boris have created a world where the views of experts can be legitimately discarded by politicians. Maybe the fate of Truss will be a tale of woe to anyone tempted to go down this path in the future. You can only hope.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 11,184
    WillG said:

    Driver said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Scott_xP said:

    EXCLUSIVE:

    I'm told that Boris Johnson is expected to stand in the Tory leadership contest

    He's taking soundings but is said to believe it is a matter of national interest

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/liz-truss-latest-news-resign-tory-mp-westminster-follow-live-gf7g23fxm

    Effing idiot.
    (Boris, not you.)
    When the **** has Boris ever done anything in the "national interest"?
    When he beat Corbyn.
    Some of us are coming around to thinking a Corbyn s***show, although undoubtedly horrific, would underwhelm after the three years we've just been party too.
    Corbyn would have completely screwed over Ukraine.
    And covid with Corbyn in charge doesn't bear thinking about.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,678
    Eabhal said:

    HASTA LA VISTA, BABY

    I think 'I'LL BE BACK' is more appropriate today.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,092
    Early start for pantomime season.
    Oh yes he is! Oh no he isn't.
    Politics as you like it.
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 6,168
    edited October 2022
    kinabalu said:

    If Boris is serious then Penny and Rishi need to come as a unity combo.

    No, they need to get about 130 guaranteed backers each and engineer it so they both make the final 2.

    If he gets into the membership vote he will win.
    But there won't be a membership vote.
    As I understand the Conservative Party constitution at the moment, the MPs have to present the Party with a "choice" of candidates.

    So the MPs set the rules for Round 1, but they have to give the Party Chairman at least two names unless there is only one nomination received (as with Howard).

    However, if they give the Chairman two names and one subsequently withdraws (as with May/Leadsom in 2015) the remaining person is immediately declared elected unopposed.

    So I agree if the final two were Mordaunt and Sunak, it's likely the one who was second among MPs would withdraw and there would be no membership vote (and that they'd agree in advance that would be the approach). But if Johnson (or someone like Braverman) made the cut, they'd be less likely to play ball.
  • WillG said:

    Driver said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Scott_xP said:

    EXCLUSIVE:

    I'm told that Boris Johnson is expected to stand in the Tory leadership contest

    He's taking soundings but is said to believe it is a matter of national interest

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/liz-truss-latest-news-resign-tory-mp-westminster-follow-live-gf7g23fxm

    Effing idiot.
    (Boris, not you.)
    When the **** has Boris ever done anything in the "national interest"?
    When he beat Corbyn.
    Some of us are coming around to thinking a Corbyn s***show, although undoubtedly horrific, would underwhelm after the three years we've just been party too.
    Corbyn would have completely screwed over Ukraine.
    yeah and the UK would have been a lot safer
  • Maximum chaos outcome is, of course, that Johnson wins, but then has to resign when the standards Committee decides he lied to the House.

    https://twitter.com/anthonyjwells/status/1583094685219753984

    That sounds fun, let's do that.
  • Brandon Lewis?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,149

    Carnyx said:


    Nicola Sturgeon
    @NicolaSturgeon
    ·
    Follow
    If she doesn’t mind, I’ll now just wait for whoever will become the 5th PM (so far) during my time as FM 😉

    Philip Sim
    @BBCPhilipSim
    Is Liz Truss set to leave office without ever having a formal meeting or even phone call with Nicola Sturgeon?

    Another election pledge honoured by Truss during her Speedrun.

    She said she'd ignore Sturgeon, and seems like she'll get that Achievement for her entire Premiership.
    That's true, but only in the Delphic Oracular sense!
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,522
    FF43 said:

    Driver said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Scott_xP said:

    EXCLUSIVE:

    I'm told that Boris Johnson is expected to stand in the Tory leadership contest

    He's taking soundings but is said to believe it is a matter of national interest

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/liz-truss-latest-news-resign-tory-mp-westminster-follow-live-gf7g23fxm

    Effing idiot.
    (Boris, not you.)
    When the **** has Boris ever done anything in the "national interest"?
    When he beat Corbyn.
    I genuinely think Corbyn, bad as he was, would have done the country a favour if he had won in 2019. We're talking relative scales of disaster.
    Nope. Sure, the last six months wouldn't have been as bad, but the two years before that would have been much worse.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,933
    Mr. 43, you're absolutely wrong.

    Corbyn was a far left lunatic who marched along with portraits of Lenin and Stalin. Would you be so comfortable with a man who marched with Hitler banners?

    Everything that's happened would have been worse had we had the far left in power. The idea socialism is okie-dokie is fundamentally at odds with reality. It's no better than fascism, but it gets soft soap treatment by incompetent and historically illiterate media.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,841
    biggles said:

    Boris to declare, be stitched out of it and lead the breakaway of the spartans to a new Faragist/Johnson/Cruddas et al backed party?
    I can see that

    A Party with 100-150 seats and a starting position of 20% in the polls….
    Even if it were 20 and 10% in the polls starter pack, theyd fancy a tilt at Hartlepool, Grimsby etc, the Sunderland seats, and a crack at Cooper, Miliband, etc in the old coalfields type areas. A Tory collapse in those areas in tandem with the long term trend away from Labour is a very very toxic mix
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,005
    According to Chris Mason friends of Brandon Lewis are urging him to stand.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,575

    AlistairM said:

    The Tory membership are this stupid.

    Boris is more popular with the membership...

    https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1583093665626353664

    Can confirm.
    My Conservative member colleague was in despair at 1.30pm.
    She's tried to resign the membership as she thought she'd be excluded.

    Then she found out she would get a vote and was a bit happier.
    Now she's found out Johnson will be standing and its all smiles in the office again.

    FFS.
    Everyone in the country, looking at the Tory members.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kbTbg00AJU
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,522
    Cookie said:

    WillG said:

    Driver said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Scott_xP said:

    EXCLUSIVE:

    I'm told that Boris Johnson is expected to stand in the Tory leadership contest

    He's taking soundings but is said to believe it is a matter of national interest

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/liz-truss-latest-news-resign-tory-mp-westminster-follow-live-gf7g23fxm

    Effing idiot.
    (Boris, not you.)
    When the **** has Boris ever done anything in the "national interest"?
    When he beat Corbyn.
    Some of us are coming around to thinking a Corbyn s***show, although undoubtedly horrific, would underwhelm after the three years we've just been party too.
    Corbyn would have completely screwed over Ukraine.
    And covid with Corbyn in charge doesn't bear thinking about.
    It would probably have been pretty similar, apart from we'd have been stuck in the EU vaccine procurement programme. And he'd have closed the synagogues first.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,149
    Cookie said:

    WillG said:

    Driver said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Scott_xP said:

    EXCLUSIVE:

    I'm told that Boris Johnson is expected to stand in the Tory leadership contest

    He's taking soundings but is said to believe it is a matter of national interest

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/liz-truss-latest-news-resign-tory-mp-westminster-follow-live-gf7g23fxm

    Effing idiot.
    (Boris, not you.)
    When the **** has Boris ever done anything in the "national interest"?
    When he beat Corbyn.
    Some of us are coming around to thinking a Corbyn s***show, although undoubtedly horrific, would underwhelm after the three years we've just been party too.
    Corbyn would have completely screwed over Ukraine.
    And covid with Corbyn in charge doesn't bear thinking about.
    Wrong Corbyn.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 4,339
    WillG said:

    Driver said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Scott_xP said:

    EXCLUSIVE:

    I'm told that Boris Johnson is expected to stand in the Tory leadership contest

    He's taking soundings but is said to believe it is a matter of national interest

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/liz-truss-latest-news-resign-tory-mp-westminster-follow-live-gf7g23fxm

    Effing idiot.
    (Boris, not you.)
    When the **** has Boris ever done anything in the "national interest"?
    When he beat Corbyn.
    Some of us are coming around to thinking a Corbyn s***show, although undoubtedly horrific, would underwhelm after the three years we've just been party too.
    Corbyn would have completely screwed over Ukraine.
    Corbyn would have had the market turmoil Truss just had at the start of his Premiership, but on a larger scale. Had he clung on, things like furlough would have been undeliverable. He’d be long gone and widely hated.

    This is why the Labour left needs to be concerned about what happened to Truss. British politics is now stuck in a fiscally dry, IMF approved rut for the next ten years at least.

    Meanwhile the red wallers who voted for Brexit will feel more and more sidelined and god knows what they will vote for next.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,959

    If Boris is serious then Penny and Rishi need to come as a unity combo.

    That may not be right as, depending on clarity over the rules of the contest, the way to block Johnson may be for TWO candidates to come ahead of him among MPs. So the most unified approach may paradoxically be not to unify.
    Indeed. Penny and Rishi need to engineer 34%+ each.

    But then, they really needed to do that last time....
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,587
    WillG said:

    Driver said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Scott_xP said:

    EXCLUSIVE:

    I'm told that Boris Johnson is expected to stand in the Tory leadership contest

    He's taking soundings but is said to believe it is a matter of national interest

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/liz-truss-latest-news-resign-tory-mp-westminster-follow-live-gf7g23fxm

    Effing idiot.
    (Boris, not you.)
    When the **** has Boris ever done anything in the "national interest"?
    When he beat Corbyn.
    Some of us are coming around to thinking a Corbyn s***show, although undoubtedly horrific, would underwhelm after the three years we've just been party too.
    Corbyn would have completely screwed over Ukraine.
    Corbyn would have screwed up on absolutely everything, that is not in dispute. Would our nation be in a more chaotic state than it is today? I have my doubts.
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