Boris resolves the inevitable democratic mandate problem….
Which would be offset by having someone returned to office who was demonstrated to be fundamentally dishonest and unfit for high office and was removed from office because of it. It would be ludicrous.
He would have the chutzpah to call an immediate general election when Labour clearly aren't ready for it. Not sure any of the others would.
What a naive post. a) He wouldn't b) Labour would be ready, so bring it on.
Manifesto ready for printing, is it? All candidates in place and sufficient funds to run a campaign?
They managed ok when May called a snap election in 2017.
Wearing my prediction hat, we might have a new PM earlier than Friday. The “Boris returning” rumour might well be designed to force the others to figure out who’s taking the crown and have it done by the end of the weekend. Boris can keep quiet and then say “not interested in returning”. Lay Boris.
Boris with a chastened and disciplined party could be the Goldilocks scenario for the Tories.
LOL. Boris Johnson chastened and disciplined. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I said the party, not him. They'd be much less likely to undermine him having been through the experience of the last two months.
They didn't undermine him! He undermined himself by his recklessness, incompetence and utter lack of integrity. Can you imagine his smirking face as he returns to Downing Street? The message he will take from the whole episode will be that he is invincible and untouchable. If he comes back the Tory Party is over, finished. Go ahead and do it, I can't wait.
Boris is chairman and lead for party morale, with dispensation to make money on the speaking circuit because he’s not a minister….? Bonds in support for the new leader and him being attached to the Government takes some of the edge off the “you have no mandate” stuff. Especially with Rishi in power, given he was a big part of the election campaign.
If Boris is serious then Penny and Rishi need to come as a unity combo.
That may not be right as, depending on clarity over the rules of the contest, the way to block Johnson may be for TWO candidates to come ahead of him among MPs. So the most unified approach may paradoxically be not to unify.
Boris with a chastened and disciplined party could be the Goldilocks scenario for the Tories.
LOL. Boris Johnson chastened and disciplined. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I said the party, not him. They'd be much less likely to undermine him having been through the experience of the last two months.
They didn't undermine him! He undermined himself by his recklessness, incompetence and utter lack of integrity. Can you imagine his smirking face as he returns to Downing Street? The message he will take from the whole episode will be that he is invincible and untouchable. If he comes back the Tory Party is over, finished. Go ahead and do it, I can't wait.
Like him or not, and I know many people don't, but he wasn't out of his depth as Prime Minister. His biggest problem was that the party was divided and many of them wanted him out because they were complacent or wanted to further their own ambitions.
Wearing my prediction hat, we might have a new PM earlier than Friday. The “Boris returning” rumour might well be designed to force the others to figure out who’s taking the crown and have it done by the end of the weekend. Boris can keep quiet and then say “not interested in returning”. Lay Boris.
The confident prediction of this week realistically needs a coronation. Maybe fear of Boris achieves that, but he might mean it so it's a risk.
When the **** has Boris ever done anything in the "national interest"?
When he beat Corbyn.
Some of us are coming around to thinking a Corbyn s***show, although undoubtedly horrific, would underwhelm after the three years we've just been party too.
Boris is chairman and lead for party morale, with dispensation to make money on the speaking circuit because he’s not a minister….? Bonds in support for the new leader and him being attached to the Government takes some of the edge off the “you have no mandate” stuff. Especially with Rishi in power, given he was a big part of the election campaign.
Wearing my prediction hat, we might have a new PM earlier than Friday. The “Boris returning” rumour might well be designed to force the others to figure out who’s taking the crown and have it done by the end of the weekend. Boris can keep quiet and then say “not interested in returning”. Lay Boris.
The Conservative Party is far too disorganised and disunited for any of these scenarios of a rapid resolution. We’re going to have a messy leadership campaign over many weeks. At least that’s my feel of the situation!
Boris to declare, be stitched out of it and lead the breakaway of the spartans to a new Faragist/Johnson/Cruddas et al backed party? I can see that
There is no unity candidate: Johnson - a mass rebellion forced him out. That won't suddenly have swung to forgiveness Sunak - remainer backstabber. That he voted leave proves what a remainer backstabber he is Mordant - too woke Braverman - too mental
Whoever wins loses. They inherit a party at war with itself, a workout majority of 0 and a poll deficit of 30 points.
When the **** has Boris ever done anything in the "national interest"?
When he beat Corbyn.
Some of us are coming around to thinking a Corbyn s***show, although undoubtedly horrific, would underwhelm after the three years we've just been party too.
Corbyn would have completely screwed over Ukraine.
For some years I have argued that American politicians are judged too much by how well they speak, and too little by how well they listen.
Correct me if I am wrong on this, but it appears from this great distance that Prime Minister Truss did not listen to those who could have told her that -- regardless of the merits of her policies -- it would not be possible to sell them to the public. Or, possibly, even to a majority in the House of Commons.
If this simple analysis is bascially correct, was ths character flaw obvious before she reached the top?
I think it may be that she was a lot better at being a background minister, following orders and keeping her head down; than she was being PM. It seems like the power just went to her head. It is a bit of a system failure as well as a personal failure, no one was keeping her in check. But the decisions to act against advice were all hers. Maybe Boris left a very dysfunctional system which had discarded a lot of the old checks and balances. But perhaps also Trump and Boris have created a world where the views of experts can be legitimately discarded by politicians. Maybe the fate of Truss will be a tale of woe to anyone tempted to go down this path in the future. You can only hope.
When the **** has Boris ever done anything in the "national interest"?
When he beat Corbyn.
Some of us are coming around to thinking a Corbyn s***show, although undoubtedly horrific, would underwhelm after the three years we've just been party too.
Corbyn would have completely screwed over Ukraine.
And covid with Corbyn in charge doesn't bear thinking about.
If Boris is serious then Penny and Rishi need to come as a unity combo.
No, they need to get about 130 guaranteed backers each and engineer it so they both make the final 2.
If he gets into the membership vote he will win.
But there won't be a membership vote.
As I understand the Conservative Party constitution at the moment, the MPs have to present the Party with a "choice" of candidates.
So the MPs set the rules for Round 1, but they have to give the Party Chairman at least two names unless there is only one nomination received (as with Howard).
However, if they give the Chairman two names and one subsequently withdraws (as with May/Leadsom in 2015) the remaining person is immediately declared elected unopposed.
So I agree if the final two were Mordaunt and Sunak, it's likely the one who was second among MPs would withdraw and there would be no membership vote (and that they'd agree in advance that would be the approach). But if Johnson (or someone like Braverman) made the cut, they'd be less likely to play ball.
When the **** has Boris ever done anything in the "national interest"?
When he beat Corbyn.
Some of us are coming around to thinking a Corbyn s***show, although undoubtedly horrific, would underwhelm after the three years we've just been party too.
Corbyn would have completely screwed over Ukraine.
Corbyn was a far left lunatic who marched along with portraits of Lenin and Stalin. Would you be so comfortable with a man who marched with Hitler banners?
Everything that's happened would have been worse had we had the far left in power. The idea socialism is okie-dokie is fundamentally at odds with reality. It's no better than fascism, but it gets soft soap treatment by incompetent and historically illiterate media.
Boris to declare, be stitched out of it and lead the breakaway of the spartans to a new Faragist/Johnson/Cruddas et al backed party? I can see that
A Party with 100-150 seats and a starting position of 20% in the polls….
Even if it were 20 and 10% in the polls starter pack, theyd fancy a tilt at Hartlepool, Grimsby etc, the Sunderland seats, and a crack at Cooper, Miliband, etc in the old coalfields type areas. A Tory collapse in those areas in tandem with the long term trend away from Labour is a very very toxic mix
When the **** has Boris ever done anything in the "national interest"?
When he beat Corbyn.
Some of us are coming around to thinking a Corbyn s***show, although undoubtedly horrific, would underwhelm after the three years we've just been party too.
Corbyn would have completely screwed over Ukraine.
And covid with Corbyn in charge doesn't bear thinking about.
It would probably have been pretty similar, apart from we'd have been stuck in the EU vaccine procurement programme. And he'd have closed the synagogues first.
When the **** has Boris ever done anything in the "national interest"?
When he beat Corbyn.
Some of us are coming around to thinking a Corbyn s***show, although undoubtedly horrific, would underwhelm after the three years we've just been party too.
Corbyn would have completely screwed over Ukraine.
And covid with Corbyn in charge doesn't bear thinking about.
When the **** has Boris ever done anything in the "national interest"?
When he beat Corbyn.
Some of us are coming around to thinking a Corbyn s***show, although undoubtedly horrific, would underwhelm after the three years we've just been party too.
Corbyn would have completely screwed over Ukraine.
Corbyn would have had the market turmoil Truss just had at the start of his Premiership, but on a larger scale. Had he clung on, things like furlough would have been undeliverable. He’d be long gone and widely hated.
This is why the Labour left needs to be concerned about what happened to Truss. British politics is now stuck in a fiscally dry, IMF approved rut for the next ten years at least.
Meanwhile the red wallers who voted for Brexit will feel more and more sidelined and god knows what they will vote for next.
If Boris is serious then Penny and Rishi need to come as a unity combo.
That may not be right as, depending on clarity over the rules of the contest, the way to block Johnson may be for TWO candidates to come ahead of him among MPs. So the most unified approach may paradoxically be not to unify.
Indeed. Penny and Rishi need to engineer 34%+ each.
But then, they really needed to do that last time....
When the **** has Boris ever done anything in the "national interest"?
When he beat Corbyn.
Some of us are coming around to thinking a Corbyn s***show, although undoubtedly horrific, would underwhelm after the three years we've just been party too.
Corbyn would have completely screwed over Ukraine.
Corbyn would have screwed up on absolutely everything, that is not in dispute. Would our nation be in a more chaotic state than it is today? I have my doubts.
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That means if there's a big gap to the leading candidate - which I think there would be - he (he) will be elected.
They are really going to let the membership decide again?
Jeez.
We need a GE now.
Enough.
Boris back again? OK by me. The attack lines write themselves.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-63328168
(Boris, not you.)
That way lies utter ruin. If they’re foolish enough to go for it then good luck to them, but I will never, ever vote for the Tory Party again.
For Boris to be stopped the MPs need to block him.
He is probably 3rd on the MP list behind Sunak and Mordaunt (we dont know both want it)
He is clear first with the members
He retains the most seats.
He cannot last as PM with this parliament, he is 50-100 short of a majority.
If he gets into the membership vote he will win.
Who is saved?
The UK.
(Old Chinese joke, substituting those four for Mao, Liu, Lin and Deng.)
I can see that
She will have to meet Charles in person to formally tender her resignation, as is tradition.
He held his first in-person audience with Ms Truss at Buckingham Palace on September 9
https://twitter.com/pa/status/1583097691080257536
For the other candidates.
https://twitter.com/ProMediaRes1/status/1583060519908696066
Almost had me going there.
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If she doesn’t mind, I’ll now just wait for whoever will become the 5th PM (so far) during my time as FM 😉
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Is Liz Truss set to leave office without ever having a formal meeting or even phone call with Nicola Sturgeon?
Johnson - a mass rebellion forced him out. That won't suddenly have swung to forgiveness
Sunak - remainer backstabber. That he voted leave proves what a remainer backstabber he is
Mordant - too woke
Braverman - too mental
Whoever wins loses. They inherit a party at war with itself, a workout majority of 0 and a poll deficit of 30 points.
My Conservative member colleague was in despair at 1.30pm.
She's tried to resign the membership as she thought she'd be excluded.
Then she found out she would get a vote and was a bit happier.
Now she's found out Johnson will be standing and its all smiles in the office again.
FFS.
https://twitter.com/LadPolitics/status/1583095153459605511?t=WY_T6anI9HKH4fu_CK3z7A&s=19
And we have a contest for a new PM. Again.
Tory leadership elections. More addictive than crack.
She said she'd ignore Sturgeon, and seems like she'll get that Achievement for her entire Premiership.
https://twitter.com/anthonyjwells/status/1583094685219753984
There is no universe in which he is a better option than Sunak, Javid, Mordaunt or even Badenoch.
He might conceivably be better than Braverman, but that's it.
Oh yes he is! Oh no he isn't.
Politics as you like it.
So the MPs set the rules for Round 1, but they have to give the Party Chairman at least two names unless there is only one nomination received (as with Howard).
However, if they give the Chairman two names and one subsequently withdraws (as with May/Leadsom in 2015) the remaining person is immediately declared elected unopposed.
So I agree if the final two were Mordaunt and Sunak, it's likely the one who was second among MPs would withdraw and there would be no membership vote (and that they'd agree in advance that would be the approach). But if Johnson (or someone like Braverman) made the cut, they'd be less likely to play ball.
Corbyn was a far left lunatic who marched along with portraits of Lenin and Stalin. Would you be so comfortable with a man who marched with Hitler banners?
Everything that's happened would have been worse had we had the far left in power. The idea socialism is okie-dokie is fundamentally at odds with reality. It's no better than fascism, but it gets soft soap treatment by incompetent and historically illiterate media.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kbTbg00AJU
This is why the Labour left needs to be concerned about what happened to Truss. British politics is now stuck in a fiscally dry, IMF approved rut for the next ten years at least.
Meanwhile the red wallers who voted for Brexit will feel more and more sidelined and god knows what they will vote for next.
But then, they really needed to do that last time....