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  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    So what quiz question is George Canning now the answer to?

    Last PM to fight a duel?
  • StarryStarry Posts: 110

    An innocent question. Would it be wise of the Tories to elect a leader who was fined by the Met for breaking Covid lockdown rules? :)

    Nope. Expect this to be a central criticism. We sacrificed. You partied. Starmer would have resigned. You didn't. And that's before not paying taxes comes up!
    He has too much baggage with Boris - both for staying and leaving. Sunak could not win an election.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,772
    Whoever out of Rishi or Penny is able to demonstrate cross party support (and hopefully only one of them will run because they will be supporting the other) should get it. All about cross-party consensus and reaching out now.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,664
    BBC needs to look at Betfair.

    They are making it sound wide open when Betfair suggests it's Rishi v Penny and nobody else has any chance.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    At the moment nobody in their right mind would take the job without the secure support of virtually all main factions of the party and all willing to serve in Govt. Which means effectively the MPs have to decide amongst themselves - they can’t have another leadership contest amongst the members
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917

    I know Truss has been sh!t and May not a great success, but it would be mildly amusing if there was a fourth Tory woman PM, before any Labour woman gets the gig,,,

    It'll either be another woman or a person of colour (or both!)
    Please please not both... that would be Priti or Suella... Kemi I like but she's not ready yet.
    Kemi would be wise to stay out of this shitshow and aim far longer term. Leader of the Opposition by autumn 2024 for example.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586

    Off-topic:

    Re. the potential cable-cutting. It can be argued that one of the first acts Britain committed during World War One won the war (eventually). Within the first few weeks of the war, we cut all but one of Germany's marine cables (and we had access to that one).

    This severely hampered German international communications throughout the war, and aided our signals intelligence. Then in 1917 it allowed the infamous Zimmerman Telegram to be intercepted, which helped bring the US into the war.

    Cutting cables nowadays would not have the same effect; but it may prove absolutely awful for trade.

    Good for Elon Musk though...

    What state is OneWeb in at the moment?
    Early operational testing - service has gaps until the last satellites are launched.

    Interestingly, the missing satellites (stuck in Russia) will be launched by SpaceX. Yes, they are being launched by their direct competitor. Given the way the launch business usually works, finding a ride would have taken multiple years. Only SpaceX has the capability to do large launches at a couple of months notice.

    Reasons for the SpaceX being helpful include

    - having a competitor is actually good for them. Accusations of monopoly.
    - Launching a direct rivals service protects them against charges of being anti-competitive.. using the SpaceX price advantage only for Starlink could be viewed that way. This contract makes SpaceX legally fireproof on such charges.
    - The space industry have a history of helping rivals out. You never know when it is your turn
    - As a result of launch contract various mutual lawsuits have gone away.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639
    Carnyx said:

    So what quiz question is George Canning now the answer to?

    Which PM has a Town named after him?
    Edit: Scrub that. Apparently could be another Canning, the sources are unclear.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,774
    No more Coffey at health; one silver lining at least
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,787

    Starmer (my bold):

    The Conservative Party has shown it no longer has a mandate to govern.

    After 12 years of Tory failure, the British people deserve so much better than this revolving door of chaos. In the last few years, the Tories have set record-high taxation, trashed our institutions and created a cost-of-living crisis. Now, they have crashed the economy so badly that people are facing £500 a month extra on their mortgages. The damage they have done will take years to fix.

    Each one of these crises was made in Downing Street but paid for by the British public. Each one has left our country weaker and worse off.

    The Tories cannot respond to their latest shambles by yet again simply clicking their fingers and shuffling the people at the top without the consent of the British people. They do not have a mandate to put the country through yet another experiment; Britain is not their personal fiefdom to run how they wish.

    The British public deserve a proper say on the country’s future. They must have the chance to compare the Tories’ chaos with Labour’s plans to sort out their mess, grow the economy for working people and rebuild the country for a fairer, greener future. We must have a chance at a fresh start. We need a general election - now.

    Ah, so comparing chaos with zero.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,695
    edited October 2022

    Hunt not standing.

    Shame. Hunt or Sunak for the good of the country. Mordaunt might be ok, but is a risk. She could end up another Truss, although does have good presentation skills.

    Mad Nad is proposing Boris!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Yeah Boris would be hilarious.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,357
    VogonJ said:

    Out of the blue and into the black
    You pay for this, but they give you that
    And once you're gone, you can't come back
    When you're out of the blue and into the black.

    It's better to burn out than to fade away, Liz.
  • IanB2 said:

    No more Coffey at health; one silver lining at least

    Does that mean we won't get extra sugar in our drinks any more?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,774

    I know Truss has been sh!t and May not a great success, but it would be mildly amusing if there was a fourth Tory woman PM, before any Labour woman gets the gig,,,

    It'll either be another woman or a person of colour (or both!)
    Please please not both... that would be Priti or Suella... Kemi I like but she's not ready yet.
    Kemi would be wise to stay out of this shitshow and aim far longer term. Leader of the Opposition by autumn 2024 for example.
    The winner has to be able to work with and share an agenda with Hunt, and sell the pain that’s coming our way after Truss. That rules out the untested right wingers.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,555
    We need to figure out who is the Boris / Daily Mail preferred candidate. Could they overlook the wokeness to support Mourdant?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,637
    Only one Candidate has a Mandate

    Bring Back Boris!!
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,787
    Carnyx said:

    IanB2 said:

    BBC says online member vote is possible

    Aren't the members too old to use the interweb thingy?
    That and their computers are crawling with malware. It would come down to a hacking contest between Russia, China and North Korea.
    Any particular reason for the malware remark? Just folk not with it technically, or is there some Tory Party problem?
    Ageism.
  • DJ41DJ41 Posts: 792
    How peculiar her incompetence and craziness didn't come out during her year as foreign secretary.

    I hope her successor

    * isn't the fifth PM in a row who went to Oxford;
    * didn't go to "thick but rich" Millfield either;
    * doesn't appoint or reappoint JRM or BJ to anything.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994
    Lots of people trying to shed their Hunt.. and some trying to back him!

    I've managed to lay him some more at 44s. After he said he wasn't standing.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,638
    #francois2022
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,555

    Only one Candidate has a Mandate

    Bring Back Boris!!

    Is Boris the most effective stop Rishi candidate?
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,772
    kjh said:

    Hunt not standing.

    Shame. Hunt or Sunak for the good of the country. Mordaunt might be ok, but is a risk. She could end up another Truss, although does have good presentation skills.

    Mad Nad is proposing Boris!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Mordaunt only worth it if she can demonstrate there will be, essentially, a collective leadership with her as the front woman. Otherwise isn’t going to work.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    Is Truss hanging around for 6 weeks? That’s not remotely plausible, surely?
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    DJ41 said:

    How peculiar her incompetence and craziness didn't come out during her year as foreign secretary.

    I hope her successor

    * isn't the fifth PM in a row who went to Oxford;
    * didn't go to "thick but rich" Millfield either;
    * doesn't appoint or reappoint JRM or BJ to anything.

    Lavrov nailed her.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639
    edited October 2022
    Ishmael_Z said:

    So what quiz question is George Canning now the answer to?

    Last PM to fight a duel?
    Not at the time, so the questionmaster would be open to arguments from bar-room lawyers.

    https://www.historytoday.com/archive/months-past/castlereagh-canning-duel
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513

    Lots of people trying to shed their Hunt.. and some trying to back him!

    I've managed to lay him some more at 44s. After he said he wasn't standing.

    Possible that's just someone using the cashout facility ?
  • The Conservative Party is gone. Destroyed. Immolated.

    They need to go away and work out what they are for. It might take a long time, it might mean splitting, but this self-destructive chaos has come about because they cannot agree among themselves what their purpose is.

    Even as a lefty, I think having a centre-right, small-c conservative party is important. A party that when confronted by new ideas, says, 'Hold on, are we sure this is the right answer?'; but not, 'No, we won't accept that.' A party that can give constructive criticism, not knee-jerk opposition. A party that accepts the fundamental role of the state, not one that wants to make governance shrivel away in a libertarian firestorm.

    The Conservative Party is not that party. It needs to make up its mind if that's what it wants to be. But in opposition after a General Election, not while it's in government.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,736
    alex_ said:

    Is Truss hanging around for 6 weeks? That’s not remotely plausible, surely?

    She said the leadership election would be completed within the next week.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,585
    IanB2 said:

    I know Truss has been sh!t and May not a great success, but it would be mildly amusing if there was a fourth Tory woman PM, before any Labour woman gets the gig,,,

    It'll either be another woman or a person of colour (or both!)
    Please please not both... that would be Priti or Suella... Kemi I like but she's not ready yet.
    Kemi would be wise to stay out of this shitshow and aim far longer term. Leader of the Opposition by autumn 2024 for example.
    The winner has to be able to work with and share an agenda with Hunt, and sell the pain that’s coming our way after Truss. That rules out the untested right wingers.
    Though Kemi was, I think, very much on the fiscal responsibility side of the debate in the last leadership election.
  • Clown on Sky saying we need to bring back Boris Johnson.

    No, don't be silly. 🤦‍♂️
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    Bristow demanding Boris. Laughable.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,767
    Good god, a MP just popped up for Boris
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,965
    Rishi Rich v Penny for your Thoughts v Heir to The Truss/Bozo

    Who fills the third slot? Patel? Braverman? Kemi? Moggster?

    Whoever wins, they should do the decent thing and call an immediate General Election.
  • AlistairM said:

    Liz Truss has a great career ahead as an after-dinner speaker in what not to do.

    She and Kim Campbell can form a club.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,357

    Any news on the state of Carrie's wallpaper for Boris' resurrection?

    Will MPs flock to his candidature?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Number of Prime Ministers by decade for me:

    First: 3
    Second: 2
    Third: 3
    Fourth: 2
    Fifth: 3
    Sixth*: 3
    *Less than half way through.

    So my sixth decade will have at least 5 unless by some miracle/catastrophe (delete as appropriate) Truss’s replacement wins GE25.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,320
    alex_ said:

    Is Truss hanging around for 6 weeks? That’s not remotely plausible, surely?

    No the new leader will be in place in a week.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,895
    Graham Brady will make a statement shortly outside the Houses of Parliament https://twitter.com/elbeetham/status/1583083629357387776/photo/1
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,586
    Driver said:

    Starmer (my bold):

    The Conservative Party has shown it no longer has a mandate to govern.

    After 12 years of Tory failure, the British people deserve so much better than this revolving door of chaos. In the last few years, the Tories have set record-high taxation, trashed our institutions and created a cost-of-living crisis. Now, they have crashed the economy so badly that people are facing £500 a month extra on their mortgages. The damage they have done will take years to fix.

    Each one of these crises was made in Downing Street but paid for by the British public. Each one has left our country weaker and worse off.

    The Tories cannot respond to their latest shambles by yet again simply clicking their fingers and shuffling the people at the top without the consent of the British people. They do not have a mandate to put the country through yet another experiment; Britain is not their personal fiefdom to run how they wish.

    The British public deserve a proper say on the country’s future. They must have the chance to compare the Tories’ chaos with Labour’s plans to sort out their mess, grow the economy for working people and rebuild the country for a fairer, greener future. We must have a chance at a fresh start. We need a general election - now.

    Ah, so comparing chaos with zero.
    The Tories are obviously not ready to face a comparison.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,357

    The Poundshop Churchill and the Poundshop Thatcher have both not quite turned out to be value for money.

    Pound-landed us is in a real mess.
  • The Poundshop Churchill and the Poundshop Thatcher have both not quite turned out to be value for money.

    Boris delivered Brexit, Truss delivered the abolition of the Health and Social Care Levy.

    Lets have a new PM every 4 months who can deliver one thing each.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    So, just had a busy hour tutoring which was - interesting - with the bad weather interrupting the signal.

    Did I miss anything?
  • The Poundshop Churchill and the Poundshop Thatcher have both not quite turned out to be value for money.

    The do say "Buy cheap, buy twice".
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190

    MPs vote. They need a unity candidate so make it 80% to win. For every 10 minutes that pass without a decision, one MP chosen at random loses their seat.

    Sunak will need to a deal with Mordaunt (and it'll need to be a very good one) and Braverman to coronate.

    I imagine that's what is going on right now.

    Wallace won't stand.
    If Braverman does not win she should be kept as far as she possibly can be from any cabinet.
    If she does win, what a Cabinet that will be.... Cabinet Of All The Talentless.

    I'll get my COATT.

    Well you'll be OK, you live near enough to a ferry port and can be on the first boat out. The drawbridge might already have gone up by the time I reach Plymouth!

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639

    The Poundshop Churchill and the Poundshop Thatcher have both not quite turned out to be value for money.

    Vide the Vimes Theorem.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,637
    Jonathan said:

    Only one Candidate has a Mandate

    Bring Back Boris!!

    Is Boris the most effective stop Rishi candidate?
    A wall higher than 24 inches would be the most effective way to stop Rishi
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    Ishmael_Z said:

    So what quiz question is George Canning now the answer to?

    Last PM to fight a duel?
    Wellington fought a duel with the Earl of Winchilsea in 1829, while PM.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,767
    No No No...not Boris
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994
    The Boris rampers create a great betting opportunity 👍
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,357

    Rishi Rich v Penny for your Thoughts v Heir to The Truss/Bozo

    Who fills the third slot? Patel? Braverman? Kemi? Moggster?

    Whoever wins, they should do the decent thing and call an immediate General Election.

    There won't be an early election. Next summer earliest. Still say they will go long.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    I can see white smoke rising from a neighbour's house.

    Either they know something I don't, or they're feeling cold and have put the heating on.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    Brady saying members will be consulted!!!!!
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    ydoethur said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    So what quiz question is George Canning now the answer to?

    Last PM to fight a duel?
    Wellington fought a duel with the Earl of Winchilsea in 1829, while PM.
    Penultimate. Bloody autocorrect.
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,861
    Going to the members! Insane!
  • Any news on the state of Carrie's wallpaper for Boris' resurrection?

    Will MPs flock to his candidature?
    They only did last time because they knew he had the backing of the crazy membership. My little bit of insider knowledge tells me he is still almost universally hated.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190

    The Poundshop Churchill and the Poundshop Thatcher have both not quite turned out to be value for money.

    Don't forget to be a fully paid up Poundland Churchill a second bite of the Prime Ministerial cherry is a requirement.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,767
    WTF Brady is saying that the membership gets to vote???
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154

    Brady saying members will be consulted!!!!!

    I will consult members for him.

    'Are you all total fucking cretins? Why on earth did you vote for this?'
  • The Poundshop Churchill and the Poundshop Thatcher have both not quite turned out to be value for money.

    Don't forget to be a fully paid up Poundland Churchill a second bite of the Prime Ministerial cherry is a requirement.
    God help us
  • If you are one of the Tory MPs bullied yesterday to vote for fracking against both your own manifesto pledge and against your angry constituents wishes how would you be feeling this afternoon...?

    Liz Truss's last parting gift . . . to the Labour Party.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    stjohn said:

    Going to the members! Insane!

    There may be some sane ones too, to be fair.

    Oh sorry, you mean his actions not their mental capacity?
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,767
    Jesus Christ.. They need a coronation after the MPs vote
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited October 2022
    Opinions may differ:

    This is make or break time.

    We need to get our act together, deliver for the country and win the next General Election.

    #pm4pm




    Bad targeting - why put a message for MPs on Twitter?


    https://twitter.com/pennymordauntpm/status/1583077277079740418
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190

    Any news on the state of Carrie's wallpaper for Boris' resurrection?

    Will MPs flock to his candidature?
    If it's already gone, we'll need to stump up a Lytle more cash to reinstate it.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    Looks like it'll be the old fashioned stitch up: say it will be open to the members, but end up with only one candidate, thus making the vote moot.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,772
    edited October 2022
    Membership vote. Good god
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,861
    Penny now Betfair favourite. Insane!
  • I’m so smug right now.
  • Over by Friday next week. Interesting that couldn't be done in the Summer.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    Penny in to evens
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    Def going to members. Penny almost fav now.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,736

    Looks like it'll be the old fashioned stitch up: say it will be open to the members, but end up with only one candidate, thus making the vote moot.

    So did Truss let the cat out of the bag when she said it would be completed within the next week?

    Or was she just determined to get things 100% wrong to the last second of her premiership?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190

    Opinions may differ:

    This is make or break time.

    We need to get our act together, deliver for the country and win the next General Election.

    #pm4pm


    https://twitter.com/pennymordauntpm/status/1583077277079740418

    They've crashed the country and the priority is another Conservative election win?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,700
    I wonder if Sunak would now do better with members than people think.
  • AlistairMAlistairM Posts: 2,005

    kjh said:

    Hunt not standing.

    Shame. Hunt or Sunak for the good of the country. Mordaunt might be ok, but is a risk. She could end up another Truss, although does have good presentation skills.

    Mad Nad is proposing Boris!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Mordaunt only worth it if she can demonstrate there will be, essentially, a collective leadership with her as the front woman. Otherwise isn’t going to work.
    What? Like a cabinet government? Whoever heard of that.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,167
    edited October 2022
    "Ian Dunt
    @IanDunt

    Graham Brady saying that they're going to have the party membership vote on who the next prime minister is. For f*** sake.

    2:17 PM · Oct 20, 2022"

    https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1583085121170644992
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,555
    If Boris stands, he wins. Correct?
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,772

    I wonder if Sunak would now do better with members than people think.

    I think so. My first thought was “oh it’s Penny’s then” but I actually think there’ll be a strong “I told you so” vote.
  • Congratulations to Liz Truss for completing the fastest ever speedrun of a Premiership.

    A record nobody on Twitch would ever be able to beat.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,892
    Are we all writing Boris off ?
    He's got a constituency amongst MPs....
    And if he gets to the membership......
    It's not a risk I'm taking when I can cover at 30s given how I've called this one so far anyway
  • Carnyx said:

    The Poundshop Churchill and the Poundshop Thatcher have both not quite turned out to be value for money.

    Vide the Vimes Theorem.
    Interesting thought. You could argue that populism appeals to lower socio-economic groups, and this is how the working classes are robbed.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,167
    edited October 2022
    So it's Mordaunt or Sunak, coronation-wise?
  • AlistairMAlistairM Posts: 2,005

    Opinions may differ:

    This is make or break time.

    We need to get our act together, deliver for the country and win the next General Election.

    #pm4pm




    Bad targeting - why put a message for MPs on Twitter?


    https://twitter.com/pennymordauntpm/status/1583077277079740418

    They can run the campaign quickly as they already have all the campaign material printed from last time.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    Presumably it wil be an online vote, if members do indeed get a vote and the target is indeed a week-long contest.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,787
    .

    Jesus Christ.. They need a coronation after the MPs vote

    Except for the slight difficulty that they can't.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,637
    Parody Prime Minister
    @Parody_PM
    ·
    1h
    I can smell toast. Pretty sure it's me.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,113

    I wonder if Sunak would now do better with members than people think.

    I think so. My first thought was “oh it’s Penny’s then” but I actually think there’ll be a strong “I told you so” vote.
    If it's Sunak vs Mordaunt I couldn't call which way the membership would go.
  • so MPs have to keep a nutter off the ballot
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,767
    I can't see how they get a membership vote in a week. Too many of the blue rinse brigade wouldn't be able to get this set up and done.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,113
    Jonathan said:

    If Boris stands, he wins. Correct?

    Possibly. Not sure.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,664
    What proportion of Con members have registered email addresses with the Party?

    If over say 90% then can do online ballot. But if it's under say 80% then surely they can't?
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518

    Brady saying members will be consulted!!!!!

    “Consulted”, or get a vote? Hague “consulted” them after he was already elected leader.

    They could consult them about the leadership but have somebody else as PM.
  • ping said:

    Penny in to evens

    Sky just said that Sunak is the "overwhelming favourite at the bookmakers".

    Do they even check these things before they open their mouths? 🤦‍♂️
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,892
    Maybe Brady told Truss to hang on, but she said Sod this I'm off.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    ydoethur said:

    I can see white smoke rising from a neighbour's house.

    Either they know something I don't, or they're feeling cold and have put the heating on.

    Keep an eye on them. If you don't want to be looking over your shoulder all the time put up a conclave mirror.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,892
    Pulpstar said:

    Maybe Brady told Truss to hang on, but she said Sod this I'm off.

    Till the 22 had changed the rules
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,570

    Number of Prime Ministers by decade for me:

    First: 3
    Second: 2
    Third: 3
    Fourth: 2
    Fifth: 3
    Sixth*: 3
    *Less than half way through.

    So my sixth decade will have at least 5 unless by some miracle/catastrophe (delete as appropriate) Truss’s replacement wins GE25.

    First: 4
    Second: 2
    Third: 1
    Fourth: 2
    Fifth*: 5

    * ending in a couple of months
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