An innocent question. Would it be wise of the Tories to elect a leader who was fined by the Met for breaking Covid lockdown rules?
Nope. Expect this to be a central criticism. We sacrificed. You partied. Starmer would have resigned. You didn't. And that's before not paying taxes comes up! He has too much baggage with Boris - both for staying and leaving. Sunak could not win an election.
Whoever out of Rishi or Penny is able to demonstrate cross party support (and hopefully only one of them will run because they will be supporting the other) should get it. All about cross-party consensus and reaching out now.
At the moment nobody in their right mind would take the job without the secure support of virtually all main factions of the party and all willing to serve in Govt. Which means effectively the MPs have to decide amongst themselves - they can’t have another leadership contest amongst the members
I know Truss has been sh!t and May not a great success, but it would be mildly amusing if there was a fourth Tory woman PM, before any Labour woman gets the gig,,,
It'll either be another woman or a person of colour (or both!)
Please please not both... that would be Priti or Suella... Kemi I like but she's not ready yet.
Kemi would be wise to stay out of this shitshow and aim far longer term. Leader of the Opposition by autumn 2024 for example.
Re. the potential cable-cutting. It can be argued that one of the first acts Britain committed during World War One won the war (eventually). Within the first few weeks of the war, we cut all but one of Germany's marine cables (and we had access to that one).
This severely hampered German international communications throughout the war, and aided our signals intelligence. Then in 1917 it allowed the infamous Zimmerman Telegram to be intercepted, which helped bring the US into the war.
Cutting cables nowadays would not have the same effect; but it may prove absolutely awful for trade.
Good for Elon Musk though...
What state is OneWeb in at the moment?
Early operational testing - service has gaps until the last satellites are launched.
Interestingly, the missing satellites (stuck in Russia) will be launched by SpaceX. Yes, they are being launched by their direct competitor. Given the way the launch business usually works, finding a ride would have taken multiple years. Only SpaceX has the capability to do large launches at a couple of months notice.
Reasons for the SpaceX being helpful include
- having a competitor is actually good for them. Accusations of monopoly. - Launching a direct rivals service protects them against charges of being anti-competitive.. using the SpaceX price advantage only for Starlink could be viewed that way. This contract makes SpaceX legally fireproof on such charges. - The space industry have a history of helping rivals out. You never know when it is your turn - As a result of launch contract various mutual lawsuits have gone away.
The Conservative Party has shown it no longer has a mandate to govern.
After 12 years of Tory failure, the British people deserve so much better than this revolving door of chaos. In the last few years, the Tories have set record-high taxation, trashed our institutions and created a cost-of-living crisis. Now, they have crashed the economy so badly that people are facing £500 a month extra on their mortgages. The damage they have done will take years to fix.
Each one of these crises was made in Downing Street but paid for by the British public. Each one has left our country weaker and worse off.
The Tories cannot respond to their latest shambles by yet again simply clicking their fingers and shuffling the people at the top without the consent of the British people. They do not have a mandate to put the country through yet another experiment; Britain is not their personal fiefdom to run how they wish.
The British public deserve a proper say on the country’s future. They must have the chance to compare the Tories’ chaos with Labour’s plans to sort out their mess, grow the economy for working people and rebuild the country for a fairer, greener future. We must have a chance at a fresh start. We need a general election - now.
Shame. Hunt or Sunak for the good of the country. Mordaunt might be ok, but is a risk. She could end up another Truss, although does have good presentation skills.
Out of the blue and into the black You pay for this, but they give you that And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black.
I know Truss has been sh!t and May not a great success, but it would be mildly amusing if there was a fourth Tory woman PM, before any Labour woman gets the gig,,,
It'll either be another woman or a person of colour (or both!)
Please please not both... that would be Priti or Suella... Kemi I like but she's not ready yet.
Kemi would be wise to stay out of this shitshow and aim far longer term. Leader of the Opposition by autumn 2024 for example.
The winner has to be able to work with and share an agenda with Hunt, and sell the pain that’s coming our way after Truss. That rules out the untested right wingers.
How peculiar her incompetence and craziness didn't come out during her year as foreign secretary.
I hope her successor
* isn't the fifth PM in a row who went to Oxford; * didn't go to "thick but rich" Millfield either; * doesn't appoint or reappoint JRM or BJ to anything.
Shame. Hunt or Sunak for the good of the country. Mordaunt might be ok, but is a risk. She could end up another Truss, although does have good presentation skills.
Mad Nad is proposing Boris!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mordaunt only worth it if she can demonstrate there will be, essentially, a collective leadership with her as the front woman. Otherwise isn’t going to work.
How peculiar her incompetence and craziness didn't come out during her year as foreign secretary.
I hope her successor
* isn't the fifth PM in a row who went to Oxford; * didn't go to "thick but rich" Millfield either; * doesn't appoint or reappoint JRM or BJ to anything.
The Conservative Party is gone. Destroyed. Immolated.
They need to go away and work out what they are for. It might take a long time, it might mean splitting, but this self-destructive chaos has come about because they cannot agree among themselves what their purpose is.
Even as a lefty, I think having a centre-right, small-c conservative party is important. A party that when confronted by new ideas, says, 'Hold on, are we sure this is the right answer?'; but not, 'No, we won't accept that.' A party that can give constructive criticism, not knee-jerk opposition. A party that accepts the fundamental role of the state, not one that wants to make governance shrivel away in a libertarian firestorm.
The Conservative Party is not that party. It needs to make up its mind if that's what it wants to be. But in opposition after a General Election, not while it's in government.
I know Truss has been sh!t and May not a great success, but it would be mildly amusing if there was a fourth Tory woman PM, before any Labour woman gets the gig,,,
It'll either be another woman or a person of colour (or both!)
Please please not both... that would be Priti or Suella... Kemi I like but she's not ready yet.
Kemi would be wise to stay out of this shitshow and aim far longer term. Leader of the Opposition by autumn 2024 for example.
The winner has to be able to work with and share an agenda with Hunt, and sell the pain that’s coming our way after Truss. That rules out the untested right wingers.
Though Kemi was, I think, very much on the fiscal responsibility side of the debate in the last leadership election.
The Conservative Party has shown it no longer has a mandate to govern.
After 12 years of Tory failure, the British people deserve so much better than this revolving door of chaos. In the last few years, the Tories have set record-high taxation, trashed our institutions and created a cost-of-living crisis. Now, they have crashed the economy so badly that people are facing £500 a month extra on their mortgages. The damage they have done will take years to fix.
Each one of these crises was made in Downing Street but paid for by the British public. Each one has left our country weaker and worse off.
The Tories cannot respond to their latest shambles by yet again simply clicking their fingers and shuffling the people at the top without the consent of the British people. They do not have a mandate to put the country through yet another experiment; Britain is not their personal fiefdom to run how they wish.
The British public deserve a proper say on the country’s future. They must have the chance to compare the Tories’ chaos with Labour’s plans to sort out their mess, grow the economy for working people and rebuild the country for a fairer, greener future. We must have a chance at a fresh start. We need a general election - now.
Ah, so comparing chaos with zero.
The Tories are obviously not ready to face a comparison.
MPs vote. They need a unity candidate so make it 80% to win. For every 10 minutes that pass without a decision, one MP chosen at random loses their seat.
Sunak will need to a deal with Mordaunt (and it'll need to be a very good one) and Braverman to coronate.
I imagine that's what is going on right now.
Wallace won't stand.
If Braverman does not win she should be kept as far as she possibly can be from any cabinet.
If she does win, what a Cabinet that will be.... Cabinet Of All The Talentless.
I'll get my COATT.
Well you'll be OK, you live near enough to a ferry port and can be on the first boat out. The drawbridge might already have gone up by the time I reach Plymouth!
Any news on the state of Carrie's wallpaper for Boris' resurrection?
Will MPs flock to his candidature?
They only did last time because they knew he had the backing of the crazy membership. My little bit of insider knowledge tells me he is still almost universally hated.
If you are one of the Tory MPs bullied yesterday to vote for fracking against both your own manifesto pledge and against your angry constituents wishes how would you be feeling this afternoon...?
Liz Truss's last parting gift . . . to the Labour Party.
Shame. Hunt or Sunak for the good of the country. Mordaunt might be ok, but is a risk. She could end up another Truss, although does have good presentation skills.
Mad Nad is proposing Boris!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mordaunt only worth it if she can demonstrate there will be, essentially, a collective leadership with her as the front woman. Otherwise isn’t going to work.
What? Like a cabinet government? Whoever heard of that.
Are we all writing Boris off ? He's got a constituency amongst MPs.... And if he gets to the membership...... It's not a risk I'm taking when I can cover at 30s given how I've called this one so far anyway
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He has too much baggage with Boris - both for staying and leaving. Sunak could not win an election.
They are making it sound wide open when Betfair suggests it's Rishi v Penny and nobody else has any chance.
Interestingly, the missing satellites (stuck in Russia) will be launched by SpaceX. Yes, they are being launched by their direct competitor. Given the way the launch business usually works, finding a ride would have taken multiple years. Only SpaceX has the capability to do large launches at a couple of months notice.
Reasons for the SpaceX being helpful include
- having a competitor is actually good for them. Accusations of monopoly.
- Launching a direct rivals service protects them against charges of being anti-competitive.. using the SpaceX price advantage only for Starlink could be viewed that way. This contract makes SpaceX legally fireproof on such charges.
- The space industry have a history of helping rivals out. You never know when it is your turn
- As a result of launch contract various mutual lawsuits have gone away.
Mad Nad is proposing Boris!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah Boris would be hilarious.
Bring Back Boris!!
I hope her successor
* isn't the fifth PM in a row who went to Oxford;
* didn't go to "thick but rich" Millfield either;
* doesn't appoint or reappoint JRM or BJ to anything.
I've managed to lay him some more at 44s. After he said he wasn't standing.
https://www.historytoday.com/archive/months-past/castlereagh-canning-duel
They need to go away and work out what they are for. It might take a long time, it might mean splitting, but this self-destructive chaos has come about because they cannot agree among themselves what their purpose is.
Even as a lefty, I think having a centre-right, small-c conservative party is important. A party that when confronted by new ideas, says, 'Hold on, are we sure this is the right answer?'; but not, 'No, we won't accept that.' A party that can give constructive criticism, not knee-jerk opposition. A party that accepts the fundamental role of the state, not one that wants to make governance shrivel away in a libertarian firestorm.
The Conservative Party is not that party. It needs to make up its mind if that's what it wants to be. But in opposition after a General Election, not while it's in government.
No, don't be silly. 🤦♂️
Who fills the third slot? Patel? Braverman? Kemi? Moggster?
Whoever wins, they should do the decent thing and call an immediate General Election.
First: 3
Second: 2
Third: 3
Fourth: 2
Fifth: 3
Sixth*: 3
*Less than half way through.
So my sixth decade will have at least 5 unless by some miracle/catastrophe (delete as appropriate) Truss’s replacement wins GE25.
Lets have a new PM every 4 months who can deliver one thing each.
Did I miss anything?
Either they know something I don't, or they're feeling cold and have put the heating on.
'Are you all total fucking cretins? Why on earth did you vote for this?'
Oh sorry, you mean his actions not their mental capacity?
This is make or break time.
We need to get our act together, deliver for the country and win the next General Election.
#pm4pm
Bad targeting - why put a message for MPs on Twitter?
https://twitter.com/pennymordauntpm/status/1583077277079740418
Asking for a friend
Oryx has opened a new list ...
Or was she just determined to get things 100% wrong to the last second of her premiership?
@IanDunt
Graham Brady saying that they're going to have the party membership vote on who the next prime minister is. For f*** sake.
2:17 PM · Oct 20, 2022"
https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1583085121170644992
A record nobody on Twitch would ever be able to beat.
He's got a constituency amongst MPs....
And if he gets to the membership......
It's not a risk I'm taking when I can cover at 30s given how I've called this one so far anyway
@Parody_PM
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I can smell toast. Pretty sure it's me.
If over say 90% then can do online ballot. But if it's under say 80% then surely they can't?
They could consult them about the leadership but have somebody else as PM.
Do they even check these things before they open their mouths? 🤦♂️
Second: 2
Third: 1
Fourth: 2
Fifth*: 5
* ending in a couple of months