Lack of a confidence vote makes me (beting wise) a very happy bunny.
Hat tip to whoever (Stocky) pointed out the rules would make that hard to organise within the first year.
Shame for me that Truss didn't hang on until next year, but I'm still up overall.
Could you sue her maybe?
It would feel cruel in the circumstances. Anyway, she went without forcing a confidence vote, so I'll let her off for being a quitter not a fighter.
(More seriously, I'm glad for her that she has quit. The last few days would break anyone and it was hard to watch; that it was largely self-inflicted doesn't change that.)
Really what the Tories need is a Rishi coronation with decent jobs for Mourdant and Badenoch. Braverman can be ignored after the email idiocy. Keep boring hunt at chancellor. They then have a chance of pulling together if Rishi can do something to placate the spartans
The problem with that is, if we have to have Sunak and Hunt and a continuation of the consensus policies of the last 20 years that led to the mess, we might as well have an election and get in Sir Keir and Reeves in.
I know Truss has been sh!t and May not a great success, but it would be mildly amusing if there was a fourth Tory woman PM, before any Labour woman gets the gig,,,
MPs vote. They need a unity candidate so make it 80% to win. For every 10 minutes that pass without a decision, one MP chosen at random loses their seat.
I never had an issue with Truss prior to becoming PM, no antipathy at all. I was concerned by some of those who were backing her, and therefore her support of them, but that's about it really, her competence and judgement I felt were probably soundish.
But somewhere along the way she believed her own hype, and believed external factors and even party support was not relevant to what she probably sincerely felt was the right thing to do. And that is not how real life works - you can push back against opposition, sure, but you cannot pretend it doesn't exist, or not prepare for it.
So a very embarrassing moment for her, which has also probably ruined the chances of the Tories for the next election, but an end to it was for the best. I thought she'd done enough by sackign Kwarteng to make it through to the new year, but the hits just kept coming, it was not sustainable.
I know Truss has been sh!t and May not a great success, but it would be mildly amusing if there was a fourth Tory woman PM, before any Labour woman gets the gig,,,
It'll either be another woman or a person of colour (or both!)
Lack of a confidence vote makes me (beting wise) a very happy bunny.
Hat tip to whoever (Stocky) pointed out the rules would make that hard to organise within the first year.
Shame for me that Truss didn't hang on until next year, but I'm still up overall.
Could you sue her maybe?
It would feel cruel in the circumstances. Anyway, she went without forcing a confidence vote, so I'll let her off for being a quitter not a fighter.
(More seriously, I'm glad for her that she has quit. The last few days would break anyone and it was hard to watch; that it was largely self-inflicted doesn't change that.)
I think more of her victims, to be frank. Millions of them. With hugely icnreased mortgage payments, and so on.
This is a big problem the country faces. People are not judged by their totality or competence, but by how they stand on increasingly marginal issues. As long as someone ticks the right boxes (say, on Brexit or Palestine, depending on the party), then they get (or not get) the vote.
Yesterday I said she’d be gone by the weekend. I was only out by two days
But in modern British politics you have to get your predictions accurate to the hour
True - otherwise you might be caught up in the departure of the *next* Prime Minister, as a result of popping to the Co-Op having delivered your prediction about the *current* PM.
MPs vote. They need a unity candidate so make it 80% to win. For every 10 minutes that pass without a decision, one MP chosen at random loses their seat.
Sunak will need to a deal with Mordaunt (and it'll need to be a very good one) and Braverman to coronate.
God no . They could pick Braverman if she made the last two .
Given most of the membership don't know what a computer is, I don't see how this will work. Plus the inevitable hack will almost certainly deliver a write in candidate... one Mr. V. V. Putin....
She was excellent during the Salisbury attack, and worked hard to get evidence, and limited action, against Russia. Even when Labour's leader was (ahem) less than convinced.
I was out of the country at the weekend and had the opportunity to hear some overseas discussion of UK politics. The tone was both sorrowful and concerned - much of the concern around the fact that the G7 are supposed to be pillars of stability in the world community.
What a disgrace these shower are having reduced this country to international public sorrow and private ridicule.
The best option is Mordaunt as PM and Sunak back as Chancellor, but I don't think he'd be interested in anything other than the top job. So it's either PM4PM or get Ready for Rishi, and I think either of them keeps Hunt as Chancellor (sadly).
Two unserious politicians - Johnson and Truss - crashed and burned. Not sure repeating the experiment with Mordaunt is necessarily a wise move for the Tories.
MPs vote. They need a unity candidate so make it 80% to win. For every 10 minutes that pass without a decision, one MP chosen at random loses their seat.
Something like that was how they should have done those "what sort of Brexit do we want" votes.
I know Truss has been sh!t and May not a great success, but it would be mildly amusing if there was a fourth Tory woman PM, before any Labour woman gets the gig,,,
On current trends in terms of competence and time in office, Braverman will be elected and out by Remembrance Sunday.
After Boris went, the question was - will the torys end their run of 'worst prime minister ever'? Clearly, the answer was no. Will they now end it? They could still keep it going if they elect Braverman.
MPs vote. They need a unity candidate so make it 80% to win. For every 10 minutes that pass without a decision, one MP chosen at random loses their seat.
Sunak will need to a deal with Mordaunt (and it'll need to be a very good one) and Braverman to coronate.
I imagine that's what is going on right now.
Wallace won't stand.
Sunak should stand firm. He should have seen what happened to Truss and say "I'm only doing the job on my terms". Mordaunt et al can go **** themselves.
MPs vote. They need a unity candidate so make it 80% to win. For every 10 minutes that pass without a decision, one MP chosen at random loses their seat.
I know they have some very bitter factions, but they need to all get in a room and take a long hard look at each other and say "Look, right now it doesn't matter which faction we're part of, we are all going down together unless we sort our crap out. Regardless of ideology we don't leave this room until we agree a leader, and a barebones policy platform, that we think will preserve as many seats as possible, that's it"
MPs vote. They need a unity candidate so make it 80% to win. For every 10 minutes that pass without a decision, one MP chosen at random loses their seat.
Sunak will need to a deal with Mordaunt (and it'll need to be a very good one) and Braverman to coronate.
I imagine that's what is going on right now.
Wallace won't stand.
If Braverman does not win she should be kept as far as she possibly can be from any cabinet.
MPs vote. They need a unity candidate so make it 80% to win. For every 10 minutes that pass without a decision, one MP chosen at random loses their seat.
Sunak will need to a deal with Mordaunt (and it'll need to be a very good one) and Braverman to coronate.
I imagine that's what is going on right now.
Wallace won't stand.
I think that is right, although someone Braverman adjacent might do the trick, given her own standing has been hit, if for a technical reason.
Just been told that that election should form the shape of a Papal conclave . Two days limit before white smoke. Sunak. Mordaunt. Hunt. Wallace. Threshold has to reach 75 - the the third place will be ballotted.
Not sure about the optics of this if it's done in a similar way, with the idea of nothing coming out till there is one winner.
If it does take a couple of days, yet there are no announcements of who has dropped out, it leaves quite a big space for Labour to fill, constantly hammering home that this is a new PM for all of us, and it's all being decided in secret.
I know Truss has been sh!t and May not a great success, but it would be mildly amusing if there was a fourth Tory woman PM, before any Labour woman gets the gig,,,
It'll either be another woman or a person of colour (or both!)
Please please not both... that would be Priti or Suella... Kemi I like but she's not ready yet.
The Conservative Party has shown it no longer has a mandate to govern.
After 12 years of Tory failure, the British people deserve so much better than this revolving door of chaos. In the last few years, the Tories have set record-high taxation, trashed our institutions and created a cost-of-living crisis. Now, they have crashed the economy so badly that people are facing £500 a month extra on their mortgages. The damage they have done will take years to fix.
Each one of these crises was made in Downing Street but paid for by the British public. Each one has left our country weaker and worse off.
The Tories cannot respond to their latest shambles by yet again simply clicking their fingers and shuffling the people at the top without the consent of the British people. They do not have a mandate to put the country through yet another experiment; Britain is not their personal fiefdom to run how they wish.
The British public deserve a proper say on the country’s future. They must have the chance to compare the Tories’ chaos with Labour’s plans to sort out their mess, grow the economy for working people and rebuild the country for a fairer, greener future. We must have a chance at a fresh start. We need a general election - now.
MPs vote. They need a unity candidate so make it 80% to win. For every 10 minutes that pass without a decision, one MP chosen at random loses their seat.
Sunak will need to a deal with Mordaunt (and it'll need to be a very good one) and Braverman to coronate.
I imagine that's what is going on right now.
Wallace won't stand.
I think that is right, although someone Braverman adjacent might do the trick, given her own standing has been hit, if for a technical reason.
'Coronate' annoys me more than pretty much any word in English....
The bond markets took her down - a lesson for any future pm or government
The lesson is "who pays the piper calls the tune"
A government running a balanced budget has autonomy. One relying on the kindness of strangers has not.
Given the level of debt needing to be rolled each year even a government running a surplus would have to keep the bond market sweet. I don't have a problem with this, personally The bond market wants the same thing as taxpayers do - sustainable and responsible stewardship of the public finances.
If you are one of the Tory MPs bullied yesterday to vote for fracking against both your own manifesto pledge and against your angry constituents wishes how would you be feeling this afternoon...?
Failing that, a Hunt / Mordaunt / Sunak top team (PM / Chancellor / HS). Don't particularly care who is in which role, but I think those three are the only ones at the top of the party who can settle the ship in these times.
Part of me would quite like May back; she was not as bad as many say (especially if they view events through Brexit! glasses), and it would be worth it to hear Boris's screams.
May’s certainly racing up the table - only third or fourth worst now!
At age 37 I had known 5 different prime ministers in my lifetime.
My daughter is going to do that in 8.
3 PMs so far for my daughter.
There are people out there (in my brother's academic year at school) who were turning 28 years old and still on only three PMs (Thatcher, Major, Blair). We've now done the same in four months.
MPs vote. They need a unity candidate so make it 80% to win. For every 10 minutes that pass without a decision, one MP chosen at random loses their seat.
Sunak will need to a deal with Mordaunt (and it'll need to be a very good one) and Braverman to coronate.
I imagine that's what is going on right now.
Wallace won't stand.
Sunak should stand firm. He should have seen what happened to Truss and say "I'm only doing the job on my terms". Mordaunt et al can go **** themselves.
He has, wisely, been very quiet, publicly. But he's still pretty lightweight i fear.
Does Truss get a PM's pension and lifetime security? This has been a costly experiment in so many ways. The Tory party might like to foot the bill for that at least.
I know Truss has been sh!t and May not a great success, but it would be mildly amusing if there was a fourth Tory woman PM, before any Labour woman gets the gig,,,
On current trends in terms of competence and time in office, Braverman will be elected and out by Remembrance Sunday.
I really hope that Sir Graham Brady writes an autobiography when he retires. It would be brilliant to get a view on what happened within the Conservative Party since he became 1922 leader 12 years ago.
Why don’t they bypass the membership? They could even have an election for Tory leader if there are legal issues with excluding them, but MPs could decide amongst themselves to give confidence to somebody different as PM.
Out of the blue and into the black You pay for this, but they give you that And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black.
MPs vote. They need a unity candidate so make it 80% to win. For every 10 minutes that pass without a decision, one MP chosen at random loses their seat.
Sunak will need to a deal with Mordaunt (and it'll need to be a very good one) and Braverman to coronate.
I imagine that's what is going on right now.
Wallace won't stand.
Sunak should stand firm. He should have seen what happened to Truss and say "I'm only doing the job on my terms". Mordaunt et al can go **** themselves.
So long as he doesn't reintroduce the Health and Social Care Levy.
MPs vote. They need a unity candidate so make it 80% to win. For every 10 minutes that pass without a decision, one MP chosen at random loses their seat.
Sunak will need to a deal with Mordaunt (and it'll need to be a very good one) and Braverman to coronate.
I imagine that's what is going on right now.
Wallace won't stand.
I think that is right, although someone Braverman adjacent might do the trick, given her own standing has been hit, if for a technical reason.
'Coronate' annoys me more than pretty much any word in English....
Especially used as an intransitive verb. "Sunak will need to... to coronate."
MPs vote. They need a unity candidate so make it 80% to win. For every 10 minutes that pass without a decision, one MP chosen at random loses their seat.
Sunak will need to a deal with Mordaunt (and it'll need to be a very good one) and Braverman to coronate.
I imagine that's what is going on right now.
Wallace won't stand.
Sunak should stand firm. He should have seen what happened to Truss and say "I'm only doing the job on my terms". Mordaunt et al can go **** themselves.
No no no no no. Terrible idea. If it’s Rishi he needs to reconcile himself with as many different factions as he can. He would be favourite to be PM if he runs, assuming MPs only, but he is going to have to get as many colleagues on side as he possibly can. The Tory Party can’t afford another split.
At age 37 I had known 5 different prime ministers in my lifetime.
My daughter is going to do that in 8.
3 PMs so far for my daughter.
There are people out there (in my brother's academic year at school) who were turning 28 years old and still on only three PMs (Thatcher, Major, Blair). We've now done the same in four months.
Does Truss get a PM's pension and lifetime security? This has been a costly experiment in so many ways. The Tory party might like to foot the bill for that at least.
Those Tories always whining about pensions for public servants ...
I know Truss has been sh!t and May not a great success, but it would be mildly amusing if there was a fourth Tory woman PM, before any Labour woman gets the gig,,,
On current trends in terms of competence and time in office, Braverman will be elected and out by Remembrance Sunday.
The next PM is just for Halloween, not for Christmas.
MPs vote. They need a unity candidate so make it 80% to win. For every 10 minutes that pass without a decision, one MP chosen at random loses their seat.
Sunak will need to a deal with Mordaunt (and it'll need to be a very good one) and Braverman to coronate.
I imagine that's what is going on right now.
Wallace won't stand.
If Braverman does not win she should be kept as far as she possibly can be from any cabinet.
Only need to arrange enough votes for top two and then have one or other stand aside.
At age 37 I had known 5 different prime ministers in my lifetime.
My daughter is going to do that in 8.
3 PMs so far for my daughter.
There are people out there (in my brother's academic year at school) who were turning 28 years old and still on only three PMs (Thatcher, Major, Blair). We've now done the same in four months.
MPs vote. They need a unity candidate so make it 80% to win. For every 10 minutes that pass without a decision, one MP chosen at random loses their seat.
Sunak will need to a deal with Mordaunt (and it'll need to be a very good one) and Braverman to coronate.
I imagine that's what is going on right now.
Wallace won't stand.
Sunak should stand firm. He should have seen what happened to Truss and say "I'm only doing the job on my terms". Mordaunt et al can go **** themselves.
He has, wisely, been very quiet, publicly. But he's still pretty lightweight i fear.
Out of the blue and into the black You pay for this, but they give you that And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black.
Out of the blue and into the black You pay for this, but they give you that And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black.
MPs vote. They need a unity candidate so make it 80% to win. For every 10 minutes that pass without a decision, one MP chosen at random loses their seat.
Sunak will need to a deal with Mordaunt (and it'll need to be a very good one) and Braverman to coronate.
I imagine that's what is going on right now.
Wallace won't stand.
If Braverman does not win she should be kept as far as she possibly can be from any cabinet.
If she does win, what a Cabinet that will be.... Cabinet Of All The Talentless.
MPs vote. They need a unity candidate so make it 80% to win. For every 10 minutes that pass without a decision, one MP chosen at random loses their seat.
Sunak will need to a deal with Mordaunt (and it'll need to be a very good one) and Braverman to coronate.
I imagine that's what is going on right now.
Wallace won't stand.
I think that is right, although someone Braverman adjacent might do the trick, given her own standing has been hit, if for a technical reason.
'Coronate' annoys me more than pretty much any word in English....
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(More seriously, I'm glad for her that she has quit. The last few days would break anyone and it was hard to watch; that it was largely self-inflicted doesn't change that.)
My daughter is going to do that in 8.
A government running a balanced budget has autonomy. One relying on the kindness of strangers has not.
"Liz of a thousand hours" would have been a decent title for the book.
But somewhere along the way she believed her own hype, and believed external factors and even party support was not relevant to what she probably sincerely felt was the right thing to do. And that is not how real life works - you can push back against opposition, sure, but you cannot pretend it doesn't exist, or not prepare for it.
So a very embarrassing moment for her, which has also probably ruined the chances of the Tories for the next election, but an end to it was for the best. I thought she'd done enough by sackign Kwarteng to make it through to the new year, but the hits just kept coming, it was not sustainable.
Who received their P45 after an argument over 45p after 45 days?
I imagine that's what is going on right now.
Wallace won't stand.
Plus the inevitable hack will almost certainly deliver a write in candidate... one Mr. V. V. Putin....
She was excellent during the Salisbury attack, and worked hard to get evidence, and limited action, against Russia. Even when Labour's leader was (ahem) less than convinced.
And Russia's a threat now.
Then again you thought she could surprise on the upside in the summer.
What a disgrace these shower are having reduced this country to international public sorrow and private ridicule.
After Boris went, the question was - will the torys end their run of 'worst prime minister ever'? Clearly, the answer was no. Will they now end it? They could still keep it going if they elect Braverman.
If it does take a couple of days, yet there are no announcements of who has dropped out, it leaves quite a big space for Labour to fill, constantly hammering home that this is a new PM for all of us, and it's all being decided in secret.
The Conservative Party has shown it no longer has a mandate to govern.
After 12 years of Tory failure, the British people deserve so much better than this revolving door of chaos. In the last few years, the Tories have set record-high taxation, trashed our institutions and created a cost-of-living crisis. Now, they have crashed the economy so badly that people are facing £500 a month extra on their mortgages. The damage they have done will take years to fix.
Each one of these crises was made in Downing Street but paid for by the British public. Each one has left our country weaker and worse off.
The Tories cannot respond to their latest shambles by yet again simply clicking their fingers and shuffling the people at the top without the consent of the British people. They do not have a mandate to put the country through yet another experiment; Britain is not their personal fiefdom to run how they wish.
The British public deserve a proper say on the country’s future. They must have the chance to compare the Tories’ chaos with Labour’s plans to sort out their mess, grow the economy for working people and rebuild the country for a fairer, greener future. We must have a chance at a fresh start. We need a general election - now.
Far more opportunities for political bettors to make money than, frankly, any of us expected.
Not much downside.
Thanks for axing the Health and Social Care Levy Liz. So long.
You pay for this, but they give you that
And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black.
If he does, I'm voting either Labour or Lib Dems.
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On second thoughts, I'm a quitter not a fighter.
Not that I haven't chucked away a few quid on this whole farago.
Two Ton Tess!
I'll get my COATT.