When the **** has Boris ever done anything in the "national interest"?
When he beat Corbyn.
Some of us are coming around to thinking a Corbyn s***show, although undoubtedly horrific, would underwhelm after the three years we've just been party too.
Corbyn would have completely screwed over Ukraine.
And covid with Corbyn in charge doesn't bear thinking about.
Someone has compromised. Causing death by Careless Driving is the cotton-batting offence that that dangerous drivers' lawyers negotiate down to to try and avoid a prison sentence.
the only candidate with a chance of winning the next election (or at least not massively losing it) is Boris - Logic suggests therefore the tories should pick him
“I’m very proud of the Prime Minister. She tried to provide choice for this country - the country’s just not ready for it yet” says Chief of Staff Mark Fulbrook at a swiftly-called Downing Street all-staff meeting. https://twitter.com/mikeysmith/status/1583097855564165120
The PB Tories have again reverted to this weird nostalgic fantasy they have about a bloke from north London who is no longer a Labour MP. It really is an odd affliction.
NEW: Priti Patel is likely to back Boris Johnson if he does try and get back into No 10. Two sources close to the former home secretary say she would support the ex-PM.
Off thread - this board has been kind enough to indulge me over recent months in my rantings about the 11+, which my middle daughter is going through: we've just had the results, and although she just missed out for our local grammar school, she has passed the pass mark for our second closest (which is still just over a mile away and which we are within catchment for). So all being well she will be going there. She has worked uncomplainingly and astonishingly hard to achieve this (despite the handicap of dyslexia) and I am so bloody proud of her.
The PB Tories have again reverted to this weird nostalgic fantasy they have about a bloke from north London who is no longer a Labour MP. It really is an odd affliction.
Rather like PBTories insisting on calling any independent-minded Scot a Jacobite, at the same time as accusing them of being republicans.
If Boris is serious then Penny and Rishi need to come as a unity combo.
No, they need to get about 130 guaranteed backers each and engineer it so they both make the final 2.
If he gets into the membership vote he will win.
But there won't be a membership vote.
As I understand the Conservative Party constitution at the moment, the MPs have to present the Party with a "choice" of candidates.
So the MPs set the rules for Round 1, but they have to give the Party Chairman at least two names unless there is only one nomination received (as with Howard).
However, if they give the Chairman two names and one subsequently withdraws (as with May/Leadsom in 2015) the remaining person is immediately declared elected unopposed.
So I agree if the final two were Mordaunt and Sunak, it's likely the one who was second among MPs would withdraw and there would be no membership vote (and that they'd agree in advance that would be the approach). But if Johnson (or someone like Braverman) made the cut, they'd be less likely to play ball.
This is correct. And, under Schedule 9, the constitution can't be changed in time to affect that.
I think it is going to be Johnson. He’s the least bad option they’ve got. I’ve had a large nibble.
It really is. I have been assuring my son it will be Sunak or Mordaunt, and Johnson is out of the picture. I was wrong. Poundland Churchill returns cleansed.
Boris with a chastened and disciplined party could be the Goldilocks scenario for the Tories.
LOL. Boris Johnson chastened and disciplined. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I said the party, not him. They'd be much less likely to undermine him having been through the experience of the last two months.
They didn't undermine him! He undermined himself by his recklessness, incompetence and utter lack of integrity. Can you imagine his smirking face as he returns to Downing Street? The message he will take from the whole episode will be that he is invincible and untouchable. If he comes back the Tory Party is over, finished. Go ahead and do it, I can't wait.
Like him or not, and I know many people don't, but he wasn't out of his depth as Prime Minister.
NEW: Priti Patel is likely to back Boris Johnson if he does try and get back into No 10. Two sources close to the former home secretary say she would support the ex-PM.
I don't dispute the utter, utter carnage. Maybe not Russia, but Venezuela is looking less like a failed state than the UK is at 15.27 on a Thursday afternoon.
According to Chris Mason friends of Brandon Lewis are urging him to stand.
So they’regoing to have a contest decided in a week, with the members voting and all and sundry who nobody has ever heard of is throwing their hat in the ring?
And they’ve learnt absolutely NOTHING from the last six weeks? I seriously increasingly hope they lose EVERY seat at the next election.
Boris with a chastened and disciplined party could be the Goldilocks scenario for the Tories.
LOL. Boris Johnson chastened and disciplined. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I said the party, not him. They'd be much less likely to undermine him having been through the experience of the last two months.
They didn't undermine him! He undermined himself by his recklessness, incompetence and utter lack of integrity. Can you imagine his smirking face as he returns to Downing Street? The message he will take from the whole episode will be that he is invincible and untouchable. If he comes back the Tory Party is over, finished. Go ahead and do it, I can't wait.
Like him or not, and I know many people don't, but he wasn't out of his depth as Prime Minister.
He wasn’t exactly on top of his brief, was he?
That depended on whether his brief was a busty blonde or not.
The PB Tories have again reverted to this weird nostalgic fantasy they have about a bloke from north London who is no longer a Labour MP. It really is an odd affliction.
Rather like PBTories insisting on calling any independent-minded Scot a Jacobite, at the same time as accusing them of being republicans.
I’ve not spotted that. As Tories, aren’t they supposed to be the Jacobites?
I can only think that some Tory MPs are thinking that reinstalling Johnson is the only way they can answer why they shouldn’t have another election. F*CK OFF and never come back.
The PB Tories have again reverted to this weird nostalgic fantasy they have about a bloke from north London who is no longer a Labour MP. It really is an odd affliction.
Rather like PBTories insisting on calling any independent-minded Scot a Jacobite, at the same time as accusing them of being republicans.
I’ve not spotted that. As Tories, aren’t they supposed to be the Jacobites?
Indeed, which makes it even odder. I think it's the Hanoverian = modern Establishment equation.
Boris with a chastened and disciplined party could be the Goldilocks scenario for the Tories.
LOL. Boris Johnson chastened and disciplined. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I said the party, not him. They'd be much less likely to undermine him having been through the experience of the last two months.
They didn't undermine him! He undermined himself by his recklessness, incompetence and utter lack of integrity. Can you imagine his smirking face as he returns to Downing Street? The message he will take from the whole episode will be that he is invincible and untouchable. If he comes back the Tory Party is over, finished. Go ahead and do it, I can't wait.
Like him or not, and I know many people don't, but he wasn't out of his depth as Prime Minister. His biggest problem was that the party was divided and many of them wanted him out because they were complacent or wanted to further their own ambitions.
He couldn't run a competent government. Is that not being out of his depth?
Jeremy Corbyn @jeremycorbyn The debacle of Liz Truss’ short-lived premiership is a symptom of a broken economic system and a trashed democracy.
We will continue to lurch from crisis to crisis — and ordinary people will pay the price — until we finally build a society for the many, not the few.
He almost seems proud of her for taking on the markets.
Corbyn would have maxed out the borrowing that was possible in the first few weeks.
Then Covid would have hit. And the public sector would have been fine.
The private sector on the other hand (expected to pay for all the public sector-supporting borrowing) would have been battered beyond belief. Four, five million unemployed as he had no means to fund furlough.
But he would have saved a bit on mothballing our entire defences.
Off thread - this board has been kind enough to indulge me over recent months in my rantings about the 11+, which my middle daughter is going through: we've just had the results, and although she just missed out for our local grammar school, she has passed the pass mark for our second closest (which is still just over a mile away and which we are within catchment for). So all being well she will be going there. She has worked uncomplainingly and astonishingly hard to achieve this (despite the handicap of dyslexia) and I am so bloody proud of her.
Future Prime Minister material?* With the wisdom and experience to finally ditch the 11+ for good?
*No offence meant I'm naively hoping that our future prime ministers are wise, upstanding people.
Jeremy Corbyn @jeremycorbyn The debacle of Liz Truss’ short-lived premiership is a symptom of a broken economic system and a trashed democracy.
We will continue to lurch from crisis to crisis — and ordinary people will pay the price — until we finally build a society for the many, not the few.
He almost seems proud of her for taking on the markets.
Corbyn would have maxed out the borrowing that was possible in the first few weeks.
Then Covid would have hit. And the public sector would have been fine.
The private sector on the other hand (expected to pay for all the public sector-supporting borrowing) would have been battered beyond belief. Four, five million unemployed as he had no means to fund furlough.
But he would have saved a bit on mothballing our entire defences.
Hmm. Have a look, for example, at the British Army's artillery force, tank force, air defence force ...
If Boris is serious then Penny and Rishi need to come as a unity combo.
No, they need to get about 130 guaranteed backers each and engineer it so they both make the final 2.
If he gets into the membership vote he will win.
But there won't be a membership vote.
As I understand the Conservative Party constitution at the moment, the MPs have to present the Party with a "choice" of candidates.
So the MPs set the rules for Round 1, but they have to give the Party Chairman at least two names unless there is only one nomination received (as with Howard).
However, if they give the Chairman two names and one subsequently withdraws (as with May/Leadsom in 2015) the remaining person is immediately declared elected unopposed.
So I agree if the final two were Mordaunt and Sunak, it's likely the one who was second among MPs would withdraw and there would be no membership vote (and that they'd agree in advance that would be the approach). But if Johnson (or someone like Braverman) made the cut, they'd be less likely to play ball.
Yes. What I mean is they'll find a way to not have the members voting. One way or another they will avoid that. I think this is close to certain.
Off thread - this board has been kind enough to indulge me over recent months in my rantings about the 11+, which my middle daughter is going through: we've just had the results, and although she just missed out for our local grammar school, she has passed the pass mark for our second closest (which is still just over a mile away and which we are within catchment for). So all being well she will be going there. She has worked uncomplainingly and astonishingly hard to achieve this (despite the handicap of dyslexia) and I am so bloody proud of her.
Many congrats sir. And a relief no doubt.
I'm slightly bemused that kids are still going through this. How many counties still have grammars?
Jeremy Corbyn @jeremycorbyn The debacle of Liz Truss’ short-lived premiership is a symptom of a broken economic system and a trashed democracy.
We will continue to lurch from crisis to crisis — and ordinary people will pay the price — until we finally build a society for the many, not the few.
He almost seems proud of her for taking on the markets.
Corbyn would have maxed out the borrowing that was possible in the first few weeks.
Then Covid would have hit. And the public sector would have been fine.
The private sector on the other hand (expected to pay for all the public sector-supporting borrowing) would have been battered beyond belief. Four, five million unemployed as he had no means to fund furlough.
But he would have saved a bit on mothballing our entire defences.
If Boris is serious then Penny and Rishi need to come as a unity combo.
No, they need to get about 130 guaranteed backers each and engineer it so they both make the final 2.
If he gets into the membership vote he will win.
But there won't be a membership vote.
As I understand the Conservative Party constitution at the moment, the MPs have to present the Party with a "choice" of candidates.
So the MPs set the rules for Round 1, but they have to give the Party Chairman at least two names unless there is only one nomination received (as with Howard).
However, if they give the Chairman two names and one subsequently withdraws (as with May/Leadsom in 2015) the remaining person is immediately declared elected unopposed.
So I agree if the final two were Mordaunt and Sunak, it's likely the one who was second among MPs would withdraw and there would be no membership vote (and that they'd agree in advance that would be the approach). But if Johnson (or someone like Braverman) made the cut, they'd be less likely to play ball.
Yes. What I mean is they will find a way to not have the members voting. One way or another they will avoid that. I think this is close to certain.
But how? Something that is close to certain, you should be able to envisage how it happens.
Jeremy Corbyn @jeremycorbyn The debacle of Liz Truss’ short-lived premiership is a symptom of a broken economic system and a trashed democracy.
We will continue to lurch from crisis to crisis — and ordinary people will pay the price — until we finally build a society for the many, not the few.
He almost seems proud of her for taking on the markets.
Corbyn would have maxed out the borrowing that was possible in the first few weeks.
Then Covid would have hit. And the public sector would have been fine.
The private sector on the other hand (expected to pay for all the public sector-supporting borrowing) would have been battered beyond belief. Four, five million unemployed as he had no means to fund furlough.
But he would have saved a bit on mothballing our entire defences.
But our supply of Russian oil and gas would be running like a state discounted Soviet era Lada Riva.
Jeremy Corbyn @jeremycorbyn The debacle of Liz Truss’ short-lived premiership is a symptom of a broken economic system and a trashed democracy.
We will continue to lurch from crisis to crisis — and ordinary people will pay the price — until we finally build a society for the many, not the few.
He almost seems proud of her for taking on the markets.
Corbyn would have maxed out the borrowing that was possible in the first few weeks.
Then Covid would have hit. And the public sector would have been fine.
The private sector on the other hand (expected to pay for all the public sector-supporting borrowing) would have been battered beyond belief. Four, five million unemployed as he had no means to fund furlough.
But he would have saved a bit on mothballing our entire defences.
He'd also have saved money buying Cuban vaccines.
And if Churchill was shot in the Boer war we would all be speaking German...........
Early signs are that the Conservative Party HAS NOT LEARNED A FUCKING THING from the Truss debacle.
"Hey, I'm a Tory MP - and I could make a great PM!"
No, you idiot, you couldn't. Sit down and STFU.
Rishi and Penny should jointly make it clear that any MPs who stand and don't get enough votes to go into the next round will not be asked to be a member of their new Cabinet, whichever wins. Making a lot of noise just to get a place round the Cabinet table will fail, spectacularly.
Early signs are that the Conservative Party HAS NOT LEARNED A FUCKING THING from the Truss debacle.
"Hey, I'm a Tory MP - and I could make a great PM!"
No, you idiot, you couldn't. Sit down and STFU.
Rishi and Penny should jointly make it clear that any MPs who stand and don't get enough votes to go into the next round will not be asked to be a member of their new Cabinet, whichever wins. Making a lot of noise just to get a place round the Cabinet table will fail, spectacularly.
Do we know when Brady will be announcing the rules for the contest?
Jeremy Corbyn @jeremycorbyn The debacle of Liz Truss’ short-lived premiership is a symptom of a broken economic system and a trashed democracy.
We will continue to lurch from crisis to crisis — and ordinary people will pay the price — until we finally build a society for the many, not the few.
He almost seems proud of her for taking on the markets.
Corbyn would have maxed out the borrowing that was possible in the first few weeks.
Then Covid would have hit. And the public sector would have been fine.
The private sector on the other hand (expected to pay for all the public sector-supporting borrowing) would have been battered beyond belief. Four, five million unemployed as he had no means to fund furlough.
But he would have saved a bit on mothballing our entire defences.
He'd also have saved money buying Cuban vaccines.
And if Churchill was shot in the Boer war we would all be speaking German...........
IT NEVER HAPPENED! So who cares?
OTOH the Germans might be speaking English, given how awful Churchill's military decisions were. Gallipoli, for instance.
If Boris is serious then Penny and Rishi need to come as a unity combo.
No, they need to get about 130 guaranteed backers each and engineer it so they both make the final 2.
If he gets into the membership vote he will win.
But there won't be a membership vote.
Johnson just needs to get into the final 2. If it goes to the members, he’s back. If it doesn’t go to the member, there will be ructions, with Johnson as the King over the water, and a mutiny among the membership.
the only candidate with a chance of winning the next election (or at least not massively losing it) is Boris - Logic suggests therefore the tories should pick him
The idea that the succession to someone who was politically and intellectually useless is someone who is clearly morally toxic and wholly lacking in the ordinary decencies, let alone the standards required in public life, is risible.
I have voted Tory in GEs for nearly 50 years. The reasons why I would not do so now are (1) Boris (2) Truss. They will have a massive uphill struggle to get me (and a few million others) to reconsider.
GE polling went against the Tories in November last year - in Boris's time and because of Boris. It never recovered.
Early signs are that the Conservative Party HAS NOT LEARNED A FUCKING THING from the Truss debacle.
"Hey, I'm a Tory MP - and I could make a great PM!"
No, you idiot, you couldn't. Sit down and STFU.
Rishi and Penny should jointly make it clear that any MPs who stand and don't get enough votes to go into the next round will not be asked to be a member of their new Cabinet, whichever wins. Making a lot of noise just to get a place round the Cabinet table will fail, spectacularly.
Do we know when Brady will be announcing the rules for the contest?
Once he has arranged for the members to have a vote on accepting the proposed timetable and incorporating any recommendations made by 17% or more of the membership subject to a wider consultation with councillors snd mayors
Early signs are that the Conservative Party HAS NOT LEARNED A FUCKING THING from the Truss debacle.
"Hey, I'm a Tory MP - and I could make a great PM!"
No, you idiot, you couldn't. Sit down and STFU.
Rishi and Penny should jointly make it clear that any MPs who stand and don't get enough votes to go into the next round will not be asked to be a member of their new Cabinet, whichever wins. Making a lot of noise just to get a place round the Cabinet table will fail, spectacularly.
Who will care what those two say? Seeing as Johnson will be PM next week.
Off thread - this board has been kind enough to indulge me over recent months in my rantings about the 11+, which my middle daughter is going through: we've just had the results, and although she just missed out for our local grammar school, she has passed the pass mark for our second closest (which is still just over a mile away and which we are within catchment for). So all being well she will be going there. She has worked uncomplainingly and astonishingly hard to achieve this (despite the handicap of dyslexia) and I am so bloody proud of her.
My daughters failed the 11+ and went to Ashton. One of them now has a PhD.
Early signs are that the Conservative Party HAS NOT LEARNED A FUCKING THING from the Truss debacle.
"Hey, I'm a Tory MP - and I could make a great PM!"
No, you idiot, you couldn't. Sit down and STFU.
Rishi and Penny should jointly make it clear that any MPs who stand and don't get enough votes to go into the next round will not be asked to be a member of their new Cabinet, whichever wins. Making a lot of noise just to get a place round the Cabinet table will fail, spectacularly.
Equally staggered (but sort of not) by this. Honestly. They're like junkies; can't bloody help themselves.
Off thread - this board has been kind enough to indulge me over recent months in my rantings about the 11+, which my middle daughter is going through: we've just had the results, and although she just missed out for our local grammar school, she has passed the pass mark for our second closest (which is still just over a mile away and which we are within catchment for). So all being well she will be going there. She has worked uncomplainingly and astonishingly hard to achieve this (despite the handicap of dyslexia) and I am so bloody proud of her.
Cookie, my son, who is also dyslexic, is now in second year at Oxford studying PPE. It can be done but it is indeed bloody hard work. He is a slow reader and that is not an advantage on his course! He got quite a lot of technology help at school, access to laptops to type his answers for exams etc with spellcheck. Make sure your daughter gets the same.
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Well, Judgement Day will be upon us soon.....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-63328168
Someone has compromised. Causing death by Careless Driving is the cotton-batting offence that that dangerous drivers' lawyers negotiate down to to try and avoid a prison sentence.
https://twitter.com/mikeysmith/status/1583097855564165120
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/liz-truss-latest-news-resign-tory-mp-westminster-follow-live-gf7g23fxm
https://twitter.com/johnestevens/status/1583100733787774977
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The debacle of Liz Truss’ short-lived premiership is a symptom of a broken economic system and a trashed democracy.
We will continue to lurch from crisis to crisis — and ordinary people will pay the price — until we finally build a society for the many, not the few.
(ended up all green on that market, after trading, so not much, but Johnson is my best result on that)
Being pressed by Lewdon Brandis ?
And still single digits!
And they’ve learnt absolutely NOTHING from the last six weeks? I seriously increasingly hope they lose EVERY seat at the next election.
What an absurd situation.
Thats not even a dig at the members, the mps made Truss a choice after all.
Then Covid would have hit. And the public sector would have been fine.
The private sector on the other hand (expected to pay for all the public sector-supporting borrowing) would have been battered beyond belief. Four, five million unemployed as he had no means to fund furlough.
But he would have saved a bit on mothballing our entire defences.
Have you not followed a single thing that has happened since 2016?
*No offence meant
I'm slightly bemused that kids are still going through this. How many counties still have grammars?
They still love him......
Whether he'd win a GE is a different ask.
IT NEVER HAPPENED! So who cares?
"Hey, I'm a Tory MP - and I could make a great PM!"
No, you idiot, you couldn't. Sit down and STFU.
Rishi and Penny should jointly make it clear that any MPs who stand and don't get enough votes to go into the next round will not be asked to be a member of their new Cabinet, whichever wins. Making a lot of noise just to get a place round the Cabinet table will fail, spectacularly.
https://twitter.com/MrJohnNicolson/status/1583104369137885185
Perhaps we should ask Radakin to be added as a runner ?
I have voted Tory in GEs for nearly 50 years. The reasons why I would not do so now are (1) Boris (2) Truss. They will have a massive uphill struggle to get me (and a few million others) to reconsider.
GE polling went against the Tories in November last year - in Boris's time and because of Boris. It never recovered.
If there are just two runners though ...
If the anti-Sunaks have any sense they will engineer Sunak vs one other who will likely beat him with the membership.
* Well, the ferry is already booked, so I'm going whoever takes over.
https://twitter.com/Ryanair/status/1583074534202408960