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  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963

    TimS said:

    AlistairM said:

    Starmer arguing that Labour would be a stable government. I think they will be anything but when they realise what decisions they would have to make. The internal far-left vs centre-left divisions have not been resolved. They will tear themselves apart.

    We're back to hypothetical chaos of a future Labour government vs the tangible, there for all to see chaos of the current actual government.
    I think I agree on the general point - that people are projecting on Starmer that he is safe pair of hands etc. it is entirely possible that he is another car crash.

    Irrelevant for politics and betting - the reality is that all he has to do is *nothing* until the next election.
    To win, yes. But to be able to do anything after he wins?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    TimS said:

    AlistairM said:

    Starmer arguing that Labour would be a stable government. I think they will be anything but when they realise what decisions they would have to make. The internal far-left vs centre-left divisions have not been resolved. They will tear themselves apart.

    We're back to hypothetical chaos of a future Labour government vs the tangible, there for all to see chaos of the current actual government.
    Sometimes that works. Not after this.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    Boris 5/1
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,995
    Any of the likely candidates more equivocal on Russia and support for Ukraine? I've not noticed much difference between them on this but if there is a slightly more Russia-friendly candidate expect to see the pages of OAP facebook flooded with newly formed stan accounts for whoever that person is.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,215

    Stocky said:

    If Sunak wins and Hunt stays as Chancellor this is going to cause uproar with many Tory members/voters.

    Stocky said:

    If Sunak wins and Hunt stays as Chancellor this is going to cause uproar with many Tory members/voters.

    Why? If Sunak wins he appoints his Chancellor. If you don't want that, vote for Penny.

    Or resign as a member.

    (The irony is, as my direct debit won't have cancelled by the time of the vote, I effectively have a free vote! PM4PM.....)
    I suspect that Hunt will stay as Chancellor whether Sunak or Mordaunt wins. My point is that Sunak/Hunt will be particularly toxic for some members. Mordaunt/Hunt less so.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,718
    The ball has come loose in the scrum.
    Go Boris!
  • Boris guaranteed to run isn't he
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,053
    kle4 said:

    Really annoyed she quit today. I'd not been well and only got like 1 hour of sleep, so dont have the energy to follow this madness.

    That’s ok - wait for the next PM to fall in 6 weeks time.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,790
    edited October 2022
    Ha. I went to back Boris Johnson at 11 on Ladbrokes. The odds fell to 7 when I logged on, and when I boosted the odds they became 5.25. Ahem.

    Edited extra bit: can't complain, got very lucky with 46 on Truss going this year and Hunt becoming next leader (laid him to be next PM at a bizarrely short 4).
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,995
    Scott_xP said:

    EXCLUSIVE:

    I'm told that Boris Johnson is expected to stand in the Tory leadership contest

    He's taking soundings but is said to believe it is a matter of national interest

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/liz-truss-latest-news-resign-tory-mp-westminster-follow-live-gf7g23fxm

    My prediction of a stable 2 years just took a serious blow.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,813
    Oh god. Kemi, no, don’t do it. Please don’t do it. This is not your time.
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    darkage said:

    Just logged back in to say... people keep going on about this being 'chaos', but I'm not so sure. The fact is that she was not up to the job and she got forced to resign and it was all over and done with in a few weeks. It is actually pretty impressive when you compare it to how long Corbyn hung around in the Labour Party.. I'm not sure a General Election would resolve things either, we could well go in to a hung parliament and a stalemate whilst all this chaos is going on, with the SNP holding the country to ransom over the abolition of Trident or whatever. At the moment, we just need someone to carry out the business of managing the country, hopefully the tories will be up to it and not destroy themselves again in the process....

    I agree that there is not chaos (except at the top of the Tory Party).

    There is enormous inertia in the British political system. Things carrying on running.

    Sir Humphrey: Government isn't about morality.

    Hacker: Really? What is it about then?

    Sir Humphrey: Stability. Keeping thing going. Preventing anarchy. Stopping society falling to bits. Still being here tomorrow.

    The British system is really very good at "still being here tomorrow".
  • The Poundshop Churchill and the Poundshop Thatcher have both not quite turned out to be value for money.

    Boris delivered Brexit, Truss delivered the abolition of the Health and Social Care Levy.

    Lets have a new PM every 4 months who can deliver one thing each.
    They both delivered chaos. That is something that I think it is fair for an electorate to expect not to happen in a mature democracy. Anyone that makes excuses for either is a fuckwit.
    You say that as if its a bad thing.

    Chaos is a part of creative destruction and allows evolution and progress.

    Stagnation is not a good thing.
    Tell that to the poor sods in Ukraine.
    The trouble with evolution is that, whilst it leads to progress for the species, it's pretty rubbish for most of the individuals in that species, because they die prematurely. (They have to, or there's no selection pressure.) And the rate of death continues even as the species becomes better adapted- it's just that the margins of success and failure become ever more random and trivial.

    Not just skeletons all the way down, but skeletons to the left and right as far as the eye can see.
    Which is why I'm not a total anarchist. I believe that people should be allowed to fail, with a safety net, pick themselves up and rebuild.

    But preventing failures, prevents opportunities, entrenches existing divides and leads to stagnation.

    Failure has to be accepted as part of a healthy society. Why do we fall? To pick ourselves back up again.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,568

    Stocky said:

    If Sunak wins and Hunt stays as Chancellor this is going to cause uproar with many Tory members/voters.

    Stocky said:

    If Sunak wins and Hunt stays as Chancellor this is going to cause uproar with many Tory members/voters.

    Why? If Sunak wins he appoints his Chancellor. If you don't want that, vote for Penny.

    Or resign as a member.

    (The irony is, as my direct debit won't have cancelled by the time of the vote, I effectively have a free vote! PM4PM.....)
    Ah, but can you do 'on-line'?
    Yep. My vote for Rishi last time was acknowledged by e-mail as having been received.
    I was joking
    I know. I should really have referenced "the internets" in my response....
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,999
    For some years I have argued that American politicians are judged too much by how well they speak, and too little by how well they listen.

    Correct me if I am wrong on this, but it appears from this great distance that Prime Minister Truss did not listen to those who could have told her that -- regardless of the merits of her policies -- it would not be possible to sell them to the public. Or, possibly, even to a majority in the House of Commons.

    If this simple analysis is bascially correct, was ths character flaw obvious before she reached the top?
  • Pulpstar said:

    I'm finding myself mentally rooting for Boris to win.

    Do I need help ?

    One word: Nadine.

    When that is his major cheerleader then, yes, you need help.
    Boris will be the first leadership candidate with an official fluffers - Nadine. Who let's be honest has a big gob
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    ping said:

    Boris in to 7/1

    Laying that
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,015
    Bozo.

    What a fecking joke.

    HY must be creaming himself.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840

    The Poundshop Churchill and the Poundshop Thatcher have both not quite turned out to be value for money.

    Boris delivered Brexit, Truss delivered the abolition of the Health and Social Care Levy.

    Lets have a new PM every 4 months who can deliver one thing each.
    They both delivered chaos. That is something that I think it is fair for an electorate to expect not to happen in a mature democracy. Anyone that makes excuses for either is a fuckwit.
    You say that as if its a bad thing.

    Chaos is a part of creative destruction and allows evolution and progress.

    Stagnation is not a good thing.
    Tell that to the poor sods in Ukraine.
    The trouble with evolution is that, whilst it leads to progress for the species, it's pretty rubbish for most of the individuals in that species, because they die prematurely. (They have to, or there's no selection pressure.) And the rate of death continues even as the species becomes better adapted- it's just that the margins of success and failure become ever more random and trivial.

    Not just skeletons all the way down, but skeletons to the left and right as far as the eye can see.

    Ah, the old classic comes to mind: J. B. S. Haldane, The cost of natural selection. Journal of Genetics volume 55, pages 511–524 (1957),

    'Unless selection is very intense, the number of deaths needed to secure the substitution, by natural selection, of one gene for another at a locus, is independent of the intensity of selection. It is often about 30 times the number of organisms in a generation. [...]'
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Pulpstar said:

    We're all on team Boris in my office.

    Home working?

    #obviousjokes
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Omg he's down to @6
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,813
    Boris. What the actual f**k. Oh I’m so over this.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    moonshine said:

    Hilarious if it’s Boris.

    It really isn't.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    OMFG

    "Boris Johnson is expected to stand in the Tory leadership contest"

    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1583091554574831617?s=20&t=oTwW0qfUt85tFYDKrmSDQQ
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,457
    I'm in deep do-doo if Boris wins.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,773

    OMFG

    "Boris Johnson is expected to stand in the Tory leadership contest"

    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1583091554574831617?s=20&t=oTwW0qfUt85tFYDKrmSDQQ

    Oh FFS... no just no.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    Boris resolves the inevitable democratic mandate problem….
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449
    That binbag over the lectern on Truss's first day was quite the omen
  • AlistairMAlistairM Posts: 2,005

    OMFG

    "Boris Johnson is expected to stand in the Tory leadership contest"

    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1583091554574831617?s=20&t=oTwW0qfUt85tFYDKrmSDQQ

    Don't do it, Boris. You won't be able to earn the mega-money if you're PM.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,457
    Pulpstar said:

    I'm finding myself mentally rooting for Boris to win.

    Do I need help ?

    Have you forgotten how badly Boris was performing that led to this in the first place?
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    Pulpstar said:

    We're all on team Boris in my office.

    In to 4/1 and shorter now.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    For some years I have argued that American politicians are judged too much by how well they speak, and too little by how well they listen.

    Correct me if I am wrong on this, but it appears from this great distance that Prime Minister Truss did not listen to those who could have told her that -- regardless of the merits of her policies -- it would not be possible to sell them to the public. Or, possibly, even to a majority in the House of Commons.

    If this simple analysis is bascially correct, was ths character flaw obvious before she reached the top?

    Some said it was. A solid but unspectacular Cabinet career did not make it obvious to all of us.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963
    On the one hand, Boris does have a positive case to be made for him: he has the mandate from the last election.

    But the other hand needs to be as big as a bucket to hold all the downsides...
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    FF43 said:

    ..

    Andy_JS said:
    FFS. Mordaunt or Badenoch. Are the Tories actually incapable of finding normally competent leaders, who can cobble together a somewhat coherent policy?
    Now Johnson! FFFS.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,652
    Thatcher cosplayer outlived by "the vegetables"
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,191

    I'm in deep do-doo if Boris wins.

    After completely fucking up the exit date I covered my hole on him at 30-1 earlier on Betfair. Anyone but Sunak for me.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,015
    Pulpstar said:

    We're all on team Boris in my office.

    Sounds like a good reason to WFH.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    Tory MP (unnamed) threatening to defect to Labour if Boris becomes PM again.

    I think even more of the country would as well.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    I'm in deep do-doo if Boris wins.

    Not just you. The country!
  • Pulpstar said:

    We're all on team Boris in my office.

    In to 4/1 and shorter now.
    Can't be laid at that. Free money if it could.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,747

    moonshine said:

    Hilarious if it’s Boris.

    It really isn't.
    Don’t take it too seriously. The 650 morons are principally there for our entertainment and not much else.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,457
    Pulpstar said:

    I'm in deep do-doo if Boris wins.

    After completely fucking up the exit date I covered my hole on him at 30-1 earlier on Betfair. Anyone but Sunak for me.
    Wish I'd covered mine now! Was too fixated on laying Hunt.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,790
    Mr. Pulpstar, given Sunak's odds, not tempted to hedge?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    OMFG

    "Boris Johnson is expected to stand in the Tory leadership contest"

    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1583091554574831617?s=20&t=oTwW0qfUt85tFYDKrmSDQQ

    Oh christ, a unity candidate emerges. They might just do it you know -
  • ping said:

    Boris resolves the inevitable democratic mandate problem….

    Which would be offset by having someone returned to office who was demonstrated to be fundamentally dishonest and unfit for high office and was removed from office because of it. It would be ludicrous.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Pulpstar said:

    We're all on team Boris in my office.

    In to 4/1 and shorter now.
    Can't be laid at that. Free money if it could.
    Can be laid @5.5
  • Boris is standing- i think a shoo -in - if 4/1 is stlll available take it
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,995

    Pulpstar said:

    We're all on team Boris in my office.

    In to 4/1 and shorter now.
    Labour will be praying he gets the job. Almost perfect for them, though not as much of a gift as Braverman woudl be.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,053
    Driver said:

    On the one hand, Boris does have a positive case to be made for him: he has the mandate from the last election.

    But the other hand needs to be as big as a bucket to hold all the downsides...

    He will also, surely, say “look at my last polling vs where we are today”.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,790
    MPs might want to recall they threw him out because he treated them like mushrooms, keeping them in the dark and feeding him shit. Not to mention the electorate will not be pleased with his constant COVID restriction-breaking ways (nice attack line for Labour).

    The joke's worn thin.
  • AlistairMAlistairM Posts: 2,005
    The Tory membership are this stupid.

    Boris is more popular with the membership...

    https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1583093665626353664
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,457
    Alistair said:

    ping said:

    Boris in to 7/1

    Laying that
    I've laid beneath 6s

    I don't think he'd make the final two now
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963

    ping said:

    Boris resolves the inevitable democratic mandate problem….

    Which would be offset by having someone returned to office who was demonstrated to be fundamentally dishonest and unfit for high office and was removed from office because of it. It would be ludicrous.
    He would have the chutzpah to call an immediate general election when Labour clearly aren't ready for it. Not sure any of the others would.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,773
    Do people no have any goddamn shame anymore. Boris had to go as he was utterly unfit to hold the office...
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,813
    edited October 2022
    I

    ping said:

    Boris resolves the inevitable democratic mandate problem….

    Which would be offset by having someone returned to office who was demonstrated to be fundamentally dishonest and unfit for high office and was removed from office because of it. It would be ludicrous.
    I hope to god that having “taken soundings” he realised he’d lose, and doesn’t stand. I hope that enough MPs remember the whole reason why we are in this mess.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    Calgie
    @christiancalgie
    ·
    1m
    Tory MP: "We're fucked", "Boris turned around once and can do it again"
    https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1583094040530018304

    God help us.


  • AlistairMAlistairM Posts: 2,005
    The only thing Boris would solve is the "no mandate" challenge.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840
    TimS said:

    Pulpstar said:

    We're all on team Boris in my office.

    In to 4/1 and shorter now.
    Labour will be praying he gets the job. Almost perfect for them, though not as much of a gift as Braverman woudl be.
    SNP would be astounded at the turn of events.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    ...
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    The Tories are actually insane.

    All of them.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,457
    AlistairM said:

    The Tory membership are this stupid.

    Boris is more popular with the membership...

    https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1583093665626353664

    I'm quitting the party for good if he gets back in.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    Driver said:

    ping said:

    Boris resolves the inevitable democratic mandate problem….

    Which would be offset by having someone returned to office who was demonstrated to be fundamentally dishonest and unfit for high office and was removed from office because of it. It would be ludicrous.
    He would have the chutzpah to call an immediate general election when Labour clearly aren't ready for it. Not sure any of the others would.
    What a naive post. a) He wouldn't b) Labour would be ready, so bring it on.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,994
    edited October 2022
    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    We're all on team Boris in my office.

    In to 4/1 and shorter now.
    Can't be laid at that. Free money if it could.
    Can be laid @5.5
    On second thoughts I'm not touching that. The whole thing has just become insane, I've got no idea what's going to happen next. I'm going to stay out of this market ...
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840
    AlistairM said:

    The only thing Boris would solve is the "no mandate" challenge.

    And save on wallpaper, assuming Ms Truss had other things on her mind.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,191
    No laughing at the back but Boris probably holds the most seats for Tory MPs.
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    Driver said:

    On the one hand, Boris does have a positive case to be made for him: he has the mandate from the last election.

    But the other hand needs to be as big as a bucket to hold all the downsides...

    And he wouldn't need new wallpaper at number 10.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,829
    Please not Boris.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,191

    Calgie
    @christiancalgie
    ·
    1m
    Tory MP: "We're fucked", "Boris turned around once and can do it again"
    https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1583094040530018304

    God help us.


    It's happening isn't it :D
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,773
    How the f*** would Boris fill a cabinet given the MPs all said he had to go
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,727
    "Tory members' next leader could be elected in cyber (they just don't know it yet)"? :wink:
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    This is such a soap opera.

    Boris Johnson, looking remarkably like a young Patrick Duffy, steps out of the shower and it transpires the last year was all just a bad dream. FFS!
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Six days ago me was pretty clever

    https://twitter.com/twitonatrain/status/1580851195786076160?t=7o1MXk1nLo90vPvNaamlxA&s=19

    Shame I didn't act on it then!
  • Pulpstar said:

    Calgie
    @christiancalgie
    ·
    1m
    Tory MP: "We're fucked", "Boris turned around once and can do it again"
    https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1583094040530018304

    God help us.


    It's happening isn't it :D
    Politics is a soap opera, but no soap opera ever brings a character back from the dead do they ...
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,592

    Off-topic:

    Re. the potential cable-cutting. It can be argued that one of the first acts Britain committed during World War One won the war (eventually). Within the first few weeks of the war, we cut all but one of Germany's marine cables (and we had access to that one).

    This severely hampered German international communications throughout the war, and aided our signals intelligence. Then in 1917 it allowed the infamous Zimmerman Telegram to be intercepted, which helped bring the US into the war.

    Cutting cables nowadays would not have the same effect; but it may prove absolutely awful for trade.

    Good for Elon Musk though...

    What state is OneWeb in at the moment?
    Early operational testing - service has gaps until the last satellites are launched.

    Interestingly, the missing satellites (stuck in Russia) will be launched by SpaceX. Yes, they are being launched by their direct competitor. Given the way the launch business usually works, finding a ride would have taken multiple years. Only SpaceX has the capability to do large launches at a couple of months notice.

    Reasons for the SpaceX being helpful include

    - having a competitor is actually good for them. Accusations of monopoly.
    - Launching a direct rivals service protects them against charges of being anti-competitive.. using the SpaceX price advantage only for Starlink could be viewed that way. This contract makes SpaceX legally fireproof on such charges.
    - The space industry have a history of helping rivals out. You never know when it is your turn
    - As a result of launch contract various mutual lawsuits have gone away.
    On the other hand, they've been very uncompetitive with their rideshare program, and killed off the market leaders (who created the market in the first place).

    Also, do we really want comms in the hands of Musk? For years I compared him with Brunel, positively. I was wrong. Musk is not the modern-day Brunel.

    He is the modern-day Henry Ford. Except worse...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,660
    edited October 2022

    This is such a soap opera.

    Boris Johnson, looking remarkably like a young Patrick Duffy, steps out of the shower and it transpires the last year was all just a bad dream. FFS!

    And there is still the golden wall paper up...
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963

    Driver said:

    ping said:

    Boris resolves the inevitable democratic mandate problem….

    Which would be offset by having someone returned to office who was demonstrated to be fundamentally dishonest and unfit for high office and was removed from office because of it. It would be ludicrous.
    He would have the chutzpah to call an immediate general election when Labour clearly aren't ready for it. Not sure any of the others would.
    What a naive post. a) He wouldn't b) Labour would be ready, so bring it on.
    Manifesto ready for printing, is it? All candidates in place and sufficient funds to run a campaign?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,784
    Boris Johnson.
    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,053
    When was the last time we were in precedented times?
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507

    Pulpstar said:

    We're all on team Boris in my office.

    In to 4/1 and shorter now.
    Can't be laid at that. Free money if it could.
    Yeah bookie price not exchange. You can lay 5's though.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    The Tories are insane if they even think of backing Johnson . The 1922 need to stop this nonsense and not allow the membership a vote .
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    Flight tracker from Dominican Republic anyone?
    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1583092367883923456
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840
    edited October 2022
    Driver said:

    Driver said:

    ping said:

    Boris resolves the inevitable democratic mandate problem….

    Which would be offset by having someone returned to office who was demonstrated to be fundamentally dishonest and unfit for high office and was removed from office because of it. It would be ludicrous.
    He would have the chutzpah to call an immediate general election when Labour clearly aren't ready for it. Not sure any of the others would.
    What a naive post. a) He wouldn't b) Labour would be ready, so bring it on.
    Manifesto ready for printing, is it? All candidates in place and sufficient funds to run a campaign?
    Same applies to the Tories. What are their policies, after the last week or three? Or their sitting MPs, never mind their candidates?
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    Carnyx said:

    AlistairM said:

    The only thing Boris would solve is the "no mandate" challenge.

    And save on wallpaper, assuming Ms Truss had other things on her mind.
    Yes. Beat me to it.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited October 2022
    I did tip Boris on here @ 16/1 as soon as the leader post-truss market arrived.

    Topped up @ 28/1 an hour ago.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,191
    Only going to be one candidate being talked about on the broadly right wing radio/tv channels (TalkTV/LBC).
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,648
    Boris with a chastened and disciplined party could be the Goldilocks scenario for the Tories.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,431
    I suppose the positive if Boris really gets the job again is that Liz Truss hasn't had time to have the wallpaper stripped!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,457
    I think you'll see mass defections of Tory MPs to LDs/Labour/Independents if Boris gets back in.

    Whole party would fall apart.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,718
    All the right people horrified at Johnson doing a Lazarus.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963
    edited October 2022
    nico679 said:

    The Tories are insane if they even think of backing Johnson . The 1922 need to stop this nonsense and not allow the membership a vote .

    They. Can't.

    Jesus, how many more times?
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,747
    Pulpstar said:

    No laughing at the back but Boris probably holds the most seats for Tory MPs.

    I suspect this is right, if he’s chastened enough to build a more cohesive cabinet.
  • Driver said:

    ping said:

    Boris resolves the inevitable democratic mandate problem….

    Which would be offset by having someone returned to office who was demonstrated to be fundamentally dishonest and unfit for high office and was removed from office because of it. It would be ludicrous.
    He would have the chutzpah to call an immediate general election when Labour clearly aren't ready for it. Not sure any of the others would.
    What a naive post. a) He wouldn't b) Labour would be ready, so bring it on.
    He would. Anyone not on board would lose the whip as per last time. The only question is whether he would last long enough to still be leader by the time the election happened.....
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,297
    Pulpstar said:

    No laughing at the back but Boris probably holds the most seats for Tory MPs.

    Agreed - he even has a chance of winning a GE I think (sadly).
    I just chucked a quid on Gove & Shapps - both at 200/1.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    ping said:

    Boris resolves the inevitable democratic mandate problem….

    Which would be offset by having someone returned to office who was demonstrated to be fundamentally dishonest and unfit for high office and was removed from office because of it. It would be ludicrous.
    If he gets sufficient nominations he wins. The members didnt want him gone and even many MPs will have remorse. Thry picked him desperation in 2019 and might again.

    Plus, the next election is lost, might as well let him lose it.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,158
    Betting alert!

    Free money available on Boris Johnson.

    Should be 33. Trading at 5.
  • I think you'll see mass defections of Tory MPs to LDs/Labour/Independents if Boris gets back in.

    Whole party would fall apart.

    It already has.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,028
    The tories may as well call a general election is Johnson stands again. Would make a mockery of the whole system
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