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And better still, they could replace the present Cabinet with some decent, honest, fair-minded people with whom other parties could talk and trust.Alanbrooke said:
maybe instead of sucking up to the DUP the Tories could try having some policies, even better they could actually implement some of themHYUFD said:
If the Irish Sea border was scrapped.rottenborough said:I'm not convinced the DUP wouldn't do a deal in the end with Tories.
However on the locals results Labour plus LDs would be more than Tories plus DUP even ignoring the SNP
But these are currently in short supply in the Conservative Party.3 -
Doesn't prove that. Work overruns,. they get on with finishing it after the gulab jamm.Stark_Dawning said:
Because the curry was the last thing listed on the memo it presumably implies that nothing else happened after the curry, so we have.CorrectHorseBattery said:
The memo doesn't prove that to not be true.tlg86 said:
Starmer said they went back to work after eating.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Who said they spontaneously chose to get a takeaway curry? The story has always been we were working late and had curry. Which is what the memo confirms to be true. They planned it out, like all organisations do.williamglenn said:
There was nothing planned after the dinner except going back to the hotel so it doesn't match the previous story that they were working late and spontaneously decided to get a takeaway curry.CorrectHorseBattery said:8:40 to 10, an hour and twenty minutes for a meal seems pretty fair.
It even says what they will do afterwards, i.e. no party that went on.
So I think Starmer is home and clear, seems like he was telling the truth.
Work event.
Work event ends.
Curry.
So the curry is an isolated, non-work-related social event of the kind that was strictly forbidden. If the author had just written three words - 'Work event resumes' - as the last item then history would be entirely different.0 -
Well, they held off announcing their decision until after the elections, which I think was wrong. But I don't care all that much about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:
No if they give Starmer a fine, Starmer should resign. I trust the Police to do the right thing.tlg86 said:
What's interesting is that you're telling us all how Starmer obviously hasn't done anything wrong, and yet you're getting ready to accuse Durham Police of being politically motivated should they give Starmer a fine.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Because it's private and confidential?tlg86 said:
So you're arguing that this memo proves that curry was a the pre-planned working dinner, but we can ignore the bit after?CorrectHorseBattery said:
The memo doesn't prove that to not be true.tlg86 said:
Starmer said they went back to work after eating.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Who said they spontaneously chose to get a takeaway curry? The story has always been we were working late and had curry. Which is what the memo confirms to be true. They planned it out, like all organisations do.williamglenn said:
There was nothing planned after the dinner except going back to the hotel so it doesn't match the previous story that they were working late and spontaneously decided to get a takeaway curry.CorrectHorseBattery said:8:40 to 10, an hour and twenty minutes for a meal seems pretty fair.
It even says what they will do afterwards, i.e. no party that went on.
So I think Starmer is home and clear, seems like he was telling the truth.
And also, why didn't Labour produce this memo themselves if it proves they're in the clear?
I expect they provided it to the Police, who have now leaked it. Just like they leaked the investigation being reopened without telling Starmer's office first.
What I am questioning is how this has been put out.
Ultimately, people leak. Gordon Brown used to love it when he was in opposition. He wasn't so keen on it when he was in government.0 -
21 seats is a heavy percentage of the number of seats Labour gained in England yesterday. Looks like they're down from 50 to 30, and they could lose some more in Croydon.wooliedyed said:Labour set to lose 21 seats in Tower Hsmlets and maybe 2 or 3 in Croydon based on the mayoralty election, leaving them with a really lukewarm gain in England of perhaps 25 seats against Mr Mephisto and the Party Pack. And that's before hypocritegate takes off.
They are a really worthless bunch, the lot of them. What a choice in 2024.
Oh, betting tips! Norwich North is a lock for Labour next time out, if you want a seat against the head, I fancy one of the three Sunderlands to flip, probably central and as much as Malcolm would string me up for it, the Scot Tories will, despite Thursday, retake Ayr, Carrick and Cumnock if they can avoid any further backsliding1 -
That itinerary doesn't preclude at all that SKS on an individual basis had fired up the laptop and worked around his meal, nor that he didn't know in advance the curry was being ordered in. Nor that a mix of delegates, namely those returning to the hotel (to where curry potentially could have been ordered) and those returning by car who would need to eat before going potentially some distance home, were being catered for. The take away, where it was delivered and who attended could readily be legitimate and necessary to the work circumstance.williamglenn said:
There was nothing planned after the dinner except going back to the hotel so it doesn't match the previous story that they were working late and spontaneously decided to get a takeaway curry.CorrectHorseBattery said:8:40 to 10, an hour and twenty minutes for a meal seems pretty fair.
It even says what they will do afterwards, i.e. no party that went on.
So I think Starmer is home and clear, seems like he was telling the truth.
To me, there is still no gotcha here with the addition of that itenerary, but that said I've not viewed all the publically available video.0 -
Aspire GAIN Tower Hamlets council from Labour with a majority of 3 (2 wards to declare, probably Lab holds)
Rahman has his council to go with his mayoralty0 -
Fair point.tlg86 said:
Well, they held off announcing their decision until after the elections, which I think was wrong. But I don't care all that much about it.CorrectHorseBattery said:
No if they give Starmer a fine, Starmer should resign. I trust the Police to do the right thing.tlg86 said:
What's interesting is that you're telling us all how Starmer obviously hasn't done anything wrong, and yet you're getting ready to accuse Durham Police of being politically motivated should they give Starmer a fine.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Because it's private and confidential?tlg86 said:
So you're arguing that this memo proves that curry was a the pre-planned working dinner, but we can ignore the bit after?CorrectHorseBattery said:
The memo doesn't prove that to not be true.tlg86 said:
Starmer said they went back to work after eating.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Who said they spontaneously chose to get a takeaway curry? The story has always been we were working late and had curry. Which is what the memo confirms to be true. They planned it out, like all organisations do.williamglenn said:
There was nothing planned after the dinner except going back to the hotel so it doesn't match the previous story that they were working late and spontaneously decided to get a takeaway curry.CorrectHorseBattery said:8:40 to 10, an hour and twenty minutes for a meal seems pretty fair.
It even says what they will do afterwards, i.e. no party that went on.
So I think Starmer is home and clear, seems like he was telling the truth.
And also, why didn't Labour produce this memo themselves if it proves they're in the clear?
I expect they provided it to the Police, who have now leaked it. Just like they leaked the investigation being reopened without telling Starmer's office first.
What I am questioning is how this has been put out.
Ultimately, people leak. Gordon Brown used to love it when he was in opposition. He wasn't so keen on it when he was in government.0 -
Hope you are keeping otherwise well @tlg860
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It's now 22 in TH. They should lose 4 in Croydon, the rest are probably safe solely on how toxic blues are right now. In any of the last 3 years the council would ha e flipped blue in these circs of bankruptcy and incompetenceAndy_JS said:
21 seats is a heavy percentage of the number of seats Labour gained in England yesterday. Looks like they're down from 50 to 30, and they could lose some more in Croydon.wooliedyed said:Labour set to lose 21 seats in Tower Hsmlets and maybe 2 or 3 in Croydon based on the mayoralty election, leaving them with a really lukewarm gain in England of perhaps 25 seats against Mr Mephisto and the Party Pack. And that's before hypocritegate takes off.
They are a really worthless bunch, the lot of them. What a choice in 2024.
Oh, betting tips! Norwich North is a lock for Labour next time out, if you want a seat against the head, I fancy one of the three Sunderlands to flip, probably central and as much as Malcolm would string me up for it, the Scot Tories will, despite Thursday, retake Ayr, Carrick and Cumnock if they can avoid any further backsliding0 -
On Topic - of course! Tories are lepers - no-one wants to be associated with them0
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Perhaps the whistleblower came from the event and is a secret Corbyn agent ! Either way it’s funny how one small twist of fate re the students taking a short video clip can change the course of history.Stark_Dawning said:
Because the curry was the last thing listed on the memo it presumably implies that nothing else happened after the curry, so we have.CorrectHorseBattery said:
The memo doesn't prove that to not be true.tlg86 said:
Starmer said they went back to work after eating.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Who said they spontaneously chose to get a takeaway curry? The story has always been we were working late and had curry. Which is what the memo confirms to be true. They planned it out, like all organisations do.williamglenn said:
There was nothing planned after the dinner except going back to the hotel so it doesn't match the previous story that they were working late and spontaneously decided to get a takeaway curry.CorrectHorseBattery said:8:40 to 10, an hour and twenty minutes for a meal seems pretty fair.
It even says what they will do afterwards, i.e. no party that went on.
So I think Starmer is home and clear, seems like he was telling the truth.
Work event.
Work event ends.
Curry.
So the curry is an isolated, non-work-related social event of the kind that was strictly forbidden. If the author had just written three words - 'Work event resumes' - as the last item then history would be entirely different.
Where as no 10 was party central I do feel for Starmer . Surely the police in attendance will give evidence as to what happened.0 -
SKS in big trouble if this is genuine,
No work for hours
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I think it comes down to what constitutes work. During the 2011 Census, we ordered in pizzas when half a dozen or so of us were working late.Pro_Rata said:
That itinerary doesn't preclude at all that SKS on an individual basis had fired up the laptop and worked around his meal, nor that he didn't know in advance the curry was being ordered in. Nor that a mix of delegates, namely those returning to the hotel (to where curry potentially could have been ordered) and those returning by car who would need to eat before going potentially some distance home, were being catered for. The take away, where it was delivered and who attended could readily be legitimate and necessary to the work circumstance.williamglenn said:
There was nothing planned after the dinner except going back to the hotel so it doesn't match the previous story that they were working late and spontaneously decided to get a takeaway curry.CorrectHorseBattery said:8:40 to 10, an hour and twenty minutes for a meal seems pretty fair.
It even says what they will do afterwards, i.e. no party that went on.
So I think Starmer is home and clear, seems like he was telling the truth.
To me, there is still no gotcha here with the addition of that itenerary, but that said I've not viewed all the publically available video.
This sounds like a business meeting rather than putting together leaflet packs etc.0 -
Brilliantwooliedyed said:Aspire GAIN Tower Hamlets council from Labour with a majority of 3 (2 wards to declare, probably Lab holds)
Rahman has his council to go with his mayoralty0 -
and lets face it , as anyone been to a work event where in the evening you carry on after a heavy meal?Stark_Dawning said:
Because the curry was the last thing listed on the memo it presumably implies that nothing else happened after the curry, so we have.CorrectHorseBattery said:
The memo doesn't prove that to not be true.tlg86 said:
Starmer said they went back to work after eating.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Who said they spontaneously chose to get a takeaway curry? The story has always been we were working late and had curry. Which is what the memo confirms to be true. They planned it out, like all organisations do.williamglenn said:
There was nothing planned after the dinner except going back to the hotel so it doesn't match the previous story that they were working late and spontaneously decided to get a takeaway curry.CorrectHorseBattery said:8:40 to 10, an hour and twenty minutes for a meal seems pretty fair.
It even says what they will do afterwards, i.e. no party that went on.
So I think Starmer is home and clear, seems like he was telling the truth.
Work event.
Work event ends.
Curry.
So the curry is an isolated, non-work-related social event of the kind that was strictly forbidden. If the author had just written three words - 'Work event resumes' - as the last item then history would be entirely different.0 -
Very well, thank you, yourself?CorrectHorseBattery said:Hope you are keeping otherwise well @tlg86
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Why were the Police in attendance, can somebody explain that?0
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yeah its called politics!CorrectHorseBattery said:I must say, it is strange the "whistleblower" sat on the bombshell evidence for so long, almost like they chose to deploy it politically near to the LEs
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You're literally cheering on somebody winning an election having been banned for fraud five years ago.bigjohnowls said:
Brilliantwooliedyed said:Aspire GAIN Tower Hamlets council from Labour with a majority of 3 (2 wards to declare, probably Lab holds)
Rahman has his council to go with his mayoralty
This is the depths you have gone to.8 -
If you're talking about the Tower Hamlets count, the police have had to be in attendance at the last 4 or 5 counts IIRC, because unauthorised people were in the habit of walking into the count and potentially interfering with the process.CorrectHorseBattery said:Why were the Police in attendance, can somebody explain that?
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No at the Starmer thingAndy_JS said:
If you're talking about the Tower Hamlets count, the police have had to be in attendance at the last 4 or 5 counts IIRC, because unauthorised people were in the habit of walking into the count and potentially interfering with the process.CorrectHorseBattery said:Why were the Police in attendance, can somebody explain that?
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If Labour do lose Croydon they have actually stood still in London, gaining 3 and losing 3 councils.
I can see Aspire becoming a force in neighboring Newham and Hackney over the next few years0 -
Sinn Fein haven't really advanced that far.EPG said:Alliance gained nine seats. All east of the Bann (counting Upper Bann). West of the Bann, there are six out of the 18 constituencies, and it is looking likely that they will have no change in party strength at all. Four Alliance gains were from the SDLP and two were from the Greens. The SDLP are the least sectarian of the four pillars of the old party system. I'd conclude that this election turned out to be a reshuffle of the non-sectarian vote and that the real earthquake is yet to be seen.
It's that the DUP self-destructed - splitting the Unionist vote - and the Alliance has taken votes from both them and the SDLP to make big advances.
They are the real winners of this election.2 -
North Belfast declared = SF 2, DUP 2, Alliance 1
> final two seats as predicted DUP 1, Alliance 1
NI totals with 81/90 decided =
SF 23, DUP 23, Alln 17, UUP 9, SDLP 6, TUV 1, PBP 1, Ind Unionist 11 -
Always trouble at Tower Hamlets - goes back to Galloway daysCorrectHorseBattery said:Why were the Police in attendance, can somebody explain that?
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Oh I thought the Police were attending the Starmer beer thing as well0
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CorrectHorseBattery said:
Would like somebody to bring me down a peg as I am trying to be objective about this - if he does get fined he must go.Taz said:
We will see. I have always said it was a non story but we will see.CorrectHorseBattery said:
It exonerates him, I don't see how this is anything but good news for Starmer.Taz said:I wonder if this may change anything. Andrew Neil tweeted a link to it.
https://www.mailplus.co.uk/edition/news/politics/179032/mail-on-sunday-exclusive-keir-starmers-beergate-story-blown-apart-by-leaked-memo
But I don't see how a planned meal with social distancing guidelines followed between two events that were campaign related can be interpreted as anything other than totally necessary.
Can somebody explain what I am missing?
They planned a minor party. They planned for Rayner to be there. They had it indoors when there were plenty of alternatives. It was an end of work function with 30 people. They lied about all of thisCorrectHorseBattery said:
Would like somebody to bring me down a peg as I am trying to be objective about this - if he does get fined he must go.Taz said:
We will see. I have always said it was a non story but we will see.CorrectHorseBattery said:
It exonerates him, I don't see how this is anything but good news for Starmer.Taz said:I wonder if this may change anything. Andrew Neil tweeted a link to it.
https://www.mailplus.co.uk/edition/news/politics/179032/mail-on-sunday-exclusive-keir-starmers-beergate-story-blown-apart-by-leaked-memo
But I don't see how a planned meal with social distancing guidelines followed between two events that were campaign related can be interpreted as anything other than totally necessary.
Can somebody explain what I am missing?
None of this would really matter - who didn’t break the rules in some way, albeit maybe not as obviously as this - if 1. They hadn’t lied and 2. Starmer hadn’t called on Boris to resign just for an investigation. Starmer is now being investigated
I can’t see how Starmer can avoid resigning - or looking like a total hypocrite and seriously damaging the brand
This is bad for Labour, as Partygate was bad for Boris0 -
I can see what's in this for The Mail. It's the same as Growlergate. They publish a silly story, people laugh at them, they go a bit bonkers saying THIS IS A STORY. Because unlike The Sun, The Mail takes itself seriously and wants to be taken seriously. The worst thing you do to The Mail is not take them seriously.
I can see what's in this for the Conservatives, provided it doesn't go anywhere. It creates noise for a bit to get the greased pig out of a hole.
But the Conservatives are playing with fire here. If Starmer gets fined and walks, how the hell can BoJo stay when the next fine lands? I'm sure he'll try, but how?
It's one thing to blow the bloody doors off...0 -
Not if there is a time sensitive element - SKS going down south, things to get done before that/the election. Like putting on a play. You may stop for a meal but you work till it is finished.state_go_away said:
and lets face it , as anyone been to a work event where in the evening you carry on after a heavy meal?Stark_Dawning said:
Because the curry was the last thing listed on the memo it presumably implies that nothing else happened after the curry, so we have.CorrectHorseBattery said:
The memo doesn't prove that to not be true.tlg86 said:
Starmer said they went back to work after eating.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Who said they spontaneously chose to get a takeaway curry? The story has always been we were working late and had curry. Which is what the memo confirms to be true. They planned it out, like all organisations do.williamglenn said:
There was nothing planned after the dinner except going back to the hotel so it doesn't match the previous story that they were working late and spontaneously decided to get a takeaway curry.CorrectHorseBattery said:8:40 to 10, an hour and twenty minutes for a meal seems pretty fair.
It even says what they will do afterwards, i.e. no party that went on.
So I think Starmer is home and clear, seems like he was telling the truth.
Work event.
Work event ends.
Curry.
So the curry is an isolated, non-work-related social event of the kind that was strictly forbidden. If the author had just written three words - 'Work event resumes' - as the last item then history would be entirely different.0 -
Oh FFS. Do you really believe that?Carnyx said:
Doesn't prove that. Work overruns,. they get on with finishing it after the gulab jamm.Stark_Dawning said:
Because the curry was the last thing listed on the memo it presumably implies that nothing else happened after the curry, so we have.CorrectHorseBattery said:
The memo doesn't prove that to not be true.tlg86 said:
Starmer said they went back to work after eating.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Who said they spontaneously chose to get a takeaway curry? The story has always been we were working late and had curry. Which is what the memo confirms to be true. They planned it out, like all organisations do.williamglenn said:
There was nothing planned after the dinner except going back to the hotel so it doesn't match the previous story that they were working late and spontaneously decided to get a takeaway curry.CorrectHorseBattery said:8:40 to 10, an hour and twenty minutes for a meal seems pretty fair.
It even says what they will do afterwards, i.e. no party that went on.
So I think Starmer is home and clear, seems like he was telling the truth.
Work event.
Work event ends.
Curry.
So the curry is an isolated, non-work-related social event of the kind that was strictly forbidden. If the author had just written three words - 'Work event resumes' - as the last item then history would be entirely different.0 -
RESPECT rebornwooliedyed said:If Labour do lose Croydon they have actually stood still in London, gaining 3 and losing 3 councils.
I can see Aspire becoming a force in neighboring Newham and Hackney over the next few years0 -
Lutfur Rahman should have been barred for life, IMHO.Andy_JS said:
If you're talking about the Tower Hamlets count, the police have had to be in attendance at the last 4 or 5 counts IIRC, because unauthorised people were in the habit of walking into the count and potentially interfering with the process.CorrectHorseBattery said:Why were the Police in attendance, can somebody explain that?
He won't have changed, and will now get up to his old tricks again.1 -
Are you happy with the 32 seat Gain in England?CorrectHorseBattery said:
The bit after doesn't say they stopped working. It says back Radison whatever that is.tlg86 said:
So you're arguing that this memo proves that curry was a the pre-planned working dinner, but we can ignore the bit after?CorrectHorseBattery said:
The memo doesn't prove that to not be true.tlg86 said:
Starmer said they went back to work after eating.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Who said they spontaneously chose to get a takeaway curry? The story has always been we were working late and had curry. Which is what the memo confirms to be true. They planned it out, like all organisations do.williamglenn said:
There was nothing planned after the dinner except going back to the hotel so it doesn't match the previous story that they were working late and spontaneously decided to get a takeaway curry.CorrectHorseBattery said:8:40 to 10, an hour and twenty minutes for a meal seems pretty fair.
It even says what they will do afterwards, i.e. no party that went on.
So I think Starmer is home and clear, seems like he was telling the truth.
They probably continued working there.
I think Drakeford made twice as many in little old Wales
What do you put the massively differential performances down to?
ie a loss in every Region of England except London
Spinning this as a triumph yesterday morning makes you look a bit silly IMO0 -
It will be interesting to see if the DUP do throw their dinosaurs, sorry teddies, out of the pram.SeaShantyIrish2 said:North Belfast declared = SF 2, DUP 2, Alliance 1
> final two seats as predicted DUP 1, Alliance 1
NI totals with 81/90 decided =
SF 23, DUP 23, Alln 17, UUP 9, SDLP 6, TUV 1, PBP 1, Ind Unionist 10 -
I çan understand the STV system of voting might be fairer but jeez it goes on forever .
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BJWNWA?JACK_W said:The Big Fat About The Next Election - Boris
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Keir Starmer lives a pretty joyless life, having to diarise a walk back to a hotel after a work meal0
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And this is a bad thing?nico679 said:I çan understand the STV system of voting might be fairer but jeez it goes on forever .
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Rules in place at time of Keir Starmer evening meal.
1.—(1) No person may participate in a gathering in the Step 1 area which—
(a)consists of two or more people, and
(b)takes place indoors.
(2) Sub-paragraph (1) does not apply if any of the exceptions set out in paragraph 4 or 5 apply.
and then this in paragraph 4:
(6) Exception 3 is that the gathering is reasonably necessary—
(a)for work purposes or for the provision of voluntary or charitable services;
Thoughts?0 -
Its another nail in the Starmer coffinCorrectHorseBattery said:
You're literally cheering on somebody winning an election having been banned for fraud five years ago.bigjohnowls said:
Brilliantwooliedyed said:Aspire GAIN Tower Hamlets council from Labour with a majority of 3 (2 wards to declare, probably Lab holds)
Rahman has his council to go with his mayoralty
This is the depths you have gone to.
Voters just kicked Labour out for a bunch of Socialists whats not to like0 -
Greens join the party in TH taking a seat in rock solid Bow.
Final council tally
Aspire 24
Labour 19
Green 1
Conservative 1
Aspire take the popular vote 37 to 36.5.
Labour take an utter hammering0 -
Unless Tory vote colllapses in Midlands AND SLab vote soars, NOM is pretty much nailed on.dixiedean said:The electoral landing zone for NOM is huge.
Reckon it became more likely.0 -
BJO.bigjohnowls said:
Its another nail in the Starmer coffinCorrectHorseBattery said:
You're literally cheering on somebody winning an election having been banned for fraud five years ago.bigjohnowls said:
Brilliantwooliedyed said:Aspire GAIN Tower Hamlets council from Labour with a majority of 3 (2 wards to declare, probably Lab holds)
Rahman has his council to go with his mayoralty
This is the depths you have gone to.
Voters just kicked Labour out for a bunch of Socialists whats not to like
I am saying to you, whatever our differences, please don't cheer on a convicted fraudster winning an election. Please don't do that.5 -
Quite honestly Angela Rayner being present to me says it was working, can't imagine her and Keir hang out at the pub for fun...2
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Nope. Mike is right. The Tories are simply too repulsive.Applicant said:This is an opinion, not a fact. In the event of a hung parliament, what happens next will depend on exact seat counts.
Just like in 2010.0 -
He wasnt, the voters have given him a 2nd chanceCasino_Royale said:
Lutfur Rahman should have been barred for life, IMHO.Andy_JS said:
If you're talking about the Tower Hamlets count, the police have had to be in attendance at the last 4 or 5 counts IIRC, because unauthorised people were in the habit of walking into the count and potentially interfering with the process.CorrectHorseBattery said:Why were the Police in attendance, can somebody explain that?
He won't have changed, and will now get up to his old tricks again.
Democracy is a bugger sometimes0 -
"Reasonably necessary" is the important bit.CorrectHorseBattery said:Rules in place at time of Keir Starmer evening meal.
1.—(1) No person may participate in a gathering in the Step 1 area which—
(a)consists of two or more people, and
(b)takes place indoors.
(2) Sub-paragraph (1) does not apply if any of the exceptions set out in paragraph 4 or 5 apply.
and then this in paragraph 4:
(6) Exception 3 is that the gathering is reasonably necessary—
(a)for work purposes or for the provision of voluntary or charitable services;
Thoughts?
Incidentally, it's been mentioned that Johnson went into a pub after the by election or something. Also not necessary. Of course, for him it doesn't matter. Might as well hang for a sheep as a lamb.0 -
Boris will ride it out. Labour will be broken; an emboldened right-wing media will seek more of Boris's enemies to destroy; the Tories will secretly marvel at what a sly old bugger Boris been yet again. Boris is invincible.Stuartinromford said:I can see what's in this for The Mail. It's the same as Growlergate. They publish a silly story, people laugh at them, they go a bit bonkers saying THIS IS A STORY. Because unlike The Sun, The Mail takes itself seriously and wants to be taken seriously. The worst thing you do to The Mail is not take them seriously.
I can see what's in this for the Conservatives, provided it doesn't go anywhere. It creates noise for a bit to get the greased pig out of a hole.
But the Conservatives are playing with fire here. If Starmer gets fined and walks, how the hell can BoJo stay when the next fine lands? I'm sure he'll try, but how?
It's one thing to blow the bloody doors off...0 -
BJO this is really bad mate, you're a lost cause if you're happy that fraudsters are allowed to win elections.bigjohnowls said:
He wasnt, the voters have given him a 2nd chanceCasino_Royale said:
Lutfur Rahman should have been barred for life, IMHO.Andy_JS said:
If you're talking about the Tower Hamlets count, the police have had to be in attendance at the last 4 or 5 counts IIRC, because unauthorised people were in the habit of walking into the count and potentially interfering with the process.CorrectHorseBattery said:Why were the Police in attendance, can somebody explain that?
He won't have changed, and will now get up to his old tricks again.
Democracy is a bugger sometimes
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They weren't the only ones there!CorrectHorseBattery said:Quite honestly Angela Rayner being present to me says it was working, can't imagine her and Keir hang out at the pub for fun...
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The words repulsive and shits are both in there.Northern_Al said:I expect the word 'uncoalitionable' to appear in the next OED, as it's certainly not there now. As ever, PB sets the trend. And I agree with the header - the current Tories are Johnny No Mates.
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It's an ok result for Labour - not great, not terrible. It's progress albeit slow but we have to acknowledge that SKS is not a great leader.bigjohnowls said:
Are you happy with the 32 seat Gain in England?CorrectHorseBattery said:
The bit after doesn't say they stopped working. It says back Radison whatever that is.tlg86 said:
So you're arguing that this memo proves that curry was a the pre-planned working dinner, but we can ignore the bit after?CorrectHorseBattery said:
The memo doesn't prove that to not be true.tlg86 said:
Starmer said they went back to work after eating.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Who said they spontaneously chose to get a takeaway curry? The story has always been we were working late and had curry. Which is what the memo confirms to be true. They planned it out, like all organisations do.williamglenn said:
There was nothing planned after the dinner except going back to the hotel so it doesn't match the previous story that they were working late and spontaneously decided to get a takeaway curry.CorrectHorseBattery said:8:40 to 10, an hour and twenty minutes for a meal seems pretty fair.
It even says what they will do afterwards, i.e. no party that went on.
So I think Starmer is home and clear, seems like he was telling the truth.
They probably continued working there.
I think Drakeford made twice as many in little old Wales
What do you put the massively differential performances down to?
ie a loss in every Region of England except London
Spinning this as a triumph yesterday morning makes you look a bit silly IMO
We need to move on from the disaster that was Corbyn. I actually quite like him but he took Labour to their worst defeat since 1935 and as we all know he's far from the brightest pea in the pod - how he got 2 Es at A-level, God only knows; the dumbing down of A-levels must have started eons ago.
Anyway, its onwards and forwards for Labour - it may not lead to the promised land but there is at least something to play for.
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I am so very glad I have got out of it.Farooq said:
Tribalism is a hell of a drugCorrectHorseBattery said:
You're literally cheering on somebody winning an election having been banned for fraud five years ago.bigjohnowls said:
Brilliantwooliedyed said:Aspire GAIN Tower Hamlets council from Labour with a majority of 3 (2 wards to declare, probably Lab holds)
Rahman has his council to go with his mayoralty
This is the depths you have gone to.
Keir will have to resign if he gets fined and I would very strongly support such an action.0 -
East Derry:
2 DUP
1 SF
1 SDLP
and Claire Sugden0 -
How does Johnson stay? Easy. By not leaving. He has no intention of resigning no matter how many fines and how embarrassing it all becomes. I suspect he will view Starmer as a loser for resigning over what Johnson thinks is trivia.Stuartinromford said:I can see what's in this for The Mail. It's the same as Growlergate. They publish a silly story, people laugh at them, they go a bit bonkers saying THIS IS A STORY. Because unlike The Sun, The Mail takes itself seriously and wants to be taken seriously. The worst thing you do to The Mail is not take them seriously.
I can see what's in this for the Conservatives, provided it doesn't go anywhere. It creates noise for a bit to get the greased pig out of a hole.
But the Conservatives are playing with fire here. If Starmer gets fined and walks, how the hell can BoJo stay when the next fine lands? I'm sure he'll try, but how?
It's one thing to blow the bloody doors off...
Tory MPs clearly aren't going to challenge him. Every time it seems that might be a bit closer they all start rolling out excuses about needing to wait just a little bit longer.0 -
Very different rules to April 20 or Nov-Dec 20.CorrectHorseBattery said:Rules in place at time of Keir Starmer evening meal.
1.—(1) No person may participate in a gathering in the Step 1 area which—
(a)consists of two or more people, and
(b)takes place indoors.
(2) Sub-paragraph (1) does not apply if any of the exceptions set out in paragraph 4 or 5 apply.
and then this in paragraph 4:
(6) Exception 3 is that the gathering is reasonably necessary—
(a)for work purposes or for the provision of voluntary or charitable services;
Thoughts?
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But if Starmer resigns, not only does somebody like Streeting take over who is decent - but Johnson looks like a man with no honour.0
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He has served his timeCorrectHorseBattery said:
BJO.bigjohnowls said:
Its another nail in the Starmer coffinCorrectHorseBattery said:
You're literally cheering on somebody winning an election having been banned for fraud five years ago.bigjohnowls said:
Brilliantwooliedyed said:Aspire GAIN Tower Hamlets council from Labour with a majority of 3 (2 wards to declare, probably Lab holds)
Rahman has his council to go with his mayoralty
This is the depths you have gone to.
Voters just kicked Labour out for a bunch of Socialists whats not to like
I am saying to you, whatever our differences, please don't cheer on a convicted fraudster winning an election. Please don't do that.
Please respect democracy
Labour shouldnt be in this position
SKS is useless
Anyone defending him after yesterdays results must want Labour to lose is the only conclusion I can reach
Tory enablers i think is the phrase0 -
They probably had to keep them socially distanced to prevent a fist fight breaking outtlg86 said:
They weren't the only ones there!CorrectHorseBattery said:Quite honestly Angela Rayner being present to me says it was working, can't imagine her and Keir hang out at the pub for fun...
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Can someone please explain to me how our travesty of an entry into the Eurovision song contest is 3rd favourite in the betting?
It's like a metro hairy biker doing bad karaoke after a skinful down on a Friday night, with the aid of a mate to cup his balls.0 -
DUP and UUP most likely to do deal with this PM, despite recent less-than-happy history.StuartDickson said:
Nope. Mike is right. The Tories are simply too repulsive.Applicant said:This is an opinion, not a fact. In the event of a hung parliament, what happens next will depend on exact seat counts.
Just like in 2010.
AND can we totally rule out, seemingly highly-remote possibility, that Boris Johnson might emulate his alleged mentor, by offering Irish Nationalist up to & including Sinn Féin the same deal (or similar) "A Nation Once Again" deal of a lifetime, that Winston Churchill offered to Éamon de Valera during WW2?0 -
I'm going to have to put you on the ignore list mate, I can't deal with people who are so far down the rabbit hole like this. Hope you'll be able to get out one day.bigjohnowls said:
He has served his timeCorrectHorseBattery said:
BJO.bigjohnowls said:
Its another nail in the Starmer coffinCorrectHorseBattery said:
You're literally cheering on somebody winning an election having been banned for fraud five years ago.bigjohnowls said:
Brilliantwooliedyed said:Aspire GAIN Tower Hamlets council from Labour with a majority of 3 (2 wards to declare, probably Lab holds)
Rahman has his council to go with his mayoralty
This is the depths you have gone to.
Voters just kicked Labour out for a bunch of Socialists whats not to like
I am saying to you, whatever our differences, please don't cheer on a convicted fraudster winning an election. Please don't do that.
Please respect democracy
Labour shouldnt be in this position
SKS is useless
Anyone defending him after yesterdays results must want Labour to lose is the only conclusion I can reach
Tory enablers i think is the phrase1 -
They planned a minor party. They planned for Rayner to be there. They had it indoors when there were plenty of alternatives. It was an end of work function with 30 people. They lied about all of thisCorrectHorseBattery said:
Would like somebody to bring me down a peg as I am trying to be objective about this - if he does get fined he must go.Taz said:
We will see. I have always said it was a non story but we will see.CorrectHorseBattery said:
It exonerates him, I don't see how this is anything but good news for Starmer.Taz said:I wonder if this may change anything. Andrew Neil tweeted a link to it.
https://www.mailplus.co.uk/edition/news/politics/179032/mail-on-sunday-exclusive-keir-starmers-beergate-story-blown-apart-by-leaked-memo
But I don't see how a planned meal with social distancing guidelines followed between two events that were campaign related can be interpreted as anything other than totally necessary.
Can somebody explain what I am missing?
None of this would really matter - who didn’t break the rules in some way, albeit maybe not as obviously as this - if 1. They hadn’t lied and 2. Starmer hadn’t called on Boris to resign just for an investigation. Starmer is now being investigated
I can’t see how Starmer can avoid resigning - or looking like a total hypocrite and seriously damaging the brand
This is bad for Labour, as Partygate was bad for Boris
I agree it looks very bad. His fate is in the hands of Durham police although as a lawyer Starmer might fancy taking it to court and challenge rather than pay the FPN. That might drag it out a bit given the state of the courts.0 -
CHB could you answer re this pleasebigjohnowls said:
Are you happy with the 32 seat Gain in England?CorrectHorseBattery said:
The bit after doesn't say they stopped working. It says back Radison whatever that is.tlg86 said:
So you're arguing that this memo proves that curry was a the pre-planned working dinner, but we can ignore the bit after?CorrectHorseBattery said:
The memo doesn't prove that to not be true.tlg86 said:
Starmer said they went back to work after eating.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Who said they spontaneously chose to get a takeaway curry? The story has always been we were working late and had curry. Which is what the memo confirms to be true. They planned it out, like all organisations do.williamglenn said:
There was nothing planned after the dinner except going back to the hotel so it doesn't match the previous story that they were working late and spontaneously decided to get a takeaway curry.CorrectHorseBattery said:8:40 to 10, an hour and twenty minutes for a meal seems pretty fair.
It even says what they will do afterwards, i.e. no party that went on.
So I think Starmer is home and clear, seems like he was telling the truth.
They probably continued working there.
I think Drakeford made twice as many in little old Wales
What do you put the massively differential performances down to?
ie a loss in every Region of England except London
Spinning this as a triumph yesterday morning makes you look a bit silly IMO
Except its now down to 29 gains in the whole of England and net losses in every Region except London0 -
NEW: The Sunday Times has a Labour source present at the Durham party who confirms NO work was done after the curry and beer, as per Mail on Sunday's leaked op note.
The Times' source is willing to help Durham police with their inquiries.
https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1522993673822257152
Well, Keir might need to start thinking about how best to get a successor into place1 -
Man Utd.
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They're winning fair number of seats with aid of TUV transfers. On other hand, the late Rev. Dr. Ian Paisley the Elder showed that "No Surrender" can yield to "Let's Make a Deal" provided (to cite another US TV game show) "The Price is Right".Carnyx said:
It will be interesting to see if the DUP do throw their dinosaurs, sorry teddies, out of the pram.SeaShantyIrish2 said:North Belfast declared = SF 2, DUP 2, Alliance 1
> final two seats as predicted DUP 1, Alliance 1
NI totals with 81/90 decided =
SF 23, DUP 23, Alln 17, UUP 9, SDLP 6, TUV 1, PBP 1, Ind Unionist 1
Footnote - "No Surrender" would make a wonderful new game show for Joe Rogan and . . . wait for it . . . 45!1 -
I agree it looks very bad. His fate is in the hands of Durham police although as a lawyer Starmer might fancy taking it to court and challenge rather than pay the FPN. That might drag it out a bit given the state of the courts.rottenborough said:
They planned a minor party. They planned for Rayner to be there. They had it indoors when there were plenty of alternatives. It was an end of work function with 30 people. They lied about all of thisCorrectHorseBattery said:
Would like somebody to bring me down a peg as I am trying to be objective about this - if he does get fined he must go.Taz said:
We will see. I have always said it was a non story but we will see.CorrectHorseBattery said:
It exonerates him, I don't see how this is anything but good news for Starmer.Taz said:I wonder if this may change anything. Andrew Neil tweeted a link to it.
https://www.mailplus.co.uk/edition/news/politics/179032/mail-on-sunday-exclusive-keir-starmers-beergate-story-blown-apart-by-leaked-memo
But I don't see how a planned meal with social distancing guidelines followed between two events that were campaign related can be interpreted as anything other than totally necessary.
Can somebody explain what I am missing?
None of this would really matter - who didn’t break the rules in some way, albeit maybe not as obviously as this - if 1. They hadn’t lied and 2. Starmer hadn’t called on Boris to resign just for an investigation. Starmer is now being investigated
I can’t see how Starmer can avoid resigning - or looking like a total hypocrite and seriously damaging the brand
This is bad for Labour, as Partygate was bad for Boris
If he fights any fine labour are done. Basically saying rules were for the little people1 -
When the electorate falls for the canard that an anti Semitic traitor is an anti Semitic traitor frinstancebigjohnowls said:
He wasnt, the voters have given him a 2nd chanceCasino_Royale said:
Lutfur Rahman should have been barred for life, IMHO.Andy_JS said:
If you're talking about the Tower Hamlets count, the police have had to be in attendance at the last 4 or 5 counts IIRC, because unauthorised people were in the habit of walking into the count and potentially interfering with the process.CorrectHorseBattery said:Why were the Police in attendance, can somebody explain that?
He won't have changed, and will now get up to his old tricks again.
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Indeed, there is an opportunity for both Labour and the Tories if they get it right. The Tories should absolutely ditch Johnson, but I wouldn't count on it happening.CorrectHorseBattery said:But if Starmer resigns, not only does somebody like Streeting take over who is decent - but Johnson looks like a man with no honour.
But equally, don't expect Starmer to go quietly. He's probably already imagining himself walking down Downing Street. He won't give it up without a fight.0 -
Presumably punters are piling in thinking it might be different this time, what with Boris being the military saviour of Europe and all that.Casino_Royale said:Can someone please explain to me how our travesty of an entry into the Eurovision song contest is 3rd favourite in the betting?
It's like a metro hairy biker doing bad karaoke after a skinful down on a Friday night, with the aid of a mate to cup his balls.0 -
If the Sunday Times source is right, can't really disagree that it looks like they broke the rules.
Oh dear Keir, oh dear me0 -
It's the cover up that gets you. Watergate was a nothing burger till Nixon went full on Tonto about covering it upCorrectHorseBattery said:NEW: The Sunday Times has a Labour source present at the Durham party who confirms NO work was done after the curry and beer, as per Mail on Sunday's leaked op note.
The Times' source is willing to help Durham police with their inquiries.
https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1522993673822257152
Well, Keir might need to start thinking about how best to get a successor into place1 -
Have you seen the Sunday Times?Farooq said:
Yes. My feeling is this is no breach and is being ramped by desperate opponents. But I'm happy to join them in calling for his resignation if they are right and I'm wrong.CorrectHorseBattery said:
I am so very glad I have got out of it.Farooq said:
Tribalism is a hell of a drugCorrectHorseBattery said:
You're literally cheering on somebody winning an election having been banned for fraud five years ago.bigjohnowls said:
Brilliantwooliedyed said:Aspire GAIN Tower Hamlets council from Labour with a majority of 3 (2 wards to declare, probably Lab holds)
Rahman has his council to go with his mayoralty
This is the depths you have gone to.
Keir will have to resign if he gets fined and I would very strongly support such an action.0 -
Yet another failure, to recruit an established artist and write an annoyingly catchy pop tune.Casino_Royale said:Can someone please explain to me how our travesty of an entry into the Eurovision song contest is 3rd favourite in the betting?
It's like a metro hairy biker doing bad karaoke after a skinful down on a Friday night, with the aid of a mate to cup his balls.
Yet the charts are full of British artists and writers.0 -
Oh FFS. Do you really believe that?Carnyx said:
Doesn't prove that. Work overruns,. they get on with finishing it after the gulab jamm.Stark_Dawning said:
Because the curry was the last thing listed on the memo it presumably implies that nothing else happened after the curry, so we have.CorrectHorseBattery said:
The memo doesn't prove that to not be true.tlg86 said:
Starmer said they went back to work after eating.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Who said they spontaneously chose to get a takeaway curry? The story has always been we were working late and had curry. Which is what the memo confirms to be true. They planned it out, like all organisations do.williamglenn said:
There was nothing planned after the dinner except going back to the hotel so it doesn't match the previous story that they were working late and spontaneously decided to get a takeaway curry.CorrectHorseBattery said:8:40 to 10, an hour and twenty minutes for a meal seems pretty fair.
It even says what they will do afterwards, i.e. no party that went on.
So I think Starmer is home and clear, seems like he was telling the truth.
Work event.
Work event ends.
Curry.
So the curry is an isolated, non-work-related social event of the kind that was strictly forbidden. If the author had just written three words - 'Work event resumes' - as the last item then history would be entirely different.
But Starmer called for Boris to resign simply because he was being investigated by police. Now Starmer is being investigated by policeFarooq said:
Yes. My feeling is this is no breach and is being ramped by desperate opponents. But I'm happy to join them in calling for his resignation if they are right and I'm wrong.CorrectHorseBattery said:
I am so very glad I have got out of it.Farooq said:
Tribalism is a hell of a drugCorrectHorseBattery said:
You're literally cheering on somebody winning an election having been banned for fraud five years ago.bigjohnowls said:
Brilliantwooliedyed said:Aspire GAIN Tower Hamlets council from Labour with a majority of 3 (2 wards to declare, probably Lab holds)
Rahman has his council to go with his mayoralty
This is the depths you have gone to.
Keir will have to resign if he gets fined and I would very strongly support such an action.
Thoughts?0 -
Legal eagles will have to chime in more but how much weight does "to the best of my knowledge" have?0
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No Leon, Starmer called for Johnson to resign after lying to the HoC, saying no parties took place.Leon said:
Oh FFS. Do you really believe that?Carnyx said:
Doesn't prove that. Work overruns,. they get on with finishing it after the gulab jamm.Stark_Dawning said:
Because the curry was the last thing listed on the memo it presumably implies that nothing else happened after the curry, so we have.CorrectHorseBattery said:
The memo doesn't prove that to not be true.tlg86 said:
Starmer said they went back to work after eating.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Who said they spontaneously chose to get a takeaway curry? The story has always been we were working late and had curry. Which is what the memo confirms to be true. They planned it out, like all organisations do.williamglenn said:
There was nothing planned after the dinner except going back to the hotel so it doesn't match the previous story that they were working late and spontaneously decided to get a takeaway curry.CorrectHorseBattery said:8:40 to 10, an hour and twenty minutes for a meal seems pretty fair.
It even says what they will do afterwards, i.e. no party that went on.
So I think Starmer is home and clear, seems like he was telling the truth.
Work event.
Work event ends.
Curry.
So the curry is an isolated, non-work-related social event of the kind that was strictly forbidden. If the author had just written three words - 'Work event resumes' - as the last item then history would be entirely different.
But Starmer called for Boris to resign simply because he was being investigated by police. Now Starmer is being investigated by policeFarooq said:
Yes. My feeling is this is no breach and is being ramped by desperate opponents. But I'm happy to join them in calling for his resignation if they are right and I'm wrong.CorrectHorseBattery said:
I am so very glad I have got out of it.Farooq said:
Tribalism is a hell of a drugCorrectHorseBattery said:
You're literally cheering on somebody winning an election having been banned for fraud five years ago.bigjohnowls said:
Brilliantwooliedyed said:Aspire GAIN Tower Hamlets council from Labour with a majority of 3 (2 wards to declare, probably Lab holds)
Rahman has his council to go with his mayoralty
This is the depths you have gone to.
Keir will have to resign if he gets fined and I would very strongly support such an action.
Thoughts?0 -
Corbyn and Abbotts pronouncements lead me to believe they know what's about to come out, the left is swinging back0
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I am thinking of laying it but then there's a voice in my head saying if I think the song is shite then it's probably an amazing contender for Eurovision, as they are totally devoid of taste.Stark_Dawning said:
Presumably punters are piling in thinking it might be different this time, what with Boris being the military saviour of Europe and all that.Casino_Royale said:Can someone please explain to me how our travesty of an entry into the Eurovision song contest is 3rd favourite in the betting?
It's like a metro hairy biker doing bad karaoke after a skinful down on a Friday night, with the aid of a mate to cup his balls.
I need the opinion of veterans like @TSE .0 -
As I said earlier - Burnham is 5.2 on BF for next leader and as the evening wears on it looks more and more likely that there will be a leadership election way before Burnham becomes an MP.wooliedyed said:
It's the cover up that gets you. Watergate was a nothing burger till Nixon went full on Tonto about covering it upCorrectHorseBattery said:NEW: The Sunday Times has a Labour source present at the Durham party who confirms NO work was done after the curry and beer, as per Mail on Sunday's leaked op note.
The Times' source is willing to help Durham police with their inquiries.
https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1522993673822257152
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SKS fans are the Tory enablersCorrectHorseBattery said:
I'm going to have to put you on the ignore list mate, I can't deal with people who are so far down the rabbit hole like this. Hope you'll be able to get out one day.bigjohnowls said:
He has served his timeCorrectHorseBattery said:
BJO.bigjohnowls said:
Its another nail in the Starmer coffinCorrectHorseBattery said:
You're literally cheering on somebody winning an election having been banned for fraud five years ago.bigjohnowls said:
Brilliantwooliedyed said:Aspire GAIN Tower Hamlets council from Labour with a majority of 3 (2 wards to declare, probably Lab holds)
Rahman has his council to go with his mayoralty
This is the depths you have gone to.
Voters just kicked Labour out for a bunch of Socialists whats not to like
I am saying to you, whatever our differences, please don't cheer on a convicted fraudster winning an election. Please don't do that.
Please respect democracy
Labour shouldnt be in this position
SKS is useless
Anyone defending him after yesterdays results must want Labour to lose is the only conclusion I can reach
Tory enablers i think is the phrase
You want be able to ignore the GE result0 -
If Croydon falls tonight Starmer might find friends are transientrottenborough said:
As I said earlier - Burnham is 5.2 on BF for next leader and as the evening wears on it looks more and more likely that there will be a leadership election way before Burnham becomes an MP.wooliedyed said:
It's the cover up that gets you. Watergate was a nothing burger till Nixon went full on Tonto about covering it upCorrectHorseBattery said:NEW: The Sunday Times has a Labour source present at the Durham party who confirms NO work was done after the curry and beer, as per Mail on Sunday's leaked op note.
The Times' source is willing to help Durham police with their inquiries.
https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1522993673822257152
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Burnham will never be Labour leader.rottenborough said:
As I said earlier - Burnham is 5.2 on BF for next leader and as the evening wears on it looks more and more likely that there will be a leadership election way before Burnham becomes an MP.wooliedyed said:
It's the cover up that gets you. Watergate was a nothing burger till Nixon went full on Tonto about covering it upCorrectHorseBattery said:NEW: The Sunday Times has a Labour source present at the Durham party who confirms NO work was done after the curry and beer, as per Mail on Sunday's leaked op note.
The Times' source is willing to help Durham police with their inquiries.
https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1522993673822257152
Well, Keir might need to start thinking about how best to get a successor into place
But Streeting might be.0 -
One one level, we know that already. But... to have it made that explicit, that blatant, are Conservative MPs really up for that? I can see the calculation- hell, I wrote it down earlier today- but are they really that soulless and spineless? Perhaps.CorrectHorseBattery said:But if Starmer resigns, not only does somebody like Streeting take over who is decent - but Johnson looks like a man with no honour.
Besides. Starmer had an important, necessary job; move
Labour on from the Corbyn fiasco. He's done that with admirable efficiency, and perhaps he was the only one who could. If a new generation leader with more pizzazz moves in before 2024, that isn't really in the Conservatives' interest.
(PS on TH; Rahman is no more a True Socialist than Degsy Hatton was. In both cases, it's all about ego. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either a fool or in on the grift.)0 -
But none of those artists would want to sully their reputations by getting involved with crap like Eurovision. At best they'd be taken less seriously; at worst career death.Sandpit said:
Yet another failure, to recruit an established artist and write an annoyingly catchy pop tune.Casino_Royale said:Can someone please explain to me how our travesty of an entry into the Eurovision song contest is 3rd favourite in the betting?
It's like a metro hairy biker doing bad karaoke after a skinful down on a Friday night, with the aid of a mate to cup his balls.
Yet the charts are full of British artists and writers.0 -
He called for him to resign over the investigation:CorrectHorseBattery said:
No Leon, Starmer called for Johnson to resign after lying to the HoC, saying no parties took place.Leon said:
Oh FFS. Do you really believe that?Carnyx said:
Doesn't prove that. Work overruns,. they get on with finishing it after the gulab jamm.Stark_Dawning said:
Because the curry was the last thing listed on the memo it presumably implies that nothing else happened after the curry, so we have.CorrectHorseBattery said:
The memo doesn't prove that to not be true.tlg86 said:
Starmer said they went back to work after eating.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Who said they spontaneously chose to get a takeaway curry? The story has always been we were working late and had curry. Which is what the memo confirms to be true. They planned it out, like all organisations do.williamglenn said:
There was nothing planned after the dinner except going back to the hotel so it doesn't match the previous story that they were working late and spontaneously decided to get a takeaway curry.CorrectHorseBattery said:8:40 to 10, an hour and twenty minutes for a meal seems pretty fair.
It even says what they will do afterwards, i.e. no party that went on.
So I think Starmer is home and clear, seems like he was telling the truth.
Work event.
Work event ends.
Curry.
So the curry is an isolated, non-work-related social event of the kind that was strictly forbidden. If the author had just written three words - 'Work event resumes' - as the last item then history would be entirely different.
But Starmer called for Boris to resign simply because he was being investigated by police. Now Starmer is being investigated by policeFarooq said:
Yes. My feeling is this is no breach and is being ramped by desperate opponents. But I'm happy to join them in calling for his resignation if they are right and I'm wrong.CorrectHorseBattery said:
I am so very glad I have got out of it.Farooq said:
Tribalism is a hell of a drugCorrectHorseBattery said:
You're literally cheering on somebody winning an election having been banned for fraud five years ago.bigjohnowls said:
Brilliantwooliedyed said:Aspire GAIN Tower Hamlets council from Labour with a majority of 3 (2 wards to declare, probably Lab holds)
Rahman has his council to go with his mayoralty
This is the depths you have gone to.
Keir will have to resign if he gets fined and I would very strongly support such an action.
Thoughts?
@Keir_Starmer
Honesty and decency matter.
After months of denials the Prime Minister is now under criminal investigations for breaking his own lockdown laws.
He needs to do the decent thing and resign.
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/14881766266429235210 -
If he takes it to court is it a jury trial for a fine like this or just the magistrates?tlg86 said:
Indeed, there is an opportunity for both Labour and the Tories if they get it right. The Tories should absolutely ditch Johnson, but I wouldn't count on it happening.CorrectHorseBattery said:But if Starmer resigns, not only does somebody like Streeting take over who is decent - but Johnson looks like a man with no honour.
But equally, don't expect Starmer to go quietly. He's probably already imagining himself walking down Downing Street. He won't give it up without a fight.0 -
"Police were called over to the counting table at a city's local elections after a dispute broke out over a ballot paper.
The disagreement was over the Thorpe ward seat at Southend-on-Sea City Council in Essex, which ended in a dead heat. However, a disputed paper was challenged by independent group leader Martin Terry and ruled in his favour. Mr Terry won the seat by 1,230 votes to 1,229 for the Conservatives. The Tories said they thought it was "wrong" that the paper was accepted."
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Fun fact - names of neighboring constituencies of Foyle and East Londonderry were specifically chosen by NI boundary commission, to give "parity of esteem" to the two communities.Sunil_Prasannan said:East Derry:
2 DUP
1 SF
1 SDLP
and Claire Sugden
One dis-inclined to prefix the town's name with that of the English > British capital.
The other usually dropping the prefix in common speech, but insisting or at least identifying with it for historico-political reasons.
As someone whose heritage gives me a foot (or some other body part) in both camps, respect both points of view.
Although squaring that in actual practice (such as when purchasing a bus ticket to get there from Belfast) can be challenging.0 -
I'm delighted to see that Peter Golds hung on in Tower Hamlets.
In response to BJO, neither Rahman nor Aspire are socialists. They're are straightforward sectarians.4 -
Actually, I'm not 100% convinced by OGH's argument. I think Labour will want to avoid a formal coalition (or even C&S) with the SNP, but will trust that they will not actually vote against and bring down the government.
You therefore need Lab+LD to exceed Con+DUP.3 -
Surely not a jury! Big call if he did do that. He could do some serious damage to Labour by not just sucking it up like Boris et al.rottenborough said:
If he takes it to court is it a jury trial for a fine like this or just the magistrates?tlg86 said:
Indeed, there is an opportunity for both Labour and the Tories if they get it right. The Tories should absolutely ditch Johnson, but I wouldn't count on it happening.CorrectHorseBattery said:But if Starmer resigns, not only does somebody like Streeting take over who is decent - but Johnson looks like a man with no honour.
But equally, don't expect Starmer to go quietly. He's probably already imagining himself walking down Downing Street. He won't give it up without a fight.0 -
Labour have a better chance of a game-changing election WIN with someone like Rayner or Streeting than they do with the utterly dreary Starmer. Esp if Starmer loses his dull-but-honest USP, which now seems probableStuartinromford said:
One one level, we know that already. But... to have it made that explicit, that blatant, are Conservative MPs really up for that? I can see the calculation- hell, I wrote it down earlier today- but are they really that soulless and spineless? Perhaps.CorrectHorseBattery said:But if Starmer resigns, not only does somebody like Streeting take over who is decent - but Johnson looks like a man with no honour.
Besides. Starmer had an important, necessary job; move
Labour on from the Corbyn fiasco. He's done that with admirable efficiency, and perhaps he was the only one who could. If a new generation leader with more pizzazz moves in before 2024, that isn't really in the Conservatives' interest.
(PS on TH; Rahman is no more a True Socialist than Degsy Hatton was. In both cases, it's all about ego. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either a fool or in on the grift.)
A Starmer who is nearly as shifty as Boris - but much more boring and with no policies, is a hard sell0 -
"Pleased" I dont have to imagine do IFarooq said:
Do you think if Labour lose an election with SKS as Labour leader that your POV will be vindicated?bigjohnowls said:
SKS fans are the Tory enablersCorrectHorseBattery said:
I'm going to have to put you on the ignore list mate, I can't deal with people who are so far down the rabbit hole like this. Hope you'll be able to get out one day.bigjohnowls said:
He has served his timeCorrectHorseBattery said:
BJO.bigjohnowls said:
Its another nail in the Starmer coffinCorrectHorseBattery said:
You're literally cheering on somebody winning an election having been banned for fraud five years ago.bigjohnowls said:
Brilliantwooliedyed said:Aspire GAIN Tower Hamlets council from Labour with a majority of 3 (2 wards to declare, probably Lab holds)
Rahman has his council to go with his mayoralty
This is the depths you have gone to.
Voters just kicked Labour out for a bunch of Socialists whats not to like
I am saying to you, whatever our differences, please don't cheer on a convicted fraudster winning an election. Please don't do that.
Please respect democracy
Labour shouldnt be in this position
SKS is useless
Anyone defending him after yesterdays results must want Labour to lose is the only conclusion I can reach
Tory enablers i think is the phrase
You want be able to ignore the GE result
Well, imagine how Labour people who didn't like Corbyn feel after he lost two.0 -
If Starmer does get a fine, surely no question Johnson should get one for the wine work thingy that was pictured?0
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Astute.Leon said:
Labour have a better chance of a game-changing election WIN with someone like Rayner or Streeting than they do with the utterly dreary Starmer. Esp if Starmer loses his dull-but-honest USP, which now seems probableStuartinromford said:
One one level, we know that already. But... to have it made that explicit, that blatant, are Conservative MPs really up for that? I can see the calculation- hell, I wrote it down earlier today- but are they really that soulless and spineless? Perhaps.CorrectHorseBattery said:But if Starmer resigns, not only does somebody like Streeting take over who is decent - but Johnson looks like a man with no honour.
Besides. Starmer had an important, necessary job; move
Labour on from the Corbyn fiasco. He's done that with admirable efficiency, and perhaps he was the only one who could. If a new generation leader with more pizzazz moves in before 2024, that isn't really in the Conservatives' interest.
(PS on TH; Rahman is no more a True Socialist than Degsy Hatton was. In both cases, it's all about ego. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either a fool or in on the grift.)
A Starmer who is nearly as shifty as Boris - but much more boring and with no policies, is a hard sell0 -
They would for the right sum. I said that FF are the most corrupt political party in Western Europe. The DUP are the second most corrupt.rottenborough said:I'm not convinced the DUP wouldn't do a deal in the end with Tories.
They shot themselves in the foot, as usual, with the St. Andrews Agreement. Prior to that, the largest bloc nominated the First Minister. They insisted on changing that to the largest party. Had they stuck to the original agreement, the First Minister would come from 37 Unionists, rather than 35 Nationalists.1
