The big fact about the next election – politicalbetting.com
Let's remember that Johnson’s Tories are uncoalitionable and need a majority to remain in power. Starmer, however, can become PM even if the Tories win most votes and seats provided they lose their majority
Well that is a new one on me and it took me a few minutes to work out how it worked and it looks very interesting. More info from anyone please? First thought is if there are say 6 candidates it will take a long time to vote and there will be matches where I don't have an opinion and I can't reasonably be expected to have an opinion between certain candidates.
I expect the word 'uncoalitionable' to appear in the next OED, as it's certainly not there now. As ever, PB sets the trend. And I agree with the header - the current Tories are Johnny No Mates.
This is an opinion, not a fact. In the event of a hung parliament, what happens next will depend on exact seat counts.
Just like in 2010.
It is fair to say that if the Tories are the largest party by some *considerable* number, it would probably be worth letting them take the pain of the next couple of year and voting down anything beyond the pale. When they descend into acrimony, it might be easier for Labour to win a second election.
The electoral landing zone for NOM is huge. Reckon it became more likely.
Agreed. It feels very hung parliament like at the moment - the governing party is losing support but mostly not to the main opposition party.
Labour really have to start coming up with some policies. The excuse given over the last couple of days that if they do, the Tories will nick them is risible.
I expect the word 'uncoalitionable' to appear in the next OED, as it's certainly not there now. As ever, PB sets the trend. And I agree with the header - the current Tories are Johnny No Mates.
I expect the word 'uncoalitionable' to appear in the next OED, as it's certainly not there now. As ever, PB sets the trend. And I agree with the header - the current Tories are Johnny No Mates.
I expect the word 'uncoalitionable' to appear in the next OED, as it's certainly not there now. As ever, PB sets the trend. And I agree with the header - the current Tories are Johnny No Mates.
members of momentum should contact Diane urgently if they can "help" Keir in his career planning
Do we know if Labour have put in sufficient protection to stop Corbyn II being elected leader when Starmer falls over a FPN? Is this £3 join and vote still available?
I expect the word 'uncoalitionable' to appear in the next OED, as it's certainly not there now. As ever, PB sets the trend. And I agree with the header - the current Tories are Johnny No Mates.
KEIR STARMER has been plunged into a full-scale leadership crisis after The Mail on Sunday obtained a secret Labour Party document which appears to blow apart his version of events over ‘Beergate’.
An operational note drawn up ahead of Sir Keir’s notorious visit to Durham, where he was filmed enjoying a late-night beer with activists, reveals the gathering had been planned in advance.
Kinabalu said - "On that subject - tailoring - I'm about to embark on getting a bespoke suit for the 1st time ever. I'll be going for a snug fit (like Rishi) but not the supershort trousers. Don't think I could carry that off the way he does."
SSI - You might wish to take account of rising sea levels that make high-water pants a sensible investment.
State Go Away said - "i dont mean most voters cannot understand HOW to vote [STV] in terms of numbers ( although it does preclude and spoil some votes the more complicated a system which is not a good thing ) but most voters could then not explain how the votes are COUNTED - that is not transparent and not a good system therefore
SSI - Based on my (admittedly limited) experience with STV in Republic, think you are wrong re: counting. In fact, the system is VERY transparent, as you can demonstrate for yourself with a pretty simple spreadsheet. Easy to see how transfers are flowing including non-transferable votes.
The other thing about coalitioning BJ's Tories is, if things go well, he will personally be given close to 100% of the credit, with a small amount for his party, and none for you.
KEIR STARMER has been plunged into a full-scale leadership crisis after The Mail on Sunday obtained a secret Labour Party document which appears to blow apart his version of events over ‘Beergate’.
An operational note drawn up ahead of Sir Keir’s notorious visit to Durham, where he was filmed enjoying a late-night beer with activists, reveals the gathering had been planned in advance.
Mail on Sunday
I await:
"It's all a stitch-up by the right-wing press!" "He's better than Johnson!" "It was a genuine business meeting, honest guv!" "Labour have been honest throughout this, unlike liar Johnson!" "The police should have better things to do with their time!" "Look, squirrel!"
KEIR STARMER has been plunged into a full-scale leadership crisis after The Mail on Sunday obtained a secret Labour Party document which appears to blow apart his version of events over ‘Beergate’.
An operational note drawn up ahead of Sir Keir’s notorious visit to Durham, where he was filmed enjoying a late-night beer with activists, reveals the gathering had been planned in advance.
Mail on Sunday
I await:
"It's all a stitch-up by the right-wing press!" "He's better than Johnson!" "It was a genuine business meeting, honest guv!" "Labour have been honest throughout this, unlike liar Johnson!" "The police should have better things to do with their time!" "Look, squirrel!"
etc, etc.
Maybe I was wrong on this. I have always said it’s a nothing story.
I'm not convinced the DUP wouldn't do a deal in the end with Tories.
If the Irish Sea border was scrapped.
However on the locals results Labour plus LDs would be more than Tories plus DUP even ignoring the SNP
Hey, do you think Mr Johnson is Stephen Hawking to be able to sort out the mess he has made of NI and Brexit without wrecking relations with the EU and the US, not to mention starting a civil war?
KEIR STARMER has been plunged into a full-scale leadership crisis after The Mail on Sunday obtained a secret Labour Party document which appears to blow apart his version of events over ‘Beergate’.
An operational note drawn up ahead of Sir Keir’s notorious visit to Durham, where he was filmed enjoying a late-night beer with activists, reveals the gathering had been planned in advance.
Mail on Sunday
I await:
"It's all a stitch-up by the right-wing press!" "He's better than Johnson!" "It was a genuine business meeting, honest guv!" "Labour have been honest throughout this, unlike liar Johnson!" "The police should have better things to do with their time!" "Look, squirrel!"
etc, etc.
The Durham police definitely have better things to be doing with their time. As do the Met police in London.
What a difference a week fails to make. Last Saturday I was sat at the runners and riders board at a point to point explaining that sks was an incompetent liar, now here I am by the lake at badminton and sks is still an incompetent liar.
no one will ever go into coalition as long as there are no offers. the day after election day is a different story.
True, but I don't think it incorrect either to suggest that if they are short of a majority the chances of the Tories finding someone to accept an offer, should they make one, are not very high. This isn't like 2010 for them in how open others are to dealing with them. It's not impossible, but seems pretty unrealistic.
They'd have to be pretty close to a majority, and hope that makes Keir's job too hard to gather a working arrangement together, rather than rely on someone accepting an offer to keep them in power after 14 years.
Alanbrooke, sorry to hear you have COVID hopefully NOT a serious case AND that you are starting to feel better and get well.
Or at least as good as you're likely to get!
Re: sectarian influences, just spun the wheel in front of my neighborhood Tibetan Buddhist temple (doesn't every hood have one?) for you and all other PB COVIDteers.
AND don't know IF you'll consider this a complement, but on the way to my local supermarket, found myself whistling "Roddy McCorley" - and thought of you.
So let me get this straight. The juncture at which Sir Keir consumed his curry during this 'work event' determines whether it was legal: at the end DOOM; otherwise okay.
KEIR STARMER has been plunged into a full-scale leadership crisis after The Mail on Sunday obtained a secret Labour Party document which appears to blow apart his version of events over ‘Beergate’.
An operational note drawn up ahead of Sir Keir’s notorious visit to Durham, where he was filmed enjoying a late-night beer with activists, reveals the gathering had been planned in advance.
Mail on Sunday
I await:
"It's all a stitch-up by the right-wing press!" "He's better than Johnson!" "It was a genuine business meeting, honest guv!" "Labour have been honest throughout this, unlike liar Johnson!" "The police should have better things to do with their time!" "Look, squirrel!"
etc, etc.
Maybe I was wrong on this. I have always said it’s a nothing story.
I too thought it was a complete non-story.
But, I am sure Durham Police would not have reopened the investigation unless they absolutely had to.
So, I think that means there has to be serious & credible evidence that warrants an investigation.
KEIR STARMER has been plunged into a full-scale leadership crisis after The Mail on Sunday obtained a secret Labour Party document which appears to blow apart his version of events over ‘Beergate’.
An operational note drawn up ahead of Sir Keir’s notorious visit to Durham, where he was filmed enjoying a late-night beer with activists, reveals the gathering had been planned in advance.
Mail on Sunday
I await:
"It's all a stitch-up by the right-wing press!" "He's better than Johnson!" "It was a genuine business meeting, honest guv!" "Labour have been honest throughout this, unlike liar Johnson!" "The police should have better things to do with their time!" "Look, squirrel!"
etc, etc.
Maybe I was wrong on this. I have always said it’s a nothing story.
I too thought it was a complete non-story.
But, I am sure Durham Police would not have reopened the investigation unless they absolutely had to.
So, I think that means there has to be serious & credible evidence that warrants an investigation.
I agree, Durham police are not the met. They are pretty competent and Joy Allen, the labour PCC, is too and she would never interfere as some have suggested elsewhere.
KEIR STARMER has been plunged into a full-scale leadership crisis after The Mail on Sunday obtained a secret Labour Party document which appears to blow apart his version of events over ‘Beergate’.
An operational note drawn up ahead of Sir Keir’s notorious visit to Durham, where he was filmed enjoying a late-night beer with activists, reveals the gathering had been planned in advance.
Mail on Sunday
I await:
"It's all a stitch-up by the right-wing press!" "He's better than Johnson!" "It was a genuine business meeting, honest guv!" "Labour have been honest throughout this, unlike liar Johnson!" "The police should have better things to do with their time!" "Look, squirrel!"
etc, etc.
Maybe I was wrong on this. I have always said it’s a nothing story.
The media is primed for a “Boris come back” story. It’s all a big soap opera for them. I think the September set of conference speeches determine if Starmer (or the next guy in the unlikely event he does go) becomes PM. Well them, plus the extent of the economic downturn (I don’t think it will be as bad as assumed because I think Ukraine will burn out inside a few months one way or another and Biden will himself engineer a boom).
So let me get this straight. Depending at what juncture during this 'work event' Sir Keir consumed his curry determines whether it was legal: at the end DOOM; otherwise okay.
So let me get this straight. Depending at what juncture during this 'work event' Sir Keir consumed his curry determines whether it was legal: at the end DOOM; otherwise okay.
That's not actually that absurd as it might seem at first glance, since the capacity in which one is acting, and precise position, can determine whether something is ok or not and might shift quite a bit (a common example would be attending an official event, then moving 20 feet outside or something, so not in an official capacity even if you then do something offensive - thank you LIvingstone for that clarity).
But I doubt the public are going to absorb fine details abotu specific times for things, how much leeway they are willing to grant a politician depends on their general feeling to them.
no one will ever go into coalition as long as there are no offers. the day after election day is a different story.
True, but I don't think it incorrect either to suggest that if they are short of a majority the chances of the Tories finding someone to accept an offer, should they make one, are not very high. This isn't like 2010 for them in how open others are to dealing with them. It's not impossible, but seems pretty unrealistic.
They'd have to be pretty close to a majority, and hope that makes Keir's job too hard to gather a working arrangement together, rather than rely on someone accepting an offer to keep them in power after 14 years.
I think that’s right, but I also think there’s space for a Tory minority if the others have been forced to refuse to work with the SNP and it makes sense to stick with that line post election to manoeuvre for the next one.
KEIR STARMER has been plunged into a full-scale leadership crisis after The Mail on Sunday obtained a secret Labour Party document which appears to blow apart his version of events over ‘Beergate’.
An operational note drawn up ahead of Sir Keir’s notorious visit to Durham, where he was filmed enjoying a late-night beer with activists, reveals the gathering had been planned in advance.
Mail on Sunday
I await:
"It's all a stitch-up by the right-wing press!" "He's better than Johnson!" "It was a genuine business meeting, honest guv!" "Labour have been honest throughout this, unlike liar Johnson!" "The police should have better things to do with their time!" "Look, squirrel!"
etc, etc.
Maybe I was wrong on this. I have always said it’s a nothing story.
I too thought it was a complete non-story.
But, I am sure Durham Police would not have reopened the investigation unless they absolutely had to.
So, I think that means there has to be serious & credible evidence that warrants an investigation.
I tried to keep out of it until recently, as lots of left-leaning people ripped into the few on here who said there was something whiffy about the story.
But the Rayner part of the story was where it started to get interesting. It started to look as though they were either incompetent or had something to hide. Neither is a good look.
So let me get this straight. Depending at what juncture during this 'work event' Sir Keir consumed his curry determines whether it was legal: at the end DOOM; otherwise okay.
That seems to be the case.
Crap legislation alert.
Agreed. Crap legislation that SKS supported, though.
KEIR STARMER has been plunged into a full-scale leadership crisis after The Mail on Sunday obtained a secret Labour Party document which appears to blow apart his version of events over ‘Beergate’.
An operational note drawn up ahead of Sir Keir’s notorious visit to Durham, where he was filmed enjoying a late-night beer with activists, reveals the gathering had been planned in advance.
Mail on Sunday
I await:
"It's all a stitch-up by the right-wing press!" "He's better than Johnson!" "It was a genuine business meeting, honest guv!" "Labour have been honest throughout this, unlike liar Johnson!" "The police should have better things to do with their time!" "Look, squirrel!"
etc, etc.
Maybe I was wrong on this. I have always said it’s a nothing story.
I too thought it was a complete non-story.
But, I am sure Durham Police would not have reopened the investigation unless they absolutely had to.
So, I think that means there has to be serious & credible evidence that warrants an investigation.
I tried to keep out of it until recently, as lots of left-leaning people ripped into the few on here who said there was something whiffy about the story.
But the Rayner part of the story was where it started to get interesting. It started to look as though they were either incompetent or had something to hide. Neither is a good look.
Indeed and the way this is portrayed as a lie as well, where it may be or it may just be a mistake, really doesn’t help,either.
KEIR STARMER has been plunged into a full-scale leadership crisis after The Mail on Sunday obtained a secret Labour Party document which appears to blow apart his version of events over ‘Beergate’.
An operational note drawn up ahead of Sir Keir’s notorious visit to Durham, where he was filmed enjoying a late-night beer with activists, reveals the gathering had been planned in advance.
Mail on Sunday
I await:
"It's all a stitch-up by the right-wing press!" "He's better than Johnson!" "It was a genuine business meeting, honest guv!" "Labour have been honest throughout this, unlike liar Johnson!" "The police should have better things to do with their time!" "Look, squirrel!"
etc, etc.
Maybe I was wrong on this. I have always said it’s a nothing story.
The media is primed for a “Boris come back” story. It’s all a big soap opera for them. I think the September set of conference speeches determine if Starmer (or the next guy in the unlikely event he does go) becomes PM. Well them, plus the extent of the economic downturn (I don’t think it will be as bad as assumed because I think Ukraine will burn out inside a few months one way or another and Biden will himself engineer a boom).
I think that's right. The media got bored trying to destroy Boris (and Boris knows how the media work so was shrewd to ride it out) and have now decided to have a crack at pious, superior Sir Keir and his presumptions. If the Durham police issue a fine it will be supernova. The politics of the nation, perhaps for decades to come, now hang on how a single flat foot interprets matters on the day.
Just seen this - don't see how it being pre-planned makes a difference to original reason, they were feeding staff & I assume volunteers.The fact it was pre-arranged with social distancing guidelines makes it more likely to be reasonably necessary not less
So let me get this straight. The juncture at which Sir Keir consumed his curry during this 'work event' determines whether it was legal: at the end DOOM; otherwise okay.
Well, some us always thought these rules were a bit silly. But there's another problem. Starmer has insisted that they continued working after the curry. Is he about to be shown to be a liar, just like Johnson?
So let me get this straight. Depending at what juncture during this 'work event' Sir Keir consumed his curry determines whether it was legal: at the end DOOM; otherwise okay.
That seems to be the case.
Crap legislation alert.
I can't believe that is the issue but if it is it is bollocks. It is such a technicality. The mail is such an appalling paper.
KEIR STARMER has been plunged into a full-scale leadership crisis after The Mail on Sunday obtained a secret Labour Party document which appears to blow apart his version of events over ‘Beergate’.
An operational note drawn up ahead of Sir Keir’s notorious visit to Durham, where he was filmed enjoying a late-night beer with activists, reveals the gathering had been planned in advance.
Mail on Sunday
I thought the gathering had to be planned as it was scheduled before the council elections . Am I missing something ?
It exonerates him, I don't see how this is anything but good news for Starmer.
We will see. I have always said it was a non story but we will see.
Would like somebody to bring me down a peg as I am trying to be objective about this - if he does get fined he must go.
But I don't see how a planned meal with social distancing guidelines followed between two events that were campaign related can be interpreted as anything other than totally necessary.
8:40 to 10, an hour and twenty minutes for a meal seems pretty fair.
It even says what they will do afterwards, i.e. no party that went on.
So I think Starmer is home and clear, seems like he was telling the truth.
There was nothing planned after the dinner except going back to the hotel so it doesn't match the previous story that they were working late and spontaneously decided to get a takeaway curry.
KEIR STARMER has been plunged into a full-scale leadership crisis after The Mail on Sunday obtained a secret Labour Party document which appears to blow apart his version of events over ‘Beergate’.
An operational note drawn up ahead of Sir Keir’s notorious visit to Durham, where he was filmed enjoying a late-night beer with activists, reveals the gathering had been planned in advance.
Mail on Sunday
I thought the gathering had to be planned as it was scheduled before the council elections . Am I missing something ?
Why is it being planned a bad thing, isn't that a good thing. They said follow social distancing guidelines and that it would be part of the working day.
It's like my company posting an agenda for the day, I feel like this actually makes Starmer look better not worse
Long time no play. Labour just lost control of Tower Hamlets council, Aspire will have a majority if they take any of the 4 wards left to declare. One in spitalfieids is almost certain They might lose Croydon, but I have them hanging on by 3...... Keir and beer - he's done a Nixon and let a nothing become a something.
8:40 to 10, an hour and twenty minutes for a meal seems pretty fair.
It even says what they will do afterwards, i.e. no party that went on.
So I think Starmer is home and clear, seems like he was telling the truth.
There was nothing planned after the dinner except going back to the hotel so it doesn't match the previous story that they were working late and spontaneously decided to get a takeaway curry.
Who said they spontaneously chose to get a takeaway curry? The story has always been we were working late and had curry. Which is what the memo confirms to be true. They planned it out, like all organisations do.
8:40 to 10, an hour and twenty minutes for a meal seems pretty fair.
It even says what they will do afterwards, i.e. no party that went on.
So I think Starmer is home and clear, seems like he was telling the truth.
There was nothing planned after the dinner except going back to the hotel so it doesn't match the previous story that they were working late and spontaneously decided to get a takeaway curry.
Who said they spontaneously chose to get a takeaway curry? The story has always been we were working late and had curry. Which is what the memo confirms to be true. They planned it out, like all organisations do.
8:40 to 10, an hour and twenty minutes for a meal seems pretty fair.
It even says what they will do afterwards, i.e. no party that went on.
So I think Starmer is home and clear, seems like he was telling the truth.
There was nothing planned after the dinner except going back to the hotel so it doesn't match the previous story that they were working late and spontaneously decided to get a takeaway curry.
Who said they spontaneously chose to get a takeaway curry? The story has always been we were working late and had curry. Which is what the memo confirms to be true. They planned it out, like all organisations do.
It exonerates him, I don't see how this is anything but good news for Starmer.
We will see. I have always said it was a non story but we will see.
Would like somebody to bring me down a peg as I am trying to be objective about this - if he does get fined he must go.
But I don't see how a planned meal with social distancing guidelines followed between two events that were campaign related can be interpreted as anything other than totally necessary.
Can somebody explain what I am missing?
I agree with you on all counts, but I feel he has to go, and go quickly "to clear his name". Otherwise the Opposition Parties are hamstrung (well Starmer was living it large, poor innocent Boris) when the FPNs and Gray report arrive.
Starmer has had the agenda hijacked. He doesn't know how to play dirty. Johnson and his team have absolutely kippered him.
Alliance gained nine seats. All east of the Bann (counting Upper Bann). West of the Bann, there are six out of the 18 constituencies, and it is looking likely that they will have no change in party strength at all. Four Alliance gains were from the SDLP and two were from the Greens. The SDLP are the least sectarian of the four pillars of the old party system. I'd conclude that this election turned out to be a reshuffle of the non-sectarian vote and that the real earthquake is yet to be seen.
I must say, it is strange the "whistleblower" sat on the bombshell evidence for so long, almost like they chose to deploy it politically near to the LEs
8:40 to 10, an hour and twenty minutes for a meal seems pretty fair.
It even says what they will do afterwards, i.e. no party that went on.
So I think Starmer is home and clear, seems like he was telling the truth.
There was nothing planned after the dinner except going back to the hotel so it doesn't match the previous story that they were working late and spontaneously decided to get a takeaway curry.
Who said they spontaneously chose to get a takeaway curry? The story has always been we were working late and had curry. Which is what the memo confirms to be true. They planned it out, like all organisations do.
Starmer said they went back to work after eating.
The memo doesn't prove that to not be true.
So you're arguing that this memo proves that curry was a the pre-planned working dinner, but we can ignore the bit after?
And also, why didn't Labour produce this memo themselves if it proves they're in the clear?
I must say, it is strange the "whistleblower" sat on the bombshell evidence for so long, almost like they chose to deploy it politically near to the LEs
Alternatively the Tories made up the story to save the giant hound.
8:40 to 10, an hour and twenty minutes for a meal seems pretty fair.
It even says what they will do afterwards, i.e. no party that went on.
So I think Starmer is home and clear, seems like he was telling the truth.
There was nothing planned after the dinner except going back to the hotel so it doesn't match the previous story that they were working late and spontaneously decided to get a takeaway curry.
Who said they spontaneously chose to get a takeaway curry? The story has always been we were working late and had curry. Which is what the memo confirms to be true. They planned it out, like all organisations do.
Starmer said they went back to work after eating.
The memo doesn't prove that to not be true.
So you're arguing that this memo proves that curry was a the pre-planned working dinner, but we can ignore the bit after?
The bit after doesn't say they stopped working. It says back Radison whatever that is.
I must say, it is strange the "whistleblower" sat on the bombshell evidence for so long, almost like they chose to deploy it politically near to the LEs
If I were Tory HQ, I’d do it at the point of maximum pressure on my own leader.
8:40 to 10, an hour and twenty minutes for a meal seems pretty fair.
It even says what they will do afterwards, i.e. no party that went on.
So I think Starmer is home and clear, seems like he was telling the truth.
There was nothing planned after the dinner except going back to the hotel so it doesn't match the previous story that they were working late and spontaneously decided to get a takeaway curry.
Who said they spontaneously chose to get a takeaway curry? The story has always been we were working late and had curry. Which is what the memo confirms to be true. They planned it out, like all organisations do.
Starmer said they went back to work after eating.
The memo doesn't prove that to not be true.
So you're arguing that this memo proves that curry was a the pre-planned working dinner, but we can ignore the bit after?
The bit after doesn't say they stopped working. It says back Radison whatever that is.
8:40 to 10, an hour and twenty minutes for a meal seems pretty fair.
It even says what they will do afterwards, i.e. no party that went on.
So I think Starmer is home and clear, seems like he was telling the truth.
There was nothing planned after the dinner except going back to the hotel so it doesn't match the previous story that they were working late and spontaneously decided to get a takeaway curry.
Who said they spontaneously chose to get a takeaway curry? The story has always been we were working late and had curry. Which is what the memo confirms to be true. They planned it out, like all organisations do.
Starmer said they went back to work after eating.
The memo doesn't prove that to not be true.
So you're arguing that this memo proves that curry was a the pre-planned working dinner, but we can ignore the bit after?
And also, why didn't Labour produce this memo themselves if it proves they're in the clear?
Because it's private and confidential?
I expect they provided it to the Police, who have now leaked it. Just like they leaked the investigation being reopened without telling Starmer's office first.
I must say, it is strange the "whistleblower" sat on the bombshell evidence for so long, almost like they chose to deploy it politically near to the LEs
If I were Tory HQ, I’d do it at the point of maximum pressure on my own leader.
Politically, it's genius. Can't disagree about that.
The Croydon count is taking place at a school, which means they couldn't start until 6pm yesterday, and now it looks like it's going to go into tomorrow. Apparently the couldn't find a venue large enough in the whole of Croydon, apart from the school, even though the borough has a population of about 350,000 people. The main concert hall Fairfield Halls is in administration due to incompetence and therefore unavailable.
8:40 to 10, an hour and twenty minutes for a meal seems pretty fair.
It even says what they will do afterwards, i.e. no party that went on.
So I think Starmer is home and clear, seems like he was telling the truth.
There was nothing planned after the dinner except going back to the hotel so it doesn't match the previous story that they were working late and spontaneously decided to get a takeaway curry.
Who said they spontaneously chose to get a takeaway curry? The story has always been we were working late and had curry. Which is what the memo confirms to be true. They planned it out, like all organisations do.
Starmer said they went back to work after eating.
The memo doesn't prove that to not be true.
Because the curry was the last thing listed on the memo it presumably implies that nothing else happened after the curry, so we have.
Work event. Work event ends. Curry.
So the curry is an isolated, non-work-related social event of the kind that was strictly forbidden. If the author had just written three words - 'Work event resumes' - as the last item then history would be entirely different.
Labour set to lose 21 seats in Tower Hsmlets and maybe 2 or 3 in Croydon based on the mayoralty election, leaving them with a really lukewarm gain in England of perhaps 25 seats against Mr Mephisto and the Party Pack. And that's before hypocritegate takes off. They are a really worthless bunch, the lot of them. What a choice in 2024. Oh, betting tips! Norwich North is a lock for Labour next time out, if you want a seat against the head, I fancy one of the three Sunderlands to flip, probably central and as much as Malcolm would string me up for it, the Scot Tories will, despite Thursday, retake Ayr, Carrick and Cumnock if they can avoid any further backsliding
8:40 to 10, an hour and twenty minutes for a meal seems pretty fair.
It even says what they will do afterwards, i.e. no party that went on.
So I think Starmer is home and clear, seems like he was telling the truth.
There was nothing planned after the dinner except going back to the hotel so it doesn't match the previous story that they were working late and spontaneously decided to get a takeaway curry.
Who said they spontaneously chose to get a takeaway curry? The story has always been we were working late and had curry. Which is what the memo confirms to be true. They planned it out, like all organisations do.
Starmer said they went back to work after eating.
The memo doesn't prove that to not be true.
So you're arguing that this memo proves that curry was a the pre-planned working dinner, but we can ignore the bit after?
And also, why didn't Labour produce this memo themselves if it proves they're in the clear?
Because it's private and confidential?
I expect they provided it to the Police, who have now leaked it. Just like they leaked the investigation being reopened without telling Starmer's office first.
What's interesting is that you're telling us all how Starmer obviously hasn't done anything wrong, and yet you're getting ready to accuse Durham Police of being politically motivated should they give Starmer a fine.
8:40 to 10, an hour and twenty minutes for a meal seems pretty fair.
It even says what they will do afterwards, i.e. no party that went on.
So I think Starmer is home and clear, seems like he was telling the truth.
There was nothing planned after the dinner except going back to the hotel so it doesn't match the previous story that they were working late and spontaneously decided to get a takeaway curry.
Who said they spontaneously chose to get a takeaway curry? The story has always been we were working late and had curry. Which is what the memo confirms to be true. They planned it out, like all organisations do.
Starmer said they went back to work after eating.
The memo doesn't prove that to not be true.
So you're arguing that this memo proves that curry was a the pre-planned working dinner, but we can ignore the bit after?
And also, why didn't Labour produce this memo themselves if it proves they're in the clear?
Because it's private and confidential?
I expect they provided it to the Police, who have now leaked it. Just like they leaked the investigation being reopened without telling Starmer's office first.
What's interesting is that you're telling us all how Starmer obviously hasn't done anything wrong, and yet you're getting ready to accuse Durham Police of being politically motivated should they give Starmer a fine.
No if they give Starmer a fine, Starmer should resign. I trust the Police to do the right thing.
What I am questioning is how this has been put out.
Big new limestone clit-tickler project = Cuban cigar + excellent glass of red + sunset
Always celebrate the good days. There are plenty of bad ones which will look out for themselves
Are you still nursing that bottle of Flat Tire? BTW as culinary note, perfect accompaniment to spicy gumbo OR po'boy sandwich is a can of cold Dixie beer.
With just the right metallic tang to tickle the taste buds!
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Reckon it became more likely.
Just like in 2010.
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/beergate-keir-starmer-consider-position-fined-covid-rules-diane-abbott-1617123?ico=related_stories
members of momentum should contact Diane urgently if they can "help" Keir in his career planning
Well that is a new one on me and it took me a few minutes to work out how it worked and it looks very interesting. More info from anyone please? First thought is if there are say 6 candidates it will take a long time to vote and there will be matches where I don't have an opinion and I can't reasonably be expected to have an opinion between certain candidates.
Labour really have to start coming up with some policies. The excuse given over the last couple of days that if they do, the Tories will nick them is risible.
The “un-“ is ugly.
If the arithmetic makes it possible, then it is a cast-iron guarantee that the politicians will be flexible.
Ask Clegg.
And, after all, Clegg's story had a very, very happy ending .... President of Global Affairs at Meta.
https://www.mailplus.co.uk/edition/news/politics/179032/mail-on-sunday-exclusive-keir-starmers-beergate-story-blown-apart-by-leaked-memo
He lost ground and Councillors in every single area of England except London in LE2022.
Mark Drakeford got twice as many gains in little old Wales as SKS in the whole of England even including London.
SKS already down over 300 Councillors in 2021 compared to his predecessor.
SKS defenders must be Tory enablers sleep walking to another GE defeat
An operational note drawn up ahead of Sir Keir’s notorious visit to Durham, where he was filmed enjoying a late-night beer with activists, reveals the gathering had been planned in advance.
Mail on Sunday
A hedgehog speaks.
However on the locals results Labour plus LDs would be more than Tories plus DUP even ignoring the SNP
Kinabalu said - "On that subject - tailoring - I'm about to embark on getting a bespoke suit for the 1st time ever. I'll be going for a snug fit (like Rishi) but not the supershort trousers. Don't think I could carry that off the way he does."
SSI - You might wish to take account of rising sea levels that make high-water pants a sensible investment.
State Go Away said - "i dont mean most voters cannot understand HOW to vote [STV] in terms of numbers ( although it does preclude and spoil some votes the more complicated a system which is not a good thing ) but most voters could then not explain how the votes are COUNTED - that is not transparent and not a good system therefore
SSI - Based on my (admittedly limited) experience with STV in Republic, think you are wrong re: counting. In fact, the system is VERY transparent, as you can demonstrate for yourself with a pretty simple spreadsheet. Easy to see how transfers are flowing including non-transferable votes.
"It's all a stitch-up by the right-wing press!"
"He's better than Johnson!"
"It was a genuine business meeting, honest guv!"
"Labour have been honest throughout this, unlike liar Johnson!"
"The police should have better things to do with their time!"
"Look, squirrel!"
etc, etc.
What a difference a week fails to make. Last Saturday I was sat at the runners and riders board at a point to point explaining that sks was an incompetent liar, now here I am by the lake at badminton and sks is still an incompetent liar.
Don't rule that out.
They'd have to be pretty close to a majority, and hope that makes Keir's job too hard to gather a working arrangement together, rather than rely on someone accepting an offer to keep them in power after 14 years.
Or at least as good as you're likely to get!
Re: sectarian influences, just spun the wheel in front of my neighborhood Tibetan Buddhist temple (doesn't every hood have one?) for you and all other PB COVIDteers.
AND don't know IF you'll consider this a complement, but on the way to my local supermarket, found myself whistling "Roddy McCorley" - and thought of you.
Clancy Brothers & Tommy Makem (with Pete Seeger) - Roddy McCorley
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qoEqutj7mQ
But, I am sure Durham Police would not have reopened the investigation unless they absolutely had to.
So, I think that means there has to be serious & credible evidence that warrants an investigation.
I agree, Durham police are not the met. They are pretty competent and Joy Allen, the labour PCC, is too and she would never interfere as some have suggested elsewhere.
Something is awry,
Crap legislation alert.
Does that imply that Mike thinks a different Tory leader might be able to get support from the yellow peril?
You just know the Lib Dems are going to get back to 20 -25 seats and, once again, be faced with a rather unappealing choice.
But I doubt the public are going to absorb fine details abotu specific times for things, how much leeway they are willing to grant a politician depends on their general feeling to them.
But the Rayner part of the story was where it started to get interesting. It started to look as though they were either incompetent or had something to hide. Neither is a good look.
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1522977416037208064
Mail on Sunday obtain the operational note for April 30 2021 - “beergate” day
The curry at the heart of the police investigation features on it as a preplanned event
Keir Starmer's team planned to have a working meal which detailed the social distancing guidelines that should be followed and what would be ordered.
Sounds like a standard working dinner to me. I've been to tonnes of them
It even says what they will do afterwards, i.e. no party that went on.
So I think Starmer is home and clear, seems like he was telling the truth.
https://twitter.com/AdamWagner1/status/1522978254142980096
SF 23 DUP 22 ALLN 16 UUP 9 SDLP 6 Other 3 (1 TUV, 1 People Before Profit, 1 Ind ex-DUP)
Looking forward to remaining seats to be decided:
Foyle = 3 remaining, likely I SF, I DUP, 1 SDLP
East Londonderry = 3 remaining, likely 1 Ind Unionist, either 2 SF or 1 SF, 1 SDLP
Fermanagh and South Tyrone = 3 remaining, likely 2 SF, 1 DUP
North Belfast = 2 remaining, likely 1 Alliance, 1 DUP
total remaining thus = SF 4 (min) + DUP 3 + SDLP 2 (max) + Alliance 1 + Ind Unionist 1 = 11
Which would add up with seats already decided to
SF 27 DUP 25 ALLN 17 UUP 9 SDLP 8 TUV 1 PBP 2 Ind Unionists
But I don't see how a planned meal with social distancing guidelines followed between two events that were campaign related can be interpreted as anything other than totally necessary.
Can somebody explain what I am missing?
It's like my company posting an agenda for the day, I feel like this actually makes Starmer look better not worse
They might lose Croydon, but I have them hanging on by 3......
Keir and beer - he's done a Nixon and let a nothing become a something.
Ah, here we go...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8859161/Coronavirus-UK-Punters-joke-taking-advantage-Tier-2-3-working-lunch-loophole.html
Starmer has had the agenda hijacked. He doesn't know how to play dirty. Johnson and his team have absolutely kippered him.
And also, why didn't Labour produce this memo themselves if it proves they're in the clear?
They probably continued working there.
I expect they provided it to the Police, who have now leaked it. Just like they leaked the investigation being reopened without telling Starmer's office first.
Always celebrate the good days. There are plenty of bad ones which will look out for themselves
Work event.
Work event ends.
Curry.
So the curry is an isolated, non-work-related social event of the kind that was strictly forbidden. If the author had just written three words - 'Work event resumes' - as the last item then history would be entirely different.
They are a really worthless bunch, the lot of them. What a choice in 2024.
Oh, betting tips! Norwich North is a lock for Labour next time out, if you want a seat against the head, I fancy one of the three Sunderlands to flip, probably central and as much as Malcolm would string me up for it, the Scot Tories will, despite Thursday, retake Ayr, Carrick and Cumnock if they can avoid any further backsliding
What I am questioning is how this has been put out.
With just the right metallic tang to tickle the taste buds!