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  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 3,201
    MrEd said:

    🟠Aspire 24 (+24)
    🔴Lab 19 (-23)
    🟢Grn 1 (+1)
    🔵Con 1 (-1)
    ⚪️Oth 0 (-1)

    🟠Aspire GAIN from Lab

    This is something else that hasn't been talked about but which is potentially a major headache for Labour, namely what is a sectarian party appealing to Labour's Muslim voters. Aspire is a far more dangerous threat than Respect - it's not headed by an opportunistic white guy who clearly doesn't share much of the values of Muslim people. I can easily Aspire going national and threatening Labour in the seats where it relies on the Muslim * vote to keep it in power.

    * there may be racial factors here as will - will Aspire be more Bangladeshi-focused or will it manage to pull in Pakistani voters etc.
    The reason it isn't being talked about is because it ain't gonna happen.
    A party like Aspire is only possible if it wins.
    Such a party as you suggest would not be in it for the long haul, prepared to endure many years of opposition before eventual success.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 59,741
    edited May 2022

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    nico679 said:

    I think a big mistake Starmer made was calling for resignations because of an investigation rather than at least waiting to the end of that .

    The Tories will be enjoying this but ironically they don’t want Starmer to resign . We all know Johnson is utterly shameless and his right wing paper friends will do their best to spin things but if Starmer goes the first thing most of the public will ask is why is Johnson still there .

    What happens if he gets more FPNs , what if the Sue Gray report is damning .

    Make the point that Johnson has broken the laws he created and should resign because he lied to parliament about doing to. I always said lying to parliament was the biggie.

    If we come out of this with Johnson still as PM and Starmer gone as the Met slap out a stack of FPNs and the Grey report details Johnson partying at the "I sacked Cummings" event I will likely wee myself laughing.
    Sorry that's rubbish - most ordinary people dont give a chit he lied to parliament , its that he made laws for them he could not keep himself.So he should go and Starmer should go given he voted for them as well.Maybe in future it will mean politicians think twice about imposing stupid laws on people because its the "right thing to do"
    I'm the only person not surprised by it but then I never took the Covid laws literally myself.

    I ignored the pettifogging interpretations that I found irrational or silly, and met my parents several times outside for walks and chats.

    Sure, I broke the laws. i sat on park benches with friends when that was literally (I think) illegal. Then-wife and I had a pizza in a house with another couple near the end of lockdown 1. Etc. Personally, however, I didn’t have a massive party at my home - Boris - nor did I order curry for 30 with a ton of booze and get loaded - Starmer. Nor did I, at the same time, impose stringent laws on the rest of British humanity, which I had no intention of obeying - Boris - and nor did I whine that these laws should be stricter and go on longer - Starmer - who had no intention of obeying

    Fuckers. I despise them

    I’d be quite happy to get rid of the entire House of Commons, as is, Tory, LD and Labour alike, and SNP, all of them, and start over
    How about a Cabinet of PBers, with a Parliament of the rest?

    TSE - PM
    Cyclefree - Home Secretary
    MaxPB - Chancellor
    BlancheLivermore - Foreign Secretary
    Dura Ace - Defence
    Casino Royale - Transport
    Me - Education
    Foxy - Health
    DavidL - Justice
    Moon rabbit - Minister for Sport
    Leon - Culture
    Eabhal - Scotland
    Y Bardd Cwsc - Wales
    Beibherli C - Northern Ireland
    Gallowgate - Levelling Up.
    Malmesbury - Leader of the House and responsible for the ONS assisted by tlg86

    Just think how much better a government that would be than this one...
    I knew you were taking the piss when I saw Leon at Culture.
    Finding where to put somebody who makes flint dildos is a hard one.

    But nobody knows more about organising parties.

    Edit - perhaps he should be party chairman?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 86,096
    kjh said:

    Edwin Poots asked who are going to be the most difficult discussions with, Sinn Fein or the UK Govt? Quick answer - UK Govt. Says it all.

    I can believe it, but is he known for talking sense?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,650
    edited May 2022
    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Aspire shows one terrifying truth for Labour. A core constituent of their 'reliable' vote base defects en masse when given something to vote for. Could destroy them in London long term.

    Sunny Handal did an excellent thread on this. There are ominous signs for Labour amidst the London celebrations. Voting for them by en bloc ethnic minorities is coming to an end


    “Some quick thoughts on Labour getting thrashed in Tower Hamlets, Harrow and Croydon.

    These parts of London have one thing in common - large proportion of ethnic minorities.

    And they rebelled against Labour”

    https://twitter.com/sunny_hundal/status/1522910473011740672?s=21&t=vcK9-hydFRDbGJHNdWBKeQ
    Labour has a habit of losing from unassailable strength - Scotland, Blaenau Gwent, Tower Hamlets, Bethnal Green, The Red Wall.
    They are very easy to turn your back on and have been since the post Wilson/Callaghan era
    I don't think one can generalise. I don't know why Labour lost Croydon.

    The politics of Tower Hamlets are unique. As to Harrow, it's simply a case of professional voters of Indian background gradually drifting towards the Conservatives, as the Jews started doing, fifty years ago.
    Croydon is because of the council going bankrupt in 2020 and then scrapping the £24,000 meals on wheels when you're paying the head of the council 613,000 a year
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 86,096
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    8:40 to 10, an hour and twenty minutes for a meal seems pretty fair.

    It even says what they will do afterwards, i.e. no party that went on.

    So I think Starmer is home and clear, seems like he was telling the truth.

    There was nothing planned after the dinner except going back to the hotel so it doesn't match the previous story that they were working late and spontaneously decided to get a takeaway curry.
    Who said they spontaneously chose to get a takeaway curry? The story has always been we were working late and had curry. Which is what the memo confirms to be true. They planned it out, like all organisations do.
    Starmer said they went back to work after eating.
    The memo doesn't prove that to not be true.
    So you're arguing that this memo proves that curry was a the pre-planned working dinner, but we can ignore the bit after?

    And also, why didn't Labour produce this memo themselves if it proves they're in the clear?
    Because it's private and confidential?

    I expect they provided it to the Police, who have now leaked it. Just like they leaked the investigation being reopened without telling Starmer's office first.
    What's interesting is that you're telling us all how Starmer obviously hasn't done anything wrong, and yet you're getting ready to accuse Durham Police of being politically motivated should they give Starmer a fine.
    Attacking process before the outcome has even been known is a well known diversionary tactic of course. Unfortunately its so commonly used by rogues, as seen with the likes of Paterson, that it detracts from any legitimate complaint of process.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 86,096

    What on earth is “Aspire”?

    Those who aspire to reintroduce flagrant corruption back into public office without consequence.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 2,702
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    nico679 said:

    I think a big mistake Starmer made was calling for resignations because of an investigation rather than at least waiting to the end of that .

    The Tories will be enjoying this but ironically they don’t want Starmer to resign . We all know Johnson is utterly shameless and his right wing paper friends will do their best to spin things but if Starmer goes the first thing most of the public will ask is why is Johnson still there .

    What happens if he gets more FPNs , what if the Sue Gray report is damning .

    Make the point that Johnson has broken the laws he created and should resign because he lied to parliament about doing to. I always said lying to parliament was the biggie.

    If we come out of this with Johnson still as PM and Starmer gone as the Met slap out a stack of FPNs and the Grey report details Johnson partying at the "I sacked Cummings" event I will likely wee myself laughing.
    Sorry that's rubbish - most ordinary people dont give a chit he lied to parliament , its that he made laws for them he could not keep himself.So he should go and Starmer should go given he voted for them as well.Maybe in future it will mean politicians think twice about imposing stupid laws on people because its the "right thing to do"
    I'm the only person not surprised by it but then I never took the Covid laws literally myself.

    I ignored the pettifogging interpretations that I found irrational or silly, and met my parents several times outside for walks and chats.

    Sure, I broke the laws. i sat on park benches with friends when that was literally (I think) illegal. Then-wife and I had a pizza in a house with another couple near the end of lockdown 1. Etc. Personally, however, I didn’t have a massive party at my home - Boris - nor did I order curry for 30 with a ton of booze and get loaded - Starmer. Nor did I, at the same time, impose stringent laws on the rest of British humanity, which I had no intention of obeying - Boris - and nor did I whine that these laws should be stricter and go on longer - Starmer - who had no intention of obeying

    Fuckers. I despise them

    I’d be quite happy to get rid of the entire House of Commons, as is, Tory, LD and Labour alike, and SNP, all of them, and start over
    How about a Cabinet of PBers, with a Parliament of the rest?

    TSE - PM
    Cyclefree - Home Secretary
    MaxPB - Chancellor
    BlancheLivermore - Foreign Secretary
    Dura Ace - Defence
    Casino Royale - Transport
    Me - Education
    Foxy - Health
    DavidL - Justice
    Moon rabbit - Minister for Sport
    Leon - Culture
    Eabhal - Scotland
    Y Bardd Cwsc - Wales
    Beibherli C - Northern Ireland
    Gallowgate - Levelling Up.
    Malmesbury - Leader of the House and responsible for the ONS assisted by tlg86

    Just think how much better a government that would be than this one...
    That would last one circle of the sunday papers when somebody googled their posts on PB.
    Why? Do the Sundays not approve of proper pizza, gardening, the right sort of shoes and actually, y'know, hiring people who know their shit rather than don't know they're shit?
    If they did, they would employ those sort of people.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 20,735
    murali_s said:

    Fwiw, a Johnson led Tory largest party with ca 310 seats would lead to 1974 double header, Johnson resigns and new election with new Tory and large majority 6 months later

    Tories can't govern with 310. Lepers?
    Chipper confident PB Tories planning their victory parade.

    How the **** did we avaid the catastrophic economic chaos currently predicted prior to GE 2024/25?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 86,096

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    nico679 said:

    I think a big mistake Starmer made was calling for resignations because of an investigation rather than at least waiting to the end of that .

    The Tories will be enjoying this but ironically they don’t want Starmer to resign . We all know Johnson is utterly shameless and his right wing paper friends will do their best to spin things but if Starmer goes the first thing most of the public will ask is why is Johnson still there .

    What happens if he gets more FPNs , what if the Sue Gray report is damning .

    Make the point that Johnson has broken the laws he created and should resign because he lied to parliament about doing to. I always said lying to parliament was the biggie.

    If we come out of this with Johnson still as PM and Starmer gone as the Met slap out a stack of FPNs and the Grey report details Johnson partying at the "I sacked Cummings" event I will likely wee myself laughing.
    Sorry that's rubbish - most ordinary people dont give a chit he lied to parliament , its that he made laws for them he could not keep himself.So he should go and Starmer should go given he voted for them as well.Maybe in future it will mean politicians think twice about imposing stupid laws on people because its the "right thing to do"
    I'm the only person not surprised by it but then I never took the Covid laws literally myself.

    I ignored the pettifogging interpretations that I found irrational or silly, and met my parents several times outside for walks and chats.

    Sure, I broke the laws. i sat on park benches with friends when that was literally (I think) illegal. Then-wife and I had a pizza in a house with another couple near the end of lockdown 1. Etc. Personally, however, I didn’t have a massive party at my home - Boris - nor did I order curry for 30 with a ton of booze and get loaded - Starmer. Nor did I, at the same time, impose stringent laws on the rest of British humanity, which I had no intention of obeying - Boris - and nor did I whine that these laws should be stricter and go on longer - Starmer - who had no intention of obeying

    Fuckers. I despise them

    I’d be quite happy to get rid of the entire House of Commons, as is, Tory, LD and Labour alike, and SNP, all of them, and start over
    How about a Cabinet of PBers, with a Parliament of the rest?

    TSE - PM
    Cyclefree - Home Secretary
    MaxPB - Chancellor
    BlancheLivermore - Foreign Secretary
    Dura Ace - Defence
    Casino Royale - Transport
    Me - Education
    Foxy - Health
    DavidL - Justice
    Moon rabbit - Minister for Sport
    Leon - Culture
    Eabhal - Scotland
    Y Bardd Cwsc - Wales
    Beibherli C - Northern Ireland
    Gallowgate - Levelling Up.
    Malmesbury - Leader of the House and responsible for the ONS assisted by tlg86

    Just think how much better a government that would be than this one...
    I knew you were taking the piss when I saw Leon at Culture.
    I can think of even more ovious giveaways of pisstaking.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 10,290
    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Aspire shows one terrifying truth for Labour. A core constituent of their 'reliable' vote base defects en masse when given something to vote for. Could destroy them in London long term.

    Sunny Handal did an excellent thread on this. There are ominous signs for Labour amidst the London celebrations. Voting for them by en bloc ethnic minorities is coming to an end


    “Some quick thoughts on Labour getting thrashed in Tower Hamlets, Harrow and Croydon.

    These parts of London have one thing in common - large proportion of ethnic minorities.

    And they rebelled against Labour”

    https://twitter.com/sunny_hundal/status/1522910473011740672?s=21&t=vcK9-hydFRDbGJHNdWBKeQ
    Labour has a habit of losing from unassailable strength - Scotland, Blaenau Gwent, Tower Hamlets, Bethnal Green, The Red Wall.
    They are very easy to turn your back on and have been since the post Wilson/Callaghan era
    I don't think one can generalise. I don't know why Labour lost Croydon.

    The politics of Tower Hamlets are unique. As to Harrow, it's simply a case of professional voters of Indian background gradually drifting towards the Conservatives, as the Jews started doing, fifty years ago.
    Two interesting things about Croydon.

    Main immediate one is, it went bankrupt and couldn't be restructured into sonething new.

    Long term one is that it has a gritty inner London northern bit voting Labour and a bucolic outer London southern bit voting Conservative. And somehow, they persist in an equilibrium that doesn't look stable, but is. Elsewhere, the red bit has gently but systematically hoovered up the blue bit.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,097

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Aspire shows one terrifying truth for Labour. A core constituent of their 'reliable' vote base defects en masse when given something to vote for. Could destroy them in London long term.

    Sunny Handal did an excellent thread on this. There are ominous signs for Labour amidst the London celebrations. Voting for them by en bloc ethnic minorities is coming to an end


    “Some quick thoughts on Labour getting thrashed in Tower Hamlets, Harrow and Croydon.

    These parts of London have one thing in common - large proportion of ethnic minorities.

    And they rebelled against Labour”

    https://twitter.com/sunny_hundal/status/1522910473011740672?s=21&t=vcK9-hydFRDbGJHNdWBKeQ
    Labour has a habit of losing from unassailable strength - Scotland, Blaenau Gwent, Tower Hamlets, Bethnal Green, The Red Wall.
    They are very easy to turn your back on and have been since the post Wilson/Callaghan era
    I don't think one can generalise. I don't know why Labour lost Croydon.

    The politics of Tower Hamlets are unique. As to Harrow, it's simply a case of professional voters of Indian background gradually drifting towards the Conservatives, as the Jews started doing, fifty years ago.
    Croydon is because of the council going bankrupt in 2020 and then scrapping the £24,000 meals on wheels when you're paying the head of the council 613,000 a year
    Just your average incompetent council then...
  • TresTres Posts: 1,817

    franklyn said:

    Can I please ask Scottish members of the PB readership how the feel Nicola's congratulatory message to Sinn Fein will go down in Protestant quarters of the West of Scotland. I know that in democratic politics we always congratulate winners, but she could easily have sent a private message. Is she losing her normally skilful touch?

    Yawn.
    She's lost the Orange Order and Union Bears for sure.

    This guy won't be too happy either.



    You're obsessed by the orange order and loyalism.

    One wonder why.
    Fact of life if you live in the west of Scotland, everyone wants to know about your grandmother.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 86,096

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Aspire shows one terrifying truth for Labour. A core constituent of their 'reliable' vote base defects en masse when given something to vote for. Could destroy them in London long term.

    Sunny Handal did an excellent thread on this. There are ominous signs for Labour amidst the London celebrations. Voting for them by en bloc ethnic minorities is coming to an end


    “Some quick thoughts on Labour getting thrashed in Tower Hamlets, Harrow and Croydon.

    These parts of London have one thing in common - large proportion of ethnic minorities.

    And they rebelled against Labour”

    https://twitter.com/sunny_hundal/status/1522910473011740672?s=21&t=vcK9-hydFRDbGJHNdWBKeQ
    Labour has a habit of losing from unassailable strength - Scotland, Blaenau Gwent, Tower Hamlets, Bethnal Green, The Red Wall.
    They are very easy to turn your back on and have been since the post Wilson/Callaghan era
    I don't think one can generalise. I don't know why Labour lost Croydon.

    The politics of Tower Hamlets are unique. As to Harrow, it's simply a case of professional voters of Indian background gradually drifting towards the Conservatives, as the Jews started doing, fifty years ago.
    Croydon is because of the council going bankrupt in 2020 and then scrapping the £24,000 meals on wheels when you're paying the head of the council 613,000 a year
    Is that a typo? I know some council heads get above 200k, but 600k?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 86,096
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    nico679 said:

    I think a big mistake Starmer made was calling for resignations because of an investigation rather than at least waiting to the end of that .

    The Tories will be enjoying this but ironically they don’t want Starmer to resign . We all know Johnson is utterly shameless and his right wing paper friends will do their best to spin things but if Starmer goes the first thing most of the public will ask is why is Johnson still there .

    What happens if he gets more FPNs , what if the Sue Gray report is damning .

    Make the point that Johnson has broken the laws he created and should resign because he lied to parliament about doing to. I always said lying to parliament was the biggie.

    If we come out of this with Johnson still as PM and Starmer gone as the Met slap out a stack of FPNs and the Grey report details Johnson partying at the "I sacked Cummings" event I will likely wee myself laughing.
    Sorry that's rubbish - most ordinary people dont give a chit he lied to parliament , its that he made laws for them he could not keep himself.So he should go and Starmer should go given he voted for them as well.Maybe in future it will mean politicians think twice about imposing stupid laws on people because its the "right thing to do"
    I'm the only person not surprised by it but then I never took the Covid laws literally myself.

    I ignored the pettifogging interpretations that I found irrational or silly, and met my parents several times outside for walks and chats.

    Sure, I broke the laws. i sat on park benches with friends when that was literally (I think) illegal. Then-wife and I had a pizza in a house with another couple near the end of lockdown 1. Etc. Personally, however, I didn’t have a massive party at my home - Boris - nor did I order curry for 30 with a ton of booze and get loaded - Starmer. Nor did I, at the same time, impose stringent laws on the rest of British humanity, which I had no intention of obeying - Boris - and nor did I whine that these laws should be stricter and go on longer - Starmer - who had no intention of obeying

    Fuckers. I despise them

    I’d be quite happy to get rid of the entire House of Commons, as is, Tory, LD and Labour alike, and SNP, all of them, and start over
    How about a Cabinet of PBers, with a Parliament of the rest?

    TSE - PM
    Cyclefree - Home Secretary
    MaxPB - Chancellor
    BlancheLivermore - Foreign Secretary
    Dura Ace - Defence
    Casino Royale - Transport
    Me - Education
    Foxy - Health
    DavidL - Justice
    Moon rabbit - Minister for Sport
    Leon - Culture
    Eabhal - Scotland
    Y Bardd Cwsc - Wales
    Beibherli C - Northern Ireland
    Gallowgate - Levelling Up.
    Malmesbury - Leader of the House and responsible for the ONS assisted by tlg86

    Just think how much better a government that would be than this one...
    I knew you were taking the piss when I saw Leon at Culture.
    Finding where to put somebody who makes flint dildos is a hard one.

    But nobody knows more about organising parties.

    Edit - perhaps he should be party chairman?
    President of the Board of Trade, for the foreign travel since Foreign Secretary is taken.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 7,292
    Tres said:

    franklyn said:

    Can I please ask Scottish members of the PB readership how the feel Nicola's congratulatory message to Sinn Fein will go down in Protestant quarters of the West of Scotland. I know that in democratic politics we always congratulate winners, but she could easily have sent a private message. Is she losing her normally skilful touch?

    Yawn.
    She's lost the Orange Order and Union Bears for sure.

    This guy won't be too happy either.



    You're obsessed by the orange order and loyalism.

    One wonder why.
    Fact of life if you live in the west of Scotland, everyone wants to know about your grandmother.
    To shove her off a bus?

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 20,735

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    8:40 to 10, an hour and twenty minutes for a meal seems pretty fair.

    It even says what they will do afterwards, i.e. no party that went on.

    So I think Starmer is home and clear, seems like he was telling the truth.

    There was nothing planned after the dinner except going back to the hotel so it doesn't match the previous story that they were working late and spontaneously decided to get a takeaway curry.
    Who said they spontaneously chose to get a takeaway curry? The story has always been we were working late and had curry. Which is what the memo confirms to be true. They planned it out, like all organisations do.
    Starmer said they went back to work after eating.
    The memo doesn't prove that to not be true.
    So you're arguing that this memo proves that curry was a the pre-planned working dinner, but we can ignore the bit after?
    The bit after doesn't say they stopped working. It says back Radison whatever that is.

    They probably continued working there.
    Are you happy with the 32 seat Gain in England?

    I think Drakeford made twice as many in little old Wales

    What do you put the massively differential performances down to?


    ie a loss in every Region of England except London

    Spinning this as a triumph yesterday morning makes you look a bit silly IMO
    You were picking and choosing your results to prove a point yesterday and you are still at it again today.

    Both my votes went to Labour here in the Vale of Glamorgan, I did not consider Drakeford when I voted, I doubt many did.
    So why did Labour do brilliantly in Wales - 66 Gains

    And in the whole of England much poorer - 29 Gains

    In England they went backwards in every Region except London

    Why?
    I can assure you the gains were nothing to do with Drakeford and the Welsh Government.

    I suspect they were more to do with an apparent visceral hatred of Johnson and a more relaxed approach to Starmer's Labour Party compared to Corbyn's. That is the reality, the dynamic is clearly different to Northern England and the Midlands at present.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 5,462
    Sean_F said:

    F & ST

    3 SF
    1 UUP
    1DUP

    That is a shockingly bad result for SDLP.
    That's a no-change result, though, like everywhere west of the Bann, and the SDLP have only taken a seat there once since 2011 (and that was back when there were 6 seats, not 5).
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,489
    geoffw said:

    Tres said:

    franklyn said:

    Can I please ask Scottish members of the PB readership how the feel Nicola's congratulatory message to Sinn Fein will go down in Protestant quarters of the West of Scotland. I know that in democratic politics we always congratulate winners, but she could easily have sent a private message. Is she losing her normally skilful touch?

    Yawn.
    She's lost the Orange Order and Union Bears for sure.

    This guy won't be too happy either.



    You're obsessed by the orange order and loyalism.

    One wonder why.
    Fact of life if you live in the west of Scotland, everyone wants to know about your grandmother.
    To shove her off a bus?

    It can't be done, so I've been told.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 10,290

    MrEd said:

    🟠Aspire 24 (+24)
    🔴Lab 19 (-23)
    🟢Grn 1 (+1)
    🔵Con 1 (-1)
    ⚪️Oth 0 (-1)

    🟠Aspire GAIN from Lab

    This is something else that hasn't been talked about but which is potentially a major headache for Labour, namely what is a sectarian party appealing to Labour's Muslim voters. Aspire is a far more dangerous threat than Respect - it's not headed by an opportunistic white guy who clearly doesn't share much of the values of Muslim people. I can easily Aspire going national and threatening Labour in the seats where it relies on the Muslim * vote to keep it in power.

    * there may be racial factors here as will - will Aspire be more Bangladeshi-focused or will it manage to pull in Pakistani voters etc.
    The reason it isn't being talked about is because it ain't gonna happen.
    A party like Aspire is only possible if it wins.
    Such a party as you suggest would not be in it for the long haul, prepared to endure many years of opposition before eventual success.
    That wasn't Rahman's path, he started in TH Labour and got to the top at first by internal party shenanigans.

    But replicating that outside TH might be tricky
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 86,096
    From my uneducated point of view, given the reporting of DUP ahead of this election 24/25 for them seems a not terrible result (even though it is far below what they once got).
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,650
    kle4 said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Aspire shows one terrifying truth for Labour. A core constituent of their 'reliable' vote base defects en masse when given something to vote for. Could destroy them in London long term.

    Sunny Handal did an excellent thread on this. There are ominous signs for Labour amidst the London celebrations. Voting for them by en bloc ethnic minorities is coming to an end


    “Some quick thoughts on Labour getting thrashed in Tower Hamlets, Harrow and Croydon.

    These parts of London have one thing in common - large proportion of ethnic minorities.

    And they rebelled against Labour”

    https://twitter.com/sunny_hundal/status/1522910473011740672?s=21&t=vcK9-hydFRDbGJHNdWBKeQ
    Labour has a habit of losing from unassailable strength - Scotland, Blaenau Gwent, Tower Hamlets, Bethnal Green, The Red Wall.
    They are very easy to turn your back on and have been since the post Wilson/Callaghan era
    I don't think one can generalise. I don't know why Labour lost Croydon.

    The politics of Tower Hamlets are unique. As to Harrow, it's simply a case of professional voters of Indian background gradually drifting towards the Conservatives, as the Jews started doing, fifty years ago.
    Croydon is because of the council going bankrupt in 2020 and then scrapping the £24,000 meals on wheels when you're paying the head of the council 613,000 a year
    Is that a typo? I know some council heads get above 200k, but 600k?
    Sorry it was 600k lump to the outgoing chief executive
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 59,741
    GIN1138 said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Aspire shows one terrifying truth for Labour. A core constituent of their 'reliable' vote base defects en masse when given something to vote for. Could destroy them in London long term.

    Sunny Handal did an excellent thread on this. There are ominous signs for Labour amidst the London celebrations. Voting for them by en bloc ethnic minorities is coming to an end


    “Some quick thoughts on Labour getting thrashed in Tower Hamlets, Harrow and Croydon.

    These parts of London have one thing in common - large proportion of ethnic minorities.

    And they rebelled against Labour”

    https://twitter.com/sunny_hundal/status/1522910473011740672?s=21&t=vcK9-hydFRDbGJHNdWBKeQ
    Labour has a habit of losing from unassailable strength - Scotland, Blaenau Gwent, Tower Hamlets, Bethnal Green, The Red Wall.
    They are very easy to turn your back on and have been since the post Wilson/Callaghan era
    I don't think one can generalise. I don't know why Labour lost Croydon.

    The politics of Tower Hamlets are unique. As to Harrow, it's simply a case of professional voters of Indian background gradually drifting towards the Conservatives, as the Jews started doing, fifty years ago.
    Croydon is because of the council going bankrupt in 2020 and then scrapping the £24,000 meals on wheels when you're paying the head of the council 613,000 a year
    Just your average incompetent council then...
    If their chief executive hasn't been arrested, they have a way to go before hitting Carmarthenshire's heights.

    Although I gather there are allegations that Croydon's senior officers have, like James, been accused of misappropriating council funds to hire libel lawyers issuing legal threats against those who criticise them.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 20,735
    edited May 2022
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    nico679 said:

    I think a big mistake Starmer made was calling for resignations because of an investigation rather than at least waiting to the end of that .

    The Tories will be enjoying this but ironically they don’t want Starmer to resign . We all know Johnson is utterly shameless and his right wing paper friends will do their best to spin things but if Starmer goes the first thing most of the public will ask is why is Johnson still there .

    What happens if he gets more FPNs , what if the Sue Gray report is damning .

    Make the point that Johnson has broken the laws he created and should resign because he lied to parliament about doing to. I always said lying to parliament was the biggie.

    If we come out of this with Johnson still as PM and Starmer gone as the Met slap out a stack of FPNs and the Grey report details Johnson partying at the "I sacked Cummings" event I will likely wee myself laughing.
    Sorry that's rubbish - most ordinary people dont give a chit he lied to parliament , its that he made laws for them he could not keep himself.So he should go and Starmer should go given he voted for them as well.Maybe in future it will mean politicians think twice about imposing stupid laws on people because its the "right thing to do"
    I'm the only person not surprised by it but then I never took the Covid laws literally myself.

    I ignored the pettifogging interpretations that I found irrational or silly, and met my parents several times outside for walks and chats.

    Sure, I broke the laws. i sat on park benches with friends when that was literally (I think) illegal. Then-wife and I had a pizza in a house with another couple near the end of lockdown 1. Etc. Personally, however, I didn’t have a massive party at my home - Boris - nor did I order curry for 30 with a ton of booze and get loaded - Starmer. Nor did I, at the same time, impose stringent laws on the rest of British humanity, which I had no intention of obeying - Boris - and nor did I whine that these laws should be stricter and go on longer - Starmer - who had no intention of obeying

    Fuckers. I despise them

    I’d be quite happy to get rid of the entire House of Commons, as is, Tory, LD and Labour alike, and SNP, all of them, and start over
    How about a Cabinet of PBers, with a Parliament of the rest?

    TSE - PM
    Cyclefree - Home Secretary
    MaxPB - Chancellor
    BlancheLivermore - Foreign Secretary
    Dura Ace - Defence
    Casino Royale - Transport
    Me - Education
    Foxy - Health
    DavidL - Justice
    Moon rabbit - Minister for Sport
    Leon - Culture
    Eabhal - Scotland
    Y Bardd Cwsc - Wales
    Beibherli C - Northern Ireland
    Gallowgate - Levelling Up.
    Malmesbury - Leader of the House and responsible for the ONS assisted by tlg86

    Just think how much better a government that would be than this one...
    I knew you were taking the piss when I saw Leon at Culture.
    Finding where to put somebody who makes flint dildos is a hard one.

    But nobody knows more about organising parties.

    Edit - perhaps he should be party chairman?
    I seem to recall Leon in an earlier incarnation promote a narrative about w******. Under such circumstances, I would hope he would be a better fit for a Johnson Cabinet.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 31,630

    franklyn said:

    Can I please ask Scottish members of the PB readership how the feel Nicola's congratulatory message to Sinn Fein will go down in Protestant quarters of the West of Scotland. I know that in democratic politics we always congratulate winners, but she could easily have sent a private message. Is she losing her normally skilful touch?

    Yawn.
    She's lost the Orange Order and Union Bears for sure.

    This guy won't be too happy either.



    You're obsessed by the orange order and loyalism.

    One wonder why.
    It's a very necessary survival trait in the West Central Belt. Even crossing the road is tricky in the summer.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 59,741

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    nico679 said:

    I think a big mistake Starmer made was calling for resignations because of an investigation rather than at least waiting to the end of that .

    The Tories will be enjoying this but ironically they don’t want Starmer to resign . We all know Johnson is utterly shameless and his right wing paper friends will do their best to spin things but if Starmer goes the first thing most of the public will ask is why is Johnson still there .

    What happens if he gets more FPNs , what if the Sue Gray report is damning .

    Make the point that Johnson has broken the laws he created and should resign because he lied to parliament about doing to. I always said lying to parliament was the biggie.

    If we come out of this with Johnson still as PM and Starmer gone as the Met slap out a stack of FPNs and the Grey report details Johnson partying at the "I sacked Cummings" event I will likely wee myself laughing.
    Sorry that's rubbish - most ordinary people dont give a chit he lied to parliament , its that he made laws for them he could not keep himself.So he should go and Starmer should go given he voted for them as well.Maybe in future it will mean politicians think twice about imposing stupid laws on people because its the "right thing to do"
    I'm the only person not surprised by it but then I never took the Covid laws literally myself.

    I ignored the pettifogging interpretations that I found irrational or silly, and met my parents several times outside for walks and chats.

    Sure, I broke the laws. i sat on park benches with friends when that was literally (I think) illegal. Then-wife and I had a pizza in a house with another couple near the end of lockdown 1. Etc. Personally, however, I didn’t have a massive party at my home - Boris - nor did I order curry for 30 with a ton of booze and get loaded - Starmer. Nor did I, at the same time, impose stringent laws on the rest of British humanity, which I had no intention of obeying - Boris - and nor did I whine that these laws should be stricter and go on longer - Starmer - who had no intention of obeying

    Fuckers. I despise them

    I’d be quite happy to get rid of the entire House of Commons, as is, Tory, LD and Labour alike, and SNP, all of them, and start over
    How about a Cabinet of PBers, with a Parliament of the rest?

    TSE - PM
    Cyclefree - Home Secretary
    MaxPB - Chancellor
    BlancheLivermore - Foreign Secretary
    Dura Ace - Defence
    Casino Royale - Transport
    Me - Education
    Foxy - Health
    DavidL - Justice
    Moon rabbit - Minister for Sport
    Leon - Culture
    Eabhal - Scotland
    Y Bardd Cwsc - Wales
    Beibherli C - Northern Ireland
    Gallowgate - Levelling Up.
    Malmesbury - Leader of the House and responsible for the ONS assisted by tlg86

    Just think how much better a government that would be than this one...
    Sunil at Transport, surely!
    You ride it.

    Casino Royale and Josias Jessop build it.

    CR seems to have more to do with project management.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 86,096

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    nico679 said:

    I think a big mistake Starmer made was calling for resignations because of an investigation rather than at least waiting to the end of that .

    The Tories will be enjoying this but ironically they don’t want Starmer to resign . We all know Johnson is utterly shameless and his right wing paper friends will do their best to spin things but if Starmer goes the first thing most of the public will ask is why is Johnson still there .

    What happens if he gets more FPNs , what if the Sue Gray report is damning .

    Make the point that Johnson has broken the laws he created and should resign because he lied to parliament about doing to. I always said lying to parliament was the biggie.

    If we come out of this with Johnson still as PM and Starmer gone as the Met slap out a stack of FPNs and the Grey report details Johnson partying at the "I sacked Cummings" event I will likely wee myself laughing.
    Sorry that's rubbish - most ordinary people dont give a chit he lied to parliament , its that he made laws for them he could not keep himself.So he should go and Starmer should go given he voted for them as well.Maybe in future it will mean politicians think twice about imposing stupid laws on people because its the "right thing to do"
    I'm the only person not surprised by it but then I never took the Covid laws literally myself.

    I ignored the pettifogging interpretations that I found irrational or silly, and met my parents several times outside for walks and chats.

    Sure, I broke the laws. i sat on park benches with friends when that was literally (I think) illegal. Then-wife and I had a pizza in a house with another couple near the end of lockdown 1. Etc. Personally, however, I didn’t have a massive party at my home - Boris - nor did I order curry for 30 with a ton of booze and get loaded - Starmer. Nor did I, at the same time, impose stringent laws on the rest of British humanity, which I had no intention of obeying - Boris - and nor did I whine that these laws should be stricter and go on longer - Starmer - who had no intention of obeying

    Fuckers. I despise them

    I’d be quite happy to get rid of the entire House of Commons, as is, Tory, LD and Labour alike, and SNP, all of them, and start over
    How about a Cabinet of PBers, with a Parliament of the rest?

    TSE - PM
    Cyclefree - Home Secretary
    MaxPB - Chancellor
    BlancheLivermore - Foreign Secretary
    Dura Ace - Defence
    Casino Royale - Transport
    Me - Education
    Foxy - Health
    DavidL - Justice
    Moon rabbit - Minister for Sport
    Leon - Culture
    Eabhal - Scotland
    Y Bardd Cwsc - Wales
    Beibherli C - Northern Ireland
    Gallowgate - Levelling Up.
    Malmesbury - Leader of the House and responsible for the ONS assisted by tlg86

    Just think how much better a government that would be than this one...
    Sunil at Transport, surely!
    kle4 to ask softball questions of the Cabinet

    Prime Minister, would you agree with me that you are awesome, and that one Mr Smithson should be given a peerage immediately?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 12,085
    edited May 2022
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    nico679 said:

    I think a big mistake Starmer made was calling for resignations because of an investigation rather than at least waiting to the end of that .

    The Tories will be enjoying this but ironically they don’t want Starmer to resign . We all know Johnson is utterly shameless and his right wing paper friends will do their best to spin things but if Starmer goes the first thing most of the public will ask is why is Johnson still there .

    What happens if he gets more FPNs , what if the Sue Gray report is damning .

    Make the point that Johnson has broken the laws he created and should resign because he lied to parliament about doing to. I always said lying to parliament was the biggie.

    If we come out of this with Johnson still as PM and Starmer gone as the Met slap out a stack of FPNs and the Grey report details Johnson partying at the "I sacked Cummings" event I will likely wee myself laughing.
    Sorry that's rubbish - most ordinary people dont give a chit he lied to parliament , its that he made laws for them he could not keep himself.So he should go and Starmer should go given he voted for them as well.Maybe in future it will mean politicians think twice about imposing stupid laws on people because its the "right thing to do"
    I'm the only person not surprised by it but then I never took the Covid laws literally myself.

    I ignored the pettifogging interpretations that I found irrational or silly, and met my parents several times outside for walks and chats.

    Sure, I broke the laws. i sat on park benches with friends when that was literally (I think) illegal. Then-wife and I had a pizza in a house with another couple near the end of lockdown 1. Etc. Personally, however, I didn’t have a massive party at my home - Boris - nor did I order curry for 30 with a ton of booze and get loaded - Starmer. Nor did I, at the same time, impose stringent laws on the rest of British humanity, which I had no intention of obeying - Boris - and nor did I whine that these laws should be stricter and go on longer - Starmer - who had no intention of obeying

    Fuckers. I despise them

    I’d be quite happy to get rid of the entire House of Commons, as is, Tory, LD and Labour alike, and SNP, all of them, and start over
    How about a Cabinet of PBers, with a Parliament of the rest?

    TSE - PM
    Cyclefree - Home Secretary
    MaxPB - Chancellor
    BlancheLivermore - Foreign Secretary
    Dura Ace - Defence
    Casino Royale - Transport
    Me - Education
    Foxy - Health
    DavidL - Justice
    Moon rabbit - Minister for Sport
    Leon - Culture
    Eabhal - Scotland
    Y Bardd Cwsc - Wales
    Beibherli C - Northern Ireland
    Gallowgate - Levelling Up.
    Malmesbury - Leader of the House and responsible for the ONS assisted by tlg86

    Just think how much better a government that would be than this one...
    In the name of the Three Ds - decency, democracy, d'wokery - I demand that PB cabinet positions by filled via modified AV. With electoral college for indirect selection of Prime Minister. AND provision for annual ostracism of one cabinet member to Special PB Attitude Adjustment Facility on Port Smithson in South Sandwich Islands.

    EDIT - Thus creating exciting new PB career AND electoral opportunities!
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 8,611

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Aspire shows one terrifying truth for Labour. A core constituent of their 'reliable' vote base defects en masse when given something to vote for. Could destroy them in London long term.

    Sunny Handal did an excellent thread on this. There are ominous signs for Labour amidst the London celebrations. Voting for them by en bloc ethnic minorities is coming to an end


    “Some quick thoughts on Labour getting thrashed in Tower Hamlets, Harrow and Croydon.

    These parts of London have one thing in common - large proportion of ethnic minorities.

    And they rebelled against Labour”

    https://twitter.com/sunny_hundal/status/1522910473011740672?s=21&t=vcK9-hydFRDbGJHNdWBKeQ
    Labour has a habit of losing from unassailable strength - Scotland, Blaenau Gwent, Tower Hamlets, Bethnal Green, The Red Wall.
    They are very easy to turn your back on and have been since the post Wilson/Callaghan era
    I don't think one can generalise. I don't know why Labour lost Croydon.

    The politics of Tower Hamlets are unique. As to Harrow, it's simply a case of professional voters of Indian background gradually drifting towards the Conservatives, as the Jews started doing, fifty years ago.
    Two interesting things about Croydon.

    Main immediate one is, it went bankrupt and couldn't be restructured into sonething new.

    Long term one is that it has a gritty inner London northern bit voting Labour and a bucolic outer London southern bit voting Conservative. And somehow, they persist in an equilibrium that doesn't look stable, but is. Elsewhere, the red bit has gently but systematically hoovered up the blue bit.

    Pear and apple in Croydon gardens
    Bud and blossom and fall,
    But your Uncle Dick has left his Croydon
    Once for all.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,489
    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    nico679 said:

    I think a big mistake Starmer made was calling for resignations because of an investigation rather than at least waiting to the end of that .

    The Tories will be enjoying this but ironically they don’t want Starmer to resign . We all know Johnson is utterly shameless and his right wing paper friends will do their best to spin things but if Starmer goes the first thing most of the public will ask is why is Johnson still there .

    What happens if he gets more FPNs , what if the Sue Gray report is damning .

    Make the point that Johnson has broken the laws he created and should resign because he lied to parliament about doing to. I always said lying to parliament was the biggie.

    If we come out of this with Johnson still as PM and Starmer gone as the Met slap out a stack of FPNs and the Grey report details Johnson partying at the "I sacked Cummings" event I will likely wee myself laughing.
    Sorry that's rubbish - most ordinary people dont give a chit he lied to parliament , its that he made laws for them he could not keep himself.So he should go and Starmer should go given he voted for them as well.Maybe in future it will mean politicians think twice about imposing stupid laws on people because its the "right thing to do"
    I'm the only person not surprised by it but then I never took the Covid laws literally myself.

    I ignored the pettifogging interpretations that I found irrational or silly, and met my parents several times outside for walks and chats.

    Sure, I broke the laws. i sat on park benches with friends when that was literally (I think) illegal. Then-wife and I had a pizza in a house with another couple near the end of lockdown 1. Etc. Personally, however, I didn’t have a massive party at my home - Boris - nor did I order curry for 30 with a ton of booze and get loaded - Starmer. Nor did I, at the same time, impose stringent laws on the rest of British humanity, which I had no intention of obeying - Boris - and nor did I whine that these laws should be stricter and go on longer - Starmer - who had no intention of obeying

    Fuckers. I despise them

    I’d be quite happy to get rid of the entire House of Commons, as is, Tory, LD and Labour alike, and SNP, all of them, and start over
    How about a Cabinet of PBers, with a Parliament of the rest?

    TSE - PM
    Cyclefree - Home Secretary
    MaxPB - Chancellor
    BlancheLivermore - Foreign Secretary
    Dura Ace - Defence
    Casino Royale - Transport
    Me - Education
    Foxy - Health
    DavidL - Justice
    Moon rabbit - Minister for Sport
    Leon - Culture
    Eabhal - Scotland
    Y Bardd Cwsc - Wales
    Beibherli C - Northern Ireland
    Gallowgate - Levelling Up.
    Malmesbury - Leader of the House and responsible for the ONS assisted by tlg86

    Just think how much better a government that would be than this one...
    Sunil at Transport, surely!
    kle4 to ask softball questions of the Cabinet

    Prime Minister, would you agree with me that you are awesome, and that one Mr Smithson should be given a peerage immediately?
    I was thinking of nominating you for Speaker.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 34,263
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    nico679 said:

    I think a big mistake Starmer made was calling for resignations because of an investigation rather than at least waiting to the end of that .

    The Tories will be enjoying this but ironically they don’t want Starmer to resign . We all know Johnson is utterly shameless and his right wing paper friends will do their best to spin things but if Starmer goes the first thing most of the public will ask is why is Johnson still there .

    What happens if he gets more FPNs , what if the Sue Gray report is damning .

    Make the point that Johnson has broken the laws he created and should resign because he lied to parliament about doing to. I always said lying to parliament was the biggie.

    If we come out of this with Johnson still as PM and Starmer gone as the Met slap out a stack of FPNs and the Grey report details Johnson partying at the "I sacked Cummings" event I will likely wee myself laughing.
    Sorry that's rubbish - most ordinary people dont give a chit he lied to parliament , its that he made laws for them he could not keep himself.So he should go and Starmer should go given he voted for them as well.Maybe in future it will mean politicians think twice about imposing stupid laws on people because its the "right thing to do"
    I'm the only person not surprised by it but then I never took the Covid laws literally myself.

    I ignored the pettifogging interpretations that I found irrational or silly, and met my parents several times outside for walks and chats.

    Sure, I broke the laws. i sat on park benches with friends when that was literally (I think) illegal. Then-wife and I had a pizza in a house with another couple near the end of lockdown 1. Etc. Personally, however, I didn’t have a massive party at my home - Boris - nor did I order curry for 30 with a ton of booze and get loaded - Starmer. Nor did I, at the same time, impose stringent laws on the rest of British humanity, which I had no intention of obeying - Boris - and nor did I whine that these laws should be stricter and go on longer - Starmer - who had no intention of obeying

    Fuckers. I despise them

    I’d be quite happy to get rid of the entire House of Commons, as is, Tory, LD and Labour alike, and SNP, all of them, and start over
    How about a Cabinet of PBers, with a Parliament of the rest?

    TSE - PM
    Cyclefree - Home Secretary
    MaxPB - Chancellor
    BlancheLivermore - Foreign Secretary
    Dura Ace - Defence
    Casino Royale - Transport
    Me - Education
    Foxy - Health
    DavidL - Justice
    Moon rabbit - Minister for Sport
    Leon - Culture
    Eabhal - Scotland
    Y Bardd Cwsc - Wales
    Beibherli C - Northern Ireland
    Gallowgate - Levelling Up.
    Malmesbury - Leader of the House and responsible for the ONS assisted by tlg86

    Just think how much better a government that would be than this one...
    Sunil at Transport, surely!
    You ride it.

    Casino Royale and Josias Jessop build it.

    CR seems to have more to do with project management.
    I'll be chief Navvy. And to get TUD wound up, I'll be wearing an (orange) high-viz vest ... ;)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 86,096
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    nico679 said:

    I think a big mistake Starmer made was calling for resignations because of an investigation rather than at least waiting to the end of that .

    The Tories will be enjoying this but ironically they don’t want Starmer to resign . We all know Johnson is utterly shameless and his right wing paper friends will do their best to spin things but if Starmer goes the first thing most of the public will ask is why is Johnson still there .

    What happens if he gets more FPNs , what if the Sue Gray report is damning .

    Make the point that Johnson has broken the laws he created and should resign because he lied to parliament about doing to. I always said lying to parliament was the biggie.

    If we come out of this with Johnson still as PM and Starmer gone as the Met slap out a stack of FPNs and the Grey report details Johnson partying at the "I sacked Cummings" event I will likely wee myself laughing.
    Sorry that's rubbish - most ordinary people dont give a chit he lied to parliament , its that he made laws for them he could not keep himself.So he should go and Starmer should go given he voted for them as well.Maybe in future it will mean politicians think twice about imposing stupid laws on people because its the "right thing to do"
    I'm the only person not surprised by it but then I never took the Covid laws literally myself.

    I ignored the pettifogging interpretations that I found irrational or silly, and met my parents several times outside for walks and chats.

    Sure, I broke the laws. i sat on park benches with friends when that was literally (I think) illegal. Then-wife and I had a pizza in a house with another couple near the end of lockdown 1. Etc. Personally, however, I didn’t have a massive party at my home - Boris - nor did I order curry for 30 with a ton of booze and get loaded - Starmer. Nor did I, at the same time, impose stringent laws on the rest of British humanity, which I had no intention of obeying - Boris - and nor did I whine that these laws should be stricter and go on longer - Starmer - who had no intention of obeying

    Fuckers. I despise them

    I’d be quite happy to get rid of the entire House of Commons, as is, Tory, LD and Labour alike, and SNP, all of them, and start over
    How about a Cabinet of PBers, with a Parliament of the rest?

    TSE - PM
    Cyclefree - Home Secretary
    MaxPB - Chancellor
    BlancheLivermore - Foreign Secretary
    Dura Ace - Defence
    Casino Royale - Transport
    Me - Education
    Foxy - Health
    DavidL - Justice
    Moon rabbit - Minister for Sport
    Leon - Culture
    Eabhal - Scotland
    Y Bardd Cwsc - Wales
    Beibherli C - Northern Ireland
    Gallowgate - Levelling Up.
    Malmesbury - Leader of the House and responsible for the ONS assisted by tlg86

    Just think how much better a government that would be than this one...
    Sunil at Transport, surely!
    You ride it.

    Casino Royale and Josias Jessop build it.

    CR seems to have more to do with project management.
    Ministries should be focused on what the user will experience, and who better to know that?

    I fear the roads and air infrastructure would go unsupported though.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 5,462
    kle4 said:

    From my uneducated point of view, given the reporting of DUP ahead of this election 24/25 for them seems a not terrible result (even though it is far below what they once got).

    In essence, the DUP shedded votes went to TUV, which returned back to the DUP as transfers because TUV are repellent to everyone else.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 21,919
    edited May 2022
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    nico679 said:

    I think a big mistake Starmer made was calling for resignations because of an investigation rather than at least waiting to the end of that .

    The Tories will be enjoying this but ironically they don’t want Starmer to resign . We all know Johnson is utterly shameless and his right wing paper friends will do their best to spin things but if Starmer goes the first thing most of the public will ask is why is Johnson still there .

    What happens if he gets more FPNs , what if the Sue Gray report is damning .

    Make the point that Johnson has broken the laws he created and should resign because he lied to parliament about doing to. I always said lying to parliament was the biggie.

    If we come out of this with Johnson still as PM and Starmer gone as the Met slap out a stack of FPNs and the Grey report details Johnson partying at the "I sacked Cummings" event I will likely wee myself laughing.
    Sorry that's rubbish - most ordinary people dont give a chit he lied to parliament , its that he made laws for them he could not keep himself.So he should go and Starmer should go given he voted for them as well.Maybe in future it will mean politicians think twice about imposing stupid laws on people because its the "right thing to do"
    I'm the only person not surprised by it but then I never took the Covid laws literally myself.

    I ignored the pettifogging interpretations that I found irrational or silly, and met my parents several times outside for walks and chats.

    Sure, I broke the laws. i sat on park benches with friends when that was literally (I think) illegal. Then-wife and I had a pizza in a house with another couple near the end of lockdown 1. Etc. Personally, however, I didn’t have a massive party at my home - Boris - nor did I order curry for 30 with a ton of booze and get loaded - Starmer. Nor did I, at the same time, impose stringent laws on the rest of British humanity, which I had no intention of obeying - Boris - and nor did I whine that these laws should be stricter and go on longer - Starmer - who had no intention of obeying

    Fuckers. I despise them

    I’d be quite happy to get rid of the entire House of Commons, as is, Tory, LD and Labour alike, and SNP, all of them, and start over
    How about a Cabinet of PBers, with a Parliament of the rest?

    TSE - PM
    Cyclefree - Home Secretary
    MaxPB - Chancellor
    BlancheLivermore - Foreign Secretary
    Dura Ace - Defence
    Casino Royale - Transport
    Me - Education
    Foxy - Health
    DavidL - Justice
    Moon rabbit - Minister for Sport
    Leon - Culture
    Eabhal - Scotland
    Y Bardd Cwsc - Wales
    Beibherli C - Northern Ireland
    Gallowgate - Levelling Up.
    Malmesbury - Leader of the House and responsible for the ONS assisted by tlg86

    Just think how much better a government that would be than this one...
    Do we get to vote on whether we agree with the various appointments? :-)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 59,741

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    nico679 said:

    I think a big mistake Starmer made was calling for resignations because of an investigation rather than at least waiting to the end of that .

    The Tories will be enjoying this but ironically they don’t want Starmer to resign . We all know Johnson is utterly shameless and his right wing paper friends will do their best to spin things but if Starmer goes the first thing most of the public will ask is why is Johnson still there .

    What happens if he gets more FPNs , what if the Sue Gray report is damning .

    Make the point that Johnson has broken the laws he created and should resign because he lied to parliament about doing to. I always said lying to parliament was the biggie.

    If we come out of this with Johnson still as PM and Starmer gone as the Met slap out a stack of FPNs and the Grey report details Johnson partying at the "I sacked Cummings" event I will likely wee myself laughing.
    Sorry that's rubbish - most ordinary people dont give a chit he lied to parliament , its that he made laws for them he could not keep himself.So he should go and Starmer should go given he voted for them as well.Maybe in future it will mean politicians think twice about imposing stupid laws on people because its the "right thing to do"
    I'm the only person not surprised by it but then I never took the Covid laws literally myself.

    I ignored the pettifogging interpretations that I found irrational or silly, and met my parents several times outside for walks and chats.

    Sure, I broke the laws. i sat on park benches with friends when that was literally (I think) illegal. Then-wife and I had a pizza in a house with another couple near the end of lockdown 1. Etc. Personally, however, I didn’t have a massive party at my home - Boris - nor did I order curry for 30 with a ton of booze and get loaded - Starmer. Nor did I, at the same time, impose stringent laws on the rest of British humanity, which I had no intention of obeying - Boris - and nor did I whine that these laws should be stricter and go on longer - Starmer - who had no intention of obeying

    Fuckers. I despise them

    I’d be quite happy to get rid of the entire House of Commons, as is, Tory, LD and Labour alike, and SNP, all of them, and start over
    How about a Cabinet of PBers, with a Parliament of the rest?

    TSE - PM
    Cyclefree - Home Secretary
    MaxPB - Chancellor
    BlancheLivermore - Foreign Secretary
    Dura Ace - Defence
    Casino Royale - Transport
    Me - Education
    Foxy - Health
    DavidL - Justice
    Moon rabbit - Minister for Sport
    Leon - Culture
    Eabhal - Scotland
    Y Bardd Cwsc - Wales
    Beibherli C - Northern Ireland
    Gallowgate - Levelling Up.
    Malmesbury - Leader of the House and responsible for the ONS assisted by tlg86

    Just think how much better a government that would be than this one...
    Sunil at Transport, surely!
    kle4 to ask softball questions of the Cabinet

    Prime Minister, would you agree with me that you are awesome, and that one Mr Smithson should be given a peerage immediately?
    I was thinking of nominating you for Speaker.
    Surely Tissue Price for Speaker?

    More pertinently - what about the opposition?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 86,096

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    nico679 said:

    I think a big mistake Starmer made was calling for resignations because of an investigation rather than at least waiting to the end of that .

    The Tories will be enjoying this but ironically they don’t want Starmer to resign . We all know Johnson is utterly shameless and his right wing paper friends will do their best to spin things but if Starmer goes the first thing most of the public will ask is why is Johnson still there .

    What happens if he gets more FPNs , what if the Sue Gray report is damning .

    Make the point that Johnson has broken the laws he created and should resign because he lied to parliament about doing to. I always said lying to parliament was the biggie.

    If we come out of this with Johnson still as PM and Starmer gone as the Met slap out a stack of FPNs and the Grey report details Johnson partying at the "I sacked Cummings" event I will likely wee myself laughing.
    Sorry that's rubbish - most ordinary people dont give a chit he lied to parliament , its that he made laws for them he could not keep himself.So he should go and Starmer should go given he voted for them as well.Maybe in future it will mean politicians think twice about imposing stupid laws on people because its the "right thing to do"
    I'm the only person not surprised by it but then I never took the Covid laws literally myself.

    I ignored the pettifogging interpretations that I found irrational or silly, and met my parents several times outside for walks and chats.

    Sure, I broke the laws. i sat on park benches with friends when that was literally (I think) illegal. Then-wife and I had a pizza in a house with another couple near the end of lockdown 1. Etc. Personally, however, I didn’t have a massive party at my home - Boris - nor did I order curry for 30 with a ton of booze and get loaded - Starmer. Nor did I, at the same time, impose stringent laws on the rest of British humanity, which I had no intention of obeying - Boris - and nor did I whine that these laws should be stricter and go on longer - Starmer - who had no intention of obeying

    Fuckers. I despise them

    I’d be quite happy to get rid of the entire House of Commons, as is, Tory, LD and Labour alike, and SNP, all of them, and start over
    How about a Cabinet of PBers, with a Parliament of the rest?

    TSE - PM
    Cyclefree - Home Secretary
    MaxPB - Chancellor
    BlancheLivermore - Foreign Secretary
    Dura Ace - Defence
    Casino Royale - Transport
    Me - Education
    Foxy - Health
    DavidL - Justice
    Moon rabbit - Minister for Sport
    Leon - Culture
    Eabhal - Scotland
    Y Bardd Cwsc - Wales
    Beibherli C - Northern Ireland
    Gallowgate - Levelling Up.
    Malmesbury - Leader of the House and responsible for the ONS assisted by tlg86

    Just think how much better a government that would be than this one...
    Sunil at Transport, surely!
    kle4 to ask softball questions of the Cabinet

    Prime Minister, would you agree with me that you are awesome, and that one Mr Smithson should be given a peerage immediately?
    I was thinking of nominating you for Speaker.
    Hmm, my post count would suggest a Bercow-esque tendency to insert myself into debate too much, but of course, if one were called one could hardly refuse...
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 34,263
    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    nico679 said:

    I think a big mistake Starmer made was calling for resignations because of an investigation rather than at least waiting to the end of that .

    The Tories will be enjoying this but ironically they don’t want Starmer to resign . We all know Johnson is utterly shameless and his right wing paper friends will do their best to spin things but if Starmer goes the first thing most of the public will ask is why is Johnson still there .

    What happens if he gets more FPNs , what if the Sue Gray report is damning .

    Make the point that Johnson has broken the laws he created and should resign because he lied to parliament about doing to. I always said lying to parliament was the biggie.

    If we come out of this with Johnson still as PM and Starmer gone as the Met slap out a stack of FPNs and the Grey report details Johnson partying at the "I sacked Cummings" event I will likely wee myself laughing.
    Sorry that's rubbish - most ordinary people dont give a chit he lied to parliament , its that he made laws for them he could not keep himself.So he should go and Starmer should go given he voted for them as well.Maybe in future it will mean politicians think twice about imposing stupid laws on people because its the "right thing to do"
    I'm the only person not surprised by it but then I never took the Covid laws literally myself.

    I ignored the pettifogging interpretations that I found irrational or silly, and met my parents several times outside for walks and chats.

    Sure, I broke the laws. i sat on park benches with friends when that was literally (I think) illegal. Then-wife and I had a pizza in a house with another couple near the end of lockdown 1. Etc. Personally, however, I didn’t have a massive party at my home - Boris - nor did I order curry for 30 with a ton of booze and get loaded - Starmer. Nor did I, at the same time, impose stringent laws on the rest of British humanity, which I had no intention of obeying - Boris - and nor did I whine that these laws should be stricter and go on longer - Starmer - who had no intention of obeying

    Fuckers. I despise them

    I’d be quite happy to get rid of the entire House of Commons, as is, Tory, LD and Labour alike, and SNP, all of them, and start over
    How about a Cabinet of PBers, with a Parliament of the rest?

    TSE - PM
    Cyclefree - Home Secretary
    MaxPB - Chancellor
    BlancheLivermore - Foreign Secretary
    Dura Ace - Defence
    Casino Royale - Transport
    Me - Education
    Foxy - Health
    DavidL - Justice
    Moon rabbit - Minister for Sport
    Leon - Culture
    Eabhal - Scotland
    Y Bardd Cwsc - Wales
    Beibherli C - Northern Ireland
    Gallowgate - Levelling Up.
    Malmesbury - Leader of the House and responsible for the ONS assisted by tlg86

    Just think how much better a government that would be than this one...
    Sunil at Transport, surely!
    You ride it.

    Casino Royale and Josias Jessop build it.

    CR seems to have more to do with project management.
    Ministries should be focused on what the user will experience, and who better to know that?

    I fear the roads and air infrastructure would go unsupported though.
    Oh, I can stretch to roads. Fascinating things.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 55,115
    Julia Davis
    @JuliaDavisNews
    ·
    2h
    Meanwhile on Russian state TV, military experts are concerned that Russia's current economy is unfit to meet the needs of its Armed Forces. One expert advocated the urgent need to move on to "military socialism" and a "wartime economy," with government in charge of everything.

    https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1522993211513663489
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 31,630

    franklyn said:

    Can I please ask Scottish members of the PB readership how the feel Nicola's congratulatory message to Sinn Fein will go down in Protestant quarters of the West of Scotland. I know that in democratic politics we always congratulate winners, but she could easily have sent a private message. Is she losing her normally skilful touch?

    Yawn.
    She's lost the Orange Order and Union Bears for sure.

    This guy won't be too happy either.



    Like they were voting for her.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 10,290
    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    nico679 said:

    I think a big mistake Starmer made was calling for resignations because of an investigation rather than at least waiting to the end of that .

    The Tories will be enjoying this but ironically they don’t want Starmer to resign . We all know Johnson is utterly shameless and his right wing paper friends will do their best to spin things but if Starmer goes the first thing most of the public will ask is why is Johnson still there .

    What happens if he gets more FPNs , what if the Sue Gray report is damning .

    Make the point that Johnson has broken the laws he created and should resign because he lied to parliament about doing to. I always said lying to parliament was the biggie.

    If we come out of this with Johnson still as PM and Starmer gone as the Met slap out a stack of FPNs and the Grey report details Johnson partying at the "I sacked Cummings" event I will likely wee myself laughing.
    Sorry that's rubbish - most ordinary people dont give a chit he lied to parliament , its that he made laws for them he could not keep himself.So he should go and Starmer should go given he voted for them as well.Maybe in future it will mean politicians think twice about imposing stupid laws on people because its the "right thing to do"
    I'm the only person not surprised by it but then I never took the Covid laws literally myself.

    I ignored the pettifogging interpretations that I found irrational or silly, and met my parents several times outside for walks and chats.

    Sure, I broke the laws. i sat on park benches with friends when that was literally (I think) illegal. Then-wife and I had a pizza in a house with another couple near the end of lockdown 1. Etc. Personally, however, I didn’t have a massive party at my home - Boris - nor did I order curry for 30 with a ton of booze and get loaded - Starmer. Nor did I, at the same time, impose stringent laws on the rest of British humanity, which I had no intention of obeying - Boris - and nor did I whine that these laws should be stricter and go on longer - Starmer - who had no intention of obeying

    Fuckers. I despise them

    I’d be quite happy to get rid of the entire House of Commons, as is, Tory, LD and Labour alike, and SNP, all of them, and start over
    How about a Cabinet of PBers, with a Parliament of the rest?

    TSE - PM
    Cyclefree - Home Secretary
    MaxPB - Chancellor
    BlancheLivermore - Foreign Secretary
    Dura Ace - Defence
    Casino Royale - Transport
    Me - Education
    Foxy - Health
    DavidL - Justice
    Moon rabbit - Minister for Sport
    Leon - Culture
    Eabhal - Scotland
    Y Bardd Cwsc - Wales
    Beibherli C - Northern Ireland
    Gallowgate - Levelling Up.
    Malmesbury - Leader of the House and responsible for the ONS assisted by tlg86

    Just think how much better a government that would be than this one...
    Sunil at Transport, surely!
    kle4 to ask softball questions of the Cabinet

    Prime Minister, would you agree with me that you are awesome, and that one Mr Smithson should be given a peerage immediately?
    (Interrupts)

    Surely not one, but two Mr Smithsons?

    Does the Prime Minister agree that being based in America should not be seen as a barrier, yada yada...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 59,741
    Andy_JS said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    nico679 said:

    I think a big mistake Starmer made was calling for resignations because of an investigation rather than at least waiting to the end of that .

    The Tories will be enjoying this but ironically they don’t want Starmer to resign . We all know Johnson is utterly shameless and his right wing paper friends will do their best to spin things but if Starmer goes the first thing most of the public will ask is why is Johnson still there .

    What happens if he gets more FPNs , what if the Sue Gray report is damning .

    Make the point that Johnson has broken the laws he created and should resign because he lied to parliament about doing to. I always said lying to parliament was the biggie.

    If we come out of this with Johnson still as PM and Starmer gone as the Met slap out a stack of FPNs and the Grey report details Johnson partying at the "I sacked Cummings" event I will likely wee myself laughing.
    Sorry that's rubbish - most ordinary people dont give a chit he lied to parliament , its that he made laws for them he could not keep himself.So he should go and Starmer should go given he voted for them as well.Maybe in future it will mean politicians think twice about imposing stupid laws on people because its the "right thing to do"
    I'm the only person not surprised by it but then I never took the Covid laws literally myself.

    I ignored the pettifogging interpretations that I found irrational or silly, and met my parents several times outside for walks and chats.

    Sure, I broke the laws. i sat on park benches with friends when that was literally (I think) illegal. Then-wife and I had a pizza in a house with another couple near the end of lockdown 1. Etc. Personally, however, I didn’t have a massive party at my home - Boris - nor did I order curry for 30 with a ton of booze and get loaded - Starmer. Nor did I, at the same time, impose stringent laws on the rest of British humanity, which I had no intention of obeying - Boris - and nor did I whine that these laws should be stricter and go on longer - Starmer - who had no intention of obeying

    Fuckers. I despise them

    I’d be quite happy to get rid of the entire House of Commons, as is, Tory, LD and Labour alike, and SNP, all of them, and start over
    How about a Cabinet of PBers, with a Parliament of the rest?

    TSE - PM
    Cyclefree - Home Secretary
    MaxPB - Chancellor
    BlancheLivermore - Foreign Secretary
    Dura Ace - Defence
    Casino Royale - Transport
    Me - Education
    Foxy - Health
    DavidL - Justice
    Moon rabbit - Minister for Sport
    Leon - Culture
    Eabhal - Scotland
    Y Bardd Cwsc - Wales
    Beibherli C - Northern Ireland
    Gallowgate - Levelling Up.
    Malmesbury - Leader of the House and responsible for the ONS assisted by tlg86

    Just think how much better a government that would be than this one...
    Do we get to vote on whether we agree with the various appointments?
    Votes? Agree? Why? Anyone would think we were in a democracy or something.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited May 2022
    kjh said:

    @Alistair fpt NP-complete:

    Well that is a new one on me and it took me a few minutes to work out how it worked and it looks very interesting. More info from anyone please? First thought is if there are say 6 candidates it will take a long time to vote and there will be matches where I don't have an opinion and I can't reasonably be expected to have an opinion between certain candidates.

    @kjh
    There is a very long wiki page on all the possible implementations

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condorcet_method
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 31,630

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    nico679 said:

    I think a big mistake Starmer made was calling for resignations because of an investigation rather than at least waiting to the end of that .

    The Tories will be enjoying this but ironically they don’t want Starmer to resign . We all know Johnson is utterly shameless and his right wing paper friends will do their best to spin things but if Starmer goes the first thing most of the public will ask is why is Johnson still there .

    What happens if he gets more FPNs , what if the Sue Gray report is damning .

    Make the point that Johnson has broken the laws he created and should resign because he lied to parliament about doing to. I always said lying to parliament was the biggie.

    If we come out of this with Johnson still as PM and Starmer gone as the Met slap out a stack of FPNs and the Grey report details Johnson partying at the "I sacked Cummings" event I will likely wee myself laughing.
    Sorry that's rubbish - most ordinary people dont give a chit he lied to parliament , its that he made laws for them he could not keep himself.So he should go and Starmer should go given he voted for them as well.Maybe in future it will mean politicians think twice about imposing stupid laws on people because its the "right thing to do"
    I'm the only person not surprised by it but then I never took the Covid laws literally myself.

    I ignored the pettifogging interpretations that I found irrational or silly, and met my parents several times outside for walks and chats.

    Sure, I broke the laws. i sat on park benches with friends when that was literally (I think) illegal. Then-wife and I had a pizza in a house with another couple near the end of lockdown 1. Etc. Personally, however, I didn’t have a massive party at my home - Boris - nor did I order curry for 30 with a ton of booze and get loaded - Starmer. Nor did I, at the same time, impose stringent laws on the rest of British humanity, which I had no intention of obeying - Boris - and nor did I whine that these laws should be stricter and go on longer - Starmer - who had no intention of obeying

    Fuckers. I despise them

    I’d be quite happy to get rid of the entire House of Commons, as is, Tory, LD and Labour alike, and SNP, all of them, and start over
    How about a Cabinet of PBers, with a Parliament of the rest?

    TSE - PM
    Cyclefree - Home Secretary
    MaxPB - Chancellor
    BlancheLivermore - Foreign Secretary
    Dura Ace - Defence
    Casino Royale - Transport
    Me - Education
    Foxy - Health
    DavidL - Justice
    Moon rabbit - Minister for Sport
    Leon - Culture
    Eabhal - Scotland
    Y Bardd Cwsc - Wales
    Beibherli C - Northern Ireland
    Gallowgate - Levelling Up.
    Malmesbury - Leader of the House and responsible for the ONS assisted by tlg86

    Just think how much better a government that would be than this one...
    Sunil at Transport, surely!
    You ride it.

    Casino Royale and Josias Jessop build it.

    CR seems to have more to do with project management.
    I'll be chief Navvy. And to get TUD wound up, I'll be wearing an (orange) high-viz vest ... ;)
    No, that's fine - it's all in the context. Look up traffic lights in Larkhall.
  • Can I be technical adviser to the PB Government :(
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 12,085
    Despite my foreign birth, would like to be considered for post of Vice Secretary of Foreign Affairs. OR of Home Affairs. So long as the job combines "vice" with "affairs".

    Might make more sense, to name me Foreign Secretary for Vice Affairs!
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,489

    Julia Davis
    @JuliaDavisNews
    ·
    2h
    Meanwhile on Russian state TV, military experts are concerned that Russia's current economy is unfit to meet the needs of its Armed Forces. One expert advocated the urgent need to move on to "military socialism" and a "wartime economy," with government in charge of everything.

    https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1522993211513663489

    It's on the way to having neither an economy nor an armed force, so they've solved that one neatly.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 59,741

    Can I be technical adviser to the PB Government :(

    Given the government's general record, surely you'd run a mile from that post?

    Anything more complicated than a typewriter and they find ingenious ways to feck things up.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    nico679 said:

    I think a big mistake Starmer made was calling for resignations because of an investigation rather than at least waiting to the end of that .

    The Tories will be enjoying this but ironically they don’t want Starmer to resign . We all know Johnson is utterly shameless and his right wing paper friends will do their best to spin things but if Starmer goes the first thing most of the public will ask is why is Johnson still there .

    What happens if he gets more FPNs , what if the Sue Gray report is damning .

    Make the point that Johnson has broken the laws he created and should resign because he lied to parliament about doing to. I always said lying to parliament was the biggie.

    If we come out of this with Johnson still as PM and Starmer gone as the Met slap out a stack of FPNs and the Grey report details Johnson partying at the "I sacked Cummings" event I will likely wee myself laughing.
    Sorry that's rubbish - most ordinary people dont give a chit he lied to parliament , its that he made laws for them he could not keep himself.So he should go and Starmer should go given he voted for them as well.Maybe in future it will mean politicians think twice about imposing stupid laws on people because its the "right thing to do"
    I'm the only person not surprised by it but then I never took the Covid laws literally myself.

    I ignored the pettifogging interpretations that I found irrational or silly, and met my parents several times outside for walks and chats.

    Sure, I broke the laws. i sat on park benches with friends when that was literally (I think) illegal. Then-wife and I had a pizza in a house with another couple near the end of lockdown 1. Etc. Personally, however, I didn’t have a massive party at my home - Boris - nor did I order curry for 30 with a ton of booze and get loaded - Starmer. Nor did I, at the same time, impose stringent laws on the rest of British humanity, which I had no intention of obeying - Boris - and nor did I whine that these laws should be stricter and go on longer - Starmer - who had no intention of obeying

    Fuckers. I despise them

    I’d be quite happy to get rid of the entire House of Commons, as is, Tory, LD and Labour alike, and SNP, all of them, and start over
    How about a Cabinet of PBers, with a Parliament of the rest?

    TSE - PM
    Cyclefree - Home Secretary
    MaxPB - Chancellor
    BlancheLivermore - Foreign Secretary
    Dura Ace - Defence
    Casino Royale - Transport
    Me - Education
    Foxy - Health
    DavidL - Justice
    Moon rabbit - Minister for Sport
    Leon - Culture
    Eabhal - Scotland
    Y Bardd Cwsc - Wales
    Beibherli C - Northern Ireland
    Gallowgate - Levelling Up.
    Malmesbury - Leader of the House and responsible for the ONS assisted by tlg86

    Just think how much better a government that would be than this one...
    That would last one circle of the sunday papers when somebody googled their posts on PB.
    And folk think the current PM is mendacious.
  • ydoethur said:

    Can I be technical adviser to the PB Government :(

    Given the government's general record, surely you'd run a mile from that post?

    Anything more complicated than a typewriter and they find ingenious ways to feck things up.
    What position can I be placed in? :)
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 31,630

    Despite my foreign birth, would like to be considered for post of Vice Secretary of Foreign Affairs. OR of Home Affairs. So long as the job combines "vice" with "affairs".

    Might make more sense, to name me Foreign Secretary for Vice Affairs!

    What's wrong with being US Ambassador?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 12,085

    Can I be technical adviser to the PB Government :(

    For PPE, UAF & AV?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 44,367
    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    nico679 said:

    I think a big mistake Starmer made was calling for resignations because of an investigation rather than at least waiting to the end of that .

    The Tories will be enjoying this but ironically they don’t want Starmer to resign . We all know Johnson is utterly shameless and his right wing paper friends will do their best to spin things but if Starmer goes the first thing most of the public will ask is why is Johnson still there .

    What happens if he gets more FPNs , what if the Sue Gray report is damning .

    Make the point that Johnson has broken the laws he created and should resign because he lied to parliament about doing to. I always said lying to parliament was the biggie.

    If we come out of this with Johnson still as PM and Starmer gone as the Met slap out a stack of FPNs and the Grey report details Johnson partying at the "I sacked Cummings" event I will likely wee myself laughing.
    Sorry that's rubbish - most ordinary people dont give a chit he lied to parliament , its that he made laws for them he could not keep himself.So he should go and Starmer should go given he voted for them as well.Maybe in future it will mean politicians think twice about imposing stupid laws on people because its the "right thing to do"
    I'm the only person not surprised by it but then I never took the Covid laws literally myself.

    I ignored the pettifogging interpretations that I found irrational or silly, and met my parents several times outside for walks and chats.

    Sure, I broke the laws. i sat on park benches with friends when that was literally (I think) illegal. Then-wife and I had a pizza in a house with another couple near the end of lockdown 1. Etc. Personally, however, I didn’t have a massive party at my home - Boris - nor did I order curry for 30 with a ton of booze and get loaded - Starmer. Nor did I, at the same time, impose stringent laws on the rest of British humanity, which I had no intention of obeying - Boris - and nor did I whine that these laws should be stricter and go on longer - Starmer - who had no intention of obeying

    Fuckers. I despise them

    I’d be quite happy to get rid of the entire House of Commons, as is, Tory, LD and Labour alike, and SNP, all of them, and start over
    How about a Cabinet of PBers, with a Parliament of the rest?

    TSE - PM
    Cyclefree - Home Secretary
    MaxPB - Chancellor
    BlancheLivermore - Foreign Secretary
    Dura Ace - Defence
    Casino Royale - Transport
    Me - Education
    Foxy - Health
    DavidL - Justice
    Moon rabbit - Minister for Sport
    Leon - Culture
    Eabhal - Scotland
    Y Bardd Cwsc - Wales
    Beibherli C - Northern Ireland
    Gallowgate - Levelling Up.
    Malmesbury - Leader of the House and responsible for the ONS assisted by tlg86

    Just think how much better a government that would be than this one...
    Sunil at Transport, surely!
    You ride it.

    Casino Royale and Josias Jessop build it.

    CR seems to have more to do with project management.
    Ministries should be focused on what the user will experience, and who better to know that?

    I fear the roads and air infrastructure would go unsupported though.
    Not necessarily, I like roads. And planes too!
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 26,191
    edited May 2022
    EPG said:

    kle4 said:

    From my uneducated point of view, given the reporting of DUP ahead of this election 24/25 for them seems a not terrible result (even though it is far below what they once got).

    In essence, the DUP shedded votes went to TUV, which returned back to the DUP as transfers because TUV are repellent to everyone else.
    Yeah. Basically they saw off TUV. Whose votes all ended up back with them anyways.
    The nightmare scenario of TUV winning seats and having a platform to attack them from the hardline extreme, like Paisley did to the UUP, was averted.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 12,085

    Julia Davis
    @JuliaDavisNews
    ·
    2h
    Meanwhile on Russian state TV, military experts are concerned that Russia's current economy is unfit to meet the needs of its Armed Forces. One expert advocated the urgent need to move on to "military socialism" and a "wartime economy," with government in charge of everything.

    https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1522993211513663489

    1919 - "War Communism"

    2022 - "Military Socialism"
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 59,741

    ydoethur said:

    Can I be technical adviser to the PB Government :(

    Given the government's general record, surely you'd run a mile from that post?

    Anything more complicated than a typewriter and they find ingenious ways to feck things up.
    What position can I be placed in? :)
    If you're willing to work under me at Education you could do something with Higher Education. Such as getting rid of tuition fees.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 3,756
    kle4 said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Aspire shows one terrifying truth for Labour. A core constituent of their 'reliable' vote base defects en masse when given something to vote for. Could destroy them in London long term.

    Sunny Handal did an excellent thread on this. There are ominous signs for Labour amidst the London celebrations. Voting for them by en bloc ethnic minorities is coming to an end


    “Some quick thoughts on Labour getting thrashed in Tower Hamlets, Harrow and Croydon.

    These parts of London have one thing in common - large proportion of ethnic minorities.

    And they rebelled against Labour”

    https://twitter.com/sunny_hundal/status/1522910473011740672?s=21&t=vcK9-hydFRDbGJHNdWBKeQ
    Labour has a habit of losing from unassailable strength - Scotland, Blaenau Gwent, Tower Hamlets, Bethnal Green, The Red Wall.
    They are very easy to turn your back on and have been since the post Wilson/Callaghan era
    I don't think one can generalise. I don't know why Labour lost Croydon.

    The politics of Tower Hamlets are unique. As to Harrow, it's simply a case of professional voters of Indian background gradually drifting towards the Conservatives, as the Jews started doing, fifty years ago.
    Croydon is because of the council going bankrupt in 2020 and then scrapping the £24,000 meals on wheels when you're paying the head of the council 613,000 a year
    Is that a typo? I know some council heads get above 200k, but 600k?
    Slightly off topic, but it is not just council heads. There is contract work in some Council planning departments at the moment that is very well paid. IE: 150K per year with contracts deemed (by the Council) to be outside of IR35 at head of department level. 100k+ for an interim manager or even just very senior officer level, on the same terms (eg outside of IR35) is common. And even with all that money on offer, there is still a lack of candidates.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 59,741

    Julia Davis
    @JuliaDavisNews
    ·
    2h
    Meanwhile on Russian state TV, military experts are concerned that Russia's current economy is unfit to meet the needs of its Armed Forces. One expert advocated the urgent need to move on to "military socialism" and a "wartime economy," with government in charge of everything.

    https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1522993211513663489

    1919 - "War Communism"

    2022 - "Military Socialism"
    IIRC (and I don't have Nove to hand) War Communism caused an 87% contraction in the size of the Russian economy...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 86,096

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    nico679 said:

    I think a big mistake Starmer made was calling for resignations because of an investigation rather than at least waiting to the end of that .

    The Tories will be enjoying this but ironically they don’t want Starmer to resign . We all know Johnson is utterly shameless and his right wing paper friends will do their best to spin things but if Starmer goes the first thing most of the public will ask is why is Johnson still there .

    What happens if he gets more FPNs , what if the Sue Gray report is damning .

    Make the point that Johnson has broken the laws he created and should resign because he lied to parliament about doing to. I always said lying to parliament was the biggie.

    If we come out of this with Johnson still as PM and Starmer gone as the Met slap out a stack of FPNs and the Grey report details Johnson partying at the "I sacked Cummings" event I will likely wee myself laughing.
    Sorry that's rubbish - most ordinary people dont give a chit he lied to parliament , its that he made laws for them he could not keep himself.So he should go and Starmer should go given he voted for them as well.Maybe in future it will mean politicians think twice about imposing stupid laws on people because its the "right thing to do"
    I'm the only person not surprised by it but then I never took the Covid laws literally myself.

    I ignored the pettifogging interpretations that I found irrational or silly, and met my parents several times outside for walks and chats.

    Sure, I broke the laws. i sat on park benches with friends when that was literally (I think) illegal. Then-wife and I had a pizza in a house with another couple near the end of lockdown 1. Etc. Personally, however, I didn’t have a massive party at my home - Boris - nor did I order curry for 30 with a ton of booze and get loaded - Starmer. Nor did I, at the same time, impose stringent laws on the rest of British humanity, which I had no intention of obeying - Boris - and nor did I whine that these laws should be stricter and go on longer - Starmer - who had no intention of obeying

    Fuckers. I despise them

    I’d be quite happy to get rid of the entire House of Commons, as is, Tory, LD and Labour alike, and SNP, all of them, and start over
    How about a Cabinet of PBers, with a Parliament of the rest?

    TSE - PM
    Cyclefree - Home Secretary
    MaxPB - Chancellor
    BlancheLivermore - Foreign Secretary
    Dura Ace - Defence
    Casino Royale - Transport
    Me - Education
    Foxy - Health
    DavidL - Justice
    Moon rabbit - Minister for Sport
    Leon - Culture
    Eabhal - Scotland
    Y Bardd Cwsc - Wales
    Beibherli C - Northern Ireland
    Gallowgate - Levelling Up.
    Malmesbury - Leader of the House and responsible for the ONS assisted by tlg86

    Just think how much better a government that would be than this one...
    Sunil at Transport, surely!
    You can have it mate.

    I've had enough dealings with the DfT to last a lifetime.
    In which case poor old Dr Foxy should not be punished with Health!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 51,354
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    nico679 said:

    I think a big mistake Starmer made was calling for resignations because of an investigation rather than at least waiting to the end of that .

    The Tories will be enjoying this but ironically they don’t want Starmer to resign . We all know Johnson is utterly shameless and his right wing paper friends will do their best to spin things but if Starmer goes the first thing most of the public will ask is why is Johnson still there .

    What happens if he gets more FPNs , what if the Sue Gray report is damning .

    Make the point that Johnson has broken the laws he created and should resign because he lied to parliament about doing to. I always said lying to parliament was the biggie.

    If we come out of this with Johnson still as PM and Starmer gone as the Met slap out a stack of FPNs and the Grey report details Johnson partying at the "I sacked Cummings" event I will likely wee myself laughing.
    Sorry that's rubbish - most ordinary people dont give a chit he lied to parliament , its that he made laws for them he could not keep himself.So he should go and Starmer should go given he voted for them as well.Maybe in future it will mean politicians think twice about imposing stupid laws on people because its the "right thing to do"
    I'm the only person not surprised by it but then I never took the Covid laws literally myself.

    I ignored the pettifogging interpretations that I found irrational or silly, and met my parents several times outside for walks and chats.

    Sure, I broke the laws. i sat on park benches with friends when that was literally (I think) illegal. Then-wife and I had a pizza in a house with another couple near the end of lockdown 1. Etc. Personally, however, I didn’t have a massive party at my home - Boris - nor did I order curry for 30 with a ton of booze and get loaded - Starmer. Nor did I, at the same time, impose stringent laws on the rest of British humanity, which I had no intention of obeying - Boris - and nor did I whine that these laws should be stricter and go on longer - Starmer - who had no intention of obeying

    Fuckers. I despise them

    I’d be quite happy to get rid of the entire House of Commons, as is, Tory, LD and Labour alike, and SNP, all of them, and start over
    How about a Cabinet of PBers, with a Parliament of the rest?

    TSE - PM
    Cyclefree - Home Secretary
    MaxPB - Chancellor
    BlancheLivermore - Foreign Secretary
    Dura Ace - Defence
    Casino Royale - Transport
    Me - Education
    Foxy - Health
    DavidL - Justice
    Moon rabbit - Minister for Sport
    Leon - Culture
    Eabhal - Scotland
    Y Bardd Cwsc - Wales
    Beibherli C - Northern Ireland
    Gallowgate - Levelling Up.
    Malmesbury - Leader of the House and responsible for the ONS assisted by tlg86

    Just think how much better a government that would be than this one...
    Sunil at Transport, surely!
    You ride it.

    Casino Royale and Josias Jessop build it.

    CR seems to have more to do with project management.
    Yes, that's essentially right.

    Megaproject/programme management if one is being pedantic.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 59,741

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    nico679 said:

    I think a big mistake Starmer made was calling for resignations because of an investigation rather than at least waiting to the end of that .

    The Tories will be enjoying this but ironically they don’t want Starmer to resign . We all know Johnson is utterly shameless and his right wing paper friends will do their best to spin things but if Starmer goes the first thing most of the public will ask is why is Johnson still there .

    What happens if he gets more FPNs , what if the Sue Gray report is damning .

    Make the point that Johnson has broken the laws he created and should resign because he lied to parliament about doing to. I always said lying to parliament was the biggie.

    If we come out of this with Johnson still as PM and Starmer gone as the Met slap out a stack of FPNs and the Grey report details Johnson partying at the "I sacked Cummings" event I will likely wee myself laughing.
    Sorry that's rubbish - most ordinary people dont give a chit he lied to parliament , its that he made laws for them he could not keep himself.So he should go and Starmer should go given he voted for them as well.Maybe in future it will mean politicians think twice about imposing stupid laws on people because its the "right thing to do"
    I'm the only person not surprised by it but then I never took the Covid laws literally myself.

    I ignored the pettifogging interpretations that I found irrational or silly, and met my parents several times outside for walks and chats.

    Sure, I broke the laws. i sat on park benches with friends when that was literally (I think) illegal. Then-wife and I had a pizza in a house with another couple near the end of lockdown 1. Etc. Personally, however, I didn’t have a massive party at my home - Boris - nor did I order curry for 30 with a ton of booze and get loaded - Starmer. Nor did I, at the same time, impose stringent laws on the rest of British humanity, which I had no intention of obeying - Boris - and nor did I whine that these laws should be stricter and go on longer - Starmer - who had no intention of obeying

    Fuckers. I despise them

    I’d be quite happy to get rid of the entire House of Commons, as is, Tory, LD and Labour alike, and SNP, all of them, and start over
    How about a Cabinet of PBers, with a Parliament of the rest?

    TSE - PM
    Cyclefree - Home Secretary
    MaxPB - Chancellor
    BlancheLivermore - Foreign Secretary
    Dura Ace - Defence
    Casino Royale - Transport
    Me - Education
    Foxy - Health
    DavidL - Justice
    Moon rabbit - Minister for Sport
    Leon - Culture
    Eabhal - Scotland
    Y Bardd Cwsc - Wales
    Beibherli C - Northern Ireland
    Gallowgate - Levelling Up.
    Malmesbury - Leader of the House and responsible for the ONS assisted by tlg86

    Just think how much better a government that would be than this one...
    Sunil at Transport, surely!
    You can have it mate.

    I've had enough dealings with the DfT to last a lifetime.
    Hey, I'm willing to take on the DfE. Admittedly only for the pleasure of sacking them all.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 12,085
    OGH = PB Sovereign as Mike the Only; RCS = Crown Prince & Bot-finder General
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 51,354
    @Sunil_Prasannan at least I don't have to deal with you saying, "where's my Crossrail?" anymore.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 34,263
    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    nico679 said:

    I think a big mistake Starmer made was calling for resignations because of an investigation rather than at least waiting to the end of that .

    The Tories will be enjoying this but ironically they don’t want Starmer to resign . We all know Johnson is utterly shameless and his right wing paper friends will do their best to spin things but if Starmer goes the first thing most of the public will ask is why is Johnson still there .

    What happens if he gets more FPNs , what if the Sue Gray report is damning .

    Make the point that Johnson has broken the laws he created and should resign because he lied to parliament about doing to. I always said lying to parliament was the biggie.

    If we come out of this with Johnson still as PM and Starmer gone as the Met slap out a stack of FPNs and the Grey report details Johnson partying at the "I sacked Cummings" event I will likely wee myself laughing.
    Sorry that's rubbish - most ordinary people dont give a chit he lied to parliament , its that he made laws for them he could not keep himself.So he should go and Starmer should go given he voted for them as well.Maybe in future it will mean politicians think twice about imposing stupid laws on people because its the "right thing to do"
    I'm the only person not surprised by it but then I never took the Covid laws literally myself.

    I ignored the pettifogging interpretations that I found irrational or silly, and met my parents several times outside for walks and chats.

    Sure, I broke the laws. i sat on park benches with friends when that was literally (I think) illegal. Then-wife and I had a pizza in a house with another couple near the end of lockdown 1. Etc. Personally, however, I didn’t have a massive party at my home - Boris - nor did I order curry for 30 with a ton of booze and get loaded - Starmer. Nor did I, at the same time, impose stringent laws on the rest of British humanity, which I had no intention of obeying - Boris - and nor did I whine that these laws should be stricter and go on longer - Starmer - who had no intention of obeying

    Fuckers. I despise them

    I’d be quite happy to get rid of the entire House of Commons, as is, Tory, LD and Labour alike, and SNP, all of them, and start over
    How about a Cabinet of PBers, with a Parliament of the rest?

    TSE - PM
    Cyclefree - Home Secretary
    MaxPB - Chancellor
    BlancheLivermore - Foreign Secretary
    Dura Ace - Defence
    Casino Royale - Transport
    Me - Education
    Foxy - Health
    DavidL - Justice
    Moon rabbit - Minister for Sport
    Leon - Culture
    Eabhal - Scotland
    Y Bardd Cwsc - Wales
    Beibherli C - Northern Ireland
    Gallowgate - Levelling Up.
    Malmesbury - Leader of the House and responsible for the ONS assisted by tlg86

    Just think how much better a government that would be than this one...
    Sunil at Transport, surely!
    You ride it.

    Casino Royale and Josias Jessop build it.

    CR seems to have more to do with project management.
    I'll be chief Navvy. And to get TUD wound up, I'll be wearing an (orange) high-viz vest ... ;)
    No, that's fine - it's all in the context. Look up traffic lights in Larkhall.
    LOL. That's a bit of madness...
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 12,085
    Carnyx said:

    Despite my foreign birth, would like to be considered for post of Vice Secretary of Foreign Affairs. OR of Home Affairs. So long as the job combines "vice" with "affairs".

    Might make more sense, to name me Foreign Secretary for Vice Affairs!

    What's wrong with being US Ambassador?
    Senate confirmation! Would settle for Royal Warrant as Warden of the Finque Ports
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 31,630

    @Sunil_Prasannan at least I don't have to deal with you saying, "where's my Crossrail?" anymore.

    @Sunil_Prasannan at least I don't have to deal with you saying, "where's my Crossrail?" anymore.

    Talking about railways, since it is Saturday evening, I think a key aim must be to reopen this branch line, one of my favourites.

    https://www.abandonedspaces.com/industry/haytor-granite-tramway-unique-granite-railway-tracks.html?firefox=1
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 12,085

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    nico679 said:

    I think a big mistake Starmer made was calling for resignations because of an investigation rather than at least waiting to the end of that .

    The Tories will be enjoying this but ironically they don’t want Starmer to resign . We all know Johnson is utterly shameless and his right wing paper friends will do their best to spin things but if Starmer goes the first thing most of the public will ask is why is Johnson still there .

    What happens if he gets more FPNs , what if the Sue Gray report is damning .

    Make the point that Johnson has broken the laws he created and should resign because he lied to parliament about doing to. I always said lying to parliament was the biggie.

    If we come out of this with Johnson still as PM and Starmer gone as the Met slap out a stack of FPNs and the Grey report details Johnson partying at the "I sacked Cummings" event I will likely wee myself laughing.
    Sorry that's rubbish - most ordinary people dont give a chit he lied to parliament , its that he made laws for them he could not keep himself.So he should go and Starmer should go given he voted for them as well.Maybe in future it will mean politicians think twice about imposing stupid laws on people because its the "right thing to do"
    I'm the only person not surprised by it but then I never took the Covid laws literally myself.

    I ignored the pettifogging interpretations that I found irrational or silly, and met my parents several times outside for walks and chats.

    Sure, I broke the laws. i sat on park benches with friends when that was literally (I think) illegal. Then-wife and I had a pizza in a house with another couple near the end of lockdown 1. Etc. Personally, however, I didn’t have a massive party at my home - Boris - nor did I order curry for 30 with a ton of booze and get loaded - Starmer. Nor did I, at the same time, impose stringent laws on the rest of British humanity, which I had no intention of obeying - Boris - and nor did I whine that these laws should be stricter and go on longer - Starmer - who had no intention of obeying

    Fuckers. I despise them

    I’d be quite happy to get rid of the entire House of Commons, as is, Tory, LD and Labour alike, and SNP, all of them, and start over
    How about a Cabinet of PBers, with a Parliament of the rest?

    TSE - PM
    Cyclefree - Home Secretary
    MaxPB - Chancellor
    BlancheLivermore - Foreign Secretary
    Dura Ace - Defence
    Casino Royale - Transport
    Me - Education
    Foxy - Health
    DavidL - Justice
    Moon rabbit - Minister for Sport
    Leon - Culture
    Eabhal - Scotland
    Y Bardd Cwsc - Wales
    Beibherli C - Northern Ireland
    Gallowgate - Levelling Up.
    Malmesbury - Leader of the House and responsible for the ONS assisted by tlg86

    Just think how much better a government that would be than this one...
    Sunil at Transport, surely!
    You ride it.

    Casino Royale and Josias Jessop build it.

    CR seems to have more to do with project management.
    Ministries should be focused on what the user will experience, and who better to know that?

    I fear the roads and air infrastructure would go unsupported though.
    Not necessarily, I like roads. And planes too!
    What are your views re: revolutionary new pneumatic tube system to transport passengers & freight from Bognor Regis to Aberystwyth in under 3 minutes?

    Wooooooooosh!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 44,367
    Representation across the 4 Belfast constituencies (20 seats):

    8 Nationalist (7 SF, 1 SDLP)
    6 Unionist (5 DUP, 1 UUP)
    6 Other (5 Alliance, 1 People Before Profit)
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 18,507
    When the facts change I change my mind.

    Looks like it was an after-work social gathering. Guilty as charged.

    I listened to Starmer being interviewed this morning very carefully. He said that they were working, then stopped for something to eat. He didn't say that they then resumed work. The agenda indicates after the food, it was back to the hotel for bed.

    Oh dear. And it seems that Rayner was there too for the curry. Double oh dear.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 44,367

    @Sunil_Prasannan at least I don't have to deal with you saying, "where's my Crossrail?" anymore.

    OK, how about:

    "Where's my direct link from Stratford to Whitechapel?"

    and

    "Where's my direct link from the West End to Acton and Ealing?"

    :lol:
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 55,115
    They are all going to flee to Poland?


    Visegrád 24
    @visegrad24
    ·
    27m
    In an interview for La Repubblica, the Deputy Speaker of the Russian Parliament, Pyotr Tolstoy, stated that Russia won’t stop its “special military operation” in Ukraine until the Russian Army reaches the Polish border.

    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1523025055273619456
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 1,982

    When the facts change I change my mind.

    Looks like it was an after-work social gathering. Guilty as charged.

    I listened to Starmer being interviewed this morning very carefully. He said that they were working, then stopped for something to eat. He didn't say that they then resumed work. The agenda indicates after the food, it was back to the hotel for bed.

    Oh dear. And it seems that Rayner was there too for the curry. Double oh dear.

    It was an after-work socialist gathering, comrade. Not the same thing at all.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 31,630

    Carnyx said:

    Despite my foreign birth, would like to be considered for post of Vice Secretary of Foreign Affairs. OR of Home Affairs. So long as the job combines "vice" with "affairs".

    Might make more sense, to name me Foreign Secretary for Vice Affairs!

    What's wrong with being US Ambassador?
    Senate confirmation! Would settle for Royal Warrant as Warden of the Finque Ports
    Ah yes, US nationals permitted, Churchill W. and all that. Quite so.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 3,201
    EPG said:

    Sean_F said:

    F & ST

    3 SF
    1 UUP
    1DUP

    That is a shockingly bad result for SDLP.
    That's a no-change result, though, like everywhere west of the Bann, and the SDLP have only taken a seat there once since 2011 (and that was back when there were 6 seats, not 5).
    The SDLP came within 15 votes of losing their seat in Londonderry East.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 12,085
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Despite my foreign birth, would like to be considered for post of Vice Secretary of Foreign Affairs. OR of Home Affairs. So long as the job combines "vice" with "affairs".

    Might make more sense, to name me Foreign Secretary for Vice Affairs!

    What's wrong with being US Ambassador?
    Senate confirmation! Would settle for Royal Warrant as Warden of the Finque Ports
    Ah yes, US nationals permitted, Churchill W. and all that. Quite so.
    What I'm wondering, what would UKers consider "the Finque Ports" to be? Hartlepool? Blackpool?
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 3,201
    Carnyx said:

    Despite my foreign birth, would like to be considered for post of Vice Secretary of Foreign Affairs. OR of Home Affairs. So long as the job combines "vice" with "affairs".

    Might make more sense, to name me Foreign Secretary for Vice Affairs!

    What's wrong with being US Ambassador?
    Can I be Minister for Administrative Affairs, please?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 31,630

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Despite my foreign birth, would like to be considered for post of Vice Secretary of Foreign Affairs. OR of Home Affairs. So long as the job combines "vice" with "affairs".

    Might make more sense, to name me Foreign Secretary for Vice Affairs!

    What's wrong with being US Ambassador?
    Senate confirmation! Would settle for Royal Warrant as Warden of the Finque Ports
    Ah yes, US nationals permitted, Churchill W. and all that. Quite so.
    What I'm wondering, what would UKers consider "the Finque Ports" to be? Hartlepool? Blackpool?
    Peterborough and Fraserhead, of course, as famously enunciated by Mr Gove.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 12,085
    If any alien (from this solar system) is to be honored with PB's trust, then yours truly defers to Andrea.

    As well as other distinguished (if wrong-headed) furriners infesting this board.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Savanta ComRes

    Lab 41%
    Con 35%
    LD 9%
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 12,085

    Carnyx said:

    Despite my foreign birth, would like to be considered for post of Vice Secretary of Foreign Affairs. OR of Home Affairs. So long as the job combines "vice" with "affairs".

    Might make more sense, to name me Foreign Secretary for Vice Affairs!

    What's wrong with being US Ambassador?
    Can I be Minister for Administrative Affairs, please?
    So long as you pledge NOT to conduct your "affairs" on desktops.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 44,367

    Savanta ComRes

    Lab 41%
    Con 35%
    LD 9%

    No Tory poll leads for 5 months and a day :)
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 31,630

    Carnyx said:

    Despite my foreign birth, would like to be considered for post of Vice Secretary of Foreign Affairs. OR of Home Affairs. So long as the job combines "vice" with "affairs".

    Might make more sense, to name me Foreign Secretary for Vice Affairs!

    What's wrong with being US Ambassador?
    Can I be Minister for Administrative Affairs, please?
    So long as you pledge NOT to conduct your "affairs" on desktops.
    And under CCTV cameras which some unkind person has carefully redirected.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 21,919
    edited May 2022
    This morning Labour's net gains in England were 53 IIRC. Now down to 29 thanks to Tower Hamlets and Croydon.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2022/england/results
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 44,367

    When the facts change I change my mind.

    Looks like it was an after-work social gathering. Guilty as charged.

    I listened to Starmer being interviewed this morning very carefully. He said that they were working, then stopped for something to eat. He didn't say that they then resumed work. The agenda indicates after the food, it was back to the hotel for bed.

    Oh dear. And it seems that Rayner was there too for the curry. Double oh dear.

    It was an after-work socialist gathering, comrade. Not the same thing at all.
    Socialist distancing!
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 3,756
    edited May 2022

    When the facts change I change my mind.

    Looks like it was an after-work social gathering. Guilty as charged.

    I listened to Starmer being interviewed this morning very carefully. He said that they were working, then stopped for something to eat. He didn't say that they then resumed work. The agenda indicates after the food, it was back to the hotel for bed.

    Oh dear. And it seems that Rayner was there too for the curry. Double oh dear.

    Starmer should just carry on and pay the FPN if needed. The damage to Boris has already been done, because what was going on in Downing St was on a completely different scale, and people can see that. The bizarre thing is that the rules were always very popular with the public, but most people probably engaged in some sort of activity that could have resulted in an FPN. This whole episode was a weird experiment with the extremes of totalitarianism that will hopefully never be repeated.
  • People before Profit has got in in Foyle at the expense of the DUP.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146

    Savanta ComRes

    Lab 41%
    Con 35%
    LD 9%

    No Tory poll leads for 5 months and a day :)
    No Unionist party has topped a Scottish poll since August 2014.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 9,024
    Hey @wooliedyed - great to see you back!
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Andy_JS said:

    This morning Labour's net gains in England were 53 IIRC. Now down to 29 thanks to Tower Hamlets and Croydon.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2022/england/results

    Even Scottish Labour managed +20.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 4,849
    edited May 2022

    Savanta ComRes

    Lab 41%
    Con 35%
    LD 9%

    Polling before or after the locals? I would guess before because the Lib Dems usually get a little boost after a strong showing in council elections. I expect them to loiter around 12-13% for a bit (and greens 7-9%, with commensurate Labour decline) until normal 2-party politics reasserts itself.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 38,805

    murali_s said:

    Fwiw, a Johnson led Tory largest party with ca 310 seats would lead to 1974 double header, Johnson resigns and new election with new Tory and large majority 6 months later

    Tories can't govern with 310. Lepers?
    Chipper confident PB Tories planning their victory parade.

    How the **** did we avaid the catastrophic economic chaos currently predicted prior to GE 2024/25?
    Like Putin's victory parade, unlikely to go to plan...
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 12,085

    People before Profit has got in in Foyle at the expense of the DUP.

    And the 5th (or was it 4th) seat?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 21,919
    Tower Hamlets — popular vote [using highest vote method]:

    Aspire 31,071
    Lab 30,777
    Green 9,313
    LD 9,013
    Con 6,940
    Ind 993
    Resurrection Young People 611
    TUSC 301
    SDP 39

    Aspire 34.9%
    Lab 34.6%
    Green 10.5%
    LD 10.1%
    Con 10.5%
    Ind 1.1%
  • FishingFishing Posts: 4,006
    Tres said:

    Johnson will never resign. He is the turd that has to be flushed.

    On that, a formerly very senior Conservative Cabinet minister who knows Johnson well said more or less the same thing (minus the language) to me late last year. Boris just wants it too much.

    But then he's just like every Prime Minister in my lifetime apart from Wilson and maybe Cameron. None of them resigned while they felt they had an alternative.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 44,367

    People before Profit has got in in Foyle at the expense of the DUP.

    And the 5th (or was it 4th) seat?
    BBC and SKY yet to be updated past 3rd seat!
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 3,201

    People before Profit has got in in Foyle at the expense of the DUP.

    Based on the name, presumably they are Soviet Unionist?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 12,085
    Stereodog said:

    I've been enjoying the PB Cabinet chat. As a minor poster can I be Permanent Secretary of something? I'm already a civil servant so feel myself to be qualified.

    As long as your title amuses me, go for it! What in your professional opinion is the funniest bit of Brit govt?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 33,489

    People before Profit has got in in Foyle at the expense of the DUP.

    How did that happen, the UUP and DUP were well above a quota between them,
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 38,805

    They are all going to flee to Poland?


    Visegrád 24
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    In an interview for La Repubblica, the Deputy Speaker of the Russian Parliament, Pyotr Tolstoy, stated that Russia won’t stop its “special military operation” in Ukraine until the Russian Army reaches the Polish border.

    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1523025055273619456

    Delusional. By Autumn the Russian Army will be in Russia, in prison camps or in graves.
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