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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,391
    Baker seems to think it's 101 not 99, so going to need a canine pun instead.
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,111
    maaarsh said:

    DougSeal said:

    The important news today is that I have discovered the existence of a movie called 'Gatwick Gangsters' starring Willie Thorne, Bobby George and Gary Bushell. My life will never be the same again

    https://m.imdb.com/title/tt2794684/

    Posted here last month. Trailer looks far worse than you would even imagine.
    Apologies. I was having a PB detox most of November!
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,560
    IshmaelZ said:

    Scott_xP said:

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    Up there with the best Matt cartoons.
    Really? Spoilt by the element of bad manners for me.

    Contrary to what you were told last night lemons don't come easily off the tree when they are ripe. That's apples. Citrus you are always best to cut off with secateurs. Lemons are ripe when they are big enough to be worth picking. Additional fun fact: citrus turn from green to yellow/orange with a drop in temperature, not as a sign of ripeness. So in the tropics they stay green, and in temperate climates they are capable of turning back to green again come spring.
    Re Matt. Bad manners!? It's a joke ffs.

    Re Lemons. Thanks but now confused. So our No.s Lemon is, well, lemon-size, and had turned yellow. Are you saying it will turn into a lime in the spring? What would happen if we left it indefinitely? Presumably it would drop off at some point. (I preferred the certainty provided by @Cyclefree's instruction tbh!)
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,849
    "This is by far at the worst end of expectations" - Tory party meltdown over Covid rebellion begins. One official notes PM is in "very choppy waters"

    Tonight's @FinancialTimes splash on Boris Johnson's crushing defeats w/ @GeorgeWParker @JasmineCC_95 https://www.ft.com/content/43d9b13a-f58b-4059-9cec-b6022908bc6b
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187
    Scott_xP said:

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    Good efforts all round!
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109
    darkage said:

    The passing of the Covid passports are deeply regrettable. They are a tool of surveillance and have no meaningful utility or function in dealing with Covid, particularly as a) the vaccines do not prevent transmission of the virus and b) you can easily fake an LFT result. They are meaningless, but establish a framework for eventually introducing ID cards. The tory MPs were right to rebel against it.

    The rebellion means that Johnsons position in his party is ruined. Why did he get himself in this position, for something that won't make any difference? It seems like he has lost his political judgement completely. It is not like he was relying on the opposition votes to do something really difficult and important. Maybe he can bury it and bluster his way back; but it supports the speculation that he doesn't have either wise or smart advisors around him.

    He had political judgement to lose?
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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,391
    DougSeal said:

    maaarsh said:

    DougSeal said:

    The important news today is that I have discovered the existence of a movie called 'Gatwick Gangsters' starring Willie Thorne, Bobby George and Gary Bushell. My life will never be the same again

    https://m.imdb.com/title/tt2794684/

    Posted here last month. Trailer looks far worse than you would even imagine.
    Apologies. I was having a PB detox most of November!
    Let's just all be grateful that despite appearing to be on the verge of turning in to a porn film, it never does.
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,902
    The Tories are probably going to win N Shrops but the 2.7 I was offered this morning wasn’t long enough for my tastes. It still wouldn’t be.
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    “Teams in the office should ensure that they arrange themselves behind the perspex screens,” it read, adding: “All staff will be required to leave the office immediately after the end of the quiz."

    I mean, if you already been sitting in the office for hours, then you stay for a quiz, I don't think a perspex screen or leaving immediately is going to make much difference to your covid safety....
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    tlg86 said:

    Scott_xP said:

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    Good efforts all round!
    Hand, Face, First Place is my favourite.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Hand, Face, First Place is superb.
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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,001
    maaarsh said:

    EPG said:

    Betting market for when Covid passes go away? Innocent face

    The regulations lapse on 26th Jan...



    Sorry, I'll be more serious in future.
    In all seriousness, I and presumably other people now operate on the presumption that governments all over the world lie to their people about the most important and invasive policies they advocate.
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    moonshine said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Keir Starmer says vote tonight - with 99 Tories rebelling - shows Boris Johnson is “too weak to discharge the basic functions of government".

    "PM needs to take a long, hard look at himself and ask himself whether he has the authority to take this country through the pandemic".

    https://twitter.com/ashcowburn/status/1470847384502644745

    Says the Leader of the Opposition who is too weak to provide any Opposition.

    He apparently thinks that Boris is doing such a great job he'll nod through his laws without any demands, any amendments and without any criticism.

    Keir should take a long, hard look at himself and ask himself whether he has the authority to be an Opposition Leader during a pandemic.
    It’s quite the thought that if Corbyn was Labour leader still, then BoJo would have lost that vote in a landslide and most likely be out on his arse by the weekend.

    Quite disappointing that Starmer didn’t use this power to extract something useful for his support. Free FFP3s for the vulnerable, financial support for hospitality, accelerated plans for ventilation in primary schools, domestication of LTF and PPE supply chains etc etc etc…

    I don’t care what Mr Horse Battery says, Starmer is a waste of space and in his own way, as bad as Johnson because he clearly cares more about games than improving the lot of the nation.
    A more capable labour leader would have found a way to vote against ensuring a government defeat and probably Boris resignation

    He really is not very good at the politics

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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,319
    Pagan2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Pagan2 said:

    apologies people Chris made my blood boil

    No apology required. What I don't understand with people like him is the "I'm alright Jack" attack line which is universally applied to anyone arguing against restrictions. Everybody is vulnerable to this virus, so where does the "I'm alright" element of the claim come from?
    Everyone is vulnerable, me more than most. I am 53, have copd, asthma, I am a little overweight though only 15 lbs or so. However I live in a studio apartment so not much space. I haven't seen my gf in 2 years though we speak every day on discord. The restrictions have become worse than the disease as I quietly go mad. And idiots like him want to keep restrictions because they aren't suffering and make flippant remarks about "meeting partners"
    I'm sorry things are so difficult and about the health issues, but I don't fully understand. There hasn't been a ban on meeting one other person except in the deepest lockdown. If you've not seen your girlfriend for two years you must have had other reasons, perhaps your or her state of health? I'm not questioning that at all, but the position is unchanged and will remain so under the restrictions just passed - you can see her any time you feel it's sufficiently safe.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,849
    EXCLUSIVE: Extraordinary image shows 'raucous' Xmas party thrown by Tory aides in lockdown breach
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/extraordinary-image-shows-raucous-xmas-25699183
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,902
    Who were the Labour Noes?
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    Up there with the best Matt cartoons.
    Really? Spoilt by the element of bad manners for me.

    Contrary to what you were told last night lemons don't come easily off the tree when they are ripe. That's apples. Citrus you are always best to cut off with secateurs. Lemons are ripe when they are big enough to be worth picking. Additional fun fact: citrus turn from green to yellow/orange with a drop in temperature, not as a sign of ripeness. So in the tropics they stay green, and in temperate climates they are capable of turning back to green again come spring.
    Re Matt. Bad manners!? It's a joke ffs.

    Re Lemons. Thanks but now confused. So our No.s Lemon is, well, lemon-size, and had turned yellow. Are you saying it will turn into a lime in the spring? What would happen if we left it indefinitely? Presumably it would drop off at some point. (I preferred the certainty provided by @Cyclefree's instruction tbh!)
    If it's lemon sized and yellow it is ready to rock. I mean, what's the downside, ripeness-wise, with a lemon, given that acidity is its USP anyway? If you leave it indefinitely it will just get tired and floppy, and possibly turn into a green lemon (not a lime, it'll still be a lemon).
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    Scott_xP said:

    EXCLUSIVE: Extraordinary image shows 'raucous' Xmas party thrown by Tory aides in lockdown breach
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/extraordinary-image-shows-raucous-xmas-25699183

    Tory parties seem a bit shit if I am honest....glad I don't get invited to any.
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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,391
    EPG said:

    maaarsh said:

    EPG said:

    Betting market for when Covid passes go away? Innocent face

    The regulations lapse on 26th Jan...



    Sorry, I'll be more serious in future.
    In all seriousness, I and presumably other people now operate on the presumption that governments all over the world lie to their people about the most important and invasive policies they advocate.
    It wouldn't work as well if they just said this was about making you forget they had a party. I say a party in singular, but presumably the entirely believably accusations of regular November dos in the prime ministerial flat is the smoking gun they really want to move things on from.
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    Scott_xP said:

    EXCLUSIVE: Extraordinary image shows 'raucous' Xmas party thrown by Tory aides in lockdown breach
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/extraordinary-image-shows-raucous-xmas-25699183

    Scott_xP said:

    EXCLUSIVE: Extraordinary image shows 'raucous' Xmas party thrown by Tory aides in lockdown breach
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/extraordinary-image-shows-raucous-xmas-25699183

    Hence Bailey's resignation
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,043
    edited December 2021

    MaxPB said:

    Boris will be deposed if he tries to implement lockdown. Well done actual Tories. You've ended the tyranny of unelected experts.

    He's also fucked if he's seen to personally break any restriction from now on.
    Nobody in authority seems to have minded so far. Why would that change?
    Because his authority and popularity have drained away.
    I am convinced neither of those assertions are correct in the medium term. It may look that way now, but by the middle of January?
    For that to happen Boris needs a very good winter.

    Which means a minimal hit to the UK while European countries get hammered by Delta and Omicron.

    Its possible though that does lead to many Conservative MPs then thinking that new restrictions were unnecessary.
    Several of the PB Tory Brains Trust have assured me that Omicron is mild and a Delta killer. I hope they are right. Although even if they are correct my biggest fear is that the NHS still falls over under the strain. This is why Johnson is right today and Johnny Public is right behind him.
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    moonshine said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Keir Starmer says vote tonight - with 99 Tories rebelling - shows Boris Johnson is “too weak to discharge the basic functions of government".

    "PM needs to take a long, hard look at himself and ask himself whether he has the authority to take this country through the pandemic".

    https://twitter.com/ashcowburn/status/1470847384502644745

    Says the Leader of the Opposition who is too weak to provide any Opposition.

    He apparently thinks that Boris is doing such a great job he'll nod through his laws without any demands, any amendments and without any criticism.

    Keir should take a long, hard look at himself and ask himself whether he has the authority to be an Opposition Leader during a pandemic.
    It’s quite the thought that if Corbyn was Labour leader still, then BoJo would have lost that vote in a landslide and most likely be out on his arse by the weekend.

    Quite disappointing that Starmer didn’t use this power to extract something useful for his support. Free FFP3s for the vulnerable, financial support for hospitality, accelerated plans for ventilation in primary schools, domestication of LTF and PPE supply chains etc etc etc…

    I don’t care what Mr Horse Battery says, Starmer is a waste of space and in his own way, as bad as Johnson because he clearly cares more about games than improving the lot of the nation.
    Exactly. He should have had a 'price' to extract for his support. Some good suggestions there. Had he said "we will only be able to support this if [key demand here]" and put an amendment down he'd have been able to force the government into a u-turn on something as they'd have needed his votes.

    Instead he gave them a blank cheque. Apparently hospitality doesn't need any more support, nor do the vulnerable, or anyone else.

    What a farce of an "Opposition" leader. Pathetic. @bigjohnowls was right.
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    pingping Posts: 3,731
    edited December 2021

    The Tories are probably going to win N Shrops but the 2.7 I was offered this morning wasn’t long enough for my tastes. It still wouldn’t be.

    This comment isn’t logically consistent.

    “Probably going to win” = >50%
    2.7 is 37% chance

    That’s a big arb
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited December 2021

    Who were the Labour Noes?

    Team Jezzaaaaaaa.......
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    Scott_xP said:

    EXCLUSIVE: Extraordinary image shows 'raucous' Xmas party thrown by Tory aides in lockdown breach
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/extraordinary-image-shows-raucous-xmas-25699183

    Tory parties seem a bit shit if I am honest....glad I don't get invited to any.
    You need to go to the right ones.

    The conferences ones were *ahem* always interesting.

    The Team 2020 ones (for the 2015 GE campaign) really was just for shagging with a bit of campaigning attached.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Scott_xP said:

    EXCLUSIVE: Extraordinary image shows 'raucous' Xmas party thrown by Tory aides in lockdown breach
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/extraordinary-image-shows-raucous-xmas-25699183

    Diminishing returns from the Mirror. Show us Boris doing a line off a hooker's arse.
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    Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 8,826

    Pagan2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Pagan2 said:

    apologies people Chris made my blood boil

    No apology required. What I don't understand with people like him is the "I'm alright Jack" attack line which is universally applied to anyone arguing against restrictions. Everybody is vulnerable to this virus, so where does the "I'm alright" element of the claim come from?
    Everyone is vulnerable, me more than most. I am 53, have copd, asthma, I am a little overweight though only 15 lbs or so. However I live in a studio apartment so not much space. I haven't seen my gf in 2 years though we speak every day on discord. The restrictions have become worse than the disease as I quietly go mad. And idiots like him want to keep restrictions because they aren't suffering and make flippant remarks about "meeting partners"
    I'm sorry things are so difficult and about the health issues, but I don't fully understand. There hasn't been a ban on meeting one other person except in the deepest lockdown. If you've not seen your girlfriend for two years you must have had other reasons, perhaps your or her state of health? I'm not questioning that at all, but the position is unchanged and will remain so under the restrictions just passed - you can see her any time you feel it's sufficiently safe.
    She went back home to australia on a month long visit just before the covid lockdown. Because of the way australia is being she is scared to leave in case she cant just fly back. Her 26 year old son has a heart condition so she decided to stay and I agree with her decision. If she could fly back and forth at will she would have been back
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,849
    Have to admire the fanbois desperate spin tonight.

    After BoZo gets his ass handed to him, "Why isn't Starmer any better?"

    Bravo lads.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,043
    edited December 2021

    Scott_xP said:

    EXCLUSIVE: Extraordinary image shows 'raucous' Xmas party thrown by Tory aides in lockdown breach
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/extraordinary-image-shows-raucous-xmas-25699183

    Scott_xP said:

    EXCLUSIVE: Extraordinary image shows 'raucous' Xmas party thrown by Tory aides in lockdown breach
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/extraordinary-image-shows-raucous-xmas-25699183

    Hence Bailey's resignation
    Was RLB there? Wow!
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,849
    expect to see this image on a thousand opposition leaflets in the coming months
    https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1470855685416103950/photo/1
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    Scott_xP said:

    Have to admire the fanbois desperate spin tonight.

    After BoZo gets his ass handed to him, "Why isn't Starmer any better?"

    Bravo lads.

    And Starmer had a golden opportunity tonight and he fluffed it
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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,391
    Scott_xP said:

    Have to admire the fanbois desperate spin tonight.

    After BoZo gets his ass handed to him, "Why isn't Starmer any better?"

    Bravo lads.

    They can both be shit you know. It's not like Brexit where if you don't like it, you have to spend 4 years posting utter shite about how great the EU is.
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    moonshine said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Keir Starmer says vote tonight - with 99 Tories rebelling - shows Boris Johnson is “too weak to discharge the basic functions of government".

    "PM needs to take a long, hard look at himself and ask himself whether he has the authority to take this country through the pandemic".

    https://twitter.com/ashcowburn/status/1470847384502644745

    Says the Leader of the Opposition who is too weak to provide any Opposition.

    He apparently thinks that Boris is doing such a great job he'll nod through his laws without any demands, any amendments and without any criticism.

    Keir should take a long, hard look at himself and ask himself whether he has the authority to be an Opposition Leader during a pandemic.
    It’s quite the thought that if Corbyn was Labour leader still, then BoJo would have lost that vote in a landslide and most likely be out on his arse by the weekend.

    Quite disappointing that Starmer didn’t use this power to extract something useful for his support. Free FFP3s for the vulnerable, financial support for hospitality, accelerated plans for ventilation in primary schools, domestication of LTF and PPE supply chains etc etc etc…

    I don’t care what Mr Horse Battery says, Starmer is a waste of space and in his own way, as bad as Johnson because he clearly cares more about games than improving the lot of the nation.
    A more capable labour leader would have found a way to vote against ensuring a government defeat and probably Boris resignation

    He really is not very good at the politics

    Or maybe he's playing an extra move ahead.

    That could either be that he genuinely believes these regulations are needed, and that BoJo is slightly more plugged into reality than any likely successor. I can respect that.

    Or that keeping BoJo in place but wounded is in the longer term partisan interest of Labour. I'm not sure that's respectable, but it might be true.

    Electoral politics is a long game. Usually. 2015-19 weren't, but that was the problem.
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    Scott_xP said:

    EXCLUSIVE: Extraordinary image shows 'raucous' Xmas party thrown by Tory aides in lockdown breach
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/extraordinary-image-shows-raucous-xmas-25699183

    Scott_xP said:

    EXCLUSIVE: Extraordinary image shows 'raucous' Xmas party thrown by Tory aides in lockdown breach
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/extraordinary-image-shows-raucous-xmas-25699183

    Hence Bailey's resignation
    Was RLB there? Wow!
    Who
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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,391

    moonshine said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Keir Starmer says vote tonight - with 99 Tories rebelling - shows Boris Johnson is “too weak to discharge the basic functions of government".

    "PM needs to take a long, hard look at himself and ask himself whether he has the authority to take this country through the pandemic".

    https://twitter.com/ashcowburn/status/1470847384502644745

    Says the Leader of the Opposition who is too weak to provide any Opposition.

    He apparently thinks that Boris is doing such a great job he'll nod through his laws without any demands, any amendments and without any criticism.

    Keir should take a long, hard look at himself and ask himself whether he has the authority to be an Opposition Leader during a pandemic.
    It’s quite the thought that if Corbyn was Labour leader still, then BoJo would have lost that vote in a landslide and most likely be out on his arse by the weekend.

    Quite disappointing that Starmer didn’t use this power to extract something useful for his support. Free FFP3s for the vulnerable, financial support for hospitality, accelerated plans for ventilation in primary schools, domestication of LTF and PPE supply chains etc etc etc…

    I don’t care what Mr Horse Battery says, Starmer is a waste of space and in his own way, as bad as Johnson because he clearly cares more about games than improving the lot of the nation.
    A more capable labour leader would have found a way to vote against ensuring a government defeat and probably Boris resignation

    He really is not very good at the politics

    Or maybe he's playing an extra move ahead.

    That could either be that he genuinely believes these regulations are needed, and that BoJo is slightly more plugged into reality than any likely successor. I can respect that.

    Or that keeping BoJo in place but wounded is in the longer term partisan interest of Labour. I'm not sure that's respectable, but it might be true.

    Electoral politics is a long game. Usually. 2015-19 weren't, but that was the problem.
    If he's ultimately going to face someone else in the next election, it's in his interest to make his future opponant dip their hand in pitch as soon as possible.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,043
    edited December 2021
    Scott_xP said:

    Have to admire the fanbois desperate spin tonight.

    After BoZo gets his ass handed to him, "Why isn't Starmer any better?"

    Bravo lads.

    Phil is on fire. Not quite up to "Boris is The Rock" narrative from yesterday, but good stuff nonetheless.

    And yesterday G, assured me Starmer's speech was dire. I had a look later and thought it was fine. It was supremely statesmanlike compared to the Peppa Pig speech or Johnson's speech from the evening before.
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    Scott_xP said:

    expect to see this image on a thousand opposition leaflets in the coming months
    https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1470855685416103950/photo/1

    Is there a single face on there that anyone in the public would recognise?

    Not sure that's much use otherwise. "Nobodies you never heard of had a party" may not be the killer you think it is.

    Though you could probably find Ishmael's 'Boris doing a line off a hooker's arse' photo and somehow Keir will come off worse from it. 😂
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,343
    maaarsh said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Have to admire the fanbois desperate spin tonight.

    After BoZo gets his ass handed to him, "Why isn't Starmer any better?"

    Bravo lads.

    They can both be shit you know. It's not like Brexit where if you don't like it, you have to spend 4 years posting utter shite about how great the EU is.
    One is perhaps a bit; the other a huge, steaming pile.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Scott_xP said:

    expect to see this image on a thousand opposition leaflets in the coming months
    https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1470855685416103950/photo/1

    There's nobody there that we know, though. This is really thin stuff.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187
    Scott_xP said:

    expect to see this image on a thousand opposition leaflets in the coming months
    https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1470855685416103950/photo/1

    There's a 10 in that picture.
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    Has the HOC gone into recess now
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,343

    Scott_xP said:

    EXCLUSIVE: Extraordinary image shows 'raucous' Xmas party thrown by Tory aides in lockdown breach
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/extraordinary-image-shows-raucous-xmas-25699183

    Tory parties seem a bit shit if I am honest....glad I don't get invited to any.
    Yes, after the promisingly dramatic headline, this was sadly bathetic.
    Some of the group are shown wearing paper hats while one is sporting a House of Commons Christmas jumper...
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775
    @RochdalePioneers
    Any ideas where Duguid was today? Doesn't seem to have voted. Do you know whether he was paired, abstaining, hiding in a freezer?
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    Scott_xP said:

    Have to admire the fanbois desperate spin tonight.

    After BoZo gets his ass handed to him, "Why isn't Starmer any better?"

    Bravo lads.

    Phil is on fire. Not quite up to "Boris is The Rock" narrative from yesterday, but good stuff nonetheless.
    Tony Blair would never have been so pathetic as Starmer was today.

    Starmer could have said he could only pass this if there were more support offered to hospitality [or countless other demands, pick your poison] and he'd have either won a major victory as that support was offered to win his votes, or the government would have been defeated.

    Instead he gave them a blank cheque. No demands, nothing.

    What a pathetic loser Starmer is.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,584
    Farooq said:

    @RochdalePioneers
    Any ideas where Duguid was today? Doesn't seem to have voted. Do you know whether he was paired, abstaining, hiding in a freezer?

    English regulations, so not relevant to him? SNP seem to have abstained. But I didn't check all votes.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,247
    edited December 2021
    Farooq said:

    @RochdalePioneers
    Any ideas where Duguid was today? Doesn't seem to have voted. Do you know whether he was paired, abstaining, hiding in a freezer?

    Did not vote (abstained)
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    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1470855418243162113

    BoJo next, honestly how stupid can you be?
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    MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,415

    Has the HOC gone into recess now

    Yes.

    Until the recall to vote through Plan C. 🙂
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,043
    maaarsh said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Have to admire the fanbois desperate spin tonight.

    After BoZo gets his ass handed to him, "Why isn't Starmer any better?"

    Bravo lads.

    They can both be shit you know. It's not like Brexit where if you don't like it, you have to spend 4 years posting utter shite about how great the EU is.
    You clearly haven't nuanced Scott's posts. I suspect like me he has never claimed the EU to be great, just that the alternative of Brexit has proven to be considerably worse
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775
    Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    @RochdalePioneers
    Any ideas where Duguid was today? Doesn't seem to have voted. Do you know whether he was paired, abstaining, hiding in a freezer?

    English regulations, so not relevant to him? SNP seem to have abstained. But I didn't check all votes.
    I thought Conservatives often voted even on England only issues?
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,116

    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1470855418243162113

    BoJo next, honestly how stupid can you be?

    Do you have any proof of this, or just hoping?
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,043

    Scott_xP said:

    Have to admire the fanbois desperate spin tonight.

    After BoZo gets his ass handed to him, "Why isn't Starmer any better?"

    Bravo lads.

    Phil is on fire. Not quite up to "Boris is The Rock" narrative from yesterday, but good stuff nonetheless.
    Tony Blair would never have been so pathetic as Starmer was today.

    Starmer could have said he could only pass this if there were more support offered to hospitality [or countless other demands, pick your poison] and he'd have either won a major victory as that support was offered to win his votes, or the government would have been defeated.

    Instead he gave them a blank cheque. No demands, nothing.

    What a pathetic loser Starmer is.
    Well he won tonight...as did Johnson.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,445
    Farooq said:

    @RochdalePioneers
    Any ideas where Duguid was today? Doesn't seem to have voted. Do you know whether he was paired, abstaining, hiding in a freezer?

    Apparently all the Scottish Tories abstained.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited December 2021
    Is this really the best brains of Britain doing the "modelling".....

    Omicron: We delve into the data - Where the 200k figure came from. Also that wasn't even UK, it was for ENGLAND.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tm2wtMgN0wQ

    That's not a model, that just a ridiculous dumb guess. Your uncertainty in the seed number and the doubling rate are huge, plus no consideration of behavioural change / vaccinations etc.

    How much do we pay these idiots for this nonsense? Its like asking Kenny Snr out of Phoenix's Nights what he thinks the number of infections are.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,445

    Has the HOC gone into recess now

    Thursday I think.
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    moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,244
    Scott_xP said:

    Have to admire the fanbois desperate spin tonight.

    After BoZo gets his ass handed to him, "Why isn't Starmer any better?"

    Bravo lads.

    You are a thick and partisan mug.

    I wrote to my Mp this week imploring him to vote against the measures and then to send in his letter to the 1922. The third time I have asked him to do so in the last year. Despite being on Guido’s list he voted in favour.

    It’s possible for me to recognise that both main leaders right now are a diabolical let down for this country.

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    Andy_JS said:

    Has the HOC gone into recess now

    Thursday I think.
    I am fairly certain it is tonight
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,849
    A bleak winter for many restaurants ahead - the clamour for a bailout will be huge in the coming weeks. https://twitter.com/cheftomkerridge/status/1470840990130921474
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,584
    Andy_JS said:

    Farooq said:

    @RochdalePioneers
    Any ideas where Duguid was today? Doesn't seem to have voted. Do you know whether he was paired, abstaining, hiding in a freezer?

    Apparently all the Scottish Tories abstained.
    Would save having to take sides in the incipient civil war.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 46,751
    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    EXCLUSIVE: Extraordinary image shows 'raucous' Xmas party thrown by Tory aides in lockdown breach
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/extraordinary-image-shows-raucous-xmas-25699183

    Tory parties seem a bit shit if I am honest....glad I don't get invited to any.
    Yes, after the promisingly dramatic headline, this was sadly bathetic.
    Some of the group are shown wearing paper hats while one is sporting a House of Commons Christmas jumper...
    It’s not ‘100 days of Sodom’ is it?

    It’s some young people trying to have slightly forlorn fun in a terrible lonely plague. It won’t shift a vote, it might even backfire, mildly
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,509
    edited December 2021

    MaxPB said:

    Boris will be deposed if he tries to implement lockdown. Well done actual Tories. You've ended the tyranny of unelected experts.

    He's also fucked if he's seen to personally break any restriction from now on.
    Nobody in authority seems to have minded so far. Why would that change?
    Because his authority and popularity have drained away.
    I am convinced neither of those assertions are correct in the medium term. It may look that way now, but by the middle of January?
    For that to happen Boris needs a very good winter.

    Which means a minimal hit to the UK while European countries get hammered by Delta and Omicron.

    Its possible though that does lead to many Conservative MPs then thinking that new restrictions were unnecessary.
    Several of the PB Tory Brains Trust have assured me that Omicron is mild and a Delta killer. I hope they are right. Although even if they are correct my biggest fear is that the NHS still falls over under the strain. This is why Johnson is right today and Johnny Public is right behind him.
    There is some interesting data from South Africas biggest insurer in this twitter thread. Decent data rather than anecdata:

    https://twitter.com/miamalan/status/1470684351151157252?t=lXJ6l4hEFLN-sLFuHgX_ew&s=19

    This slide shows that there is 29% reduction in risk of admission compared to the original version. Somewhat better, but not great. There is stuff on Pfizer double vax giving 70% protection, so respectable efficacy.



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    Farooq said:

    @RochdalePioneers
    Any ideas where Duguid was today? Doesn't seem to have voted. Do you know whether he was paired, abstaining, hiding in a freezer?

    As he inserted himself into Johnson's rectum a few weeks ago I assume he is still there.
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    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1470855418243162113

    BoJo next, honestly how stupid can you be?

    Do you have any proof of this, or just hoping?
    I don't have proof but Pippar has been teasing it for over a week
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    Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 4,800
    So, week on week growth for London. I'm using figures with a view to getting the most up to date picture of the growth rate:

    All London, yesterday, 54% growth (yesterday's incomplete 11/12 figure vs 4/12).
    Today. 88% growth (today's incomplete 12/12 vs 5/12)

    Zone 1, yesterday, 91% growth (11th Vs 4th)
    today, 138% growth (12th Vs 5th)

    I'm using the incomplete figures from very recent days as they are higher than the complete figures already.

    138% growth with a 2.5-3 day generation time suggests R of 1.36-1.45, but the growth rate is not fully down to Omicron yet, so that likely to go higher.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,343
    This is encouraging.

    Bugs across globe are evolving to eat plastic, study finds
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/dec/14/bugs-across-globe-are-evolving-to-eat-plastic-study-finds
    … “We found multiple lines of evidence supporting the fact that the global microbiome’s plastic-degrading potential correlates strongly with measurements of environmental plastic pollution – a significant demonstration of how the environment is responding to the pressures we are placing on it,” said Prof Aleksej Zelezniak, at Chalmers University of Technology in Sweden…
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,902
    ping said:

    The Tories are probably going to win N Shrops but the 2.7 I was offered this morning wasn’t long enough for my tastes. It still wouldn’t be.

    This comment isn’t logically consistent.

    “Probably going to win” = >50%
    2.7 is 37% chance

    That’s a big arb
    I wasn’t as confident when offered those odds
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    Pro_Rata said:

    So, week on week growth for London. I'm using figures with a view to getting the most up to date picture of the growth rate:

    All London, yesterday, 54% growth (yesterday's incomplete 11/12 figure vs 4/12).
    Today. 88% growth (today's incomplete 12/12 vs 5/12)

    Zone 1, yesterday, 91% growth (11th Vs 4th)
    today, 138% growth (12th Vs 5th)

    I'm using the incomplete figures from very recent days as they are higher than the complete figures already.

    138% growth with a 2.5-3 day generation time suggests R of 1.36-1.45, but the growth rate is not fully down to Omicron yet, so that likely to go higher.

    More restrictions clearly needed
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,560
    edited December 2021

    Scott_xP said:

    Have to admire the fanbois desperate spin tonight.

    After BoZo gets his ass handed to him, "Why isn't Starmer any better?"

    Bravo lads.

    And Starmer had a golden opportunity tonight and he fluffed it
    You'd have been the first to accuse him of rampant political opportunism if he'd voted against what seem like sensible measures under the circumstances.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961

    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1470855418243162113

    BoJo next, honestly how stupid can you be?

    Do you have any proof of this, or just hoping?
    I don't have proof but Pippar has been teasing it for over a week
    Can you give us an example?
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,445

    Who were the Labour Noes?

    Diane Abbott
    Apsana Begum
    Dawn Butler
    Emma Lewell-Buck
    Clive Lewis
    Rebecca Long Bailey
    Bell Ribeiro-Addy
    Graham Stringer

    Plus Jeremy Corbyn.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,849
    Andy_JS said:

    Has the HOC gone into recess now

    Thursday I think.
    They moved it from Thursday to today to avoid BoZo getting thrashed at PMQs again
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    Is Labour actually fighting that by-election or just paying lip service?
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    Scott_xP said:

    Have to admire the fanbois desperate spin tonight.

    After BoZo gets his ass handed to him, "Why isn't Starmer any better?"

    Bravo lads.

    Phil is on fire. Not quite up to "Boris is The Rock" narrative from yesterday, but good stuff nonetheless.
    Tony Blair would never have been so pathetic as Starmer was today.

    Starmer could have said he could only pass this if there were more support offered to hospitality [or countless other demands, pick your poison] and he'd have either won a major victory as that support was offered to win his votes, or the government would have been defeated.

    Instead he gave them a blank cheque. No demands, nothing.

    What a pathetic loser Starmer is.
    Well he won tonight...as did Johnson.
    Johnson won, he got his bill through.

    What did Starmer win? Did he win an amendment? A concession?

    Simply saying "I think Boris is doing a great job, I have nothing better to say, nothing I can improve on this" is not a victory for Starmer.
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    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1470855418243162113

    BoJo next, honestly how stupid can you be?

    Do you have any proof of this, or just hoping?
    I don't have proof but Pippar has been teasing it for over a week
    Months
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    MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,415
    edited December 2021

    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1470855418243162113

    BoJo next, honestly how stupid can you be?

    Do you have any proof of this, or just hoping?
    I don't have proof but Pippar has been teasing it for over a week
    We’ll find out this time tomorrow night if they have anything. They won’t wait till after Conservative Shire vote wether to keep Boris or not.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,849
    Remember when the invincible Conservatives were dead certs to go to the electorate early in 2023 to capitalise on their COVID honeymoon driven dominant position? That was way back in...October

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-general-election-could-come-25125758
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,902
    Jesus. The Tories need removing from office on account of being unable to party properly. These gigs are pony.
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    Scott_xP said:

    A bleak winter for many restaurants ahead - the clamour for a bailout will be huge in the coming weeks. https://twitter.com/cheftomkerridge/status/1470840990130921474

    Starmer could have made a bailout a condition of his votes tonight.

    The "Opposition" leader didn't think it was worth opposing though. 🙄
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    MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,415
    edited December 2021

    Andy_JS said:

    Has the HOC gone into recess now

    Thursday I think.
    I am fairly certain it is tonight
    You are right Big G.

    The speaker announced last week.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,445
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    EXCLUSIVE: Extraordinary image shows 'raucous' Xmas party thrown by Tory aides in lockdown breach
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/extraordinary-image-shows-raucous-xmas-25699183

    Tory parties seem a bit shit if I am honest....glad I don't get invited to any.
    Yes, after the promisingly dramatic headline, this was sadly bathetic.
    Some of the group are shown wearing paper hats while one is sporting a House of Commons Christmas jumper...
    It’s not ‘100 days of Sodom’ is it?

    It’s some young people trying to have slightly forlorn fun in a terrible lonely plague. It won’t shift a vote, it might even backfire, mildly
    The problem is Keir Starmer thinks it will shift votes.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,560
    edited December 2021
    Scott_xP said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Has the HOC gone into recess now

    Thursday I think.
    They moved it from Thursday to today to avoid BoZo getting thrashed at PMQs again
    No. It was mooted but dropped. Parliament recesses on Thursday.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1470855418243162113

    BoJo next, honestly how stupid can you be?

    Do you have any proof of this, or just hoping?
    I don't have proof but Pippar has been teasing it for over a week
    Teasing's great, but ateotd you have to get your tits out for the lads. Looks a bit feeble otherwise.
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    Scott_xP said:

    Have to admire the fanbois desperate spin tonight.

    After BoZo gets his ass handed to him, "Why isn't Starmer any better?"

    Bravo lads.

    And Starmer had a golden opportunity tonight and he fluffed it
    You'd have been the first to accuse him of rampant political opportunism if he'd voted against what seem like sensible measures under the circumstances.
    Politics !!!!
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187

    Is Labour actually fighting that by-election or just paying lip service?

    Got some bar charts:

    https://order-order.com/2021/12/14/labour-bring-out-the-bar-charts-against-libdems-in-north-shropshire/

    I wonder if Labour think the Lib Dems are so far in front that they can afford to try to save their deposit.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,043
    moonshine said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Have to admire the fanbois desperate spin tonight.

    After BoZo gets his ass handed to him, "Why isn't Starmer any better?"

    Bravo lads.

    You are a thick and partisan mug.

    I wrote to my Mp this week imploring him to vote against the measures and then to send in his letter to the 1922. The third time I have asked him to do so in the last year. Despite being on Guido’s list he voted in favour.

    It’s possible for me to recognise that both main leaders right now are a diabolical let down for this country.

    One considerably moreso than the other.
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,116

    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1470855418243162113

    BoJo next, honestly how stupid can you be?

    Do you have any proof of this, or just hoping?
    I don't have proof but Pippar has been teasing it for over a week
    We’ll see. Sunday was pretty weak stuff, so I’d be surprised if they have something as dramatic as you hope.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,560

    Scott_xP said:

    Have to admire the fanbois desperate spin tonight.

    After BoZo gets his ass handed to him, "Why isn't Starmer any better?"

    Bravo lads.

    And Starmer had a golden opportunity tonight and he fluffed it
    You'd have been the first to accuse him of rampant political opportunism if he'd voted against what seem like sensible measures under the circumstances.
    Politics !!!!
    ??
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    RobD said:

    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1470855418243162113

    BoJo next, honestly how stupid can you be?

    Do you have any proof of this, or just hoping?
    I don't have proof but Pippar has been teasing it for over a week
    Can you give us an example?
    No he cannot
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    Nigelb said:

    This is encouraging.

    Bugs across globe are evolving to eat plastic, study finds
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/dec/14/bugs-across-globe-are-evolving-to-eat-plastic-study-finds
    … “We found multiple lines of evidence supporting the fact that the global microbiome’s plastic-degrading potential correlates strongly with measurements of environmental plastic pollution – a significant demonstration of how the environment is responding to the pressures we are placing on it,” said Prof Aleksej Zelezniak, at Chalmers University of Technology in Sweden…

    Time to dig out my copy of Mutant 59: The Plastic-Eater which I believe was a novelization from the early '70s BBC series Doomwatch.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited December 2021
    So I have just done some "Modelling" in the HSA style....So I picked a random number of 150,000 Omicron cases today, a doubling time for 5s and I have calculated that the whole world will have Omicron in the next day....

    I bet the idiots working for the HSA fall for pyramid schemes all the time....what I only have to recommend 5 friends....and they have to recommend 5 friends..
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775

    Scott_xP said:

    A bleak winter for many restaurants ahead - the clamour for a bailout will be huge in the coming weeks. https://twitter.com/cheftomkerridge/status/1470840990130921474

    Starmer could have made a bailout a condition of his votes tonight.

    The "Opposition" leader didn't think it was worth opposing though. 🙄
    The other people who tend to chime in with the notion that the "opposition" should "oppose" are the thickest of the thick Corbynites.
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    Scott_xP said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Has the HOC gone into recess now

    Thursday I think.
    They moved it from Thursday to today to avoid BoZo getting thrashed at PMQs again
    In they you mean the Speaker moved it
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,509
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    EXCLUSIVE: Extraordinary image shows 'raucous' Xmas party thrown by Tory aides in lockdown breach
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/extraordinary-image-shows-raucous-xmas-25699183

    Tory parties seem a bit shit if I am honest....glad I don't get invited to any.
    Yes, after the promisingly dramatic headline, this was sadly bathetic.
    Some of the group are shown wearing paper hats while one is sporting a House of Commons Christmas jumper...
    It’s not ‘100 days of Sodom’ is it?

    It’s some young people trying to have slightly forlorn fun in a terrible lonely plague. It won’t shift a vote, it might even backfire, mildly
    The problem is Keir Starmer thinks it will shift votes.
    It already has shifted the polls substantially.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,584
    rpjs said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is encouraging.

    Bugs across globe are evolving to eat plastic, study finds
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/dec/14/bugs-across-globe-are-evolving-to-eat-plastic-study-finds
    … “We found multiple lines of evidence supporting the fact that the global microbiome’s plastic-degrading potential correlates strongly with measurements of environmental plastic pollution – a significant demonstration of how the environment is responding to the pressures we are placing on it,” said Prof Aleksej Zelezniak, at Chalmers University of Technology in Sweden…

    Time to dig out my copy of Mutant 59: The Plastic-Eater which I believe was a novelization from the early '70s BBC series Doomwatch.
    PLastic eating microbes also featured in The Andromeda Strain (the novel, anyway; dunno about the film)>
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,560

    Andy_JS said:

    Has the HOC gone into recess now

    Thursday I think.
    I am fairly certain it is tonight
    You are right Big G.

    The speaker announced last week.

    Er no...

    https://whatson.parliament.uk/commons/2021-12-16/
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
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    Well done to all those who voted against the Covid passports tonight. Actual principles rather than just blindly following the party line.
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,116
    Nigelb said:

    This is encouraging.

    Bugs across globe are evolving to eat plastic, study finds
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/dec/14/bugs-across-globe-are-evolving-to-eat-plastic-study-finds
    … “We found multiple lines of evidence supporting the fact that the global microbiome’s plastic-degrading potential correlates strongly with measurements of environmental plastic pollution – a significant demonstration of how the environment is responding to the pressures we are placing on it,” said Prof Aleksej Zelezniak, at Chalmers University of Technology in Sweden…

    It’s not that surprising. I learned years ago that oil spills get eaten by bacteria. Life is very resourceful. Why was a source of hydrocarbon chains that can form part of your cell walls, or by metabolised down to help make ATP? It’s why I’ve never bought into the idea that plastics will endure for thousands of years. Some might, but anything in water definitely won’t.
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