What worries me most about the current situation is also future viruses
We had Sars, mers, bird flu etc...no one took precautions particularly and they died out and never affected people mostly. Now we have covid and panic.
What do people think is going to happen when another raises its head even though its more likely to be a do nothing it will fizzle than another covid?
Bugs across globe are evolving to eat plastic, study finds https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/dec/14/bugs-across-globe-are-evolving-to-eat-plastic-study-finds … “We found multiple lines of evidence supporting the fact that the global microbiome’s plastic-degrading potential correlates strongly with measurements of environmental plastic pollution – a significant demonstration of how the environment is responding to the pressures we are placing on it,” said Prof Aleksej Zelezniak, at Chalmers University of Technology in Sweden…
Time to dig out my copy of Mutant 59: The Plastic-Eater which I believe was a novelization from the early '70s BBC series Doomwatch.
PLastic eating microbes also featured in The Andromeda Strain (the novel, anyway; dunno about the film)>
I believe they ate rubber. And made people's blood solid.
Bugs across globe are evolving to eat plastic, study finds https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/dec/14/bugs-across-globe-are-evolving-to-eat-plastic-study-finds … “We found multiple lines of evidence supporting the fact that the global microbiome’s plastic-degrading potential correlates strongly with measurements of environmental plastic pollution – a significant demonstration of how the environment is responding to the pressures we are placing on it,” said Prof Aleksej Zelezniak, at Chalmers University of Technology in Sweden…
Time to dig out my copy of Mutant 59: The Plastic-Eater which I believe was a novelization from the early '70s BBC series Doomwatch.
PLastic eating microbes also featured in The Andromeda Strain (the novel, anyway; dunno about the film)>
Yep the microbe mutates so it is no longer lethal to humans but eats the seals at he lab. (Do I need to say I mean the plastic seals not the ones with flippers )
Have to admire the fanbois desperate spin tonight.
After BoZo gets his ass handed to him, "Why isn't Starmer any better?"
Bravo lads.
You are a thick and partisan mug.
I wrote to my Mp this week imploring him to vote against the measures and then to send in his letter to the 1922. The third time I have asked him to do so in the last year. Despite being on Guido’s list he voted in favour.
It’s possible for me to recognise that both main leaders right now are a diabolical let down for this country.
Bugs across globe are evolving to eat plastic, study finds https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/dec/14/bugs-across-globe-are-evolving-to-eat-plastic-study-finds … “We found multiple lines of evidence supporting the fact that the global microbiome’s plastic-degrading potential correlates strongly with measurements of environmental plastic pollution – a significant demonstration of how the environment is responding to the pressures we are placing on it,” said Prof Aleksej Zelezniak, at Chalmers University of Technology in Sweden…
Time to dig out my copy of Mutant 59: The Plastic-Eater which I believe was a novelization from the early '70s BBC series Doomwatch.
Unlikely, I think. Still, it does mean that much of this stuff is likely to biodegrade within a couple of centuries, rather than the tens of thousands of years everyone was talking about.
@RochdalePioneers Any ideas where Duguid was today? Doesn't seem to have voted. Do you know whether he was paired, abstaining, hiding in a freezer?
English regulations, so not relevant to him? SNP seem to have abstained. But I didn't check all votes.
I thought Conservatives often voted even on England only issues?
I think they've improved a little bit to follow the (usually) shining example of the SNP, as in so much else. But it may also, as I note earlier, be to avoid taking sides within the Tories.
Have to admire the fanbois desperate spin tonight.
After BoZo gets his ass handed to him, "Why isn't Starmer any better?"
Bravo lads.
You are a thick and partisan mug.
I wrote to my Mp this week imploring him to vote against the measures and then to send in his letter to the 1922. The third time I have asked him to do so in the last year. Despite being on Guido’s list he voted in favour.
It’s possible for me to recognise that both main leaders right now are a diabolical let down for this country.
Which MP?
I won’t embarrass him by saying so but a famous one.
Tory parties seem a bit shit if I am honest....glad I don't get invited to any.
Yes, after the promisingly dramatic headline, this was sadly bathetic. Some of the group are shown wearing paper hats while one is sporting a House of Commons Christmas jumper...
It’s not ‘100 days of Sodom’ is it?
It’s some young people trying to have slightly forlorn fun in a terrible lonely plague. It won’t shift a vote, it might even backfire, mildly
The problem is Keir Starmer thinks it will shift votes.
It already has shifted the polls substantially.
The Tories problems in the polls are entirely self-inflicted IMO. Nothing to do with Starmer.
Have to admire the fanbois desperate spin tonight.
After BoZo gets his ass handed to him, "Why isn't Starmer any better?"
Bravo lads.
And Starmer had a golden opportunity tonight and he fluffed it
You'd have been the first to accuse him of rampant political opportunism if he'd voted against what seem like sensible measures under the circumstances.
Politics !!!!
??
So right. It’s going to need Moon Rabbit to place all this into perspective.
I think PB hive mind have it wrong on this tonight. This is no big deal this rebellion. For one thing it should not be reported as vote against Boris or against covid restrictions, only the rather half baked passport rush in.
And With the public very much on side of the government, Sage with the government top scientists too, and the Labour Party onside, whoever is PM can bring in Plan C and D whenever they want over Christmas and New Year. If I am wrong on this, please explain how. But I can’t believe people here think otherwise. Sure the PM would have to recall Parliament early, but he’d easily win.
Now, same thing, change of thoughts. How would you have voted on covid passports yourself and why? I think it’s a good question myself. If I was sat as MP with the libdems tonight how would I have voted? yes there is a liberal and libertarian angle on covid passports. But how big? a big fuss here about Civil Liberties from the same back benches of this government with everything barking mad authoritarian they have been voting through and defending the last few months! LOLs
Maybe I would have voted against on liberal Principle. Except. If I was ambitious, the safe vote would have been to vote for it tonight. It’s not impossible delta, omicron and flu creak the NHS in coming weeks - soon as you have people dying due to they couldn’t be treated quickly enough, just simply that, that is not just toxic for government, As MP your voting record voting against Covid battling measures would be held against you too if the NHS creaks and people die in waiting ambulances etc etc, whilst if NHS doesn’t struggle to that extent, tonight’s vote is as gone as next springs fish and chip wrapper.
I’ve given it a lot of thought. Please Tell Jade your future Gen Z PM where wrong.
Have to admire the fanbois desperate spin tonight.
After BoZo gets his ass handed to him, "Why isn't Starmer any better?"
Bravo lads.
You are a thick and partisan mug.
I wrote to my Mp this week imploring him to vote against the measures and then to send in his letter to the 1922. The third time I have asked him to do so in the last year. Despite being on Guido’s list he voted in favour.
It’s possible for me to recognise that both main leaders right now are a diabolical let down for this country.
Which MP?
I won’t embarrass him by saying so but a famous one.
What worries me most about the current situation is also future viruses
We had Sars, mers, bird flu etc...no one took precautions particularly and they died out and never affected people mostly. Now we have covid and panic.
What do people think is going to happen when another raises its head even though its more likely to be a do nothing it will fizzle than another covid?
A novel coronavirus at least once a decade, a swine or avian flu scare with a similar frequency.
Tory parties seem a bit shit if I am honest....glad I don't get invited to any.
Yes, after the promisingly dramatic headline, this was sadly bathetic. Some of the group are shown wearing paper hats while one is sporting a House of Commons Christmas jumper...
It’s not ‘100 days of Sodom’ is it?
It’s some young people trying to have slightly forlorn fun in a terrible lonely plague. It won’t shift a vote, it might even backfire, mildly
The problem is Keir Starmer thinks it will shift votes.
It already has shifted the polls substantially.
The Tories problems in the polls are entirely self-inflicted IMO. Nothing to do with Starmer.
Not interfering while your opponents make mistakes. Very important. Starmer has played it well.
Bugs across globe are evolving to eat plastic, study finds https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/dec/14/bugs-across-globe-are-evolving-to-eat-plastic-study-finds … “We found multiple lines of evidence supporting the fact that the global microbiome’s plastic-degrading potential correlates strongly with measurements of environmental plastic pollution – a significant demonstration of how the environment is responding to the pressures we are placing on it,” said Prof Aleksej Zelezniak, at Chalmers University of Technology in Sweden…
Time to dig out my copy of Mutant 59: The Plastic-Eater which I believe was a novelization from the early '70s BBC series Doomwatch.
PLastic eating microbes also featured in The Andromeda Strain (the novel, anyway; dunno about the film)>
I believe they ate rubber. And made people's blood solid.
The rubber/plastic eating was a mutation from the original blood solidifying version.
Starmer could have made a bailout a condition of his votes tonight.
The "Opposition" leader didn't think it was worth opposing though. 🙄
The other people who tend to chime in with the notion that the "opposition" should "oppose" are the thickest of the thick Corbynites.
Even a broken clock can be right.
Had Starmer spent the last week saying "we support these restrictions in principle, but they'll have a damaging effect on hospitality so we can only vote them through if the government brings back these support measures" . . . then he could have forced the government into a damaging u-turn and won concessions.
No need to vote against for the sake of voting against, but at least extract a pound of flesh for giving the government your votes.
What worries me most about the current situation is also future viruses
We had Sars, mers, bird flu etc...no one took precautions particularly and they died out and never affected people mostly. Now we have covid and panic.
What do people think is going to happen when another raises its head even though its more likely to be a do nothing it will fizzle than another covid?
The others didn't kill millions of people though did they? Or do you think Covid has been so deadly because of the measures taken to contain it?
So, over 100 Tory backbenchers rebel against what (I assume) was a three-line Whip, in direct opposition to the instructions of their leader, the Prime Minister of the UK.
And this just goes to show how weak and pathetic Starmer, the LOTO, is.
Have to admire the fanbois desperate spin tonight.
After BoZo gets his ass handed to him, "Why isn't Starmer any better?"
Bravo lads.
And Starmer had a golden opportunity tonight and he fluffed it
You'd have been the first to accuse him of rampant political opportunism if he'd voted against what seem like sensible measures under the circumstances.
Politics !!!!
??
So right. It’s going to need Moon Rabbit to place all this into perspective.
I think PB hive mind have it wrong on this tonight. This is no big deal this rebellion. For one thing it should not be reported as vote against Boris or against covid restrictions, only the rather half baked passport rush in.
And With the public very much on side of the government, Sage with the government top scientists too, and the Labour Party onside, whoever is PM can bring in Plan C and D whenever they want over Christmas and New Year. If I am wrong on this, please explain how. But I can’t believe people here think otherwise. Sure the PM would have to recall Parliament early, but he’d easily win.
Now, same thing, change of thoughts. How would you have voted on covid passports yourself and why? I think it’s a good question myself. If I was sat as MP with the libdems tonight how would I have voted? yes there is a liberal and libertarian angle on covid passports. But how big? a big fuss here about Civil Liberties from the same back benches of this government with everything barking mad authoritarian they have been voting through and defending the last few months! LOLs
Maybe I would have voted against on liberal Principle. Except. If I was ambitious, the safe vote would have been to vote for it tonight. It’s not impossible delta, omicron and flu creak the NHS in coming weeks - soon as you have people dying due to they couldn’t be treated quickly enough, just simply that, that is not just toxic for government, As MP your voting record voting against Covid battling measures would be held against you too if the NHS creaks and people die in waiting ambulances etc etc, whilst if NHS doesn’t struggle to that extent, tonight’s vote is as gone as next springs fish and chip wrapper.
I’ve given it a lot of thought. Please Tell Jade your future Gen Z PM where wrong.
Absolutely vote against for the simple reason vaxports will be a gateway drug leading to id cards, social credit scoring, nanny knows best cards. Let them in and before 2 decades have passed you will have to be showing them to buy a pint and may be declined as you already had your alcohol ration for the week and any more puts you in danger of stressing the nhs with liver failure.
Bugs across globe are evolving to eat plastic, study finds https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/dec/14/bugs-across-globe-are-evolving-to-eat-plastic-study-finds … “We found multiple lines of evidence supporting the fact that the global microbiome’s plastic-degrading potential correlates strongly with measurements of environmental plastic pollution – a significant demonstration of how the environment is responding to the pressures we are placing on it,” said Prof Aleksej Zelezniak, at Chalmers University of Technology in Sweden…
Time to dig out my copy of Mutant 59: The Plastic-Eater which I believe was a novelization from the early '70s BBC series Doomwatch.
PLastic eating microbes also featured in The Andromeda Strain (the novel, anyway; dunno about the film)>
I believe they ate rubber. And made people's blood solid.
The rubber/plastic eating was a mutation from the original blood solidifying version.
Thinking about the film version (I haven't read the book), I remember a pilot passing over the village and his rubber mask seal disintegrates and then he quickly dies. The "oh it's mutated and no longer harmful" device felt very, very, very lazy to me even as a child when I first saw it.
Bugs across globe are evolving to eat plastic, study finds https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/dec/14/bugs-across-globe-are-evolving-to-eat-plastic-study-finds … “We found multiple lines of evidence supporting the fact that the global microbiome’s plastic-degrading potential correlates strongly with measurements of environmental plastic pollution – a significant demonstration of how the environment is responding to the pressures we are placing on it,” said Prof Aleksej Zelezniak, at Chalmers University of Technology in Sweden…
Time to dig out my copy of Mutant 59: The Plastic-Eater which I believe was a novelization from the early '70s BBC series Doomwatch.
PLastic eating microbes also featured in The Andromeda Strain (the novel, anyway; dunno about the film)>
I believe they ate rubber. And made people's blood solid.
The rubber/plastic eating was a mutation from the original blood solidifying version.
What worries me most about the current situation is also future viruses
We had Sars, mers, bird flu etc...no one took precautions particularly and they died out and never affected people mostly. Now we have covid and panic.
What do people think is going to happen when another raises its head even though its more likely to be a do nothing it will fizzle than another covid?
The others didn't kill millions of people though did they? Or do you think Covid has been so deadly because of the measures taken to contain it?
My point exactly though....they didnt kill millions but what do you think will happen the next time one of them arrives a) politicians will wait and see or b) politicians will lock us all down in case its another covid?
No apology required. What I don't understand with people like him is the "I'm alright Jack" attack line which is universally applied to anyone arguing against restrictions. Everybody is vulnerable to this virus, so where does the "I'm alright" element of the claim come from?
Everyone is vulnerable, me more than most. I am 53, have copd, asthma, I am a little overweight though only 15 lbs or so. However I live in a studio apartment so not much space. I haven't seen my gf in 2 years though we speak every day on discord. The restrictions have become worse than the disease as I quietly go mad. And idiots like him want to keep restrictions because they aren't suffering and make flippant remarks about "meeting partners"
I'm sorry things are so difficult and about the health issues, but I don't fully understand. There hasn't been a ban on meeting one other person except in the deepest lockdown. If you've not seen your girlfriend for two years you must have had other reasons, perhaps your or her state of health? I'm not questioning that at all, but the position is unchanged and will remain so under the restrictions just passed - you can see her any time you feel it's sufficiently safe.
She went back home to australia on a month long visit just before the covid lockdown. Because of the way australia is being she is scared to leave in case she cant just fly back. Her 26 year old son has a heart condition so she decided to stay and I agree with her decision. If she could fly back and forth at will she would have been back
That sounds really rough - credit to both of you for maintaining the relationship at a distance. I hope you're able to see each other again before much longer.
So, over 100 Tory backbenchers rebel against what (I assume) was a three-line Whip, in direct opposition to the instructions of their leader, the Prime Minister of the UK.
And this just goes to show how weak and pathetic Starmer, the LOTO, is.
Have I got that right?
I think it also conclusively proves that Die Hard is a Xmas movie.
So, over 100 Tory backbenchers rebel against what (I assume) was a three-line Whip, in direct opposition to the instructions of their leader, the Prime Minister of the UK.
And this just goes to show how weak and pathetic Starmer, the LOTO, is.
Have I got that right?
Yes, that just about sums it up. It's a little tragic to see people reduced to that but it's all some people have. When you're so partisan that you can't vote for anyone else but you also hate "your" party, the only possible responses are to tune out or lash out in some farcical negative-sum game.
What worries me most about the current situation is also future viruses
We had Sars, mers, bird flu etc...no one took precautions particularly and they died out and never affected people mostly. Now we have covid and panic.
What do people think is going to happen when another raises its head even though its more likely to be a do nothing it will fizzle than another covid?
The others didn't kill millions of people though did they? Or do you think Covid has been so deadly because of the measures taken to contain it?
My point exactly though....they didnt kill millions but what do you think will happen the next time one of them arrives a) politicians will wait and see or b) politicians will lock us all down in case its another covid?
What worries me most about the current situation is also future viruses
We had Sars, mers, bird flu etc...no one took precautions particularly and they died out and never affected people mostly. Now we have covid and panic.
What do people think is going to happen when another raises its head even though its more likely to be a do nothing it will fizzle than another covid?
I said similar 18 months ago.
You may be interested in the article below about the Cult of Safety:
"Despite everything that Ulrich Beck wrote about these fears, the prospect of global catastrophe never generated the kind of generalised, unfocussed anxiety we see today."
and,
"the dominant objects of fear were threats to the whole community, fears which reinforced conformity."
I have to say the Lib Dems voting against against Vaccination passports is a reassuring reminder of why I vote for them.
I strongly suspect Labour would be putting in place much stricter restrictions right now than we have.
And the Tory rebels were happy to vote through significant curtailments of our right to protest, so their liberal credentials seem to only be when it inconveniences them or their supporters.
CCHQ keen to stress tonight that this was an unauthorised event which was organised by Shaun Bailey's campaign and not by the Conservative Party itself.
What worries me most about the current situation is also future viruses
We had Sars, mers, bird flu etc...no one took precautions particularly and they died out and never affected people mostly. Now we have covid and panic.
What do people think is going to happen when another raises its head even though its more likely to be a do nothing it will fizzle than another covid?
The others didn't kill millions of people though did they? Or do you think Covid has been so deadly because of the measures taken to contain it?
My point exactly though....they didnt kill millions but what do you think will happen the next time one of them arrives a) politicians will wait and see or b) politicians will lock us all down in case its another covid?
My money is on b)
Ah I see what you mean. Well who knows - there may be some overreaction, it's human nature.
What was happening....people doing a zoom quiz huddled behind Perspex screens drinking shitty booze and nibbles from Tescos Local.
In reality very sad. But it’s perceptions matter in politics.
This is how nursery rhyme remember it in 500 yr time
Boris Johnson ruled inept, To the rules, never once he kept; On this old rogue comeuppance crept - As he soundly above his party, slept.
Then children sing Passports! Passports! and all fall down.
us iGenners can see well into the future.
Its just not perception. With something like this you have to ensure if you are making such rules you better be sticking to them 100%.
Putting aside the as yet unknown how sad main party, having a zoom quiz while a bit pathetic, I think a lot of the public will be asking, 1) that's against the rules and 2) wasn't there rather a lot of work that needed doing rather than dicking about having quizzes.
Bugs across globe are evolving to eat plastic, study finds https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/dec/14/bugs-across-globe-are-evolving-to-eat-plastic-study-finds … “We found multiple lines of evidence supporting the fact that the global microbiome’s plastic-degrading potential correlates strongly with measurements of environmental plastic pollution – a significant demonstration of how the environment is responding to the pressures we are placing on it,” said Prof Aleksej Zelezniak, at Chalmers University of Technology in Sweden…
Time to dig out my copy of Mutant 59: The Plastic-Eater which I believe was a novelization from the early '70s BBC series Doomwatch.
PLastic eating microbes also featured in The Andromeda Strain (the novel, anyway; dunno about the film)>
I believe they ate rubber. And made people's blood solid.
The rubber/plastic eating was a mutation from the original blood solidifying version.
Blood solidifying is pretty close to covid.
I recommend we do not try to use a nuclear warhead to cure it
Tory parties seem a bit shit if I am honest....glad I don't get invited to any.
Yes, after the promisingly dramatic headline, this was sadly bathetic. Some of the group are shown wearing paper hats while one is sporting a House of Commons Christmas jumper...
It’s not ‘100 days of Sodom’ is it?
It’s some young people trying to have slightly forlorn fun in a terrible lonely plague. It won’t shift a vote, it might even backfire, mildly
Looks like an utterly shit party.
But it was illegal, so that must have added a little excitement.
Like sipping a shandy in a prohibition speak-easy.
Tory parties seem a bit shit if I am honest....glad I don't get invited to any.
Yes, after the promisingly dramatic headline, this was sadly bathetic. Some of the group are shown wearing paper hats while one is sporting a House of Commons Christmas jumper...
It’s not ‘100 days of Sodom’ is it?
It’s some young people trying to have slightly forlorn fun in a terrible lonely plague. It won’t shift a vote, it might even backfire, mildly
Looks like an utterly shit party.
But it was illegal, so that must have added a little excitement.
Like sipping a shandy in a prohibition speak-easy.
Not sure about that. He was paired with Rachel presumably? She is poorly with covid. It would have been ungentlemanly and dishonourable to do otherwise I think.
Boris will be deposed if he tries to implement lockdown. Well done actual Tories. You've ended the tyranny of unelected experts.
He's also fucked if he's seen to personally break any restriction from now on.
Nobody in authority seems to have minded so far. Why would that change?
Because his authority and popularity have drained away.
I am convinced neither of those assertions are correct in the medium term. It may look that way now, but by the middle of January?
For that to happen Boris needs a very good winter.
Which means a minimal hit to the UK while European countries get hammered by Delta and Omicron.
Its possible though that does lead to many Conservative MPs then thinking that new restrictions were unnecessary.
Several of the PB Tory Brains Trust have assured me that Omicron is mild and a Delta killer. I hope they are right. Although even if they are correct my biggest fear is that the NHS still falls over under the strain. This is why Johnson is right today and Johnny Public is right behind him.
There is some interesting data from South Africas biggest insurer in this twitter thread. Decent data rather than anecdata:
This slide shows that there is 29% reduction in risk of admission compared to the original version. Somewhat better, but not great. There is stuff on Pfizer double vax giving 70% protection, so respectable efficacy.
Thanks for that. It contextualises some of the data that some PB posters have interpreted in a particular way.
I am assuming today's vote was as much in panic at the prospect of the NHS being overwhelmed in the next month as much as anything else. Will it hold up?
What worries me most about the current situation is also future viruses
We had Sars, mers, bird flu etc...no one took precautions particularly and they died out and never affected people mostly. Now we have covid and panic.
What do people think is going to happen when another raises its head even though its more likely to be a do nothing it will fizzle than another covid?
The others didn't kill millions of people though did they? Or do you think Covid has been so deadly because of the measures taken to contain it?
My point exactly though....they didnt kill millions but what do you think will happen the next time one of them arrives a) politicians will wait and see or b) politicians will lock us all down in case its another covid?
My money is on b)
Ah I see what you mean. Well who knows - there may be some overreaction, it's human nature.
What do you suggest?
I suggest we tell them where to go till it is apparent there actually is a problem. My fear isnt only about politicians reactions but also the medical profession, scientists and a fair chunk of the general public. I am pretty sure within 2 years someone will shout the sky is falling because we have a new virus.....chances are it probably isnt
Have to admire the fanbois desperate spin tonight.
After BoZo gets his ass handed to him, "Why isn't Starmer any better?"
Bravo lads.
And Starmer had a golden opportunity tonight and he fluffed it
You'd have been the first to accuse him of rampant political opportunism if he'd voted against what seem like sensible measures under the circumstances.
Politics !!!!
??
So right. It’s going to need Moon Rabbit to place all this into perspective.
I think PB hive mind have it wrong on this tonight. This is no big deal this rebellion. For one thing it should not be reported as vote against Boris or against covid restrictions, only the rather half baked passport rush in.
And With the public very much on side of the government, Sage with the government top scientists too, and the Labour Party onside, whoever is PM can bring in Plan C and D whenever they want over Christmas and New Year. If I am wrong on this, please explain how. But I can’t believe people here think otherwise. Sure the PM would have to recall Parliament early, but he’d easily win.
Now, same thing, change of thoughts. How would you have voted on covid passports yourself and why? I think it’s a good question myself. If I was sat as MP with the libdems tonight how would I have voted? yes there is a liberal and libertarian angle on covid passports. But how big? a big fuss here about Civil Liberties from the same back benches of this government with everything barking mad authoritarian they have been voting through and defending the last few months! LOLs
Maybe I would have voted against on liberal Principle. Except. If I was ambitious, the safe vote would have been to vote for it tonight. It’s not impossible delta, omicron and flu creak the NHS in coming weeks - soon as you have people dying due to they couldn’t be treated quickly enough, just simply that, that is not just toxic for government, As MP your voting record voting against Covid battling measures would be held against you too if the NHS creaks and people die in waiting ambulances etc etc, whilst if NHS doesn’t struggle to that extent, tonight’s vote is as gone as next springs fish and chip wrapper.
I’ve given it a lot of thought. Please Tell Jade your future Gen Z PM where wrong.
Absolutely vote against for the simple reason vaxports will be a gateway drug leading to id cards, social credit scoring, nanny knows best cards. Let them in and before 2 decades have passed you will have to be showing them to buy a pint and may be declined as you already had your alcohol ration for the week and any more puts you in danger of stressing the nhs with liver failure.
LOL that is very funny.
But seriously, parliaments drawing lines of liberty in smartest happiest place is serious business and as I highlight above, if ambitious politician would I play safe, and vote differently if not ambitious.
So, over 100 Tory backbenchers rebel against what (I assume) was a three-line Whip, in direct opposition to the instructions of their leader, the Prime Minister of the UK.
And this just goes to show how weak and pathetic Starmer, the LOTO, is.
1) He was asking MPs to imagine a NHS worker who was feeling scared about working alongside her unvaccinated work colleague. And he then went on to talk about if an unvaccinated NHS worker infected a patient how would the relative of that patient feel. I'm very unhappy about the way that unvaccinated people are being thought of in this way - as second class citizens - as though they are a stale fart.
2) Streeting then made it very clear that he and the LP would not support mandatory vaccination.
So putting 1) and 2) together he is saying that he doesn't think it should be a legal requirement to be vaccinated but on the other hand he feels free to riff about a large cohort who have decided, perfectly legally, to make a particular choice.
No liberal should defend Streeting's position on this.
CCHQ keen to stress tonight that this was an unauthorised event which was organised by Shaun Bailey's campaign and not by the Conservative Party itself.
I don't have proof but Pippar has been teasing it for over a week
Can you give us an example?
No he cannot
If you check out most of Pippa Crear's tweets from the last ten days she has hinted throughout that she knows more. Don't shoot the Correct Horse Battery messenger!
Tory parties seem a bit shit if I am honest....glad I don't get invited to any.
Yes, after the promisingly dramatic headline, this was sadly bathetic. Some of the group are shown wearing paper hats while one is sporting a House of Commons Christmas jumper...
It’s not ‘100 days of Sodom’ is it?
It’s some young people trying to have slightly forlorn fun in a terrible lonely plague. It won’t shift a vote, it might even backfire, mildly
Looks like an utterly shit party.
But it was illegal, so that must have added a little excitement.
Like sipping a shandy in a prohibition speak-easy.
The buffet looks particularly limp....
One of the guys is looking at it side on with a vaguely terrified look whilst almost trying to smile.
This has the ring of a party whose idea was someone near the top of management for "team building" and no one under the age of 30 wanted to go.
Boris will be deposed if he tries to implement lockdown. Well done actual Tories. You've ended the tyranny of unelected experts.
He's also fucked if he's seen to personally break any restriction from now on.
Nobody in authority seems to have minded so far. Why would that change?
Because his authority and popularity have drained away.
I am convinced neither of those assertions are correct in the medium term. It may look that way now, but by the middle of January?
For that to happen Boris needs a very good winter.
Which means a minimal hit to the UK while European countries get hammered by Delta and Omicron.
Its possible though that does lead to many Conservative MPs then thinking that new restrictions were unnecessary.
Several of the PB Tory Brains Trust have assured me that Omicron is mild and a Delta killer. I hope they are right. Although even if they are correct my biggest fear is that the NHS still falls over under the strain. This is why Johnson is right today and Johnny Public is right behind him.
There is some interesting data from South Africas biggest insurer in this twitter thread. Decent data rather than anecdata:
This slide shows that there is 29% reduction in risk of admission compared to the original version. Somewhat better, but not great. There is stuff on Pfizer double vax giving 70% protection, so respectable efficacy.
Thanks for that. It contextualises some of the data that some PB posters have interpreted in a particular way.
I am assuming today's vote was as much in panic at the prospect of the NHS being overwhelmed in the next month as much as anything else. Will it hold up?
Numbers of covid inpatients in my Trust are just over 100. It's been 80-120 since September, I think. About 15% in ICU, nearly all unvaxxed.
Not sure about that. He was paired with Rachel presumably? She is poorly with covid. It would have been ungentlemanly and dishonourable to do otherwise I think.
Reeves would be following the Labour whip ! You can't pair with your own side
63,405 new cases in France with hospitalisations averaging over 1000 per day.
But they've got vaccine passports, masks and all the rest of it! You must be mistaken. These measures are assured to eliminate COVID, the French are just trying to make Boris look bad.
1) He was asking MPs to imagine a NHS worker who was feeling scared about working alongside her unvaccinated work colleague. And he then went on to talk about if an unvaccinated NHS worker infected a patient how would the relative of that patient feel. I'm very unhappy about the way that unvaccinated people are being thought of in this way - as second class citizens - as though they are a stale fart.
That mode of thinking was never particularly appropriate but it went out the window once it was clear being vaccinated doesn't actually stop you getting and transmitting the vaccine on, especially as all the virus does is get ever more infectious anyway.
Yeah, sure, getting jabbed might reduce the chance of it, but vaccination now has to be viewed in terms of reducing the likelihood of putting yourself in overstretched hospitals and not really anything to do with protecting others by not inadvertently transmitting it to anyone else.
63,405 new cases in France with hospitalisations averaging over 1000 per day.
But they've got vaccine passports, masks and all the rest of it! You must be mistaken. These measures are assured to eliminate COVID, the French are just trying to make Boris look bad.
Tory parties seem a bit shit if I am honest....glad I don't get invited to any.
Yes, after the promisingly dramatic headline, this was sadly bathetic. Some of the group are shown wearing paper hats while one is sporting a House of Commons Christmas jumper...
It’s not ‘100 days of Sodom’ is it?
It’s some young people trying to have slightly forlorn fun in a terrible lonely plague. It won’t shift a vote, it might even backfire, mildly
Looks like an utterly shit party.
But it was illegal, so that must have added a little excitement.
Like sipping a shandy in a prohibition speak-easy.
The buffet looks particularly limp....
One of the guys is looking at it side on with a vaguely terrified look whilst almost trying to smile.
This has the ring of a party whose idea was someone near the top of management for "team building" and no one under the age of 30 wanted to go.
It's like an outtake from The Office.
I am becoming convinced two things went on....
1) The bosses thought having zoom quiz nights, silly awards and some drinks would be great for morale of those working hard. And of course the young staffers never wanted to be there, but there were drinks.
2) The staffers got into a culture of drinkie poos after "work" because pubs were shut and the bosses turned a blind eye.
I am not convinced any of these "parties" were wild drugs and sex jobbies.
But clearly nobody thought this will look absolutely shocking if it gets out, oh and the bloke over there in the cabinet office is married to a leading national journalist....I am sure that won't be an issue.
Bugs across globe are evolving to eat plastic, study finds https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/dec/14/bugs-across-globe-are-evolving-to-eat-plastic-study-finds … “We found multiple lines of evidence supporting the fact that the global microbiome’s plastic-degrading potential correlates strongly with measurements of environmental plastic pollution – a significant demonstration of how the environment is responding to the pressures we are placing on it,” said Prof Aleksej Zelezniak, at Chalmers University of Technology in Sweden…
I don't have proof but Pippar has been teasing it for over a week
Can you give us an example?
No he cannot
If you check out most of Pippa Crear's tweets from the last ten days she has hinted throughout that she knows more. Don't shoot the Correct Horse Battery messenger!
Knows more does not equal a photo of ‘Johnson snorting coke off Rishi Sunaks naked arse’ though does it? If they’ve got photos better than the pathetic zoom quiz, show it. I don’t believe they do.
I don't have proof but Pippar has been teasing it for over a week
Can you give us an example?
No he cannot
If you check out most of Pippa Crear's tweets from the last ten days she has hinted throughout that she knows more. Don't shoot the Correct Horse Battery messenger!
If tonight's Bailey is one of them it is not a smoking gun
The demise of Boris premiership will not be over partygate but his loss of confidence by 180 of his mps
When and only then will time be called no matter how much we may want it to be different
63,405 new cases in France with hospitalisations averaging over 1000 per day.
But they've got vaccine passports, masks and all the rest of it! You must be mistaken. These measures are assured to eliminate COVID, the French are just trying to make Boris look bad.
It's a funny old world. Eden rides high in 1955, obliterated in 1956. Wilson landslide in 1966, reputation blown to bits in 1967. Callaghan looks a winner in 1978, destroyed by the winter of 1978-79. Thatcher at her peak in 1987-88, humiliated in 1990. Funny old world. https://twitter.com/gsoh31/status/1470854952625086464
It was awfully early as I mentioned, to be saying how good Omicron was.
Just like Delta, I fear things will turn out badly for us, I am afraid
When you say "us" do you mean humans in general, or the UK/England?
I meant some here
??
I don't see that Delta has made much difference. There was an issue to begin with in that it came just before we'd got through the second doses, but once we'd done that it was fine.
63,405 new cases in France with hospitalisations averaging over 1000 per day.
But they've got vaccine passports, masks and all the rest of it! You must be mistaken. These measures are assured to eliminate COVID, the French are just trying to make Boris look bad.
Bugs across globe are evolving to eat plastic, study finds https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/dec/14/bugs-across-globe-are-evolving-to-eat-plastic-study-finds … “We found multiple lines of evidence supporting the fact that the global microbiome’s plastic-degrading potential correlates strongly with measurements of environmental plastic pollution – a significant demonstration of how the environment is responding to the pressures we are placing on it,” said Prof Aleksej Zelezniak, at Chalmers University of Technology in Sweden…
I don't have proof but Pippar has been teasing it for over a week
Can you give us an example?
No he cannot
If you check out most of Pippa Crear's tweets from the last ten days she has hinted throughout that she knows more. Don't shoot the Correct Horse Battery messenger!
63,405 new cases in France with hospitalisations averaging over 1000 per day.
But they've got vaccine passports, masks and all the rest of it! You must be mistaken. These measures are assured to eliminate COVID, the French are just trying to make Boris look bad.
Apparently masks alone should mean just 2,000 cases per day since that's what we had in May.
The fact that it was illegal to go into other people's homes, restaurants were shut by law indoors etc isn't relevant. Its all the mask.
I don't have proof but Pippar has been teasing it for over a week
Can you give us an example?
No he cannot
If you check out most of Pippa Crear's tweets from the last ten days she has hinted throughout that she knows more. Don't shoot the Correct Horse Battery messenger!
If tonight's Bailey is one of them it is not a smoking gun
The demise of Boris premiership will not be over partygate but his loss of confidence by 180 of his mps
When and only then will time be called no matter how much we may want it to be different
... unless Boris is in one of the Mirror's party snaps!
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We had Sars, mers, bird flu etc...no one took precautions particularly and they died out and never affected people mostly. Now we have covid and panic.
What do people think is going to happen when another raises its head even though its more likely to be a do nothing it will fizzle than another covid?
https://whatson.parliament.uk/commons/2021-12-15/
PartyGate was a far better story without the pictures.
As it is, the pictures make you pity the No. 10 staffers, not envy them.
Still, it does mean that much of this stuff is likely to biodegrade within a couple of centuries, rather than the tens of thousands of years everyone was talking about.
https://twitter.com/Queen_UK/status/1469025930718892033?s=20
What was happening....people doing a zoom quiz huddled behind Perspex screens drinking shitty booze and nibbles from Tescos Local.
I think PB hive mind have it wrong on this tonight. This is no big deal this rebellion. For one thing it should not be reported as vote against Boris or against covid restrictions, only the rather half baked passport rush in.
And With the public very much on side of the government, Sage with the government top scientists too, and the Labour Party onside, whoever is PM can bring in Plan C and D whenever they want over Christmas and New Year. If I am wrong on this, please explain how. But I can’t believe people here think otherwise. Sure the PM would have to recall Parliament early, but he’d easily win.
Now, same thing, change of thoughts. How would you have voted on covid passports yourself and why? I think it’s a good question myself. If I was sat as MP with the libdems tonight how would I have voted? yes there is a liberal and libertarian angle on covid passports. But how big? a big fuss here about Civil Liberties from the same back benches of this government with everything barking mad authoritarian they have been voting through and defending the last few months! LOLs
Maybe I would have voted against on liberal Principle. Except. If I was ambitious, the safe vote would have been to vote for it tonight. It’s not impossible delta, omicron and flu creak the NHS in coming weeks - soon as you have people dying due to they couldn’t be treated quickly enough, just simply that, that is not just toxic for government, As MP your voting record voting against Covid battling measures would be held against you too if the NHS creaks and people die in waiting ambulances etc etc, whilst if NHS doesn’t struggle to that extent, tonight’s vote is as gone as next springs fish and chip wrapper.
I’ve given it a lot of thought. Please Tell Jade your future Gen Z PM where wrong.
This is it now for the rest of our lives.
Had Starmer spent the last week saying "we support these restrictions in principle, but they'll have a damaging effect on hospitality so we can only vote them through if the government brings back these support measures" . . . then he could have forced the government into a damaging u-turn and won concessions.
No need to vote against for the sake of voting against, but at least extract a pound of flesh for giving the government your votes.
And this just goes to show how weak and pathetic Starmer, the LOTO, is.
Have I got that right?
The "oh it's mutated and no longer harmful" device felt very, very, very lazy to me even as a child when I first saw it.
Starmer is crap! Useless opposition!
My money is on b)
IN 2009-10 the SG did the middle of the road and prepared for swine flu - and got complaints about it.
This is how nursery rhyme remember it in 500 yr time
Boris Johnson ruled inept,
To the rules, never once he kept;
On this old rogue comeuppance crept -
As he soundly above his party, slept.
Then children sing Passports! Passports! and all fall down.
us iGenners can see well into the future.
You may be interested in the article below about the Cult of Safety:
"Despite everything that Ulrich Beck wrote about these fears, the prospect of global catastrophe never generated the kind of generalised, unfocussed anxiety we see today."
and,
"the dominant objects of fear were threats to the whole community, fears which reinforced conformity."
The thing is - the article was written in 2005!
https://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/works/cult-safety.htm
I strongly suspect Labour would be putting in place much stricter restrictions right now than we have.
And the Tory rebels were happy to vote through significant curtailments of our right to protest, so their liberal credentials seem to only be when it inconveniences them or their supporters.
3 staff were disciplined. The first CCHQ knew of the photo was when it emerged this evening.
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1470863849519734786
What do you suggest?
Putting aside the as yet unknown how sad main party, having a zoom quiz while a bit pathetic, I think a lot of the public will be asking, 1) that's against the rules and 2) wasn't there rather a lot of work that needed doing rather than dicking about having quizzes.
But it was illegal, so that must have added a little excitement.
Like sipping a shandy in a prohibition speak-easy.
I am assuming today's vote was as much in panic at the prospect of the NHS being overwhelmed in the next month as much as anything else. Will it hold up?
Just like Delta, I fear things will turn out badly for us, I am afraid
But seriously, parliaments drawing lines of liberty in smartest happiest place is serious business and as I highlight above, if ambitious politician would I play safe, and vote differently if not ambitious.
1) He was asking MPs to imagine a NHS worker who was feeling scared about working alongside her unvaccinated work colleague. And he then went on to talk about if an unvaccinated NHS worker infected a patient how would the relative of that patient feel. I'm very unhappy about the way that unvaccinated people are being thought of in this way - as second class citizens - as though they are a stale fart.
2) Streeting then made it very clear that he and the LP would not support mandatory vaccination.
So putting 1) and 2) together he is saying that he doesn't think it should be a legal requirement to be vaccinated but on the other hand he feels free to riff about a large cohort who have decided, perfectly legally, to make a particular choice.
No liberal should defend Streeting's position on this.
Makes it sound as if it would have been fine if no one had taken a photo.
What did they discipline the staff for, if they didn't know about the parties?
This has the ring of a party whose idea was someone near the top of management for "team building" and no one under the age of 30 wanted to go.
It's like an outtake from The Office.
Hands, Face, First Place and Cheeses of Nazareth have to be the best IMHO.
Almost half his backbench voted to stop this wild lurch to panic.
Yeah, sure, getting jabbed might reduce the chance of it, but vaccination now has to be viewed in terms of reducing the likelihood of putting yourself in overstretched hospitals and not really anything to do with protecting others by not inadvertently transmitting it to anyone else.
1) The bosses thought having zoom quiz nights, silly awards and some drinks would be great for morale of those working hard. And of course the young staffers never wanted to be there, but there were drinks.
2) The staffers got into a culture of drinkie poos after "work" because pubs were shut and the bosses turned a blind eye.
I am not convinced any of these "parties" were wild drugs and sex jobbies.
But clearly nobody thought this will look absolutely shocking if it gets out, oh and the bloke over there in the cabinet office is married to a leading national journalist....I am sure that won't be an issue.
The demise of Boris premiership will not be over partygate but his loss of confidence by 180 of his mps
When and only then will time be called no matter how much we may want it to be different
https://twitter.com/gsoh31/status/1470854952625086464
But I think that is a bit hopeful given that Cressida's MET have announced they don't investigate crimes from a year ago.
I don't see that Delta has made much difference. There was an issue to begin with in that it came just before we'd got through the second doses, but once we'd done that it was fine.
No doubt some people on the very same day were cremating their loved ones via Zoom.
Either hinting at the true origin of Covid or Bozo has been spreading an STD round the office.
The fact that it was illegal to go into other people's homes, restaurants were shut by law indoors etc isn't relevant. Its all the mask.