1) He was asking MPs to imagine a NHS worker who was feeling scared about working alongside her unvaccinated work colleague. And he then went on to talk about if an unvaccinated NHS worker infected a patient how would the relative of that patient feel. I'm very unhappy about the way that unvaccinated people are being thought of in this way - as second class citizens - as though they are a stale fart.
2) Streeting then made it very clear that he and the LP would not support mandatory vaccination.
So putting 1) and 2) together he is saying that he doesn't think it should be a legal requirement to be vaccinated but on the other hand he feels free to riff about a large cohort who have decided, perfectly legally, to make a particular choice.
No liberal should defend Streeting's position on this.
One thing I can guarantee is that Streeting is no liberal. He may be a moderate but he’s a centraliser through and through.
1) He was asking MPs to imagine a NHS worker who was feeling scared about working alongside her unvaccinated work colleague. And he then went on to talk about if an unvaccinated NHS worker infected a patient how would the relative of that patient feel. I'm very unhappy about the way that unvaccinated people are being thought of in this way - as second class citizens - as though they are a stale fart.
That mode of thinking was never particularly appropriate but it went out the window once it was clear being vaccinated doesn't actually stop you getting and transmitting the vaccine on, especially as all the virus does is get ever more infectious anyway.
Yeah, sure, getting jabbed might reduce the chance of it, but vaccination now has to be viewed in terms of reducing the likelihood of putting yourself in overstretched hospitals and not really anything to do with protecting others by not inadvertently transmitting it to anyone else.
I'm tending towards your view - though it would be good to understand how less likely a person is to transmit the virus vs an unvaccinated person. I did read a study of this about a month ago which said that the difference wasn't as much as you may think - but I'm damned if I can find it.
The belief is out there that there is a vast difference and I strongly suspect this isn't true. I'd even go as far as saying that some of the lumpen would rather stand next to an infected person wearing a mask than a unvaccinated person. I think this is become a new 'class of person' issue and I find it most distasteful.
1) He was asking MPs to imagine a NHS worker who was feeling scared about working alongside her unvaccinated work colleague. And he then went on to talk about if an unvaccinated NHS worker infected a patient how would the relative of that patient feel. I'm very unhappy about the way that unvaccinated people are being thought of in this way - as second class citizens - as though they are a stale fart.
That mode of thinking was never particularly appropriate but it went out the window once it was clear being vaccinated doesn't actually stop you getting and transmitting the vaccine on, especially as all the virus does is get ever more infectious anyway.
Yeah, sure, getting jabbed might reduce the chance of it, but vaccination now has to be viewed in terms of reducing the likelihood of putting yourself in overstretched hospitals and not really anything to do with protecting others by not inadvertently transmitting it to anyone else.
It is worth remembering that mandatory vaccinations for medical workers have been around for years. To protect patients, colleagues and themselves.
1) He was asking MPs to imagine a NHS worker who was feeling scared about working alongside her unvaccinated work colleague. And he then went on to talk about if an unvaccinated NHS worker infected a patient how would the relative of that patient feel. I'm very unhappy about the way that unvaccinated people are being thought of in this way - as second class citizens - as though they are a stale fart.
That mode of thinking was never particularly appropriate but it went out the window once it was clear being vaccinated doesn't actually stop you getting and transmitting the vaccine on, especially as all the virus does is get ever more infectious anyway.
Yeah, sure, getting jabbed might reduce the chance of it, but vaccination now has to be viewed in terms of reducing the likelihood of putting yourself in overstretched hospitals and not really anything to do with protecting others by not inadvertently transmitting it to anyone else.
Quite right.
From a Covid risk perspective, I'd rather an unvaccinated healthcare worker whose hobby was reading booking than a double jabbed healthcare worker who frequented nightclubs twice a week. Neither of the 'risky' choices should be banned by law.
1) He was asking MPs to imagine a NHS worker who was feeling scared about working alongside her unvaccinated work colleague. And he then went on to talk about if an unvaccinated NHS worker infected a patient how would the relative of that patient feel. I'm very unhappy about the way that unvaccinated people are being thought of in this way - as second class citizens - as though they are a stale fart.
That mode of thinking was never particularly appropriate but it went out the window once it was clear being vaccinated doesn't actually stop you getting and transmitting the vaccine on, especially as all the virus does is get ever more infectious anyway.
Yeah, sure, getting jabbed might reduce the chance of it, but vaccination now has to be viewed in terms of reducing the likelihood of putting yourself in overstretched hospitals and not really anything to do with protecting others by not inadvertently transmitting it to anyone else.
I'm tending towards your view - though it would be good to understand how less likely a person is to transmit the virus vs an unvaccinated person. I did read a study of this about a month ago which said that the difference wasn't as much as you may think - but I'm damned if I can find it.
The belief is out there that there is a vast difference and I strongly suspect this isn't true. I'd even go as far as saying that some of the lumpen would rather stand next to an infected person wearing a mask than a unvaccinated person. I think this is become a new 'class of person' issue and I find it most distasteful.
Vaccines were sold as the way out and I always thought alone this was a silly thing to say
I don't have proof but Pippar has been teasing it for over a week
Can you give us an example?
No he cannot
If you check out most of Pippa Crear's tweets from the last ten days she has hinted throughout that she knows more. Don't shoot the Correct Horse Battery messenger!
If tonight's Bailey is one of them it is not a smoking gun
The demise of Boris premiership will not be over partygate but his loss of confidence by 180 of his mps
When and only then will time be called no matter how much we may want it to be different
... unless Boris is in one of the Mirror's party snaps!
1) He was asking MPs to imagine a NHS worker who was feeling scared about working alongside her unvaccinated work colleague. And he then went on to talk about if an unvaccinated NHS worker infected a patient how would the relative of that patient feel. I'm very unhappy about the way that unvaccinated people are being thought of in this way - as second class citizens - as though they are a stale fart.
2) Streeting then made it very clear that he and the LP would not support mandatory vaccination.
So putting 1) and 2) together he is saying that he doesn't think it should be a legal requirement to be vaccinated but on the other hand he feels free to riff about a large cohort who have decided, perfectly legally, to make a particular choice.
No liberal should defend Streeting's position on this.
One thing I can guarantee is that Streeting is no liberal. He may be a moderate but he’s a centraliser through and through.
Sorry - I didn't mean to give the impression that I thought he was - he's in the LP! - I was making a broader point.
Ps. I'm pleased with how the LDs voted today. Are you?
I don't have proof but Pippar has been teasing it for over a week
Can you give us an example?
No he cannot
If you check out most of Pippa Crear's tweets from the last ten days she has hinted throughout that she knows more. Don't shoot the Correct Horse Battery messenger!
If tonight's Bailey is one of them it is not a smoking gun
The demise of Boris premiership will not be over partygate but his loss of confidence by 180 of his mps
When and only then will time be called no matter how much we may want it to be different
... unless Boris is in one of the Mirror's party snaps!
If they had it we’d have seen it by now. It doesn’t exist. The zoom photo was the best they had.
If Whitty and LSHTM's wild modelling predictions don't come to pass in New Year then surely Johnson is finally done?
Almost half his backbench voted to stop this wild lurch to panic.
I think he would be and so would they. If their advice turns out to be poor it may be seen as time to replace the advisors.
What I'm still trying to figure out is where the Omicron hospitalisations are going to come from. Much like the doom models from July they seems to not take into account the level of immunity people have built up either with vaccines, infections or both. It's just a simple exercise of "this doubles every x days and y% will be hospitalised". I understand the need to be fast with projections in an emergency but this kind of simple model failed in July as well with less than a third of the overall predicted numbers being hospitalised and the R bumping along at 0.8-1.2 rather than the prediction of a constant 1.5, it seems that no one wants to learn from past mistakes.
1) He was asking MPs to imagine a NHS worker who was feeling scared about working alongside her unvaccinated work colleague. And he then went on to talk about if an unvaccinated NHS worker infected a patient how would the relative of that patient feel. I'm very unhappy about the way that unvaccinated people are being thought of in this way - as second class citizens - as though they are a stale fart.
That mode of thinking was never particularly appropriate but it went out the window once it was clear being vaccinated doesn't actually stop you getting and transmitting the vaccine on, especially as all the virus does is get ever more infectious anyway.
Yeah, sure, getting jabbed might reduce the chance of it, but vaccination now has to be viewed in terms of reducing the likelihood of putting yourself in overstretched hospitals and not really anything to do with protecting others by not inadvertently transmitting it to anyone else.
It is worth remembering that mandatory vaccinations for medical workers have been around for years. To protect patients, colleagues and themselves.
Are flu vaccines mandatory for NHS staff?
I'm not opposed to it being brought in gradually, I just think it might be counterproductive to do it quite so quickly.
Boris will be deposed if he tries to implement lockdown. Well done actual Tories. You've ended the tyranny of unelected experts.
He's also fucked if he's seen to personally break any restriction from now on.
Nobody in authority seems to have minded so far. Why would that change?
Because his authority and popularity have drained away.
I am convinced neither of those assertions are correct in the medium term. It may look that way now, but by the middle of January?
For that to happen Boris needs a very good winter.
Which means a minimal hit to the UK while European countries get hammered by Delta and Omicron.
Its possible though that does lead to many Conservative MPs then thinking that new restrictions were unnecessary.
Several of the PB Tory Brains Trust have assured me that Omicron is mild and a Delta killer. I hope they are right. Although even if they are correct my biggest fear is that the NHS still falls over under the strain. This is why Johnson is right today and Johnny Public is right behind him.
There is some interesting data from South Africas biggest insurer in this twitter thread. Decent data rather than anecdata:
This slide shows that there is 29% reduction in risk of admission compared to the original version. Somewhat better, but not great. There is stuff on Pfizer double vax giving 70% protection, so respectable efficacy.
Thanks for that. It contextualises some of the data that some PB posters have interpreted in a particular way.
I am assuming today's vote was as much in panic at the prospect of the NHS being overwhelmed in the next month as much as anything else. Will it hold up?
The age differential on the vaccine waning effects is previously known and observed. This is why all the booster programs that I am aware of, around the world, used oldest-first methodologies.
63,405 new cases in France with hospitalisations averaging over 1000 per day.
But they've got vaccine passports, masks and all the rest of it! You must be mistaken. These measures are assured to eliminate COVID, the French are just trying to make Boris look bad.
Moron
No need to be rude mate
You can think of it as flashback humour. MaxPB was dishing it out to someone else earlier, so I thought he would welcome the same. He hasn't liked my post yet, but I feel he probably will.
I don't have proof but Pippar has been teasing it for over a week
Can you give us an example?
No he cannot
If you check out most of Pippa Crear's tweets from the last ten days she has hinted throughout that she knows more. Don't shoot the Correct Horse Battery messenger!
If tonight's Bailey is one of them it is not a smoking gun
The demise of Boris premiership will not be over partygate but his loss of confidence by 180 of his mps
When and only then will time be called no matter how much we may want it to be different
... unless Boris is in one of the Mirror's party snaps!
If they had it we’d have seen it by now. It doesn’t exist. The zoom photo was the best they had.
You don't know that.
Initially there was no evidence, then there was. There's more coming
PB Tories now excusing breaking the rules, depressing
Oh get a grip.
Having a Hands, Face, First Place team quiz name on Zoom broke no rules.
But nice distraction looking at why people took part in a Zoom Quiz twelve months ago instead of why the Leader of the Opposition is so pathetically weak he couldn't extract any concessions today for his votes. Keep going, you might even convince yourself.
1) He was asking MPs to imagine a NHS worker who was feeling scared about working alongside her unvaccinated work colleague. And he then went on to talk about if an unvaccinated NHS worker infected a patient how would the relative of that patient feel. I'm very unhappy about the way that unvaccinated people are being thought of in this way - as second class citizens - as though they are a stale fart.
That mode of thinking was never particularly appropriate but it went out the window once it was clear being vaccinated doesn't actually stop you getting and transmitting the vaccine on, especially as all the virus does is get ever more infectious anyway.
Yeah, sure, getting jabbed might reduce the chance of it, but vaccination now has to be viewed in terms of reducing the likelihood of putting yourself in overstretched hospitals and not really anything to do with protecting others by not inadvertently transmitting it to anyone else.
I'm tending towards your view - though it would be good to understand how less likely a person is to transmit the virus vs an unvaccinated person. I did read a study of this about a month ago which said that the difference wasn't as much as you may think - but I'm damned if I can find it.
The belief is out there that there is a vast difference and I strongly suspect this isn't true. I'd even go as far as saying that some of the lumpen would rather stand next to an infected person wearing a mask than a unvaccinated person. I think this is become a new 'class of person' issue and I find it most distasteful.
Vaccines were sold as the way out and I always thought alone this was a silly thing to say
The only way out of a virus which isn't going anywhere is herd immunity - which involves a combination of vaccination and natural immunity.
It's a funny old world. Eden rides high in 1955, obliterated in 1956. Wilson landslide in 1966, reputation blown to bits in 1967. Callaghan looks a winner in 1978, destroyed by the winter of 1978-79. Thatcher at her peak in 1987-88, humiliated in 1990. Funny old world. https://twitter.com/gsoh31/status/1470854952625086464
63,405 new cases in France with hospitalisations averaging over 1000 per day.
But they've got vaccine passports, masks and all the rest of it! You must be mistaken. These measures are assured to eliminate COVID, the French are just trying to make Boris look bad.
Moron
No need to be rude mate
You can think of it as flashback humour. MaxPB was dishing it out to someone else earlier, so I thought he would welcome the same. He hasn't liked my post yet, but I feel he probably will.
Sorry for overreacting then, just seen people being rude to Max before and he's always courteous so he doesn't deserve that
63,405 new cases in France with hospitalisations averaging over 1000 per day.
But they've got vaccine passports, masks and all the rest of it! You must be mistaken. These measures are assured to eliminate COVID, the French are just trying to make Boris look bad.
1) He was asking MPs to imagine a NHS worker who was feeling scared about working alongside her unvaccinated work colleague. And he then went on to talk about if an unvaccinated NHS worker infected a patient how would the relative of that patient feel. I'm very unhappy about the way that unvaccinated people are being thought of in this way - as second class citizens - as though they are a stale fart.
That mode of thinking was never particularly appropriate but it went out the window once it was clear being vaccinated doesn't actually stop you getting and transmitting the vaccine on, especially as all the virus does is get ever more infectious anyway.
Yeah, sure, getting jabbed might reduce the chance of it, but vaccination now has to be viewed in terms of reducing the likelihood of putting yourself in overstretched hospitals and not really anything to do with protecting others by not inadvertently transmitting it to anyone else.
It is worth remembering that mandatory vaccinations for medical workers have been around for years. To protect patients, colleagues and themselves.
There may be a case for mandatory vaccinations for healthworkers, I'm just saying it makes no sense to justify it on the basis of "oh what if an unvaccinated person gives me covid?" when a vaccinated person can quite easily do the same thing.
PB Tories now excusing breaking the rules, depressing
I’m not a pb Tory, and I think what happened did break the rules and the spirit of them too. I can however see how it may have happened. PB has revelled in the stupidity of the restriction nonsenses for the last 20 months. Wear a mask to move round a pub, but not when sitting. Rule of six. And on and on. Hand on heart did any of us adhere to every single rule? My parents defind a bubble as pretty much every member of their family. They visited us and marched straight into the house when there was no household mixing. We ALL broke some restrictions/rules.
63,405 new cases in France with hospitalisations averaging over 1000 per day.
But they've got vaccine passports, masks and all the rest of it! You must be mistaken. These measures are assured to eliminate COVID, the French are just trying to make Boris look bad.
Moron
No need to be rude mate
You can think of it as flashback humour. MaxPB was dishing it out to someone else earlier, so I thought he would welcome the same. He hasn't liked my post yet, but I feel he probably will.
Sorry for overreacting then, just seen people being rude to Max before and he's always courteous so he doesn't deserve that
Eh, I can be as discourteous as the best of them, don't worry about it.
If Whitty and LSHTM's wild modelling predictions don't come to pass in New Year then surely Johnson is finally done?
Almost half his backbench voted to stop this wild lurch to panic.
I think he would be and so would they. If their advice turns out to be poor it may be seen as time to replace the advisors.
What I'm still trying to figure out is where the Omicron hospitalisations are going to come from. Much like the doom models from July they seems to not take into account the level of immunity people have built up either with vaccines, infections or both. It's just a simple exercise of "this doubles every x days and y% will be hospitalised". I understand the need to be fast with projections in an emergency but this kind of simple model failed in July as well with less than a third of the overall predicted numbers being hospitalised and the R bumping along at 0.8-1.2 rather than the prediction of a constant 1.5, it seems that no one wants to learn from past mistakes.
I suspect their underlying model is always: it is better to predict to disaster and warn that urgent measures need to be taken rather than say I think it will be ok and then be wrong.
Everyone of them thinks about the public inquiry all the time imho.
Bugs across globe are evolving to eat plastic, study finds https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/dec/14/bugs-across-globe-are-evolving-to-eat-plastic-study-finds … “We found multiple lines of evidence supporting the fact that the global microbiome’s plastic-degrading potential correlates strongly with measurements of environmental plastic pollution – a significant demonstration of how the environment is responding to the pressures we are placing on it,” said Prof Aleksej Zelezniak, at Chalmers University of Technology in Sweden…
Not encouraging if you’ve had plastic surgery? 😱
Have you?
No,I said earlier. Nothing. Nigel,brought it up earlier today. Nigel is having a plastic day 😂 When younger I thought of bigger boobs, but happy now I didn’t Then earlier mused on the driver. Is it I’m content now because in a relationship. Is driver lonelyness? Is it driver idealism need it to get loved up all the time? Maybe studying art nude I saw so many paintings with small but pert bosoms like mine so realised it’s still looks good. Maybe no plastic surgery because I bohemian approach to what is and not glamour and conformity. I never go to salons or hairdressers. I’m a do-it-myself kind of girl. I paint my own nails, cut my own hair, scrub my own back and choose my own hair dyes.
63,405 new cases in France with hospitalisations averaging over 1000 per day.
But they've got vaccine passports, masks and all the rest of it! You must be mistaken. These measures are assured to eliminate COVID, the French are just trying to make Boris look bad.
Moron
No need to be rude mate
You can think of it as flashback humour. MaxPB was dishing it out to someone else earlier, so I thought he would welcome the same. He hasn't liked my post yet, but I feel he probably will.
Sorry for overreacting then, just seen people being rude to Max before and he's always courteous so he doesn't deserve that
Eh, I can be as discourteous as the best of them, don't worry about it.
Not sure about that. He was paired with Rachel presumably? She is poorly with covid. It would have been ungentlemanly and dishonourable to do otherwise I think.
Reeves would be following the Labour whip ! You can't pair with your own side
She couldn’t vote presumably as she is absent? Therefore he also has to abstain to maintain honour I think.
Bugs across globe are evolving to eat plastic, study finds https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/dec/14/bugs-across-globe-are-evolving-to-eat-plastic-study-finds … “We found multiple lines of evidence supporting the fact that the global microbiome’s plastic-degrading potential correlates strongly with measurements of environmental plastic pollution – a significant demonstration of how the environment is responding to the pressures we are placing on it,” said Prof Aleksej Zelezniak, at Chalmers University of Technology in Sweden…
Not encouraging if you’ve had plastic surgery? 😱
Have you?
No,I said earlier. Nothing. Nigel,brought it up earlier today. Nigel is having a plastic day 😂 When younger I thought of bigger boobs, but happy now I didn’t Then earlier mused on the driver. Is it I’m content now because in a relationship. Is driver lonelyness? Is it driver idealism need it to get loved up all the time? Maybe studying art nude I saw so many paintings with small but pert bosoms like mine so realised it’s still looks good. Maybe no plastic surgery because I bohemian approach to what is and not glamour and conformity. I never go to salons or hairdressers. I’m a do-it-myself kind of girl. I paint my own nails, cut my own hair, scrub my own back and choose my own hair dyes.
PB Tories now excusing breaking the rules, depressing
Oh get a grip.
Having a Hands, Face, First Place team quiz name on Zoom broke no rules.
But nice distraction looking at why people took part in a Zoom Quiz twelve months ago instead of why the Leader of the Opposition is so pathetically weak he couldn't extract any concessions today for his votes. Keep going, you might even convince yourself.
1) He was asking MPs to imagine a NHS worker who was feeling scared about working alongside her unvaccinated work colleague. And he then went on to talk about if an unvaccinated NHS worker infected a patient how would the relative of that patient feel. I'm very unhappy about the way that unvaccinated people are being thought of in this way - as second class citizens - as though they are a stale fart.
That mode of thinking was never particularly appropriate but it went out the window once it was clear being vaccinated doesn't actually stop you getting and transmitting the vaccine on, especially as all the virus does is get ever more infectious anyway.
Yeah, sure, getting jabbed might reduce the chance of it, but vaccination now has to be viewed in terms of reducing the likelihood of putting yourself in overstretched hospitals and not really anything to do with protecting others by not inadvertently transmitting it to anyone else.
It is worth remembering that mandatory vaccinations for medical workers have been around for years. To protect patients, colleagues and themselves.
Are flu vaccines mandatory for NHS staff?
I'm not opposed to it being brought in gradually, I just think it might be counterproductive to do it quite so quickly.
I am sure Mrs P used to have to have Hep B vaccine when she was working as a Registered Nurse, no opt out.
I don't have proof but Pippar has been teasing it for over a week
Can you give us an example?
No he cannot
If you check out most of Pippa Crear's tweets from the last ten days she has hinted throughout that she knows more. Don't shoot the Correct Horse Battery messenger!
Shouldn't be difficult to find us some examples then.
1) He was asking MPs to imagine a NHS worker who was feeling scared about working alongside her unvaccinated work colleague. And he then went on to talk about if an unvaccinated NHS worker infected a patient how would the relative of that patient feel. I'm very unhappy about the way that unvaccinated people are being thought of in this way - as second class citizens - as though they are a stale fart.
That mode of thinking was never particularly appropriate but it went out the window once it was clear being vaccinated doesn't actually stop you getting and transmitting the vaccine on, especially as all the virus does is get ever more infectious anyway.
Yeah, sure, getting jabbed might reduce the chance of it, but vaccination now has to be viewed in terms of reducing the likelihood of putting yourself in overstretched hospitals and not really anything to do with protecting others by not inadvertently transmitting it to anyone else.
I'm tending towards your view - though it would be good to understand how less likely a person is to transmit the virus vs an unvaccinated person. I did read a study of this about a month ago which said that the difference wasn't as much as you may think - but I'm damned if I can find it.
The belief is out there that there is a vast difference and I strongly suspect this isn't true. I'd even go as far as saying that some of the lumpen would rather stand next to an infected person wearing a mask than a unvaccinated person. I think this is become a new 'class of person' issue and I find it most distasteful.
Vaccines were sold as the way out and I always thought alone this was a silly thing to say
They are the way out though. They allow you to encounter Covid, fight it off and live your life. You may get a bit ill, maybe quite rough, but you survive. Over time, when you meet Covid again, you do even better against it because it’s not new, There isn’t an alternative. We can not eliminate Covid.
1) He was asking MPs to imagine a NHS worker who was feeling scared about working alongside her unvaccinated work colleague. And he then went on to talk about if an unvaccinated NHS worker infected a patient how would the relative of that patient feel. I'm very unhappy about the way that unvaccinated people are being thought of in this way - as second class citizens - as though they are a stale fart.
That mode of thinking was never particularly appropriate but it went out the window once it was clear being vaccinated doesn't actually stop you getting and transmitting the vaccine on, especially as all the virus does is get ever more infectious anyway.
Yeah, sure, getting jabbed might reduce the chance of it, but vaccination now has to be viewed in terms of reducing the likelihood of putting yourself in overstretched hospitals and not really anything to do with protecting others by not inadvertently transmitting it to anyone else.
It is worth remembering that mandatory vaccinations for medical workers have been around for years. To protect patients, colleagues and themselves.
Are flu vaccines mandatory for NHS staff?
I'm not opposed to it being brought in gradually, I just think it might be counterproductive to do it quite so quickly.
I am sure Mrs P used to have to have Hep B vaccine when she was working as a Registered Nurse, no opt out.
For sure it's the case with Hep B, but I was asking about flu vaccines.
Bugs across globe are evolving to eat plastic, study finds https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/dec/14/bugs-across-globe-are-evolving-to-eat-plastic-study-finds … “We found multiple lines of evidence supporting the fact that the global microbiome’s plastic-degrading potential correlates strongly with measurements of environmental plastic pollution – a significant demonstration of how the environment is responding to the pressures we are placing on it,” said Prof Aleksej Zelezniak, at Chalmers University of Technology in Sweden…
Not encouraging if you’ve had plastic surgery? 😱
Have you?
No,I said earlier. Nothing. Nigel,brought it up earlier today. Nigel is having a plastic day 😂 When younger I thought of bigger boobs, but happy now I didn’t Then earlier mused on the driver. Is it I’m content now because in a relationship. Is driver lonelyness? Is it driver idealism need it to get loved up all the time? Maybe studying art nude I saw so many paintings with small but pert bosoms like mine so realised it’s still looks good. Maybe no plastic surgery because I bohemian approach to what is and not glamour and conformity. I never go to salons or hairdressers. I’m a do-it-myself kind of girl. I paint my own nails, cut my own hair, scrub my own back and choose my own hair dyes.
I don't have proof but Pippar has been teasing it for over a week
Can you give us an example?
No he cannot
If you check out most of Pippa Crear's tweets from the last ten days she has hinted throughout that she knows more. Don't shoot the Correct Horse Battery messenger!
If tonight's Bailey is one of them it is not a smoking gun
The demise of Boris premiership will not be over partygate but his loss of confidence by 180 of his mps
When and only then will time be called no matter how much we may want it to be different
... unless Boris is in one of the Mirror's party snaps!
If they had it we’d have seen it by now. It doesn’t exist. The zoom photo was the best they had.
You don't know that.
Initially there was no evidence, then there was. There's more coming
If Whitty and LSHTM's wild modelling predictions don't come to pass in New Year then surely Johnson is finally done?
Almost half his backbench voted to stop this wild lurch to panic.
I think he would be and so would they. If their advice turns out to be poor it may be seen as time to replace the advisors.
What I'm still trying to figure out is where the Omicron hospitalisations are going to come from. Much like the doom models from July they seems to not take into account the level of immunity people have built up either with vaccines, infections or both. It's just a simple exercise of "this doubles every x days and y% will be hospitalised". I understand the need to be fast with projections in an emergency but this kind of simple model failed in July as well with less than a third of the overall predicted numbers being hospitalised and the R bumping along at 0.8-1.2 rather than the prediction of a constant 1.5, it seems that no one wants to learn from past mistakes.
I suspect their underlying model is always: it is better to predict to disaster and warn that urgent measures need to be taken rather than say I think it will be ok and then be wrong.
Everyone of them thinks about the public inquiry all the time imho.
Yeah that's definitely a point, I do just wonder why no politician doesn't bring up the July model and ask them why we should believe them now when the 7k per day being hospitalised also didn't come true. If I was in the room it would be my first question for sure. But then politicians, Boris especially, aren't particularly numerate and probably get dazzled by big scary numbers like 1m infected per day without asking whether it's plausible that 1 in 5 people would have COVID at the same time.
I don't have proof but Pippar has been teasing it for over a week
Can you give us an example?
No he cannot
If you check out most of Pippa Crear's tweets from the last ten days she has hinted throughout that she knows more. Don't shoot the Correct Horse Battery messenger!
Shouldn't be difficult to find us some examples then.
Well I'm not looking for the evidence for you. What did your last slave die of?
I seem to remember some people saying the US would do deals with the EU before the UK...
Trade minister tours US states, amid little to no progress on US-UK trade deal, & UK-US steel tariffs dispute unsettled even after US-EU deal, implores US to “awaken” a “paradigm shift” in US response to UK leaving orbit of EU “to be closer to you [US]”..
Again, Rachel Reeves is unwell. He’s her pair I think so voting would be ungentlemanly conduct.
In normal times yes, but Starmer and Johnson were strolling through the aye lobby today hand in glove. Sunak abstaining with Reeves just reduces the Govt maj by 2
Bugs across globe are evolving to eat plastic, study finds https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/dec/14/bugs-across-globe-are-evolving-to-eat-plastic-study-finds … “We found multiple lines of evidence supporting the fact that the global microbiome’s plastic-degrading potential correlates strongly with measurements of environmental plastic pollution – a significant demonstration of how the environment is responding to the pressures we are placing on it,” said Prof Aleksej Zelezniak, at Chalmers University of Technology in Sweden…
Not encouraging if you’ve had plastic surgery? 😱
Have you?
No,I said earlier. Nothing. Nigel,brought it up earlier today. Nigel is having a plastic day 😂 When younger I thought of bigger boobs, but happy now I didn’t Then earlier mused on the driver. Is it I’m content now because in a relationship. Is driver lonelyness? Is it driver idealism need it to get loved up all the time? Maybe studying art nude I saw so many paintings with small but pert bosoms like mine so realised it’s still looks good. Maybe no plastic surgery because I bohemian approach to what is and not glamour and conformity. I never go to salons or hairdressers. I’m a do-it-myself kind of girl. I paint my own nails, cut my own hair, scrub my own back and choose my own hair dyes.
Lots of young women are getting it nowadays
Phwoar
I think the majority of "influencers" have work done
The Mirror has splashed two Tory party stories this evening. That suggests to me that there is more to come, otherwise one would have been held back to tomorrow.
I don't have proof but Pippar has been teasing it for over a week
Can you give us an example?
No he cannot
If you check out most of Pippa Crear's tweets from the last ten days she has hinted throughout that she knows more. Don't shoot the Correct Horse Battery messenger!
Shouldn't be difficult to find us some examples then.
Well I'm not looking for the evidence for you. What did your last slave die of?
You don't need to look for evidence when you have it at your fingertips from the get go. You plainly checked out most of Pippa Crear's tweets from the last ten days so we don't have to, so what's the answer?
1) He was asking MPs to imagine a NHS worker who was feeling scared about working alongside her unvaccinated work colleague. And he then went on to talk about if an unvaccinated NHS worker infected a patient how would the relative of that patient feel. I'm very unhappy about the way that unvaccinated people are being thought of in this way - as second class citizens - as though they are a stale fart.
That mode of thinking was never particularly appropriate but it went out the window once it was clear being vaccinated doesn't actually stop you getting and transmitting the vaccine on, especially as all the virus does is get ever more infectious anyway.
Yeah, sure, getting jabbed might reduce the chance of it, but vaccination now has to be viewed in terms of reducing the likelihood of putting yourself in overstretched hospitals and not really anything to do with protecting others by not inadvertently transmitting it to anyone else.
It is worth remembering that mandatory vaccinations for medical workers have been around for years. To protect patients, colleagues and themselves.
Are flu vaccines mandatory for NHS staff?
I'm not opposed to it being brought in gradually, I just think it might be counterproductive to do it quite so quickly.
I am sure Mrs P used to have to have Hep B vaccine when she was working as a Registered Nurse, no opt out.
For sure it's the case with Hep B, but I was asking about flu vaccines.
Not for flu but a NHS worker I know said that she and her fellow students had to have Hep B vaccination (and one other I think) before she started the course. I presume therefore that it is also contractual when they start work.
Contracts for existing staff don't mention Covid of course, so they can't be sacked for not being vaccinated on contractual grounds.
What I'm still trying to figure out is where the Omicron hospitalisations are going to come from. Much like the doom models from July they seems to not take into account the level of immunity people have built up either with vaccines, infections or both. It's just a simple exercise of "this doubles every x days and y% will be hospitalised". I understand the need to be fast with projections in an emergency but this kind of simple model failed in July as well with less than a third of the overall predicted numbers being hospitalised and the R bumping along at 0.8-1.2 rather than the prediction of a constant 1.5, it seems that no one wants to learn from past mistakes.
The problem I have with this is no one knows how many unvaccinated adults there are who have already derived protection via infection.
In the Evening Standard tonight, one sentence said there were 2 million unvaccinated adults in London while another quoted 4-5 million nationally. Neither was evidenced in any way but that's what people will read.
IF, and again I lack the knowledge of many on here, Omicron is better at transmission than Delta the chances of an unvaccinated adult who has so far avoided the virus contracting the Omicron variant seem quite high.
Now, are we assuming those who contracted the virus in the spring of 2020 or early this year and have never been vaccinated still have some degree of antibody protection? I don't know - it seems implausible to this observer.
So, anyone who had the virus in April 2020 and has not been vaccinated since is presumably at risk but of course we have no knowledge of those numbers.
I seem to remember some people saying the US would do deals with the EU before the UK...
Trade minister tours US states, amid little to no progress on US-UK trade deal, & UK-US steel tariffs dispute unsettled even after US-EU deal, implores US to “awaken” a “paradigm shift” in US response to UK leaving orbit of EU “to be closer to you [US]”..
Well done the Tory rebels, at least we have a few MPs who don't believe in creating a world of 1984.
What I don't understand is why Graham Brady's postman isn't about to get a hernia. If you voted against tonight, why wouldn't you write a letter? Boris is already badly wounded, he'd probably lose a vote triggered now - if 100 MPs are willing to defy a three line whip, how many more were voting with gritted teeth. Its not like the rest of the party like him much either, nor is he currently an electoral asset.
The Mirror has splashed two Tory party stories this evening. That suggests to me that there is more to come, otherwise one would have been held back to tomorrow.
Pippa Crerar is playing games with us all.
Yada yada. Put up or shut up, Shit or get off the pot, Get yer tits out hush ma mouf, etc.
PB Tories now excusing breaking the rules, depressing
I’m not a pb Tory, and I think what happened did break the rules and the spirit of them too. I can however see how it may have happened. PB has revelled in the stupidity of the restriction nonsenses for the last 20 months. Wear a mask to move round a pub, but not when sitting. Rule of six. And on and on. Hand on heart did any of us adhere to every single rule? My parents defind a bubble as pretty much every member of their family. They visited us and marched straight into the house when there was no household mixing. We ALL broke some restrictions/rules.
The Boomers definitely didn’t seem to grasp the concept of a bubble. My mother is the world’s most rule abiding person yet broke the rules daily by assuming her best friend was in a bubble with her (which under the rules was impossible).
I don't have proof but Pippar has been teasing it for over a week
Can you give us an example?
No he cannot
If you check out most of Pippa Crear's tweets from the last ten days she has hinted throughout that she knows more. Don't shoot the Correct Horse Battery messenger!
Shouldn't be difficult to find us some examples then.
1) He was asking MPs to imagine a NHS worker who was feeling scared about working alongside her unvaccinated work colleague. And he then went on to talk about if an unvaccinated NHS worker infected a patient how would the relative of that patient feel. I'm very unhappy about the way that unvaccinated people are being thought of in this way - as second class citizens - as though they are a stale fart.
That mode of thinking was never particularly appropriate but it went out the window once it was clear being vaccinated doesn't actually stop you getting and transmitting the vaccine on, especially as all the virus does is get ever more infectious anyway.
Yeah, sure, getting jabbed might reduce the chance of it, but vaccination now has to be viewed in terms of reducing the likelihood of putting yourself in overstretched hospitals and not really anything to do with protecting others by not inadvertently transmitting it to anyone else.
It is worth remembering that mandatory vaccinations for medical workers have been around for years. To protect patients, colleagues and themselves.
Are flu vaccines mandatory for NHS staff?
I'm not opposed to it being brought in gradually, I just think it might be counterproductive to do it quite so quickly.
It's not mandatory for Flu.
MMR is mandatory at our trust and obviously depending where you work Hep B may be needed along with TB immunity confirmed.
It's going to be interesting to see what happens with the mandatory Covid vaccines. We have via the Trust bulletin set out deadlines so that staff know when they need to have their 1st dose by so that they meet the April deadline for 2nd dose.
I have already seen a number of staff contacting us trying to get out of having it...
What I'm still trying to figure out is where the Omicron hospitalisations are going to come from. Much like the doom models from July they seems to not take into account the level of immunity people have built up either with vaccines, infections or both. It's just a simple exercise of "this doubles every x days and y% will be hospitalised". I understand the need to be fast with projections in an emergency but this kind of simple model failed in July as well with less than a third of the overall predicted numbers being hospitalised and the R bumping along at 0.8-1.2 rather than the prediction of a constant 1.5, it seems that no one wants to learn from past mistakes.
The problem I have with this is no one knows how many unvaccinated adults there are who have already derived protection via infection. In the Evening Standard tonight, one sentence said there were 2 million unvaccinated adults in London while another quoted 4-5 million nationally. Neither was evidenced in any way but that's what people will read.
IF, and again I lack the knowledge of many on here, Omicron is better at transmission than Delta the chances of an unvaccinated adult who has so far avoided the virus contracting the Omicron variant seem quite high.
Now, are we assuming those who contracted the virus in the spring of 2020 or early this year and have never been vaccinated still have some degree of antibody protection? I don't know - it seems implausible to this observer.
So, anyone who had the virus in April 2020 and has not been vaccinated since is presumably at risk but of course we have no knowledge of those numbers.
Some degree of protection for SARS is present 20 years later. It’s not impossible for t-cells etc to be able to react quickly after 18 months. I suspect you are likely to catch omicron, but you definitely are not Covid naive.
Well done the Tory rebels, at least we have a few MPs who don't believe in creating a world of 1984.
What I don't understand is why Graham Brady's postman isn't about to get a hernia. If you voted against tonight, why wouldn't you write a letter? Boris is already badly wounded, he'd probably lose a vote triggered now - if 100 MPs are willing to defy a three line whip, how many more were voting with gritted teeth. Its not like the rest of the party like him much either, nor is he currently an electoral asset.
Voting against your party leader is a much lower threshold than deciding to oust your leader. Everything hangs on Thursday's result.
I don't have proof but Pippar has been teasing it for over a week
Can you give us an example?
No he cannot
If you check out most of Pippa Crear's tweets from the last ten days she has hinted throughout that she knows more. Don't shoot the Correct Horse Battery messenger!
Shouldn't be difficult to find us some examples then.
1) He was asking MPs to imagine a NHS worker who was feeling scared about working alongside her unvaccinated work colleague. And he then went on to talk about if an unvaccinated NHS worker infected a patient how would the relative of that patient feel. I'm very unhappy about the way that unvaccinated people are being thought of in this way - as second class citizens - as though they are a stale fart.
That mode of thinking was never particularly appropriate but it went out the window once it was clear being vaccinated doesn't actually stop you getting and transmitting the vaccine on, especially as all the virus does is get ever more infectious anyway.
Yeah, sure, getting jabbed might reduce the chance of it, but vaccination now has to be viewed in terms of reducing the likelihood of putting yourself in overstretched hospitals and not really anything to do with protecting others by not inadvertently transmitting it to anyone else.
I'm tending towards your view - though it would be good to understand how less likely a person is to transmit the virus vs an unvaccinated person. I did read a study of this about a month ago which said that the difference wasn't as much as you may think - but I'm damned if I can find it.
The belief is out there that there is a vast difference and I strongly suspect this isn't true. I'd even go as far as saying that some of the lumpen would rather stand next to an infected person wearing a mask than a unvaccinated person. I think this is become a new 'class of person' issue and I find it most distasteful.
I've asked this on here several times over the past few months. The vaccines seem to do something in reducing transmission, but the evidence is not definitive; and it is not absolute as the vaccinated can still get covid and pass it on. So the whole argument (vaccines make us safer) is not particularly strong. It has become clear to me that it is irrational and absurd to allow vaccinated people to avoid testing and quarantine requirements; as that means that many people will develop a false sense of security, have the virus and pass it on, often without realising as they are assymptomatic, and sometimes at large superspreader type events. Yet that is the policy a lot of people believe in. Ultimately, the vaccines are like a substitute for religion; when people are desperate they will believe in anything, and consequently it is futile trying to argue with people about them.
I didn't listen to Johnson today, but it sounds like he is unable to think for himself and peddling the same myths about vaccination. The mandatory vaccination of medical workers law is evidence of the governments lack of foresight. If it is implement the NHS will lose a vast proportion of its staff, at a point in time when they are breaking under the pressure of Covid plus everything else. Not a good place to be in, and completely avoidable.
I was in a Christmas quiz team called Santa's ho, ho, hoes between 2005 and 2019.
I thought of you when I read that name. And Beaver Fever.
Beaver Fever is a bit too loud, I do subtle.
It's a real thing though, something to do with beaver-borne ticks sorta like Lyme's disease
My sister is big in the rewilding world, and I get a lot of simple pleasure from posting on facebook photos called (accurately) Close-up of my sister's beaver and so on.
What I'm still trying to figure out is where the Omicron hospitalisations are going to come from. Much like the doom models from July they seems to not take into account the level of immunity people have built up either with vaccines, infections or both. It's just a simple exercise of "this doubles every x days and y% will be hospitalised". I understand the need to be fast with projections in an emergency but this kind of simple model failed in July as well with less than a third of the overall predicted numbers being hospitalised and the R bumping along at 0.8-1.2 rather than the prediction of a constant 1.5, it seems that no one wants to learn from past mistakes.
The problem I have with this is no one knows how many unvaccinated adults there are who have already derived protection via infection.
We know with a high degree of accuracy how much of the population has antibodies. It's very high for the high risk groups, and most of the unvaccinated will have some protection.
I don't have proof but Pippar has been teasing it for over a week
Can you give us an example?
No he cannot
If you check out most of Pippa Crear's tweets from the last ten days she has hinted throughout that she knows more. Don't shoot the Correct Horse Battery messenger!
Shouldn't be difficult to find us some examples then.
I don't have proof but Pippar has been teasing it for over a week
Can you give us an example?
No he cannot
If you check out most of Pippa Crear's tweets from the last ten days she has hinted throughout that she knows more. Don't shoot the Correct Horse Battery messenger!
Shouldn't be difficult to find us some examples then.
Bugs across globe are evolving to eat plastic, study finds https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/dec/14/bugs-across-globe-are-evolving-to-eat-plastic-study-finds … “We found multiple lines of evidence supporting the fact that the global microbiome’s plastic-degrading potential correlates strongly with measurements of environmental plastic pollution – a significant demonstration of how the environment is responding to the pressures we are placing on it,” said Prof Aleksej Zelezniak, at Chalmers University of Technology in Sweden…
Not encouraging if you’ve had plastic surgery? 😱
Have you?
No,I said earlier. Nothing. Nigel,brought it up earlier today. Nigel is having a plastic day 😂 When younger I thought of bigger boobs, but happy now I didn’t Then earlier mused on the driver. Is it I’m content now because in a relationship. Is driver lonelyness? Is it driver idealism need it to get loved up all the time? Maybe studying art nude I saw so many paintings with small but pert bosoms like mine so realised it’s still looks good. Maybe no plastic surgery because I bohemian approach to what is and not glamour and conformity. I never go to salons or hairdressers. I’m a do-it-myself kind of girl. I paint my own nails, cut my own hair, scrub my own back and choose my own hair dyes.
Lots of young women are getting it nowadays
Phwoar
Does this cheesy post deserve 5 likes and counting. Is this PBs level - mid sixties Carry On? 😂
I am having early night because I am going into EVERY shop in town tomorrow take care 🙋♀️
What I'm still trying to figure out is where the Omicron hospitalisations are going to come from. Much like the doom models from July they seems to not take into account the level of immunity people have built up either with vaccines, infections or both. It's just a simple exercise of "this doubles every x days and y% will be hospitalised". I understand the need to be fast with projections in an emergency but this kind of simple model failed in July as well with less than a third of the overall predicted numbers being hospitalised and the R bumping along at 0.8-1.2 rather than the prediction of a constant 1.5, it seems that no one wants to learn from past mistakes.
The problem I have with this is no one knows how many unvaccinated adults there are who have already derived protection via infection.
In the Evening Standard tonight, one sentence said there were 2 million unvaccinated adults in London while another quoted 4-5 million nationally. Neither was evidenced in any way but that's what people will read.
IF, and again I lack the knowledge of many on here, Omicron is better at transmission than Delta the chances of an unvaccinated adult who has so far avoided the virus contracting the Omicron variant seem quite high.
Now, are we assuming those who contracted the virus in the spring of 2020 or early this year and have never been vaccinated still have some degree of antibody protection? I don't know - it seems implausible to this observer.
So, anyone who had the virus in April 2020 and has not been vaccinated since is presumably at risk but of course we have no knowledge of those numbers.
We actually do know, PHE does weekly surveillance of all 18+ for antibodies from vaccines or prior infection (they're slightly different so can easily be identified as one or the other). 95% of adults in the UK have got one or the other type of antibody, it's something like 85% have got antibodies from vaccines and 30% from prior infection with a big chunk of crossover.
The question is what kind of immunity everyone has, we know two dose immunity against Omicron only gives around a 65% reduction in hospitalisations but we also know that >90% of over 60s have had three doses now so in the categories most likely to go to hospital there could be over a 95% reduction on hospitalisations from Omicron already.
But yes, Omicron will definitely find that last 5% of adults who have no immunity at all.
Again, Rachel Reeves is unwell. He’s her pair I think so voting would be ungentlemanly conduct.
In normal times yes, but Starmer and Johnson were strolling through the aye lobby today hand in glove. Sunak abstaining with Reeves just reduces the Govt maj by 2
Maybe so but what else is he supposed to do? To vote while she cannot would be ungentlemanly. In any case, I suspect he’ll say that was the reason.
1) He was asking MPs to imagine a NHS worker who was feeling scared about working alongside her unvaccinated work colleague. And he then went on to talk about if an unvaccinated NHS worker infected a patient how would the relative of that patient feel. I'm very unhappy about the way that unvaccinated people are being thought of in this way - as second class citizens - as though they are a stale fart.
That mode of thinking was never particularly appropriate but it went out the window once it was clear being vaccinated doesn't actually stop you getting and transmitting the vaccine on, especially as all the virus does is get ever more infectious anyway.
Yeah, sure, getting jabbed might reduce the chance of it, but vaccination now has to be viewed in terms of reducing the likelihood of putting yourself in overstretched hospitals and not really anything to do with protecting others by not inadvertently transmitting it to anyone else.
I'm tending towards your view - though it would be good to understand how less likely a person is to transmit the virus vs an unvaccinated person. I did read a study of this about a month ago which said that the difference wasn't as much as you may think - but I'm damned if I can find it.
The belief is out there that there is a vast difference and I strongly suspect this isn't true. I'd even go as far as saying that some of the lumpen would rather stand next to an infected person wearing a mask than a unvaccinated person. I think this is become a new 'class of person' issue and I find it most distasteful.
I've asked this on here several times over the past few months. The vaccines seem to do something in reducing transmission, but the evidence is not definitive; and it is not absolute as the vaccinated can still get covid and pass it on. So the whole argument (vaccines make us safer) is not particularly strong. It has become clear to me that it is irrational and absurd to allow vaccinated people to avoid testing and quarantine requirements; as that means that many people will develop a false sense of security, have the virus and pass it on, often without realising as they are assymptomatic, and sometimes at large superspreader type events. Yet that is the policy a lot of people believe in. Ultimately, the vaccines are like a substitute for religion; when people are desperate they will believe in anything, and consequently it is futile trying to argue with people about them.
I didn't listen to Johnson today, but it sounds like he is unable to think for himself and peddling the same myths about vaccination. The mandatory vaccination of medical workers law is evidence of the governments lack of foresight. If it is implement the NHS will lose a vast proportion of its staff, at a point in time when they are breaking under the pressure of Covid plus everything else. Not a good place to be in, and completely avoidable.
That a significant proportion of NHS workers are unvaccinated is disappointing, but it would be an even bigger disappointment to see them leave the service. We cannot afford that to happen.
Lib Dems could be hammering the government on this.
PB Tories now excusing breaking the rules, depressing
I’m not a pb Tory, and I think what happened did break the rules and the spirit of them too. I can however see how it may have happened. PB has revelled in the stupidity of the restriction nonsenses for the last 20 months. Wear a mask to move round a pub, but not when sitting. Rule of six. And on and on. Hand on heart did any of us adhere to every single rule? My parents defind a bubble as pretty much every member of their family. They visited us and marched straight into the house when there was no household mixing. We ALL broke some restrictions/rules.
The bigger and more stupid sin from the PM and govt here was the continued lying about the parties rather than the parties themselves. If they can get the press to focus on the minutiae of the parties instead of the lies, as seems to be happening now, that is good news for the govt. I agree the vast majority broke the rules and laws.
Bugs across globe are evolving to eat plastic, study finds https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/dec/14/bugs-across-globe-are-evolving-to-eat-plastic-study-finds … “We found multiple lines of evidence supporting the fact that the global microbiome’s plastic-degrading potential correlates strongly with measurements of environmental plastic pollution – a significant demonstration of how the environment is responding to the pressures we are placing on it,” said Prof Aleksej Zelezniak, at Chalmers University of Technology in Sweden…
Not encouraging if you’ve had plastic surgery? 😱
Have you?
No,I said earlier. Nothing. Nigel,brought it up earlier today. Nigel is having a plastic day 😂 When younger I thought of bigger boobs, but happy now I didn’t Then earlier mused on the driver. Is it I’m content now because in a relationship. Is driver lonelyness? Is it driver idealism need it to get loved up all the time? Maybe studying art nude I saw so many paintings with small but pert bosoms like mine so realised it’s still looks good. Maybe no plastic surgery because I bohemian approach to what is and not glamour and conformity. I never go to salons or hairdressers. I’m a do-it-myself kind of girl. I paint my own nails, cut my own hair, scrub my own back and choose my own hair dyes.
Lots of young women are getting it nowadays
Phwoar
Does this cheesy post deserve 5 likes and counting. Is this PBs level - mid sixties Carry On? 😂
I am having early night because I am going into EVERY shop in town tomorrow take care 🙋♀️
G'night
I am deeply ashamed of what I now realise was a completely inappropriate post. I undertake not to make similar comments in future.
PB Tories now excusing breaking the rules, depressing
I’m not a pb Tory, and I think what happened did break the rules and the spirit of them too. I can however see how it may have happened. PB has revelled in the stupidity of the restriction nonsenses for the last 20 months. Wear a mask to move round a pub, but not when sitting. Rule of six. And on and on. Hand on heart did any of us adhere to every single rule? My parents defind a bubble as pretty much every member of their family. They visited us and marched straight into the house when there was no household mixing. We ALL broke some restrictions/rules.
The bigger and more stupid sin from the PM and govt here was the continued lying about the parties rather than the parties themselves. If they can get the press to focus on the minutiae of the parties instead of the lies, as seems to be happening now, that is good news for the govt. I agree the vast majority broke the rules and laws.
I think I can see how people attending the ‘parties’ convinced themselves that they weren’t breaking rules. It’s like my mother’s ever expanding bubble. But yes, I think the PM could have handled this better, but then he’s basically not up to the job.
Bugs across globe are evolving to eat plastic, study finds https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/dec/14/bugs-across-globe-are-evolving-to-eat-plastic-study-finds … “We found multiple lines of evidence supporting the fact that the global microbiome’s plastic-degrading potential correlates strongly with measurements of environmental plastic pollution – a significant demonstration of how the environment is responding to the pressures we are placing on it,” said Prof Aleksej Zelezniak, at Chalmers University of Technology in Sweden…
Not encouraging if you’ve had plastic surgery? 😱
Have you?
No,I said earlier. Nothing. Nigel,brought it up earlier today. Nigel is having a plastic day 😂 When younger I thought of bigger boobs, but happy now I didn’t Then earlier mused on the driver. Is it I’m content now because in a relationship. Is driver lonelyness? Is it driver idealism need it to get loved up all the time? Maybe studying art nude I saw so many paintings with small but pert bosoms like mine so realised it’s still looks good. Maybe no plastic surgery because I bohemian approach to what is and not glamour and conformity. I never go to salons or hairdressers. I’m a do-it-myself kind of girl. I paint my own nails, cut my own hair, scrub my own back and choose my own hair dyes.
Lots of young women are getting it nowadays
Phwoar
Does this cheesy post deserve 5 likes and counting. Is this PBs level - mid sixties Carry On? 😂
I am having early night because I am going into EVERY shop in town tomorrow take care 🙋♀️
G'night
I am deeply ashamed of what I now realise was a completely inappropriate post. I undertake not to make similar comments in future.
No! It was bloody funny. 😀. It’s crime was cheese.
Now someone got to do “there’s a lot of it about - perhaps the government should act”
PB Tories now excusing breaking the rules, depressing
I’m not a pb Tory, and I think what happened did break the rules and the spirit of them too. I can however see how it may have happened. PB has revelled in the stupidity of the restriction nonsenses for the last 20 months. Wear a mask to move round a pub, but not when sitting. Rule of six. And on and on. Hand on heart did any of us adhere to every single rule? My parents defind a bubble as pretty much every member of their family. They visited us and marched straight into the house when there was no household mixing. We ALL broke some restrictions/rules.
It's not the rule breaking that bothers me, it's the hypocrisy. They made the rules the rest of us had to live by for months and the proceeded to ignore them completely. The rules were and currently are nonsense, I mean that whole vaccine pass at 1am for a pub with a dancefloor vs no dancefloor is just ridiculous for example. But they made them, if they don't want to stick to them then get rid for all of us.
For those saying that the unvaxxed are being made into a separate group - they are correct.
Over a certain age, being unvaxxed = being dead.
Just look at how the care homes were cleaned out pre-vaccine and statistically, we also know that being over 70 is a virtual death sentence and being over 50 is likely to have complications and possibly permanent disablement
People might also like to recall that a significant number of those in their 20s and 30s finish up with either long covid, heart conditions or lungs resembling chewed hamburger.
The vaccines do make us "safer". If you are vaccinated you are less likely to die or have complications regardless of how you catch it. That is safer than being dead or disabled.
So, over 100 Tory backbenchers rebel against what (I assume) was a three-line Whip, in direct opposition to the instructions of their leader, the Prime Minister of the UK.
And this just goes to show how weak and pathetic Starmer, the LOTO, is.
Have I got that right?
Amusing how opponents of the Labour Party are appalled that Labour isn't doing what they want.
What I'm still trying to figure out is where the Omicron hospitalisations are going to come from. Much like the doom models from July they seems to not take into account the level of immunity people have built up either with vaccines, infections or both. It's just a simple exercise of "this doubles every x days and y% will be hospitalised". I understand the need to be fast with projections in an emergency but this kind of simple model failed in July as well with less than a third of the overall predicted numbers being hospitalised and the R bumping along at 0.8-1.2 rather than the prediction of a constant 1.5, it seems that no one wants to learn from past mistakes.
The problem I have with this is no one knows how many unvaccinated adults there are who have already derived protection via infection.
In the Evening Standard tonight, one sentence said there were 2 million unvaccinated adults in London while another quoted 4-5 million nationally. Neither was evidenced in any way but that's what people will read.
IF, and again I lack the knowledge of many on here, Omicron is better at transmission than Delta the chances of an unvaccinated adult who has so far avoided the virus contracting the Omicron variant seem quite high.
Now, are we assuming those who contracted the virus in the spring of 2020 or early this year and have never been vaccinated still have some degree of antibody protection? I don't know - it seems implausible to this observer.
So, anyone who had the virus in April 2020 and has not been vaccinated since is presumably at risk but of course we have no knowledge of those numbers.
We actually do know, PHE does weekly surveillance of all 18+ for antibodies from vaccines or prior infection (they're slightly different so can easily be identified as one or the other). 95% of adults in the UK have got one or the other type of antibody, it's something like 85% have got antibodies from vaccines and 30% from prior infection with a big chunk of crossover.
The question is what kind of immunity everyone has, we know two dose immunity against Omicron only gives around a 65% reduction in hospitalisations but we also know that >90% of over 60s have had three doses now so in the categories most likely to go to hospital there could be over a 95% reduction on hospitalisations from Omicron already.
But yes, Omicron will definitely find that last 5% of adults who have no immunity at all.
That's very interesting thank you. So, it's thought that 'only' c. 30% of the population have had Covid. I'm not doubting that but it's surprisingly low. Thank goodness for the vaccines!
Bugs across globe are evolving to eat plastic, study finds https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/dec/14/bugs-across-globe-are-evolving-to-eat-plastic-study-finds … “We found multiple lines of evidence supporting the fact that the global microbiome’s plastic-degrading potential correlates strongly with measurements of environmental plastic pollution – a significant demonstration of how the environment is responding to the pressures we are placing on it,” said Prof Aleksej Zelezniak, at Chalmers University of Technology in Sweden…
Not encouraging if you’ve had plastic surgery? 😱
Have you?
No,I said earlier. Nothing. Nigel,brought it up earlier today. Nigel is having a plastic day 😂 When younger I thought of bigger boobs, but happy now I didn’t Then earlier mused on the driver. Is it I’m content now because in a relationship. Is driver lonelyness? Is it driver idealism need it to get loved up all the time? Maybe studying art nude I saw so many paintings with small but pert bosoms like mine so realised it’s still looks good. Maybe no plastic surgery because I bohemian approach to what is and not glamour and conformity. I never go to salons or hairdressers. I’m a do-it-myself kind of girl. I paint my own nails, cut my own hair, scrub my own back and choose my own hair dyes.
Lots of young women are getting it nowadays
Phwoar
Does this cheesy post deserve 5 likes and counting. Is this PBs level - mid sixties Carry On? 😂
I am having early night because I am going into EVERY shop in town tomorrow take care 🙋♀️
G'night
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And for those on Sunak as next PM, who do you think might be in "The Money Gang"?
The belief is out there that there is a vast difference and I strongly suspect this isn't true. I'd even go as far as saying that some of the lumpen would rather stand next to an infected person wearing a mask than a unvaccinated person. I think this is become a new 'class of person' issue and I find it most distasteful.
From a Covid risk perspective, I'd rather an unvaccinated healthcare worker whose hobby was reading booking than a double jabbed healthcare worker who frequented nightclubs twice a week. Neither of the 'risky' choices should be banned by law.
Its quite possible to take the piss out of how pathetic the parties seem to have been, while not excusing them.
If you are going to break the rules, might as well go Ferris Bueller's Day Off big...
Ps. I'm pleased with how the LDs voted today. Are you?
What I'm still trying to figure out is where the Omicron hospitalisations are going to come from. Much like the doom models from July they seems to not take into account the level of immunity people have built up either with vaccines, infections or both. It's just a simple exercise of "this doubles every x days and y% will be hospitalised". I understand the need to be fast with projections in an emergency but this kind of simple model failed in July as well with less than a third of the overall predicted numbers being hospitalised and the R bumping along at 0.8-1.2 rather than the prediction of a constant 1.5, it seems that no one wants to learn from past mistakes.
I'm not opposed to it being brought in gradually, I just think it might be counterproductive to do it quite so quickly.
Initially there was no evidence, then there was. There's more coming
She deliberately abstained, wasn't given permission to skip the vote like 19 others.
https://twitter.com/breeallegretti/status/1470865762382401537
Having a Hands, Face, First Place team quiz name on Zoom broke no rules.
But nice distraction looking at why people took part in a Zoom Quiz twelve months ago instead of why the Leader of the Opposition is so pathetically weak he couldn't extract any concessions today for his votes. Keep going, you might even convince yourself.
Bailey's resignation was correct as was Burley and Rigby's of Sky when they were caught out
Everyone of them thinks about the public inquiry all the time imho.
When younger I thought of bigger boobs, but happy now I didn’t
Then earlier mused on the driver. Is it I’m content now because in a relationship. Is driver lonelyness? Is it driver idealism need it to get loved up all the time?
Maybe studying art nude I saw so many paintings with small but pert bosoms like mine so realised it’s still looks good.
Maybe no plastic surgery because I bohemian approach to what is and not glamour and conformity. I never go to salons or hairdressers. I’m a do-it-myself kind of girl. I paint my own nails, cut my own hair, scrub my own back and choose my own hair dyes.
There isn’t an alternative. We can not eliminate Covid.
Trade minister tours US states, amid little to no progress on US-UK trade deal, & UK-US steel tariffs dispute unsettled even after US-EU deal, implores US to “awaken” a “paradigm shift” in US response to UK leaving orbit of EU “to be closer to you [US]”..
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/the-trade-revolution
Sunak abstaining with Reeves just reduces the Govt maj by 2
Pippa Crerar is playing games with us all.
Contracts for existing staff don't mention Covid of course, so they can't be sacked for not being vaccinated on contractual grounds.
In the Evening Standard tonight, one sentence said there were 2 million unvaccinated adults in London while another quoted 4-5 million nationally. Neither was evidenced in any way but that's what people will read.
IF, and again I lack the knowledge of many on here, Omicron is better at transmission than Delta the chances of an unvaccinated adult who has so far avoided the virus contracting the Omicron variant seem quite high.
Now, are we assuming those who contracted the virus in the spring of 2020 or early this year and have never been vaccinated still have some degree of antibody protection? I don't know - it seems implausible to this observer.
So, anyone who had the virus in April 2020 and has not been vaccinated since is presumably at risk but of course we have no knowledge of those numbers.
The delivery also included some Cornish ale to wash it down. A change from Yorkshire brews.
What I don't understand is why Graham Brady's postman isn't about to get a hernia. If you voted against tonight, why wouldn't you write a letter? Boris is already badly wounded, he'd probably lose a vote triggered now - if 100 MPs are willing to defy a three line whip, how many more were voting with gritted teeth. Its not like the rest of the party like him much either, nor is he currently an electoral asset.
I pick Bernado Silva and Man City are winning 7 nil and he only has one point in the fantasy football.
FML.
Get yer tits outhush ma mouf, etc.https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1470821697033015312?s=20 "Watch this space"
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1469788225673826308?s=20 "Incoming"
MMR is mandatory at our trust and obviously depending where you work Hep B may be needed along with TB immunity confirmed.
It's going to be interesting to see what happens with the mandatory Covid vaccines. We have via the Trust bulletin set out deadlines so that staff know when they need to have their 1st dose by so that they meet the April deadline for 2nd dose.
I have already seen a number of staff contacting us trying to get out of having it...
Everything hangs on Thursday's result.
We have our first winner. A Bexley Councillor
https://twitter.com/sally_hinkley/status/1470869154693632008?t=NI0mEExIdldY5DgSqAB1YA&s=19 https://twitter.com/adamlangleben/status/1470869074842423297
You're spoiling him.
I didn't listen to Johnson today, but it sounds like he is unable to think for himself and peddling the same myths about vaccination. The mandatory vaccination of medical workers law is evidence of the governments lack of foresight. If it is implement the NHS will lose a vast proportion of its staff, at a point in time when they are breaking under the pressure of Covid plus everything else. Not a good place to be in, and completely avoidable.
My sister is big in the rewilding world, and I get a lot of simple pleasure from posting on facebook photos called (accurately) Close-up of my sister's beaver and so on.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/antibodies
I am having early night because I am going into EVERY shop in town tomorrow take care 🙋♀️
The question is what kind of immunity everyone has, we know two dose immunity against Omicron only gives around a 65% reduction in hospitalisations but we also know that >90% of over 60s have had three doses now so in the categories most likely to go to hospital there could be over a 95% reduction on hospitalisations from Omicron already.
But yes, Omicron will definitely find that last 5% of adults who have no immunity at all.
Lib Dems could be hammering the government on this.
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Now someone got to do “there’s a lot of it about - perhaps the government should act”
Obviously, it shouldn't stop him being PM - at least he's not a lying alleged criminal, but...
Over a certain age, being unvaxxed = being dead.
Just look at how the care homes were cleaned out pre-vaccine and statistically, we also know that being over 70 is a virtual death sentence and being over 50 is likely to have complications and possibly permanent disablement
People might also like to recall that a significant number of those in their 20s and 30s finish up with either long covid, heart conditions or lungs resembling chewed hamburger.
The vaccines do make us "safer". If you are vaccinated you are less likely to die or have complications regardless of how you catch it. That is safer than being dead or disabled.