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  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,818
    Andy_JS said:

    I think the old-fashioned gatekeepers here in the UK mostly did a good job. I'm sorry that era is over. You could watch just about any news show in Britain in about 1990 and be fairly confident you were getting a relatively balanced view of what was going on in the world. Channel 4 News was slightly more left-wing than the others but it wasn't too pronounced.
    I think it started to go wrong when Andrew Marr was the BBC’s political editor. He was constantly trying to write the first draft of history instead of reporting the news.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    If the weddings restrictions get lifted I think the public will wear the four-week delay.

    The danger is now that things drag on and on.

    We had to keep the other restrictions because otherwise we couldn’t save weddings… you wouldn’t want to ruin their special day…
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,145

    James May was doing spin of shows long before the BBC canned Clarkson. Indeed he is by far the best of the trio and his shows are always worth watching as they bring niche hobbies to the public eye without being patronising.
    Jeremy Clarkson's military histories were very good: one on VCs; another on the Arctic convoys; and I think there was a third that I can't quite bring to mind.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,165
    Literally nobody is calling for GB News to be “cancelled” or “shut down” and yet the snowflakes are still absolutely frothing about it. Fascinating.
  • citycentrecitycentre Posts: 90

    England only data, 10th June release.

    My guess is that the area of interest is the 40-60 band - there is still a fair bit to do there.

    Age Band First Second
    Under 30 21.64% 11.96%
    30-34 47.06% 16.91%
    35-39 60.23% 20.20%
    40-44 71.50% 26.61%
    45-49 78.66% 36.04%
    50-54 84.73% 62.87%
    55-59 87.60% 69.82%

    60-64 89.80% 81.57%
    65-69 91.93% 88.28%
    70-74 94.25% 92.21%
    75-79 95.26% 93.38%
    80 plus 95.00% 92.26%
    Those under 60 arent very vulnerable anyway
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Foxy said:

    No, but are they accurate in the ownership of GB News?
    You know it’s public information?

    I had a quick look and recognised Chris Chandler, Paul Marshall and John Malone among the directors. (Legatum, Marshall Wace and Liberty)
  • citycentrecitycentre Posts: 90

    To coincide with the children going back to school? What a bonkers idea.
    Sounds like sacrifice summer to save autumn
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    Foxy said:

    You can't have watched much RT. It is quite Right wing populist in its agenda, anti-gay rights, anti Europe, anti-Biden etc.

    Some of the documentary bits are quite interesting though.
    I've watched it occasionally, i agree about the documentaries.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    dixiedean said:

    Yes. Not all willing over 50's have been done. Not by some way. Unlike the repeated assertions on here.
    We also have 8% of 60-64 And 2% of over 70's waiting for their second dose.
    Why?

    Why is there such a huge disparity?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,468
    edited June 2021

    Literally nobody is calling for GB News to be “cancelled” or “shut down” and yet the snowflakes are still absolutely frothing about it. Fascinating.

    StopFundingHate is running an active campaign to have pile on against any brands who advertise on there. They.are listing each brand that advertises and actively encouraging people to lobby them.

    Is there any evidence that GB News is spreading hate?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,841
    Dan Wooton has incredible teeth...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,468
    edited June 2021
    Charles said:

    You know it’s public information?

    I had a quick look and recognised Chris Chandler, Paul Marshall and John Malone among the directors. (Legatum, Marshall Wace and Liberty)
    Your not suggesting ByLine Media is spreading fake news are you?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,165

    StopFundingHate is running an active campaign to have pile on against any brands who advertise on there. They.are listing each brand that advertises and actively encouraging people to lobby them.
    Like I said: literally nobody.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,651

    Sounds like sacrifice summer to save autumn
    It's not summer which is being sacrificed but people's jobs and businesses and futures.

  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760

    Literally nobody is calling for GB News to be “cancelled” or “shut down” and yet the snowflakes are still absolutely frothing about it. Fascinating.

    It’s trending on Twitter and some people seem to be really angry about it and don’t like the politics but why are they getting into a foaming rage about something hidden away on a fairly obscure channel when they can do something else on a Sunday night?

    I watched 5 minutes and then stuck on a film. I guess some folk just love a bit of professional outrage.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Your not suggesting ByLine Media is spreading fake news are you?
    I didn’t read the article but I saw several of the usual suspects on each other breathlessly asking if we knew who funded GBNews. I guess they were trying to imply it was secret or something
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,189

    Those under 60 arent very vulnerable anyway
    To hospitalisation - yes, they are.

    The disparity between the ages where death is much more likely - over 60 - and the ages were hospitalisation is a risk - over 40 - have been know about for a long time in this epidemic.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,468
    edited June 2021
    Charles said:

    I didn’t read the article but I saw several of the usual suspects on each other breathlessly asking if we knew who funded GBNews. I guess they were trying to imply it was secret or something
    The thrust was none are British / British based / tax dodgers...

    Byline is a famous untrustworthy source....everything is some crazy conspiracy.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398

    StopFundingHate is running an active campaign to have pile on against any brands who advertise on there. They.are listing each brand that advertises and actively encouraging people to lobby them.
    I used to think stop funding hate was a good idea, at the time of the daily mails worst excesses in the aftermath of Brexit.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    edited June 2021
    Charles said:

    We had to keep the other restrictions because otherwise we couldn’t save weddings… you wouldn’t want to ruin their special day…
    That will probably be the line.

    Whitty often presents this idea of a Covid ‘budget’.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    "Swiss voters reject key climate change measures"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57457384
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    darkage said:

    I used to think stop funding hate was a good idea, at the time of the daily mails worst excesses in the aftermath of Brexit.
    Unfortunately their concept of ‘hate’ is any viewpoint to the right of the Guardian. It’s not like they were chasing after the BNP but rather media sources enjoyed by the centre ground and centre right. Really weird to hound advertisers who just want to reach the wider public.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Brom said:

    Unfortunately their concept of ‘hate’ is any viewpoint to the right of the Guardian. It’s not like they were chasing after the BNP but rather media sources enjoyed by the centre ground and centre right. Really weird to hound advertisers who just want to reach the wider public.
    Not weird at all. Unfortunately it’s very effective.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,189
    Cyclefree said:

    It is no doubt unworthy of me. But I'd drop all the ZeroCovid idiots into the middle of the South Atlantic.

    Why waste any island on them.
    Now, now. Be British. Be Traditional.

    St Helena is available......
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,936

    Why?

    Why is there such a huge disparity?
    I do not know. I am not an expert.
    All I did was, at the age of 54, book the first possible date at the first possible opportunity locally. Which was last Tuesday for my second jab. And I was available any day any time, unlike most. At which there were plenty of folk much older than me. And some in very poor health.
    Yet I have been being told for wèeks on here, by some posters, that all priority groups have been done, and labelling those that haven't anti-vaxxers.
    My idea is this. London has a higher proportion of young people and refusers. So they've moved down the groups much quicker. And certain other areas with high prevalence, such as Bolton, etc , have too.
    And folk have a natural tendency to assume their own experience is typical.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,468
    A final decision on whether to lift Covid restrictions in England on 21 June has not yet been taken, Boris Johnson has said ahead of an announcement on Monday.

    Well he better hurry up....
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    edited June 2021

    A final decision on whether to lift Covid restrictions in England on 21 June has not yet been taken, Boris Johnson has said ahead of an announcement on Monday.

    Well he better hurry up....

    I'm not surprised he can't make a final decision. He doesn't want to extend the lockdown, but everyone around him is telling him to do it.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Andy_JS said:

    I'm not surprised he can't make a final decision.
    My guess is that he desperately wants to go for it, but is under a lot of pressure to hold off. Be fascinating to be a fly on the wall.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,936

    A final decision on whether to lift Covid restrictions in England on 21 June has not yet been taken, Boris Johnson has said ahead of an announcement on Monday.

    Well he better hurry up....

    Maybe he's writing two speeches as we speak?
    By contrast to received opinion on here, if he says sod it go ahead open up, this will cost him in the polls.
    Delay and he only goes up.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    Canada has overtaken Israel in terms of first jabs according to this page.

    https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    A final decision on whether to lift Covid restrictions in England on 21 June has not yet been taken, Boris Johnson has said ahead of an announcement on Monday.

    Well he better hurry up....

    Surely in reality it’s a done deal that it’s not happening. Presumably there will be debate ongoing about sweeteners - weddings are the really big one.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,468

    Surely in reality it’s a done deal that it’s not happening. Presumably there will be debate ongoing about sweeteners - weddings are the really big one.
    Yes of course.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    dixiedean said:

    Maybe he's writing two speeches as we speak?
    By contrast to received opinion on here, if he says sod it go ahead open up, this will cost him in the polls.
    Delay and he only goes up.
    Not sure anyone on here is claiming otherwise.
    Lockdown is popular, we know that.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Andy_JS said:

    I'm not surprised he can't make a final decision. He doesn't want to extend the lockdown, but everyone around him is telling him to do it.
    There are one or two voices around him against extending it, but broadly I think your analysis is probably right.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Speaking of championship global sporting events, am getting ready to watch on TV delayed broadcast of the 2021 Westminster Dog Show. Which this year was (or maybe still is ongoing) held outdoors due to COVID.

    Which based on the mutts I know, should be just dandy from the canine competitor's point of view!
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    different voices will not be tolerated

    https://twitter.com/ukiswitheu/status/1404114770282811396

    https://twitter.com/paulwhateley/status/1403842531692060675

    Remember to boycott all advertisers on GBNews. Every single one. No exceptions
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,468
    edited June 2021
    Floater said:

    different voices will not be tolerated

    https://twitter.com/ukiswitheu/status/1404114770282811396

    https://twitter.com/paulwhateley/status/1403842531692060675

    Remember to boycott all advertisers on GBNews. Every single one. No exceptions

    The second rather laughably had "build bridges not walls" in his twitter bio...clearly that is conditional on agreeing with him.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,936

    Not sure anyone on here is claiming otherwise.
    Lockdown is popular, we know that.
    I've seen it. Mostly immediate post-leaking hysteria. It appears to have died off with the release of polling, I will admit.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,468
    edited June 2021
    dixiedean said:

    I've seen it. Mostly immediate post-leaking hysteria. It appears to have died off with the release of polling, I will admit.
    I still believe they will take a hit, even if WFHers are happy to remain at home for another month. Even Starmer must be able to stick the blame on Boris for this.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Re: the differentials in the age-distribution pattern for UK vax coverage, my un-educated surmise is that it follows from the vaccination roll-out mostly by age cohort, from older to younger. PLUS curve ball thrown when AZN was discontinued for people under 50 (think that's the cutoff). Also the younger you go, the more people who will have work conflicts & familial responsibilities limited to whatever extent their scheduling & mobility.

    Biggest gap on chart is for 2nd jabs between 63% for age 50-54 versus 36% for ages 45-49

    This would appear on its face due to the AZN restriction to age 50 plus?

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    "The whole channel is founded on a false prospectus – GB News was a disaster from start to finish

    Andrew Neil – who really should still be on the BBC – criticised the other broadcasters for being ‘echo chambers’. They’re not, as it happens, but GB News certainly is

    Sean O'Grady"

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/gb-news-review-andrew-neil-b1865175.html
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,189

    Re: the differentials in the age-distribution pattern for UK vax coverage, my un-educated surmise is that it follows from the vaccination roll-out mostly by age cohort, from older to younger. PLUS curve ball thrown when AZN was discontinued for people under 50 (think that's the cutoff). Also the younger you go, the more people who will have work conflicts & familial responsibilities limited to whatever extent their scheduling & mobility.

    Biggest gap on chart is for 2nd jabs between 63% for age 50-54 versus 36% for ages 45-49

    This would appear on its face due to the AZN restriction to age 50 plus?

    Err... under 49 are recent enough, that all the second doses haven't come up, yet!

    AZN is being offered down to 40, I believe.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,468
    edited June 2021
    Andy_JS said:

    "The whole channel is founded on a false prospectus – GB News was a disaster from start to finish

    Andrew Neil – who really should still be on the BBC – criticised the other broadcasters for being ‘echo chambers’. They’re not, as it happens, but GB News certainly is

    Sean O'Grady"

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/gb-news-review-andrew-neil-b1865175.html

    I got the message, though: the constant, repetitive “line” that the BBC, Sky News and ITV are ignoring views that they don’t like, the sort of things people outside the metropolitan elite disdain, and it’s time to let those opinions have the “space” they need, because people have been silenced for too long.

    It’s a lie. The whole channel is founded on a false prospectus, that it is there to act as some sort of antidote and balance to the other broadcasters who are citadels of groupthink, “client journalism” and contemptuous of those who don’t conform to their liberal, progressive values.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/gb-news-review-andrew-neil-b1865175.html

    Still don't get it do they....Brexit and Boris, they were absolute examples of group think. He clearly hasn't watched John Harris who gives an all too brief glimpse into those that don't get a voice.

    If GB News does is a different matter.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,936
    edited June 2021

    I still believe they will take a hit, even if WFHers are happy to remain at home for another month. Even Starmer must be able to stick the blame on Boris for this.
    I wouldn't count on it. On the face of it, it is an open goal. But Starmer may choose to pass it all the way back to the goalie.
    There is tremendous focus group resistance to blaming the PM for anything at all...
    He's had a terrible situation to deal with. No one could have done any better. He's had the virus so he knows best. And, he's doing his best.
    This last one I don't get. We could have elected a 3 year old named Olivia as PM, and doubtless she'd try to do her best (has any PM ever gone to work and thought, you know what? I'm going to deliberately screw up the country today?).
    Doesn't follow that Olivia is the best possible PM. Or should be immune from criticism. However, Borisophiles seem to think that way.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Clearly THE top news story of the week, was the guy who said he got swallowed by a whale, but survived because the whale spit him out - sorta like your (and yours truly) would spit out rather than swallow a fly that by mischance ended up in our gaping maws.

    However, seems that some have cast doubt upon this modern day tale of Jonah and the Whale.

    What is the opinion of the board on this burning question? AND just how woke was the whale?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    "GB News review – Andrew Neil’s alternative BBC? Utterly deadly stuff

    The ‘anti-woke’ news channel had Andrew Neil and Alan Sugar, but no Piers Morgan – and the opening night felt like the furthest thing from appointment TV imaginable. I give it a year

    Stuart Jeffries"

    https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/jun/13/gb-news-review-andrew-neils-alternative-bbc-utterly-deadly-stuff
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,468
    edited June 2021
    dixiedean said:

    I wouldn't count on it. On the face of it, it is an open goal. But Starmer may choose to pass it all the way back to the goalie.
    There is tremendous focus group resistance to blaming the PM for anything at all...
    He's had a terrible situation to deal with. No one could have done any better. He's had the virus so he knows best. And, he's doing his best.
    This last one I don't get. We could have elected a 3 year old named Olivia as PM, and doubtless she'd try to do her best (has any PM gone to work and thought, you know what? I'm going to screw up the country today?).
    Doesn't follow that Olivia is the best possible PM. Or should be immune from criticism. However, Borisophiles seem to think that way.
    You might be right...but this specific case, it is absolutely undeniable Airbridge v2.0 made this far worse.

    I can see how people can do some giving Boris benefit of the doubt on Lockdown #1, and Lockdown #2 was sold due to Kent variant (which again could have been handled much better), but which again not much you could do about the core issue.

    But this, this is 100% on the decision to keep the border open....and even Labour were ahead of the game on this one.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,468
    edited June 2021
    Andy_JS said:

    "GB News review – Andrew Neil’s alternative BBC? Utterly deadly stuff

    The ‘anti-woke’ news channel had Andrew Neil and Alan Sugar, but no Piers Morgan – and the opening night felt like the furthest thing from appointment TV imaginable. I give it a year

    Stuart Jeffries"

    https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/jun/13/gb-news-review-andrew-neils-alternative-bbc-utterly-deadly-stuff

    I am starting to think maybe GB News are onto a winner if they think its rubbish....they think Clarkson on Amazon is rubbish too and he does big numbers....and that Steve McQueen tv shows are the absolute dogs bollocks and nobody watches them. They are like Rogeradumus.

    They also dislike Sir Aluuuun....isn't he super popular? Doesn't the Apprentice do really well?
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,302

    I still believe they will take a hit, even if WFHers are happy to remain at home for another month. Even Starmer must be able to stick the blame on Boris for this.
    Has there been any polling on support for lockdown by party affiliation/current VI?

    I'd hazard a guess that Tory voters are most likely to want all restrictions lifting ASAP. Depending on the split, its quite possible that whilst extending lockdown enjoys (just about) majority support, it actually loses Boris votes, as most of those it pleases wouldn't vote for him if he was the last man on earth.

    On a personal level, I'm a Tory voter in a marginal seat. I'm not sure how I'll vote at the next election, but if it happened tomorrow I'd vote for the most anti-lockdown party available. There is a reasonable chance I'll still be so angry when then next election actually occurs as to vote against the government - particularly if they persist in acting as if they were a coalition between Corbyn's Labour and the Greens.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Re: the launch of GB, as an old-fashioned Hubert Humphrey liberal (but with long hair and tie-die socks) think it's a bit premature to condemn this new venture BEFORE they've actually done anything TO condemn.

    Strongly suspect THAT will happen sooner rather than later. Wait for it!

    Back in the day, used to enjoy the radio commentaries of Paul Harvey, who was VERY conservative but never came across as mean or unfair (even if he was) and was almost always interesting and worth listening to - so I did from time to time, despite being a pointy-headed liberal who often disagreed with his premises and conclusions.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,468
    edited June 2021

    Re: the launch of GB, as an old-fashioned Hubert Humphrey liberal (but with long hair and tie-die socks) think it's a bit premature to condemn this new venture BEFORE they've actually done anything TO condemn.

    Strongly suspect THAT will happen sooner rather than later. Wait for it!

    Back in the day, used to enjoy the radio commentaries of Paul Harvey, who was VERY conservative but never came across as mean or unfair (even if he was) and was almost always interesting and worth listening to - so I did from time to time, despite being a pointy-headed liberal who often disagreed with his premises and conclusions.

    From what I can see, the people they have hired on the whole aren't very good or aren't distinct from BBC / Sky because they have been hired from there. In comparison, Unherd is worth watching because Freddie Sayers is really good (again not traditional media background), he really knows his onions.

    The Athletic is great for sport, because they have hired some of the top talent from the mainstream and then gone out and found really top people who weren't in that world, especially the stat nerd type people e.g Tifo football crew.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    From what I can see, the people they have hired on the whole aren't very good or aren't distinct from BBC / Sky because they have been hired from there.
    From PB commentary sure sounds like GB's gotten off to rocky start, technique- & technically-speaking. But that's not exactly novel in the world of media & broadcasting. So they've got time to iron out the bugs and show the people (and critics) something - PROVIDED their investors have the money. Which I'm guessing they do, for a year or more anyway?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,468
    edited June 2021

    From PB commentary sure sounds like GB's gotten off to rocky start, technique- & technically-speaking. But that's not exactly novel in the world of media & broadcasting. So they've got time to iron out the bugs and show the people (and critics) something - PROVIDED their investors have the money. Which I'm guessing they do, for a year or more anyway?
    I don't place anything in ohhhh the sounds off, oh the lighting isn't quite right. I mean even on established channels it goes wrong.

    I think a valid criticism from the Guardian piece is they haven't managed to hire say a Piers Morgan or Nick Ferrari. Ferrari would have been a good hire for GB News, as he is a tough interviewer without going over the top like Morgan.

    They needed something like that, and then some people who really know their stuff. Sky News back in the day actually had that with for example Tim Marshall, a real expert in foreign affairs, but they binned them off.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787

    Speaking of championship global sporting events, am getting ready to watch on TV delayed broadcast of the 2021 Westminster Dog Show. Which this year was (or maybe still is ongoing) held outdoors due to COVID.

    Which based on the mutts I know, should be just dandy from the canine competitor's point of view!

    at Lyndhurst, a gilded age robber baron mansion just down the road from where we live, There is now anti Westminster Kennel Club graffiti in our town as a result.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,145

    I don't place anything in ohhhh the sounds off, oh the lighting isn't quite right. I mean even on established channels it goes wrong.

    I think a valid criticism from the Guardian piece is they haven't managed to hire say a Piers Morgan or Nick Ferrari. Ferrari would have been a good hire for GB News, as he is a tough interviewer without going over the top like Morgan.

    They needed something like that, and then some people who really know their stuff. Sky News back in the day actually had that with for example Tim Marshall, a real expert in foreign affairs, but they binned them off.
    "I don't place anything in ohhhh the sounds off, oh the lighting isn't quite right. I mean even on established channels it goes wrong."

    True but on the other hand, GB News's launch was the night for which it had six months to prepare and rehearse, to get the lighting right and the set design right and to synchronise sound and pictures. If they can't get it right when they are under no pressure at all, what will happen when GB News is reacting to a bomb or an earthquake or, you know, news?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,468
    edited June 2021

    "I don't place anything in ohhhh the sounds off, oh the lighting isn't quite right. I mean even on established channels it goes wrong."

    True but on the other hand, GB News's launch was the night for which it had six months to prepare and rehearse, to get the lighting right and the set design right and to synchronise sound and pictures. If they can't get it right when they are under no pressure at all, what will happen when GB News is reacting to a bomb or an earthquake or, you know, news?
    They haven't been building the set or rehearsing for 6 months though. Its all happened in a month or so. Yes the channel has long been touted, but now I don't know if that is because of COVID or something else, but they haven't been actually in that office for very long.

    You can see on YouTube, literally 3 weeks ago, it was an empty unit. Its all been cobbled together very quickly.

    As for reacting to breaking news, Neil claims you are looking in the wrong place if you think that is what GB news is for.

    Personally I don't see it, but then I'm not a retired Brexit supporter pissed off with the BBC and Sky and doesn't know where to look on YouTube to get expert opinion. That is clearly their demographic, as most of their hires couldn't be described as experts in anything.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,255
    Andy_JS said:

    "GB News review – Andrew Neil’s alternative BBC? Utterly deadly stuff

    The ‘anti-woke’ news channel had Andrew Neil and Alan Sugar, but no Piers Morgan – and the opening night felt like the furthest thing from appointment TV imaginable. I give it a year

    Stuart Jeffries"

    https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/jun/13/gb-news-review-andrew-neils-alternative-bbc-utterly-deadly-stuff

    I suspect that was an article that was mostly written well before GB News actually aired. As far as the Guardian columnists were concerned GB news would never be allowed to be anything other than a failure in their paper.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    rpjs said:

    at Lyndhurst, a gilded age robber baron mansion just down the road from where we live, There is now anti Westminster Kennel Club graffiti in our town as a result.
    What are they unhappy about? The crowds? (Of people, not dogs!)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,369

    I suspect that was an article that was mostly written well before GB News actually aired. As far as the Guardian columnists were concerned GB news would never be allowed to be anything other than a failure in their paper.
    Yes, places I wouldn't go for an unbiased review of GB News...

    That being said, I really can't see the business model for GB News.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,468
    edited June 2021
    rcs1000 said:

    Yes, places I wouldn't go for an unbiased review of GB News...

    That being said, I really can't see the business model for GB News.
    Its totally baffling to me. They aren't even exploiting YouTube properly, like BBC and Sky, there are a few random clips put up, but that's it.

    If it was a smaller outfit, nimble and low cost, and then they went with some sort of (split) subscription type model, I could perhaps see it. The way a Sam Harris makes all his money, you can get some of the content for free, you need to sub for the rest.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295

    Its totally baffling to me. They aren't even exploiting YouTube properly, like BBC and Sky, there are a few random clips put up, but that's it.

    If it was a smaller outfit, nimble and low cost, and then they went with some sort of (split) subscription type model, I could perhaps see it. The way a Sam Harris makes all his money, you can get some of the content for free, you need to sub for the rest.
    Maybe they're afraid of being kicked off YouTube if they livestream everything.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,468
    This thread has been shut down like GB News in 6 months...
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,617

    I suspect that was an article that was mostly written well before GB News actually aired. As far as the Guardian columnists were concerned GB news would never be allowed to be anything other than a failure in their paper.
    They were always going to write that sort of review, just as the telegraph was always going to write a favourable one.
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