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FrancisUrquhart said:

Jonathan said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Jonathan said:

Floater said:

Gallowgate said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

GB News aims to solve a problem we do not have with an offering 10 years past its sell by date.

Why are the left so scared of GBNews

It is the same mindset that saw the red wall fall

I have no idea how it will work out but it may just succeed, who knows

Well we're scared of the Fox News-ification of the UK political narrative because it's toxic. It remains to be seen if GB News will play that role.

I won't be watching it but I don't watch any live TV whatsoever, other than sport, so I don't really care otherwise.

God forbid viewers might have a choice that dissents from the left wing view point eh

Curious that the right feel underrepresented in the media despite their lot running most of it. Boris , Gove et all hardly suffered from lack of exposure on the BBC for example. Feels like some kind of weird insecurity to need yet another echo chamber.

You seem to be making all these assumptions about GB News. That it will be a Fox News echo chamber.

When Neil was on the BBC, I don't think anybody thought the Daily Politics was that. He just seemed to give bullshitting politicians all round a bashing.

TV News Channels in 2021. 😀

Reminds me of how TV-AM started. How long til Andrew Neil is replaced by Roland Rat?

But seriously, tv news channels? The only justification seems to generate outrage to serve other media. Why not cut out the middle man and find someone that can work with modern media directly?

Well i said repeatedly i don't think it will succeed...but there is a market for current affairs / news commentary type shows.

Whisper it, Carl Benjamin, that Sagan of Akkad guy, does more views on YouTube, giving his daily 2hr take on the news than Adam Boulton at the same time on Sky and makes a good living out of it.

Well quite. YouTube is far more interesting than this.

If Neil et al were serious they could have just done the interviews on YouTube and stood on the quality of the content. Instead they have to wrap it in the anachronistic pomposity of a tv channel. A figleaf at best.

Anabobazina said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Anabobazina said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

GB News aims to solve a problem we do not have with an offering 10 years past its sell by date.

Why are the left so scared of GBNews

It is the same mindset that saw the red wall fall

I have no idea how it will work out but it may just succeed, who knows

Is "the left" scared of GB News? If it is, tonight's launch won't be giving "the left" nightmares. It's got Andrew Neil, but it's Boris Johnson who runs scared of him. It's got Michelle Dewberry off Sky, and Neil Oliver who, for reasons I've never quite fathomed, annoys the Scottish cybernats. And then I switched off.

Michelle Dewberry??? She was on QT recently - was a complete idiot.

If you knew her back story you might be a bit kinder

I didn’t know her from Eve until I asked on here. Apparently she won the Apprentice?

Yes and she had a terrible childhood, suffers bouts of depression and even suicidal thoughts, and her battle is one to be admired, not put down

An inspiration to many who suffer mental health issues

Gallowgate said:

RobD said:

Gallowgate said:

RobD said:

Gallowgate said:

RobD said:

Gallowgate said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Benpointer said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Jonathan said:

Floater said:

Gallowgate said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

GB News aims to solve a problem we do not have with an offering 10 years past its sell by date.

Why are the left so scared of GBNews

It is the same mindset that saw the red wall fall

I have no idea how it will work out but it may just succeed, who knows

Well we're scared of the Fox News-ification of the UK political narrative because it's toxic. It remains to be seen if GB News will play that role.

I won't be watching it but I don't watch any live TV whatsoever, other than sport, so I don't really care otherwise.

God forbid viewers might have a choice that dissents from the left wing view point eh

Curious that the right feel underrepresented in the media despite their lot running most of it. Boris , Gove et all hardly suffered from lack of exposure on the BBC for example. Feels like some kind of weird insecurity to need yet another echo chamber.

You seem to be making all these assumptions about GB News. That it will be a Fox News echo chamber.

When Neil was on the BBC, I don't think anybody thought the Daily Politics was that. He just seemed to give bullshitting politicians all round a bashing.

So what is the 'gap' GB News is aiming to fill?

There is definitely a market for in depth proper factual correct analysis...not as we have seen every f##king day on BBC and Sky during the pandemic...and why a bloke in his bedroom gets more views on covid.

That's all very well, but Scott's post suggests there is not much "analysis" or "debate" going on.

Sounds like it's just the introductions today.

When was the last time a BBC host did an uninterrupted personal monologue to camera?

Maybe when the BBC just started? I don't know.

I doubt it.

What's with the editing of my comment? The context is the programs haven't actually started yet.

I was only responding to part of your comment.

It's broadcasting so it's worthy of comment. The fact that "normal" programs haven't started yet is irrelevant.

I don't understand why the "right" is so defensive about GB News. It's really quite something.

But why delete it? You can reply to only part of it without removing the context of my answer.

Evening all

I thought GBN launched tomorrow so we'll see what it has to offer.

I'm not sure we need a third "rolling news" channel alongside BBC and SKY but I suspect that's not what GBN is about - it seems to want to provide a more analytical, opinion-based commentary of the news. Clearly, they see a niche for something the BBC and SKY aren't providing.

I must confess I'm not one of those people who has "the news" on in the background the whole time - it's all a bit Orwellian for my tastes. I'm not sure I'd prefer to hear my worldview re-enforced constantly any more than I'd enjoy hearing my worldview challenged constantly but the latter would make me think.

I've got to say I'm one of those people who has an annoying habit of disagreeing with majorities and the zeitgeist. I was contrarian before it became popular I suppose.

Too many subjects are too complex and nuanced to be distilled into three minute "discussions" between two opposing view points. That's where I part company with rolling news - this content-lite approach fails to educate or inform. Perhaps GBN will for instance devote an hour or a day to housing or climate change or transport or health - issues which need proper debate and analysis with a plurality and diversity of opinions and viewpoints.

If it does, I might give it a try.

Gallowgate said:

RobD said:

Gallowgate said:

RobD said:

Gallowgate said:

RobD said:

Gallowgate said:

RobD said:

Gallowgate said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Benpointer said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Jonathan said:

Floater said:

Gallowgate said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

GB News aims to solve a problem we do not have with an offering 10 years past its sell by date.

Why are the left so scared of GBNews

It is the same mindset that saw the red wall fall

I have no idea how it will work out but it may just succeed, who knows

Well we're scared of the Fox News-ification of the UK political narrative because it's toxic. It remains to be seen if GB News will play that role.

I won't be watching it but I don't watch any live TV whatsoever, other than sport, so I don't really care otherwise.

God forbid viewers might have a choice that dissents from the left wing view point eh

Curious that the right feel underrepresented in the media despite their lot running most of it. Boris , Gove et all hardly suffered from lack of exposure on the BBC for example. Feels like some kind of weird insecurity to need yet another echo chamber.

You seem to be making all these assumptions about GB News. That it will be a Fox News echo chamber.

When Neil was on the BBC, I don't think anybody thought the Daily Politics was that. He just seemed to give bullshitting politicians all round a bashing.

So what is the 'gap' GB News is aiming to fill?

There is definitely a market for in depth proper factual correct analysis...not as we have seen every f##king day on BBC and Sky during the pandemic...and why a bloke in his bedroom gets more views on covid.

That's all very well, but Scott's post suggests there is not much "analysis" or "debate" going on.

Sounds like it's just the introductions today.

When was the last time a BBC host did an uninterrupted personal monologue to camera?

Maybe when the BBC just started? I don't know.

I doubt it.

What's with the editing of my comment? The context is the programs haven't actually started yet.

I was only responding to part of your comment.

It's broadcasting so it's worthy of comment. The fact that "normal" programs haven't started yet is irrelevant.

I don't understand why the "right" is so defensive about GB News. It's really quite something.

But why delete it? You can reply to only part of it without removing the context of my answer.

So what?

So what? It's editing my answer. It wasn't as if it was something on a completely separate topic.

Northern_Al said:

Well, I've just watched 15 minutes of GB news. Dan Wooton on anti-woke stuff, just a right-wing tirade (anti-lockdown, anti-knee, anti-Harry/Meghan). To be followed by Farage, Sumption and Alan Sugar later tonight. A panel of Oliver, somebody from the Daily Express, and somebody I've never heard of. Hm - a theme seems to be developing. Fox News, eat your heart out.

It's just a diet of very right-wing guff, isn't it? No (new) news at all, just stale debates and attacks on the liberal metropolitan woke Guardian-reading leftie Labour-voting elite who apparently run everything in this country. Not sure it's necessary when these views are put forth very well by the current government.

I know that's a hasty judgement. But the evidence is already pretty strong.

Your penultimate sentence is succinct

Leon said:

RobD said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Jonathan said:

GB News aims to solve a problem we do not have with an offering 10 years past its sell by date.

Actually no....there is limited in depth coverage these days.

There is a market as there are YouTube and podcasts channels that do really good numbers. In fact far better than when BBC / Sky out their videos online and better than Newsnight. if GB News is also that, no idea.

Yeah, proper in-depth interviews with politicians. Check out old interviews from the 70s and 80s. What passes for an interview today is a joke.

And yet if you go on Spotify or Youtube you can find someone like Joe Rogan interviewing Elon Musk or a senator or a writer for THREE HOURS: intelligent, serious, in-depth analysis

And making a fortune doing it

There is a market for this, question is will GB News aim for that, or just fail as another crappier Sky News?

It hasn't been that slick tonight. And Dan Wootton has forgotten he's a presenter and not a partisan guest.

That said, some of the panelists aren't too bad and I like the different angles they're taking on certain topics.

The trap they mustn't fall into is overcompensating for the fact some of this stuff isn't covered fairly or faithfully by the MSM by angrily turning it up to 11 the other way.

Do it, yeah, but do it well and soberly.

FrancisUrquhart said:

Jonathan said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Jonathan said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Jonathan said:

Floater said:

Gallowgate said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

GB News aims to solve a problem we do not have with an offering 10 years past its sell by date.

Why are the left so scared of GBNews

It is the same mindset that saw the red wall fall

I have no idea how it will work out but it may just succeed, who knows

Well we're scared of the Fox News-ification of the UK political narrative because it's toxic. It remains to be seen if GB News will play that role.

I won't be watching it but I don't watch any live TV whatsoever, other than sport, so I don't really care otherwise.

God forbid viewers might have a choice that dissents from the left wing view point eh

Curious that the right feel underrepresented in the media despite their lot running most of it. Boris , Gove et all hardly suffered from lack of exposure on the BBC for example. Feels like some kind of weird insecurity to need yet another echo chamber.

You seem to be making all these assumptions about GB News. That it will be a Fox News echo chamber.

When Neil was on the BBC, I don't think anybody thought the Daily Politics was that. He just seemed to give bullshitting politicians all round a bashing.

TV News Channels in 2021. 😀

Reminds me of how TV-AM started. How long til Andrew Neil is replaced by Roland Rat?

But seriously, tv news channels? The only justification seems to generate outrage to serve other media. Why not cut out the middle man and find someone that can work with modern media directly?

Well i said repeatedly i don't think it will succeed...but there is a market for current affairs / news commentary type shows.

Whisper it, Carl Benjamin, that Sagan of Akkad guy, does more views on YouTube, giving his daily 2hr take on the news than Adam Boulton at the same time on Sky and makes a good living out of it.

Well quite. YouTube is far more interesting than this.

If Neil et al were serious they could have just done the interviews on YouTube and stood on the quality of the content. Instead they have to wrap it in the anachronistic pomposity of a tv channel. A figleaf at best.

Well not also being on YouTube seems like a massive mistake. TalkRadio get a lot of their traffic via it.

In 2021, TV channels are to YouTube what pompous prog rock was to punk.

Gallowgate said:

RobD said:

Gallowgate said:

RobD said:

Gallowgate said:

RobD said:

Gallowgate said:

RobD said:

Gallowgate said:

RobD said:

Gallowgate said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Benpointer said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Jonathan said:

Floater said:

Gallowgate said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

GB News aims to solve a problem we do not have with an offering 10 years past its sell by date.

Why are the left so scared of GBNews

It is the same mindset that saw the red wall fall

I have no idea how it will work out but it may just succeed, who knows

Well we're scared of the Fox News-ification of the UK political narrative because it's toxic. It remains to be seen if GB News will play that role.

I won't be watching it but I don't watch any live TV whatsoever, other than sport, so I don't really care otherwise.

God forbid viewers might have a choice that dissents from the left wing view point eh

Curious that the right feel underrepresented in the media despite their lot running most of it. Boris , Gove et all hardly suffered from lack of exposure on the BBC for example. Feels like some kind of weird insecurity to need yet another echo chamber.

You seem to be making all these assumptions about GB News. That it will be a Fox News echo chamber.

When Neil was on the BBC, I don't think anybody thought the Daily Politics was that. He just seemed to give bullshitting politicians all round a bashing.

So what is the 'gap' GB News is aiming to fill?

There is definitely a market for in depth proper factual correct analysis...not as we have seen every f##king day on BBC and Sky during the pandemic...and why a bloke in his bedroom gets more views on covid.

That's all very well, but Scott's post suggests there is not much "analysis" or "debate" going on.

Sounds like it's just the introductions today.

When was the last time a BBC host did an uninterrupted personal monologue to camera?

Maybe when the BBC just started? I don't know.

I doubt it.

What's with the editing of my comment? The context is the programs haven't actually started yet.

I was only responding to part of your comment.

It's broadcasting so it's worthy of comment. The fact that "normal" programs haven't started yet is irrelevant.

I don't understand why the "right" is so defensive about GB News. It's really quite something.

But why delete it? You can reply to only part of it without removing the context of my answer.

So what?

So what? It's editing my answer. It wasn't as if it was something on a completely separate topic.

So what though? Who cares man, your original comment was literally the post above.

Well clearly I care. I think it's just rude to alter the meaning or intention of someone's post. The second part of it clearly gave context for the first part.

Gallowgate said:

RobD said:

Gallowgate said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Benpointer said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Jonathan said:

Floater said:

Gallowgate said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

GB News aims to solve a problem we do not have with an offering 10 years past its sell by date.

Why are the left so scared of GBNews

It is the same mindset that saw the red wall fall

I have no idea how it will work out but it may just succeed, who knows

Well we're scared of the Fox News-ification of the UK political narrative because it's toxic. It remains to be seen if GB News will play that role.

I won't be watching it but I don't watch any live TV whatsoever, other than sport, so I don't really care otherwise.

God forbid viewers might have a choice that dissents from the left wing view point eh

Curious that the right feel underrepresented in the media despite their lot running most of it. Boris , Gove et all hardly suffered from lack of exposure on the BBC for example. Feels like some kind of weird insecurity to need yet another echo chamber.

You seem to be making all these assumptions about GB News. That it will be a Fox News echo chamber.

When Neil was on the BBC, I don't think anybody thought the Daily Politics was that. He just seemed to give bullshitting politicians all round a bashing.

So what is the 'gap' GB News is aiming to fill?

There is definitely a market for in depth proper factual correct analysis...not as we have seen every f##king day on BBC and Sky during the pandemic...and why a bloke in his bedroom gets more views on covid.

That's all very well, but Scott's post suggests there is not much "analysis" or "debate" going on.

Sounds like it's just the introductions today.

When was the last time a BBC host did an uninterrupted personal monologue to camera?

Andrew Neil when Bozo chickened out of the interview.

SandyRentool said:

Gallowgate said:

RobD said:

Gallowgate said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Benpointer said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Jonathan said:

Floater said:

Gallowgate said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

GB News aims to solve a problem we do not have with an offering 10 years past its sell by date.

Why are the left so scared of GBNews

It is the same mindset that saw the red wall fall

I have no idea how it will work out but it may just succeed, who knows

Well we're scared of the Fox News-ification of the UK political narrative because it's toxic. It remains to be seen if GB News will play that role.

I won't be watching it but I don't watch any live TV whatsoever, other than sport, so I don't really care otherwise.

God forbid viewers might have a choice that dissents from the left wing view point eh

Curious that the right feel underrepresented in the media despite their lot running most of it. Boris , Gove et all hardly suffered from lack of exposure on the BBC for example. Feels like some kind of weird insecurity to need yet another echo chamber.

You seem to be making all these assumptions about GB News. That it will be a Fox News echo chamber.

When Neil was on the BBC, I don't think anybody thought the Daily Politics was that. He just seemed to give bullshitting politicians all round a bashing.

So what is the 'gap' GB News is aiming to fill?

There is definitely a market for in depth proper factual correct analysis...not as we have seen every f##king day on BBC and Sky during the pandemic...and why a bloke in his bedroom gets more views on covid.

That's all very well, but Scott's post suggests there is not much "analysis" or "debate" going on.

Sounds like it's just the introductions today.

When was the last time a BBC host did an uninterrupted personal monologue to camera?

Andrew Neil when Bozo chickened out of the interview.

That explains a lot tbf

Scott_xP said:

Doing news differently:
👉lockdown
👉taking the knee
👉Harry and Meghan

THANK GOD someone is finally covering these issues
https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1404168562156228619

We have found their target viewer. It's SeanT

To be fair, that'll get more viewers than Matt Chorley on Times radio.

Gallowgate said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Gallowgate said:

stodge said:

Evening all

I thought GBN launched tomorrow so we'll see what it has to offer.

I'm not sure we need a third "rolling news" channel alongside BBC and SKY but I suspect that's not what GBN is about - it seems to want to provide a more analytical, opinion-based commentary of the news. Clearly, they see a niche for something the BBC and SKY aren't providing.

I must confess I'm not one of those people who has "the news" on in the background the whole time - it's all a bit Orwellian for my tastes. I'm not sure I'd prefer to hear my worldview re-enforced constantly any more than I'd enjoy hearing my worldview challenged constantly but the latter would make me think.

I've got to say I'm one of those people who has an annoying habit of disagreeing with majorities and the zeitgeist. I was contrarian before it became popular I suppose.

Too many subjects are too complex and nuanced to be distilled into three minute "discussions" between two opposing view points. That's where I part company with rolling news - this content-lite approach fails to educate or inform. Perhaps GBN will for instance devote an hour or a day to housing or climate change or transport or health - issues which need proper debate and analysis with a plurality and diversity of opinions and viewpoints.

If it does, I might give it a try.

If it does that, it'll be really good. However I still don't think it can be a commercial success doing that - unless it has a wealthy benefactor who doesn't care about losing money.

The market has already shown it is possible to be commercially successful doing that.

I recall @rcs1000 running the numbers and coming to a different conclusion. It's much cheaper to run a YouTube channel from your bedroom rather than shelling out millions of quid on salaries.

I meant about the long form content....i have said repeatedly I don think they will make it work with the way they have gone.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Anabobazina said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Anabobazina said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

GB News aims to solve a problem we do not have with an offering 10 years past its sell by date.

Why are the left so scared of GBNews

It is the same mindset that saw the red wall fall

I have no idea how it will work out but it may just succeed, who knows

Is "the left" scared of GB News? If it is, tonight's launch won't be giving "the left" nightmares. It's got Andrew Neil, but it's Boris Johnson who runs scared of him. It's got Michelle Dewberry off Sky, and Neil Oliver who, for reasons I've never quite fathomed, annoys the Scottish cybernats. And then I switched off.

Michelle Dewberry??? She was on QT recently - was a complete idiot.

If you knew her back story you might be a bit kinder

I didn’t know her from Eve until I asked on here. Apparently she won the Apprentice?

Yes and she had a terrible childhood, suffers bouts of depression and even suicidal thoughts, and her battle is one to be admired, not put down

An inspiration to many who suffer mental health issues

Agreed, however I didn’t know any of that.

Not enough on alien anal probing for SeanT.

Anabobazina said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Anabobazina said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Anabobazina said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

GB News aims to solve a problem we do not have with an offering 10 years past its sell by date.

Why are the left so scared of GBNews

It is the same mindset that saw the red wall fall

I have no idea how it will work out but it may just succeed, who knows

Is "the left" scared of GB News? If it is, tonight's launch won't be giving "the left" nightmares. It's got Andrew Neil, but it's Boris Johnson who runs scared of him. It's got Michelle Dewberry off Sky, and Neil Oliver who, for reasons I've never quite fathomed, annoys the Scottish cybernats. And then I switched off.

Michelle Dewberry??? She was on QT recently - was a complete idiot.

If you knew her back story you might be a bit kinder

I didn’t know her from Eve until I asked on here. Apparently she won the Apprentice?

Yes and she had a terrible childhood, suffers bouts of depression and even suicidal thoughts, and her battle is one to be admired, not put down

An inspiration to many who suffer mental health issues

Agreed, however I didn’t know any of that.

Indeed but she is an inspiration to many

Quite a goal

stodge said:

Too many subjects are too complex and nuanced to be distilled into three minute "discussions" between two opposing view points. That's where I part company with rolling news - this content-lite approach fails to educate or inform.

On this, you are dead right.

Rolling news only really works on a level that you would have to say would be bordering on distasteful - rubbernecking on an unfolding, confused, dramatic and inevitably bad news story live and uninterrupted.

Watching them pad out a slow news day by repeating the same handful of headlines every hour of the day, the whole thing looks like the pointless endeavour it really is.

solarflare said:

stodge said:

Too many subjects are too complex and nuanced to be distilled into three minute "discussions" between two opposing view points. That's where I part company with rolling news - this content-lite approach fails to educate or inform.

On this, you are dead right.

Rolling news only really works on a level that you would have to say would be bordering on distasteful - rubbernecking on an unfolding, confused, dramatic and inevitably bad news story live and uninterrupted.

Watching them pad out a slow news day by repeating the same handful of headlines every hour of the day, the whole thing looks like the pointless endeavour it really is.

But are people supposed to watch "rolling news" recreationally?

It's basically designed as filler content for screens in hotels and offices, with people tuning in specifically when something big happens, or when specific programmes are on.

The thing I find odd about news channels is that they are on air essentially forever, but they are always running out of time.

Forget the clock - if there is an interesting debate in progress let it run its course.

Feck

Go Ukraine!

Netherlands 2-2 Ukraine. Goodness.

SandyRentool said:

The thing I find odd about news channels is that they are on air essentially forever, but they are always running out of time.

Forget the clock - if there is an interesting debate in progress let it run its course.

Because they don't really want to properly discuss anything.

Ukraine is not yet dead, nor its glory and freedom,
Luck will still smile on us brother-Ukrainians.
Our enemies will die, as the dew does in the sunshine,
and we, too, brothers, we'll live happily in our land.

source: https://www.lyricsondemand.com/miscellaneouslyrics/nationalanthemslyrics/ukrainenationalanthemlyrics.html

Good euros so far

Lively matches, CROWDS! some excellent goals, England win, sunshine, yay

Jonathan said:

Floater said:

Gallowgate said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

GB News aims to solve a problem we do not have with an offering 10 years past its sell by date.

Why are the left so scared of GBNews

It is the same mindset that saw the red wall fall

I have no idea how it will work out but it may just succeed, who knows

Well we're scared of the Fox News-ification of the UK political narrative because it's toxic. It remains to be seen if GB News will play that role.

I won't be watching it but I don't watch any live TV whatsoever, other than sport, so I don't really care otherwise.

God forbid viewers might have a choice that dissents from the left wing view point eh

Curious that the right feel underrepresented in the media despite their lot running most of it. Boris , Gove et all hardly suffered from lack of exposure on the BBC for example. Feels like some kind of weird insecurity to need yet another echo chamber.

I just don't get that. The BBC is the one dominant media organisation in the UK, and it takes it lead from the Guardian. It would be very rare that any of its presenters would be outed as right wing, indeed most eventually reveal their views to be left of centre. They do try to be balanced, but sometimes you can balance coverage in a strange easy, or choose not to cover things in a certain way. For this reason for many of the influential people in this country the rise of Brexit, UKIP, red wall conservatism is a complete surprise. Many of these journalists will be in the same echo chambers as the Labour party and cannot grasp how the world outside twitter functions. In the print press most newspapers are right wing, but I don't have a problem with that - I'm not forced to buy them. If I disagree with what they print I can buy my news elsewhere - they are not brainwashing their readers, but carefully reflecting their views back at them. What is truly sad is that I would pay for a centrist newspaper but I just go to the BBC and get it all for free.

3-2 to Netherlands.

Nigel!

Andy_JS said:

3-2 to Netherlands.

boo

So how many members of Independent SAGE have been on GB News so far?

RobD said:

rottenborough said:

Lockdown sceptics are doing their nuts over the G7 meeting and the total lack of social distancing, masks and rules.

And can you blame them?

There certainly was a lot of mingling going on.

I believe that the plebs ... ahem, 'waiters' ... were wearing masks.

Northern_Al said:

Well, I've just watched 15 minutes of GB news. Dan Wooton on anti-woke stuff, just a right-wing tirade (anti-lockdown, anti-knee, anti-Harry/Meghan). To be followed by Farage, Sumption and Alan Sugar later tonight. A panel of Oliver, somebody from the Daily Express, and somebody I've never heard of. Hm - a theme seems to be developing. Fox News, eat your heart out.

It's just a diet of very right-wing guff, isn't it? No (new) news at all, just stale debates and attacks on the liberal metropolitan woke Guardian-reading leftie Labour-voting elite who apparently run everything in this country. Not sure it's necessary when these views are put forth very well by the current government.

I know that's a hasty judgement. But the evidence is already pretty strong.

This is the thing I don't get - the Conservative Party has double figure poll leads and a large majority in the Commons. Of what are they so frightened?

I listen to some on here who seem determined to find another front in some perpetual cultural war and fight it as though civilisation depends on it.

Er, no - the overwhelming majority of the British people aren't interested - they don't care about the "culture war". This notion of an anti-Government "elite" running everything is so daft it's astonishing it even gets an airing.

Again, it's more than a tad Orwellian - what will it be next - the 15-minute Hate?

stodge said:

Northern_Al said:

Well, I've just watched 15 minutes of GB news. Dan Wooton on anti-woke stuff, just a right-wing tirade (anti-lockdown, anti-knee, anti-Harry/Meghan). To be followed by Farage, Sumption and Alan Sugar later tonight. A panel of Oliver, somebody from the Daily Express, and somebody I've never heard of. Hm - a theme seems to be developing. Fox News, eat your heart out.

It's just a diet of very right-wing guff, isn't it? No (new) news at all, just stale debates and attacks on the liberal metropolitan woke Guardian-reading leftie Labour-voting elite who apparently run everything in this country. Not sure it's necessary when these views are put forth very well by the current government.

I know that's a hasty judgement. But the evidence is already pretty strong.

This is the thing I don't get - the Conservative Party has double figure poll leads and a large majority in the Commons. Of what are they so frightened?

I listen to some on here who seem determined to find another front in some perpetual cultural war and fight it as though civilisation depends on it.

Er, no - the overwhelming majority of the British people aren't interested - they don't care about the "culture war". This notion of an anti-Government "elite" running everything is so daft it's astonishing it even gets an airing.

Again, it's more than a tad Orwellian - what will it be next - the 15-minute Hate?

Yes please, directed at Matt Hancock and those zero COVID wankers.

The ads are all mainstream and they're rolling quite a few of them every 15 minutes, so they're obviously pulling in some funding.

Northern_Al said:

Well, I've just watched 15 minutes of GB news. Dan Wooton on anti-woke stuff, just a right-wing tirade (anti-lockdown, anti-knee, anti-Harry/Meghan). To be followed by Farage, Sumption and Alan Sugar later tonight. A panel of Oliver, somebody from the Daily Express, and somebody I've never heard of. Hm - a theme seems to be developing. Fox News, eat your heart out.

It's just a diet of very right-wing guff, isn't it? No (new) news at all, just stale debates and attacks on the liberal metropolitan woke Guardian-reading leftie Labour-voting elite who apparently run everything in this country. Not sure it's necessary when these views are put forth very well by the current government.

I know that's a hasty judgement. But the evidence is already pretty strong.

Charitably, perhaps they are looking to grab an audience with some red meat to salivate over, and develop more actual news down the line.

I don't tend to watch news regardless, so I won't know, but if they aren't going for flat out right wing news I'm not sure what market they would be going after that is not already well served.

kle4 said:

Northern_Al said:

Well, I've just watched 15 minutes of GB news. Dan Wooton on anti-woke stuff, just a right-wing tirade (anti-lockdown, anti-knee, anti-Harry/Meghan). To be followed by Farage, Sumption and Alan Sugar later tonight. A panel of Oliver, somebody from the Daily Express, and somebody I've never heard of. Hm - a theme seems to be developing. Fox News, eat your heart out.

It's just a diet of very right-wing guff, isn't it? No (new) news at all, just stale debates and attacks on the liberal metropolitan woke Guardian-reading leftie Labour-voting elite who apparently run everything in this country. Not sure it's necessary when these views are put forth very well by the current government.

I know that's a hasty judgement. But the evidence is already pretty strong.

Charitably, perhaps they are looking to grab an audience with some red meat to salivate over, and develop more actual news down the line.

I don't tend to watch news regardless, so I won't know, but if they aren't going for flat out right wing news I'm not sure what market they would be going after that is not already well served.

I watched the segment with Sumption with the footie in the background. Interesting. But too short.

Casino_Royale said:

The ads are all mainstream and they're rolling quite a few of them every 15 minutes, so they're obviously pulling in some funding.

Out of interest what would count as a non mainstream ad?

Northern_Al said:

Well, I've just watched 15 minutes of GB news. Dan Wooton on anti-woke stuff, just a right-wing tirade (anti-lockdown, anti-knee, anti-Harry/Meghan). To be followed by Farage, Sumption and Alan Sugar later tonight. A panel of Oliver, somebody from the Daily Express, and somebody I've never heard of. Hm - a theme seems to be developing. Fox News, eat your heart out.

It's just a diet of very right-wing guff, isn't it? No (new) news at all, just stale debates and attacks on the liberal metropolitan woke Guardian-reading leftie Labour-voting elite who apparently run everything in this country. Not sure it's necessary when these views are put forth very well by the current government.

I know that's a hasty judgement. But the evidence is already pretty strong.

I agree, but the problem is BBC News and Sky News are just left/liberal, Woke tirades most of the time, so this channel is there to balance it out.

It would be far better if each news channel was neutral, like they used to be 10 or 15 years ago.

Hard to imagine a better advert for the BBC than half an hour of #GBNews
https://twitter.com/TimAdamsWrites/status/1404179823992446978

Never been a better moment to thank @OpsBbc for being fantastic for what they achieve putting our News on air 24/7. #Proud
https://twitter.com/morwenw/status/1404171323493040134

Scott_xP said:

Hard to imagine a better advert for the BBC than half an hour of #GBNews
https://twitter.com/TimAdamsWrites/status/1404179823992446978

Never been a better moment to thank @OpsBbc for being fantastic for what they achieve putting our News on air 24/7. #Proud
https://twitter.com/morwenw/status/1404171323493040134

Remind me of the BBC's budget again?

Nemtynakht said:

Jonathan said:

Floater said:

Gallowgate said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

GB News aims to solve a problem we do not have with an offering 10 years past its sell by date.

Why are the left so scared of GBNews

It is the same mindset that saw the red wall fall

I have no idea how it will work out but it may just succeed, who knows

Well we're scared of the Fox News-ification of the UK political narrative because it's toxic. It remains to be seen if GB News will play that role.

I won't be watching it but I don't watch any live TV whatsoever, other than sport, so I don't really care otherwise.

God forbid viewers might have a choice that dissents from the left wing view point eh

Curious that the right feel underrepresented in the media despite their lot running most of it. Boris , Gove et all hardly suffered from lack of exposure on the BBC for example. Feels like some kind of weird insecurity to need yet another echo chamber.

I just don't get that. The BBC is the one dominant media organisation in the UK, and it takes it lead from the Guardian. It would be very rare that any of its presenters would be outed as right wing, indeed most eventually reveal their views to be left of centre. They do try to be balanced, but sometimes you can balance coverage in a strange easy, or choose not to cover things in a certain way. For this reason for many of the influential people in this country the rise of Brexit, UKIP, red wall conservatism is a complete surprise. Many of these journalists will be in the same echo chambers as the Labour party and cannot grasp how the world outside twitter functions. In the print press most newspapers are right wing, but I don't have a problem with that - I'm not forced to buy them. If I disagree with what they print I can buy my news elsewhere - they are not brainwashing their readers, but carefully reflecting their views back at them. What is truly sad is that I would pay for a centrist newspaper but I just go to the BBC and get it all for free.

Is it really "very rare that any [BBC] presenters would be outed as right wing"?

Nick Robinson, Jeremy Paxman, Allegra Stratton? And whatever happened to Andrew Neil?

Nemtynakht said:

I just don't get that. The BBC is the one dominant media organisation in the UK, and it takes it lead from the Guardian. It would be very rare that any of its presenters would be outed as right wing, indeed most eventually reveal their views to be left of centre. They do try to be balanced, but sometimes you can balance coverage in a strange easy, or choose not to cover things in a certain way. For this reason for many of the influential people in this country the rise of Brexit, UKIP, red wall conservatism is a complete surprise. Many of these journalists will be in the same echo chambers as the Labour party and cannot grasp how the world outside twitter functions. In the print press most newspapers are right wing, but I don't have a problem with that - I'm not forced to buy them. If I disagree with what they print I can buy my news elsewhere - they are not brainwashing their readers, but carefully reflecting their views back at them. What is truly sad is that I would pay for a centrist newspaper but I just go to the BBC and get it all for free.

Conservatives have always been well represented at the BBC.

I'm not quite sure UKIP was that much of a surprise to anyone - there were strong anti-EEC and anti-EU forces in both the Conservative and Labour parties (in 1983, had Foot won, we'd have left the EEC). The surprise was first that having offered a referendum if he won a majority, Cameron found himself forced to follow up on that pledge.

Second surprise (perhaps) was that the Conservative Party did so little to support and so much to undermine their own Prime Minister in the Referendum campaign.

As for the "Red Wall", the more I think about it the surprise is not that it fell but why it took the Conservatives so long. The destruction of Labour in the suburban north has been a project 40 years in the making - the inevitable expansion of prosperity has created a new wealthier suburban north of England which is more like its southern counterpart (or at least how it was - the South is changing as well).

Jonathan said:

Neil would have been better advised doing stripped back, interviews on YouTube rather than wrapping it up in all the overproduced, anachronistic guff that goes with TV.

Yeah, but their target audience is the oldies who want to watch the goggle box not YouTube youngsters.

It will be all stairlift and funeral plan adverts from tommorow.

citycentre said:

stodge said:

Northern_Al said:

Well, I've just watched 15 minutes of GB news. Dan Wooton on anti-woke stuff, just a right-wing tirade (anti-lockdown, anti-knee, anti-Harry/Meghan). To be followed by Farage, Sumption and Alan Sugar later tonight. A panel of Oliver, somebody from the Daily Express, and somebody I've never heard of. Hm - a theme seems to be developing. Fox News, eat your heart out.

It's just a diet of very right-wing guff, isn't it? No (new) news at all, just stale debates and attacks on the liberal metropolitan woke Guardian-reading leftie Labour-voting elite who apparently run everything in this country. Not sure it's necessary when these views are put forth very well by the current government.

I know that's a hasty judgement. But the evidence is already pretty strong.

This is the thing I don't get - the Conservative Party has double figure poll leads and a large majority in the Commons. Of what are they so frightened?

I listen to some on here who seem determined to find another front in some perpetual cultural war and fight it as though civilisation depends on it.

Er, no - the overwhelming majority of the British people aren't interested - they don't care about the "culture war". This notion of an anti-Government "elite" running everything is so daft it's astonishing it even gets an airing.

Again, it's more than a tad Orwellian - what will it be next - the 15-minute Hate?

Problem is the left dominate education the legal profession and the media amongst others. The conservatives lost the cultural war despite been in power manybyears

That last sentence is certainly true.

Much as I'd prefer to see left of centre parties in power, I'm increasingly of the opinion that it doesn't really matter. The advancement of social democratic ideas is pushed by changing public attitudes and politicians can only follow on behind.

kle4 said:

Casino_Royale said:

The ads are all mainstream and they're rolling quite a few of them every 15 minutes, so they're obviously pulling in some funding.

Out of interest what would count as a non mainstream ad?

Dunno. Zimmer frames. Garden centres. Ads for LBC.

Not Weetabix, Deliveroo and Kelloggs.

Malmesbury said:

stodge said:

Northern_Al said:

Well, I've just watched 15 minutes of GB news. Dan Wooton on anti-woke stuff, just a right-wing tirade (anti-lockdown, anti-knee, anti-Harry/Meghan). To be followed by Farage, Sumption and Alan Sugar later tonight. A panel of Oliver, somebody from the Daily Express, and somebody I've never heard of. Hm - a theme seems to be developing. Fox News, eat your heart out.

It's just a diet of very right-wing guff, isn't it? No (new) news at all, just stale debates and attacks on the liberal metropolitan woke Guardian-reading leftie Labour-voting elite who apparently run everything in this country. Not sure it's necessary when these views are put forth very well by the current government.

I know that's a hasty judgement. But the evidence is already pretty strong.

This is the thing I don't get - the Conservative Party has double figure poll leads and a large majority in the Commons. Of what are they so frightened?

I listen to some on here who seem determined to find another front in some perpetual cultural war and fight it as though civilisation depends on it.

Er, no - the overwhelming majority of the British people aren't interested - they don't care about the "culture war". This notion of an anti-Government "elite" running everything is so daft it's astonishing it even gets an airing.

Again, it's more than a tad Orwellian - what will it be next - the 15-minute Hate?

You seem to be assuming that GBNews = Conservative Party

He's also assuming that the current Conservative Party is in any way culturally conservative. The idea that the current government should assuage fears, or indeed that elections make the blindest bit of difference to the current swing of the pendulum on culture is laughable.

Benpointer said:

citycentre said:

stodge said:

Northern_Al said:

Well, I've just watched 15 minutes of GB news. Dan Wooton on anti-woke stuff, just a right-wing tirade (anti-lockdown, anti-knee, anti-Harry/Meghan). To be followed by Farage, Sumption and Alan Sugar later tonight. A panel of Oliver, somebody from the Daily Express, and somebody I've never heard of. Hm - a theme seems to be developing. Fox News, eat your heart out.

It's just a diet of very right-wing guff, isn't it? No (new) news at all, just stale debates and attacks on the liberal metropolitan woke Guardian-reading leftie Labour-voting elite who apparently run everything in this country. Not sure it's necessary when these views are put forth very well by the current government.

I know that's a hasty judgement. But the evidence is already pretty strong.

This is the thing I don't get - the Conservative Party has double figure poll leads and a large majority in the Commons. Of what are they so frightened?

I listen to some on here who seem determined to find another front in some perpetual cultural war and fight it as though civilisation depends on it.

Er, no - the overwhelming majority of the British people aren't interested - they don't care about the "culture war". This notion of an anti-Government "elite" running everything is so daft it's astonishing it even gets an airing.

Again, it's more than a tad Orwellian - what will it be next - the 15-minute Hate?

Problem is the left dominate education the legal profession and the media amongst others. The conservatives lost the cultural war despite been in power manybyears

That last sentence is certainly true.

Much as I'd prefer to see left of centre parties in power, I'm increasingly of the opinion that it doesn't really matter.

Governments are not ideologically coherent at the best of times. Every now and then a big policy of change will happen (occasionally even for the better!), we've seen that, but for most issues it's a big old mess, and a circular one at that as old ideas get rehashed, and they gravitate to doing what is achievable in a quick way, which tends to limit the range of options for a government be it left or right.

Casino_Royale said:

kle4 said:

Casino_Royale said:

The ads are all mainstream and they're rolling quite a few of them every 15 minutes, so they're obviously pulling in some funding.

Out of interest what would count as a non mainstream ad?

Dunno. Zimmer frames. Garden centres. Ads for LBC.

Not Weetabix, Deliveroo and Kelloggs.

Ads for ads perhaps? Nothing sadder than a big old space with 'you could place your ad here, where no one else chose to apparently'.

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Nemtynakht said:

Jonathan said:

Floater said:

Gallowgate said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

GB News aims to solve a problem we do not have with an offering 10 years past its sell by date.

Why are the left so scared of GBNews

It is the same mindset that saw the red wall fall

I have no idea how it will work out but it may just succeed, who knows

Well we're scared of the Fox News-ification of the UK political narrative because it's toxic. It remains to be seen if GB News will play that role.

I won't be watching it but I don't watch any live TV whatsoever, other than sport, so I don't really care otherwise.

God forbid viewers might have a choice that dissents from the left wing view point eh

Curious that the right feel underrepresented in the media despite their lot running most of it. Boris , Gove et all hardly suffered from lack of exposure on the BBC for example. Feels like some kind of weird insecurity to need yet another echo chamber.

I just don't get that. The BBC is the one dominant media organisation in the UK, and it takes it lead from the Guardian. It would be very rare that any of its presenters would be outed as right wing, indeed most eventually reveal their views to be left of centre. They do try to be balanced, but sometimes you can balance coverage in a strange easy, or choose not to cover things in a certain way. For this reason for many of the influential people in this country the rise of Brexit, UKIP, red wall conservatism is a complete surprise. Many of these journalists will be in the same echo chambers as the Labour party and cannot grasp how the world outside twitter functions. In the print press most newspapers are right wing, but I don't have a problem with that - I'm not forced to buy them. If I disagree with what they print I can buy my news elsewhere - they are not brainwashing their readers, but carefully reflecting their views back at them. What is truly sad is that I would pay for a centrist newspaper but I just go to the BBC and get it all for free.

Is it really "very rare that any [BBC] presenters would be outed as right wing"?

Nick Robinson, Jeremy Paxman, Allegra Stratton? And whatever happened to Andrew Neil?

Don't forget Laura ('Boris is my best mate') Kuennsberg.