Something I don’t understand. Why are you all pretending like you don’t know what the result is? Are your tenter hooks genuine? Is the excitement building to some sort of pretend explosion and happiness some sort of game?
It’s actually a cold sober business turning pledges into successful policy, landslide victory into a lasting and significant change. The next 24 hours rather ephemeral in the struggle. Like the Pomp of Edward Elgar played at the graduation, it means nothing without the circumstance of battle to come.
I find election nights exciting in and of themselves. In fact I'm more interested in them than I am in politics per se.
Why hate Trump? The guy roped decent conservative standards and philosophy to himself, and jumped into a dark ocean. Democrats and liberals should erect statues to remember him by.
You're new here, right? Can you save the trolling until after results?
The DeKalb and Greene numbers are "OK" for the President. He's got big leads, but they're down on 2016, and rural turnout is simply not up that much compared to what we'd expect.
Agree. However, I can’t see the average surgery having the storage technology. And, as one of the commenters said, there’s got to be a time allowed to get the individual doses....... ?preloaded syringe ..... to get warm enough not to have a deleterious effect on the patient! Maintaining the cold chain will be difficult, although not impossible. Case as stated, not easy, but not impossible, and, of course, very welcome.
The U.K. government was the largest global buyer of fridges earlier in the year
Can confirm that this news about vaccine is circulation widely officially within the NHS. Although you presumably need some pretty powerful fridges to store a vaccine at -70 degrees.
Standard -80 at any uni biology/ pharmacology dept.
Liquid nitrogen dewars go down to -190 degrees!
We got to play with the liquid nitrogen in second year experiments.
Having used it for 25 years the novelty wears off. Still like making snow in summer (ice formed on transfer hoses) though...
Did you ever play "how long can I stick my finger in the liquid nitrogen"? Probably just as well we aren't allowed to use it in schools...
Nope but very well aware of what you can and can’t get away with...
Colleague of mine was a fluorine chemist in a previous life: that is a substance where the list of things you can get away with is essentially blank.
Well, on the upside - he got another life. I'll get my coat....
I have been in my current job for four years. I started a couple of weeks after the 2016 US election. Looking back on that evening I remember going to bed with all the predictions that Hillary would win. RCS and others on here were convinced. So I'm not taking anything for granted. So far it seems as if turnout is up but not much else of note.
CNN reporting partial results from first three deep red counties in Indiana/Kentucky. In each case with a majority of the vote counted, Trump's margin over Biden has fallen quite noticeably compared with that over Clinton in 2016. However, given the disparity between postal/early in person voting/ election day voting, if one part of that is being counted more than the rest that pattern might be misleading.
CNN sating in Indiana most of the votes reported early are mail in ballot votes
On the one hand I’m a bit jealous of the granular data, but on the other hand I feel the yanks miss out on returning officer theatre.
Do they even make the candidates at various races stand on a stage with a guy in an elmo costume and another with a bucket on his head? Is it even really democracy at that point?
ITV just showed a live video of a counting centre in Philadelphia and it looked surprisingly similar to a British election counting centre in a places like Sunderland. I don't think I've ever seen that before on an American election night. They don't usually bother showing them.
in that one county clinton got a total of 2929 votes.
Just looked at Jessamine County there and with only 2/3 votes in Bidens already got 1000 more votes than Clinton did , she got 28% of the vote last time, hes on 38%, , wonder if those sort of numbers will be repeated across KY
On the one hand I’m a bit jealous of the granular data, but on the other hand I feel the yanks miss out on returning officer theatre.
Do they even make the candidates at various races stand on a stage with a guy in an elmo costume and another with a bucket on his head? Is it even really democracy at that point?
You’re not a real world leader unless you’ve had to treat Lord Bucket Head as an equal.
Is that a U-turn? They didn't change anything from what was initially announced.
They initially announced no alcohol sales - they’ve changed that to allowing pre-ordered (phone/online) because of all the beer that would have been binned.
I think people will overly interpret the result tonight if it is a landslide for Biden.
People were fed up with Trump's divisive rhetoric and bullshit, and coronavirus has totally killed him, but Biden is a moderate candidate and many will have lent him their vote.
He and Kamala need to tread lightly. If they use it as a mandate for very radical Leftward change the Republicans will be back, possibly as early as 2024.
in that one county clinton got a total of 2929 votes.
Just looked at Jessamine County there and with only 2/3 votes in Bidens already got 1000 more votes than Clinton did , she got 28% of the vote last time, hes on 38%, , wonder if those sort of numbers will be repeated across KY
I've been looking at a number of the early counties and Biden has more votes (and by enough to account to greater turnout) than clinton did in 2016. too early to read anything into it though
The rural Indiana Counties are showing 9 to 12% increases in turnout.
Can someone talk me out of my view that rural red state results are meaningless? Only, if Biden is up appreciably, you have two narratives which could easily be true, but are contradictory:
1) Biden is up even in red states, this is great news for his chances in the electoral college and the easier states. 2) Biden's national poll lead is an electoral college mirage - he's building up useless votes, and will lose narrowly in all the states that matter.
I think people will overly interpret the result tonight if it is a landslide for Biden.
People were fed up with Trump's divisive rhetoric and bullshit, and coronavirus has totally killed him, but Biden is a moderate candidate and many will have lent him their vote.
He and Kamala need to tread lightly. If they use it as a mandate for very radical Leftward change the Republicans will be back, possibly as early as 2024.
It would be very easy for the more radical types to give in to the temptation to go too far, particularly in acting punitively or on extreme matters. That Biden probably is not that way inclined is presumably why the more excitable ones are not huge fans of his, and it will be interesting to see how much he can set the agenda vs being pressured by others, in the event of a landslide.
Does anyone have any recommendations in the current Laithwaite's sale?
No idea what your budget is but Waitrose has a decent quaffing Saumur down from £9-odd to £7.50.
Might be finishing today that said!
A rather nice Cote Du Rhone Villages for me tonight from Majestic, but only a half bottle, and some cheese to mop it up. I have the morning off, but busy afternoon
If you're brave there may be a lag from what we may be starting to see and the spreads. It has happened before e.g. the Brexit vote.
But I'm not going to be held responsible
Yeah it’s stating to look like if there’s money to be made it’s on people underestimating a landslide after it’s looking likely. A bit like 2015 and the stupid odds on a Tory majority late on. I get so nervous with foreign counties though and being sure I have good data.
Note, early reporting will be massively biased towards all the mail-in and early voting.
Not true.
Some states report mail in first, others report on the day first.
Only going on what the news channel are saying.
538 has an excellent state-by-state guide as to which sort of votes will be released first. It's under the heading "When to expect election results in every state".
If you're brave there may be a lag from what we may be starting to see and the spreads. It has happened before e.g. the Brexit vote.
But I'm not going to be held responsible
Yeah it’s stating to look like if there’s money to be made it’s on people underestimating a landslide after it’s looking likely. A bit like 2015 and the stupid odds on a Tory majority late on. I get so nervous with foreign counties though and being sure I have good data.
Does anyone have any recommendations in the current Laithwaite's sale?
No idea what your budget is but Waitrose has a decent quaffing Saumur down from £9-odd to £7.50.
Might be finishing today that said!
A rather nice Cote Du Rhone Villages for me tonight from Majestic, but only a half bottle, and some cheese to mop it up. I have the morning off, but busy afternoon
I'm actually not a midweek drinker so totally sober for me right now but I had a bottle at the weekend and it was very easy to drink!
Malmesbury please please please drop it tonight. This is the US election. Once in every 4 years. I don't want to see flipping charts about CV.
Trump's about to lose because of the coronavirus, and we're going into national lockdown over it in 24 hours, so it's a hard 'post whatever you like' to Malmesbury from me!
Officially the most annoying US TV announcement is 'too close to call' brought in with a whooshing sound on screen.. Then its repeated every 2 mins, we are calling Nevada ' TOO CLOSE TO CALL'.
Does anyone have any recommendations in the current Laithwaite's sale?
No idea what your budget is but Waitrose has a decent quaffing Saumur down from £9-odd to £7.50.
Might be finishing today that said!
A rather nice Cote Du Rhone Villages for me tonight from Majestic, but only a half bottle, and some cheese to mop it up. I have the morning off, but busy afternoon
I'm actually not a midweek drinker so totally sober for me right now but I had a bottle at the weekend and it was very easy to drink!
I think people will overly interpret the result tonight if it is a landslide for Biden.
People were fed up with Trump's divisive rhetoric and bullshit, and coronavirus has totally killed him, but Biden is a moderate candidate and many will have lent him their vote.
He and Kamala need to tread lightly. If they use it as a mandate for very radical Leftward change the Republicans will be back, possibly as early as 2024.
Possibly. Depends if the Reps tack back to the centre or go fuĺl on QAnon crazy. So too early to tell.
Mr at the data board is good, it is when they go to the talking heads it just becomes so partisan. Fox News is surprisingly straight shooting on reporting.
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I love the CNN map. Great live reporting
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1323765884268224514
Hopefully Miss Cyclefree can be happy.
Might be finishing today that said!
People were fed up with Trump's divisive rhetoric and bullshit, and coronavirus has totally killed him, but Biden is a moderate candidate and many will have lent him their vote.
He and Kamala need to tread lightly. If they use it as a mandate for very radical Leftward change the Republicans will be back, possibly as early as 2024.
But I'm not going to be held responsible
UK cases by specimen date
Lib-Dems STILL winning everywhere!
1) Biden is up even in red states, this is great news for his chances in the electoral college and the easier states.
2) Biden's national poll lead is an electoral college mirage - he's building up useless votes, and will lose narrowly in all the states that matter.
Thanks for coming Ed!
Where can I buy Anacott Steel?
2020 vs 2016 (so far)
These numbers are Trump's share by county.
Still 310 Buy on Biden's ECV Spreadex
Biden 1.47
Trump 3.05
'Sake.
Big issue for Trump here is that turnout is not up that much.
About as much use as a chocolate teapot.
Depends if the Reps tack back to the centre or go fuĺl on QAnon crazy.
So too early to tell.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.170351424
But because of this early voting vs on the day, it's still hard to see the wood for the trees. Anyone able to dissect this?