Agree. However, I can’t see the average surgery having the storage technology. And, as one of the commenters said, there’s got to be a time allowed to get the individual doses....... ?preloaded syringe ..... to get warm enough not to have a deleterious effect on the patient! Maintaining the cold chain will be difficult, although not impossible. Case as stated, not easy, but not impossible, and, of course, very welcome.
The U.K. government was the largest global buyer of fridges earlier in the year
Yes, I recall Boris road testing one during last year's General Electuion.
That's 6pm Eastern isn't it? Are we expecting anything that early?
I didn't think we were expecting anything until 1.30 our time at the earliest?
The exit poll is due shortly and then the first polls close 7PM eastern (midnight UK)
So weird having exit polls before polls close. Is it nationwide or limited states?
Agree but it is nothing new. I remember in 1992 there being a whole host of Exit Polls reported as if they were actual results as soon as the Eastern States closed. One poor guy whose main job was to press a button for the winner of each state, pressed the Perot button for four of five states!
If I understand the implication of that calculation correctly, it's pointing to a Biden lead 1-1.5 points smaller than the 538 forecast.
I think the implication is intended to be a Biden victory by 1.5 points, though since the forecast was Biden by 2.5 points, those conclusions are - in fact - largely interchangeable.
Agree. However, I can’t see the average surgery having the storage technology. And, as one of the commenters said, there’s got to be a time allowed to get the individual doses....... ?preloaded syringe ..... to get warm enough not to have a deleterious effect on the patient! Maintaining the cold chain will be difficult, although not impossible. Case as stated, not easy, but not impossible, and, of course, very welcome.
The U.K. government was the largest global buyer of fridges earlier in the year
Could just be for Boris to hide in though, whenever the need arises.
It was revealed last week that the data for the phase 3 both was now being looked at.
We'll know within 48 hours of unblinding because it will financially sensitive news that will be need to be released to shareholders.
Am I misreading this? Does this not include the Phase 3 trial data?
“We confirm the MHRA’s (Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency) rolling review of our potential COVID-19 vaccine,” an AstraZeneca spokesman said. In rolling reviews, regulators are able to see clinical data in real time and have dialogue with drug makers on manufacturing processes and trials to accelerate the approval process.
It means in sections - preclinical, tox, CMC, etc. Trial data is added when each chapter is ready but you don’t see it “live” as it were - the database needs to be locked and scrubbed before it can be submitted
Agree. However, I can’t see the average surgery having the storage technology. And, as one of the commenters said, there’s got to be a time allowed to get the individual doses....... ?preloaded syringe ..... to get warm enough not to have a deleterious effect on the patient! Maintaining the cold chain will be difficult, although not impossible. Case as stated, not easy, but not impossible, and, of course, very welcome.
The U.K. government was the largest global buyer of fridges earlier in the year
Agree. However, I can’t see the average surgery having the storage technology. And, as one of the commenters said, there’s got to be a time allowed to get the individual doses....... ?preloaded syringe ..... to get warm enough not to have a deleterious effect on the patient! Maintaining the cold chain will be difficult, although not impossible. Case as stated, not easy, but not impossible, and, of course, very welcome.
The U.K. government was the largest global buyer of fridges earlier in the year
Tell us what you know. At least a hint.
Did we buy fridges? Or did we buy a promise of some fridges?
Is Buyfridges a new department store in competition with Selfridges?
In that case that poll on face value is bad for Biden. Also the CNN reporter at Biden HQ said something about 'pessimism ' in the camp about FL. Not sure if that was 'leaked' out to motivate more pollsters but seemed strange so early to hear that
Agree. However, I can’t see the average surgery having the storage technology. And, as one of the commenters said, there’s got to be a time allowed to get the individual doses....... ?preloaded syringe ..... to get warm enough not to have a deleterious effect on the patient! Maintaining the cold chain will be difficult, although not impossible. Case as stated, not easy, but not impossible, and, of course, very welcome.
The U.K. government was the largest global buyer of fridges earlier in the year
Really? Interesting, although are we talking about temperatures down to about -10deg C, or industrial ones? Given the suggestion that vaccine storage needed to be around -70.
None of the vaccine trials have been unblinded yet. This is good news, but until enough people in the placebo group get CV19, there is no official news.
Statistically, we're any day now for Pfizer/BioNTech, and probably a month away for AZN/Oxford and Moderna.
Hopefully not a month away from the completion of the British AstraZeneca trial. The implication seems to be that the UK may authorise the Oxford vaccine on the basis of the British trial without waiting for the results of the US trial.
They are the same trial, but I guess you could close early if you had hit sufficient patients to get statistical significance
That actually is being bold, to be fairness. Like Woodcock going into 2017 saying he would not support Corbyn, many probably are doing the same (albeit maybe not at his level) but won't admit it.
Agree. However, I can’t see the average surgery having the storage technology. And, as one of the commenters said, there’s got to be a time allowed to get the individual doses....... ?preloaded syringe ..... to get warm enough not to have a deleterious effect on the patient! Maintaining the cold chain will be difficult, although not impossible. Case as stated, not easy, but not impossible, and, of course, very welcome.
The U.K. government was the largest global buyer of fridges earlier in the year
Can confirm that this news about vaccine is circulation widely officially within the NHS. Although you presumably need some pretty powerful fridges to store a vaccine at -70 degrees.
Standard -80 at any uni biology/ pharmacology dept.
CNN has settled down now. They're saying the first exit polls will be in 35 minutes (10pm our time). Biden currently chatting about integration in pleasant but slightly rambling way.
Their exit polls aren't what see as exit polls. No bong of Big Ben and the computer predicts. CNN exit poll is 3hrs of deliberate click-baiting....coming up after the break more info from the exit poll.....how did left handed African American Women who like ice dancing see Biden choice of sports jacket....after this break, fantastic new information from our exit poll...this time, it will be this time, they tell us something useful....oh its how Mexican's see Trump choice of wall placement locations.
Sorry I hadn't seen this before making the same point. A truly awful channel.
Can we just have Dimbleby et al. to do a UK version of the US results?
America needs a Sir John Curtice (pbuh).
They need knighthoods in general, else how are they supposed to know who to listen to?
The other thing i dislike about CNN is just how overly over the top tribal it is from off by the talkong heads. Straight into Trump hates the Muslims, that's why he loses tonight...at least in the UK, we get a few hours of politeness, lets see how it goes, befote we get into talking heads making suggestions about why results are happening.
I can't see that an exit poll that incorporates phone polling is going to be very reliable. Didn't YouGOV try that in this country a few years ago and it didn't go very well.
One of the reasons why exit polls have been so excellent in this country in recent years is because by consistently targeting the same polling stations, they can effectively allow for voters lying or certain voters not responding - on the basis that the errors will be consistent from election to election.
Agree. However, I can’t see the average surgery having the storage technology. And, as one of the commenters said, there’s got to be a time allowed to get the individual doses....... ?preloaded syringe ..... to get warm enough not to have a deleterious effect on the patient! Maintaining the cold chain will be difficult, although not impossible. Case as stated, not easy, but not impossible, and, of course, very welcome.
The U.K. government was the largest global buyer of fridges earlier in the year
Really? Interesting, although are we talking about temperatures down to about -10deg C, or industrial ones? Given the suggestion that vaccine storage needed to be around -70.
That's only one of them. I think the Oxford one can make do in a normal fridge.
Agree. However, I can’t see the average surgery having the storage technology. And, as one of the commenters said, there’s got to be a time allowed to get the individual doses....... ?preloaded syringe ..... to get warm enough not to have a deleterious effect on the patient! Maintaining the cold chain will be difficult, although not impossible. Case as stated, not easy, but not impossible, and, of course, very welcome.
The U.K. government was the largest global buyer of fridges earlier in the year
Can confirm that this news about vaccine is circulation widely officially within the NHS. Although you presumably need some pretty powerful fridges to store a vaccine at -70 degrees.
Standard -80 at any uni biology/ pharmacology dept.
Liquid nitrogen dewars go down to -190 degrees!
We got to play with the liquid nitrogen in second year experiments.
Agree. However, I can’t see the average surgery having the storage technology. And, as one of the commenters said, there’s got to be a time allowed to get the individual doses....... ?preloaded syringe ..... to get warm enough not to have a deleterious effect on the patient! Maintaining the cold chain will be difficult, although not impossible. Case as stated, not easy, but not impossible, and, of course, very welcome.
The U.K. government was the largest global buyer of fridges earlier in the year
Can confirm that this news about vaccine is circulation widely officially within the NHS. Although you presumably need some pretty powerful fridges to store a vaccine at -70 degrees.
Standard -80 at any uni biology/ pharmacology dept.
Fully in use though. Need to replace storage. Don’t think hospital fridges go down that low, either; sure the vaccine ones we had didn’t go down that low.
Actually a useful thing from CNN...93% had decided who to vote for a week before.
All over....Biden POTUS.
Why does that suggest a Biden win (sorry for being dim)?
He has huge consistent leads in the polls. The exit poll is saying no "swing back" / people getting to the voting booth and thinking hmmmm I don't like Trump, put nose peg on.
4 years ago 4x the amount of people said they decided in the last week. I think what that was, ahhh f##k it, how bad can Trump be.
Agree. However, I can’t see the average surgery having the storage technology. And, as one of the commenters said, there’s got to be a time allowed to get the individual doses....... ?preloaded syringe ..... to get warm enough not to have a deleterious effect on the patient! Maintaining the cold chain will be difficult, although not impossible. Case as stated, not easy, but not impossible, and, of course, very welcome.
The U.K. government was the largest global buyer of fridges earlier in the year
Can confirm that this news about vaccine is circulation widely officially within the NHS. Although you presumably need some pretty powerful fridges to store a vaccine at -70 degrees.
Standard -80 at any uni biology/ pharmacology dept.
Yep, any standard diagnostic or research lab will have both -25 and -85 freezers.
Took a slight bloodbath - small by PB standards - in 2017 and have stayed away since :-) .
I bought my Fridge4Life a couple of years ago. Don't need one.
Have spent the last half hour listening to the interesting life of one John Paul Jones, an early US Navy American pirate who has a US Navy Destroyer named after him (featured in the film Battleship), and sailed away the Victor of the Battle of Flamborough Head when his was the ship that sunk.
Agree. However, I can’t see the average surgery having the storage technology. And, as one of the commenters said, there’s got to be a time allowed to get the individual doses....... ?preloaded syringe ..... to get warm enough not to have a deleterious effect on the patient! Maintaining the cold chain will be difficult, although not impossible. Case as stated, not easy, but not impossible, and, of course, very welcome.
The U.K. government was the largest global buyer of fridges earlier in the year
Can confirm that this news about vaccine is circulation widely officially within the NHS. Although you presumably need some pretty powerful fridges to store a vaccine at -70 degrees.
Standard -80 at any uni biology/ pharmacology dept.
Liquid nitrogen dewars go down to -190 degrees!
We got to play with the liquid nitrogen in second year experiments.
Having used it for 25 years the novelty wears off. Still like making snow in summer (ice formed on transfer hoses) though...
Surprised David Icke lasted so long. There have been people far less nuts who have had the ban hammer. When they nuked Alex Jones, I am surprised they didn't also ban him.
Agree. However, I can’t see the average surgery having the storage technology. And, as one of the commenters said, there’s got to be a time allowed to get the individual doses....... ?preloaded syringe ..... to get warm enough not to have a deleterious effect on the patient! Maintaining the cold chain will be difficult, although not impossible. Case as stated, not easy, but not impossible, and, of course, very welcome.
The U.K. government was the largest global buyer of fridges earlier in the year
Can confirm that this news about vaccine is circulation widely officially within the NHS. Although you presumably need some pretty powerful fridges to store a vaccine at -70 degrees.
Standard -80 at any uni biology/ pharmacology dept.
Fully in use though. Need to replace storage. Don’t think hospital fridges go down that low, either; sure the vaccine ones we had didn’t go down that low.
As was mentioned above dry ice will get you down to 195K (-78 degrees C for those who don't like SI units) and that is fairly easy to get hold of.
So after News at Ten, I was feeling jubilant, much like I did when I went to bed on EU Referendum night, just after Farage had conceded. When I woke up at six the following morning we had left the EU. Now Mr Ed is telling me Trump is smashing it out of the park. So four more years of Trump?
Paper review on BBC News Channel are speculating that the polls are wrong, like GE 1992!
Agree. However, I can’t see the average surgery having the storage technology. And, as one of the commenters said, there’s got to be a time allowed to get the individual doses....... ?preloaded syringe ..... to get warm enough not to have a deleterious effect on the patient! Maintaining the cold chain will be difficult, although not impossible. Case as stated, not easy, but not impossible, and, of course, very welcome.
The U.K. government was the largest global buyer of fridges earlier in the year
Can confirm that this news about vaccine is circulation widely officially within the NHS. Although you presumably need some pretty powerful fridges to store a vaccine at -70 degrees.
Standard -80 at any uni biology/ pharmacology dept.
Liquid nitrogen dewars go down to -190 degrees!
We got to play with the liquid nitrogen in second year experiments.
Having used it for 25 years the novelty wears off. Still like making snow in summer (ice formed on transfer hoses) though...
Did you ever play "how long can I stick my finger in the liquid nitrogen"? Probably just as well we aren't allowed to use it in schools...
Its the questions...they are overwhelmingly against the standard trump positions....like massively...illegal immigrants, deportation vs pathway to legal status, 72% for the later.
Agree. However, I can’t see the average surgery having the storage technology. And, as one of the commenters said, there’s got to be a time allowed to get the individual doses....... ?preloaded syringe ..... to get warm enough not to have a deleterious effect on the patient! Maintaining the cold chain will be difficult, although not impossible. Case as stated, not easy, but not impossible, and, of course, very welcome.
The U.K. government was the largest global buyer of fridges earlier in the year
Could just be for Boris to hide in though, whenever the need arises.
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Dungeons available at Auchentennach Castle ..
All over....Biden POTUS.
https://edition.cnn.com/election/2020/results/president
One of the reasons why exit polls have been so excellent in this country in recent years is because by consistently targeting the same polling stations, they can effectively allow for voters lying or certain voters not responding - on the basis that the errors will be consistent from election to election.
That’s what it boils down to. What a mad old bastard.
4 years ago 4x the amount of people said they decided in the last week. I think what that was, ahhh f##k it, how bad can Trump be.
6k ahead on registered voters compared to a final position of all voters of 9k in 2016
There are surely more Rep voting Biden than Dems voting Trump and I cannot believe the NPAs break for Trump.
Mr ED?
Just gained net +400 in last 10 mins.
That compares to net +10,000 today as a whole.
I'll be sitting this one out but have a fun night everyone
Took a slight bloodbath - small by PB standards - in 2017 and have stayed away since :-) .
I bought my Fridge4Life a couple of years ago. Don't need one.
Have spent the last half hour listening to the interesting life of one John Paul Jones, an early US Navy American pirate who has a US Navy Destroyer named after him (featured in the film Battleship), and sailed away the Victor of the Battle of Flamborough Head when his was the ship that sunk.
Paper review on BBC News Channel are speculating that the polls are wrong, like GE 1992!
Good night!
Vitginia
Color
Maine
Nevada
Minnes
New H
Mich
Wisc
Pens
Florida
NC
Arizona
Georg
Ohio
Texas
Iowa
There was a late swing in the big surprise election of 1948.
https://twitter.com/business/status/796067017308667904
Probably just as well we aren't allowed to use it in schools...
https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1323757953070047232
Night all!
Lol