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  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,594
    edited November 2020
    Damn — Betfair Sports have a £25 limit on their 269-269 tie market, and there doesn't seem to be a market on Exchange.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,103
    edited November 2020
    Change to government run healthcare, is something like 70% for.

    Looking at Fox News exit poll numbers, seems like America wants radical change, not just get rid of Trump.
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    NBC are reporting potential 'good news' for Ossoff ...

    Just saying. I have a vested interest :smiley:
  • Mal557Mal557 Posts: 662

    Pulpstar said:

    Fuck knows. Fox Exit polls are great for Biden, CNN for Trump.

    The pessimism comment about FL from DEM HQ suggests that the state will be held by Trump.
    or was dropped in to motivate those yet to vote? Were still 2 or 3 hours left. Dampen expectations?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868
    By those Fox questions Trump is going to lose bigly.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951

    What channel should I be watching. Can somebody link a good one?

    Not Fox, unless you like endless ads for prescription drugs and the talking heads sharing animal videos.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Andy_JS said:

    alex_ said:

    Fox Exit polls are awful for Trump.

    Have they been released already?
    Its the questions...they are overwhelmingly against the standard trump positions....like massively...illegal immigrants, deportation vs pathway to legal status, 72% for the later.
    https://twitter.com/existentialfish/status/1323752032000450570?s=19
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868

    Change to government run healthcare, is something like 70% for.

    Looking at Fox News exit poll numbers, seems like America wants radical change, not just get rid of Trump.

    Corona bill shock for a lot of people and they talk to their friends.
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,494
    based on that Biden needs a 8%ish lead in the NPA votes (54%46%)
  • MaxPB said:

    By those Fox questions Trump is going to lose bigly.

    Pounding like a dockside hooker.
  • Change to government run healthcare, is something like 70% for.

    Looking at Fox News exit poll numbers, seems like America wants radical change, not just get rid of Trump.

    It's the start of a 2020s leftist wave, starting I hope in the USA and ending here in 2024. We're coming back!
  • NBC are reporting potential 'good news' for Ossoff ...

    Just saying. I have a vested interest :smiley:

    Was he the guy in the polling booth earlier?
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    There was one that had COVID response as 41% single most important factor and 44% important factor.
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    I'm enjoying NBC a lot. It seems a lot more low key but also a lot less annoying.
  • Mal557Mal557 Posts: 662
    As I have no real clue whats going to happen in FL I've decided to use this tweet from Wasserman as my gold standard tweet on how Florida will vote based on the Sumpter result which should be in pretty quickly after polls close.
    https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1323739073912147968
    My money is on the 'Florida will be Florida' % So wont tell me anything :)
  • alex_ said:

    Charles said:

    Agree. However, I can’t see the average surgery having the storage technology. And, as one of the commenters said, there’s got to be a time allowed to get the individual doses....... ?preloaded syringe ..... to get warm enough not to have a deleterious effect on the patient!
    Maintaining the cold chain will be difficult, although not impossible.
    Case as stated, not easy, but not impossible, and, of course, very welcome.
    The U.K. government was the largest global buyer of fridges earlier in the year
    Can confirm that this news about vaccine is circulation widely officially within the NHS. Although you presumably need some pretty powerful fridges to store a vaccine at -70 degrees.
    Standard -80 at any uni biology/ pharmacology dept.
    Liquid nitrogen dewars go down to -190 degrees!
    We got to play with the liquid nitrogen in second year experiments.
    Having used it for 25 years the novelty wears off. Still like making snow in summer (ice formed on transfer hoses) though...
    Did you ever play "how long can I stick my finger in the liquid nitrogen"?
    Probably just as well we aren't allowed to use it in schools...
    That's reminded me of a story my son tells of a party he went to as teenager. A dare went wrong and one of his friends got erm "part of himself" stuck to the freezer.
  • NBC are reporting potential 'good news' for Ossoff ...

    Just saying. I have a vested interest :smiley:

    Was he the guy in the polling booth earlier?
    No, that was Tossoff.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868
    spudgfsh said:

    based on that Biden needs a 8%ish lead in the NPA votes (54%46%)
    Based on no Republicans voting for Biden. I think there will be a lot of registered Republican seniors in Florida who have switched to Biden because of the virus stuff.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,103
    edited November 2020
    Who exactly have they polled? The numbers seems way more radical than I would expect, even with Trump on the ticket....or maybe Trump has made them far more radical.

    I am not sure Biden is radical enough.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,594

    What channel should I be watching. Can somebody link a good one?

    I'm planning to be switching between BBC, ITV, Sky News, CNN, Fox News, ABC News, NBC News, CBS News. I don't know which is best.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,908
    MaxPB said:

    By those Fox questions Trump is going to lose bigly.

    Logically yes, but a large number of people are so partisan that they will vote for a candidate or party despite disagreeing with much of what they stand for.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    alex_ said:

    Fox Exit polls are awful for Trump.

    This one is shocking

    https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1323757953070047232
    Wow.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935

    Change to government run healthcare, is something like 70% for.

    Looking at Fox News exit poll numbers, seems like America wants radical change, not just get rid of Trump.

    It's the start of a 2020s leftist wave, starting I hope in the USA and ending here in 2024. We're coming back!
    Biden is leftist?
  • Andy_JS said:

    Damn — Betfair Sports have a £25 limit on their 269-269 tie market, and there doesn't seem to be a market on Exchange.

    Don't know why you're wasting your time with the Sportsbook when you can get 40/1 with Ladbrokes.

    66/1 the other day.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    alex_ said:

    Fox Exit polls are awful for Trump.

    This one is shocking

    https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1323757953070047232
    Not really, the GOP is split between people who want a pathway to citizenship (your Reagan and your Bush types) and then the other portion of the party.

    Really racist policies is a minority American position, they just form a very large proportion of one of the parties.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    Are the Biden fans feeling more relaxed now?

    This one isn't.
    Me neither. May lose Florida I fear, not that it's vital.
    Agreed, but it would be lovely to kill it off.
  • Was the Fox poll done by SAGE modellers?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205
    US Voters are completely incoherent in their views.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Chris said:

    Charles said:

    Chris said:

    rcs1000 said:

    None of the vaccine trials have been unblinded yet. This is good news, but until enough people in the placebo group get CV19, there is no official news.

    Statistically, we're any day now for Pfizer/BioNTech, and probably a month away for AZN/Oxford and Moderna.
    Hopefully not a month away from the completion of the British AstraZeneca trial. The implication seems to be that the UK may authorise the Oxford vaccine on the basis of the British trial without waiting for the results of the US trial.
    They are the same trial, but I guess you could close early if you had hit sufficient patients to get statistical significance
    Why do you think they're the same trial?
    Because that’s the standard approach between the US and Europe these days. Single trial with recruitment from 3 geographies.
  • RobD said:

    Change to government run healthcare, is something like 70% for.

    Looking at Fox News exit poll numbers, seems like America wants radical change, not just get rid of Trump.

    It's the start of a 2020s leftist wave, starting I hope in the USA and ending here in 2024. We're coming back!
    Biden is leftist?
    He's got some leftist policies in there and compared to Trump he's a leftist absolutely.
  • Pulpstar said:

    US Voters are completely incoherent in their views.

    Well we knew that
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,700
    Pulpstar said:

    Voters are completely incoherent in their views.

    FIFY.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,065

    This to me seems the real crucial stat among all the other nonsense.
    Yep.

    There was a late swing in the big surprise election of 1948.
    There was also a late swing to Trump four years ago, two weeks before the election. Then it stopped with about one week to go, at least in the polls.
  • Is @HYUFD here? What about @MrEd? Hope they'll be joining us tonight
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935

    RobD said:

    Change to government run healthcare, is something like 70% for.

    Looking at Fox News exit poll numbers, seems like America wants radical change, not just get rid of Trump.

    It's the start of a 2020s leftist wave, starting I hope in the USA and ending here in 2024. We're coming back!
    Biden is leftist?
    He's got some leftist policies in there and compared to Trump he's a leftist absolutely.
    If politicians like Biden were elected in European countries I don't think people would be calling it a leftist wave.
  • Mal557Mal557 Posts: 662
    MaxPB said:

    spudgfsh said:

    based on that Biden needs a 8%ish lead in the NPA votes (54%46%)
    Based on no Republicans voting for Biden. I think there will be a lot of registered Republican seniors in Florida who have switched to Biden because of the virus stuff.
    Wasn't the figure quoted earlier from a poll showing Biden +14 with NPAs?
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,494
    MaxPB said:

    spudgfsh said:

    based on that Biden needs a 8%ish lead in the NPA votes (54%46%)
    Based on no Republicans voting for Biden. I think there will be a lot of registered Republican seniors in Florida who have switched to Biden because of the virus stuff.
    That is true. there's a good chance that more Reps vote Dem than Dems voting Rep
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Mal557 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Fuck knows. Fox Exit polls are great for Biden, CNN for Trump.

    The pessimism comment about FL from DEM HQ suggests that the state will be held by Trump.
    or was dropped in to motivate those yet to vote? Were still 2 or 3 hours left. Dampen expectations?
    Seems too clever-clever to me, but maybe I guess.
  • RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Change to government run healthcare, is something like 70% for.

    Looking at Fox News exit poll numbers, seems like America wants radical change, not just get rid of Trump.

    It's the start of a 2020s leftist wave, starting I hope in the USA and ending here in 2024. We're coming back!
    Biden is leftist?
    He's got some leftist policies in there and compared to Trump he's a leftist absolutely.
    If politicians like Biden were elected in European countries I don't think people would be calling it a leftist wave.
    He is the rejection of right wing populism. I am under no doubt if he wins this starts leftism returning in Europe.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,594
    edited November 2020
    These odds are interesting if you think Biden's going to get between 270 and 329 electoral votes.

    Biden Electoral Votes:

    (a) 270-299: 8.6 / 9
    (b) 300-329: 7.8 / 8.2

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.170917778
  • spudgfsh said:

    MaxPB said:

    spudgfsh said:

    based on that Biden needs a 8%ish lead in the NPA votes (54%46%)
    Based on no Republicans voting for Biden. I think there will be a lot of registered Republican seniors in Florida who have switched to Biden because of the virus stuff.
    That is true. there's a good chance that more Reps vote Dem than Dems voting Rep
    Though less in Florida than elsewhere as there are still a few Dixiecrats in the panhandle.
  • alex_ said:

    Charles said:

    Agree. However, I can’t see the average surgery having the storage technology. And, as one of the commenters said, there’s got to be a time allowed to get the individual doses....... ?preloaded syringe ..... to get warm enough not to have a deleterious effect on the patient!
    Maintaining the cold chain will be difficult, although not impossible.
    Case as stated, not easy, but not impossible, and, of course, very welcome.
    The U.K. government was the largest global buyer of fridges earlier in the year
    Can confirm that this news about vaccine is circulation widely officially within the NHS. Although you presumably need some pretty powerful fridges to store a vaccine at -70 degrees.
    Standard -80 at any uni biology/ pharmacology dept.
    Liquid nitrogen dewars go down to -190 degrees!
    We got to play with the liquid nitrogen in second year experiments.
    Having used it for 25 years the novelty wears off. Still like making snow in summer (ice formed on transfer hoses) though...
    Did you ever play "how long can I stick my finger in the liquid nitrogen"?
    Probably just as well we aren't allowed to use it in schools...
    That's reminded me of a story my son tells of a party he went to as teenager. A dare went wrong and one of his friends got erm "part of himself" stuck to the freezer.
    Ouch...
  • NeilVWNeilVW Posts: 732
    edited November 2020
    How are people watching Fox in the UK (assuming they are)? It would be amusing to see the Fox anchors rationalise these results, or rubbish their own poll.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,103
    edited November 2020
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Change to government run healthcare, is something like 70% for.

    Looking at Fox News exit poll numbers, seems like America wants radical change, not just get rid of Trump.

    It's the start of a 2020s leftist wave, starting I hope in the USA and ending here in 2024. We're coming back!
    Biden is leftist?
    He's got some leftist policies in there and compared to Trump he's a leftist absolutely.
    If politicians like Biden were elected in European countries I don't think people would be calling it a leftist wave.
    Biden isn't, but i would say his platform is a lot more left wing. Massive increase in minimum wage, phase out oil industry, ban paid bails, legalize weed...all Sanders stuff.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    edited November 2020

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Change to government run healthcare, is something like 70% for.

    Looking at Fox News exit poll numbers, seems like America wants radical change, not just get rid of Trump.

    It's the start of a 2020s leftist wave, starting I hope in the USA and ending here in 2024. We're coming back!
    Biden is leftist?
    He's got some leftist policies in there and compared to Trump he's a leftist absolutely.
    If politicians like Biden were elected in European countries I don't think people would be calling it a leftist wave.
    He is the rejection of right wing populism. I am under no doubt if he wins this starts leftism returning in Europe.
    I don't see how you can be so assured of that to be honest.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    edited November 2020

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Change to government run healthcare, is something like 70% for.

    Looking at Fox News exit poll numbers, seems like America wants radical change, not just get rid of Trump.

    It's the start of a 2020s leftist wave, starting I hope in the USA and ending here in 2024. We're coming back!
    Biden is leftist?
    He's got some leftist policies in there and compared to Trump he's a leftist absolutely.
    If politicians like Biden were elected in European countries I don't think people would be calling it a leftist wave.
    He is the rejection of right wing populism. I am under no doubt if he wins this starts leftism returning in Europe.
    Don't forget he was the anti-leftism candidate in the Dem primary. What he potentially represents is a rejection of populism and polarisation, not particularly left/rightism.
  • RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Change to government run healthcare, is something like 70% for.

    Looking at Fox News exit poll numbers, seems like America wants radical change, not just get rid of Trump.

    It's the start of a 2020s leftist wave, starting I hope in the USA and ending here in 2024. We're coming back!
    Biden is leftist?
    He's got some leftist policies in there and compared to Trump he's a leftist absolutely.
    If politicians like Biden were elected in European countries I don't think people would be calling it a leftist wave.
    He is the rejection of right wing populism. I am under no doubt if he wins this starts leftism returning in Europe.
    I don't see how you can be so assured of that to be honest.
    I hope it's the start of it, I don't know for sure. But I think with Arden winning and Labour coming back here, something is happening in the world.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,751
    edited November 2020
    Isn't that exactly in line with Nate Silver's estimate of a 2% "raw" Republican lead by the end of the day? He reckoned they would need 3-3.5%.

    Obviously if the non-party votes split in line with the national ratings, it would cancel that lead out.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Sounds like FL is going to be an absolute nail-biter.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    If thats 67% of eligible voters its 160m


    If its 67% of Registered voters its only 142m
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Change to government run healthcare, is something like 70% for.

    Looking at Fox News exit poll numbers, seems like America wants radical change, not just get rid of Trump.

    It's the start of a 2020s leftist wave, starting I hope in the USA and ending here in 2024. We're coming back!
    Biden is leftist?
    He's got some leftist policies in there and compared to Trump he's a leftist absolutely.
    If politicians like Biden were elected in European countries I don't think people would be calling it a leftist wave.
    He is the rejection of right wing populism. I am under no doubt if he wins this starts leftism returning in Europe.
    I don't see how you can be so assured of that to be honest.
    I hope it's the start of it, I don't know for sure. But I think with Arden winning and Labour coming back here, something is happening in the world.
    You just said that you were under no doubt!
  • NeilVW said:

    How are people watching Fox in the UK (assuming they are)? It would be amusing to see the Fox anchors rationalise these results, or rubbish their own poll.

    They are totally ignoring it, showing viral animal videos and talking about dog parks.
  • Frost forecast for tonight.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Be good to get some internals from the Trump camp.

    There was that stuff earlier about their being pessimistic on GOTV on PA.
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,494
    I watched Norwich V Millwall on Ifollow earlier and it finished 0-0. I can't decide which was the dullest two hours. that or the last two of CNN
  • Mal557Mal557 Posts: 662
    Over performing in NC and GA sounds good, providing they mean against the polls. As opposed to 4 years ago :)
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    NeilVW said:

    How are people watching Fox in the UK (assuming they are)? It would be amusing to see the Fox anchors rationalise these results, or rubbish their own poll.

    Just go to the website - there's a live stream.

  • RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Change to government run healthcare, is something like 70% for.

    Looking at Fox News exit poll numbers, seems like America wants radical change, not just get rid of Trump.

    It's the start of a 2020s leftist wave, starting I hope in the USA and ending here in 2024. We're coming back!
    Biden is leftist?
    He's got some leftist policies in there and compared to Trump he's a leftist absolutely.
    If politicians like Biden were elected in European countries I don't think people would be calling it a leftist wave.
    He is the rejection of right wing populism. I am under no doubt if he wins this starts leftism returning in Europe.
    I don't see how you can be so assured of that to be honest.
    I hope it's the start of it, I don't know for sure. But I think with Arden winning and Labour coming back here, something is happening in the world.
    You just said that you were under no doubt!
    I'm under no doubt it's the start of a rejection of right-wing populism.
  • YokesYokes Posts: 1,335
    Independents/NPA are all you need to watch and everything so far suggests they are breaking for Biden.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,908
    edited November 2020
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Change to government run healthcare, is something like 70% for.

    Looking at Fox News exit poll numbers, seems like America wants radical change, not just get rid of Trump.

    It's the start of a 2020s leftist wave, starting I hope in the USA and ending here in 2024. We're coming back!
    Biden is leftist?
    He's got some leftist policies in there and compared to Trump he's a leftist absolutely.
    If politicians like Biden were elected in European countries I don't think people would be calling it a leftist wave.
    If Biden was British the left here would call him a fascist.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,533

    RobD said:

    Change to government run healthcare, is something like 70% for.

    Looking at Fox News exit poll numbers, seems like America wants radical change, not just get rid of Trump.

    It's the start of a 2020s leftist wave, starting I hope in the USA and ending here in 2024. We're coming back!
    Biden is leftist?
    He's got some leftist policies in there and compared to Trump he's a leftist absolutely.
    Genghis Khan is a leftist copmpared with Trump...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Change to government run healthcare, is something like 70% for.

    Looking at Fox News exit poll numbers, seems like America wants radical change, not just get rid of Trump.

    It's the start of a 2020s leftist wave, starting I hope in the USA and ending here in 2024. We're coming back!
    Biden is leftist?
    He's got some leftist policies in there and compared to Trump he's a leftist absolutely.
    If politicians like Biden were elected in European countries I don't think people would be calling it a leftist wave.
    He is the rejection of right wing populism. I am under no doubt if he wins this starts leftism returning in Europe.
    I don't see how you can be so assured of that to be honest.
    I hope it's the start of it, I don't know for sure. But I think with Arden winning and Labour coming back here, something is happening in the world.
    You just said that you were under no doubt!
    I'm under no doubt it's the start of a rejection of right-wing populism.
    In the previous comment you said that you hope it's the start, but you don't know for sure. :D
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,103
    edited November 2020

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Change to government run healthcare, is something like 70% for.

    Looking at Fox News exit poll numbers, seems like America wants radical change, not just get rid of Trump.

    It's the start of a 2020s leftist wave, starting I hope in the USA and ending here in 2024. We're coming back!
    Biden is leftist?
    He's got some leftist policies in there and compared to Trump he's a leftist absolutely.
    If politicians like Biden were elected in European countries I don't think people would be calling it a leftist wave.
    He is the rejection of right wing populism. I am under no doubt if he wins this starts leftism returning in Europe.
    I don't see how you can be so assured of that to be honest.
    I hope it's the start of it, I don't know for sure. But I think with Arden winning and Labour coming back here, something is happening in the world.
    I think you are extrapolating those who handled covid well e.g. labour won state election recently in Australia more easily than normally, but nationally the right leaning parties are well ahead in the polls...both regional and national governments are credited with a very good response to COVID.
  • RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Change to government run healthcare, is something like 70% for.

    Looking at Fox News exit poll numbers, seems like America wants radical change, not just get rid of Trump.

    It's the start of a 2020s leftist wave, starting I hope in the USA and ending here in 2024. We're coming back!
    Biden is leftist?
    He's got some leftist policies in there and compared to Trump he's a leftist absolutely.
    If politicians like Biden were elected in European countries I don't think people would be calling it a leftist wave.
    He is the rejection of right wing populism. I am under no doubt if he wins this starts leftism returning in Europe.
    I don't see how you can be so assured of that to be honest.
    I hope it's the start of it, I don't know for sure. But I think with Arden winning and Labour coming back here, something is happening in the world.
    You just said that you were under no doubt!
    I'm under no doubt it's the start of a rejection of right-wing populism.
    In the previous comment you said that you hope it's the start, but you don't know for sure. :D
    Dude I'm drunk as hell
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    Go Biden!
  • Mal557Mal557 Posts: 662

    Be good to get some internals from the Trump camp.

    There was that stuff earlier about their being pessimistic on GOTV on PA.

    I would expect some positive noises from the Trump camp fairly early if their internals are looking good.
  • booze!
  • Biden campaign saying FL is a "challenge". They are ramping up the GOTV in southern counties - CNN
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,459

    alex_ said:

    Charles said:

    Agree. However, I can’t see the average surgery having the storage technology. And, as one of the commenters said, there’s got to be a time allowed to get the individual doses....... ?preloaded syringe ..... to get warm enough not to have a deleterious effect on the patient!
    Maintaining the cold chain will be difficult, although not impossible.
    Case as stated, not easy, but not impossible, and, of course, very welcome.
    The U.K. government was the largest global buyer of fridges earlier in the year
    Can confirm that this news about vaccine is circulation widely officially within the NHS. Although you presumably need some pretty powerful fridges to store a vaccine at -70 degrees.
    Standard -80 at any uni biology/ pharmacology dept.
    Liquid nitrogen dewars go down to -190 degrees!
    We got to play with the liquid nitrogen in second year experiments.
    Having used it for 25 years the novelty wears off. Still like making snow in summer (ice formed on transfer hoses) though...
    Did you ever play "how long can I stick my finger in the liquid nitrogen"?
    Probably just as well we aren't allowed to use it in schools...
    Nope but very well aware of what you can and can’t get away with...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Change to government run healthcare, is something like 70% for.

    Looking at Fox News exit poll numbers, seems like America wants radical change, not just get rid of Trump.

    It's the start of a 2020s leftist wave, starting I hope in the USA and ending here in 2024. We're coming back!
    Biden is leftist?
    He's got some leftist policies in there and compared to Trump he's a leftist absolutely.
    If politicians like Biden were elected in European countries I don't think people would be calling it a leftist wave.
    He is the rejection of right wing populism. I am under no doubt if he wins this starts leftism returning in Europe.
    I don't see how you can be so assured of that to be honest.
    I hope it's the start of it, I don't know for sure. But I think with Arden winning and Labour coming back here, something is happening in the world.
    You just said that you were under no doubt!
    I'm under no doubt it's the start of a rejection of right-wing populism.
    In the previous comment you said that you hope it's the start, but you don't know for sure. :D
    Dude I'm drunk as hell
    Rookie mistake. You're never going to last the night.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676

    Frost forecast for tonight.

    Itll be a cold night before the voters give Trump a 2nd term!!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,129

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Change to government run healthcare, is something like 70% for.

    Looking at Fox News exit poll numbers, seems like America wants radical change, not just get rid of Trump.

    It's the start of a 2020s leftist wave, starting I hope in the USA and ending here in 2024. We're coming back!
    Biden is leftist?
    He's got some leftist policies in there and compared to Trump he's a leftist absolutely.
    If politicians like Biden were elected in European countries I don't think people would be calling it a leftist wave.
    He is the rejection of right wing populism. I am under no doubt if he wins this starts leftism returning in Europe.
    Politics in different countries don't impact one another like that. A shift leftwards in the UK or other places in Europe will happen due to trends closer to home, I am sure.

    I mean, the Spanish socialists had a big increase in the first of the 2019 elections, so why does leftism have to wait for Biden to return?
  • kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Change to government run healthcare, is something like 70% for.

    Looking at Fox News exit poll numbers, seems like America wants radical change, not just get rid of Trump.

    It's the start of a 2020s leftist wave, starting I hope in the USA and ending here in 2024. We're coming back!
    Biden is leftist?
    He's got some leftist policies in there and compared to Trump he's a leftist absolutely.
    If politicians like Biden were elected in European countries I don't think people would be calling it a leftist wave.
    He is the rejection of right wing populism. I am under no doubt if he wins this starts leftism returning in Europe.
    Politics in different countries don't impact one another like that. A shift leftwards in the UK or other places in Europe will happen due to trends closer to home, I am sure.

    I mean, the Spanish socialists had a big increase in the first of the 2019 elections, so why does leftism have to wait for Biden to return?
    Another example of it, thanks for agreeing buddy
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,065

    Frost forecast for tonight.

    Frost Nixon?
  • RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Change to government run healthcare, is something like 70% for.

    Looking at Fox News exit poll numbers, seems like America wants radical change, not just get rid of Trump.

    It's the start of a 2020s leftist wave, starting I hope in the USA and ending here in 2024. We're coming back!
    Biden is leftist?
    He's got some leftist policies in there and compared to Trump he's a leftist absolutely.
    If politicians like Biden were elected in European countries I don't think people would be calling it a leftist wave.
    He is the rejection of right wing populism. I am under no doubt if he wins this starts leftism returning in Europe.
    I don't see how you can be so assured of that to be honest.
    I hope it's the start of it, I don't know for sure. But I think with Arden winning and Labour coming back here, something is happening in the world.
    You just said that you were under no doubt!
    I'm under no doubt it's the start of a rejection of right-wing populism.
    In the previous comment you said that you hope it's the start, but you don't know for sure. :D
    Dude I'm drunk as hell
    Rookie mistake. You're never going to last the night.
    I will
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,129

    RobD said:

    Change to government run healthcare, is something like 70% for.

    Looking at Fox News exit poll numbers, seems like America wants radical change, not just get rid of Trump.

    It's the start of a 2020s leftist wave, starting I hope in the USA and ending here in 2024. We're coming back!
    Biden is leftist?
    He's got some leftist policies in there and compared to Trump he's a leftist absolutely.
    Genghis Khan is a leftist compared with Trump...
    Well in fairness, if one can discount the genocidal brutality, I don't personally know whether Mr Khan's policy platform was left or right.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,533
    CNN Breaking News: "53% of voters are female..."
  • YokesYokes Posts: 1,335

    RobD said:

    Change to government run healthcare, is something like 70% for.

    Looking at Fox News exit poll numbers, seems like America wants radical change, not just get rid of Trump.

    It's the start of a 2020s leftist wave, starting I hope in the USA and ending here in 2024. We're coming back!
    Biden is leftist?
    He's got some leftist policies in there and compared to Trump he's a leftist absolutely.
    Genghis Khan is a leftist copmpared with Trump...
    That comparison makes no sense.
  • CNN Breaking News: "53% of voters are female..."

    White vote down on 2016 - CNN
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    edited November 2020
    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Change to government run healthcare, is something like 70% for.

    Looking at Fox News exit poll numbers, seems like America wants radical change, not just get rid of Trump.

    It's the start of a 2020s leftist wave, starting I hope in the USA and ending here in 2024. We're coming back!
    Biden is leftist?
    He's got some leftist policies in there and compared to Trump he's a leftist absolutely.
    If politicians like Biden were elected in European countries I don't think people would be calling it a leftist wave.
    He is the rejection of right wing populism. I am under no doubt if he wins this starts leftism returning in Europe.
    Politics in different countries don't impact one another like that. A shift leftwards in the UK or other places in Europe will happen due to trends closer to home, I am sure.

    I mean, the Spanish socialists had a big increase in the first of the 2019 elections, so why does leftism have to wait for Biden to return?
    If Biden wins the biggest impact here will be on Brexit and Boris Johnson especially, including the Good Friday Agreement. For the UK, this time is massive.
  • RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Change to government run healthcare, is something like 70% for.

    Looking at Fox News exit poll numbers, seems like America wants radical change, not just get rid of Trump.

    It's the start of a 2020s leftist wave, starting I hope in the USA and ending here in 2024. We're coming back!
    Biden is leftist?
    He's got some leftist policies in there and compared to Trump he's a leftist absolutely.
    If politicians like Biden were elected in European countries I don't think people would be calling it a leftist wave.
    He is the rejection of right wing populism. I am under no doubt if he wins this starts leftism returning in Europe.
    I don't see how you can be so assured of that to be honest.
    I hope it's the start of it, I don't know for sure. But I think with Arden winning and Labour coming back here, something is happening in the world.
    You just said that you were under no doubt!
    If Biden wins it will not be an indication of a desire for "leftist" politics, more a rejection of divisive childish populism that is personified by Trump and to a slightly lesser extent, Boris Johnson. It will be a desire to return to having grown ups in charge. The Tories need to ditch Johnson and his lightweight entourage pdq.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,103
    edited November 2020
    Fox News is more bareable than CNN, as no Hannity etc, its just straight up reporting. Where as CNN, it is usual partisan talking heads.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    spudgfsh said:

    I watched Norwich V Millwall on Ifollow earlier and it finished 0-0. I can't decide which was the dullest two hours. that or the last two of CNN


    Arf!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,209

    CNN Breaking News: "53% of voters are female..."

    If that's an "on the day number", then it's disastrous for Trump. If it's "all in", then it's amazing.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    CNN Breaking News: "53% of voters are female..."

    That would be down on 2016
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    rcs1000 said:

    CNN Breaking News: "53% of voters are female..."

    If that's an "on the day number", then it's disastrous for Trump. If it's "all in", then it's amazing.
    I think it's all voters, not just those on the day.
  • So the voters are less white than 2016....
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Have to say the demographics shown in the CNN exit poll do look good for Biden.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,103
    edited November 2020
    Trump doesn't look like a man who thinks he is even with a chance. He looked totally defeated when he did his media piece at campaign HQ.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    Of course, why would any Trump voter talk to a CNN exit pollster. :smiley:
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited November 2020
    Silver started the day by saying people shouldn't spend any time monitoring and analysing live Florida turnout data
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    CNN reporter in Biden camp says their entire focus is getting their vote out in South Florida in the final hour.
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