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  • maaarsh
    maaarsh Posts: 3,602
    Poor Vernon's hurting tonight. This is a problem for all the parties apparently - the stupid electorate that is.
  • corporeal
    corporeal Posts: 2,549
    SeanT said:

    maaarsh said:

    Yorkshire result firms up Lab in 2nd.

    That is astonishing. First time a non Labour, non Tory party has won an election since the invention of the motor car.
    I wouldn't use that Mr T, it's not true by decades.
  • AveryLP
    AveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Slackbladder said:

    nigel4england said:

    Eagle woman says UKIP is a protest vote.

    They really do not understand what is happening.

    Thats weak... This goes beyond a protest vote
    It's a PROTEST vote.

  • Ave_it
    Ave_it Posts: 2,411
    Here is the Ave it reliable GE 2015 projection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Con 41% (343)
    Lab 27% (253)
    LD 10% (28)
    UKIP 11% (0)
    Little parties 11% NI 18 SNP 5 PC 3 (26)

    Conservative!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Ave_it said:

    LOL no LDs even in the land of retards SW!!!!!!!!

    Gibraltar??????

    Very surprised by the Gibraltar result. An arch-europhile vote? Really?
  • NickPalmer
    NickPalmer Posts: 21,724
    LibDems a bit unlucky in the SW to be pipped by the Greens.
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    The Greens now have 1 MEP, the LDs none, is it not Clegg who should now be arguing for his place in next year's debates rather than Nathalie Bennett? Farage must now clearly also have a spot
  • Alanbrooke
    Alanbrooke Posts: 25,926
    edited May 2014
    Why's Tim Farron wearing a purple kipper tie ? Is he about to defect ?
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    BBC said London was Lib Dem's last hope for an MEP - are they miscalculating South East region ?
  • Ave_it
    Ave_it Posts: 2,411
    NickPalmer said:

    LibDems a bit unlucky in the SW to be pipped by the Greens.

    These things happen!

  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2014
    Wales:

    Lab 206,332
    UKIP 201,983
    Con 127,742
    PC 111,864
    Green 33,275
    LD 28,930
    BNP 7,655
    Britain First 6,633
    Soc LP 4,459
    N02EU 2,803
    SP GB 1,384

    Labour hold first place in Wales by 4,349 votes.
  • maaarsh
    maaarsh Posts: 3,602
    Taff time
  • Next
    Next Posts: 826
    Why are my numbers different to the BBC?

    They have 12 9 8 1 

            Con     Lab     UKIP    LD     Green
    NE              2       1
    E       3       1       3
    EM      2       1       2
    Y&H     1       2       3
    SW      2       1       2              1
            ===     ===     ===     ===    ===
            8       7       11      0      1
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    Farron still playing the "electorate are wrong line". I feel it will not go well for him.
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    Lab 1% ahead of Con is pretty hopeless given UKIP votes will break more to Con than Lab.

    Implies Con would be ahead on votes in a GE today - with a year still to go.
  • Fenster
    Fenster Posts: 2,115
    corporeal said:

    SeanT said:

    maaarsh said:

    Yorkshire result firms up Lab in 2nd.

    That is astonishing. First time a non Labour, non Tory party has won an election since the invention of the motor car.
    I wouldn't use that Mr T, it's not true by decades.
    1906 was the last time, according to SKY.

  • Ave_it
    Ave_it Posts: 2,411
    Need the declaration in welsh.
  • GeoffM
    GeoffM Posts: 6,071
    AveryLP said:

    HYUFD said:

    LDs leading in...Gibraltar according to BBC, joke?

    GeoffM has been spending too much time on his yacht.

    It seems so! But I did also say a while back that the local newspaper The Chronic is absolutely in bed with the LibDem pox and has been laying it on thick with a yellow trowel for years.

    That's why I am so pleased to see the back of Watson. There will be a black border on the newspaper tomorrow but we'll feel the benefit very soon. Nobody will look back.
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Bloody daft to announce results in English, then Welsh. Who the hell speaks Welsh and not English?
  • marke09
    marke09 Posts: 926
    Wales - 1 con 1 Labour 1 PC 1 UKIP
  • david_herdson
    david_herdson Posts: 18,357
    kle4 said:

    maaarsh said:

    Where will the 7% Lib Dem rump go when they collapse in to nothing over the next 10 years?

    They've been reduced further than this in previous incarnations and survived to rebuild over many decades. I think it premature to assume they will disappear entirely, they will just have to readjust to being a much less ambitious in scope party.
    Not when there have been so many other alternatives around though.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    corporeal said:

    kle4 said:

    Green and LDs 11% in SW. Must have been close for that last MEP.

    6,000 votes.
    Commiserations. LDs have to reap the results of the public simply not liking the EU and so not supporting an unequivocal party of In (those unhappily In bettering representing their views), but it is unfortunate to see too many regions become accessible to a few parties only, though SW got on pretty well on that score still.
  • Carnyx
    Carnyx Posts: 44,654
    JBriskin said:

    Carnyx back!! Where's MalcolmG???

    Dunno but I'll be off to bed soon. I'm beginning to wonder if we need to wait for tomorrow pm and the Western Isles results, delayed because the Lewis and Harris folk are, with true Presbyterian principle, refusing to count polls on a Sunday: a work of neither necessity nor mercy (frustrating as it may be to PBers).

  • maaarsh
    maaarsh Posts: 3,602
    1 each in Wales, and another cock up
  • corporeal
    corporeal Posts: 2,549
    HYUFD said:

    The Greens now have 1 MEP, the LDs none, is it not Clegg who should now be arguing for his place in next year's debates rather than Nathalie Bennett? Farage must now clearly also have a spot

    Remind me, are these debates for a European election or General Election?
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,457
    No seat gain for UKIP in the SW. Was that a bit of a surprise?
  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,289
    Has anyone done the maths on whether AIFE has cost UKIP any seats so far?
  • Ave_it
    Ave_it Posts: 2,411
    LD 27,000 wales not like 1906 really it?!
  • Richard_Nabavi
    Richard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    david_herdson said:

    Indeed. It wasn't a mistake to try it; it was a mistake to cock it up.

    The timing was a big mistake (although Clegg may not have have much choice on that). The biggest effect of the debates was to start the Euro campaign several weeks early, giving UKIP a much longer period of dominating the political headlines than would otherwise have been the case,
  • JBriskin
    JBriskin Posts: 2,380
    edited May 2014
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Bloody daft to announce results in English, then Welsh. Who the hell speaks Welsh and not English?

    Apparently they have another language in Scotland as well Morris - I've never F-ing heard it.

  • Slackbladder
    Slackbladder Posts: 9,800
    Wow ukip came so close to labour... In wales!!!
  • david_herdson
    david_herdson Posts: 18,357
    HYUFD said:

    South West UKIP top again, although significant Independent UK vote narrowed their margin, Greens narrowly beat LDs to final MEP

    The Greens narrowly beat UKIP to the final seat. Had there been more, UKIP would have take the 7th; the Lib Dems, the 8th.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Labour squeak it in Wales
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    edited May 2014
    Wales UKIP, Labour, Tory and PC all win a seat in Wales. Labour and UKIP both on 28%. UKIP swept the Welsh border with England according to Emily Maitlis, UKIP also swept Cornwall, and dividing Devon with Tories, LDs nowhere in their heartlands
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,076
    UKIP win a seat in Wales!
  • Ave_it
    Ave_it Posts: 2,411
    Disappointing shouting from UKIP supporters at wales declaration :)
  • corporeal
    corporeal Posts: 2,549
    Fenster said:

    corporeal said:

    SeanT said:

    maaarsh said:

    Yorkshire result firms up Lab in 2nd.

    That is astonishing. First time a non Labour, non Tory party has won an election since the invention of the motor car.
    I wouldn't use that Mr T, it's not true by decades.
    1906 was the last time, according to SKY.

    Last Liberal majority win was 1906, they also topped the polls in the two 1910 elections but without a majority.
  • fitalass
    fitalass Posts: 4,444
    Twitter
    Rob Murray ‏@robmurray11 3m
    East Renfrewshire council: @ScotTories 8,044, Labour: 7,623, SNP: 6,564 #EPScot
  • maaarsh
    maaarsh Posts: 3,602
    Wales on par for Labour and Tory in terms of swing required for 2nd/3rd.
  • peter_from_putney
    peter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    MarqueeMark said:

    LD's 5th in SW - nail in the Clegg coffin....

    Yep, maybe that 5/1 from Ladbrokes on his early departure is worth a second look.

    All it may need is a challenge from one of their big guns ..... Ok, Ok, I know there's only Uncle Vince big enough to stand up to him.

    This is a truly awful night for the LibDems, the worst in fact for many years.

  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    They put the LD with Others for Wales.
  • glw
    glw Posts: 10,463
    The Guardian should be a right laugh this coming week. Owen Jones, Polly, Yasmin et al. will undoubtably go way over the top in their fretting about the election results.
  • YossariansChild
    YossariansChild Posts: 536
    Lib Dems not enough in Wales to register in the BBC totals....
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    Alanbrooke said:

    Why's Tim Faroon wearing a purple kipper tie ? Is he about to defect ?

    It is one of my pet peeves how often party leaders in particular seem to wear ties in their party colours a lot of the time, as if the only difference between them is literally just their tie choice so we can tell them apart, so quite happy for Farron to wear anything but yellow, frankly.

  • GeoffM
    GeoffM Posts: 6,071
    corporeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    LDs leading in...Gibralter according to BBC, joke?

    No, true. Won 60%+ of the vote I think.
    Remember that the SW had a Gibraltarian on the list (even though low down)
    Lyana is very well known here. Her ex husband is a very good personal friend of mine - and an ex maths teacher so generations have grown up respecting that surname.
    She'll have hoovered up a lot of the apolitical vote.
  • Stuart_Dickson
    Stuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    HYUFD said:

    Wales UKIP, Labour, Tory and PC all win a seat in Wales. Labour and UKIP both on 28%

    In that case, Wales has just become the first NO CHANGE result of the evening. Almost certainly the only one!

  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    4,349 votes, the Labour margin over UKIP in Wales.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Lucky escape for Labour in Wales.
  • RochdalePioneers
    RochdalePioneers Posts: 30,611
    Loving the demolition of the Tories by UKIP on the map
  • Ave_it
    Ave_it Posts: 2,411
    Good that Emily is spinning it against the tories - we are not all built on mummy and daddy's money love stop wetting your self!
  • JBriskin
    JBriskin Posts: 2,380
    Fair enough Carynxy -

    I'll be up all night at this rate - I AM DRUNK -

    All PBers please pay no attention from me from now on.
  • Next
    Next Posts: 826 

    Wales

    Britain 1st   6,633
    BNP           7,655
    Con           127,742   1
    Green         33,275
    Lab           206,332   1
    LD            28,930
    NO2EU         2,803
    Plaid         111,864   1
    SLab          4,459
    SocParty      1,384
    UKIP          201,983   1

            Con     Lab     UKIP    LD     Green
    NE              2       1
    E       3       1       3
    EM      2       1       2
    Y&H     1       2       3
    SW      2       1       2              1
    Wales   1       1       1
            ===     ===     ===     ===    ===
            9       8       12      0      1
  • Quincel
    Quincel Posts: 4,042
    kle4 said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    Why's Tim Faroon wearing a purple kipper tie ? Is he about to defect ?

    It is one of my pet peeves how often party leaders in particular seem to wear ties in their party colours a lot of the time, as if the only difference between them is literally just their tie choice so we can tell them apart, so quite happy for Farron to wear anything but yellow, frankly.

    Amen, it's a dull 'tradition' we seem to have developed.
  • Stuart_Dickson
    Stuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    AndyJS said:

    4,349 votes, the Labour margin over UKIP in Wales.

    Squeaky bum time for the WLP.
  • Smarmeron
    Smarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @JBriskin

    Póg mo thóin!
  • AveryLP
    AveryLP Posts: 7,815
    MaxPB said:

    What the hell is wrong with Tower Hamlets. I just read that all of the London boroughs except TH have reported in with their results. Such a basket case.

    Tower Hamlets can't even post their counted votes.

  • Ave_it
    Ave_it Posts: 2,411
    Yes he khan't!!!!!!!!!!!
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Sadiq Khan not confident of second place overall.
  • RodCrosby
    RodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    UNS update after 6 regions

    UKIP 25
    Con 19
    Lab 20 (third in votes)
    LD 0
    Grn 3

    Lab now 0.4% behind again (on UNS)
  • Ave_it
    Ave_it Posts: 2,411
    JBriskin said:

    Fair enough Carynxy -

    I'll be up all night at this rate - I AM DRUNK -

    All PBers please pay no attention from me from now on.

    Normal approach with me!!!!!!!!!!!
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,457
    RochdalePioneers said:

    Loving the demolition of the Tories by UKIP on the map

    Loving the demolition of Labour as the party of Opposition by UKIP
  • welshowl
    welshowl Posts: 4,464
    AndyJS said:

    Lucky escape for Labour in Wales.

    Bit crap considering it's a heartland. Libs meltdown. I will be fascinated at the UKIP vote in the Valleys.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    Any idea of how much longer to go? I'm helping someone move house tomorrow, I need my rest.

    How many more LD knives out in the press for Clegg tomorrow?
  • david_herdson
    david_herdson Posts: 18,357
    corporeal said:

    SeanT said:

    maaarsh said:

    Yorkshire result firms up Lab in 2nd.

    That is astonishing. First time a non Labour, non Tory party has won an election since the invention of the motor car.
    I wouldn't use that Mr T, it's not true by decades.
    If Sean would like to borrow the examples from my thread anticipating this outcome yesterday, he's more than welcome to, with appropriate attribution ;-) :

    "The last time any party other than Labour or the Conservatives won a UK-wide election, women didn’t have the vote, the future RMS Titanic was still under construction and the Ottoman Empire stretched to the shores of the Adriatic. That 103-year long shut-out will probably end this week."

    I'd go beyond "probably" now.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    I'm very interested to see what happens in London..
  • fitalass
    fitalass Posts: 4,444
    edited May 2014
    Its becoming beyond a joke now. We voted on Thursday, those sealed ballot boxes could have been tucked up safe in Inverness on Friday and counted today with every one else while the good folks of the Western Isles continued to observe the Sabbath.
    Carnyx said:

    JBriskin said:

    Carnyx back!! Where's MalcolmG???

    Dunno but I'll be off to bed soon. I'm beginning to wonder if we need to wait for tomorrow pm and the Western Isles results, delayed because the Lewis and Harris folk are, with true Presbyterian principle, refusing to count polls on a Sunday: a work of neither necessity nor mercy (frustrating as it may be to PBers).

  • stjohn
    stjohn Posts: 1,910
    peter_from_putney said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    LD's 5th in SW - nail in the Clegg coffin....

    Yep, maybe that 5/1 from Ladbrokes on his early departure is worth a second look.

    All it may need is a challenge from one of their big guns ..... Ok, Ok, I know there's only Uncle Vince big enough to stand up to him.

    This is a truly awful night for the LibDems, the worst in fact for many years.

    Pfp is Professor Anthony King:

    "This is a truly awful night for...."

  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Casino_Royale said:

    I'm very interested to see what happens in London..

    Labour win and the Lib Dems gain a seat I hope...
  • Monksfield
    Monksfield Posts: 2,905
    Khan not getting it here.
  • Stuart_Dickson
    Stuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    fitalass said:

    Twitter
    Rob Murray ‏@robmurray11 3m
    East Renfrewshire council: @ScotTories 8,044, Labour: 7,623, SNP: 6,564 #EPScot

    CON win in Jim Murphy's seat.
  • hucks67
    hucks67 Posts: 758
    Nick Clegg is going to find it very difficult to stay as leader of the Lib Dems. I expect to see a resignation speech by Clegg middle of next week. Tim Farron should take over in my opinion.
  • another_richard
    another_richard Posts: 27,927
    RochdalePioneers said:

    Loving the demolition of the Tories by UKIP on the map

    They're demolishing Labour in the north.

  • Carnyx
    Carnyx Posts: 44,654
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu-regions/S15000001

    Some more Scots results - but not Glasgow.
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    It looks like Labour will have to make a choice, europe or immigration.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    To use a SeanT phrase, the flatulent pomposities of the political elite are coming back to haunt them tonight.
  • RepublicanTory
    RepublicanTory Posts: 563
    NickPalmer said:

    LibDems a bit unlucky in the SW to be pipped by the Greens.

    NO

    Not "unlucky" -it is called Democracy -it is when we the people get a chance to tell OUR elected politicians what we think of their performance.
  • JBriskin
    JBriskin Posts: 2,380
    Ave_it said:

    JBriskin said:

    Fair enough Carynxy -

    I'll be up all night at this rate - I AM DRUNK -

    All PBers please pay no attention from me from now on.

    Normal approach with me!!!!!!!!!!!
    Me to!!! - But m Gf is in F-ing Edinburgh (ok, not literally) -

    I canna cope!!!!

  • SouthamObserver
    SouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    MarqueeMark said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Loving the demolition of the Tories by UKIP on the map

    Loving the demolition of Labour as the party of Opposition by UKIP

    I think some people are getting slightly over-excited!!

  • Slackbladder
    Slackbladder Posts: 9,800
    Khan all over the place on immigration... Comes across as totally london centric too
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Dimbleby asks the question... And Sadiq Khan has got *nothing* to offer from Labour on immigration whilst the UK remains in the EU.
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Sadiq Khan: we can't call anyone who talks about immigration a racist.

    Euracist, perhaps? ;)
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    New Thread
  • Ave_it
    Ave_it Posts: 2,411
    SeanT said:

    When can we expect the official Declaration of an Apology from Mike Smithson?

    You'll get a 5 year ban for that along with tim!

  • Quincel
    Quincel Posts: 4,042
    Slackbladder said:

    Khan all over the place on immigration... Comes across as totally london centric too

    He is campaigning for the Mayor of London nomination, remember.
  • GeoffM
    GeoffM Posts: 6,071
    JBriskin said:

    Fair enough Carynxy -

    I'll be up all night at this rate - I AM DRUNK -

    All PBers please pay no attention from me from now on.

    Good for you!

    I have just opened a bottle of Crimean champagne from the crate reserved for nights like this.

  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    When will London announce ?

    Are they waiting on Tower Hamlets 7 million votes :> ?
  • Socrates
    Socrates Posts: 10,322
    AveryLP said:

    MaxPB said:

    What the hell is wrong with Tower Hamlets. I just read that all of the London boroughs except TH have reported in with their results. Such a basket case.

    Tower Hamlets can't even post their counted votes.

    The place is a mess, but the same lot get in each year on the back of Bengali solidarity. Reminds me of some of the corrupt Democratic city machines in the US.
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    UKIP leading West Midlands at present
  • david_herdson
    david_herdson Posts: 18,357
    kle4 said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    Why's Tim Faroon wearing a purple kipper tie ? Is he about to defect ?

    It is one of my pet peeves how often party leaders in particular seem to wear ties in their party colours a lot of the time, as if the only difference between them is literally just their tie choice so we can tell them apart, so quite happy for Farron to wear anything but yellow, frankly.

    Wearing party colours is fair enough on election night.
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    Stuart Dickson Indeed, PC also affects things there
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    hucks67 said:

    Nick Clegg is going to find it very difficult to stay as leader of the Lib Dems. I expect to see a resignation speech by Clegg middle of next week. Tim Farron should take over in my opinion.

    If he doesn't go soon in response to the last locals failing to stem the tide of losses, and this near total wipeout (or total wipeout) at the Euros, then not even losing his GE seat could shift him I'd say. No LD would really want the trouble of seeing through the final year of this Coalition, but how can they continue on after a series of results too terrible to even laughable spin as ok?
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    edited May 2014
    Slackbladder said:

    Khan all over the place on immigration... Comes across as totally london centric too

    They dont understand that Labour doing well in London does not mean that they win nationwide elections.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @journodave: Over 12,000 Ukip votes in Glasgow, more than 10,000 for the Conservatives. #EP2014
  • NickPalmer
    NickPalmer Posts: 21,724
    Christian Democrats 27 seats ahead of Social Democrats in the current predictions, far left 5 seats against of Tory-led EPP. Italy has centre-left on 33 vs Beppo 26 and Berlusconi's Forza Italia way back on 18.
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    glw Yes, but they will also point out Greens beat LDs
  • foxinsoxuk
    foxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    I have opened the Metaxa three star.

    Any port in a storm!
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  • Carnyx
    Carnyx Posts: 44,654
    Ah - Glasgow in, if WoS's twitter chums are right -

    Glasgow result: BF 1219 BNP 1196 Con 10985 Lab 45676 Lib 3830 No2 829 SGP 15359 SNP 37820 UKIP 12638 #EPScot
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    kle4 said:

    hucks67 said:

    Nick Clegg is going to find it very difficult to stay as leader of the Lib Dems. I expect to see a resignation speech by Clegg middle of next week. Tim Farron should take over in my opinion.

    If he doesn't go soon in response to the last locals failing to stem the tide of losses, and this near total wipeout (or total wipeout) at the Euros, then not even losing his GE seat could shift him I'd say. No LD would really want the trouble of seeing through the final year of this Coalition, but how can they continue on after a series of results too terrible to even laughable spin as ok?
    If the LD lose all their seats in the euros, Clegg can't stay for long.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    edited May 2014
    david_herdson said:

    kle4 said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    Why's Tim Faroon wearing a purple kipper tie ? Is he about to defect ?

    It is one of my pet peeves how often party leaders in particular seem to wear ties in their party colours a lot of the time, as if the only difference between them is literally just their tie choice so we can tell them apart, so quite happy for Farron to wear anything but yellow, frankly.

    Wearing party colours is fair enough on election night.
    I never meant to imply it wasn't, but you see the leaders in particular often colour code throughout the year. It's not something they do universally, but when they have all at once done so it looks bloody silly, as if the cliche of their being no difference between them to the point we need a visual cue to remind us, is true.
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