UKIP are looking pretty safe for their seat in Scotland at the moment. They have got 95K and SNP have 266K. They would need to gain another 30K (I think) to take the extra seat.
Really does look like oblivion for the Lib-Dems tonight, and after Clegg took on Farage so publicly.
That was a mistake. A big mistake.
I still don't see how - they were already briefing around that stage that they expected to lose all their MEPs, or that is was possible at least. It didn't work as a tactic, but since they were on course for a wipeout or near wipeout before it happened, and that has now occured after it happened, it didn't actually have much impact on the LD outcome, even if it cost them some % points or raised UKIPs.
Because it shows how much people don't like the EU. The party of out has surged to incredible highs, while the party of in has utterly, utterly collapsed. Hefty majorities backed Farage's euroscepticism over Clegg's europhilia in post-debate polls, showing how the europhile myth that you just need to stand up and speak for the EU and the plebs will all realise what's good for them. That has now been shown to be complete and utter bunk. We don't want European integration and we don't want miserly fiddling at the edges reforms. Brussels must give us back huge swathes of national sovereignty or we will take it for ourselves.
You evidently misunderstand me. We all know people don't like the EU. Even Clegg knows that. My point was that the only party that is proudly for In was already heading for zero MEPs (or max 1-2) before Clegg took on Farage and after he took him on the same thing looks like it is happening.
Therefore, that it did not work in Clegg's favour hardly means it was a mistake to try it. It at least had the chance to change the outcome. It didn't work at all, and Europhilia is toxic (in addition to the other reasons the LDs are toxic right now) even if more people out of fear would vote to stay in the EU, but challenging Farage was an attempt to stave off complete disaster. That the attempt failed does not mean the attempt was a mistake unless it made things worse, and even if it did in vote terms, it didn't in outcome terms.
AIFE falling back a bit according to the BBC, now 1.52% and very close to the over/under line. I was tempted by under but didn't take it, looks like an exciting one for those who took either side.
What the hell is wrong with Tower Hamlets. I just read that all of the London boroughs except TH have reported in with their results. Such a basket case.
How is that 'wow'? They've been briefing about it and senior figures expressing the possibility for quite some time now, even if only to be able to spin even 1 surviving as some kind of absurd victory.
Where will the 7% Lib Dem rump go when they collapse in to nothing over the next 10 years?
They've been reduced further than this in previous incarnations and survived to rebuild over many decades. I think it premature to assume they will disappear entirely, they will just have to readjust to being a much less ambitious in scope party.
What the hell is wrong with Tower Hamlets. I just read that all of the London boroughs except TH have reported in with their results. Such a basket case.
Where will the 7% Lib Dem rump go when they collapse in to nothing over the next 10 years?
They've been reduced further than this in previous incarnations and survived to rebuild over many decades. I think it premature to assume they will disappear entirely, they will just have to readjust to being a much less ambitious in scope party.
Less ambitious than they are already? They sold themselves to the Tories for an AV referendum when they never wanted AV.
Really does look like oblivion for the Lib-Dems tonight, and after Clegg took on Farage so publicly.
That was a mistake. A big mistake.
I still don't see how - they were already briefing around that stage that they expected to lose all their MEPs, or that is was possible at least. It didn't work as a tactic, but since they were on course for a wipeout or near wipeout before it happened, and that has now occured after it happened, it didn't actually have much impact on the LD outcome, even if it cost them some % points or raised UKIPs.
Because it shows how much people don't like the EU. The party of out has surged to incredible highs, while the party of in has utterly, utterly collapsed. Hefty majorities backed Farage's euroscepticism over Clegg's europhilia in post-debate polls, showing how the europhile myth that you just need to stand up and speak for the EU and the plebs will all realise what's good for them. That has now been shown to be complete and utter bunk. We don't want European integration and we don't want miserly fiddling at the edges reforms. Brussels must give us back huge swathes of national sovereignty or we will take it for ourselves.
You evidently misunderstand me. We all know people don't like the EU. Even Clegg knows that. My point was that the only party that is proudly for In was already heading for zero MEPs (or max 1-2) before Clegg took on Farage and after he took him on the same thing looks like it is happening.
Therefore, that it did not work in Clegg's favour hardly means it was a mistake to try it. It at least had the chance to change the outcome. It didn't work at all, and Europhilia is toxic (in addition to the other reasons the LDs are toxic right now) even if more people out of fear would vote to stay in the EU, but challenging Farage was an attempt to stave off complete disaster. That the attempt failed does not mean the attempt was a mistake unless it made things worse, and even if it did in vote terms, it didn't in outcome terms.
Indeed. It wasn't a mistake to try it; it was a mistake to cock it up.
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UKIP 403,630
Lab 380,189
Con 248,945
Green 102,282
LD 81,108
AIFE 24,297
BNP 20,138
ED 13,288
No2EU 3,107
Yorkshire First 19,017
so still looking forward to being in the UK then
AIFE 24297
BNP 20138
Con 248945
ED 13288
Green 102282
Lab 380189
LD 81108
No2EU 3807
UKIP 403640
UKIP 3 seats
Lab 2
Con 1
SW declaration coming up...
They really do not understand what is happening.
But this was from a fat albeit very pretty 25 year old with 3 children and not married
Therefore, that it did not work in Clegg's favour hardly means it was a mistake to try it. It at least had the chance to change the outcome. It didn't work at all, and Europhilia is toxic (in addition to the other reasons the LDs are toxic right now) even if more people out of fear would vote to stay in the EU, but challenging Farage was an attempt to stave off complete disaster. That the attempt failed does not mean the attempt was a mistake unless it made things worse, and even if it did in vote terms, it didn't in outcome terms.
Euro - #SouthWest: Con 2 (-1), Lab 1 (+1), Lib Dem 0 (-1), UKIP 2 (0), Green 1 (+1) #EP2014
Full Disclosure -
My privately educated Gf is in Edinburgh - kidnapped by the Yessnp - hopefully not literally.
Wish me Luck!!!!!
Can I go to bed?
I THINK UKIP 2, Con 2, Lab 1, Green 1
Ed and Dave fighting for 2nd.
UKIP: 484,184 (33.40%)
Con: 433,151
Lab: 206,124
Green: 166,447
LD: 160,376
AIFE: 23,169
Eng Dem: 15,081
BNP: 10,910
TOTALS: 1,449,442
Green party win seat in South West, no seats for LDs.
Congratulations to the Greens.
UKIP 26
Con 19
Lab 20 (third in votes)
LD 0
Grn 2
Con-Lab gap now 0.6%, but constituency D'Hondt looking more favourable to Lab
AIFE 23169
BNP 10910
Con 433151
ED 15081
Green 166447
Labour 206124
Lib Dem 160376
UKIP 484184
Gibraltar??????
imo
UKIP 26
Lab 20 (now second in votes)
Con 19
LD 0
Grn 2
Lab now in second by 0.8% over the Tories