Has anyone heard of this Alternative in Germany? I have never heard of them. Where are they likely to sit in the Euro Parliament? Are they likely to form a group with UKIP? Are they more appropriate to sit with than the Front National?
It really does look as though the Lib-Dems might actually come behind the Greens, LOL!!!!!
Being "the Party of In" and advertising it too! No-one wants the EU so Nick Clegg can sod off with his lies and distortions to justify it. The Great British public, at best, tolerate it, with a good half wanting to ditch it all together. How I love democracy, and how the wisdom of crowds triumphs over the vested interests ultimately. Mssrs Clegg, Cameron and Miliband, you can fool some of the people all the time and all the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time and you've been found out tonight.
If LDs were advertising they were the party of In, then they were not fooling people about their intentions at least, whereas the Tories and Lab are also In, but try not to advertise it because all three know it is unpopular to be unambiguously In.
Has anyone heard of this Alternative in Germany? I have never heard of them. Where are they likely to sit in the Euro Parliament? Are they likely to form a group with UKIP? Are they more appropriate to sit with than the Front National?
It really does look as though the Lib-Dems might actually come behind the Greens, LOL!!!!!
Being "the Party of In" and advertising it too! No-one wants the EU so Nick Clegg can sod off with his lies and distortions to justify it. The Great British public, at best, tolerate it, with a good half wanting to ditch it all together. How I love democracy, and how the wisdom of crowds triumphs over the vested interests ultimately. Mssrs Clegg, Cameron and Miliband, you can fool some of the people all the time and all the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time and you've been found out tonight.
If LDs were advertising they were the party of In, then they were not fooling people about their intentions at least, whereas the Tories and Lab are also In, but try not to advertise it because all three know it is unpopular to be unambiguously In.
And all three of them lost handsomely. Nobody likes a Europhile.
Do we know the UK turnout figure? Is it up on last time?
36% I thought I saw, a few points up from last time, but not as much as I'd hoped. If a UKIP explosion won't get people to the polls, for or against, what will? Only a referendum I'd guess.
Has anyone heard of this Alternative in Germany? I have never heard of them. Where are they likely to sit in the Euro Parliament? Are they likely to form a group with UKIP? Are they more appropriate to sit with than the Front National?
The way I see it is that if Labour comes third in the Euros they'll be so demoralised that they won't bother to fight the Newark by-election properly, which will give UKIP a big boost.
They should let UKIP have a free ride in Newark anyway. If UKIP can win there then all over the country UKIP leaning voters will see it need not be a wasted vote at a GE, and will be more likely to stick with UKIP, and that will hurt the Tories a lot more than Labour.
Do you still believe that?
Why wouldn't I? UKIP taking sizable votes in the Labour heartlands will not cost Labour as many seats as UKIP taking masses of votes in the Shires will prevent the Tories from taking the LD seat numbers they need to retain a plurality.
How many LD MP's are there in the shires?
What Labour supporters don't seem to consider is that many more UKIP voters will return to the Tories than Labour. The reason being that the so-called 19th hole bores will reluctantly go back to the Tories to keep Ed out, whereas the WWC will never return to Labour.
What is Ed going to tell them, that they are too thick to have a referendum and that their wages will continue to be suppressed?
Labour are more at risk than the Tories, many of the Colonel Blimps will return to the Tories but Labour have lost the WWC forever.
Really does look like oblivion for the Lib-Dems tonight, and after Clegg took on Farage so publicly.
That was a mistake. A big mistake.
I still don't see how - they were already briefing around that stage that they expected to lose all their MEPs, or that is was possible at least. It didn't work as a tactic, but since they were on course for a wipeout or near wipeout before it happened, and that has now occured after it happened, it didn't actually have much impact on the LD outcome, even if it cost them some % points or raised UKIPs.
Hands-up who thinks the EU will listen to this verdict?
Well of course they'll listen to it. They just won't act on what is being said, because the problem is clearly people don't understand what is good for them, hence their little tantrum. The answer is clearly more Europe, when isn't it?
Has anyone heard of this Alternative in Germany? I have never heard of them. Where are they likely to sit in the Euro Parliament? Are they likely to form a group with UKIP? Are they more appropriate to sit with than the Front National?
Grant Shapps falling over himself on BBC: 'people want us to re-double our efforts in doing what we're currently doing.'
Um... not quite, Grant. Have a think.
It would be nice for once to hear a politician admit they've received a kicking and have got it badly wrong, but it would probably take an actual revolution for that to happen, a mere election will not suffice.
Labour miss out on a 2nd seat in E Mids by under 1%, grr!
Don't feel bad - as no-one cares what MEPs do, whether Labour's vote share is more than the Tory share will get just as much play as if they can more MEPs.
Salmond on BBC now, Curtice hammering him, SNP doing no more than holding vote compared to Holyrood elections and UKIP could win a Scottish seat reducing distinction between Scotland and UK
In the unlikely event of Roger Helmer becoming MP for Newark, I do not think the prominence will benefit the kippers in changing the image of the party away from the Golf club bore.
Really does look like oblivion for the Lib-Dems tonight, and after Clegg took on Farage so publicly.
That was a mistake. A big mistake.
I still don't see how - they were already briefing around that stage that they expected to lose all their MEPs, or that is was possible at least. It didn't work as a tactic, but since they were on course for a wipeout or near wipeout before it happened, and that has now occured after it happened, it didn't actually have much impact on the LD outcome, even if it cost them some % points or raised UKIPs.
Because it shows how much people don't like the EU. The party of out has surged to incredible highs, while the party of in has utterly, utterly collapsed. Hefty majorities backed Farage's euroscepticism over Clegg's europhilia in post-debate polls, showing how the europhile myth that you just need to stand up and speak for the EU and the plebs will all realise what's good for them. That has now been shown to be complete and utter bunk. We don't want European integration and we don't want miserly fiddling at the edges reforms. Brussels must give us back huge swathes of national sovereignty or we will take it for ourselves.
AIFE falling back a bit according to the BBC, now 1.52% and very close to the over/under line. I was tempted by under but didn't take it, looks like an exciting one for those who took either side.
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At91c3wX1Wu5dFRlQ250bWgzS2JQZDRxcjVfa0lOdmc&usp=drive_web#gid=0
Much better coverage on SKy with their ticker
That is why Cameron is holding a winning ticket.
But we knew that already.
AIFE: 21384
BNP: 18326
Con: 291270
ED: 11612
GP: 60066
Lab: 279363
LD: 60773
UKIP 368774
If I heard it correctly.
ERROR brilliant
we're about 2 hours from Cameron Downfall videos
UKIP: 368,734 (32.90%)
Con: 291,270 (25.99%)
Lab: 279,263 (24.92%)
Green: 67,066 (5.98%)
LD: 60,773 (5.42%)
AIFE: 21,384 (1.91%)
BNP: 18,326 (1.64%)
Eng Dem: 11,612 (1.04%)
Harmony: 2,184 (0.19%)
TOTALS: 1,120,612
Roger Helmer comes top.
If Helmer can get 33% in an area which includes Nottingham, Derby, Northampton, Lincoln, he ought to be able to win the Newark by-election.
We are back in '33.
UKIP 2
Con 2
Lab 1
LDs lose their East Midlands seat, UKIP top the poll with Helmer, 2 UKIP MEPs, 2 Tory MEPs, 1 Labour
Given they knew they how much difficulty they were facing it's a very plausible statement.
Of course all campaigns tend to be called the best ever just after they happened.
What Labour supporters don't seem to consider is that many more UKIP voters will return to the Tories than Labour. The reason being that the so-called 19th hole bores will reluctantly go back to the Tories to keep Ed out, whereas the WWC will never return to Labour.
What is Ed going to tell them, that they are too thick to have a referendum and that their wages will continue to be suppressed?
Labour are more at risk than the Tories, many of the Colonel Blimps will return to the Tories but Labour have lost the WWC forever.
Actual result is Con 2, Lab 1 !!!!!!!!!!!!
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Not sure how long I'll stay up. Hope the blues can be second but doubt it.
Maitlis: "Err.. you have to look quite far down to find them."
Lolz.
Con holding on flying the flag in east midlands!!!
SKY share of vote UKIP 33 Labour 25 Cons 26
who is right?
Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn 56s
That's the old man gone. We may not agree on everything, but I am hugely proud of @billnewtondunn's 30 years in the European Parliament.
Wait until 18 September!
All about the 1745!!!!!!!!!!!!
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In the unlikely event of Roger Helmer becoming MP for Newark, I do not think the prominence will benefit the kippers in changing the image of the party away from the Golf club bore.
*Technically, Scotland didn't exist. It was Picts then, before the Scotti Hibernians took over.
Yes 34%
No 46%
* off Salmond! Let's stop all their benefits and take away their right to vote after GE 2015! Get back on the crofts!!!!
Farage = Lord Haw-Haw
The BT campaign has been a huge boost to the SCONS and a big damper on the SLABS.
Lab lucky in NE
Con lucky in East Mids
#RUMOUR: Greens have won an MEP in the South West.