If the Euro elections were confined to the two cities that compete in the Boat Race then Ukip would be nowhere.
If we based any nationwide election on Oxford and Cambridge results then no one would have made a correct prediction since 1867. Those 2 towns are not Britain, they are just a tiny part of it in votes. This might explain why OGH was out of touch though with the euros.
LibDems couldn't believe they were 5th and demanded that their and Green bundles were recounted. Result: 7 LibDem votes turned out to be UKIP...
You cant help but smile...
Infuriated, the LibDems claimed that this showed the whole count was unsafe and proposed a total recount. The Returning Officer gently talked them out of it.
Our Genial Host looks like a total dork, and a loser. Sorry. But there it is. He just lacks judgement, and gets too emotional - like many - when it comes to UKIP.
However he is a big enough guy to admit the facts, when he gets it wrong.
Stuart: I am feeling some SOLIDARITY with you tonight. I hope (if Scotland does become independent) that cross-border cooperation on the centre-right with your new party might be able to continue in some form.
Stuart: I am feeling some SOLIDARITY with you tonight. I hope (if Scotland does become independent) that cross-border cooperation on the centre-right with your new party might be able to continue in some form.
Of course! We can sit in the same group in the European Parliament!
Labour on the way to third place nationally after that result...
How do you calculate?
Tories were 12% ahead of Lab in 2009. Looks like 1% now after 2 results. Lab need a 6% con-Lab swing to beat the Tories.
Sky have voteshare C -2.8, Lab 8.2.
Not enough.
Cheers Rod. So Labour around 24% nationally?
Lab on 24.3% based on Sky's +/- ticker. Con on 25.3%
Kellner reckons Labour are getting 2nd due to metropolitan strength.
We'll see about that. Labour could do very badly in places like Kent and Southampton.
Yep we have both the se and sw, where labour will be nowhere
One wonders what it will take for Labour to make proper inroads to such areas again. The LDs are nowhere in practically every part of the country, but here in the SW the LDs are still easily preferred as Tory opposition than Labour, though it will be interesting to see if that has happened again.
Stuart: I am feeling some SOLIDARITY with you tonight. I hope (if Scotland does become independent) that cross-border cooperation on the centre-right with your new party might be able to continue in some form.
Of course! We can sit in the same group in the European Parliament!
I'm in Oxford and although I don't know the full boundaries I'm surprised UKIP were "nowhere" - there are parts of Oxford of the Con/LD marginal type, and parts of the white-working class type, both of which might in their own way have contributed some. (UKIP nowhere with students of either Oxford or Oxford Brookes, though!)
Our Genial Host looks like a total dork, and a loser. Sorry. But there it is. He just lacks judgement, and gets too emotional - like many - when it comes to UKIP.
However he is a big enough guy to admit the facts, when he gets it wrong.
Our Genial Host looks like a total dork, and a loser. Sorry. But there it is. He just lacks judgement, and gets too emotional - like many - when it comes to UKIP.
However he is a big enough guy to admit the facts, when he gets it wrong.
Ogh and dan hodges, both lose their judgement when it comes to ukip
Not only is tribal politics childish and depressing it can also ultimately be very costly.......
If the Euro elections were confined to the two cities that compete in the Boat Race then Ukip would be nowhere.
Of course Oxford and Cambridge universities had their own MPs until 1950. Clement Atlee decided to get rid of them.
Those seats were not quite as they seem. They were for all Ox-bridge graduates not the undergraduates actually at Ox-bridge at the time (don't forget the minimum voting age at the time was 21). I suspect that if we had them today they would be solidly Conservative (as they were from 1900-1950)- all those ex Ox-bridge City bankers and lawyers.
Quite right, Mr. O.. It will be back to political business as usual on Tuesday. A fun night but it will change next to nothing. We must also remember that OGH said that Thursday was a disaster for UKIP and their popular support has dropped massively.
I Disagree i think things will change because:-
1)There is nothing like an impending P45 to galvanise those with non-transferable skills. 2) Being Euro-sceptic is now no longer something to be embarrassed about. Q a long list of hitherto politico's, pundits and Celebs who will suddenly find their sceptic voice.
The Swedes are perplexed how the UK can be the last state in Europe to report official results when the votes were cast 3 days ago. You can almost see them sneering.
Problem is, they have suffered like a dozen flesh wounds, and together they lead to not a mortal wound, but something they will never recover or walk properly again.
Despite everything, I still think UKIP are heading for 15% and zero seats at GE2015.
Quite so. How Tories (and Hodges) can think a Tory majority is probable is baffling with such figures - even with a 5-10% range as I suspect UKIP will get.
The Swedes are perplexed how the UK can be the last state in Europe to report official results when the votes were cast 3 days ago. You can almost see them sneering.
If the Euro elections were confined to the two cities that compete in the Boat Race then Ukip would be nowhere.
Was that irony or desperation?
Who would have thought Oxbridge types are so out of touch with the rest of the country? Maybe it's about time we get someone running the place who isn't part of that elitist network?
Mr. kle4, I don't think a blue majority likely, but it (or a red one) depends on whether there's a difference between how likely a red or blue voter is to stick with UKIP or 'come home' for the General Election.
Jeremy Vine LOL - "The German results show a big reinforcement for Angela Merkel" (points to CDU -4)... "The left-wing party in greece getting hammered" (huge swing to Syriza). Embarrassing.
Has anyone heard of this Alternative in Germany? I have never heard of them. Where are they likely to sit in the Euro Parliament? Are they likely to form a group with UKIP? Are they more appropriate to sit with than the Front National?
We can all laugh at the travails of the LibDems but there's a clear message here that goes beyond the shores of our little archipelago.
The Commission in particular, the Germans who drive its agenda, and conventional parties across the continent have got to realise that their vision of a federal Europe, driven by globalisation and raped by corporate entities is not washing with the people of Europe.
Has anyone heard of this Alternative in Germany? I have never heard of them. Where are they likely to sit in the Euro Parliament? Are they likely to form a group with UKIP? Are they more appropriate to sit with than the Front National?
@SamCoatesTimes: After third of results, SNP top in Scotland, Labour second; Conservatives third; Ukip fourth; Scottish Greens fifth, Liberal Democrats SIXTH
Someone keep a copy of the esteem publication Great Manchester News, published by the LD and full from start to finish about Chris Davies MEP saving fish, pubs, mountain rescue, the car industry and generaly being the best and greatest MEP in the world complete with a LD bar chart to prove it. I'm afraid we will never see it again.
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Geez, could the unthinkable happen? A UKIP, Con, Lab 1 2 3?
Those 2 towns are not Britain, they are just a tiny part of it in votes.
This might explain why OGH was out of touch though with the euros.
How does that area compare to Newark parliamentary seat?
Moral: "quit while you're behind".
In Ceredigion Plaid top with 7,139, UKIP 4,138, Conservatives 2,698, LibDems 2,332, Labour 2,110, Greens 1,646
Kipper apologists will claim the threat is mitigated in the UK: all they want to do is return us to the social values and demography of the 1950s.
UKIP have beaten and won Doncaster over the Labour Party by under 1,000 votes.
Also with Ladbrokes it looks as if Labour are under Shadsys bar (26%), and AIFE are over it (1.5%).
Mike has put out some good tips, and the AIFE one was one of them.
Doom for my party, but a good night financially if these hold true.
SE must be one...
Will they get London ?
Quite right, Mr. O.. It will be back to political business as usual on Tuesday. A fun night but it will change next to nothing. We must also remember that OGH said that Thursday was a disaster for UKIP and their popular support has dropped massively.
I Disagree i think things will change because:-
1)There is nothing like an impending P45 to galvanise those with non-transferable skills.
2) Being Euro-sceptic is now no longer something to be embarrassed about. Q a long list of hitherto politico's, pundits and Celebs who will suddenly find their sceptic voice.
Things have changed.
Where it leads us is the more important question.
You lost. All your claims and smears about UKIP were ignored by the electorate and despite your best efforts UKIP have won handsomely.
You're a very bad loser. Why don't you take your ball home while you're at it?
Those who strayed with UKIP last Thursday will be nursing themselves on antibiotics for the next ten days.
Expect a chastened and repentant vote on June 5th.
Remember David Herdson's post a week or so back?
Fingers crossed that Graham Watson has been sent packing.
The Commission in particular, the Germans who drive its agenda, and conventional parties across the continent have got to realise that their vision of a federal Europe, driven by globalisation and raped by corporate entities is not washing with the people of Europe.
Discuss.
@ScottishPol: If Ukip win a Scottish seat it will make SNP's decision to polarise poll into "Us v Ukip" look a very bad one
Registered Political Party Number of Votes
Britain First
241
British National Party
244
Conservative Party
7261
Green Party/Plaid Werdd
1059
Labour Party – Llafur
5011
Liberal Democrats
883
NO2EU
80
Plaid Cymru – The Party of Wales
4936
Socialist Labour Party/Plaid Lafur Sosialaidd
123
The Socialist Party of Great Britain
51
UK Independence Party (UKIP)
8617