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Pro Labour areas tend to have Labour local government and will thus likely be slower and less efficient (honourable exception to our Mackem friends)RodCrosby said:
Surely urban areas are declaring first? Not good for Labour...AndyJS said:Current BBC percentages: UKIP 30%, Lab 24%, Con 23%, Green 8%, LD 7%.
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European Parliament announced it as 36%, up from 34.5% last time (or 34.something, can't remember exactly).NickPalmer said:Do we know the UK turnout figure? Is it up on last time?
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Not another Tory Edinburgh surge ?Scott_P said:@journodave: And now for the bi-annual moment where poll watchers are shocked to discover there are more than a few right wing Scots.
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Check out my results page:Speedy said:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At91c3wX1Wu5dFRlQ250bWgzS2JQZDRxcjVfa0lOdmc&usp=drive_web#gid=00 -
How are BBC and Sky's share of the vote different?
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UKIP take Torbay, LD third on 10.8%0
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He who pays the piper calls the tune.Socrates said:
Yeah, but Germany actually have influence in the EU, so staying in might be more sensible to them.AveryLP said:
AfD are pro EU reform, anti exit. Opposed to Euro. Closer to the Conservatives than UKIP.glw said:
The BBC had a little article about them a couple of weeks ago.DavidL said:Has anyone heard of this Alternative in Germany? I have never heard of them. Where are they likely to sit in the Euro Parliament? Are they likely to form a group with UKIP? Are they more appropriate to sit with than the Front National?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27341876
I thought they sounded quite sensible.
That is why Cameron is holding a winning ticket.
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East mids in0
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Grant Schapps effectively saying that the Conservatives would vote IN whatever the result of their fake 'renegotiations'.
But we knew that already.
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East Mids:
AIFE: 21384
BNP: 18326
Con: 291270
ED: 11612
GP: 60066
Lab: 279363
LD: 60773
UKIP 368774
If I heard it correctly.0 -
If LDs were advertising they were the party of In, then they were not fooling people about their intentions at least, whereas the Tories and Lab are also In, but try not to advertise it because all three know it is unpopular to be unambiguously In.Socrates said:
Being "the Party of In" and advertising it too! No-one wants the EU so Nick Clegg can sod off with his lies and distortions to justify it. The Great British public, at best, tolerate it, with a good half wanting to ditch it all together. How I love democracy, and how the wisdom of crowds triumphs over the vested interests ultimately. Mssrs Clegg, Cameron and Miliband, you can fool some of the people all the time and all the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time and you've been found out tonight.GIN1138 said:It really does look as though the Lib-Dems might actually come behind the Greens, LOL!!!!!
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That was a mistake. A big mistake.GIN1138 said:
Really does look like oblivion for the Lib-Dems tonight, and after Clegg took on Farage so publicly.marke09 said:Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft 1m
Seems Libdems may be sixth in Scotland...
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AIFE taking plenty again - add them, BNP and ED in to UKIP and you get a very solid number
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No gain for Lab in East Midlands. Con beat them0
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guffawAveryLP said:
He who pays the piper calls the tune.Socrates said:
Yeah, but Germany actually have influence in the EU, so staying in might be more sensible to them.AveryLP said:
AfD are pro EU reform, anti exit. Opposed to Euro. Closer to the Conservatives than UKIP.glw said:
The BBC had a little article about them a couple of weeks ago.DavidL said:Has anyone heard of this Alternative in Germany? I have never heard of them. Where are they likely to sit in the Euro Parliament? Are they likely to form a group with UKIP? Are they more appropriate to sit with than the Front National?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27341876
I thought they sounded quite sensible.
That is why Cameron is holding a winning ticket.
we're about 2 hours from Cameron Downfall videos0 -
what absolute turnips0
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EM :hysteric:0
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Doh... East mids bloke cocking this up0
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And all three of them lost handsomely. Nobody likes a Europhile.kle4 said:
If LDs were advertising they were the party of In, then they were not fooling people about their intentions at least, whereas the Tories and Lab are also In, but try not to advertise it because all three know it is unpopular to be unambiguously In.Socrates said:
Being "the Party of In" and advertising it too! No-one wants the EU so Nick Clegg can sod off with his lies and distortions to justify it. The Great British public, at best, tolerate it, with a good half wanting to ditch it all together. How I love democracy, and how the wisdom of crowds triumphs over the vested interests ultimately. Mssrs Clegg, Cameron and Miliband, you can fool some of the people all the time and all the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time and you've been found out tonight.GIN1138 said:It really does look as though the Lib-Dems might actually come behind the Greens, LOL!!!!!
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36% I thought I saw, a few points up from last time, but not as much as I'd hoped. If a UKIP explosion won't get people to the polls, for or against, what will? Only a referendum I'd guess.NickPalmer said:Do we know the UK turnout figure? Is it up on last time?
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His one moment in the limelight and he blows it!Slackbladder said:Doh... East mids bloke cocking this up
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East Midlands:
UKIP: 368,734 (32.90%)
Con: 291,270 (25.99%)
Lab: 279,263 (24.92%)
Green: 67,066 (5.98%)
LD: 60,773 (5.42%)
AIFE: 21,384 (1.91%)
BNP: 18,326 (1.64%)
Eng Dem: 11,612 (1.04%)
Harmony: 2,184 (0.19%)
TOTALS: 1,120,612
Roger Helmer comes top.
If Helmer can get 33% in an area which includes Nottingham, Derby, Northampton, Lincoln, he ought to be able to win the Newark by-election.0 -
Mr. Gin, indeed. The worst miscalculation in agreeing to a public bout since Henry VIII lost a wrestling match to the King of France?0
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Downfall videos are so '45, Mr. Brooke.Alanbrooke said:
guffawAveryLP said:
He who pays the piper calls the tune.Socrates said:
Yeah, but Germany actually have influence in the EU, so staying in might be more sensible to them.AveryLP said:
AfD are pro EU reform, anti exit. Opposed to Euro. Closer to the Conservatives than UKIP.glw said:
The BBC had a little article about them a couple of weeks ago.DavidL said:Has anyone heard of this Alternative in Germany? I have never heard of them. Where are they likely to sit in the Euro Parliament? Are they likely to form a group with UKIP? Are they more appropriate to sit with than the Front National?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27341876
I thought they sounded quite sensible.
That is why Cameron is holding a winning ticket.
we're about 2 hours from Cameron Downfall videos
We are back in '33.
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Helmer time0
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East Midlands = LOLbour party0
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Total LD melt down E midlands!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!0
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East Mids:
UKIP 2
Con 2
Lab 10 -
Get your bloody soundbite in Roger you prat0
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Avery Indeed
LDs lose their East Midlands seat, UKIP top the poll with Helmer, 2 UKIP MEPs, 2 Tory MEPs, 1 Labour0 -
There's only so much a regional campaign against a national swing.maaarsh said:Losing LD MEP "We Lib Dems have agreed we fought our best ever campaign in the region"
Sad to see what happens to aged minds when paradigms shift.
Given they knew they how much difficulty they were facing it's a very plausible statement.
Of course all campaigns tend to be called the best ever just after they happened.0 -
E Mids 2/2/1 UKIP/Con/Lab as I predicted earlier.0
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How many LD MP's are there in the shires?kle4 said:
Why wouldn't I? UKIP taking sizable votes in the Labour heartlands will not cost Labour as many seats as UKIP taking masses of votes in the Shires will prevent the Tories from taking the LD seat numbers they need to retain a plurality.nigel4england said:
Do you still believe that?kle4 said:
They should let UKIP have a free ride in Newark anyway. If UKIP can win there then all over the country UKIP leaning voters will see it need not be a wasted vote at a GE, and will be more likely to stick with UKIP, and that will hurt the Tories a lot more than Labour.AndyJS said:The way I see it is that if Labour comes third in the Euros they'll be so demoralised that they won't bother to fight the Newark by-election properly, which will give UKIP a big boost.
What Labour supporters don't seem to consider is that many more UKIP voters will return to the Tories than Labour. The reason being that the so-called 19th hole bores will reluctantly go back to the Tories to keep Ed out, whereas the WWC will never return to Labour.
What is Ed going to tell them, that they are too thick to have a referendum and that their wages will continue to be suppressed?
Labour are more at risk than the Tories, many of the Colonel Blimps will return to the Tories but Labour have lost the WWC forever.0 -
Have I missed any Hannibal references on-thread yet?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Gin, indeed. The worst miscalculation in agreeing to a public bout since Henry VIII lost a wrestling match to the King of France?
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I thought Nick P predicted Lab 2, Con 1 in East Mids?
Actual result is Con 2, Lab 1 !!!!!!!!!!!!0 -
I still don't see how - they were already briefing around that stage that they expected to lose all their MEPs, or that is was possible at least. It didn't work as a tactic, but since they were on course for a wipeout or near wipeout before it happened, and that has now occured after it happened, it didn't actually have much impact on the LD outcome, even if it cost them some % points or raised UKIPs.Stuart_Dickson said:
That was a mistake. A big mistake.GIN1138 said:
Really does look like oblivion for the Lib-Dems tonight, and after Clegg took on Farage so publicly.marke09 said:Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft 1m
Seems Libdems may be sixth in Scotland...
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You did. And nobody likes a bad loser.AveryLP said:
Just as FN have won handsomely. Or Denmark's Peoples Party. Or Beppe Grillo's 5 Star party. Or Greece's Syriza and Golden Dawn parties.Richard_Tyndall said:
Nope. Kippers will say you are a tw*t whose party has been hammered and who can now only fall back on smear as a last resort.AveryLP said:The story of the evening is the rise of the far right and the threat of returning Europe to the politics of the 1930s.
Kipper apologists will claim the threat is mitigated in the UK: all they want to do is return us to the social values and demography of the 1950s.
You lost. All your claims and smears about UKIP were ignored by the electorate and despite your best efforts UKIP have won handsomely.
Not one of the above parties, including UKIP, will ever form a national government.
You know that. I know that. Everyone knows that.
That is why the EP elections have become the Eurovision Comedian Competition.
Who cares who loses?
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Sadly, this is true...kle4 said:
Well of course they'll listen to it. They just won't act on what is being said, because the problem is clearly people don't understand what is good for them, hence their little tantrum. The answer is clearly more Europe, when isn't it?Casino_Royale said:Hands-up who thinks the EU will listen to this verdict?
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Mr Pole you're in 1640AveryLP said:
Downfall videos are so '45, Mr. Brooke.Alanbrooke said:
guffawAveryLP said:
He who pays the piper calls the tune.Socrates said:
Yeah, but Germany actually have influence in the EU, so staying in might be more sensible to them.AveryLP said:
AfD are pro EU reform, anti exit. Opposed to Euro. Closer to the Conservatives than UKIP.glw said:
The BBC had a little article about them a couple of weeks ago.DavidL said:Has anyone heard of this Alternative in Germany? I have never heard of them. Where are they likely to sit in the Euro Parliament? Are they likely to form a group with UKIP? Are they more appropriate to sit with than the Front National?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27341876
I thought they sounded quite sensible.
That is why Cameron is holding a winning ticket.
we're about 2 hours from Cameron Downfall videos
We are back in '33.0 -
Neck and neck in the bbc ticker0
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Its Roger Melly
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Tories ahead of labour in East Midlands still....wow0
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East Midlands
AIFE 21,384
BNP 18,326
Con 291,270 2
Edem 11,612
Green 67,066
Harmony 2,194
Lab 279,363 1
LD 60,773
UKIP 368,734 2
Con Lab UKIP LD Green
NE 2 1
E 3 1 3
EM 2 1 2
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Tim Montgomerie spinning hard, trying to make it #TheCleggeffect0
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Mr. M, not yet... a Cannae/Arausio/Teutoberg reference to the Lib Dems might be forthcoming.
Not sure how long I'll stay up. Hope the blues can be second but doubt it.0 -
London Labour's saviour again?0
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Tories also retain their seats in East Mids. Not bad so far0
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Labour miss out on a 2nd seat in E Mids by under 1%, grr!0
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Dimbleby: "I'm interested in particular in the Liberal Democrats?"
Maitlis: "Err.. you have to look quite far down to find them."
Lolz.0 -
biggest humiliation for labour and ld ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Con holding on flying the flag in east midlands!!!0 -
I said that two weeks ago!Pulpstar said:Its Roger Melly
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UKIP get 43% in Kent — Sky News.0
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It would be nice for once to hear a politician admit they've received a kicking and have got it badly wrong, but it would probably take an actual revolution for that to happen, a mere election will not suffice.Casino_Royale said:Grant Shapps falling over himself on BBC: 'people want us to re-double our efforts in doing what we're currently doing.'
Um... not quite, Grant. Have a think.
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BBC Share of vote - UKIP 29 Labour 24 Cons 23
SKY share of vote UKIP 33 Labour 25 Cons 26
who is right?0 -
Scotland delivering a very strong Tory result, relative to the rest of the country, in terms of Lab swing.0
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Is Helmer still 15/1 for Newark?0
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Don't feel bad - as no-one cares what MEPs do, whether Labour's vote share is more than the Tory share will get just as much play as if they can more MEPs.NickPalmer said:Labour miss out on a 2nd seat in E Mids by under 1%, grr!
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Wee Eck alert... Hows he going to spin it?0
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Retweeted by Britain Elects 2014
Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn 56s
That's the old man gone. We may not agree on everything, but I am hugely proud of @billnewtondunn's 30 years in the European Parliament.0 -
maaarsh said:
Losing LD MEP "We Lib Dems have agreed we fought our best ever campaign in the region"
Sad to see what happens to aged minds when paradigms shift.
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Salmond - do you think its humiliation now?
Wait until 18 September!
All about the 1745!!!!!!!!!!!!0 -
SNP... treading water !0
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When can we say with conviction that Ed Milliband isn't doing well enough?
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sky is always right. BBC favour labour.0
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Salmond on BBC now, Curtice hammering him, SNP doing no more than holding vote compared to Holyrood elections and UKIP could win a Scottish seat reducing distinction between Scotland and UK0
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So LAB 38, LD 29, GRN 14 and LAB 42, GRN 20, LD 18. That is quite far from the rest of the country.AndyJS said:
Check out my results page:Speedy said:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At91c3wX1Wu5dFRlQ250bWgzS2JQZDRxcjVfa0lOdmc&usp=drive_web#gid=0
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Any more word on the chocolate king, or willit be official tomorrow?0
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Michael Thrasher - UKIP beat Labour in Middlesbrough and Darlington. Get more than 50% in Boston and nearly 50% in South Holland.0
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Evening all, just popping in to see if there is any news (other than Ker...ching!!)0
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Salmond still trying to spin the England vs. Scotland line, even though UKIP are on course to win a seat. John Curtis calling him out.0
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No its "Major Misunderstanding":
http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/nechronical/oct2009/7/7/image-10-for-gallery-viz-comic-celebrates-30th-birthday-911779729.jpg
In the unlikely event of Roger Helmer becoming MP for Newark, I do not think the prominence will benefit the kippers in changing the image of the party away from the Golf club bore.nigel4england said:
I said that two weeks ago!Pulpstar said:Its Roger Melly
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Will Farage, like Septimius Severus, enjoy victory in Scotland*? Will it be any longer lasting?
*Technically, Scotland didn't exist. It was Picts then, before the Scotti Hibernians took over.0 -
Once again Maitless completely ignores the Conservative performance in Scotland. Is the decline over?0
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The WWC on the march...AndyJS said:Michael Thrasher - UKIP beat Labour in Middlesbrough and Darlington. Get more than 50% in Boston and nearly 50% in South Holland.
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LOL 18.09.20.14
Yes 34%
No 46%
* off Salmond! Let's stop all their benefits and take away their right to vote after GE 2015! Get back on the crofts!!!!0 -
Because it shows how much people don't like the EU. The party of out has surged to incredible highs, while the party of in has utterly, utterly collapsed. Hefty majorities backed Farage's euroscepticism over Clegg's europhilia in post-debate polls, showing how the europhile myth that you just need to stand up and speak for the EU and the plebs will all realise what's good for them. That has now been shown to be complete and utter bunk. We don't want European integration and we don't want miserly fiddling at the edges reforms. Brussels must give us back huge swathes of national sovereignty or we will take it for ourselves.kle4 said:
I still don't see how - they were already briefing around that stage that they expected to lose all their MEPs, or that is was possible at least. It didn't work as a tactic, but since they were on course for a wipeout or near wipeout before it happened, and that has now occured after it happened, it didn't actually have much impact on the LD outcome, even if it cost them some % points or raised UKIPs.Stuart_Dickson said:
That was a mistake. A big mistake.GIN1138 said:
Really does look like oblivion for the Lib-Dems tonight, and after Clegg took on Farage so publicly.marke09 said:Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft 1m
Seems Libdems may be sixth in Scotland...0 -
When he's standing on the doorstep of number 10 next May waving at the press.GIN1138 said:When can we say with conviction that Ed Milliband isn't doing well enough?
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All about salmond claiming the bias. C***0
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Poor Alex being screwed by the BBC apparently0
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Looooool Salmond pulls the biased bbc card.0
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UKIP take Harlow and Great Yarmouth0
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We've been seeing that in the sub-samples for months now. Not that sub-samples are any use. No no.maaarsh said:Scotland delivering a very strong Tory result, relative to the rest of the country, in terms of Lab swing.
The BT campaign has been a huge boost to the SCONS and a big damper on the SLABS.
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AIFE falling back a bit according to the BBC, now 1.52% and very close to the over/under line. I was tempted by under but didn't take it, looks like an exciting one for those who took either side.0
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Mr. Nabavi, not sure, but his winning margin according to exit polls is about 40 points.0
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I guess it's 50:50 luck between Con and Lab.
Lab lucky in NE
Con lucky in East Mids0 -
Wilders in 3rd in Netherlands though, 1 area populists not done so well0
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Oh dear Mr Salmond.0
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Salmond blaming the BBC for UKIP potentially gaining a seat in Scotland!0
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Oh Lord, Salmond trying to link the BBC to Star Trek. Cringeworthy.0
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Bit of a cat fight there0
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