Our polling station is never busy, but this morning there was a very steady flow (it's just over the road from me, so I can see it from an upstairs window).
Lots of cars parked at a station that always has a high proportion of people walking to it. My guess is that a lot of people who usually vote in the evening are doing it on the way to work this time.
I agree with the view that lots of people are likely to vote early today. Regardless of the weather, it will be dark anyway. Quite a lot of people usually walk to the polling station in the evening usually, but that has probably never been their plan for a December election. Best just get it out of the way in the morning when it is light.
What's your constituency
Barnsley East. Irrelevant for the overall result, but the motivation to vote early that I mention is probably relevant everywhere.
I've backed labour in Barnsley Central, hoping the collapse isn't err... Toooo large
Down here in Richmond Park voting was quiet at a quarter past eight. Arguably more of a marginal of Battersea (which is not so far away) so the difference is rather stark...
Very key for the LD's.
Even if the worst pollster for the LDs (Survation, 9%) is right they should take Richmond relatively comfortably. Even if they did slightly worse than in 2017 (say 7%) they should still win it as their voter distribution is likely to skew towards heavily remain seats. I'd be very, very surprised if they failed to take it (and that'd definitely mean less than 10 seats for them).
Given the bad polls they've had recently, I feel like seats such as Carshalton, Cheltenham and Westmorland should be the key ones to watch.
So on that 10pm Bong!! Exit poll. Is there any reason to think it will be far from the final result? Is this election harder to call on the exit poll than the previous few?
I’m intending to trust the exit poll tbh. The whole psychology is different than polling.
I have a bad feeling. Boris basically repeated all if May's mistakes apart from the shit manifesto and crap response to the terror attacks.
Yes and she got close to a majority. That’s why I think we’re probably going to see Boris just over the line, but no landslide.
Fear of Corbyn (winning) is greater this time and the message that only the Conservatives will deliver Brexit more credible. But Johnson is more disliked/derided.
Sounds a reasonable summary. People often mix a certain respect for Corbyn's steady courtesy with a dislike of what they perceive as extreme policies or simply unachievable ones.
I've been predicting a Tory majority of 15-30 throughout. In the light of current polls, I think 60 is more likely, but we'll see what we can do today.
Don’t forget his unsavoury friendships and relaxed attitude towards anti-semitism.
He doesn't have a "relaxed attitude to anti-semitism;" he is an anti-semite. He didn't tolerate somebody else in the party making the claim that Jews lack a sense of irony, for instance. Stop pretending.
As I'm sure you know, Corbyn didn't say anything about Jews in general lacking a sense of irony. He said it about a specific group of people who attended a particular meeting.
But no doubt as people think they're on to a good thing with this, they'll carry on lying about it.
Oh, it's just *some* jews, is it? Phew!
What I find a huge waste of time, is bothering to differentiate between mitigators and deniers of antisemitism, and antisemites. But thanks for the contribution.
I'm sure you aren't such a fool that you think criticising particular people is evidence of prejudice against a whole group.
But if you aren't a fool, what does that make you?
I went for spoiling my ballot in the end. If I was in a marginal I would have voted (tactically for whoever could beat Labour), but as nobody can do that here I went with my main view which is none of the above at the moment.
First time since the early 90's that I have not voted for someone at a general or local election.
I couldn't think of anything funny, so just did a line through the paper.
Very sorry to hear that. As we are all aware on here voting is a special event and imbued with tremendous meaning. It is awful that someone should find no other option than to spoil their ballot.
I think ballot spoiling is a very legitimate statement. Far better than those that opt not to vote. You made the effort to attend, but did not endorse any of them.
I have a bad feeling. Boris basically repeated all if May's mistakes apart from the shit manifesto and crap response to the terror attacks.
Yes and she got close to a majority. That’s why I think we’re probably going to see Boris just over the line, but no landslide.
Fear of Corbyn (winning) is greater this time and the message that only the Conservatives will deliver Brexit more credible. But Johnson is more disliked/derided.
Sounds a reasonable summary. People often mix a certain respect for Corbyn's steady courtesy with a dislike of what they perceive as extreme policies or simply unachievable ones.
I've been predicting a Tory majority of 15-30 throughout. In the light of current polls, I think 60 is more likely, but we'll see what we can do today.
Don’t forget his unsavoury friendships and relaxed attitude towards anti-semitism.
He doesn't have a "relaxed attitude to anti-semitism;" he is an anti-semite. He didn't tolerate somebody else in the party making the claim that Jews lack a sense of irony, for instance. Stop pretending.
As I'm sure you know, Corbyn didn't say anything about Jews in general lacking a sense of irony. He said it about a specific group of people who attended a particular meeting.
But no doubt as people think they're on to a good thing with this, they'll carry on lying about it.
Oh, it's just *some* jews, is it? Phew!
What I find a huge waste of time, is bothering to differentiate between mitigators and deniers of antisemitism, and antisemites. But thanks for the contribution.
It does bear pointing out that the recently unearthed antisemitic character that Boris Johnson seems to have penned in his novel seems a bit more specific than that.
Having said that, and without wanting to stifle, it would be good if we could have a bit less of a campaign day here today.
I have a bad feeling. Boris basically repeated all if May's mistakes apart from the shit manifesto and crap response to the terror attacks.
Yes and she got close to a majority. That’s why I think we’re probably going to see Boris just over the line, but no landslide.
Fear of Corbyn (winning) is greater this time and the message that only the Conservatives will deliver Brexit more credible. But Johnson is more disliked/derided.
Sounds a reasonable summary. People often mix a certain respect for Corbyn's steady courtesy with a dislike of what they perceive as extreme policies or simply unachievable ones.
I've been predicting a Tory majority of 15-30 throughout. In the light of current polls, I think 60 is more likely, but we'll see what we can do today.
Don’t forget his unsavoury friendships and relaxed attitude towards anti-semitism.
He doesn't have a "relaxed attitude to anti-semitism;" he is an anti-semite. He didn't tolerate somebody else in the party making the claim that Jews lack a sense of irony, for instance. Stop pretending.
As I'm sure you know, Corbyn didn't say anything about Jews in general lacking a sense of irony. He said it about a specific group of people who attended a particular meeting.
But no doubt as people think they're on to a good thing with this, they'll carry on lying about it.
Alternatively, Labour could just do something about the anti-semites in the party and stop this line of attack dead.
I have a Jewish friend who is ready to push the button on moving his family to Switzerland, if Labour gets anywhere near power. That he has had to plan this is a damning indictment on Corbyn's Labour. I can only hope that tonight Labour get soundly beaten - and the calculation at the top of the party that they gain net votes from their unrestricted anti-Israel stance gets knocked all out of whack.
Our polling station is never busy, but this morning there was a very steady flow (it's just over the road from me, so I can see it from an upstairs window).
Lots of cars parked at a station that always has a high proportion of people walking to it. My guess is that a lot of people who usually vote in the evening are doing it on the way to work this time.
I agree with the view that lots of people are likely to vote early today. Regardless of the weather, it will be dark anyway. Quite a lot of people usually walk to the polling station in the evening usually, but that has probably never been their plan for a December election. Best just get it out of the way in the morning when it is light.
What's your constituency
Barnsley East. Irrelevant for the overall result, but the motivation to vote early that I mention is probably relevant everywhere.
I have a bad feeling. Boris basically repeated all if May's mistakes apart from the shit manifesto and crap response to the terror attacks.
Yes and she got close to a majority. That’s why I think we’re probably going to see Boris just over the line, but no landslide.
Fear of Corbyn (winning) is greater this time and the message that only the Conservatives will deliver Brexit more credible. But Johnson is more disliked/derided.
Sounds a reasonable summary. People often mix a certain respect for Corbyn's steady courtesy with a dislike of what they perceive as extreme policies or simply unachievable ones.
I've been predicting a Tory majority of 15-30 throughout. In the light of current polls, I think 60 is more likely, but we'll see what we can do today.
Don’t forget his unsavoury friendships and relaxed attitude towards anti-semitism.
He doesn't have a "relaxed attitude to anti-semitism;" he is an anti-semite. He didn't tolerate somebody else in the party making the claim that Jews lack a sense of irony, for instance. Stop pretending.
As I'm sure you know, Corbyn didn't say anything about Jews in general lacking a sense of irony. He said it about a specific group of people who attended a particular meeting.
But no doubt as people think they're on to a good thing with this, they'll carry on lying about it.
Chris me old mucker, he is an anti-semitic fucker. You can but this but that all you like but he has presided over a party within which anti-semites feel emboldened.
Unless you give me some evidence that doesn't involve lying about what happened, I don't believe Corbyn is personally antisemitic at all.
Absolutely he has been very critical of the State of Israel. But that's not the same at all.
Just saying something over and over again doesn't make it true. And I have to ask why - if there were any genuine evidence - people would be lying in the first place.
I have a bad feeling. Boris basically repeated all if May's mistakes apart from the shit manifesto and crap response to the terror attacks.
Yes and she got close to a majority. That’s why I think we’re probably going to see Boris just over the line, but no landslide.
Fear of Corbyn (winning) is greater this time and the message that only the Conservatives will deliver Brexit more credible. But Johnson is more disliked/derided.
Sounds a reasonable summary. People often mix a certain respect for Corbyn's steady courtesy with a dislike of what they perceive as extreme policies or simply unachievable ones.
I've been predicting a Tory majority of 15-30 throughout. In the light of current polls, I think 60 is more likely, but we'll see what we can do today.
Don’t forget his unsavoury friendships and relaxed attitude towards anti-semitism.
He doesn't have a "relaxed attitude to anti-semitism;" he is an anti-semite. He didn't tolerate somebody else in the party making the claim that Jews lack a sense of irony, for instance. Stop pretending.
As I'm sure you know, Corbyn didn't say anything about Jews in general lacking a sense of irony. He said it about a specific group of people who attended a particular meeting.
But no doubt as people think they're on to a good thing with this, they'll carry on lying about it.
Oh, it's just *some* jews, is it? Phew!
What I find a huge waste of time, is bothering to differentiate between mitigators and deniers of antisemitism, and antisemites. But thanks for the contribution.
I'm sure you aren't such a fool that you think criticising particular people is evidence of prejudice against a whole group.
But if you aren't a fool, what does that make you?
The argument you are making is logically indistinguishable from "I can't be antisemitic, some of my best friends are jews." A claim which is usually and correctly ridiculed.
Area ? General sense and profile of the region is good enough, if people aren't wanting to be too specific.
Wycombe.
Thanks - I see that's Steve Baker's seat.
Yes, and I’m not happy about having to vote for him.
Why did you then? You have just endorsed his world view
Because I don’t want to endorse Corbyn’s.
Is the Labour and Lib Dem candidate a Corbynite? Steve Baker would not be a loss to the Conservative Party. In my opinion he and the other ERG headcases are not Conservatives.
In Morley & Outwood (my constituency, unless they changed the name again...) it seemed relatively busy. A few Labour thingummyjigs. Fewer Conservative posters etc. A Conservative teller (think that's the term) was outside the voting room.
I have a bad feeling. Boris basically repeated all if May's mistakes apart from the shit manifesto and crap response to the terror attacks.
Yes and she got close to a majority. That’s why I think we’re probably going to see Boris just over the line, but no landslide.
Fear of Corbyn (winning) is greater this time and the message that only the Conservatives will deliver Brexit more credible. But Johnson is more disliked/derided.
Sounds a reasonable summary. People often mix a certain respect for Corbyn's steady courtesy with a dislike of what they perceive as extreme policies or simply unachievable ones.
I've been predicting a Tory majority of 15-30 throughout. In the light of current polls, I think 60 is more likely, but we'll see what we can do today.
Don’t forget his unsavoury friendships and relaxed attitude towards anti-semitism.
He doesn't have a "relaxed attitude to anti-semitism;" he is an anti-semite. He didn't tolerate somebody else in the party making the claim that Jews lack a sense of irony, for instance. Stop pretending.
As I'm sure you know, Corbyn didn't say anything about Jews in general lacking a sense of irony. He said it about a specific group of people who attended a particular meeting.
But no doubt as people think they're on to a good thing with this, they'll carry on lying about it.
Oh, it's just *some* jews, is it? Phew!
What I find a huge waste of time, is bothering to differentiate between mitigators and deniers of antisemitism, and antisemites. But thanks for the contribution.
I'm sure you aren't such a fool that you think criticising particular people is evidence of prejudice against a whole group.
But if you aren't a fool, what does that make you?
The argument you are making is logically indistinguishable from "I can't be antisemitic, some of my best friends are jews." A claim which is usually and correctly ridiculed.
The damning part is that whilst Labour is riddled with anti-semitism, they are still a better option than what the Conservatives have become.
Very unusual to see queues reported at some polling stations .
Voting anecdote: Arrived at my polling station at 7.05 am, parking difficult because of number of people arrived, arriving and departing, by the time I left at 7.15 am- they were operating rather slowly and took ages to find me on the register despite my polling card - people were queuing to the door. I always vote at this time, and this was uniquely busy.
area ?
Small town far north of England.
It could be people trying to avoid the heavy rain later in the day.
There's heavy rain already here. Appalling weather.
I don't subscribe to the view that weather has much direct effect on turnout. But it is going to reduce the amount of campaigning that all but the most dedicated feel like doing on the doorstep.
It hasn't stopped us campaigning for the past six weeks, when it feels like it never stopped raining....
Ah, I remember May 1997. It was a terrible result. But what a glorious day! I was the first one in the polling station that morning - the sun had woken me early, and it was impossible to stay in bed on such a fine morning.
Positive-ish thought for the morning - however much you fear one result, there are people - good, clever and kind people - who fear the other one. So be nice.
May 1997 was fantastic! I remember cycling around Bristol on the Friday after the election and almost everyone was happy and smiling. The only people who weren't was a retired couple waiting for a bus looking decidedly grumpy, but that probably had more to do with Bristol's publict transport than the election.
Indeed it was. As you say, glorious morning and most people I worked with (in the NHS) had voted Labour.
Oh God I remember that day, in my last year at college. The sun was shining, everyone was smiling, politically it was the happiest day of my life.
A wonderful day for sure. Today won't be a patch on it, whatever your political persuasions, whatever the result.
Very unusual to see queues reported at some polling stations .
Voting anecdote: Arrived at my polling station at 7.05 am, parking difficult because of number of people arrived, arriving and departing, by the time I left at 7.15 am- they were operating rather slowly and took ages to find me on the register despite my polling card - people were queuing to the door. I always vote at this time, and this was uniquely busy.
Belatedly, perhaps this is the effect of work Christmas party season. Thursday is a popular day.
Very unusual to see queues reported at some polling stations .
Voting anecdote: Arrived at my polling station at 7.05 am, parking difficult because of number of people arrived, arriving and departing, by the time I left at 7.15 am- they were operating rather slowly and took ages to find me on the register despite my polling card - people were queuing to the door. I always vote at this time, and this was uniquely busy.
area ?
Small town far north of England.
It could be people trying to avoid the heavy rain later in the day.
There's heavy rain already here. Appalling weather.
I don't subscribe to the view that weather has much direct effect on turnout. But it is going to reduce the amount of campaigning that all but the most dedicated feel like doing on the doorstep.
It hasn't stopped us campaigning for the past six weeks, when it feels like it never stopped raining....
Ah, I remember May 1997. It was a terrible result. But what a glorious day! I was the first one in the polling station that morning - the sun had woken me early, and it was impossible to stay in bed on such a fine morning.
Positive-ish thought for the morning - however much you fear one result, there are people - good, clever and kind people - who fear the other one. So be nice.
May 1997 was fantastic! I remember cycling around Bristol on the Friday after the election and almost everyone was happy and smiling. The only people who weren't was a retired couple waiting for a bus looking decidedly grumpy, but that probably had more to do with Bristol's publict transport than the election.
I loved the late 90s. Young, fit and happy. I liked Blair but I do think he was lucky to govern during such a benign time, especially those first few years. I remember going on a fortnight's holiday to Spain that year with the boys for £280!
I'm now old, not so fit and happy.
You can't be old if you were young in the late 90's! Middle-aged possibly.
I have a bad feeling. Boris basically repeated all if May's mistakes apart from the shit manifesto and crap response to the terror attacks.
Yes and she got close to a majority. That’s why I think we’re probably going to see Boris just over the line, but no landslide.
Fear of Corbyn (winning) is greater this time and the message that only the Conservatives will deliver Brexit more credible. But Johnson is more disliked/derided.
Sounds a reasonable summary. People often mix a certain respect for Corbyn's steady courtesy with a dislike of what they perceive as extreme policies or simply unachievable ones.
I've been predicting a Tory majority of 15-30 throughout. In the light of current polls, I think 60 is more likely, but we'll see what we can do today.
Don’t forget his unsavoury friendships and relaxed attitude towards anti-semitism.
He doesn't have a "relaxed attitude to anti-semitism;" he is an anti-semite. He didn't tolerate somebody else in the party making the claim that Jews lack a sense of irony, for instance. Stop pretending.
As I'm sure you know, Corbyn didn't say anything about Jews in general lacking a sense of irony. He said it about a specific group of people who attended a particular meeting.
But no doubt as people think they're on to a good thing with this, they'll carry on lying about it.
Alternatively, Labour could just do something about the anti-semites in the party and stop this line of attack dead.
I have a Jewish friend who is ready to push the button on moving his family to Switzerland, if Labour gets anywhere near power. That he has had to plan this is a damning indictment on Corbyn's Labour. I can only hope that tonight Labour get soundly beaten - and the calculation at the top of the party that they gain net votes from their unrestricted anti-Israel stance gets knocked all out of whack.
Conversely, my Jewish wife who hasn't voted Labour since 2005, tells me she's just dropped in her vote for Corbyn on the way to work ( Camden / St Pancras ).
I went for spoiling my ballot in the end. If I was in a marginal I would have voted (tactically for whoever could beat Labour), but as nobody can do that here I went with my main view which is none of the above at the moment.
First time since the early 90's that I have not voted for someone at a general or local election.
I couldn't think of anything funny, so just did a line through the paper.
Very sorry to hear that. As we are all aware on here voting is a special event and imbued with tremendous meaning. It is awful that someone should find no other option than to spoil their ballot.
I think ballot spoiling is a very legitimate statement. Far better than those that opt not to vote. You made the effort to attend, but did not endorse any of them.
Yes, if we could have no one winning as a result. But someone has to win and hence we have (imo) no option but to take part.
I have a bad feeling. Boris basically repeated all if May's mistakes apart from the shit manifesto and crap response to the terror attacks.
Yes and she got close to a majority. That’s why I think we’re probably going to see Boris just over the line, but no landslide.
Fear of Corbyn (winning) is greater this time and the message that only the Conservatives will deliver Brexit more credible. But Johnson is more disliked/derided.
Sounds a reasonable summary. People often mix a certain respect for Corbyn's steady courtesy with a dislike of what they perceive as extreme policies or simply unachievable ones.
I've been predicting a Tory majority of 15-30 throughout. In the light of current polls, I think 60 is more likely, but we'll see what we can do today.
Don’t forget his unsavoury friendships and relaxed attitude towards anti-semitism.
He doesn't have a "relaxed attitude to anti-semitism;" he is an anti-semite. He didn't tolerate somebody else in the party making the claim that Jews lack a sense of irony, for instance. Stop pretending.
As I'm sure you know, Corbyn didn't say anything about Jews in general lacking a sense of irony. He said it about a specific group of people who attended a particular meeting.
But no doubt as people think they're on to a good thing with this, they'll carry on lying about it.
Alternatively, Labour could just do something about the anti-semites in the party and stop this line of attack dead.
Certainly you can criticise Labour and Corbyn himself for a failure to deal with anti-semitism. But that's not the same as Corbyn being an antisemite.
Any more than a failure to deal with prejudice against Muslims in the Conservative Party makes Boris Johnson - or Sajid Javid for that matter - an Islamophobe.
I have a bad feeling. Boris basically repeated all if May's mistakes apart from the shit manifesto and crap response to the terror attacks.
Yes and she got close to a majority. That’s why I think we’re probably going to see Boris just over the line, but no landslide.
Fear of Corbyn (winning) is greater this time and the message that only the Conservatives will deliver Brexit more credible. But Johnson is more disliked/derided.
Sounds a reasonable summary. People often mix a certain respect for Corbyn's steady courtesy with a dislike of what they perceive as extreme policies or simply unachievable ones.
I've been predicting a Tory majority of 15-30 throughout. In the light of current polls, I think 60 is more likely, but we'll see what we can do today.
Don’t forget his unsavoury friendships and relaxed attitude towards anti-semitism.
He doesn't have a "relaxed attitude to anti-semitism;" he is an anti-semite. He didn't tolerate somebody else in the party making the claim that Jews lack a sense of irony, for instance. Stop pretending.
As I'm sure you know, Corbyn didn't say anything about Jews in general lacking a sense of irony. He said it about a specific group of people who attended a particular meeting.
But no doubt as people think they're on to a good thing with this, they'll carry on lying about it.
Alternatively, Labour could just do something about the anti-semites in the party and stop this line of attack dead.
I have a Jewish friend who is ready to push the button on moving his family to Switzerland, if Labour gets anywhere near power. That he has had to plan this is a damning indictment on Corbyn's Labour. I can only hope that tonight Labour get soundly beaten - and the calculation at the top of the party that they gain net votes from their unrestricted anti-Israel stance gets knocked all out of whack.
Conversely, my Jewish wife who hasn't voted Labour since 2005, tells me she's just dropped in her vote for Corbyn on the way to work ( Camden ).
Yep. I’m Jewish and have never voted Labour at a GE until today.
I have a bad feeling. Boris basically repeated all if May's mistakes apart from the shit manifesto and crap response to the terror attacks.
Yes and she got close to a majority. That’s why I think we’re probably going to see Boris just over the line, but no landslide.
Fear of Corbyn (winning) is greater this time and the message that only the Conservatives will deliver Brexit more credible. But Johnson is more disliked/derided.
Sounds a reasonable summary. People often mix a certain respect for Corbyn's steady courtesy with a dislike of what they perceive as extreme policies or simply unachievable ones.
I've been predicting a Tory majority of 15-30 throughout. In the light of current polls, I think 60 is more likely, but we'll see what we can do today.
Don’t forget his unsavoury friendships and relaxed attitude towards anti-semitism.
He doesn't have a "relaxed attitude to anti-semitism;" he is an anti-semite. He didn't tolerate somebody else in the party making the claim that Jews lack a sense of irony, for instance. Stop pretending.
As I'm sure you know, Corbyn didn't say anything about Jews in general lacking a sense of irony. He said it about a specific group of people who attended a particular meeting.
But no doubt as people think they're on to a good thing with this, they'll carry on lying about it.
Oh, it's just *some* jews, is it? Phew!
What I find a huge waste of time, is bothering to differentiate between mitigators and deniers of antisemitism, and antisemites. But thanks for the contribution.
I'm sure you aren't such a fool that you think criticising particular people is evidence of prejudice against a whole group.
But if you aren't a fool, what does that make you?
The argument you are making is logically indistinguishable from "I can't be antisemitic, some of my best friends are jews." A claim which is usually and correctly ridiculed.
Wife voting Tory for first ever time, son voting same, i will strike through each name with great glee -- all irrelevant as in safe Tory Cheshire seat.
Our polling station is never busy, but this morning there was a very steady flow (it's just over the road from me, so I can see it from an upstairs window).
Lots of cars parked at a station that always has a high proportion of people walking to it. My guess is that a lot of people who usually vote in the evening are doing it on the way to work this time.
I agree with the view that lots of people are likely to vote early today. Regardless of the weather, it will be dark anyway. Quite a lot of people usually walk to the polling station in the evening usually, but that has probably never been their plan for a December election. Best just get it out of the way in the morning when it is light.
What's your constituency
Barnsley East. Irrelevant for the overall result, but the motivation to vote early that I mention is probably relevant everywhere.
I've backed labour in Barnsley Central, hoping the collapse isn't err... Toooo large
I honestly don't think either of the Barnsley constituencies will even be close.
I have a bad feeling. Boris basically repeated all if May's mistakes apart from the shit manifesto and crap response to the terror attacks.
Yes and she got close to a majority. That’s why I think we’re probably going to see Boris just over the line, but no landslide.
Fear of Corbyn (winning) is greater this time and the message that only the Conservatives will deliver Brexit more credible. But Johnson is more disliked/derided.
Sounds a reasonable summary. People often mix a certain respect for Corbyn's steady courtesy with a dislike of what they perceive as extreme policies or simply unachievable ones.
I've been predicting a Tory majority of 15-30 throughout. In the light of current polls, I think 60 is more likely, but we'll see what we can do today.
Don’t forget his unsavoury friendships and relaxed attitude towards anti-semitism.
He doesn't have a "relaxed attitude to anti-semitism;" he is an anti-semite. He didn't tolerate somebody else in the party making the claim that Jews lack a sense of irony, for instance. Stop pretending.
As I'm sure you know, Corbyn didn't say anything about Jews in general lacking a sense of irony. He said it about a specific group of people who attended a particular meeting.
But no doubt as people think they're on to a good thing with this, they'll carry on lying about it.
Chris me old mucker, he is an anti-semitic fucker. You can but this but that all you like but he has presided over a party within which anti-semites feel emboldened.
Unless you give me some evidence that doesn't involve lying about what happened, I don't believe Corbyn is personally antisemitic at all.
Absolutely he has been very critical of the State of Israel. But that's not the same at all.
Just saying something over and over again doesn't make it true. And I have to ask why - if there were any genuine evidence - people would be lying in the first place.
I am prepared to believe that he is not anti-semitic towards individual Jews.
But he is certainly anti-Israel (the Jewish state) and has associated with people who have celebrated the death of Jews. Some of his Party, meanwhile, have been none too careful about the distinction between Israel and the Jews and have realised that this is by and large without consequence.
So my words were "has presided over a party within which anti-semites feel emboldened" and they are true and in my book, together with those associations, that makes him an anti-semite.
Area ? General sense and profile of the region is good enough, if people aren't wanting to be too specific.
Wycombe.
Thanks - I see that's Steve Baker's seat.
Yes, and I’m not happy about having to vote for him.
Why did you then? You have just endorsed his world view
Because I don’t want to endorse Corbyn’s.
No other candidates?
Seriously, should be a pretty safe seat, shouldn't it - if Lab down much more than Cons nationally since 2017? But I'm assuming you're saying you voted tactically.
I have a bad feeling. Boris basically repeated all if May's mistakes apart from the shit manifesto and crap response to the terror attacks.
Yes and she got close to a majority. That’s why I think we’re probably going to see Boris just over the line, but no landslide.
Fear of Corbyn (winning) is greater this time and the message that only the Conservatives will deliver Brexit more credible. But Johnson is more disliked/derided.
Sounds a reasonable summary. People often mix a certain respect for Corbyn's steady courtesy with a dislike of what they perceive as extreme policies or simply unachievable ones.
I've been predicting a Tory majority of 15-30 throughout. In the light of current polls, I think 60 is more likely, but we'll see what we can do today.
Don’t forget his unsavoury friendships and relaxed attitude towards anti-semitism.
He doesn't have a "relaxed attitude to anti-semitism;" he is an anti-semite. He didn't tolerate somebody else in the party making the claim that Jews lack a sense of irony, for instance. Stop pretending.
As I'm sure you know, Corbyn didn't say anything about Jews in general lacking a sense of irony. He said it about a specific group of people who attended a particular meeting.
But no doubt as people think they're on to a good thing with this, they'll carry on lying about it.
Oh, it's just *some* jews, is it? Phew!
What I find a huge waste of time, is bothering to differentiate between mitigators and deniers of antisemitism, and antisemites. But thanks for the contribution.
I'm sure you aren't such a fool that you think criticising particular people is evidence of prejudice against a whole group.
But if you aren't a fool, what does that make you?
The argument you are making is logically indistinguishable from "I can't be antisemitic, some of my best friends are jews." A claim which is usually and correctly ridiculed.
The damning part is that whilst Labour is riddled with anti-semitism, they are still a better option than what the Conservatives have become.
Unless you give me some evidence that doesn't involve lying about what happened, I don't believe Corbyn is personally antisemitic at all.
Absolutely he has been very critical of the State of Israel. But that's not the same at all.
Agreed. I don't think Corbyn is personally antisemitic.
Corbyn has however failed to deal with antisemitism in the Labour party. That looks likely to be a costly error.
He is. The origin of the entwined anti-Israel, antisemitic position is quite simply Stalin, and it is not the case that Stalinism is something alien to Corbyn personally which he has to tolerate to keep the party together.
I have a bad feeling. Boris basically repeated all if May's mistakes apart from the shit manifesto and crap response to the terror attacks.
Yes and she got close to a majority. That’s why I think we’re probably going to see Boris just over the line, but no landslide.
Fear of Corbyn (winning) is greater this time and the message that only the Conservatives will deliver Brexit more credible. But Johnson is more disliked/derided.
Sounds a reasonable summary. People often mix a certain respect for Corbyn's steady courtesy with a dislike of what they perceive as extreme policies or simply unachievable ones.
I've been predicting a Tory majority of 15-30 throughout. In the light of current polls, I think 60 is more likely, but we'll see what we can do today.
Don’t forget his unsavoury friendships and relaxed attitude towards anti-semitism.
He doesn't have a "relaxed attitude to anti-semitism;" he is an anti-semite. He didn't tolerate somebody else in the party making the claim that Jews lack a sense of irony, for instance. Stop pretending.
As I'm sure you know, Corbyn didn't say anything about Jews in general lacking a sense of irony. He said it about a specific group of people who attended a particular meeting.
But no doubt as people think they're on to a good thing with this, they'll carry on lying about it.
Oh, it's just *some* jews, is it? Phew!
What I find a huge waste of time, is bothering to differentiate between mitigators and deniers of antisemitism, and antisemites. But thanks for the contribution.
I'm sure you aren't such a fool that you think criticising particular people is evidence of prejudice against a whole group.
But if you aren't a fool, what does that make you?
The argument you are making is logically indistinguishable from "I can't be antisemitic, some of my best friends are jews." A claim which is usually and correctly ridiculed.
The damning part is that whilst Labour is riddled with anti-semitism, they are still a better option than what the Conservatives have become.
Very unusual to see queues reported at some polling stations .
Voting anecdote: Arrived at my polling station at 7.05 am, parking difficult because of number of people arrived, arriving and departing, by the time I left at 7.15 am- they were operating rather slowly and took ages to find me on the register despite my polling card - people were queuing to the door. I always vote at this time, and this was uniquely busy.
Belatedly, perhaps this is the effect of work Christmas party season. Thursday is a popular day.
Indeed. Ours is tonight. Im too old for that sort of thing so doing the night shift. Will vote at teatime as the voting portacabin is by the chippy. Happy days.
Area ? General sense and profile of the region is good enough, if people aren't wanting to be too specific.
Wycombe.
Thanks - I see that's Steve Baker's seat.
Yes, and I’m not happy about having to vote for him.
Why did you then? You have just endorsed his world view
Because I don’t want to endorse Corbyn’s.
Is the Labour and Lib Dem candidate a Corbynite? Steve Baker would not be a loss to the Conservative Party. In my opinion he and the other ERG headcases are not Conservatives.
It’s a bit late to try to get me to change my mind.
By the way, something odd yesterday. Boris was suddenly banging the 'One Nation' drum. It jarred. Really jarred.
I mean, it's great. I'd love it if he were really a One Nation Conservative rather than a One Man Conservative but it jarred with their campaign - seemed off message.
It made me wonder if they think they haven't quite got the numbers ...
Unless you give me some evidence that doesn't involve lying about what happened, I don't believe Corbyn is personally antisemitic at all.
Absolutely he has been very critical of the State of Israel. But that's not the same at all.
Agreed. I don't think Corbyn is personally antisemitic.
Corbyn has however failed to deal with antisemitism in the Labour party. That looks likely to be a costly error.
He is. The origin of the entwined anti-Israel, antisemitic position is quite simply Stalin, and it is not the case that Stalinism is something alien to Corbyn personally which he has to tolerate to keep the party together.
You can convince us in a moment if you have any real evidence of personal anti-semitism on Corbyn's part.
Go on, please be my guest!
But if that lie you posted before is the best you can do, we can conclude you have no evidence.
Unless you give me some evidence that doesn't involve lying about what happened, I don't believe Corbyn is personally antisemitic at all.
Absolutely he has been very critical of the State of Israel. But that's not the same at all.
Agreed. I don't think Corbyn is personally antisemitic.
Corbyn has however failed to deal with antisemitism in the Labour party. That looks likely to be a costly error.
I think that is reason enough to suspect he MIGHT be anti-Semitic, which is bad enough. He has had plenty of time to prove that he is not and he has failed. Allowing racism to continue in your organisation is in practice worse then secretly harbouring racist views, though it is safe to conclude that the two things generally go together.
Unless you give me some evidence that doesn't involve lying about what happened, I don't believe Corbyn is personally antisemitic at all.
Absolutely he has been very critical of the State of Israel. But that's not the same at all.
Agreed. I don't think Corbyn is personally antisemitic.
Corbyn has however failed to deal with antisemitism in the Labour party. That looks likely to be a costly error.
He is. The origin of the entwined anti-Israel, antisemitic position is quite simply Stalin, and it is not the case that Stalinism is something alien to Corbyn personally which he has to tolerate to keep the party together.
You can convince us in a moment if you have any real evidence of personal anti-semitism on Corbyn's part.
Go on, please be my guest!
But if that lie you posted before is the best you can do, we can conclude you have no evidence.
There is literally no point having this debate you know.
1.57 on Betfair? What is this? I've taken a bit of that as it seems like a bargain but something very strange is happening to spook the markets that way. NOM is now at 2.96.
Very unusual to see queues reported at some polling stations .
Voting anecdote: Arrived at my polling station at 7.05 am, parking difficult because of number of people arrived, arriving and departing, by the time I left at 7.15 am- they were operating rather slowly and took ages to find me on the register despite my polling card - people were queuing to the door. I always vote at this time, and this was uniquely busy.
area ?
Small town far north of England.
It could be people trying to avoid the heavy rain later in the day.
There's heavy rain already here. Appalling weather.
I don't subscribe to the view that weather has much direct effect on turnout. But it is going to reduce the amount of campaigning that all but the most dedicated feel like doing on the doorstep.
It hasn't stopped us campaigning for the past six weeks, when it feels like it never stopped raining....
Ah, I remember May 1997. It was a terrible result. But what a glorious day! I was the first one in the polling station that morning - the sun had woken me early, and it was impossible to stay in bed on such a fine morning.
Positive-ish thought for the morning - however much you fear one result, there are people - good, clever and kind people - who fear the other one. So be nice.
May 1997 was fantastic! I remember cycling around Bristol on the Friday after the election and almost everyone was happy and smiling. The only people who weren't was a retired couple waiting for a bus looking decidedly grumpy, but that probably had more to do with Bristol's publict transport than the election.
I loved the late 90s. Young, fit and happy. I liked Blair but I do think he was lucky to govern during such a benign time, especially those first few years. I remember going on a fortnight's holiday to Spain that year with the boys for £280!
I'm now old, not so fit and happy.
You can't be old if you were young in the late 90's! Middle-aged possibly.
Well that was the most difficult vote I've ever cast. Stood staring at the ballot paper for quite a while, my 10 year old daughter silently judging me at my elbow.
Labour - led by economically insane racist lunatic Conservative - led by populist lying racist lunatic Lib Dem - incompetent and confused over what does and does not constitute a 'woman' Green - mental crypto-communist Brexit - mental crypto-fascist
Came very close to spoiling the paper for the first time ever, but my judgemental offspring meant I had to do something positive so I took the rather feeble option of the Lib Dems.
[Station was just as busy as 2017 (maybe a bit quieter), current Labour candidate is fairly anti-Corbyn with a mid-size majority]
In Morley & Outwood (my constituency, unless they changed the name again...) it seemed relatively busy. A few Labour thingummyjigs. Fewer Conservative posters etc. A Conservative teller (think that's the term) was outside the voting room.
Ed Balls losing that seat was a set back for sensible politics in this country. With him and George on ITV tonight we will see again what we are missing. Frustrating doesn't begin to describe it.
Area ? General sense and profile of the region is good enough, if people aren't wanting to be too specific.
Wycombe.
Thanks - I see that's Steve Baker's seat.
Yes, and I’m not happy about having to vote for him.
Why did you then? You have just endorsed his world view
Because I don’t want to endorse Corbyn’s.
Is the Labour and Lib Dem candidate a Corbynite? Steve Baker would not be a loss to the Conservative Party. In my opinion he and the other ERG headcases are not Conservatives.
It’s a bit late to try to get me to change my mind.
I'd expect a physics teacher to apply a bit more logic, just saying.
I have a bad feeling. Boris basically repeated all if May's mistakes apart from the shit manifesto and crap response to the terror attacks.
Yes and she got close to a majority. That’s why I think we’re probably going to see Boris just over the line, but no landslide.
Fear of Corbyn (winning) is greater this time and the message that only the Conservatives will deliver Brexit more credible. But Johnson is more disliked/derided.
Sounds a reasonable summary. People often mix a certain respect for Corbyn's steady courtesy with a dislike of what they perceive as extreme policies or simply unachievable ones.
I've been predicting a Tory majority of 15-30 throughout. In the light of current polls, I think 60 is more likely, but we'll see what we can do today.
Don’t forget his unsavoury friendships and relaxed attitude towards anti-semitism.
He doesn't have a "relaxed attitude to anti-semitism;" he is an anti-semite. He didn't tolerate somebody else in the party making the claim that Jews lack a sense of irony, for instance. Stop pretending.
As I'm sure you know, Corbyn didn't say anything about Jews in general lacking a sense of irony. He said it about a specific group of people who attended a particular meeting.
But no doubt as people think they're on to a good thing with this, they'll carry on lying about it.
Oh, it's just *some* jews, is it? Phew!
What I find a huge waste of time, is bothering to differentiate between mitigators and deniers of antisemitism, and antisemites. But thanks for the contribution.
I'm sure you aren't such a fool that you think criticising particular people is evidence of prejudice against a whole group.
But if you aren't a fool, what does that make you?
The argument you are making is logically indistinguishable from "I can't be antisemitic, some of my best friends are jews." A claim which is usually and correctly ridiculed.
The damning part is that whilst Labour is riddled with anti-semitism, they are still a better option than what the Conservatives have become.
Area ? General sense and profile of the region is good enough, if people aren't wanting to be too specific.
Wycombe.
Thanks - I see that's Steve Baker's seat.
Yes, and I’m not happy about having to vote for him.
Why did you then? You have just endorsed his world view
Because I don’t want to endorse Corbyn’s.
Is the Labour and Lib Dem candidate a Corbynite? Steve Baker would not be a loss to the Conservative Party. In my opinion he and the other ERG headcases are not Conservatives.
It’s a bit late to try to get me to change my mind.
indeed! Maybe next time, which is probably about a year away if my guess is anywhere near accurate.
The problem with antisemitism in the Labour Party is, if it really were just a few extremist on the fringe of the party, surely a quick and robust expulsion would solve the problem over the course of a few months. The fact that is has not been dealt with, and in many cases actually got worse over 4 years, means one of 3 things.
The party are totally inept and dealing with the issue and can't even sort some extremists out of the fringe.
The problem is actually way way worse than anyone in Labour wants to admit and despite real efforts to get it under control the cancer has spread too far.
Or they are turning a blind eye to it all, as those in power do not actually see it as a problem, which is probably the worst possible outcome.
1.57 on Betfair? What is this? I've taken a bit of that as it seems like a bargain but something very strange is happening to spook the markets that way. NOM is now at 2.96.
Yes and she got close to a majority. That’s why I think we’re probably going to see Boris just over the line, but no landslide.
Fear of Corbyn (winning) is greater this time and the message that only the Conservatives will deliver Brexit more credible. But Johnson is more disliked/derided.
Sounds a reasonable summary. People often mix a certain respect for Corbyn's steady courtesy with a dislike of what they perceive as extreme policies or simply unachievable ones.
I've been predicting a Tory majority of 15-30 throughout. In the light of current polls, I think 60 is more likely, but we'll see what we can do today.
Don’t forget his unsavoury friendships and relaxed attitude towards anti-semitism.
He doesn't have a "relaxed attitude to anti-semitism;" he is an anti-semite. He didn't tolerate somebody else in the party making the claim that Jews lack a sense of irony, for instance. Stop pretending.
As I'm sure you know, Corbyn didn't say anything about Jews in general lacking a sense of irony. He said it about a specific group of people who attended a particular meeting.
But no doubt as people think they're on to a good thing with this, they'll carry on lying about it.
Chris me old mucker, he is an anti-semitic fucker. You can but this but that all you like but he has presided over a party within which anti-semites feel emboldened.
Unless you give me some evidence that doesn't involve lying about what happened, I don't believe Corbyn is personally antisemitic at all.
Absolutely he has been very critical of the State of Israel. But that's not the same at all.
Just saying something over and over again doesn't make it true. And I have to ask why - if there were any genuine evidence - people would be lying in the first place.
I am prepared to believe that he is not anti-semitic towards individual Jews.
But he is certainly anti-Israel (the Jewish state) and has associated with people who have celebrated the death of Jews. Some of his Party, meanwhile, have been none too careful about the distinction between Israel and the Jews and have realised that this is by and large without consequence.
So my words were "has presided over a party within which anti-semites feel emboldened" and they are true and in my book, together with those associations, that makes him an anti-semite.
But you don't know of any evidence of personal anti-semitism on his part?
Because if anyone does, I would genuinely like to hear it.
1.57 on Betfair? What is this? I've taken a bit of that as it seems like a bargain but something very strange is happening to spook the markets that way. NOM is now at 2.96.
Unless you give me some evidence that doesn't involve lying about what happened, I don't believe Corbyn is personally antisemitic at all.
Absolutely he has been very critical of the State of Israel. But that's not the same at all.
Agreed. I don't think Corbyn is personally antisemitic.
Corbyn has however failed to deal with antisemitism in the Labour party. That looks likely to be a costly error.
He is. The origin of the entwined anti-Israel, antisemitic position is quite simply Stalin, and it is not the case that Stalinism is something alien to Corbyn personally which he has to tolerate to keep the party together.
You can convince us in a moment if you have any real evidence of personal anti-semitism on Corbyn's part.
Go on, please be my guest!
But if that lie you posted before is the best you can do, we can conclude you have no evidence.
OK he walks, talks and squawks like a duck, consorts by preference with other ducks and gives birth to ducklings, and goes well with orange sauce and watercress, but until you can produce any *real* evidence that he is a duck...
I have a bad feeling. Boris basically repeated all if May's mistakes apart from the shit manifesto and crap response to the terror attacks.
Yes and she got close to a majority. That’s why I think we’re probably going to see Boris just over the line, but no landslide.
Fear of Corbyn (winning) is greater this time and the message that only the Conservatives will deliver Brexit more credible. But Johnson is more disliked/derided.
Sounds a reasonable summary. People often mix a certain respect for Corbyn's steady courtesy with a dislike of what they perceive as extreme policies or simply unachievable ones.
I've been predicting a Tory majority of 15-30 throughout. In the light of current polls, I think 60 is more likely, but we'll see what we can do today.
Don’t forget his unsavoury friendships and relaxed attitude towards anti-semitism.
He doesn't have a "relaxed attitude to anti-semitism;" he is an anti-semite. He didn't tolerate somebody else in the party making the claim that Jews lack a sense of irony, for instance. Stop pretending.
As I'm sure you know, Corbyn didn't say anything about Jews in general lacking a sense of irony. He said it about a specific group of people who attended a particular meeting.
But no doubt as people think they're on to a good thing with this, they'll carry on lying about it.
Oh, it's just *some* jews, is it? Phew!
What I find a huge waste of time, is bothering to differentiate between mitigators and deniers of antisemitism, and antisemites. But thanks for the contribution.
I'm sure you aren't such a fool that you think criticising particular people is evidence of prejudice against a whole group.
But if you aren't a fool, what does that make you?
The argument you are making is logically indistinguishable from "I can't be antisemitic, some of my best friends are jews." A claim which is usually and correctly ridiculed.
The damning part is that whilst Labour is riddled with anti-semitism, they are still a better option than what the Conservatives have become.
What's this about terrible weather by the way? Just about to cross the Forth Rail Bridge and it looks even more spectacular than normal. Cold, clear and dry. A beautiful winter's morning.
Area ? General sense and profile of the region is good enough, if people aren't wanting to be too specific.
Wycombe.
Thanks - I see that's Steve Baker's seat.
Yes, and I’m not happy about having to vote for him.
Why did you then? You have just endorsed his world view
Because I don’t want to endorse Corbyn’s.
Is the Labour and Lib Dem candidate a Corbynite? Steve Baker would not be a loss to the Conservative Party. In my opinion he and the other ERG headcases are not Conservatives.
It’s a bit late to try to get me to change my mind.
I'd expect a physics teacher to apply a bit more logic, just saying.
I did. But if we are using different axioms then we get different results.
1.57 on Betfair? What is this? I've taken a bit of that as it seems like a bargain but something very strange is happening to spook the markets that way. NOM is now at 2.96.
Unless you give me some evidence that doesn't involve lying about what happened, I don't believe Corbyn is personally antisemitic at all.
Absolutely he has been very critical of the State of Israel. But that's not the same at all.
Agreed. I don't think Corbyn is personally antisemitic.
Corbyn has however failed to deal with antisemitism in the Labour party. That looks likely to be a costly error.
He is. The origin of the entwined anti-Israel, antisemitic position is quite simply Stalin, and it is not the case that Stalinism is something alien to Corbyn personally which he has to tolerate to keep the party together.
You can convince us in a moment if you have any real evidence of personal anti-semitism on Corbyn's part.
Go on, please be my guest!
But if that lie you posted before is the best you can do, we can conclude you have no evidence.
There is literally no point having this debate you know.
It's not really a debate. It's just some people making an assertion for which they can't produce any evidence.
In Morley & Outwood (my constituency, unless they changed the name again...) it seemed relatively busy. A few Labour thingummyjigs. Fewer Conservative posters etc. A Conservative teller (think that's the term) was outside the voting room.
Ed Balls losing that seat was a set back for sensible politics in this country. With him and George on ITV tonight we will see again what we are missing. Frustrating doesn't begin to describe it.
Indeed - no fan of GO personally but he's head & shoulders above the current cabinet imo.
Very unusual to see queues reported at some polling stations .
Voting anecdote: Arrived at my polling station at 7.05 am, parking difficult because of number of people arrived, arriving and departing, by the time I left at 7.15 am- they were operating rather slowly and took ages to find me on the register despite my polling card - people were queuing to the door. I always vote at this time, and this was uniquely busy.
Belatedly, perhaps this is the effect of work Christmas party season. Thursday is a popular day.
Yes, train up to London at 7.20am busier than normal today - I think it's Working From Homers going into the office as it's the Christmas party.
Either that or they've got insight into the GE result and are scrambling for the airports....
In Morley & Outwood (my constituency, unless they changed the name again...) it seemed relatively busy. A few Labour thingummyjigs. Fewer Conservative posters etc. A Conservative teller (think that's the term) was outside the voting room.
Ed Balls losing that seat was a set back for sensible politics in this country. With him and George on ITV tonight we will see again what we are missing. Frustrating doesn't begin to describe it.
Indeed - no fan of GO personally but he's head & shoulders above the current cabinet imo.
Obviously. The current cabinet and shadow cabinet are full of imbeciles.
1.57 on Betfair? What is this? I've taken a bit of that as it seems like a bargain but something very strange is happening to spook the markets that way. NOM is now at 2.96.
WillS
Must be to do with the last unpublished polls.
Pound dropping too
1.3192-0.0005 (-0.0379%) As of 10:02AM GMT. Market open.
In Morley & Outwood (my constituency, unless they changed the name again...) it seemed relatively busy. A few Labour thingummyjigs. Fewer Conservative posters etc. A Conservative teller (think that's the term) was outside the voting room.
Ed Balls losing that seat was a set back for sensible politics in this country. With him and George on ITV tonight we will see again what we are missing. Frustrating doesn't begin to describe it.
Indeed - no fan of GO personally but he's head & shoulders above the current cabinet imo.
GO's failings are why we have the current Cabinet.
This antisemitic issue was blown out of proportion and is just a stick to beat Corbyn and vilify him. Backed by the right wing press, who historically have been massive antisemites themselves Boris, through his own writing is a racist and an Islamophobe. Like a true right wing racist, he spared no one and then went on to attack single mums and the 20% poor or depraved sections of society, as he referred to them.
I think that is reason enough to suspect he MIGHT be anti-Semitic, which is bad enough. He has had plenty of time to prove that he is not and he has failed. Allowing racism to continue in your organisation is in practice worse then secretly harbouring racist views, though it is safe to conclude that the two things generally go together.
I think it is reason to suspect that Corby is not very competent or smart, actually.
Something that is corroborated by his grasp of economics.
So on that 10pm Bong!! Exit poll. Is there any reason to think it will be far from the final result? Is this election harder to call on the exit poll than the previous few?
It should be accurate because it is not really a poll. It is an early result extrapolated up to national levels - a projection rather than a survey.
In Morley & Outwood (my constituency, unless they changed the name again...) it seemed relatively busy. A few Labour thingummyjigs. Fewer Conservative posters etc. A Conservative teller (think that's the term) was outside the voting room.
Ed Balls losing that seat was a set back for sensible politics in this country. With him and George on ITV tonight we will see again what we are missing. Frustrating doesn't begin to describe it.
Indeed - no fan of GO personally but he's head & shoulders above the current cabinet imo.
GO's failings are why we have the current Cabinet.
GO's success in destroying the Lib Dems in 2015 is the reason we have the current Cabinet.
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Also Darlington is easy to get people to - you can drop them off in an area and leave them to it.
https://twitter.com/iameubo/status/1205058823112798210?s=20
Given the bad polls they've had recently, I feel like seats such as Carshalton, Cheltenham and Westmorland should be the key ones to watch.
But if you aren't a fool, what does that make you?
I have a Jewish friend who is ready to push the button on moving his family to Switzerland, if Labour gets anywhere near power. That he has had to plan this is a damning indictment on Corbyn's Labour. I can only hope that tonight Labour get soundly beaten - and the calculation at the top of the party that they gain net votes from their unrestricted anti-Israel stance gets knocked all out of whack.
Day before polling day in 2017 Cons were 2/9 for OM. Maybe it's a "technical" once bitten reaction?
Absolutely he has been very critical of the State of Israel. But that's not the same at all.
Just saying something over and over again doesn't make it true. And I have to ask why - if there were any genuine evidence - people would be lying in the first place.
https://twitter.com/KateLNER1/status/1205056689013215233?s=20
Grim.
https://www.ukrailtours.com/product/the-lner-hst-farewell/
I was born in 1977. Just after Elvis perished.
This cant be just profit taking surely
Any more than a failure to deal with prejudice against Muslims in the Conservative Party makes Boris Johnson - or Sajid Javid for that matter - an Islamophobe.
Corbyn has however failed to deal with antisemitism in the Labour party. That looks likely to be a costly error.
Although, to be fair, the bar chart itself looks to have a proper scale from zero and everything, so better than LDs in that respect ;-)
WTF is this.
1.53 surely now value
But he is certainly anti-Israel (the Jewish state) and has associated with people who have celebrated the death of Jews. Some of his Party, meanwhile, have been none too careful about the distinction between Israel and the Jews and have realised that this is by and large without consequence.
So my words were "has presided over a party within which anti-semites feel emboldened" and they are true and in my book, together with those associations, that makes him an anti-semite.
Seriously, should be a pretty safe seat, shouldn't it - if Lab down much more than Cons nationally since 2017? But I'm assuming you're saying you voted tactically.
Go on, please be my guest!
But if that lie you posted before is the best you can do, we can conclude you have no evidence.
WillS
Well that was the most difficult vote I've ever cast. Stood staring at the ballot paper for quite a while, my 10 year old daughter silently judging me at my elbow.
Labour - led by economically insane racist lunatic
Conservative - led by populist lying racist lunatic
Lib Dem - incompetent and confused over what does and does not constitute a 'woman'
Green - mental crypto-communist
Brexit - mental crypto-fascist
Came very close to spoiling the paper for the first time ever, but my judgemental offspring meant I had to do something positive so I took the rather feeble option of the Lib Dems.
[Station was just as busy as 2017 (maybe a bit quieter), current Labour candidate is fairly anti-Corbyn with a mid-size majority]
The party are totally inept and dealing with the issue and can't even sort some extremists out of the fringe.
The problem is actually way way worse than anyone in Labour wants to admit and despite real efforts to get it under control the cancer has spread too far.
Or they are turning a blind eye to it all, as those in power do not actually see it as a problem, which is probably the worst possible outcome.
Either way, absolutely shameful.
Because if anyone does, I would genuinely like to hear it.
It can't be based on high turnout in safe Lab seats in London because that isn't necessarily a good thing for Labour.
Con Maj on at 1.57
Either that or they've got insight into the GE result and are scrambling for the airports....
As of 10:02AM GMT. Market open.
Boris, through his own writing is a racist and an Islamophobe. Like a true right wing racist, he spared no one and then went on to attack single mums and the 20% poor or depraved sections of society, as he referred to them.
I think it is reason to suspect that Corby is not very competent or smart, actually.
Something that is corroborated by his grasp of economics.
Traditionally I have been (somewhat ironically) conservative and stuck with BBC but maybe this year I should switch? Any recommendations?